The brains of the BNP

[Tribesman]

OK maybe we shouldn't mock the afflicted, but it can be fun.
Londons elected brain dead racist has been inventing "facts".
He made a film blog about the terrible increasing knife crime that is gripping London.
Not only was he dumb enough to make claims about two boroughs where the crime was decreasing not increasing , but he also told the tragic tale of three terrible murders that hadn't actually happened.

But in his defence we must make allowances, because like he says he has leaning difficulties and it was noisy when he made the film

[Beskar]

You need to link source or sources, but it is pretty believable.

[Furunculus]

agreed with the above, its bad enough in a response, but in an OP its pointless.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.

The investigation ruled that Barnbrook's original claim that he knew what he was saying was untrue "seems at odds" with the principles of honesty and integrity. "If the public were aware that Mr Barnbrook was in fact putting out statements that he knew were false, we consider that his could reasonably be regarded as undermining public confidence in both members and the authorities as a whole in being able to fulfil their function."

Barnbrook now faces a full hearing after the respective committees at the GLA and the London borough considered the investigation's report two weeks ago.

That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else. Think of it as trying to find a Saxon hoard in a field.

[Furunculus]

cheers for the link.

back on topic:
the BNP are idiots, no change there then.

[Tribesman]

I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.

Indeed.

That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else.

The hearing arising from that was yesterday, which is why its in todays news.

[HoreTore]

Immigrant murders?

In Norway, it's a grand total of 75 murders committed by immigrants over the last 10 years, or 7,5 per year. Around 230 murders(I can't remember the exact number atm, it was in that area) were committed by ethnic Norwegians in the same period. 4 murders was committed by an unknown murderer. As 95% of all murders committed in Norway are solved, this is the one definite criminal statistic, the only one in which the results are absolute.

Oh, and "immigrants" includes everyone from outside Norway, not just the third world. So for those crying about "muslims comin' 'ere killin' our people", I'd guess it's been about 30-40 murders committed by muslims over the last 10 years. And I can recall at least a couple double murders, so I guess the total amount of muslim murderers would be around 30.

Yeah... That's a good enough reason to kick out the 200.000 muslims we have in this country.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Immigrant murders?

In Norway, it's a grand total of 75 murders committed by immigrants over the last 10 years, or 7,5 per year. Around 230 murders(I can't remember the exact number atm, it was in that area) were committed by ethnic Norwegians in the same period. 4 murders was committed by an unknown murderer. As 95% of all murders committed in Norway are solved, this is the one definite criminal statistic, the only one in which the results are absolute.

Oh, and "immigrants" includes everyone from outside Norway, not just the third world. So for those crying about "muslims comin' 'ere killin' our people", I'd guess it's been about 30-40 murders committed by muslims over the last 10 years. And I can recall at least a couple double murders, so I guess the total amount of muslim murderers would be around 30.

Yeah... That's a good enough reason to kick out the 200.000 muslims we have in this country.

So nearly a quarter of all muders in the last ten years were committed by immigrants; yet 94.4% of your population are ethnic Norse. Muslims make up 1.8% of your population, yet have committed 10% of the murders in the last ten years.

That's a pretty big problem you have there, proportionally speaking.

[HoreTore]

So nearly a quarter of all muders in the last ten years were committed by immigrants; yet 94.4% of your population are ethnic Norse. Muslims make up 1.8% of your population, yet have committed 10% of the murders in the last ten years.

That's a pretty big problem you have there, proportionally speaking.

Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.

It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.

[Ja'chyra]

[QUOTE=Banquo's Ghost;2340625]I might hazard a guess that Tribesman is referring to this amusement.

The investigation ruled that Barnbrook's original claim that he knew what he was saying was untrue "seems at odds" with the principles of honesty and integrity. "If the public were aware that Mr Barnbrook was in fact putting out statements that he knew were false, we consider that his could reasonably be regarded as undermining public confidence in both members and the authorities as a whole in being able to fulfil their function."

Barnbrook now faces a full hearing after the respective committees at the GLA and the London borough considered the investigation's report two weeks ago.

That was however, reported in May so it's possible there's something else. Think of it as trying to find a Saxon hoard in a field. [/Q]

I'd say this is true of all politicians not just the NNP, Weapons of Mass Destruction anyone?

[Meneldil]

Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.

It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.

You're the one bringing in statistics and then describing them as lies. Make up your mind.

Furthermore, I'm kind of surprised that you consider 75 murders to be irrelevant. That's potentially 75 families that lost a member, and god knows how much people who lost a friend. Aren't you typically in the 'every life counts' side of the political spectrum? I thought that was what being leftist is about.

[HoreTore]

You're the one bringing in statistics and then describing them as lies. Make up your mind.

The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways. But when you're dealing such low numbers as 75 out of 200.000, I think percentages are irrelevant.

Furthermore, I'm kind of surprised that you consider 75 murders to be irrelevant. That's potentially 75 families that lost a member, and god knows how much people who lost a friend. Aren't you typically in the 'every life counts' side of the political spectrum? I thought that was what being leftist is about.

Yes, but I still can't see why on earth those 75 deaths should affect the 199.925 non-murdering immigrants one bit.

[Husar]

Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.

It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders. Which is an irrelevant number.

Tell that to the families...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

he has leaning difficulties

[HoreTore]

Tell that to the families...

Why would I have any problems telling those families that even though someone was killed by an immigrant, I still think it's OK for the 200k other immigrants to stay in this country?

[Tribesman]

The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways.

