Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

If so, I have already responded to this long ago (to which you put an animation of Michael Jackson anachronistically in his Smooth Criminal suit dancing to Beat It saying "Lynch Reenk").

Possible candidate for "excerpt of the year" award?

Anyway, I saw Kommodus reading the Capo sign-up thread in invisible mode and pre-emptively welcomed him back. I'm sure he'll grace us with his presence sooner or later.

Anyway, I again stress the importance of lynching Beskar now while our attention is focused on him. The natural flow of mafia games will give us different suspects in the next rounds, and there have been more instances of the town putting pressure on a mafioso early-game and then letting him slip by than I can remember.

-edit- Mafia VI, pever.

[Beskar]

No matter how many times you say to lynch me, you won't get your justice, because I didn't kill you. Accept it. All I can say is, there are many people saying I am innocent and defending me.

Why would they do that, if I was "Mafia scum" ? Put on your thinking hats people, seriously. Unless you are trying to say there are 7 Mafia in a 2 Mafia game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Two mafia, five mistaken people. Or one mafia with six mistaken people and the second mafioso simply hanging back.

Your argument is essentially that anytime anyone has more defenders than there are mafiosi in the game, they are innocent. Which, of course, is incorrect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar can't be guilty because he's my... err.... sweetie pie.

[Splitpersonality]

It could be that the people defending you are just misled, maybe this misleading was sparked by the other mafia member whose argument defended you?

Just because people are defending you doesn't mean you're innocent.

Look at me, no one is defending me but i'm clear as day innocent.


EDIT:

Oh okay ATPG, in that case we should lay off. Because that's adorable.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quit denying it Beskar, you know you loves me.

[Splitpersonality]

You can't run from your feelings, not on the internet at least.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you want our perfectly natural love to blossom, you'll vote for yourself, Split. I believe you're the only sane one left who still recognizes the power of love. I'll give you a cookie if you commit suicide so that Beskar and I can make beautiful babies together.

[Beskar]

I would love to feel complimented, that I am some actual Mafia Guru Game Lord, where that possibly exists, however, the truth is far more simple and "oh... just another townie".

Your argument is essentially that anytime anyone has more defenders than there are mafiosi in the game, they are innocent. Which, of course, is incorrect.

Or it could be, they know something you don't know, therefore it might be an idea to listen to them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Or it could be, they know something you don't know, therefore it might be an idea to listen to them.

If you're implying what I think you're implying, then you've just given the mafia a laundry list of names to go after.

[Beskar]

You think I am the Mafia, so that is a moot point coming from you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not necessarily.

Either as a townie you're putting the Detective's identity at risk so you can stay alive, or you're guilty and bluffing.

Either way, you need to be lynched.

[Beskar]

GeneralHankerchief thought I needed to be lynched so badly, he said it twice.

(Also, no, I don't need to be lynched. You just need to stop saying "Lynch: Beskar" every post. It has the same effect.)

[Chaotix]

No matter how many times you say to lynch me, you won't get your justice, because I didn't kill you. Accept it. All I can say is, there are many people saying I am innocent and defending me.

Why would they do that, if I was "Mafia scum" ? Put on your thinking hats people, seriously. Unless you are trying to say there are 7 Mafia in a 2 Mafia game.

Contrary to popular belief, just because somebody says you are innocent does not make it so. Obviously we cannot know for sure whether or not you are mafia or town, but as of now, you are the biggest suspect. Generally the biggest suspect tends to get lynched in mafia games.

[Reenk Roink]

-edit- Mafia VI, pever.

Wasn't it Mafia V? Mafia IV was the really cheap profile watching program. I played Mafia VI (last game of your original series for me) and all I remember is bitterly going after Sasaki for his playstyle but I was killed early. Now I'm trying somewhat to imitate him because he's gone again.

To the game: It's sad that Beskar will once again escape death and not only that, but like split will be lynched for some random reason when there are a host of better lynches. Do note two things:

1) GeneralHankerchief's vote might have been critical to this round
2) Beskar went to YLC by PM asking him to buy his vote (and the honest businessman kept his trade honest and informed us about it)

[TinCow]

1) GeneralHankerchief's vote might have been critical to this round

Now you're stretching it a bit too far. There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

[Reenk Roink]

Now you're stretching it a bit too far. There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

Prediction? Who cares about predictions, look at the results right now.

