Faction List for EB2?

[Brennus]

I think the Xiognu are going to be in! :)

If the Yuezhi aren't in it the Xiongu definatly won't be, chronologically and topographically its unrealistic. Plus there is the problem of culture, the Xiongu were an Altaic people not Indo-European, you would need a whole new culture slot not to mention new voice mods (for a language which I don't think has any modern descendants).

[bobbin]

If the Yuezhi aren't in it the Xiongu definatly won't be, chronologically and topographically its unrealistic. Plus there is the problem of culture, the Xiongu were an Altaic people not Indo-European, you would need a whole new culture slot not to mention new voice mods (for a language which I don't think has any modern descendants).

Either thats the driest sarcasm I've ever heard or you failed to spot the joke of a EB team member suggesting a completely inapropriate faction.

[Brennus]

Either thats the driest sarcasm I've ever heard or you failed to spot the joke of a EB team member suggesting a completely inapropriate faction.

You must forgive me, I have been writing about Scythian and Sarmatian culture for the past fortnight and so my mind is a bit frazzled

Well I think its an given that the Belgae or an part of the Belgae will be in. And most likely there will be some at least some other like Celt-Iberians, Boii and another Germanic faction.

Boii seem like strong contenders. My only other worry is putting even more factions around the AS. AS games are hard enough as it is so a powerful Poleis like Pergamum worries me, although you never know it could be a nice buffer to Makedonia.

Full support for a Goidelic or another British faction!

[ziegenpeter]

Full support for a Goidelic or another British faction!

Will you do the research?

[Hax]

I raise you the Tokugawa Shogunate, Moros!

[Brennus]

Will you do the research?

May as well, gonna end up writing about Iron Age Britain and Ireland at some point on my course.

Obviously a Goidelic faction would be extremely difficult to create both from an archaeological perspective (first person to find the Irish Iron Age gets a medal!) and historical perspective but surely a British tribe like the Brigantes would be a feasible thought (just a thought, Im not one of these people who supports a British faction in the same way people have been supporting a Jewish faction), I just wish the Picts had emerged a few hundred years earlier than they did.

[Ludens]

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

I raise you the Tokugawa Shogunate, Moros!

[Taliferno]

Doupt there will be an Irish Faction. It would be based on to many assumptions. The four units in EB1 (with a few changes, primarily to the Nobles, IMO) amply represents Irelands inhabitants.

I would prefer the Brigantes to replace the Casse, and then add in a Belgic faction with one of its objectives being to take over Southern England. I believe that a Belgic faction has been suggested before though, but was turned down/argued against by one of the team members (not enough info at start period).

Someone ought to gather the various team quotes together and start another Lost Art of keeping a secret thread....

[Moros]

If the Yuezhi aren't in it the Xiongu definatly won't be, chronologically and topographically its unrealistic. Plus there is the problem of culture, the Xiongu were an Altaic people not Indo-European, you would need a whole new culture slot not to mention new voice mods (for a language which I don't think has any modern descendants).

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

[eddy_purpus]

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

[Blxz]

Oh but we merged the east hellenic culture slot with the semitic one, or something I believe. Anyway blast now you guessed that other factions the Yuézhi as well!

Is that actually true? I really don't get the point of why culture slots are a limitation. Sure the UI is changed, and the city models look different and there are other things tied to culture, but I really don't get why its such a thing that if a faction was needed, you had all the info for them but they were of a totally different culture to the current ones that it would be a problem to just lump them in with something already there. Do people care THAT much about cosmetics that they would erase a historically significant faction?

[oudysseos]

Is that actually true? I really don't get the point of why culture slots are a limitation. Sure the UI is changed, and the city models look different and there are other things tied to culture, but I really don't get why its such a thing that if a faction was needed, you had all the info for them but they were of a totally different culture to the current ones that it would be a problem to just lump them in with something already there. Do people care THAT much about cosmetics that they would erase a historically significant faction?

Well, yes it is kinda a big deal. Family member portraits - do you want a Roman face in your Gallic family tree? Strat map models, cities, UI- they are all part of de-homogenizing the original product. And there are lots of historically significant factions, about which there is plenty of material, that already fit into the culture slots that we have- so why should we go looking outside the parameters? Hell, we could probably do 9 or 10 Celtic factions alone.

Maybe we are...

[eddy_purpus]

Well, yes it is kinda a big deal. Family member portraits - do you want a Roman face in your Gallic family tree? Strat map models, cities, UI- they are all part of de-homogenizing the original product. And there are lots of historically significant factions, about which there is plenty of material, that already fit into the culture slots that we have- so why should we go looking outside the parameters? Hell, we could probably do 9 or 10 Celtic factions alone.

Maybe we are...

You already said it!
There is at least one celtic faction !!!

[hekk]

You already said it!
There is at least one celtic faction !!!

Well I wouldn't be surprised by that, the Celtic tribes spanned across most of Europe really. I don't see how they couldn't have atleast one more Celtic faction.

I really can't wait til they reveal one though (if they do, that is). :p

[tarem]

originally i'd vote for a numidian, pergamon and britain based factions but they are already in.
so from a game-experience pov my prefferances for the other factions are rather similar to the great majority of posters from 2007 onwards (i actually read the first 9 pages before i noticed how old this discussion was )
1. boii - as said before their presence in central europe and north italy can serve a great deal in slowing german and roman expansion patterns, especially in the gaul theater.

2.a second iberian or celto-iberian faction to duplicate with more accuracy (or at least provide role playing) the political situation there. i.e. if some tribes can be used by either side of the roman-cathaginian conflict as allies, this would not automaticly include all of the iberian peninsula. and 2 factions might even present a more durable buffer against romano-cathage expansion north then 1.

3.kyrenae faction as buffer betwean ptolemaic kingdom and cathage

4.maybe devide the greek city states into 2 factions, but i fear this would not improve their survivability

5. rebel seleukids, event triggered preferably, to accelerate their demise if some theritories are lost or some faction members get killed in battle

6. rebel romans, similary triggered by events, but more connected with theritory expansion, marian reforms and character traits

i know yuezhi are not included, but i'd also prefer if at least some nasty eleutheroi nomadic invasion pops in the far eastern edges of the map to spice things up for the bactrians and possibly seleukids if they still have a hold there. in my current game with macedon, while hunting seleukids past persepolis i was surprised to see the bactrians thriving in the north indias. and this is a second time they do this out of 2 campaigns i've played this far east. they need to be challenged somehow, especially if human controlled. and since indian faction is not possible, at least a time triggered mongol-like invasion of neautrals would do the trick. scripted to be quite agresive within their historical activity zones