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    Quote Originally Posted by intifadanyz View Post
    Thanks Mr. Cute Wolf. Here my suggestion:

    a) Melayu-Sriwj Spearmen (javelin-spears) = Penjurit
    is the usage of the word penjurit here parallel with the units that used word prajurit in Jawa and Pajajaran? If it’s parallel, than ok, we have some connection here…
    true, so they are verivied

    b) Melayu Shock Trooper (double swords) = Tentera Penggempur
    Melayu shock trooper used double sword, how about change it to Pendekar?
    Pendekar, or more rightly "Pandekar" is allready taken by Javanese commoner knights... I remember to read about them, prisoners, former pirates and convicts, that volunteered to fight in the shock troops as a pardon (pangampunan) to their past crimes, mentioned in acehnese articles, but they also mention that Malaysian sultanates also have this kind of pardon system... so I guess they are common shock troops employed that time... (two handed sword is probably only our (sonic and me) interpretation, since it was hard to think you are only given one sword and must go charge the enemy line without a shield or any kind of protection (they said about only wearing simple clothes), and another sentences mentioned that their hands are full of blood (indirectly means that they use both hands to swing different swords - as in Acehnese soldiery, great two handed sword (peusangan) are reserved only for military cadets, and not criminals).

    c) Melayu-Sriwj Mariners (archer-2handed spears) = Tentara Laot (?)
    Hulubalang

    d) Melayu-Sriwj Halberdiers (2handed spear-axes) = Penjurit Tombak-Kapak (?)
    Well, Pengawitan is the name for Melakan infantry equipped with special spear stated in hikayat Hang Tuah. (tombak pengawitan bersampak emas)...
    And in this matter, I must say that I'll stick with tentara anyway, because that was how the Sumateran sea warriors are described. And with Halberdiers, maybe I'll use Pangawitan, as you suggested...

    e) Melayu Ottoman Elite Infantry (archer-scimitars) = Pahlawan Syamisir (?)
    You said that in Babad Tanah Jawi, it was called Bala Kauman?
    The Bala Kauman... was the Half arab swordsmen, they are quite different unit since they are only wearing a swords, the "Ottoman Elite Infantry" are Aceh and Melayu's immitation for Ottoman Janissary... and I think that should be that way.... and because "Kauman means another thing" I'll use Arab instead...

    f) Melayu Heavy Archers (archer-scimitars) = Serdadu Pemanah
    The word serdadu have connotation with Portuguese and scimitars were the influence from middle-east....maybe just used Pemanah or Laskar Pemanah, because the usage of scimitars here.
    Thanks... verivied

    g) Malakan Elite Mariners (javelin-axes) = Hulubalang Laot (?)
    I am not sure, in Hikayat Hang Tuah, there were stated the word perapit, and in other chapter, penjajap
    So we'll stick to the Hulubalang then...

    h) Malakan Royal Swordsmen (longswords) = Bentera Istana (?)
    Bentara

    i) Aiyyah…..so many elephant….Anyway, for the elephant, I think only Melakan Sultan and faction heir and sometimes others royal family members (not all) used elephant, that was: Melayu Royal War Elephants and it was called Gajah Kenaikan.
    Verivied

    Some of the royal members used horse, while the others used Palanquin.ie Paduka Tuan (Melakan Bendahara during reign of Sultan Mahmud Syah) fight Portuguese on the Palanquin, also Sultan Mahmad Syah II (last Johore Sultan from Melakan Sultan lineage) also has been kill on Palanquin. I don't think the commoners used elephant.

    j) Melayu Noble Cav (lances-cavlswords) - Pegawai dan Pertuanan. I think this unit can be made as recruitable general unit

    k) For Acheh, the nobles were called Ulèë Balang. Which unit suited them? Acheh Royal Horsemen or Acehnese Honorary Guards?
    Too bad, the engines can't help in multiple bodyguard units... Maybe for that reason, I'll made recruitable bodyguards on cavalry available... but the default BG unit will be the Elephants....
    The noble cavalry will have their BG version maybe....

    and acehnese Honorary guards will go as "Sahabat Istana" , because Ulee Balang represent broader nobility, and those "Sahabat Istana" are actually palace guardsmen....

