Evolution v Creationism

**Adrian II** · 05-22-2009, 14:51

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

[..] do I have to be an expert on stuff just to give an opinion?

That depends on the arguments you use. If you appeal to nature, the Bible or history in support of your opinion, you better make darn sure you cover those bases.

I remember I was totally delighted the first time my oldest son started talking to me. I mean talking as in: making sense of an issue by using his own brains, his own imagination, instead of preconceived notions handed to him by adults, including me.

I asked him what made Odysseus a hero, expecting the standerd kiddy answer that Odysseus was a winner. Instead, my son said: 'Because he was smart.' So I asked him what made Odysseus smart, expecting something along the line of: because he out-smarted his adversaries. Instead, my son said; 'Because he knew his own limits.'

Boink!

In his eleventh year of life, my son hit the fount of all wisdom. Just like that, between two bites of a sandwich. And thanks to a children's version of Homer, of course. It made him discover something about himself. That's what the good books are for, if they serve any useful purpose at all. Same goes for nature or history: in the end they are sources of self-knowledge for us, not of (natural) history or jurisprudence.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 05-25-2009, 16:34

Originally Posted by Adrian II

thanks to a children's version of Homer

A children's version? Tsk.

When I was eleven, being the refined intellectual that I am, I had already read Homer in its Latin original.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-25-2009, 16:39

Louis, I will assume that was a joke.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 05-25-2009, 16:52

When I was 11 all I was reading about was stories like how in a town in Mexico they dig a pit, but then people fall in so they need to fill it, and so they did another pit, etc.

Never mind your fancy continental education systems about philosophy and other such renaissance quirks, here you learn what you need to learn.

**Adrian II** · 05-25-2009, 19:01

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

A children's version? Tsk.

When I was eleven, being the refined intellectual that I am, I had already read Homer in its Latin original.

Yeah, yeah. My kids fart, chew gum and start bitching if Dad doesn't serve them fries on Friday, dontcha worry. Real fries by the way, not the little French poof sticks.