Impact of the First Obama State of the Union

[Beskar]

Say wha? According to most credible reports, Obama does more of his own writing than any President in recent memory. Where do these nonsense memes come from?

Well, I know for a fact Jon Favreau wrote Obama's inaugural address and many other high-profile ones. It wasn't Obama who wrote it himself.

[Lemur]

Well, I know for a fact Jon Favreau wrote Obama's inaugural address and many other high-profile ones. It wasn't Obama who wrote it himself.

Read the article I linked. It's a respectable piece of reporting, not some hack work. If you believe any of the named, on-the-record sources in it, Obama does a lot of his own writing. His make-or-break race speech after the Revered Wright explosion, for example, was almost entirely him. Favreau's work was dropped, and he was relegated to typing what the candidate said and doing some line-edits.

There are plenty of legitimate places to ding Obama, but to go at him about writing is borderline insane. He's one of the very few politicians to have actually written his own books, and all reports from within his campaign and admin suggest that he does much more of his own writing than any president in the last thirty years.

[drone]

Favreau's work was dropped, and he was relegated to typing what the candidate said and doing some line-edits.

Which is a shame, I really want to hear Obama say, "Vegas, baby. Vegas."

[Lemur]

Day after polling roundup.

[Kadagar_AV]

I am def no Obama fan-boy... In fact, I think he has been pretty damn meaningless thus far.

But to bash him about speaches is just....

As mentioned:

1) one of very few who has written his own book.
2) one of very few actually having anything to do, at all, with his speaches. If you think GWB did more writing than Obama, as an example, I will have to go Triebsman on you -
3. True, he doesnt write everything on his own, he still choose what to use though, and edits it. Most presidents barely does even that.

Next point please.

[Devastatin Dave]

1) one of very few who has written his own book.
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! Obama=Ayers

[Lemur]

What does Ayers have to do with anything being discussed in this thread? DD, did you take your medication today?

[Aemilius Paulus]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Obama=Ayers

Tehehehee

What does Ayers have to do with anything being discussed in this thread? DD, did you take your medication today?

No, DD is absolutely fine. You see, there is talk of Ayers writing the Dreams from my Fathers book, which is why DD made that comment. Yes, the talk is mostly right-wing nuts, but it is not as if they are baseless - some of their arguments do make sense, and hell, I am a liberal and a staunch Obama supporter, so it is not as if I have any reason to support them.

Some of the arguments centre around stylistics differences between the first book and the second - Audacity of Hope. I read both of the books, and there is a large difference between them, although it is difficult to say if it was stylistic and not simply a result of different objectives for the two books. Dreams from My Fathers was the more sophisticated of the two, namely its beginning chapters. Then it simply turned into a narrative, but in the beginning, it was quite eloquent.

A few points to note are that Obama was rather an uninspiring writer while he was in the Uni and professor-ing, as well as the fact that his explanation for when he found time to write Dreams were quite fishy. I do not believe he simply let someoen ghost-write the book with Obama's guidance, but I do not discount this. Remember John Kennedy - and he got a Pulitzer for his fake autobiography. The truth could be in teh middle as well - Obama could have significantly collaborated with someone else for Dreams as well.

As for Audacity, it was his 'stump speech' book and indeed, it bore little difference from his speeches. The first chapters of Audacity are sickeningly non-confrontational, 'everyone is good, smart, blah, blah' but then the book takes a turn and begins real talk, which is somewhat rather inspiring.

[Devastatin Dave]

What does Ayers have to do with anything being discussed in this thread? DD, did you take your medication today?

Lemur, personal attack deleted listern... His "I get it" speech showed that he DOESN'T get it. And I'm glad because his arrogance and his lust for power, as shown by his open disdain of the Supreme Court for everyone except perhaps for you to see, will be his downfall and along with all of his leftist buddies that have stunk up the Legislative and Executive branches. The Founding Fathers in there wisdom created a government of checks and balances to keep people like Obama or Bush from completely destroying the foundation of our nation. The government is way too big but Obama wants more. He talks about listening to those that oppose him but he shuts out the opposition from meetings and discussions. Do you think its "fair" the union workers should keep their healthcare while others get rationed or that certain states are exempt from paying into a system that won't be availiable for 7 years? I know you're in love but you're a smart guy, how can you sit here act as though this guy craps gold nuggets and pisses lemonaid?
His speech rang hollow and just because the guys reads well off a teleprompter and doesn't make him the intellectual giant you claim him to be. Again, I want to know his GPA in school and see if he earned where he was at or if his just another affirmative action hire used as a puppet for the George Soros's of the world to purposely destroy this country and its economy. I remember just before the election he said "We are ..Days Away From Fundamentally Transforming The United States of America". If he loves the United States so much, why the hell would he want to fundamentally change it? Do you think it needs to be "fundamentally" changed? What the hell is wrong you you Obama worshippers?