    Oh yeah, I forgot to include those unit:
    - Peusangan Askar / Acehnese Cadet Shock Troopers (wielding large two handed sword)
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    ok, prepare for mind boggling post! Hopefully this is final. because I don't found anything to add anymore


    Local name(English name)[weapon]

    wang tani (Civilian) [golok]

    Wado (Sundanese watchmen) [golok]
    Pajurit Tumbak (Sundanese Spearmen) [underarm spear]
    Pajurit Pamanah (Sundanese Archer) [bamboo bow]
    Pajurit Golok (Sundanese Shocktrooper) [golok]
    Pajurit Pĕdang (Sundanese Swordsman)[Sword]

    Jawara (Sundanese Heavy shocktrooper) [golok]
    Bayangkara (Sundanese Elite Watchmen) [underarm spear+javelin]
    Pamanah (Sundanese Elite Archer) [bamboo war bow+golok]
    Pamarang (Sundanese Elite Swordsmen) [sword]
    *Pajurit Angklung (Sundanese Music Corps)[WAR MUSIC!] *don't laugh,its historical!*

    Balamati Pamanah (Sundanese Royal Archer) [bamboo war bow+golok]
    Balamati Pamarang (Sundanese Royal Swordsman) [swords]
    Balamati Kujang Jago (Sundanese Royal Bladesman) [kujang jago]
    Balamati Tumpak Kuda (Sundanese Royal Cavalry) [javelin+spear]
    Kasatrya Pamanah Puragabaya (Sundanese Warrior-Priest Archer)[Bamboo war bow+dual wield golok]
    Kasatrya Pamarang Puragabaya (Sundanese Warrior-Priest Swordsman)[dual wield sword]
    Kasatrya Kuda Puragabaya (Sundanese Warrior-Priest Cavalry)[kujang pangarak+ dual wield sword]

    Pamuk (Sundanese Hero)[longsword+bamboo warbow]
    Kareta Kuda (Sundanese Chariot)[one man with bamboo warbow, one man with spear, one driver]
    #Pajurit Gajah Siliwangi (Sundanese Elephant Bodyguard) [spear+javelin]

    regional:
    Bandrang Keraton(Cirebonan Spearmen)[two handed spear]
    Pamanah Gerak Cepat Surosowan(Surosuwan elite Archer)[bamboo warbow]
    Pasukan Gerak Cepat Surosowan(Surosowan elite spearmen)[twohanded spear]
    Pamarang Gerak Cepat Surosowan(Surosowan Elite Swordsman)[poisoned golok]
    Jawara Ciomas (Ciomas Fighter)[poisoned golok]
    Pajurit Kuda Windu (Windu Cavalry) [spear+javelin]
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Bonus: Baladia Onom Galuh(Betrayer Army) [anything] *its like Dead man of Dunnharrow*


    PS:I know that Gerak Cepat sound silly(myself always laugh when hear it) but its historical. some say it is the special forces that open Pajajaran mighty gate.
    PS:Banten golok was more lethal than Priangan Golok and Pesisir Golok, because it use poison during making process.
    PS:# Bodyguard unit
    PS(again): who's Ikazz?
    PS(I think to many PS here): Pajajaran unit at forumotion haven't updated.
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    Ikazz is Juragan Bata, sonic's historical contact I think....

    and I will definitely try to reduce some of it that was tad too many.... the similar units (with only little differences in either weaponary or battle usage) could be merged...

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    Default Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post

    Pendekar, or more rightly "Pandekar" is allready taken by Javanese commoner knights... I remember to read about them, prisoners, former pirates and convicts, that volunteered to fight in the shock troops as a pardon (pangampunan) to their past crimes, mentioned in acehnese articles, but they also mention that Malaysian sultanates also have this kind of pardon system... so I guess they are common shock troops employed that time... (two handed sword is probably only our (sonic and me) interpretation, since it was hard to think you are only given one sword and must go charge the enemy line without a shield or any kind of protection (they said about only wearing simple clothes), and another sentences mentioned that their hands are full of blood (indirectly means that they use both hands to swing different swords - as in Acehnese soldiery, great two handed sword (peusangan) are reserved only for military cadets, and not criminals).
    Oh I see. In Hikayat Hang Tuah, there were mention the word Hamba Tebusan, Hamba Sahaya, Hamba Raja and Budak Raja to describe the slave.

    Melayu-Sriwj Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin)
    Melayu Royal War Elephants (elephant archers)
    Melayu Iron-Clad War Elephants (elephant-javelin)
    I have found that in the letter of Acheh's Sultan Iskandar Muda to England's King James I stated that His Majesty has very ornamented elephants and hundreds of war elephant (gajah perang):

    ialah raja yang karunia Allah Ta‘ala mengempukan gajah berpakaian mas bepermata belazuardi dan beratus-ratus gajah daripada gajah perang yang berbeluhan besi dan behalap gading besi malila dan berkaus besi dan tembaga;

    he is the king granted by God the possession of elephants caparisoned in gold studded with jewels and lapis-lazuli, and hundreds of elephants for use in war with steel-framed howdahs, their tusks sheathed and tipped in steel and their feet shod in steel and copper;

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