Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way Tratorix is spying on the thread and not discussing.

[TinCow]

I very highly recommend that ATPG be lynched. He claimed Ichigo was 'guilty' through an investigation result he received. Ichigo was then lynched, but two kills still occurred. This is very strong evidence that ATPG lied and is mafioso. None of the evidence against anyone else is stronger than that at the moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you up to speed on the fact that I got that info from Beskar and he doesn't deny it?

[Tratorix]

By the way Tratorix is spying on the thread and not discussing.

No, Tratorix is reading the thread. I'm not going to post anything until I'm caught up on all the recent happenings. You sure your slinging enough mud around? I think there's at least one person you haven't accused this round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My apologies. I thought voting for players and giving reasons why was part of the game. I'll be more careful in the future.

[Tratorix]

My apologies. I thought voting for players and giving reasons why was part of the game. I'll be more careful in the future.

The fact that you're doing this now, when threatened with a lynch, is what bothers me. You weren't voting like this earlier in the game, it's a bit late to start throwing around random accusation votes. You're say you don't mind being lynched and then bringing up as many other targets as possible.

[White_eyes:D]

Well...I looked into ALL of Traovix's posts and unless he is a SK, I don't think he is guilty....is no one going to at least, LOOK into Sigurd and his 16 posts (which 13 have Beskar in it?)

He is a lurker if I ever saw one...

[pevergreen]

I would so be owning if I was mafia right now.

Vote: ATPG

[GeneralHankerchief]

I strongly urge a lynching of Beskar.

[White_eyes:D]

I am thinking Khaan, must really have a curse in his games, where everyone subconsciously wants town to lose

[Tratorix]

Oops, forgot to Vote: ATPG.

[ULC]

I am thinking Khaan, must really have a curse in his games, where everyone subconsciously wants town to lose

No, Khaan's essence filters into his games, and the town is so busy weaving their own conspiracies they forget about the mafia.

To much planning, to many shadows, none of it needed. ATPG, Beskar, WE - all need lynched, in whatever order. My only hand in this was to have my vote bought, and my vote could not be bought by a mafioso. Besides Beskar having scummy vibes about him the entire game, he was the only one to approach me through a PM to try and buy my vote - he feared openly asking.

[A Very Super Market]

Vote: Beskar

[TinCow]

Are you up to speed on the fact that I got that info from Beskar and he doesn't deny it?

Apologies, there were tons of posts when I loaded this up. Skimmed the first few and saw you saying the same stuff as before. I have now read the entire thing.

I very highly recommend that Beskar be lynched.

[Death is yonder]

GRR ALRIGHT ALREADY! IM MAFIA!

Also, gullible is written on the ceiling. http://xkcd.com/542/ proof.

I think what he's trying to say, is that the current line of discussion is not particularly very involving for everyone... just back and forth between ATPG and Beskar, and a big fat distraction.

I very highly recommend that ATPG be lynched. He claimed Ichigo was 'guilty' through an investigation result he received. Ichigo was then lynched, but two kills still occurred. This is very strong evidence that ATPG lied and is mafioso. None of the evidence against anyone else is stronger than that at the moment.

After some re-reading, I've noticed something very curious.

ATPG edited Post Number #6 of his.

I will be meat for the grinder. in.


JULY 30th, at 12:17 PM

Askthepizzaguy edited this post to leave you guys a message before I died and cannot reveal.

I am not the detective. Beskar claimed that he had investigated me very early on in the game, and at that point I told him that he had several rounds to make some progress before I busted him for fake revealing to me. I do not know if Beskar is guilty or innocent, but he was absolutely correct in that I did not have a night action. I was absolutely nothing in this game but a townie, and tossing my life in the way of his, and my credibility, was what I had to do as a soldier. But know this: I don't fully trust him. I do not want to have been played like a fiddle. His claim could just as easily have been a fake.

After revealing Ichigo as a guilty party, his usefulness as a detective is coming to a close. He may still be able to investigate and find the remaining mafia, but I cannot allow for the possibility that he completely used me for his own purposes as a mafioso. If he is not murdered by the mafia, YOU MUST LYNCH HIM. I would give him maybe a round of benefit of the doubt, but if he isn't murdered he must be lynched "to make sure" just as you wanted to lynch me "to make sure"

He claimed to have investigated me, AVSM, Reenk Roink, Ichigo the first time, and Ichigo the second time. I believe that Sigurd may have been the "leak" during night four, according to Beskar, but that assumes that we can trust him. Be wary of Sigurd but I can't really throw Sigurd under the bus based on the hunch of a guy I don't fully trust. Now you know everything that I have been told by Beskar.

