Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
It is a matter of principle and democracy. get rid of the un-democratic aspects of the system. Removing the impurities.

So now we are going from how to fix it to "the tossers on the top won't let it happen" ? These are two different arguments,


The impurities? Are you serious?

You clearly havn't been reading what I wrote, very carefully. What you proposed was an erroneous replacement of the head of state and some half-baked poorly thought out idea of federation. Your idea of fixing it is bollox and I believe connected to your belief that the Lisbon treaty will help solve fundamental issues. You are changeing the decoration and glueing on glitter. I believe that improvemnt is possible within the current parliamentary system, but the problem is that we have no leaders, only politicians. Republican politicians would change nothing.

Any ratification of the Lisbon treaty (without a referendum) will doom pro-EU campaigners to be associated with anti-democratic tendencies, which will be seen as inherent within the EU.

In Britain, you will be seen to be allies of a dead Labour govt. and its wish to push through unwanted legislation before it finally falls. The pro-EU camp in Britain, would become far more unpopular than before. Regardess of how right you are, you would ruin yourselves.

The best thing to do, is nothing, at least in terms of further EU intergration. The UK is a mess, no one will believe that joining together with countries which are also messy, will make things better. It won't matter whether that assertion is right or not, it will be made.