President O'Bama Nobel Laureate...

[Strike For The South]

I believe this would be a good time for me to *bow* out of the topic


Darwin must be spinning in his grave; "Why is that still alive!?"

Who are you talking about?

I'm still a devout Christian but don't think my religon has any place in my goverment or in my school.

But don't bash those who hold a different scientific opinon than you. No matter how odd you think it is.

[Kadagar_AV]

My girlfriend is also christian, so I don't mind...

That is, as long as you are open to other ideas, you dont lock yourself in one line of thought, and, as you said, have some sort of scientific opinion.

That is, you don't just draw conclusions and "facts" from thin air and wave them around as the truth and only way.

[Strike For The South]

My girlfriend is also christian, so I don't mind...

That is, as long as you are open to other ideas, you dont lock yourself in one line of thought, and, as you said, have some sort of scientific opinion.

That is, you don't just draw conclusions and "facts" from thin air and wave them around as the truth and only way.

Well first off I'm glad you don't mind I'm a christian that's a load of my back

As for the rest of your post: I could say the same for the other side of the aisle

To say "It's only ok if you sit in back and SHUT THE **** UP" is intolerance and stinks of elitism.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Well, a recent Christian myself, I do not mind Christianity of course, and even often encourage it (in addition to pretending to be an ardent Christian when it is in my best interest - although I have no qualms over flaunting my atheism), but I am firmly set against Young Earth Creationism, the fundamentalist movements, a great portion of the Southern Baptists and such, as all three are essentially in one category, sharing very little in the way of dissimilarities.

[Kadagar_AV]

Why so hostile?

To say "It's only ok if you sit in back and SHUT THE **** UP" is intolerance and stinks of elitism.

Agreed.

Did I hint that that was my opinion, or?

I just find it meaningless to try to discuss with young earth creationists... It's basicly a waste of time. I don't tell them to shut anything up though, they can rant as much as they want. I just can't be bothered to listen.

They have a whole world of knowledge outside their window and on their computer. If that can't convince them, neither can I.

[Strike For The South]

Well, a recent Christian myself, I do not mind Christianity of course, and even often encourage it (in addition to pretending to be an ardent Christian when it is in my best interest - although I have no qualms over flaunting my atheism), but I am firmly set against Young Earth Creationism, the fundamentalist movements, a great portion of the Southern Baptists and such, as all three are essentially in one category, sharing very little in the way of dissimilarities.

Those are my peeps homeboi. I will admit the ignorance I encounter at times is frighting but they are still some of the kindest people I have ever met. People whom would clothe and feed you if you needed it.

TBH I find most atheists some of the most self absorbed insulated people I have ever met. Maybe it's becuase they live her or maybe its becuase the only reason I find out they are atheists is becuase They are usually the loudest in the room

Why so hostile?

Agreed.

Did I hint that that was my opinion, or?

I just find it meaningless to try to discuss with young earth creationists... It's basicly a waste of time. I don't tell them to shut anything up though, they can rant as much as they want. I just can't be bothered to listen.

They have a whole world of knowledge outside their window and on their computer. If that can't convince them, neither can I.

Well it looks like we're in agreement

[Aemilius Paulus]

To say "It's only ok if you sit in back and SHUT THE **** UP" is intolerance and stinks of elitism.

Well, I disagree. For one, is it intolerant to ridicule and avoid intolerant people? I do not think so. That is my rationale for avoiding the radical Christians who are too public about their faith. I have no problems with being friends with a Young-Earth creationist (and I do as a matter of fact have a couple) but those two keep their beliefs to themselves, which is why I associate myself with them.

Elitism is being snobbish in front of stupid people. Fundamentalists are not stupid - they can very well be intelligent, but they are stubbornly ignorant. I consider ignorance and stupidity two very different words. Ignorance is literally, in my own definition purposely ignoring facts for various reasons, or alternatively, as the dictionaries say - not being aware of those facts in the first place. But I will focus on the first definition. It is thus simply being headstrong. Stupidity is well, we all know what that is. Being snobbish in front of ignorant people is not elitism - it is simply being not wise, or tactful as you pointed out, SFTS.

