Best 'small Successor'?

[satalexton]

O hai Satalexton, howz it going?

Assert our rightous freedom!
Lores of heroic deeds,
Long live our Basileus!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

High above on Olympus,
Almighty Zeus guides on!
Immortal beacons of Truth,
Lucid as the sea!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

March our brave Hetairos,
Arche of Truth and Hope.
King of Kings All Gaia,
East to West he reigns.
Dominion upon barbaroi,
Our Basileus pushes on!
Never will he be overthrown,
Invincible his Agema.
All Hail Makedonia!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

[Cute Wolf]

Definitely not Makedonia in the sense of War with Romani.... Epeiros kick Roman ass first and foremost!!! but Pyrrhos still claims the title of Basileus of Makedonia....

Well, just want to said all hail Makedonia!!! , but they wasn't the best "Small sucessors" since they are allready "big"

*) instant capture of Athenai, kicking Spartans, and start reclaimin Pella isn't a definition worth of "small sucessor"....

Makedonia is a "Medium Sucessor"


So the best "small sucessor" in my mind is Baktria!!! they had 1 prov to start, and get a lot of tough time evading the Grey death, while beating Pahlavans and Saka...

[mountaingoat]

play as saroumate

[Dutchhoplite]

Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??

[Reality=Chaos]

Baktria could possibly be termed as such.... The others are certainly not in the sense of Diadochoi... but they are in the sense that they are in competition state. The pahlava and the Hay (and maybe pontos) could be termed as succesors of the persian empire....

edit: hey dutchhoplite... are you actually dutch.... Cause I am....

[Dutchhoplite]

Jaja, ben Nederlands ;)

[Reality=Chaos]

zijn er veel anderen? BTW I find people chatting in their native language often annoying, so I'll keep to english (well not in PM's obviously)

[Maion Maroneios]

Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??

Baktria can be called a Successor state, I believe. They were a Seleucid Satrapy that rebelled from them, so I guess they encompass the title better. Pontos and Hayasdan certainly not. As for Epeiros, it had always been a free allied state to the Macedonians, right? So no "real" Successor State but certainly heavily influenced by them.

edit: hey dutchhoplite... are you actually dutch.... Cause I am....

En hij is niet de enige. Half-Nederlands hier.

Maion

[Reality=Chaos]

Baktria can be called a Successor state, I believe. They were a Seleucid Satrapy that rebelled from them, so I guess they encompass the title better. Pontos and Hayasdan certainly not. As for Epeiros, it had always been a free allied state to the Macedonians, right? So no "real" Successor State but certainly heavily influenced by them.


En hij is niet de enige. Half-Nederlands hier.

Maion

I never figured you as dutch Maion (or half dutch)

[Mikhail Mengsk]

Baktria: many fighting styles, like heavy cavalry, hammer and anvil, missile power, elephant steamrolling, light assault armies.... a lot of fun.

[Alexandros_III]

Go either Makedonia or Pontos. Except Pontos is really hard.

[Bucefalo]

I see too much love for the maks..but they are just a bunch of sissy greeks, so play Pontos instead, it is a lot more challenging and you have the best things from both the hellenes and persians!

[Hax]

Probably; Tellos Athenaios, Intrepid Adventurer and myself are also Dutch.

[Prussian to the Iron]

i think, if you are looking for a real challenge, then baktria or pontos are good. they have good, makedonian style armies, but are surrounded by AS.

for a challenge, but some variety, i like Epiros a lot. it is my favorite non-baktria faction. simply put, it has a mix of every culture in it, and as a result, has a lot of different types of troops and mercenaries to recrtuit.

[machinor]

I always found Makedonia rather dull. My favourite Successor-ish factions are Epeiros and Baktria. Baktria is potentially the most stylish RTS-faction ever! Can't wait for the EBII-Baktrians!

[Subotan]

Baktria/Epeiros.

[Imperator Invictus]

hey madbriton, makedonia had Alexander, epeiros had Pyrrhus, greeks had Achiles and others, seleukides had Seleucus and so one.
I say that BACTRIA will have YOU.

[ziegenpeter]

Ehm, is epeiros actually a successor state? I mean have they been conquered or submitted by alex?

[Maion Maroneios]

No, they weren't. I believe we have a problem of definition here. "Successor" or "Diadochi" is a term used to describe the states that were created after Alexander's death by his officers.

Maion

[Zeibek]

Baktria, Epeiros, Pontos, Hayasdan successor states??

Isn't Baktria considered one? I mean sure they weren't directly descended from Alexander's empire but were at some point a part of it unlike for example Epeiros, and were also Hellenistic unlike Pontos and Hayasdan.

[Hax]

Son comes home with his school results, all awesome grades. Dad tells: "Pff... Couldn't you do any better?"

Irony is when a situation unintentionally gets a humourous tone to it; a cardiologist having a heart-attack for example. A police station getting robbed, a firestation being ablaze, etc.

[option]

A reason that hasn't been mentioned yet for why Epeiros is the best: their elite heavy cavalry is insane. Picture the speed and stamina of Prodromoi combined with the charging ability and staying power of Hetairoi, and you'll have an idea of them. Fast enough to catch horse archers and skilled enough to stand up to legionnaries in melee. LOVE those guys.

[miotas]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Assert our rightous freedom!
Lores of heroic deeds,
Long live our Basileus!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

High above on Olympus,
Almighty Zeus guides on!
Immortal beacons of Truth,
Lucid as the sea!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

March our brave Hetairos,
Arche of Truth and Hope.
King of Kings All Gaia,
East to West he reigns.
Dominion upon barbaroi,
Our Basileus pushes on!
Never will he be overthrown,
Invincible his Agema.
All Hail Makedonia!

O Fatherland of Glory,
Vergina sun shines bright!
Sons of Alexandros,
All Hail Makedonia!!!

Χαλάζι Δυτικά Βασιλέα!

My favourite faction is Baktria. If in looking for a small successor you want a tricky starting position then I would go with Baktria. Makedonia already starts off in a fairly strong position, it is still threatened but not to the extent of Baktria which is constantly threatened by AS, phalav, and saka. Plus Baktria can get early access to those beautiful indus and indo-hellenic units.

[Maion Maroneios]

Χαλάζι Δυτικά Βασιλέα!

OK I'm mean, but I had to laugh about this. What you wrote means: "Hail (as in weather-terms) in the west, King!"

Maion

[antisocialmunky]

Now that I think about it. There was Thrace. It got dogpiled by all the other Successors though in hilarious fashion.

[Constantius III]

Now that I think about it. There was Thrace. It got dogpiled by all the other Successors though in hilarious fashion.

I'd be wary of labeling Lysimachos' kingdom as 'Thraikian'. When the center of his territory was there, he was a nobody and a weakling, and forced to share power (the arrangement is unclear) with Seuthes, a native Thraikian king; after Ipsos, when he catapulted into prominence (despite the engagement having largely been won by Seleukos' and Kassandros' troops), I believe he pulled far greater revenues and manpower from Asia Mikra.

[miotas]

OK I'm mean, but I had to laugh about this. What you wrote means: "Hail (as in weather-terms) in the west, King!"

Maion

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Wrong hail

You're going to get me in trouble Maion. It's getting rather late here and I'm sure I just woke up the whole house with my laughter.