Historically (in)accurate hoplites

[Mediolanicus]

We've got a guy on the twcenter forum who wants to speak the EB team about the hoplites.

I want to know what the EB team has to say about his sources and his claims.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=281532
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=281006

[option]

The reason hoplites don't have a sword is because they would always end up switching to it. Each unit switches to its secondary after being knocked down, which doesn't help either.

[Krusader]

Hasn't JMRC answered him?

He ignored that. And from what I saw earlier he has read one book and that is all the evidence he needs apparently. No use fighting a mule.

We have done a lot of testing and trial & error within EB regarding spear & sword units, but we unfortunately had to remove the swords to make the hoplites as "hoplitey" as they can be.

[satalexton]

I don't know. I have only read half a dozen posts, and the impression I got is as thus:

-He's got two 'sources', and one of them's a webpage.
-The sources he holds, apparently, are the holygrail to all answers.
-The EB team are infidels and heretics for doubting the holy truth.
-He is the prophet to the holy truth of how hoplites fought.
-He is the said prophet because he read the holygrail.

oh ye, his tone reminds me of a 12-15 year old that thinks he know it all cuz he's a little nerdier than his peers =P
I've been thru that stage, I know =]

[abou]

It is taking all my willpower not to destroy him and unleash a blackest night of horrors so painful that he cries blood tears. I just can't respond to a person like that politely.

[satalexton]

trollish =/

[Skullheadhq]

trollish =/

Look who says

[Mediolanicus]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt he was half serious (but too enthousiastic), but since he is now bragging about how he lent the book in question from "the adult non-fiction section" of his library...

[Skullheadhq]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt he was half serious (but too enthousiastic), but since he is now bragging about how he lent the book in question from "the adult non-fiction section" of his library...

Lol probably a 10 year old who thinks he's smarter then us..

[Watchman]

He's stupid and I hate him. He also whines. However more importantly his posting style is horrible enough I'm not going to even try dealing with it, which is the main reason I don't bother even trying to talk sense to him.

[Mediolanicus]

That said, this thread may now be left alone or be closed, because I wanted to know about hoplites, not bash the guy.

[antisocialmunky]

Don't waste your time, make EBII out a day earlier.

[Watchman]

...because I wanted to know about hoplites...

Had a big round shield, long pokey stick and sword for backup, fought in shieldwall, liked to charge at each other hard enough that chroniclers speak of said shields buckling and splitting in the collision IIRC. Level of armour varied as usual, quite heavily over time. May have had a thing for some kind of collective mantrain pushing match, which was totally Not Gay.

I think that about covers it.

[glouch]

what a sorry excuse for a supposedly 'educated' person (Pelopidas_Of_Thebes, i mean).

know-it-all attitude, and more than that, i-can't-be-wrong-you're-the-wrong-one attitude. douches like this would never dare act like this in the real world; they hide behind the anonymity of the internet to conceal what they truly are: attention-seeking, selfish dogs who think the world owes them everything.

these kinds of people should be locked up, just because they waste the time and effort of everyone around them (heck, we aren't even around him, technically, and he still wants to ruin our lives [or our break times at least]).

[EDIT]
god i wish we could meet guys like this in person, and then SHUT THEM UP the way dan henderson shut up michael bisping.
(btw, anyone here who watched UFC100? that was just too much for me. i almost sobbed because of so much joy. best knock out - no - best KTFO ever.)

[Skullheadhq]

what a sorry excuse for a supposedly 'educated' person (Pelopidas_Of_Thebes, i mean).

know-it-all attitude, and more than that, i-can't-be-wrong-you're-the-wrong-one attitude. douches like this would never dare act like this in the real world; they hide behind the anonymity of the internet to conceal what they truly are: attention-seeking, selfish dogs who think the world owes them everything.

these kinds of people should be locked up, just because they waste the time and effort of everyone around them (heck, we aren't even around him, technically, and he still wants to ruin our lives [or our break times at least]).

[EDIT]
god i wish we could meet guys like this in person, and then SHUT THEM UP the way dan henderson shut up michael bisping.
(btw, anyone here who watched UFC100? that was just too much for me. i almost sobbed because of so much joy. best knock out - no - best KTFO ever.)

*flameflameblablalockupstfublablabla*

[Ibrahim]

well, looking at his methodology, I am reminded of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkY...e=channel_page

Aronra has a good answer to any methodology but the right one (in science, and by extension, history)

[TruePraetorian]

I rarely post at the TWC (3 posts) but felt inclined to do so (and so I did). Disrespect of the hardworking EB team is illogical. If you don't like something about the mod, change it..you can make a minimod out of it and ask people to download it out of free will.

[strategos roma]

From I know, hoplites do carry swords, but they rarely used it. Anyway, if u include them, they'll turn into damm hypastists who switch to swords in 15 seconds. Urgh!

[Watchman]

All spearmen carried sidearms for backup (spear-shafts tended to break sooner or later) and close combat where the spear was useless. Doesn't mean there's much point in putting them in the game, not in the least given the aforementioned annoyances with the weapon switching.
Plus it'd mesh kinda poorly and inconsistently with other spearmen that also have for example precursor javelins (eg. the Thureophoroi) and blatantly obviously carry swords on their hips too...

[satalexton]

OT question, how does one throw javalins when one hand's clutching the bundle, and the other holding the spear?

[Watchman]

One holds the spear in the same hand as the rest of the javelin, methinks. (People can actually hold an awful lot of stuff in their shield hand with a little practice, from what I've read of firsthand experiments with it.)

[antisocialmunky]

It would probably be enough if you just made it so they didn't suffer from the -4 to defense from light spear since they do infact have a side arm. That by itself would make them better as a spearman. That -4 defense really makes hoplites melt vs anything with AP or high lethality or fast attack animation. You could also stick like a +1 to attack or defense or something to differentiate them from spearmen who don't have a secondary(and therefore would suffer in CQB).

[vartan]

I rarely post at the TWC (3 posts) but felt inclined to do so (and so I did). Disrespect of the hardworking EB team is illogical. If you don't like something about the mod, change it..you can make a minimod out of it and ask people to download it out of free will.

I rarely post there too! Is it just me or are majority of EB threads here on the Guild?

[Megas Methuselah]

He's a teenager. You know them; they think they know everything.

[Skullheadhq]

He's a teenager. You know them; they think they know everything.

Pre-teen even, probably

One more thing:

[a completely inoffensive name]

that guy is a troll, I know because I have seen many trolls in my day.
oh and In b4 the lock.

[Chris1959]

I wish I was that young again so I knew everything

[mountaingoat]

[Moros]

In before the lock posts are lame.

[satalexton]

i loled when i read that he's gloating about borrowing books from the adult non-fiction section of the library xD