A Problem of Shrinkage

[CountArach]

Guess again. You must be a proletariat by your views, huh?

Enlightened bourgeoisie.

[Xiahou]

Enlightened bourgeoisie.

So you're one of the one's exploiting me!
I own no property, no means of production, have never hired, fired or even supervised anyone. I sell my labor to those with means in return for wages- sounds like I'm a proletariat. Funny thing though... I don't feel exploited.

I'm sure it's because I'm not "enlightened"- maybe one day I'll have my eyes opened and buy into all that marxist drivel.

Oooh I finally get to agree with Xiahou.

I'd better go to bed. Clearly I'm beginning to hallucinate.

[CountArach]

So you're one of the one's exploiting me!
I own no property, no means of production, have never hired, fired or even supervised anyone. I sell my labor to those with means in return for wages- sounds like I'm a proletariat.

Nor do I, however by birth I am a part of the supervisory class (As that is what my dad does, much to my chagrin/distates). Personally though I fit into the proletarian paridigm, and sometimes I do feel exploited by the company I work for - the level of profits they earn is far too high for the wages I get paid. They also expect me to do things that I would normally have moral qualms about.

Funny thing though... I don't feel exploited.

I've heard several proletarians give speeches that disagree with you.

EDIT: But yeah, how about that GOP?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I'm sure it's because I'm not "enlightened"- maybe one day I'll have my eyes opened and buy into all that marxist drivel.

"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."

[Lemur]

-- delete me please, problems with connection caused double-post --

[Lemur]

If you're going to quote Saint Ronald, EMFM, at least give the man attribution.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

If you're going to quote Saint Ronald, EMFM, at least give the man attribution.

It was in quotation marks, I figured that most people would know who it was from or Google it if they didn't.

[Strike For The South]

Enlightened bourgeoisie.

When you use outdated terms to describe the class system I can't take you seriously.

I imagine as an enlightend bourgeoisie your name will be on the protected scrolls as the uncouth masses come down and kill the white men and rape the white women?

Will you get a nice clerical position?

[CountArach]

When you use outdated terms to describe the class system I can't take you seriously.

I find the Marxist terminology far more flexible and a system built around ownership vs wealth is IMO far more applicable to society. It's how most academics refer to the world, at least in history.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

If your dad's a filthy rich capitalist pigdog, why do you work some place you have "moral qualms" about?

[CountArach]

If your dad's a filthy rich capitalist pigdog, why do you work some place you have "moral qualms" about?

Because they aren't going to fund my hobbies, etc. What does it matter anyway?

[Xiahou]

Poll: Politically conservative number up

The number of Americans saying they are politically conservative rose slightly so far this year, aligning it to the 2004 level, Gallup Poll results indicate.

Forty percent of Americans polled described their political views as conservative, 35 percent as moderate and 21 percent as liberal, poll results released Monday indicated.

More evidence that the problem for Republicans isn't being too conservative, but rather voters don't believe (with good reason)that the GOP can apply it.

[Marshal Murat]

The respondents described their views as "conservative" rather than having a set of points which would determine their political positioning. This could mean that previous moderates, if they don't agree with a "liberal" president would then shift from moderate to a conservative position in a poll, but not by voting differently.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Because they aren't going to fund my hobbies, etc. What does it matter anyway?

You're not a very good Marxist if you're going to betray your principles so quickly and without cause...

[CountArach]

You're not a very good Marxist if you're going to betray your principles so quickly and without cause...

If I have no choice but to betray my principles in order to get by in our current society then I'm afraid I am forced to betray my principles. I'm opposed to working in retail for anti-consumerist reasons and management is now making me work to upsell products and sell inferior stuff that have higher profit margins. I oppose both of these but given that I haven't got the qualifications for anything else I haven't got a choice. I could not work, but then I wouldn't be able to get to University without living at my parent's expense... which I am also opposed to.

But anyway, that's straying way too far from the topic and I don't feel I have to answer questions about my morality to you.