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    After much re-reading arguments, articles, reviewing discussions, and taking into consideration of BOTH similar equipped and called units (so no more "hey, both of this units is called prajurit tumbak, they are equipped much the same, but why are two of them? the sundanese and javanese headgear is only a skin-deep portayal, no need to create another model nor another unit), reducing the overcrowding lists of elephants and chariots (dang! we could made most of them regionals)... so this is the unit lists...

    Melayu (aceh-melaka)

    factional (non gunpowder) infantry:
    Melayu Watchmen (tombak) = Orang Berkawal
    Melayu-Sriwj City Guards (archer-golok) = Pengawal Kota
    Acehnese Swordsmen Militia (pedang) = Laskar Aceh
    Malaka-Sriwj Spearmen (javelin-tombak) = Penjurit
    Melayu Shock Trooper (double scimitar) = Tentera Penggempur
    Melayu-Sriwj Mariners (archer-2handed tombak) = Tentera Laot
    Melayu-Sriwj Pikemen (pike-golok) = Pertikaman
    Melayu-Sriwj Halberdiers (2handed spear-axes) = Pangawitan
    Acehnese Heavy Infantry (pedang) = Laskar Pedeung
    Acehnese Cadet Shock Troopers (2handed peusangan) = Peusangan Askar
    Melayu Heavy Archers (archer-scimitars) = Laskar Pemanah
    Malakan Elite Mariners (javelin-kapak) = Hulubalang Laot
    Melayu-Palemb-Bintr Arab Swordsmen (scimitars) = Laskar Arab
    Melayu Ottoman Elite Infantry (archer-scimitars) = Sayyidi Arab
    Malakan Royal Swordsmen (keris panjang) = Bentara Istana
    Acehnese Honorary Guards (javelin-kapak) = Sahabat Istana


    factional cavalry:
    Melayu-Sriwj Militia Cav (cavjav-lancers) = Penunggang Kuda
    Melayu-Sriwj Light Cav (lancers-cavmaces) = Kuda Perang
    Melayu Noble Cav (lances-cavlswords) = Pegawai Dan Pertuanan
    Melayu Turkish Cav (cavarchers-cavscimitars)
    Acehnese Royal Horsemen (cavmaces) = Ulee Balang
    Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
    Melayu Royal War Elephants (elephant archers) = Gajah Perang Melayu


    gunpowder units:
    Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub)
    Melayu Regular Gunners (gun-golok)
    Melayu Turkish Gunners (gun-scimitars)
    Melayu-Palembang Sultan's Royal Gunners (gun-scimitars)


    Bodyguard:
    Melayu Bodyguards (elephant archers) = Gajah Kenaikan


    Jawi (Bintara-Majapahit):

    factional (non-gunpowder) infantry:
    Javanese-Sundanese Peasants (sickles) = Tani
    Javanese Militia (tombak) = Kroco
    Javanese Watchmen (archer-golok) = Jogo Karyo
    Java-Sunda Feudal Spearmen (javelin-overhead tombak) = Prajurit Tumbak
    Javanese Feudal Swordsmen (parang) = Prajurit Pamedhang
    Java-Sunda Feudal Archers (archer-golok) = Prajurit Panah
    Bintara Pikemen (pike-keris) = Tentoro Tumbak Dowo
    Majapahit Axemen (2handed kapak) = Prajurit Kampak Blambangan
    Melayu-Palemb-Bintr Arab Swordsmen (scimitars) = Laskar Arab
    Javanese "Saka" Heavy Spearmen (overhead tombakkeris) = Pagerwesi
    Majapahit Armoured Macemen (gada) = Prajurit Godhowesi
    Javanese Knights / Pendekar (2handed keris swords) = Pandhekar
    Bintara Sultan's Chinese Guards (crossbow-scimitar) = Punggawa Cino
    Javanese Noble Knights / Satria (keris panjang) = Satrio
    Majapahit Royal Shadowguards (overhead tombakkeris) = Bhayangkara


