Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

**Tratorix** · 10-08-2009, 05:10

Well, now that the villainous, uncooperative Jolt has been dealt with perhaps we can focus on people who are, y'know, actually guilty.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 10-08-2009, 05:49

Originally Posted by Chaotix

Vote: ACIN

Not a single troll post from him in the last few rounds. Something's up, he's trying to stay low-key instead of drawing attention to himself as usual.

My Physics class has been taking much of my time this school year. Also on Wednesdays I have two clubs I am in taking up much of my time after school, which is why I am posting so late.

This leads into my:
Warning to GH, since i am busy on Wednesdays so much with my physics and various clubs I will probably miss more then a few votes on this day of the week and not post until late in the night for me, too late to meet the deadline most of the time. Just telling you now, I don't have the time I did with Capo.

And I just want the org to know, if anybody wants me to troll more all you have to do is ask.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 10-08-2009, 05:51

Lack of time seems to be a common problem, so no worries.

I'm only keeping this phase short because any longer and I'd probably have to really drag it out because of my sleep schedule. If I do that, I prefer to do it when there's a voting phase.

**Andres** · 10-08-2009, 08:22

Originally Posted by TinCow

I am satisfied with the situation regarding CDF. However, after today's ridiculous antics, I refuse to have anything to do with an ATPG hearsay bandwagon. Instead I will

Unvote; Vote: Reenk, courteously

I will explain my vote in the same manner he does:

Touché

Anyway,

So, basically Jolt was lynched, because he would like to be recruited by the mafia?

That sounds like a silly reason to me. It's not like townies can chose to go mafia in this game. They get recruited or they don't. For all we (and that includes Jolt) know, he may even be one of those townies who are not recruitable.

Why didn't we make him an officer, like we did with the previous townie who "might get recruited by the mafia"?

Hey, you know what: I'm a townie and it's possible that I could be recruited. Maybe make me an officer? Or lynch me?

Why was ATPG made officer and did Jolt get lynched?

I'm confused.

**Jolt** · 10-08-2009, 08:30

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So, Jolt, should I post our conversation then? I am not sure why you would say this was all lies.

Look even if you were a townie, you're not playing as such. You're intentionally trying to sabotage the ship and you voted for a trustworthy officer. It doesn't MATTER if you've been recruited yet or not. The simple fact remains you are plotting our destruction. Confessing such doesn't help your case for being innocent.

I read the rules and I didn't see a rule against posting chatlogs, which is basically the same as posting PMs from other players. So here it is.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I really hate MSN chatlogs. Too much useless info.

...What??? Why? Or better yet, really? I seriously have no idea why you took the work to do that, but I can assure to everyone that I did NOT write ANY of that. This was just all too weird.
EDIT: At 8/9 PM, I had dinner and left with some friends to go to Bairro Alto, how the heck could I have been here to write any of that??? Its irrelevant, in any case.

**Subotan** · 10-08-2009, 10:50

I'll be up all night on deck. Anyone want to play knucklebones?

**DisgruntledGoat** · 10-08-2009, 11:00

Pizza has been declared fully investigated and cleared. Why on Earth would he lie Jolt. I think you need to come up with a better defense than "Pizza is lying for some reason."

EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-08-2009, 11:01

Originally Posted by Tratorix

It's a reference. Five gold to anyone who came name what it's from.

Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords.

You can send the gold to my offshore bank account on the Cayman Islands.

**Death is yonder** · 10-08-2009, 11:17

Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

I will give 10 gold to whoever can guess what game it's from...

Aww.. too bad I was asleep, and away following that, if not I could have easily told you the answer

Originally Posted by Tratorix

Well, now that the villainous, uncooperative Jolt has been dealt with perhaps we can focus on people who are, y'know, actually guilty.

This seems to sum up my opinion of the current day phase...

Back to hitting the books

EDIT: Missed the fact that the day has already ended. Jolt, why bother continuing to claim Pizza is lying?

Edit: We'll know in 3 days

**Askthepizzaguy** · 10-08-2009, 11:36

Originally Posted by Jolt

I dislike pirates from Tortuga.

Unvote, Vote: Louis IV

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

unvote, vote: Jolt

Originally Posted by Jolt

EDIT: At 8/9 PM, I had dinner and left with some friends to go to Bairro Alto, how the heck could I have been here to write any of that??? Its irrelevant, in any case.

And you're in Portugal, yes... so when you were voting in the top quoted post, it was 5:27PM my time, as reflected in the quoted conversation. Not to mention the fact that you were here to, you know, vote, precisely 3 minutes before I voted for you. So everything you're saying is a lie. Which, if you're a townie, means you want to confuse and spread misinformation even in death.

Have a balloon.

**CountArach** · 10-08-2009, 13:23

Originally Posted by Andres

Why was ATPG made officer?

