Neda...

[LittleGrizzly]

TBH same here miotas, i can watch hundreds slughtered on TV without much feeling, logically i know its a waste and terrible for all her loved ones... emotionally the event is removed from me and me from it...

I always figured i was just a bit of a cold person... or maybe your a cold hearted person too miotas

That being said get me watching a character in a move or something and build the person up to me (add a few joints) then kill them in some tragic or heroic way and ill blubber like a little girl... only when im by myself... don't tell anyone okay ?

[Fragony]

You don't understand what's going on there, this could be just as important as the collapse of the wall.

[LittleGrizzly]

Its not that its not important, I think it is or hope it could be. I just don't really get an emotional attachment to people i don't know...

[Louis VI the Fat]

[Ice]

Iran's police chief, brigadier general Ahmadi-Moghaddam told the press on June 30 that the Iranian police and ministry of information filed an arrest warrant for Interpol to arrest Dr. Arash Hejazi, an eyewitness of Neda's death for poisoning the international atmosphere against the Iranian government and telling misinformation to the foreign media about Neda's death.[51] In fact, Dr. Hejazi's name is not in the Interpol's website's wanted list.[52][53]

Good for Interpol. Like I've previously said, I hope for young Iranians this is the start of a new beginning.

[Fragony]

muha

[Subotan]

[Fragony]

Small protests, not so small from what I've heard of but what can you be sure of in mullah-land. They should understand that there is no greater force than people desiring individual freedom, these bearded pricks can't win the die has been cast. If it isn't now it's soon, this is not going to end unlesss these bearded pricks kill everyone, good luck doing that.

[Hax]

This is bigger than the fall of the wall, if they succeed it will be the death of islamism and we can finally start treating eachother as human beings, the enlightment of islam is happening right now and it's happening in Teheran.

Fragony, at moments such as these, I truly admire and respect you , and I could not agree more.

[Subotan]

Small protests, not so small from what I've heard of but what can you be sure of in mullah-land. They should understand that there is no greater force than people desiring individual freedom, these bearded pricks can't win the die has been cast. If it isn't now it's soon, this is not going to end unlesss these bearded pricks kill everyone, good luck doing that.

I'm racking up a huge amount of combos here. This must be the longest chain of posts you've ever made where I've agreed with every single one of them.

Fragony, at moments such as these, I truly admire and respect you , and I could not agree more.

[Fragony]

Fragony, at moments such as these, I truly admire and respect you , and I could not agree more.

Thx Hax

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Thx Hax

I wouldn't go so far as to label it bigger than "The Wall," but it is very important and I find myself in agreement with Frags as well.

[PanzerJaeger]

Small protests, not so small from what I've heard of but what can you be sure of in mullah-land. They should understand that there is no greater force than people desiring individual freedom, these bearded pricks can't win the die has been cast. If it isn't now it's soon, this is not going to end unlesss these bearded pricks kill everyone, good luck doing that.

I wish I could agree, but I believe instinctual self preservation far outweighs the desire for freedom for the vast majority of people. Neda wasn't the symbol for a revolt, she was the best argument against it. Once the government started using live ammunition, once the people saw poor girls like her dying on the street, the green revolution fell apart. As long as the mullahs control the weapons, they will be able to maintain their grip on power. That's why many Americans are so adamant about our gun rights.

We need to be funneling weapons and support to anti-government forces. Hell, it's the least we can do to return the favor they've been doing for us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

[Fragony]

They can be arrested at any time, in prison they will be tortured and raped male or female, this is one sick regime. Yet these people are still fighting, I think I would have accepted for being opressed by now, I think I would be a coward. These people aren't scared of anything, and they have so much to lose. Who's going to stop them if such sadistic barbarism can't scare them of? The real islamic revolution is on it's way, this is going to end exactly where it started, and no Islamist will have any legitimacy when condemning us in the west anymore.

[Tuuvi]

We need to be funneling weapons and support to anti-government forces. Hell, it's the least we can do to return the favor they've been doing for us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

I'm not well versed in modern history but it seems to me that violent revolutions in our time just don't have the same success rate as they did in the 1700's.I think a Ghandi style revolution in Iran would be preferable and much more successful in the long run than a violent one.

[Fragony]

I'm not well versed in modern history but it seems to me that violent revolutions in our time just don't have the same success rate as they did in the 1700's.I think a Ghandi style revolution in Iran would be preferable and much more successful in the long run than a violent one.

Agreed, peaceful protest is the way to go. Let these bearded jerks act like the vicious dogs that they are raping and torturing is all they understand, more innocent people will have to be raped and tortured before this is over, c'est ca. Pretty frustrating but they are on their own, my initial sentiment is invade the and do harm to them personallybut that isn't very productive in the long run. There comes a point when even for the violent the violence becomes unbearable, they will have to keep killing their own, these people already lost. They know that they have a plane fueled and ready 24/7, it should be able to haul beard and take of to Syria in 20 minutes at all times.

