Scythed Chariot Question

[jirisys]

Real Cavalry won't charge a tight and ready formation, but totally destroy a scattered unit.

I don't think the "Scary unit" effect differentiates based on formation. So your cavalry would be scared even if half the spearmen were off having a siesta. And it isn't as if horses can't fight in the midst of spearmen. They just don't like to run into them, which isn't a proper allegory of the game's morale. It would also cause cavalry units in combat with other unit types, say Slingers, to get scared if a few spearmen wandered by close enough. Besides which, why would the fear effect be needed? It isn't as if cavalry have any trouble dying if you charge them straight into a phalanx.

umm but what if you use a hoplitai (regular, ekdromoi, spartiates, or haploi) then it would be greater the damage, let's not talk about bodyguard damage too, and i find it unrealistic, but maybe an EB member can clarify this more properly

~Jirisys (THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! *flies off when a seleukid Somatophylakes Strategou charges to his front)

[A Very Super Market]

umm but what if you use a hoplitai (regular, ekdromoi, spartiates, or haploi) then it would be greater the damage, let's not talk about bodyguard damage too, and i find it unrealistic, but maybe an EB member can clarify this more properly

~Jirisys (THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! *flies off when a seleukid Somatophylakes Strategou charges to his front)

Umm, what are you trying to say? My point is that adding cavalry-scaring action to spearmen is unneccessary because cavalry lose anyways if you blindly charge them into hoplites, and they would become scared in otherwise perfect conditions.

[Ludens]

And horse cavalry somehow seem to have no problem firing missiles even though they are on the move. What do you mean by momentum when it comes to the game? If we're talking about charge, that's just another variable number, right?

True, but they can't fire while in melee. They just get stuck. Anyway: I don't see how this addresses the problem. Chariots should behave differently from cavalry or elephants. Missile cavalry is perhaps closest to how the chariots themselves were used, but that does not simulate their melee power and disruptive ability properly (never mind them being redundant next to cheap missile cavalry). So the team went with elephants. Not perfect either, but now the unit is useful if fragile when properly employed, and the A.I. can get some use out of it too.

Side note: why don't you put the trait "Intimidates cavalry" to the spearmen (especially phalanxes) since horses are reluctant to charge into a wall of spears, just a suggestion

Except that it doesn't work that way. Cavalry should simply not respond to orders to charge into a spear walls. Using a morale penalty will not have that effect: it means that low-morale cav will rout near spearunits (whether these are formed, disorganized or looking another way), while high-quality cav will still charge and a rout a bit earlier.

[antisocialmunky]

I rather just see increased MAD from charging spears or formed infantry.

[vartan]

True, but they can't fire while in melee. They just get stuck. Anyway: I don't see how this addresses the problem. Chariots should behave differently from cavalry or elephants. Missile cavalry is perhaps closest to how the chariots themselves were used, but that does not simulate their melee power and disruptive ability properly (never mind them being redundant next to cheap missile cavalry). So the team went with elephants. Not perfect either, but now the unit is useful if fragile when properly employed, and the A.I. can get some use out of it too.

Thanks. That helps a bit. The problem is obviously a matter of what implications each choice of model base has. Thanks again.

[Apázlinemjó]

Scythed Charioteer reenactor, someone?