    Factional Cavalry:
    Javanese Raider-Scouts (cavarchers-cavshortswords) = Telik Sandi
    Javanese Feudal Cavalry (cavarchers-cavlswords) = Prajurit Tumpak Jaran
    Javanese Noble Cataphract (cavarchers-cavlswords) = Turanggawesi
    Javanese Cataphract Lancers (lancers-cavlswords) = Satriyo Turanggawesi
    Javanese Elite Cataphracts (cavarchers-lancers) = Satriyo Priyayi
    Javanese Chariots (chariot-archers) = Kreto Tempur
    Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
    Javanese Armoured War Elephantss (elephant-javelin) = Gajah Wesi


    Gunpowder Units:
    Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub)
    Javanese Gunners (gun-keris)
    Bintara-Palembang Royal Chinese Gunners (gun-dao)
    Majapahit-Sriwijaya-Sunda Noble Handgunners (gun-parang)


    Bodyguards:
    Javanese Cataphract Bodyguards (cavarchers-kerislancers) = Punggawa Turanggawesi


    Pajajaran:

    factional (non gunpowder) infantry:
    Javanese-Sundanese Peasants (sickles) = Tani
    Sundanese Watchmen (golok) = Wado
    Java-Sunda Feudal Spearmen (javelin-overhead tombak) = Prajurit Tumbak
    Java-Sunda Feudal Archers (archer-golok) = Prajurit Panah
    Sundanese Feudal Swordsmen (parang) = Pamarang
    Sundanese Elite Watchmen (javelin-tombak) = Bayangkara
    Sundanese Euro-Armoured Swordsmen (longswords) = Prajurit Bajubesi
    Sundanese Royal Spearmen (tombakkujang) = Balamati
    Sundanese Royal Bladesmen (javelin-kujang) = Balamati Kujang
    Sundanese Jawara (double golok) = Jawara
    Sundanese Warrior-Priest Swordsmen (parang) = Kasatrya Pamarang Purgabaya
    Sundanese Warrior-Priest Bladesmen (javelin-kujang) = Kasatrya Kujang Purgabaya
    Sundanese Elite Warrior-Priest (2handed tombakkujang) = Kasatrya Purgabaya


    factional cavalry:
    Sundanese Light Cavalry (cavjav-lancers) = Prajurit Tumpak Kuda
    Sundanese Royal Horsemen (cavparang) = Balamati Tumpak Kuda
    Sundanese Warrior-Priest Cav (cavjav-kujanglancers) = Kasatrya Kuda Purgabaya
    Sundanese Chariot (chariot-archers) = Kereta Kuda
    Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
    Sundanese War Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Pasukan Gajah Siliwangi


    gunpowder units:
    Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub)
    Sundanese Euro-Armoured Gunners (gun-longswords)
    Majapahit-Sriwijaya-Sunda Noble Handgunners (gun-parang)


    Bodyguards:
    Sundanese WarPri Cav Bodyguards (cavjav-kujanglancers) = Pengawal Purgabaya



    South Sumatera (Palembang-Sriwijaya)

    factional (non-gunpowder) infantry:
    Sriwj Town Watch (pedang) = Penjaga Kota
    Melayu-Sriwj City Guards (archer-golok) = Pengawal Kota
    Sriwj Skirmishers (javelin-overhead tombak) = Pelempar Lembing
    Malaka-Sriwj Spearmen (javelin-tombak) = Penjurit
    Sriwj Axe Soldiers (javelin-kapak) = Tentara Kapak
    Sriwj Light Infantry (javelin-kukhri) = Tentara Sriwijaya
    Sriwj Crossbowmen (crossbow-golok) = Pembidik
    Melayu-Sriwj Mariners (archer-2handed tombak) = Tentera Laot
    Melayu-Sriwj Pikemen (pike-golok) = Pertikaman
    Melayu-Sriwj Halberdiers (2handed spear-axes) = Pangawitan
    Melayu-Palemb-Bintr Arab Swordsmen (scimitars) = Laskar Arab
    Sriwj Elite Mariners (pedang panjang) = Pelaut Sriwijaya
    Sriwijaya Elite Light Infantry (javelin-kukhri) = Kesatria Kukri
    Palembang Palace Guards (keris panjang) = Pengawal Istana
    Sriwijaya Black Lotus (2handed tombak) = Teratai Hitam


