The Red Phoenix [Concluded]

[Sprig]

Maybe - my PM is very similar to yours and contains that line, but it explicitly says that I'm rumored to be upset with Cao Cao for accepting the newcomer. I believe your PM is legitemate.

I didn't realize we had such a detailed outline provided to us by Jolt, all that stuff I wrote was from unrelated sources. So Jolt explicitly mentions Xu Shu and Pang Tong in his first writeup. That leads me to believe Sima Yi (Sprig) + the other guy are a second mafia unrelated to PT & XS. So.....scratch what I said about Jooray and ATPG being innocent for killing Khaan.

I'll still happily vote off a lurker (Subotan), but now my list of innocents is down to FH and Beskar.

FH - what leads you to believe AVSM is innocent?

err you are all still making a big mistake... and quite obviously deliberately to mislead others.

I am\was not mafia. I am not saying Faction heir is lying, I am just saying that he was decieved.

[Yaropolk]

err you are all still making a big mistake... and quite obviously deliberately to mislead others.

I am\was not mafia. I am not saying Faction heir is lying, I am just saying that he was decieved.

Sprig - since you were lynched, we've only seen 1 person go after FH - how do you explain that?

[Sprig]

Sprig - since you were lynched, we've only seen 1 person go after FH - how do you explain that?

You're well aware why - you sneaky man you. Why attack with two people when you can attack with one. It also gives the nice illusion of there only being one left.

Sorry to dispel any cover you were hoping to make.

[Beskar]

But why would two people attack one person all game, and not seperate people, also, how did Factionheir be able to defend from two seperate attackers, usually, protection can only save you from one of them.

However, in Jolt's write-up, there is this.

Executed (5):
Centurion1 - Mao Jie
Yaseikhaan - Xu Shu
Paulus Tertius - Xun Yu
Death is Yonder - Pang Tong
Sprig - Sima Yi

Assassinated (2):
Diana Abnoba - Xiahou Dun
atheotes - Jia Xu

Both YaseiKhaan and DIY were the two Mafia in the beginning. Also, Jolt labelled the both of those with red font. While Sprig argument by FactionHeir seemed convincing, Jolt never red fonted Sprig's name. Does that mean Sprig was actually a Mafia? Also, since the two Mafia which were called the Mafia dead, who could it be?

Luckily, there is a possible explanation. On page 8 by Paulus Tertius.

I never had the intent of going mafia - even if I would have fulfilled the requirements.

This suggests the possibility of Emergent Mafia based on a set of conditions. however, if Sprig was an emergent mafia, wouldn't his name be redded by Jolt? (so in short, a question to the Host, are all the Mafia got red-fonted when they died?)

Another issue of this, I will say to Yaropolk. You pulled out incidences of people which looked scummy at the beginning (including myself) and you said about Khaan. Emergent Mafia (at a guess) may or maynot even be related to those Mafia or be akin to Serial Killers/Emergent Serial Killers. So looking at who voted who at the beginning would be redunant, as if it is emergent mafia, they wouldn't have tried to save Khaan or DIY, as they wouldn't even be on the same side of them.

This also draws into a more serious and scary point. If it is emergent Mafia, then everyone who we pretty much think is innocent, could not be. Though, I think I can give FactionHeir benefit of the doubt, as they keep trying to attack him, but still, your argument for example AVSM saying you was a good townie and voted them off, actually means nothing, as it is possible you were never on the same side anyway.

[FactionHeir]

ATPG:
My reasoning that you aren't cleared is that you were attacked by mafia gang 1. Not attacked since emergence of gang 2, and you seemed to be working closely with Sprig.

I imagine emergent mafia know of each other in any case as otherwise Sprig and his partner wouldn't have been able to make a joint attack (writeup clearly indicates joint), unless of course both attackers are very active players.

Regarding reddening of names, I imagine its Jolt's oversight - re: WoG.

vote: ATPG

since Subotan will be WoGed anyway...

I guess Joooray is next if that doesn't stop the attacks.

[A Very Super Market]

I will gladly produce my role PM if you wish. Why would a member of Cao Cao's own family betray him? My role says nothing of turning against Cao Cao, because my character never did so in history. Xun Yu did, and thus he is
susceptible.

Vote: Subotan

If this natches it, then Yaropolk is dead tomorrow.

[Yaropolk]

If this natches it, then Yaropolk is dead tomorrow.

What is natches?

[FactionHeir]

Hmm Yaro mentioned Cao Ren being a possible mafia based on RotK and AVSM claimed Cao Ren...

[A Very Super Market]

Huh? Cao Ren, Cao Cao's loyal cousin? I find little rationale in that accusation.

[Jolt]

This suggests the possibility of Emergent Mafia based on a set of conditions. however, if Sprig was an emergent mafia, wouldn't his name be redded by Jolt? (so in short, a question to the Host, are all the Mafia got red-fonted when they died?)

I redded both Mafiosi at the request of Diana, who was having trouble following who was innocent or not. As I said, I only redded both mafiosi who are publicly known to be that way through the intro. Other mafiosi, whether alive or dead, emergent or not will not be redded. It is up to the players to find out who is/are mafiosi besides the public two.

[A Very Super Market]

Subotan has been active. I doubt he will actually be WOG'd.

Although if you're reading this, I consider it unsporting to simply wait until one minute until round's end to vote.

[atheotes]

err you are all still making a big mistake... and quite obviously deliberately to mislead others.

I am\was not mafia. I am not saying Faction heir is lying, I am just saying that he was decieved.

arent you dead? i am not sure how much you are allowed to talk.