Asterix and the Gauls [Concluded]

[naut]

Cant you just stop wasting nights making intentionally doomed kill attempts and just use your numbers to investigate en-mass?

Investigations only show faction. So if everyone is investigating, then all we will get is their faction and if they were doing something. But most will be investigating, so it'll say they were doing something and scum can hide in amongst the other people.

I.E. useless.

Edit: Also a kill-protect scheme means it's harder for scum to dodge orders if properly organised.

[Chaotix]

Blah. I'm back, got lots of things to answer here. I'll start with the quick question by Iskander:

Yes, I was originally to be part of GH's Protection group on Quintus, but I learned that he had already recruited Psychonaut and CDF, so there was no need for me to be there. So I reassigned myself and Phog of War to take their places, and notified everyone who was involved of the switch. I wound up in the kill group on Beaver, which failed because split didn't act.

[Splitpersonality]

Split didn't act because split didn't know his co=conspirators :l


I'm not mafia you know, I can't kill someone by sending in just my name!

[Greyblades]

@ Iskander: Thats true I guess but it seems to be a bit more of a waste to have everyone tied up in pointless night kill attempts at least you get something out of investigations.

[Iskander 3.1]

Ok, guess I can't PM Ignoramus:

"Ignoramus has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

[naut]

@ Iskander: Thats true I guess but it seems to be a bit more of a waste to have everyone tied up in pointless night kill attempts at least you get something out of investigations.

The kill attempts are useful because if someone skips a protect attempt the result is public. With investigations people can just pretend they did and forge the resulting PMs, etc.

[Splitpersonality]

I was under the impression that investigations only yielded factional information, such as in rubicon. If it does that I believe we should REFRAIN from investigating, so we don't have a faction victory attempt again.

If they do more than that, then by all means do it.

[Chaotix]

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I hate my stupid wifi connection. I literally had the whole post laid out, ready to submit- Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage.

Now, I will go back and do it all over again....

[LittleGrizzly]

Notepad is your friend chaotix, i usually copy paste my long posts into there before i send them...

Investigating is useless, maybe later in the game if we have only one set of mafia to kill it could be useful, but atm its useless and there is not much proof that you have actually been investigating.

For example iksander and hugh choose to fake investigations to me whilst i was head of the townie group.

So protect kill orders against people with the lowest post count is the way to go!

[atheotes]

I was under the impression that investigations only yielded factional information, such as in rubicon. If it does that I believe we should REFRAIN from investigating, so we don't have a faction victory attempt again.

If they do more than that, then by all means do it.

investigation results just state the faction and if there was some activity (ex: there was some unusual activity)

p.s. i can quote a result i got from investigation... but dont want it to be used to forge results...even though the chances of something like that is very very low.

[Iskander 3.1]

For example iksander and hugh choose to fake investigations to me whilst i was head of the townie group.

(This was in Rubicon, mind you, not the current game!)

[LittleGrizzly]

Lol, yeah to avoid confusion iksander and johnhugh were doing that in a different game. Its just an example of how the mafia can use investigations to thier benefit.

[Chaotix]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
johnhughtom- have his results, these are the correct ones.
Death is yonder- have his results, but they are fake! He still must have acted, however...

This has to be more complicated than that, of course. John's results say there were two missing accomplices, while DiY's claim there was only one. Simply put, either Ignoramus made a mistake or one of you is lying.

Quintus Protect Group
Cultured Drizzt Fan- claims to have acted
Shinseikhaan- did not act
Psychonaut- confused and went with original group action
GeneralHankerchief- did not act

We still don't know whether this group acted or failed. Can I see CDF's results?

Phog Kill Group
atheotes- I have his orders. He acted.
Iskander 3.1- did not act, according to atheotes' results.
Marshal Murat- I have his orders. He acted.
White eyes:D- was confused, acted in an investigation group "with Yaropolk".

Can I have atheotes' results? That should clear things up here.

Phog Protect Group
A Very Super Market- accoreding to pever, did not act.
Quintus- same as AVSM
pevergreen- we have his results.
Beaver- dead, obviously
King Jan III Sobieski- probably wasn't even active

This group confuses me. I'm not sure if they really didn't act, or if pever only received that because nobody knew he was in the group. This needs more clarification by the members.

Beaver Kill Group
split- was confused, did not know his teammates
CountArach - cleared by my results, which said only one didn't show.
Chaotix- My results are in the thread a few pages back.
Caius- same as CountArach, also sent me his orders when he sent them to Igno.

I'm pretty sure I've got this group figured out.

Beaver Protect Group
El Diablo- didn't act, according to LG
Yaropolk- dead
Phog of War- dead
LittleGrizzly- we have his results
Cronos Impera- same as El Diablo.

The only thing we have to worry about here is LG lying...

And so, our grand FoS list goes something like this (Now in order of suspicion):

AVSM
Death is Yonder
El Diablo
Cronos Impera
Iskander
Greyblades
Beskar
Quintus
khaan
GeneralHankerchief
King Jan III



And here's a list of our confused individuals as well:
Psychonaut
white_eyes
splitpersonality

EDIT#1: I'm not going to keep re-posting this, just updating it. This edit contains details on Iskander and Greyblades.

EDIT#2: Quintus attack group supposedly solved. John is no longer on the FoS list.

EDIT#3: GH and khaan didn't act, so whatever the excuse I'm gonna have to put them on the list.