[Subotan]

We need to be funneling weapons and support to anti-government forces. Hell, it's the least we can do to return the favor they've been doing for us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

The Iranian government derives a lot of it's legitimacy from anti-American nationalism, and the ability to stand up to a West plotting to hurt the Iranian people. Funneling weapons to the Green movement will neither advance the goals of the Green movement nor weaken the Iranian Government's propaganda.

[Husar]

and build the person up to me (add a few joints)

So you have more feelings for spider people?

[Prodigal]

Read through most of the posts, & no her life is not worth more than any others. Which does raise the valid question, why all the attention?

She is almost certainly being used symbolically due to her being young, female & dressed in a manner that a vast majority of the people on the planet can relate to.

This ticks a lot of boxes that people anywhere can empathise with; she's pretty, young, she could be your sister, your girlfriend, or just someone who didn't deserve to get shot in the neck for no reason. Sure this sort of stuff happens alot everyday, everywhere, but what is happening in Iran isn't your everyday run of the mill sheet.

If you haven't seen the vid of her looking toward the camera while dieing and bleeding out, I wouldn't recommend it. But if you're over 16 and cannot undertand what all the fuss is about, take a look on liveleak; it should still be there.

[LittleGrizzly]

So you have more feelings for spider people?

What I meant was build up an emotional attachment to the character and if im stoned...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Ahmadinejad asks Judiciary to solve Neda Agha-Soltan murder case
Tehran Times Political Desk

TEHRAN -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has asked Judiciary Chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi to thoroughly investigate the “suspicious” murder of Neda Agha-Soltan, who was shot dead in post-election unrest on June 20.

In a letter sent to the Judiciary chief on Monday, Ahmadinejad stated that foreign media outlets and the enemies of the country have used this tragic incident to tarnish the image of the Islamic Republic.

“Thus it is requested that… the Judiciary seriously investigate the murder of the deceased lady and identify the perpetrators of the criminal act and bring them to justice,” part of the letter read

Tehran Times, July 12 (yes).

So I guess Neda's death is an embarrasment to Ahmadinejad then?

I wonder who'll the investigation will name as perpetrator: some British diplomat, a Zionist, or a patsy Iranian law enforcer.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Video?

My insolent computer refuses to play video at the moment. I believe the link above leads to a new video of Neda, which surfaced this weekend. It gives the lie to several previous explanations by the Iranian government.

Iranian government reactions

On June 23, it was reported that government authorities had directed Agha-Soltan's family to remove the black mourning banners from outside their residence in order to prevent the home from becoming a place of pilgrimage.[46]

Iran's ambassador to Mexico, Mohammad Hassan Ghadiri, suggested in an interview that the CIA could have been involved in her death.[47] Ambassaor Ghadiri questioned how the shooting was video taped so effectively, asserting that the incident occurred away from other demonstrations. He also stated that using a woman would be more effective in accomplishing the goals which the CIA is purported to desire.[48]

Ambassador Ghadiri also said Agha-Soltan was shot in the head from behind and that "the bullet that was found in her head was not a bullet that you could find in Iran", contradicting the account of Doctor Hejazi, who said she was shot in the chest from in front, as there was no exit wound.[49] Hejazi is the man seen in the video placing his hands on Agha-Soltan's chest to staunch her bleeding, as described under Circumstances of death. It is noteworthy that the Basij millitant who shot Saeed Hajjarian did not use a gun normally used by Iranian arm forces either.

During his Friday sermon on June 26, the Supreme Leader's appointed speaker Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami said "evidence shows that [protesters] have done it themselves and have raised propaganda against the system."[50] Witnesses at the scene of the shooting said Agha-Soltan was shot by a member of the pro-government Basij militia.

Iran's police chief, brigadier general Ahmadi-Moghaddam told the press on June 30 that the Iranian police and ministry of information filed an arrest warrant for Interpol to arrest Dr. Arash Hejazi, an eyewitness of Neda's death for poisoning the international atmosphere against the Iranian government and telling misinformation to the foreign media about Neda's death.[51] In fact, Dr. Hejazi's name is not in the Interpol's website's wanted list.[52][53]

On July 4, the head of Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, Ezzatollah Zarghami told the press that the videos of Neda's death were all fake and are produced by BBC and CNN.

All these different explanations by different Iranian officials at least tell us two things:

Neda is a continuing embarrasment to the Iranian state.
The Iranian state and its branches are fluid, ridden with strife, competing against one another.

[InsaneApache]

Very sad.

[Subotan]

American Documentary about Neda to be shown in Iran on the eve of the Anniversary of the election

The Documentary can be seen HERE (Obviously, it's graphic in places

EDIT: But very, very, very good.)

[Lemur]

Yup, looks like HBO's giving this one away.

[Fragony]

So powerful, going to haunt me for while.

Ugilness vs Beauty 1 - 0

good find Subotan