    Factional Cavalry:
    Melayu-Sriwj Militia Cav (cavjav-lancers) = Penunggang Kuda
    Melayu-Sriwj Light Cav (lancers-cavmaces) = Kuda Perang
    Sriwj Noble Cavalry (cavjav-kerislancers) = Prajurit Bangsawan
    Sriwj Royal Cavalry (kerislancers-cavkapak) = Prajurit Kuda Istana
    Sriwijayan Chariots (chariot-javelins) = Kereta Perang
    Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
    Sriwijayan War Elephants (elephant-archers) = Gajah Perang Sumatera


    Gunpowder Units:
    Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub)
    Sriwj Indian Gunners (gun-scimitar)
    Bintara-Palembang Royal Chinese Gunners (gun-dao)
    Melayu-Palembang Sultan's Royal Gunners (gun-scimitars)
    Majapahit-Sriwijaya-Sunda Noble Handgunners (gun-parang)


    Bodyguards:
    Sriwj Bodyguards (lancers-cavaxes) = Pengawal Berkuda

    EDIT : Stats will be updated later

    well.... similar names, means they are one unit indeed... (kembali ngerjain TA... huhuhu)
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    Default Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

    I have correct something.
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    Pajajaran:

    factional (non gunpowder) infantry:
    Javanese-Sundanese Peasants (sickles) = Tani
    Sundanese Watchmen (golok) = Wado
    Java-Sunda Feudal Spearmen (javelin-overhead tombak) = Prajurit Tumbak
    Java-Sunda Feudal Archers (archer-golok) = Prajurit Panah
    Sundanese Feudal Swordsmen (parang) = Pamarang
    Sundanese Elite Watchmen (javelin-tombak) = Bayangkara
    Sundanese Jawara (double golok) = Jawara
    Sundanese Euro-Armoured Swordsmen (longswords) = Pajurit Bajubesi
    Sundanese Royal Spearmen (tombakkujang) = Balamati
    Sundanese Royal Bladesmen (javelin-kujang) = Balamati Kujang
    Sundanese Warrior-Priest Swordsmen (parang) = Kasatrya Pamarang Purgabaya
    Sundanese Warrior-Priest Bladesmen (javelin-kujang) = Kasatrya Kujang Purgabaya
    Sundanese Elite Warrior-Priest (2handed tombakkujang) = Kasatrya Purgabaya


    factional cavalry:
    Sundanese Light Cavalry (cavjav-lancers) = Pajurit Tumpak Kuda
    Sundanese Royal Horsemen (cavparang) = Balamati Tumpak Kuda
    Sundanese Warrior-Priest Cav (cavjav-kujanglancers) = Kasatrya Kuda Purgabaya
    Sundanese Chariot (chariot-archers) = Kareta Kuda Perang (actually it can engage in melee combat as well, like chinese chariot.)
    Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah(better remove)
    Sundanese War Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Pajurit Gajah Siliwangi


    gunpowder units:
    Generic Gun Skirmishers (gun-gunclub)
    Sundanese Euro-Armoured Gunners (gun-longswords)
    Majapahit-Sriwijaya-Sunda Noble Handgunners (gun-parang)