He has been fully investigated and found innocent according to both CR and Louis, yet has been found susceptible to conversion. Hence, by making him an officer he can't be converted and we have one more confirmed townie in a power position.

**Beskar** · 10-08-2009, 13:27

Originally Posted by Tratorix

It's a reference. Five gold to anyone who came name what it's from.

Asterix.

**Andres** · 10-08-2009, 13:49

Originally Posted by CountArach

He has been fully investigated and found innocent according to both CR and Louis, yet has been found susceptible to conversion. Hence, by making him an officer he can't be converted and we have one more confirmed townie in a power position.

Why ATPG? Why not me? Or you? Or Sasaki?

This is favouritism! It's unfair! How about equal rights? Equal treatment!

We should not tolerate this arbitrary rule of that corrupt dictatorial Rabbit! To the sharks with him! Off with his head! Mutiny!

**Beskar** · 10-08-2009, 13:57

Originally Posted by Andres

Why ATPG? Why not me? Or you? Or Sasaki?

This is favouritism! It's unfair! How about equal rights? Equal treatment!

We should not tolerate this arbitrary rule of that corrupt dictatorial Rabbit! To the sharks with him! Off with his head! Mutiny!

Who would investigate a deadman?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-08-2009, 14:01

Originally Posted by Andres

Why was ATPG made officer and did Jolt get lynched?

Because:
Pizza has been protecting crew, and Jolt has been killing them.
Pizza spoke the truth, Jolt lied about the MSN chat.

Jolt has been on a killing expedition at least twice. Against players he knew to be town. He also lied about chat logs / PM's. (Which, incidentally, our silly hypocrites Sasaki, Andres and Jolt seem to have forgot was the very reason they themselves vig killed innocent Grizzly)

How is that not a good lynch? Players need to protect themselves against their killers. Of any kind. Be they English, maven, or townies who publicly announce they will kill townies just for the fun of it.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-08-2009, 14:03

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No, he's having fun. You talked a whole bunch a couple pages back about how you just wanted to have fun. That's what Andres said too, and me as well. But you have to be honest about it ok. It's clear that you can't stand townies who are "unhelpful", capo made that abundantly clear. You going after them is the same as me vigging someone for starting a lame townie group. But I don't try and pretend like that's the best strategy, in fact obviously if you want to win the game it's an absolutely terrible strategy. We should form massive group around a confirmed, unconvertable innocent, have every townie fall into lock step and obey orders etc etc, and win in a couple days. Except that wouldn't be fun.

So don't pretend like it's good strategy to lynch Jolt, it's a terrible strategy. In a game where you can't join the mafia by choice, and probably can't and won't be converted, you don't lynch a probably townie for being unhelpful if you want the greatest chance at winning.

I mean, you joked around for a whole round and then pulled a bunch of drama, how is that helpful townie? I don't care, just see the log in your own eye huh?

Although I do hope you actually enjoy lynching the unhelpful people, sometimes I get the impression it just stresses you out. I can't imagine not simply enjoying capo

[Language please - GH]

> Jolt has at least twice been involved in vig killing innocents. There is a silly hypocrisy in Jolt's mates protesting his lynch as 'unnecessary killing of a town player'.
Half the people who protested, have been involved in killing innocents together with Jolt.

> Sasaki, you are mistaken about this game's mechanics. This game is exceedingly difficult for the town:

Investigations take a whopping three days. This game will be over before a detective has even managed to investigate a mere handful of players.

Players turn mafia without prior warning. Without any visible sign of it in the thread. In Capo, a player needs to kill to turn to the Dark Side. We get to see players turn mafia. They can also be caught doing so by detectives.
Not so here.

Lastly, all of the town players are in competition with one another too.

So again, even if the names of all the mafia players were announced by GH right now, the town could still lose. There is absolutely no reason to assume this will be a town walkover.

> For some reason, many players think that wantonly killing players is a fun thing to do. I disagree. There are roles. And there are people behind the roles. What is so cool about ending the game for some guy/gal just for the kicks of it? Just because you are disappointed that you are town?

> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.

**pevergreen** · 10-08-2009, 14:07

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

> Wanton killing of your own side isn't even good pirate role playing. What pirate secretly kills his own crew members at night? That's not Pirate role-playing, that is 'drugged Somali teenage militia' roleplaying.

Coming soon to the gameroom

Somali Teenage Militia - Drugged up edition!

**TinCow** · 10-08-2009, 14:18

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Pizza spoke the truth, Jolt lied about the MSN chat.

This is a ridiculous argument, because Jolt didn't even comment on the chat log until after the lynch was over. This was never a basis for the lynch.

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.

**Tratorix** · 10-08-2009, 14:24

Originally Posted by TinCow

This is a ridiculous argument, because Jolt didn't even comment on the chat log until after the lynch was over. This was never a basis for the lynch.

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso. Lynching anyone else is a waste of time.

You take your big city logic elsewhere, it ain't wanted here.

