Woohoo! Go, Scott Brown.

[Lemur]

I should hope there is a price to be paid for the GOP itself, and not just for the functioning of democracy in America.

No evidence of price-paying thus far, or as one blogger put it:

The problem here is that the Republican strategy of holding out for total surrender is working just fine. They had an interesting theory that if you refuse to cooperate with efforts to make the country better, things won’t get better and the out-of-power party will benefit. The theory appears to be true.

[aimlesswanderer]

Yeah, the Republicans seem to be opposing everything just because they can, and because the thoughtful types on Fox are causing their supporters to froth at the mouth. And where were all these disaffected small government types when Bush was racking up a massive deficit (hello multiple trillion dollar tax cuts to the rich) and expanding the government hugely? They were probably congratulating themselves on their tax cuts, and not noticing that it blew an enormous hole in the budget. So now they're suddenly all hot and bothered?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

And where were all these disaffected small government types when Bush was racking up a massive deficit (hello multiple trillion dollar tax cuts to the rich) and expanding the government hugely?

Not only was there similar opposition, but the opposition climbed the more Bush slid into deficit and debt. Is it any surprise that, now that Obama added so much extra debt and created an even larger deficit, that they are so much angrier?

[aimlesswanderer]

Not only was there similar opposition, but the opposition climbed the more Bush slid into deficit and debt. Is it any surprise that, now that Obama added so much extra debt and created an even larger deficit, that they are so much angrier?

But the budget was crap and getting worse the longer bush was in charge, and so when Obama took office it was already in terrible shape. If there was no stimulus the US economy would have been even crappier, and if there were no bailouts there would be no economy, no financial system and probably a global depression. It isn't Obama's fault that the budget he inherited was in huge deficit, that was his predecessors who caused that.

[Subotan]

Not only was there similar opposition, but the opposition climbed the more Bush slid into deficit and debt.

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[Skullheadhq]

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Nice one!
Also, would you let illegals just rot to death and deny them healthcare, it looks inhumane in my eyes.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Nice one!
Also, would you let illegals just rot to death and deny them healthcare, it looks inhumane in my eyes.

Actually, even as a leftie, I would not agree with your point. The last thing US needs is providing for illegals. The fact they do not pay taxes is bad enough, and the illegals are almost never turned down in the ER (Emergency Room) because that is illegal. And the anchor babies, a concept which is widely and blatantly abused by illegals...

So now you tell me they should get healthcare as well? What happened to the fact they are breaking the law by staying in US, and that they can go back anytime they want to Mexico (or whichever Central American/Caribbean state they belong to). I mean, your idea is noble and splendid, sure, but it is not sustainable. A healthcare system for US citizens only would necessitate a sharp tax increase, but providing for illegals as well would push taxes up and possibly over the levels of European welfare states - something most Americans loathe, or at least would rather not have.

Not to mention, legal immigrants like me do not/will not receive free healthcare - why should illegals, of all the people, receive it? Despite the fact that I would love to receive free healthcare myself, I do not think US should provide for legal immigrants either. If US does it though, then it could face reverse medical tourism...

[Skullheadhq]

Not to mention, legal immigrants like me do not/will not receive free healthcare.

Even if they pay taxes, just like all other americans?

[Xiahou]

No evidence of price-paying thus far, or as one blogger put it:

The problem here is that the Republican strategy of holding out for total surrender is working just fine. They had an interesting theory that if you refuse to cooperate with efforts to make the country better, things won’t get better and the out-of-power party will benefit. The theory appears to be true.

It's comical to hear all the 'blame the GOP obstructionists' talk when until too recently the Democrats had unstoppable majorities in both houses. The Democrats had total control over Congress and the White House and still failed to accomplish anything. Why? Because of the Republicans.

Under Bush, the GOP never had a 60 seat majority in the senate and the Democrats still howled about one party rule and how they were powerless to oppose the GOP majority. How is it that the Democrats had 60 seats and still managed to be so feckless? I guess Bush was just more bipartisan than Obama...

[drone]

Under Bush, the GOP never had a 60 seat majority in the senate and the Democrats still howled about one party rule and how they were powerless to oppose the GOP majority. How is it that the Democrats had 60 seats and still managed to be so feckless? I guess Bush was just more bipartisan than Obama...

I've been pondering if the Democratic congressional leadership was (and remains) incompetent, or complicit in allowing the abuses of the Bush years. I'm not sure Occam's razor applies.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's comical to hear all the 'blame the GOP obstructionists' talk when until too recently the Democrats had unstoppable majorities in both houses. The Democrats had total control over Congress and the White House and still failed to accomplish anything. Why? Because of the Republicans.

Under Bush, the GOP never had a 60 seat majority in the senate and the Democrats still howled about one party rule and how they were powerless to oppose the GOP majority. How is it that the Democrats had 60 seats and still managed to be so feckless? I guess Bush was just more bipartisan than Obama...

If the democrats haven't done anything, I guess that conservatives who want to keep the status quo should be cheering them on.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

If the democrats haven't done anything, I guess that conservatives who want to keep the status quo should be cheering them on.

Conservatives don't want to keep the status quo, we just don't want that sort of "change."

[Beskar]

Conservatives don't want to keep the status quo, we just don't want that sort of "change."

Correct, they want regression.

That is why they don't want status quo or progression, Sasaki.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Correct, they want regression.

Wrong.

[Beskar]

Wrong.

No it isn't, the oxymoronical "right" who are against progress, want to regress to states such as having a heirarchical monarchy.

I believe even you share this opinion, EMFM, with your want of a Kaiser.

So how is this wrong?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Conservatives don't want to keep the status quo, we just don't want that sort of "change."

But the democrats are failing to change anything, it is being said.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

But the democrats are failing to change anything, it is being said.

Then the Republicans are opposed to the Democrats not changing anything, and are therefore in favour of change.

Wow, just wow. I know the USA just pretends to be a secular republic, but that's just maleovelent.

It is a secular republic, and that statement in no way negates that fact, as you know.

[KukriKhan]

Yanno... I used to view our Evil_Maniac From Mars as an attention-seeking kinda guy, what with his choice of names and all (no offense, E )

Lately, I've come to regard him as a stentorophonic, while whispering, Voice of Reason.

on-topic: Mr. Scott Brown: interesting to see what he does in the next 90 days, and whether Mass thinks they got their money's worth, or have buyer's remorse.

[Subotan]

It is a secular republic, and that statement in no way negates that fact, as you know.

OK, so if government and religion are separate, why is there only one atheist congressman? Why would less people vote for a Muslim or a Gay Presidential candidate over an atheist one? Christianity is de facto the state religion.

[Major Robert Dump]

BeeGees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWYefe9EzI

[KukriKhan]

BeeGees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWYefe9EzI

I'll see your Aussie Massachusetts, and Raise you a Dirty Water; Boston You're My Home. :) (Funny those guys are still doing gigs, 40 years later.

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to topic: GOP'ers need to be careful they don't convince themselves of a "message from the people" that isn't there.