The best way to deal with that statistic is to go longer term.
The murder rate is pretty consistant on a per capita basis for norway.
So take a pile of years when there was a very very low proportion of non-norwegians living in norway then compare that to a pile of years when there was a higher proportion of non-norwegians living in Norway.
When you come to the amazing discovery that the constant has remained unchanged with both variables you get the conclusion that a relatively stable certain number of people living in Norway will get murdered no matter who it is that is living in Norway or where they originally come from.

[Husar]

Why would I have any problems telling those families that even though someone was killed by an immigrant, I still think it's OK for the 200k other immigrants to stay in this country?

So first you say all statistics are lies and then you quote Norwegian statistics, mix them with british statistics, assume things that don't seem to be in the statistics(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this ) and then you imagine things I never said.

75 murders may be statistically(oh wait, you said all statistics are lies) irrelevant to you, I was just saying it's certainly not to the families of the people, nowhere did I say that this means you should throw out all immigrants, you might want to stop proactively putting words into other peoples' mouths.

If immigrants are much more likely to commit murder then surely there is something wrong with them, their community or their treatment, if it's so irrelevant then why does Norway have a police in the first place? And even if it's completely irrelevant in Norway, why do you assume from that that it is completely irrelevant in Britain as well? Is Norway an exact copy of Britain now?

[drone]

Bah! There are two kinds of lies; normal lies and statistics.

[pendant]
There are actually 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
[/pendant]

[HoreTore]

So first you say all statistics are lies and then you quote Norwegian statistics, mix them with british statistics, assume things that don't seem to be in the statistics(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this ) and then you imagine things I never said.

75 murders may be statistically(oh wait, you said all statistics are lies) irrelevant to you, I was just saying it's certainly not to the families of the people, nowhere did I say that this means you should throw out all immigrants, you might want to stop proactively putting words into other peoples' mouths.

If immigrants are much more likely to commit murder then surely there is something wrong with them, their community or their treatment, if it's so irrelevant then why does Norway have a police in the first place? And even if it's completely irrelevant in Norway, why do you assume from that that it is completely irrelevant in Britain as well? Is Norway an exact copy of Britain now?

Try reading Tribesey's excellent post

Oh, and:

(that every immigrant committed just one murder, you might of course want to cite statistics to prove this )

No I do not assume that, in fact I stated the opposite.... 75 is the number of people killed by an immigrant, not the number of immigrant murderers. As I said, the number of murderers would be a little lower, as I can recall a few double murders.

[Fragony]

It can be as high a percentage you want, we are still only talking about 75 murders.

That's rather cold, those are 75 murders I don't think that's nothing. Actually think that's quite a lot for a lowly populated country like Norway.

When you come to the amazing discovery that the constant has remained unchanged with both variables you get the conclusion that a relatively stable certain number of people living in Norway will get murdered no matter who it is that is living in Norway or where they originally come from.


point taken

[Husar]

Try reading Tribesey's excellent post

Yeah, well, he's talking about Norwegian statistics while this thread is about British statistics, of course they may be similar but it can't hurt to point that out, what you did was try to disprove the british statistics with Norwegian ones and...

No I do not assume that, in fact I stated the opposite.... 75 is the number of people killed by an immigrant, not the number of immigrant murderers. As I said, the number of murderers would be a little lower, as I can recall a few double murders.

Oh no you didn't:

The same statistic can lead to all kinds of different conclusions, when presented in different ways. But when you're dealing such low numbers as 75 out of 200.000, I think percentages are irrelevant.


Yes, but I still can't see why on earth those 75 deaths should affect the 199.925 non-murdering immigrants one bit.

200.000 immigrants -75 murders = 199.925 non-murdering immigrants = 75 murdering immigrants = one murder per immigrant murderer is your logic displayed here.

Now I'm going to take the above as a correction but this topic is about Britain and Britain is not Norway so they may have different problems under their CCTV.

[HoreTore]

Yeah, well, he's talking about Norwegian statistics while this thread is about British statistics, of course they may be similar but it can't hurt to point that out, what you did was try to disprove the british statistics with Norwegian ones and...



Oh no you didn't:



200.000 immigrants -75 murders = 199.925 non-murdering immigrants = 75 murdering immigrants = one murder per immigrant murderer is your logic displayed here.

Now I'm going to take the above as a correction but this topic is about Britain and Britain is not Norway so they may have different problems under their CCTV.

Oh give it a rest.

[Vladimir]

I think he's trying to say that the murder of Norwegians doesn't matter. Some sort of cosmic karma or cultural guilt perhaps.

[Hooahguy]

Oh give it a rest.

funny isnt it, to be in switched positions?

[ajaxfetish]

[pendant]
There are actually 3 kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
[/pendant]

Ahem. Perhaps you mean 'pedant'?

Ajax








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[/pedant]

[Husar]

Ahem. Perhaps you mean 'pedant'?

Ajax

I think a pendant is a similar thing/expression/object/situation. So that might fit, unless you are joking.

[HoreTore]

funny isnt it, to be in switched positions?

Hmm?

Husar is just having his grammar nazi period, nothing to see here

[Beskar]

You know, it could just be other factors.

[Husar]

Husar is just having his grammar nazi period, nothing to see here

Not here, but it's funny watching you, a bit like a fish out of the water...

[HoreTore]

Not here, but it's funny watching you, a bit like a fish out of the water...

When I feel like discussing the exact meaning of my own words instead of an issue, Husar, believe me, you're the first one I'll call