The Death of Respect

**HoreTore** · 07-27-2009, 16:54

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

A slap with a cane as legitimate punishment for doing something wrong versus hanging a teacher out a window or grabbing him by the throat because you don't like a decision.

I can't see a difference either.

So that means it's ok for my boss to hit me if I'm out of line, right?

And it's perfectly alright to slap my gf if she's out of line too?

**Vladimir** · 07-27-2009, 16:56

Originally Posted by HoreTore

So that means it's ok for my boss to hit me if I'm out of line, right?

And it's perfectly alright to slap my gf if she's out of line too?

I'd slap you AND your girlfriend when you two get out of line.

**HoreTore** · 07-27-2009, 17:00

Originally Posted by Vladimir

I'd slap you AND your girlfriend when you two get out of line.

Well the girlfriend thing was kinda hypothetical, I'm single now...

But I think I'll be getting out of line very soon, Vladimir.....

**Vladimir** · 07-27-2009, 17:16

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Well the girlfriend thing was kinda hypothetical, I'm single now...

But I think I'll be getting out of line very soon, Vladimir.....

*mumbles something about needing a ball-gag smiley*

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 07-27-2009, 17:02

Originally Posted by HoreTore

So that means it's ok for my boss to hit me if I'm out of line, right?

And it's perfectly alright to slap my gf if she's out of line too?

I would say there is a difference between disciplining a child and another adult. For example, if your boss is out of line, he can fire you. If your girlfriend is out of line, you can break up with her. If a child is somewhere he doesn't want to be, you can't send him home - so what are you going to do? Children, and indeed people in general, don't care about receiving punishment if it isn't effective. If there are effective ways of disciplining a student without violence, those are obviously to be preferred, but there are some cases where a cane may well be necessary.

That being said, this raises the important question of whether the teacher should have the right to cane the student, which I have mixed feelings on since discipline should be primarily the responsibility of the family and not the state.

**HoreTore** · 07-27-2009, 17:03

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

I would say there is a difference between disciplining a child and another adult. For example, if your boss is out of line, he can fire you. If your girlfriend is out of line, you can break up with her. If a child is somewhere he doesn't want to be, you can't send him home - so what are you going to do? Children, and indeed people in general, don't care about receiving punishment if it isn't effective. If there are effective ways of disciplining a student without violence, those are obviously to be preferred, but there are some cases where a cane may well be necessary.

That being said, this raises the important question of whether the teacher should have the right to cane the student, which I have mixed feelings on since discipline should be primarily the responsibility of the family and not the state.

Violence is violence.

I'll never compromise on that.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 07-27-2009, 17:14

I've never understood why physical violence is seen any differently from other ways of harming people.

**Meneldil** · 07-27-2009, 17:25

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Violence is violence.

I'll never compromise on that.

Are you one of those 'children shall not be spanked/slaped' hippies?

As for the topic, I doubt there's such a thing as a death of respect. There probably was more violence, street crimes, rapes so on going on in the early 20th than nowadays (at least in your average place in Europe). Thing is, petty crime gets much more media coverage than it used to back then. When gangs used to fight with guns in the poors neighbourhoods of Paris in 1905, nobody cared basically. Now, when two gangs fight in a suburb near Paris, it makes the headline in any decent newspaper. People claim this is the downfall of civilization, the end of our nation and what not.

Sure, happy slapping is disgusting, and I think people who commit such acts should be shot immediatly when caught. Sure, hearing about a 15 year old kid stabbing his teacher is revolting. But meh, is it something new? I seriously doubt it, though I may be wrong.
What I might agree with is that violence is much more tolerated nowadays, maybe because we all turned into cowards/hippies/people who don't give a damn.