Calling out the mods.

[Fixiwee]

Sounds like rules #1 and #2 were ignored, and the discussion leaked into the main forum and attracted mod attention.
Your crew are pretty active members, and do contribute to the community in the normal forums. Just learn to compartmentalize...

No. Rule#1 and #2 were obeyed. There was no piracy or wares in the tavern. Just occasional bad language.

And see that's the problem. If some members of the tavern would have waved the attention flag, noone would have noticed or cared. Mods might have actually said: "they behave normal in the forum, let's let them have their place where they can blow off steam."

There is a bottom-line and that is that there are some things that cannot do and majority of these can be enforced by the server host, so it is not even up to Tosa to decide it should be allowed or not, as it is the server policy not to have those things,

Should the forum face consequences and possibly shut down because some members couldn't behave themselves? The answer is obviously no.

You are completley exaggerating. I don't believe that you have any idea why the place was deleted.

TosaInu as far as I am aware, just deleted it and went "Right, just create a new one and don't let it get like that again." after there have been warning and comments all done before. One of the worse things as a staff-member is when the forum starts becoming a job rather than something you enjoy. I remember when I was a moderator, that it can easily get into the case where some things really do become a hassle and it is like some members just do it to purposely just to cause trouble.

I'm not causing trouble, yet I am affected. That's hardly fair.

What TosaInu might have been seen as harsh at first, but he has warned and commented on this area before and it was the members of the group that caused all the trouble who are at fault, not TosaInu and the staff-members.

Contacting Appo, the group owner, upfront might have been a good idea. The whole thing was presented with a fait accompli, and we were not even allowed to complain at first. Hardly a diplomatical action, you have to anticipate negative reaction for that.

Of course you can, within the forum rules.

At first I couldn't. Tosa deleted and said there was no discussion. Topic locked after creation. Fait accompli.

There's a lesson in there somewhere, and you people are certainly intelligent enough to figure out what it is. So, think way back when all y'all were removed from TWC. I have no real idea why, but I imagine I wouldn't be far off the mark if it happened to be under similar circumstances, right ? Don't tell me, I really don't care. That was way in the past, and we are concerned with the immediate present.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The EB tavern was formed here in the org as a thread. It was closed due reasons I have no clue, because I wasn't there back then.
If you are concerened with the immediate present, why do you bring the past up. I'm not able to understand the point you are trying to make.

You know, it's funny. This is the only social group at the org that I am aware of that has ever been deleted. In fact, this is the only social group that I can recall with multiple reported posts for unacceptable content. Everyone else seems to be able to handle it, and I don't believe for a minute that all the other groups are 100% choir boys. However, despite that and the lack of moderator super-nannies looking over their shoulders they manage to get along here without any undue trouble.

Yeah. Because Aza and Sub posted links outside the tavern that drew attention. AP basicly asked to be banned aswell.
I am dead sure if those posters wouldn't have messed it up in such a short timespan, no mod would have cared for the minor slips in language there.

This forum is very tolerant when it comes to allowing serious rule breakers back, more so than any other place I've ever been. However, it would be a mistake to take that as a weakness to be exploited.
I'm not speaking for Tosa or anyone else, but as far as I know and am concerned all are welcome to stay including those that are currently temporarily banned. This has always been the policy since I've been here. However, that is up to each of you. All y'all are in total control of your individual circumstances here.

I don't see the connection here. If we all seriously broke the rules, we should get infraction points or bans. Because of language. Deleting the whole group was collective punishment that affected people who posted there and did not break any rules.