I have no idea what is going on

Vote:Beskar??

[Death is yonder]

On second thought, Unvote: Beskar

I'll like to see what town thinks of the quoted edit from ATPG.



Tally as of This Post, for Khaan's benefit. Please try to keep a running tally people

ATPG: 4(Reenk, Beskar, pever, Tratorix)

Beskar: 3(Gibson, Whiteeyes, AVSM)

Tratorix: 1(ATPG)

[pevergreen]

Stawberry was a sweet, sweet target.

never again.

Unvote: ATPG, vote: Beskar

[GeneralHankerchief]

Woohoo! Finally!

/bored @ work

[Tratorix]

On second thought, Unvote: Beskar

I'll like to see what town thinks of the quoted edit from ATPG.



Tally as of This Post, for Khaan's benefit. Please try to keep a running tally people

ATPG: 4(Reenk, Beskar, pever, Tratorix)

Beskar: 3(Gibson, Whiteeyes, AVSM)

Tratorix: 1(ATPG)

Reenk haunts Beskar from beyond the grave!

[pevergreen]

Woohoo! Finally!

/bored @ work

As am I.


Feel like playing scissors paper rock in chat?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ho boy, I really needed that break from the game. I was seriously getting frustrated.

Long-ish post in spoiler.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I don't think Beskar is a good lynch for this round. Maybe next round.

I attempted, rather fruitlessly, to get you guys to look at some of these lurkers, Caius for example. However, he might be WOGbait. If he's a townie he needs to get back here and get to work.

I only ever really knew what my own alignment was: basic townie. Everything I've done all game was based on that. If I had a role, I'd never have risked my own neck for Beskar as I have. He's got a lot less gratitude (after the fact) when I absolutely had to make town aware of where my information came from, but were it not for me, he still would have died right around round 2 or 3 or whatever it was when I was asking people for favors to vote for split instead of him. Were it not for me he never would have "investigated" Ichigo. So my conscience is clean, this whole guilt trip thing isn't going to work, Beskar.

I made the decision to reveal to AVSM because I didn't want to be played. About this round, and rightfully so, townies (such as DJGingivitis) have pressured me privately to be fully honest with them "or it would be my head". I started off this round encouraging Beskar to reveal, because there were many problems with his story.

1. Most of the townies weren't aware of the whole truth, thus making this a very bad thing if he is scum.
2. Either myself or Beskar should have died last night. Especially if we had really nailed Ichigo.
3. Reenk was investigated, and he's dead. Ichigo was investigated twice, and he's dead. Chaotix was investigated last round, and lo and behold, he's dead. That last one was the kicker... we weren't making any progress creating a townie network because everyone in it ends up dead. That's either an unfortunate coincidence or Beskar did not want to start crossing off suspects.
4. 2 kills, still. I understand this is a Khaan game, but that's not points in his favor. Neither was the writeup which didn't really condemn Ichigo.
5. After some gentle prodding, Beskar refused to reveal and he kept coming up with reasons to delay it. That didn't give me any more confidence in what he was doing.

Even after all this, I was willing to be lynched this round or to lynch one of the lurkers, give him more time. That doesn't appear to be the popular choice. If Beskar is the detective, this is definitely the wrong move. However, if he's scum and he falsely accused Ichi, it is his time to die. After getting done arguing this and suggesting we put off his lynch and basically play "chicken" with the mafia over his life, he gets all mad and suggests I'm a scumbag. That was too much for me... if he is a pro-town he should have shown a little more restraint. It's his own investigation which says I wasn't killing anyone that round, and that's not a likely choice for pizzaguy as scum. I would have had to have prior knowledge that the investigations were activity-based. He can get mad at me all he wants for not fully trusting his judgment but trying to get me lynched does not add up.

The fact that you're doing this now, when threatened with a lynch, is what bothers me. You weren't voting like this earlier in the game, it's a bit late to start throwing around random accusation votes. You're say you don't mind being lynched and then bringing up as many other targets as possible.

Bah, lynch me. I really don't care. A bit "late" to throw around random accusation votes? Since when? I thought the game wasn't over yet. If I don't believe Beskar is scum, just... easily angered, then the choice of him or me this round doesn't appeal to me for obvious reasons. And some players, such as yourself, have gotten through this whole game with little or no suspicion or votes on yourself. I am offering additional options. I know this much, if Beskar is innocent then a nice random lynch might be just the ticket to find the other killer. If he's guilty, one more round of being alive makes no difference. I want you guys to seriously consider that, even if he is annoying me at the moment.