As soon as GH was killed, I pointed out that one reason might be for Beskar to take out someone who constantly voted for him (and made clear his suspicions and his intentions to continue with them) who also was not attracting much attention.

I'm sure you'll bring up the vacuous tool of WIFOM again... just remember, everything can be WIFOM...

[TinCow]

Prediction? Who cares about predictions, look at the results right now.

As soon as GH was killed, I pointed out that one reason might be for Beskar to take out someone who constantly voted for him (and made clear his suspicions and his intentions to continue with them) who also was not attracting much attention.

I'm sure you'll bring up the vacuous tool of WIFOM again... just remember, everything can be WIFOM...

Sorry, you're right. The fact that you pointed that out completely negates the possibility that GH was killed to frame Beskar. I stand corrected and will blindly follow your lead whenever something appears to be uncertain. Thank you for lifting the heavy burden which results from thinking for oneself.

[Jolt]

Unvote; Vote: Split

Because I like to matter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You saved my Beskar. You're awesome! Cookies and balloons for everyone!

[Reenk Roink]

Sorry, you're right. The fact that you pointed that out completely negates the possibility that GH was killed to frame Beskar. I stand corrected and will blindly follow your lead whenever something appears to be uncertain. Thank you for lifting the heavy burden which results from thinking for oneself.

Is there a point to these overbearingly sarcastic comments that really have no point as they essentially are false attributions of statements to me?

I'll ask you again, where did predicting the lynch would be tied come in to the fact that GH's vote would have well, made a huge difference that round?

Not to mention the fact that it's not hard to see how it wouldn't be close given the opinions of many voters that previous round anyway?

I think it's reasonable to add a little more value to a notion that Beskar killed GH to take off someone who would be reasonably expected to vote for him again and wasn't looking like lynchbait...

Are you really looking for such a great deal of certainty (or absolute certainty)? Good luck in your search if you are. Go ahead and put votes on the likes of FactionHeir and YLC in the meantime.

[TinCow]

Is there a point to these overbearingly sarcastic comments that really have no point as they essentially are false attributions of statements to me?

Two reasons. First, they provoke a response. Second, successfully ridiculing an opponent's arguments is an effective way to sway opinion.

I'll ask you again, where did predicting the lynch would be tied come in to the fact that GH's vote would have well, made a huge difference that round?

There was no way for a single vote to have made ANY difference in the vote unless it was tied. Surely I do not need to explain why this is true.

Not to mention the fact that it's not hard to see how it wouldn't be close given the opinions of many voters that previous round anyway?

Pardon, but there was no suspicion on split at all before GH was killed. The main focus was entirely on Beskar and ATPG, whom you believe to be in league with one another. Their very relationship would have made it highly unlikely that both of them would have been the options for the lynch. One was always going to take the lead as the standard bearer for the Lynch ATPG/Beskar Party and without a third suspect the odds of a tie were minimal.

I think it's reasonable to add a little more value to a notion that Beskar killed GH to take off someone who would be reasonably expected to vote for him again and wasn't looking like lynchbait...

Then we simply disagree. As I noted immediately after the night results came in, my first thought was that he was framed. At best, I give it 50/50 odds. I simply disagree that Beskar killing GH should be given greater weight for some amorphous reason you have yet to define.

Are you really looking for such a great deal of certainty (or absolute certainty)? Good luck in your search if you are. Go ahead and put votes on the likes of FactionHeir and YLC in the meantime.

No need, I will likely be placing it on you next round. You still haven't explained your change in play style. You are not remotely acting like yourself.

[Beskar]

1) GeneralHankerchief's vote might have been critical to this round

No it wouldn't, since your argument is that I killed him. even though it was obvious frame up.

[Splitpersonality]

There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

Does it count that as soon as I knew I was going to post, I knew I was going to be in a tie or lynched? :P



Really though everyone who says Beskar isn't a good lynch, i.e. everyone voting for me right now. Why am I a good lynch then?

People seem to be vehemently defending Beskar but I'm only being used to tie with him.