    Bodyguards:
    Sundanese WarPri Cav Bodyguards (cavjav-kujanglancers) = Pangawal Purgabaya or Pangawal Sang Hulu Jurit



    btw, are Bintara and Majapahit army really same? I thought it was different.
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    what? you must never heard what your teacher says in history subjects... Kesultanan Demak are founded by Majapahit Muslim prince, "Raden Patah", who coordination with "wali songo" caused a significant portion of Majapahit army to embrace Islam, and support Demak instead... So that's why they are essentially same army type, with minor variants in elite units (Raden Patah and Wali Songo are Muslim Chinese, so it was not surprising, when the recent scroll translations shown that Demak employs sizeable numbers of Chinese (muslim) soldiers. While majapahit still stucked with older style soldiers, like macemen, and axemen, which was still very intimidating due to their prowess, and the later axemen employs war tattos made of human (enemy) blood)

    well, and the "forest worker elephants" are esentially local elephant forces, pressed to serve in war..... better not to remove them... as they are generic unit for every native factions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    what? you must never heard what your teacher says in history subjects... Kesultanan Demak are founded by Majapahit Muslim prince, "Raden Patah", who coordination with "wali songo" caused a significant portion of Majapahit army to embrace Islam, and support Demak instead... So that's why they are essentially same army type, with minor variants in elite units (Raden Patah and Wali Songo are Muslim Chinese, so it was not surprising, when the recent scroll translations shown that Demak employs sizeable numbers of Chinese (muslim) soldiers. While majapahit still stucked with older style soldiers, like macemen, and axemen, which was still very intimidating due to their prowess, and the later axemen employs war tattos made of human (enemy) blood)

    well, and the "forest worker elephants" are esentially local elephant forces, pressed to serve in war..... better not to remove them... as they are generic unit for every native factions
    I do listen my teacher. but what I meant is that Demak, is one of most technologically advanced army along with Aceh, Melaka and Banten. there must be a significant difference between Majapahit and Demak.

    btw, I don't see Balamati Pamanah? Removed? and about Pamarang, because their name is pamarang doesn't mean they carry Parang. they carry sword(Pědang).

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    Quote Originally Posted by plutoboyz View Post
    I do listen my teacher. but what I meant is that Demak, is one of most technologically advanced army along with Aceh, Melaka and Banten. there must be a significant difference between Majapahit and Demak.

    btw, I don't see Balamati Pamanah? Removed? and about Pamarang, because their name is pamarang doesn't mean they carry Parang. they carry sword(Pědang).
    They can train pikemen, while Majapahit can't
    They can train disciplined Arab Swordsmen, while Majapahit can't
    They can train chinese gunners and elite guards (w crossbows), while Majapahit can't
    And I not yet updated the artillery, but Majapahit will only get a few, while Demak had second best full acess of Artillery after Aceh... (discounting Europeans)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    They can train pikemen, while Majapahit can't
    They can train disciplined Arab Swordsmen, while Majapahit can't
    They can train chinese gunners and elite guards (w crossbows), while Majapahit can't
    And I not yet updated the artillery, but Majapahit will only get a few, while Demak had second best full acess of Artillery after Aceh... (discounting Europeans)
    Thats what I mean. you merge the list, confuse me. btw, Why Jawi? Jawi is Malaysian Arab Abjad. and where is trisula warrior? Sriwijaya known for It's Trisula User.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plutoboyz View Post
    Thats what I mean. you merge the list, confuse me. btw, Why Jawi? Jawi is Malaysian Arab Abjad. and where is trisula warrior? Sriwijaya known for It's Trisula User.
    I'm affraid you are mistaken about Jawi... ancient Javanese called the greater jawa as Jawi... and remember that one of the primary sources are "Babad Tanah Jawi"

    And about Trisula? I know it, but it was more ceremonial (and assasination-related) nature than battle worthy... a dagger which only had a small section of sharpened tip, no more than 30 cm in blade length, and the proper user must put his middle and index fingers in the grip. I think their nobles will carry it on their armour as backup, but an't be portayed in real battle sequences...