There's still almost a full day before the lynch goes through. I am hoping that after things get settled we can make a good, honest, reasonable decision that isn't based in emotion (Beskar) and not just OMGUS vote (Tratorix).

[Sigurd]

He claimed to have investigated me, AVSM, Reenk Roink, Ichigo the first time, and Ichigo the second time. I believe that Sigurd may have been the "leak" during night four, according to Beskar, but that assumes that we can trust him. Be wary of Sigurd but I can't really throw Sigurd under the bus based on the hunch of a guy I don't fully trust. Now you know everything that I have been told by Beskar.

This checks out with the information that was given to me around the time I changed my vote from Beskar.

If you notice, the Beskar post just before My: "It ain't over till the fat lady sings" is edited. Beskar confessed that he was the investigator (not the detective). I therefore changed my vote on the chance that we were about to lynch a pro-town player.
Obviously not many noticed this. That ATPG later played as a shield for Beskar was something I suggested in my first PM to Beskar.
I told him that he was either the detective or was playing a shield for ATPG.

Beskar got us Ichigo and the detective role has therefore played its course. As I said to Beskar in my PM: Either you tell the truth or you lie. It is time the town took over. Beskar has done his duty either way.

Now we lynch: Beskar and thank him for his work.

Tally

Beskar : 5 (AVSM, gibson, pever, Sigurd, WE:D)

ATPG : 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Tratorix: 1 (ATPG)

Not voting : 4 (Caius, DiY, DJG, Khazaar)

[White_eyes:D]

Could you change that to Vote:Beskar??

It feels like your trying to get off on a minor technicality by saying Lynch:Beskar

[Death is yonder]

Vote:Beskar?

[DJGingivitis]

vote:Tratorix because it means nothing but something at the same time.

[Khazaar]

Vote: Beskar

[Sigurd]

Could you change that to Vote:Beskar??

It feels like your trying to get off on a minor technicality by saying Lynch:Beskar

hehe... Sorry about that. I am getting old or somtin.

vote: Beskar

[Reenk Roink]

So if I am following this, Beskar revealed to Atpg and Atpg was his patsy, in the same way Atpg did to me. Now they've had a falling out. About time. Though the connection between the two was never hidden well, even after Atpg revealed to me, I could infer from his posts that his contact was Beskar.

Now then, I am disappointed in Atpg for not talking to someone else about Beskar. It could have been me or another of the "innocents" to cover his bases. He did an unnecessarily risky play and got bailed out thankfully. Had Beskar went off and killed Atpg, then none of this could have been revealed.

I like the White eyes case of Sigurd-Beskar. Sigurd's votes on Beskar all seem staged in the early round to create that separation, though he would not put a lynching vote on Beskar until now, when it's too late.

Lastly, if you look at the kills, they make even more sense that Beskar is doing them than Atpg. GH, YLC, myself, all were apt to vote against Beskar.

I would lynch:

Beskar
Sigurd

Then if the game isn't over reevaluate. Atpg should be a prime target at that stage. I think White eyes has cleared most of his guilt, by by this time, he should also be checked out.

By the way, my vote doesn't count. I am in a catch-22. If I don't vote I will be WoK'd but I also can't vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I had all of this revealed to AVSM in advance, because he was the last remaining "investigated".

So don't be too disappointed, I had a plan. Had I died and no one gotten my "six" clue, AVSM could have explained it. And I still would have been going *ahem*Beskar*ahem*

[Reenk Roink]

I had all of this revealed to AVSM in advance, because he was the last remaining "investigated".

So don't be too disappointed, I had a plan. Had I died and no one gotten my "six" clue, AVSM could have explained it. And I still would have been going *ahem*Beskar*ahem*

I see, good job in that case.

However, now I have a theory that goes against the Beskar is scum thing.

Knowing that this is probably how Atpg would react after there were again 2 kills after Ichigo was lynched, why wouldn't Beskar kill Atpg?

It would lend credibility to the story that Atpg was detective (so by implication Beskar was detective) and avoid Atpg being able to DIRECTLY spill the beans. Yes there would be AVSM to worry about, but given his play, I wouldn't really be inclined to believe him immediately, like I would Atpg who has direct contact.

Or why wouldn't the Mafia (if Beskar is Mafia) kill just one to avoid this situation in the first place.

It just seems like such a dropped ball to kill two people and not make Atpg one of them... Maybe I'm having Beskar think like me and do what I would do, but I don't really think these are hard to think of scenarios...