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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    Guess again. You must be a proletariat by your views, huh?
    Enlightened bourgeoisie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Enlightened bourgeoisie.
    So you're one of the one's exploiting me!
    I own no property, no means of production, have never hired, fired or even supervised anyone. I sell my labor to those with means in return for wages- sounds like I'm a proletariat. Funny thing though... I don't feel exploited.

    I'm sure it's because I'm not "enlightened"- maybe one day I'll have my eyes opened and buy into all that marxist drivel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    So you're one of the one's exploiting me!
    I own no property, no means of production, have never hired, fired or even supervised anyone. I sell my labor to those with means in return for wages- sounds like I'm a proletariat.
    Nor do I, however by birth I am a part of the supervisory class (As that is what my dad does, much to my chagrin/distates). Personally though I fit into the proletarian paridigm, and sometimes I do feel exploited by the company I work for - the level of profits they earn is far too high for the wages I get paid. They also expect me to do things that I would normally have moral qualms about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    Funny thing though... I don't feel exploited.
    I've heard several proletarians give speeches that disagree with you.

    EDIT: But yeah, how about that GOP?
    Last edited by CountArach; 06-14-2009 at 08:31.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    I'm sure it's because I'm not "enlightened"- maybe one day I'll have my eyes opened and buy into all that marxist drivel.
    "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."


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    -- delete me please, problems with connection caused double-post --
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    If you're going to quote Saint Ronald, EMFM, at least give the man attribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    If you're going to quote Saint Ronald, EMFM, at least give the man attribution.
    It was in quotation marks, I figured that most people would know who it was from or Google it if they didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Enlightened bourgeoisie.
    When you use outdated terms to describe the class system I can't take you seriously.

    I imagine as an enlightend bourgeoisie your name will be on the protected scrolls as the uncouth masses come down and kill the white men and rape the white women?

    Will you get a nice clerical position?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    When you use outdated terms to describe the class system I can't take you seriously.
    I find the Marxist terminology far more flexible and a system built around ownership vs wealth is IMO far more applicable to society. It's how most academics refer to the world, at least in history.
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    If your dad's a filthy rich capitalist pigdog, why do you work some place you have "moral qualms" about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good View Post
    If your dad's a filthy rich capitalist pigdog, why do you work some place you have "moral qualms" about?
    Because they aren't going to fund my hobbies, etc. What does it matter anyway?
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    Poll: Politically conservative number up
    The number of Americans saying they are politically conservative rose slightly so far this year, aligning it to the 2004 level, Gallup Poll results indicate.

    Forty percent of Americans polled described their political views as conservative, 35 percent as moderate and 21 percent as liberal, poll results released Monday indicated.
    More evidence that the problem for Republicans isn't being too conservative, but rather voters don't believe (with good reason)that the GOP can apply it.
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    The respondents described their views as "conservative" rather than having a set of points which would determine their political positioning. This could mean that previous moderates, if they don't agree with a "liberal" president would then shift from moderate to a conservative position in a poll, but not by voting differently.
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    Have you just been dumped?

    I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    Because they aren't going to fund my hobbies, etc. What does it matter anyway?
    You're not a very good Marxist if you're going to betray your principles so quickly and without cause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good View Post
    You're not a very good Marxist if you're going to betray your principles so quickly and without cause...
    If I have no choice but to betray my principles in order to get by in our current society then I'm afraid I am forced to betray my principles. I'm opposed to working in retail for anti-consumerist reasons and management is now making me work to upsell products and sell inferior stuff that have higher profit margins. I oppose both of these but given that I haven't got the qualifications for anything else I haven't got a choice. I could not work, but then I wouldn't be able to get to University without living at my parent's expense... which I am also opposed to.

    But anyway, that's straying way too far from the topic and I don't feel I have to answer questions about my morality to you.
    Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
    Quote Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
    Nothing established by violence and maintained by force, nothing that degrades humanity and is based on contempt for human personality, can endure.

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