    And if you may argue that will be longer variation for battle, I will said that put aside Strict Palembang and Pasemah Area, there was no evidence of widespread trisula weaponary... perhaps we could use them as regionals? (but definitely not with 30 cm blade)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    Melayu (aceh-melaka)
    factional cavalry:
    Melayu-Sriwj Militia Cav (cavjav-lancers) = Penunggang Kuda
    Well, I suggest the phrase "Gembala Kuda" (Horse Herdsman), because:

    a) The term Gembala Kuda and Gembala Gajah appear in Hikayat Hang Tuah as the trainer of war horses and war elephants.

    b) Although herdsman associated with civilian, horse herdsman and elephant herdsman / mahout were special in Malay society because they were not like cow herdsman, goat herdsman and shepherd (they trained horse and elephant for war and vehicle, while cow herdsman, goat herdsman and shepherd rear cow and goat for livestock, and buffaloes to plough the paddy-field. Horses are too expensive to become livestock.)

    c) Well, they are militia cavalry, originally as civilian, then become soldier at time of emergency.


    Native Forest Worker Elephants (elephant-javelin) = Prajurit Gajah
    I suggest the phrase "Gembala Gajah" (mahout) because of above reasons.

    A part of Gembala Kuda and Gembala Gajah, the term Penghulu Kuda and Penghulu Gajah also appeared in Hikayat Acheh, they were royal trainer of war horses and elephants in Acheh court.


    Melayu Turkish Cav (cavarchers-cavscimitars)
    Well, I only found the term Kuda Tizi Peperangan (swift horse of war) from the letter of Acheh's Sultan and Sultanah, it said that the horse breed was imported from various places, especially middle-east:

    ...ialah raja yang karunia Allah Ta‘ala mengempukan kuda berpakaian mas bepermata belazuardi dan beratus2 kuda tizi peperangan yang seru jenis daripada jenis Arabi dan Rumi dan Turki dan Kuci dan Lahur dan Abaya dan Tongkin dan Gudh

    (he is the king granted by God the possession of horses caparisoned in gold studded with jewels and lapis-lazuli and hundreds of swift horses for use in war, of all kinds of stock, Arab and Rumi (Byzantine) and Turkish and Cochin and Lahore and Abaya and Tongkin and Gudh)
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    I think the word "gembala" are rather melayu only words... because the Javanese also share that kind of unit (who'll not using elephants in war when available, even when barely trained for war?)

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    hey,
    after watching a NatGeo Doc.
    Malaysians use Special Warriors: Silat Men to Resist Enemy Invasions
    maybe it will help as one Special Unit in this mod?


    Quote Originally Posted by intifadanyz View Post
    Well, I suggest the phrase "Gembala Kuda" (Horse Herdsman), because:

    a) The term Gembala Kuda and Gembala Gajah appear in Hikayat Hang Tuah as the trainer of war horses and war elephants.

    b) Although herdsman associated with civilian, horse herdsman and elephant herdsman / mahout were special in Malay society because they were not like cow herdsman, goat herdsman and shepherd (they trained horse and elephant for war and vehicle, while cow herdsman, goat herdsman and shepherd rear cow and goat for livestock, and buffaloes to plough the paddy-field. Horses are too expensive to become livestock.)

    c) Well, they are militia cavalry, originally as civilian, then become soldier at time of emergency.




    I suggest the phrase "Gembala Gajah" (mahout) because of above reasons.

    A part of Gembala Kuda and Gembala Gajah, the term Penghulu Kuda and Penghulu Gajah also appeared in Hikayat Acheh, they were royal trainer of war horses and elephants in Acheh court.