The best part about this is Jolt participating in various vig groups wasn't brought up until after he was lynched. Also, he's lying about the chatlogs for no apparent reason.

**TinCow** · 10-08-2009, 14:26

Originally Posted by Tratorix

Also, he's lying about the chatlogs for no apparent reason.

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong. Odd that everyone seems to forget that if LG hadn't been killed, he would've been lynched immediately afterwards. That vig kill saved us a lynch... which was then used on LG's most prominent defender.

**Tratorix** · 10-08-2009, 14:35

Originally Posted by Jolt

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point.

**KukriKhan** · 10-08-2009, 14:43

Originally Posted by Tratorix

That's true. But, that didn't come up until after he was lynched and now some people( who may or may not be french) are trying to say it was a basis for guilt, when it didn't factor in. I think Capo may have made people a bit too confident in ATPG. I'm pretty sure he could post a Reenk Roink style chain of smilies and end up getting someone lynched at this point.

If you'd-a taken a shot at Cap'n CR too in that post, you'd-a hadda hat trick!

**Tratorix** · 10-08-2009, 14:46

Originally Posted by KukriKhan

If you'd-a taken a shot at Cap'n CR too in that post, you'd-a hadda hat trick!

I would have, but as far as I can tell all our esteemed Cap'n has done so far is sit around and draw pretty pictures.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 10-08-2009, 14:48

Originally Posted by TC

Apparently the people 'running' the town seem to have forgotten that in order to win we need to lynch the starting mafioso.

Originally Posted by TinCow

I will admit that this aspect does raise my eyebrow about Jolt. However, that doesn't change the fact that the lynch itself was one of the most scumtastic bandwagons of the year.

I also like how we're now retroactively saying that the LG vig kill was wrong.

Wrong, not wrong...I didn't care. There were reasons to kill Grizz, there were reasons not to. I, for one, never voted for any of his killers over it.

What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.

The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.
And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.

Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.

**TinCow** · 10-08-2009, 14:59

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

What I'm saying, is that Grizz was killed on the flimsiest of evidence. The same reason that Jolt was lynched. A lynch, to which several of the very vig killers against Grizz and Andres protested because it was based on 'the flimsiest of evidence'. Which is rather odd. One has to lynch somebody, whereas one doesn't have to vig kill somebody.

You're remembering incorrectly. LG was killed because he admitted to having lied. Jolt was lynched because he said he was a bored townie. There's a huge difference there.

The bandwagon happened owing to the absense of any real mafia suspects. Nobody had any, so nobody can berate anybody else for not having any. But in the absense of any clear mafia suspects, I'd like to keep as many town alive for as long as possible.

If you'd like to keep the town alive, I suggest you try to lynch people that appear like they might be mafioso, as opposed to people that appear to almost certainly be townies. I'm not sure if you noticed this, but the entire argument for lynching Jolt was based on the assumption that he was a townie. No one even suggested that he was a mafioso. Color me skeptical if you say that was the best method of keeping townies alive.

And this is the hypocrisy of it: I have been very outspoken against wanton vig kills based on no clear reasons. Several others haven't. Yet, it is this last crew who are now protesting a lynch as 'wantonly killing' of crew.

And some of the protesters, like me, have been doing nothing but cooperating fully with CR-organized protection groups. Am I scum because I think what they say makes sense?

Somebody's got to get lynched. My own vote on Jolt, incidentally, I think was the first one. At any rate, placed well before a bandwagon appeared and before Pizza posted any comments on Jolt.

And what do you think of the bandwagon that appeared afterwards? Does it not concern you that so many people were able to vote without giving any reason or being questioned over it?

**Andres** · 10-08-2009, 15:11

Louis, have you ever been scum in a mafia game before?

Scum as opposed to townie.

**Captain Blackadder** · 10-08-2009, 15:25

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

**Andres** · 10-08-2009, 15:28

There's also something that bothers me.

CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.

After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.

Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?

Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?

EDIT: has Louis been cleared through investigations?

**TinCow** · 10-08-2009, 15:29

Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

That's it, I officially declare that lynch the laziest, most poorly thought out vote I have ever seen in any mafia game.

**Death is yonder** · 10-08-2009, 15:32

Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

VOTE JOLT

I see no reason for atpg to lie and if he is then he dies next so for now Jolt has to go.

Uh, firstly, the round is over

Secondly ATPG can't lie as the argument was centered around lying about chatlogs and uh... wanting to be a mafia, emphasis on the "wanting to be"...

There's also something that bothers me.

CR and ATPG claim to have contact with detectives.

After he died, Tratorix told us to lynch CDF.

Do CR, ATPG or Louis know something about Tratorix' role?

Did you guys have specific reasons to ignore Tratorix' accusation?

Apparently it looks as if Tratorix is attacking CDF due to the fact that all those who participated with him in a group died off simultaneously and pretty fast... that and "stuff the dead can't reveal".

No idea.

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