[atheotes]

Phog Kill Group
atheotes- I have his orders. He acted.
Iskander 3.1- will be cleared (or not) by results.
Marshal Murat- I have his orders. He acted.
White eyes:D- was confused, acted in an investigation group "with Yaropolk".

Can I have atheotes' results? That should clear things up here.

[/B]

Chaotix, I CCed you on my night action PM to Ignoramus. That alone will not prove i participated in the group action. I can send in another order after that and the newest one will stand. So we need the results from Marshal Murat as well.

i will forward my night actions results

[LittleGrizzly]

The one thing is, El Diablo didn't seem to even realise i was in his group. Are you sure you included my name in the pms to other members of the group...

If they didn't include my name that would be the reason no one showed up...

Edit: just read my pm and its pretty clear i am in the group and that pm was sent to ED...

[Greyblades]

Deja-vu all over again.
I didn't act because, like little grizzly did in the rubicon game, you PMed me out of the blue, without even asking if I wanted to help you or was doing something else, and told me that I was to kill quintus.

[LittleGrizzly]

Vote El Diablo

subject to change but based on what i know so far..

Edit

Get pevergreen and Greyblades to investigate me.... seen as they refuse to protect or kill...

I will give you my faction (which afaik noone else knows) and then you can compare the results they give you with this..

Its a good way to keep the uncooperative occupied and without an excuse...

Either that or threatening to kill them worked well for me last time..

[atheotes]

Ok, guess I can't PM Ignoramus:

"Ignoramus has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

once the host takes care of this and iskander gets an answer, we might be able to nail a mafia today

[Iskander 3.1]

"Iskander 3.1- did not act, according to atheotes' results."
Results of what?

[Chaotix]

I can keep pevergreen on defense, he'll agree to that.

As for Greyblades: I posted in the thread, offering to set up conflicting night groups for everyone, before the night phase even started. A short discussion followed, where several people approved, and nobody disapproved, so I decided to take the job.

Then, I sent the pms out, while there were still roughly 24 hours left in the phase due to Igno's extension, and paraphrased what I just said in every pm.

I didn't know that you didn't want to be in an action group, because you never said a word about it. You didn't mention anything in the thread, nor did you pm me back with questions or complaints.

So please don't complain to me now that I "pm'ed you out of the blue without asking you", because given the circumstances it's really not a valid excuse.

Edit to Iskander: His failed kill results. He cc'ed me orders, Murat cc'ed me orders, and we know that white_eyes didn't act. The orders reported two missing people. Therefore, you most probably have not acted

[Iskander 3.1]

I can keep pevergreen on defense, he'll agree to that.

Hmmm...if this is like Rubicon, if a mafia takes part in a group kill his power will push through the defense and result in a kill, regardless of who defends. FoS: Pever?

Edit to Chaotix I didn't cc orders, but keep in mind that just because someone sent in orders doesn't mean that they didn't change later. Here's a copy of what I sent to Ignoramus (copied from my outbox).

Sent to Ignoramus at 10:21 a.m. PST yesterday:
If it's not too late, I am going to Kill: Phog of War. This kill attempt will be done along with atheotes, Marshal Murat, and White_eyes:D

[Greyblades]

I didnt reply because I was kinda engrossed in a new game at the time all the time I spent on my computer not playing it was making the role PMs in cold war cataclysm.

[johnhughthom]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms
johnhughtom- have his results
Death is yonder- have his results

This has to be more complicated than that, of course. John's results say there were two missing accomplices, while DiY's claim there was only one. Simply put, either Ignoramus made a mistake or one of you is lying.

Looks clear to me Death is yonder is lying, can you let us know your actions and result Beskar.
Vote:Death is yonder

[atheotes]

Hmmm...if this is like Rubicon, if a mafia takes part in a group kill his power will push through the defense and result in a kill, regardless of who defends. FoS: Pever?

good point... i was just thinking about that

[LittleGrizzly]

Beskar could really help clear this one way or the other...

If he didn't get his action in DiY is lieing, if he did, johnhugh is lieing...

Beskar ?

[Chaotix]

Iskander: I am aware that order changes may have occurred. Because of this, I'd also like to see Murat's results before I advocate your lynch.

I have to say, I do think it's odd that Ignoramus didn't send you results, but it's definitely possible, too.

John: By the logic I've been using, it seems more likely to me that you are telling the truth. I'd still like to hear from Beskar before I make a decision on that, though.

[atheotes]

Sent to Ignoramus at 10:21 a.m. PST yesterday:
If it's not too late, I am going to Kill: Phog of War. This kill attempt will be done along with atheotes, Marshal Murat, and White_eyes:D

that means i sent in my actions about 5 hours after you did...

[johnhughthom]

Actually I'm hoping Beskar did get his orders in.

[atheotes]

John: By the logic I've been using, it seems more likely to me that you are telling the truth. I'd still like to hear from Beskar before I make a decision on that, though.

you can also ask them to forward the result PMs.

[Chaotix]

Actually I'm hoping Beskar did get his orders in.

Yes; if Beskar did not act, then the only possibility is that DiY was lying but still got orders in. That doesn't make too much sense.

If Beskar acted, then there are two possibilities:

Either DiY is telling the truth, but John acted even though he lied,

Or John is telling the truth, and it was only John and Beskar that acted.