My family is good friends with a couple in their fifties, and they are very intelligent in all respects. They have read a great deal, and the husband has a PhD. But they are both Southern Baptist creationists. Stupid? Of course not. Ignorant of even the most basic biology? Definitely. In general very stubborn? You betcha. They believe in numerous long-disproved old wives' tales and the two have a funny idea they are somehow more correct than the whole world... Talk about contrasts...

[Lemur]

So ... how 'bout them Nobel Prizes, huh? Pretty wacky. If you ask me, too many women getting them. It's a man's world and a man's prize, and those brainy chicks have no business taking away the prizes that rightfully belong to their husbands. You really mean to tell me that Ada Yonath deserves one just for describing the atom-by-atom structure of ribosomes? Gimme a break, lady. Shut that over-educated yap and make me a cake.

[Aemilius Paulus]

T I will admit the ignorance I encounter at times is frighting but they are still some of the kindest people I have ever met. People whom would clothe and feed you if you needed it.

That is very much true. Church people are on average much warmer, kinder, and more generous.

TBH I find most atheists some of the most self absorbed insulated people I have ever met. Maybe it's becuase they live her or maybe its becuase the only reason I find out they are atheists is becuase They are usually the loudest in the room

Same here, but only for the young atheists. Especially the "hard-core" atheists whom I dislike no less than the fundamentalist Christians. And because atheism is most prevalent among adolescents and young adults, that is all you will see. For instance, all my Uni profs are atheists, and they are marvellous individuals. I would much rather live and be friends with their kind.

Although if I need help, I may go to a Church :P

[Aemilius Paulus]

So ... how 'bout them Nobel Prizes, huh? Pretty wacky. If you ask me, too many women getting them. It's a man's world and a man's prize, and those brainy chicks have no business taking away the prizes that rightfully belong to their husbands. You really mean to tell me that Ada Yonath deserves one just for describing the atom-by-atom structure of ribosomes? Gimme a break, lady. Shut that over-educated yap and make me a cake.

Meh, a bit of luck there, a bit of political correctness here, and a piece of professionalism all the way yonder.

Just like Obama's victory

[Zain]

Can someone tell me how someone can be a Christian believer in the Holy Bible and still believe in Evolution?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Can someone tell me how someone can be a Christian believer in the Holy Bible and still believe in Evolution?

As much as I hate to agree with that statement, I have to admit you are quite correct and I view Christians who accept evolution as "compromisers", and not in a good sense either. Regretfully, Christianity needs plenty of tweaking to be suitable for evolution. Creationism merely follows the Bible (and then for some mysterious reason perverts it with the uncalled-for and the wildest imaginable hypotheses about dinosaurs :( ).


Which leads me to another point, which is best not uttered here... Having to do with Christians and their ign...

[drone]

Can someone tell me how someone can be a Christian believer in the Holy Bible and still believe in Evolution?

Why not? As long as someone doesn't take a literal interpretation of the Bible, there is really no reason why evolution and Christianity can't co-exist. Maybe evolution is part of God's plan, or even God tweaking his work as time passes. Why can't various scientific theories/laws just explain mechanisms God set in place?

[Aemilius Paulus]

Why not? As long as someone doesn't take a literal interpretation of the Bible, there is really no reason why evolution and Christianity can't co-exist. Maybe evolution is part of God's plan, or even God tweaking his work as time passes. Why can't various scientific theories/laws just explain mechanisms God set in place?

Well, that is making it more complex... Not literal? How much of the Bible is "not literal"? Where do we stop?

[Kadagar_AV]

Well, that is making it more complex... Not literal? How much of the Bible is "not literal"? Where do we stop?

Didn't you know?

The bible is like a smorgosbord where you can pick and choose the parts you like

[Aemilius Paulus]

The bible is like a smorgosbord where you can pick and choose the parts you like

Of course, even the creationists do it all the time... What happened to the Old Testament Laws - when creationists love to maintain that all parts of the Bible matter, including the Old Testament? Or the New Testament idea that you have to give up your earthly wealth to be saved? Pick n' choose

[Banquo's Ghost]

This has long left the original topic behind, and whilst there are some well-argued posts developing, there are also some rather distasteful trolls peeking from beneath their bridges.

If a new thread on evolution/religion/the founding fathers emerges, I suggest participants treat their opponents with respect, as per the Backroom Rules.