Late-Term Abortion Provider Gunned Down In Church

[ICantSpellDawg]

TuffStuff, can I have some of whatever you're smoking, please? Go ahead, find the place where I've advocated, condoned or praised the abortion of retarded children. Please, find a quote. I can wait all year for it, 'cause it doesn't exist. But you get to searching, by all means.

Every example I've raised in this thread has to do with non-viable fetuses, something I know a little more about than you do, kid. I've lived through a miscarriage, have you? I've attended the birth of my own children, have you? Hmm? Frankly, I'd say I've experienced a lot more reality around pregnancy and childbirth than you have, so maybe you should chill out with the wild, baseless and emotional accusations. You seem to believe that making flailing ad hominems gives you some sort of moral standing. This is not the case.

Here are two questions I would like you to address without ducking or dodging:

(1) Your wife is pregnant. Yay! You make it past the critical three-month mark. Yay! At six months your baby is diagnosed with a terminal illness that guarantees he will die immediately after birth. Expensive and painful operations might prolong his life by a week. What should you do?

(2) Your wife is three months pregnant when she is diagnosed with terminal cancer. If she undergoes chemo, the fetus will certainly die, but your wife will have a 60% chance of survival. If she foregoes chemo she may die before giving birth. What should she do?

The best I can say is that I swallowed poop in the womb, was being strangled by my umbilical cord and came out blue.

I remember you stating that you believe late term killing might be acceptable if they find a "serious problem". I took that to mean if there was brain damage, painful physical problems for the child, etc. Link 1, Link 2. Link 1 merely uses an atricle about killing children with downs etc as a rationale. Link 2 contains more of your personal confusion on the issue. I was under the impression that you were against late term abortions as birth control ONLY, but for them in the case of mental or physical defect. Am I incorrect in this assumption?

As for the 2 questions:

1) I would prolong his life by a week, because the week might turn into a month into a year into a "oh sorry about that, he's fine".

2) I would urge my wife to make up her own mind. The treatment would kill the child, but the chances that she would survive are legitimate. Either way I stand to lose everything, so the ball is in her court. In that instance it is a fair call. Luckily that is an absurd minority of cases. I have always said that the mothers life needs to be preserved if that is what the mother would prefer, I don't dodge that one. I know a number of mothers who would die for their child, but others who would kill their children if they could save $100 on their car insurance.


Now that I've answered, what would you say to those questions?

I apoligize if my post was more ad hominem and less an attack on your position. I believe you to be a decent and reasonable person from our interactions on these boards over the years. In muddy waters even the best people can do and say things that they regret, and it seems that the water is muddy for you here; you are gettign out on the wrong side of the pool (to complete an analogy).