Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[White_eyes:D]

Yes, but putting thought into your vote is the far better option at this point when there are no clear l
You aren't scummy for bandwagoning people... you are scummy for doing so thoughtlessly. There is no case against pever nor one against Sigurd.

There is no case against anyone really....should we all vote: no lynch?

Your taking it too far....and it's beginning to make me ....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There is a strong case against joooray. With scientific evidence.

[White_eyes:D]

Gonna need a vig group for that.....

The "townie bandwagon" is just not working for this phase

[Iskander 3.1]

My head hurts from reading all of this.

Going back to the Lord Winter discussion, I can vouch for him as he set up a protection group that involved me.

Sasaki, your post does point to strong evidence against Jooray. Vote: Jooray

I'll be back during lunch break to follow up.

[Subotan]

There is a strong case against joooray. With scientific evidence.

Agreed. Can anyone go through this thread and get the rest of his posts, just to confirm it? (I have a tuba lesson in five minutes, so I can't )

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ok, time to add some information:

Yes, the case presented against Sigurd is rather weak. That was intentional, you see.

The case I have against Sigurd is quite strong, in fact. I received this from an investigator:

You investigate Sigurd and find that he is in fact a Maven crewman.

Now this person obviously isn't a watchstander, because they got this result on the second investigation. But they also gave me their first night's results:

Sigurd was protecting [redacted] last night.

That is different from a watchstander's results, which only say if the target was protecting, not who they were protecting. This investigator was able to find out who I ordered Sigurd to protect. Unless Sigurd went around telling random people who he protected night one, I find that to be good evidence supporting Sigurd's guilt. Now if Sigurd isn't a maven, then we know someone to lynch. But I think he will be.

So why not reveal this earlier? Well, I wanted to see who would defend Sigurd if there wasn't a clear-cut case against him.

And here we have Andres, trying to start a bandwagon on pevergreen. He also seems to think I should be disposed as captain if Sigurd isn't guilty. I don't think that will be a problem; but why should people mutiny if one of my suspicions turns out to be incorrect? It's especially strange now that he wants Sasaki, who killed LG with Andres and pushed for woad's lynch, to be captain. Not himself though, perhaps because people are sure to investigate the captain.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Very clever

I guess Sigurd pushed to get himself quartermaster without checking out the investigative roles very carefully.

Andres, hmm, I hate to turn on someone who's been supportive, but your frustration with the sigurd bandwagon is very much how mafia react when they or one of their partners is accused with poor evidence.

[Beskar]

I am going with the Captain. Unvote; Vote: Sigurd.

I was heard down the pipeline that you put Sigurd incharge of organising Protections, is this true, CR?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote:joooray, vote:Sigurd

CR, are you going to put aside your dislike of vigilante groups to put one out on Andres and perhaps joooray tonight?

[Beskar]

Being honest, a vig group on Andres sounds like a good idea, simply because, it would be a waste to have three nights of investigations on him, just to prove he is innocent or not.

[Subotan]

Uh oh.

All hail to the new captain. Argh.

How long will the night phase last?

Also it is true that [the officers] are fairly protected by the 50% chance of failure and even if they should take one for the team (die), they are replaced and the power of the role won't be lost for the town, right?!

Let me just say to everybody that killed LG last night and who is voting for w&f. You are making a big mistake.

So, I am pretty sure about w&f allegiance, but I'm not to sure about Andres. But since I don't want to make the same mistake that the people made who bandwaggoned on w&f, I will Vote: Sasaki, for just really hurting the town like that early on!! (Time will tell!!)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sure, for Andres I'll make an exception. My morning has been rushed, though, so I don't know the evidence against Joooray.

And Sigurd was not put in charge of organizing protections by me. He was supposed to protect people, since he was the quartermaster.

EDIT: I need volunteers to please contact Sasaki to help him with a vigilante target tonight.

CR

[DisgruntledGoat]

Well well. I like where the plan is going. So Unvote; Vote: Sigurd.

[Beskar]

Oh, and another note, anyone who is guilty of defending Andres will go to the gallows.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Sigurd

Well now, Capt'n, that's as fair a piece of reasonin' as I've ever seen. Either your the blackest of demons or you've got him dead to rights. I choose the latter.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sigurd's allegiance has been called in question. Being in an officer's position, I feel obliged to state my opinion.

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On Day minus 1, I wrote:

If the captin so wishes, I will be offerin my services as a Quartermaster.

Why do you offer your services, but aim for second rank?

Does your role prevent you from performing all the duties of first mate? Is the killing of suspects or the investigation of suspects incompatible with your role?

Why do you seek the lesser position that allows you to role block or protect? To protect your accomplices?


Have we found our first suspect...?

The role of First Mate allows one to kill or investigate.
The role of Quartermaster allows one to role-block or protect.
All powers of one's original role are suspended until removal from office.

For the English, it doesn't really make sense to be QM. Except in a later stage, when there are plenty hands.

The roles of the maven are rather more complicated:

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Maven saboteurs:

All Maven saboteurs, whether original or converted, may at any time privately vote to leave the ship with the treasure they have collected and, essentially, end the game for all involved. However, they must leave with a sufficient amount of treasure or otherwise they will be punished by their Captain in the final writeup. Further mechanics of this will be discussed upon request from Maven saboteurs.

