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    Question Re: Balearic Slinger Ammo (and range)

    Quote Originally Posted by Drewski View Post
    I suppose they have a little better armor, and can fight a teeny tiny bit in melee.....
    Qala'im Balearim? I don't think so. have you ever seen them? Nothing but cloth on. Only a small, wicker, 1-defence shield. The Rhodians are basically the only armoured slingers. A 2-defence shield and some rectangular scale/lamellar armour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Qala'im Balearim? I don't think so. have you ever seen them? Nothing but cloth on. Only a small, wicker, 1-defence shield. The Rhodians are basically the only armoured slingers. A 2-defence shield and some rectangular scale/lamellar armour.
    You're right, it was their defence skill I was thinking of, which is slightly better than other slingers (9 Def). Their secondary weapon is also AP, but again the "slingers in melee??" comment applies.

    I agree with your OP btw, the lack of ammo and average range just doesn't seem in any way right for a unit famed in its class.

    Ah, right...just read the Unit List script. here's why it was done:
    In the business of war they hurl much larger stones than do any other slingers, and with such force that the missile seems to have been shot, as it were, from a catapult
    Personally, I don't think just ONE extra attack over a hellenic slinger, less range, and 2/3rds the ammo (and twice the cost) is adequate compensation, its only one chevron equiv after all. Maybe 4 or even 5 attack (against 3 now) would better reflect this [see above quote].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drewski View Post
    You're right, it was their defence skill I was thinking of, which is slightly better than other slingers (9 Def). Their secondary weapon is also AP, but again the "slingers in melee??" comment applies.

    I agree with your OP btw, the lack of ammo and average range just doesn't seem in any way right for a unit famed in its class.

    Ah, right...just read the Unit List script. here's why it was done:

    Personally, I don't think just ONE extra attack over a hellenic slinger, less range, and 2/3rds the ammo (and twice the cost) is adequate compensation, its only one chevron equiv after all. Maybe 4 or even 5 attack (against 3 now) would better reflect this [see above quote].
    I agree, in view of their fame I think they should have a 4 attack; only one higher than lowly Sphendonetia? I don't think so.

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    Just edited The EDU to give them an extra 1 attack (=4), 5 more stones (=25), range unchanged.

    Sounds about right to me.....might be a reason to recruit them now...

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    well, I didn't notice that

    anyway they're still better than accensi though...

    but gold chevroned sphendonitai is my battle winning troops for Hellenic factions!

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    Default Re: Balearic Slinger Ammo (and range)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Qala'im Balearim? I don't think so. have you ever seen them? Nothing but cloth on. Only a small, wicker, 1-defence shield. The Rhodians are basically the only armoured slingers. A 2-defence shield and some rectangular scale/lamellar armour.
    Actually, the Rhodians have quilted armour, not metal. The Balearic Slingers are the only slingers with an AP melee weapon , which also has the highest lethality of all slinger melee weapons (0.11). Komatai Sphendonitai and Iaosatae have some type of short sword with 0.1 lethality, while all other slingers, even the Rhodians, have only pathetic knives. Additionally, the Qala'im Balearim have the highest morale and defence skill of all slingers. Their range is actually higher than that of most slingers. Only Eastern (185), Hellenic (185), and Rhodian (195) slingers have a higher range.




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    Default Re: Balearic Slinger Ammo (and range)

    Chevrons don't increase missile damage. They only increase accuracy, the unit card description is incorrect. We had a discussion earlier and proved it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    Chevrons don't increase missile damage. They only increase accuracy, the unit card description is incorrect. We had a discussion earlier and proved it.
    That isn't really the point, they will still cause more casualties either way, so the required effect will be achieved.

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    how can I edit the slingers or any other unit?

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    how can I edit the slingers or any other unit?
    Here, here I second that!

    How can we change the ammo amount and range?

