Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

[plutoboyz]

actually Raja or Maharaja is not always tied with Hindu.
How about "Sri Paduka Maharaja" or "Sri Prabu" or "Ratu" (not Indonesian Ratu).



and Cutewolf, as an orthodox muslim. I doubt that "biased" historian was real muslim.

[Cute Wolf]

actually Raja or Maharaja is not always tied with Hindu.
How about "Sri Paduka Maharaja" or "Sri Prabu" or "Ratu" (not Indonesian Ratu).



and Cutewolf, as an orthodox muslim. I doubt that "biased" historian was real muslim.

that was the fact of several hindu rulers, who recorded as rebel, instead of legitimate rulers by muslim sources, where hindu and or european sources said that was legitimate rulers... oh yeah, those "biased" historian was really muslim... (no religious offense intended), look at hikayat wali songo then...

EDIT : they did wrote that there was hindu kings or rulers as sucessor to muslim rulers... but they always stressed them as either tyrant, incompetent, or rebellious rulers... we must admit that something must be going wrong... (did you believe that all hindu rulers after some period of muslim rule eastablishments... all are tyrant and incompetent?)

[plutoboyz]

that was the fact of several hindu rulers, who recorded as rebel, instead of legitimate rulers by muslim sources, where hindu and or european sources said that was legitimate rulers... oh yeah, those "biased" historian was really muslim... (no religious offense intended), look at hikayat wali songo then...

EDIT : they did wrote that there was hindu kings or rulers as sucessor to muslim rulers... but they always stressed them as either tyrant, incompetent, or rebellious rulers... we must admit that something must be going wrong... (did you believe that all hindu rulers after some period of muslim rule eastablishments... all are tyrant and incompetent?)

I mean they are muslim who do not learn Islam from Quran. propaganda also play some role on spreading religion.

and also, ancient historian have their own agenda. example; the greeks and the word "barbarian"

and I can't judge whether they are Evil or Good. I never live during their reign.

[Cute Wolf]

I mean they are muslim who do not learn Islam from Quran. propaganda also play some role on spreading religion.

and also, ancient historian have their own agenda. example; the greeks and the word "barbarian"

and I can't judge whether they are Evil or Good. I never live during their reign.

ok, ok... forget about some lengthy religious debate, let's going back to the titles and offices discussion.... what did you suggest if your muslim sultan have a heir who was a hindu? (put aside made anyone else as heir, killing him, or declare him as outlaw, we need to think of the offices name after some peaceful religion shift....)

[plutoboyz]

ok, ok... forget about some lengthy religious debate, let's going back to the titles and offices discussion.... what did you suggest if your muslim sultan have a heir who was a hindu? (put aside made anyone else as heir, killing him, or declare him as outlaw, we need to think of the offices name after some peaceful religion shift....)

hmm... Raja or Maharaja. because Raja is already adopted as Indonesian and Malay language. some Muslim Ruler also use Raja or Maharaja.

[Cute Wolf]

so, I think (because of limitation, and yeah, not only aceh, but some other sultanates have sultan of sultan titles, such as Sultan of Belitong are vassal of the Sultan of Palembang) we should made this generalization this much....

Faction leader got:
- if he was a muslim : Sultan (and taken as ephitet)
- If he was not a muslim : Maharaja (and taken as ephitet)

Governmental offices:
- if he was a muslim, and rule the historical Sultanate seat : Sultan Bla-bla-bla (offices only, not ephitet)
- if he was a muslim, but not rule the historical Sultanate seat : Raja Bla-bla-bla
- if he wasn't a muslim : Raja Bla-bla-bla...

[plutoboyz]

How about the Hindu one?

[Nyz]

In Sejarah Melayu, the gun user was called Pegawai Istinggar. Used by Sultanate of Johor after the fall of Melaka to face Portuguese. But I am not sure wheather they were skirmisher, regular or elite, but the word Pegawai have connotation with middle class soldier.

BTW, the Turkish soldier in Acheh were called by Tuskish names or Acheh names?

of course we know that sultan of Rum, means turks, because if we go letter for letter, Jirisys might be confused

~Jirisys (You are not confused, do you?)

[Rahwana]

calling them "tentera rum" will cause confusion...