Maven Crewman (3)
Unlike the British, the Maven crewmen have no distinction between each other and all three original crewmen share the same powers. Every night, one of the three (and only one, though this may alternate) may investigate one individual to find out how susceptible to treasure. The other two may team up and kill one person per night. The Maven crewmen cannot begin converting people over to their side until one of them is the active leader in treasure accumulated (will be made clear in a PM).

If one of them is the active leader in treasure accumulated, at night, any amount of members of the team may go around at night offering Presence sailors the opportunity to switch. If the sailor is question is susceptible to treasure, he will immediately switch and become a Maven Convert (below). Should he not be susceptible, the crewman who offered the opportunity to switch has a chance of being discovered (percentages vary from player to player, power roles have a better chance of discovering who offered the opportunity to switch to them). If only one original Maven crewman remains and there are no Maven Converts, the Maven Crewman may kill on his own.

No treasure will be subtracted from the Maven’s stash upon successful conversion – it is the promise of further treasure that lures the Presence’s crewman in.

It is in the interest of the Maven to try to get an officer's position. However, only the officer role of QM is.
A FM must show a kill or an investigation. There is no way to hide. A QM, by contrast, can easily feign a protection. So long as his protectee is not attacked, a maven can hide indefinately as a QM.

So a Maven would seek the position of QM.

In light of this, with some reservation and regret, I
Vote: Sigurd

Am I sure Sigurd is Maven? No.
But the suspicion was there. Then the investigation result showed Sigurd as Maven.

What bugs me, is that Sigurd would know he'd be investigated. Tomorrow will most likely yield definitive results on all three officers. Including a second opinion on Sigurd.
Also - why should he put himself in the spotlight? Then again, the goal of the Maven is to gain the lead in gold, early on. They can not recruit before this. Maybe it was a bold gamble.


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A1 Unit

[Louis VI the Fat]

Joooray is accounted for last night.

None of the circumstantial evidence warrant a vig kill on Jooray. I think we have seen quite enough wanton kills.

Gonna need a vig group for that.....

I believe you were caught killing last night.

Were you part of the vig attempts on Taka and Gibson, or part of the mafia hits?

[taka]

vote: Sigurd

Coz me capt'n sed so!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What bugs me, is that Sigurd would know he'd be investigated. Tomorrow will most likely yield definitive results on all three officers. Including a second opinion on Sigurd.
Also - why should he put himself in the spotlight? Then again, the goal of the Maven is to gain the lead in gold, early on. They can not recruit before this. Maybe it was a bold gamble.

This is what bugged me too, and given what GH said about the maven's getting 20 gold for a successful kill it doesn't make sense as a money making strategy either. I can only figure he didn't realize the investigations would reveal his full role and not just night actions.

Joooray is accounted for last night.

None of the circumstantial evidence warrant a vig kill on Jooray. I think we have seen quite enough wanton kills.

Accounted for how? Vig groups on suspicious people are fine. Having been in a prot group is no evidence, you might as well say that sigurd was accounted for.

[TinCow]

Well, I was going to wait until the end of the phase to vote, but it seems like the result is now a foregone conclusion. Still, I believe this fulfills the terms of our agreement since Sigurd is surely in the lead now and will almost certainly remain there. I expect my payment pever!

Unvote; Vote: Sigurd

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How much do you want?

Well, you're the first offer, so I'll take anything you're willing to give. Be aware that I am an equal opportunity bribe-taker though, so if someone else tops your offer later, I will change my vote.

oooh no, backstabbing, my gold goes to a stable vote sorry.

Hmmm... well, a stable vote will cost you more. Say... 7 gold. Seems like a nicely arbitrary yet reasonable price, don't you think?

Done.

Vote for whoever is in the lead, unless it is me, in which case the second place.

Will do. I will place my vote near the end of the voting phase.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Sigurd

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote: Sigurd

Why the grin pizza?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Remember, I need a confirmation on all transactions from both parties by PM in order for them to be valid.

[slashandburn]

Someone should vig kill slashandburn tonight.

Why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why the grin pizza?

WHY SO SERIOUS?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

WHY SO SERIOUS?

You weren't sure how to comment on your mafia buddy being found out. It's why you've been deliberately silly since he came under attack earlier today. You posted a grin because you didn't want to just vote, but you didn't want to make a serious comment in case it looked forced and ungenuine.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Accounted for how? Vig groups on suspicious people are fine. Having been in a prot group is no evidence, you might as well say that sigurd was accounted for.

Fine.

I am putting together a protection group on Jooray for tonight. Any idle hands looking for a job, PM me.

Why?

Because Sasaki wants the crew to kill all mafia, while he himself killes all of the crew, and then take over this ship himself with the largest stash of loot?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Fine.

I am putting together a protection group on Jooray for tonight. Any idle hands looking for a job, PM me.



Because Sasaki wants the crew to kill all mafia, while he himself killes all of the crew, and then take over this ship himself with the largest stash of loot?

How come you're so protective of jooray?

He was in a prot group with LG, presumably he was in one last night, that means nothing. His post was very suspicious.

Killing people isn't even good money louis, you know that

[Askthepizzaguy]

You weren't sure how to comment on your mafia buddy being found out. It's why you've been deliberately silly since he came under attack earlier today. You posted a grin because you didn't want to just vote, but you didn't want to make a serious comment in case it looked forced and ungenuine.

You caught me! You caught the tater.

[Subotan]

Well, I've seen enough.

Unvote:Andres, Vote Sigurd

Seeing as how we'll need a new Quartermaster, I'd like to humbly nominate myself for that position.