    I have no modding experiance so a detail explanation would be much appriciated thanks :-)

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    If I remember correctly someone from the team explained this a long time ago. The people of the Balearic Isles were well known as slingers and often used ammo which was much larger than that used by others. Explaining the reduced range, higher attack and lower ammo count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master.Mind View Post
    how can I edit the slingers or any other unit?
    Quote Originally Posted by Conan View Post
    Here, here I second that!

    How can we change the ammo amount and range?

    I have no modding experiance so a detail explanation would be much appriciated thanks :-)
    Open the export_descr_unit.txt file found in the location EB\sp game edu backup. ---(MAKE A COPY)

    Search this file for Balearic_slinger

    Code:
    ;373
    type             iberian missile balearic slinger
    dictionary       iberian_missile_balearic_slinger     ; Balearic Slinger
    category         infantry
    class            missile
    voice_type       Medium_1
    soldier          iberian_missile_balearic_slinger, 30, 0, 0.85
    mount_effect     horse -2, chariot +4, elephant +1
    attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
    formation        2.8, 3.5, 3.4, 4.8, 5, square
    stat_health      1, 1
    stat_pri         4, 2, stone, 175, 25, missile, archery, blunt, none, 15 ,1
    stat_pri_attr    ap
    stat_sec         8, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11
    stat_sec_attr    ap
    stat_pri_armour  1, 9, 1, flesh
    stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
    stat_heat        1
    stat_ground      0, 0, 2, -2
    stat_mental      11, normal, untrained
    stat_charge_dist 30
    stat_fire_delay  0
    stat_food        60, 300
    stat_cost        1, 1118, 280, 63, 47, 1118
    ownership        spain, egypt, slave
    The above is my changed file. The stats I've highlighted are missile attack, range and ammo.

    Change these as you see fit. Save file and overwrite in its original location (you did make that copy in case you mess up)

    Fully compatible with all saved games.

    Done.

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    Default Re: Balearic Slinger Ammo (and range)

    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    Actually, the Rhodians have quilted armour, not metal. The Balearic Slingers are the only slingers with an AP melee weapon , which also has the highest lethality of all slinger melee weapons (0.11). Komatai Sphendonitai and Iaosatae have some type of short sword with 0.1 lethality, while all other slingers, even the Rhodians, have only pathetic knives. Additionally, the Qala'im Balearim have the highest morale and defence skill of all slingers. Their range is actually higher than that of most slingers. Only Eastern (185), Hellenic (185), and Rhodian (195) slingers have a higher range.
    All this does not justify to send the crapiest of the crapiest (meaning every type of slingers, even Rhodian) to melee... look... worgozez also use AP weapons! I mean, you can find AP melee troops everywhere on the map... there can be absolutl;y nothing that justify to go to rodhe, recruit those sligners and bring 'em to fight your war in britania... I mean, they're the best of sligners, that's true... but... they're still just SLIGNERS so any other troops are actually better!
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    Default Re: Balearic Slinger Ammo (and range)

    Quote Originally Posted by Duguntz View Post
    All this does not justify to send the crapiest of the crapiest (meaning every type of slingers, even Rhodian) to melee... look... worgozez also use AP weapons! I mean, you can find AP melee troops everywhere on the map... there can be absolutl;y nothing that justify to go to rodhe, recruit those sligners and bring 'em to fight your war in britania... I mean, they're the best of sligners, that's true... but... they're still just SLIGNERS so any other troops are actually better!
    That's true, all slingers suck in melee - at least when compared to other troops. However, there are times when you are desperate enough to have your slingers join the melee, after they're out of ammo. Or maybe they get charged by enemy cavalry, and have to fight on their own for a while before you can move in proper infantry. For these situations, the Balearic, Celtic, and Dacian slingers are decidedly better than other slingers. Rhodians, OTOH, are best for missile duels, especially against armoured cavalry.




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    never forget that Rhodians had sucky 0.04 lethality knive in melee
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