    Well, I only found the term Kuda Tizi Peperangan (swift horse of war) from the letter of Acheh's Sultan and Sultanah, it said that the horse breed was imported from various places, especially middle-east:

    ...ialah raja yang karunia Allah Ta‘ala mengempukan kuda berpakaian mas bepermata belazuardi dan beratus2 kuda tizi peperangan yang seru jenis daripada jenis Arabi dan Rumi dan Turki dan Kuci dan Lahur dan Abaya dan Tongkin dan Gudh

    (he is the king granted by God the possession of horses caparisoned in gold studded with jewels and lapis-lazuli and hundreds of swift horses for use in war, of all kinds of stock, Arab and Rumi (Byzantine) and Turkish and Cochin and Lahore and Abaya and Tongkin and Gudh)
    Kuda Tizi are maybe Malay Cataphracts, so, keeping Cataphracts will maybe, Easen the work
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    I never seen such like Melayu Horse Armour in the museum... perhaps you allready see about them?... hmm....

    well, Melayu and Javanese nobility are descendants of (ancient Sriwijayan) Saka Rulers afterall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    I never seen such like Melayu Horse Armour in the museum... perhaps you allready see about them?... hmm....

    well, Melayu and Javanese nobility are descendants of (ancient Sriwijayan) Saka Rulers afterall...
    Not rlly....
    But, I think not. Javanese and Malay are too lowly to have heavy armor. And the large Euro Horses, they don't fit in
    But about the Silatmen, they do exist.
    Back to the cataphracts:
    It's a Chronicle, and
    "Di lebay-lebayin" namanya juga kisah, fiktif belaka. Masa armor emas, gila aja kalee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Septimus Severus View Post
    Not rlly....
    But, I think not. Javanese and Malay are too lowly to have heavy armor. And the large Euro Horses, they don't fit in
    But about the Silatmen, they do exist.
    Back to the cataphracts:
    It's a Chronicle, and
    "Di lebay-lebayin" namanya juga kisah, fiktif belaka. Masa armor emas, gila aja kalee
    please speak english in the forge.... because Jiri, Finn, and Skull won't understood Indo-Malayan

    well, it was not a gold armour, it was actually gold-like steel armour coated with brass... but the King's horse in majapahit times DID have the golden Cataphract armour (look about Jayanegara), it wan't a fiction because the Trowulan museum indeed have the golden Cataphract armour....

    of course, they are usually steel coated with brass, with some flexible area made of lacquered wood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Septimus Severus View Post
    Not rlly....
    But, I think not. Javanese and Malay are too lowly to have heavy armor. And the large Euro Horses, they don't fit in
    But about the Silatmen, they do exist.
    Back to the cataphracts:
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    "Di lebay-lebayin" namanya juga kisah, fiktif belaka. Masa armor emas, gila aja kalee
    its not gold, gold give less protection compared to steel. it was steel coated with gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cute Wolf View Post
    I never seen such like Melayu Horse Armour in the museum... perhaps you allready see about them?... hmm....

    well, Melayu and Javanese nobility are descendants of (ancient Sriwijayan) Saka Rulers afterall...
    actually not all Javanese Royal families are descendant of Indo-Saka. Majapahit Family are descendant of Sunda Family. Sunda from Tarumanagara,Tarumanagara from Salakanagara and Salakanagara from Salankayana

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    Well, some historian said Kerajaan Kedah Tua and Gangga Negara founded by Kambuja Mahajanapada royal families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plutoboyz View Post
    actually not all Javanese Royal families are descendant of Indo-Saka. Majapahit Family are descendant of Sunda Family. Sunda from Tarumanagara,Tarumanagara from Salakanagara and Salakanagara from Salankayana
    but Majapahit sources claim they are direct descendants of Singosari, which in turns out paternally, Ken Arok was actually grandchild of former Raja Jenggala, which in turns -> Airlangga -> Mataram Hindu -> Dinasti Samaratungga -> Sriwijaya -> Penyerbuan Ajisaka ke Jawadwipa / Medang Kamulan (sumatera dan Jawa)....

    if we look further, Aji Saka's father was named Rudrosena.... which very2 coincidental with Rudhrasena line of the Saka kingdoms in India... and Never forget that the story of ancient "javanese kingdoms long time ago" taken on place of Nagara Saka, Nagara Daha, Nagara Yina, and Nagara Sabrang (could be translated into Saka, Daha, Yuezhi?, and Sauromatae)

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