So, I am the only one thinking things are going downhill in Europe?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

The cop on the left at 04:19 looks like my dad!

[Rhyfelwyr]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Why is the girl in the hijab swearing? How unfemenine. Come to think of it, why is she even in an educational facility? There's work in the kitchen that needs doing...

Hypocritical Muslims...

[Fragony]

Hypocrite Swedes imho

[Husar]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

Well, yes and no.

How is that film an enrichment to any culture? I don't care whether the guy calls himself some newfangled modern film artist or whatever, he mixed muslim symbology with pictures of gay people and that gay.bar song and then expected them to appreciate it?
What a fool...seriously...
It's like showing an audience of Christians The Life of Brian, might be lucky if they're christian only on paper but if they take their religion seriously they will hardly appreciate it.
There will probably be less middle-eastern macho-posing, violence and bad words than you get with these muslims, but then again in certain areas in the US you might find that just as well.

Which still doesn't change the fact that a lot of it seems way out of place, there are actually enrichments to be found with foreign people, but you're not going to find them by insulting their religious beliefs.

[Ironside]

Well, yes and no.

How is that film an enrichment to any culture? I don't care whether the guy calls himself some newfangled modern film artist or whatever, he mixed muslim symbology with pictures of gay people and that gay.bar song and then expected them to appreciate it?
What a fool...seriously...
It's like showing an audience of Christians The Life of Brian, might be lucky if they're christian only on paper but if they take their religion seriously they will hardly appreciate it.
There will probably be less middle-eastern macho-posing, violence and bad words than you get with these muslims, but then again in certain areas in the US you might find that just as well.

Which still doesn't change the fact that a lot of it seems way out of place, there are actually enrichments to be found with foreign people, but you're not going to find them by insulting their religious beliefs.

That movie is made of an Iranian woman (Sooreh Hera) and was showed here in the context of what the borders of freedom of speech lies. He did start with pictures provoking Christianity, which were appearently fine by these people. Short story, they went there so they could be offended by an artist who only did this because of the massive reaction of a previous picture from him (Muhammad as a roundabout dog).

The true irony is that these attemts to shut him up makes him more famous than ever and making this stuff going to the mainstream headlines instead of being something barely commented on and missed by almost everyone not searching it out.

Can be noted that he was exposed for attemted arson today (he wasn't home and the fire self-died). That religious elements is certainly overdoing it.

[Hax]

The true irony is that these attemts to shut him up makes him more famous than ever and making this stuff going to the mainstream headlines instead of being something barely commented on and missed by almost everyone not searching it out.

That's pretty much true. I wouldn't be surprised if Salman Rushdie sent Ayatollah Khomeini a personal letter expressing his gratitute, after the latter ordered a fatwa against him. I read "The Satanic Verses" and it's a horrible book, and it hardly even references Muhammed, and when it did, it was in some sort of weird dream sequence..thingie. The only people it could possibly offend are people who like easy books.

[Fragony]

Yeah and I bet it were hired actors, they will do anything to stigmatize.

[Meneldil]

The most tragic part of this thread is that none could spell Meneldil correctly. Trully saddening.

In other news (couldn't check the forum much because of my new job), I haven't changed my mind in the last two weeks. And I still find the arguments put forward by the proponents of multiculturalism worthless.

Every new day, I witness new cases of arab scums acting like scums, while the 'white' population pretends to look away or stares at her feet. I've also learnt that the word "française" when used by an arab or a black means "slut". How charming. I knew they had bad names to call us with (and so do we), but that's bringing it to a whole new level. This macho-man retard culture assimilates white women in general to sluts, to objects, not even worthy of respect. That's bringing racism to a whole new level of stupidity.
When the majority feels abused by the minority, something is going wrong, really wrong. The image of the "arab-scum-with-his-kniff-and-his-twelve-friends" is so deeply rooted in our mind that we are paralyzed by fear.

What is the point of all this? How could we build a peaceful or even functional society like this?

@Louis, I don't have much problem with West Africans. There's not a lot of them in Montpellier (unlike Paris), and those who come here are mostly well educated foreign students, who generally agree that african youth living in France are rotten and deserve some good asskicking.

@MegasMatuselah, multiculturalism working in Canada? That's funny, coming from someone who complains about the evil imperialistic racist canadian state every second post. From someone who lives in a country where natives are dying because of alcoholism and poverty and where different ethnicities never deal with eachothers, except when it comes to fighting at the exit of a club on a saturday night. Canada was never a nation (in the sociological meaning) to begin with, your multiculturalist model isn't working and never did, hence why Québecers rightfully reject it. Your country have failed when it came to minorities, even more so than the US, and I'm sad to see that France is slowly heading the same way: a giant place where people of different skin colors live in different neighborhood, hate eachother or at best try to ignore eachothers. That's not what a country is supposed to be.

[rotorgun]

It's almost time to bring back dueling. If some dude, black or white, Christian or Muslim, Lithuanian or not would have called my sister or my date a whore, I would have walked across the street and socked him on the yapper so that his lips would be sore for a week or more. I probably would have had a few choice remarks about his family lineage as well. I judge people one at a time, but can appreciate how difficult it can be to adjust to a new culture.

[Vladimir]

Yep, going downhill, Sweden 2010

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9485...n_restecp.html

Leftist people know that it is an enrichment to our culture, but I am not 100% sure if that is the truth.

That video is a blatant provocation and says as much about the person who made it as does the crowd.

It's difficult to respect people who blatantly mock the deeply held beliefs of others.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think it's just human nature that we identify most with people that are like us, so the multicultural society will never work. People are never going to live in a society full of different cultures that actually integrate with each other while at the same time keeping their cultural distinctiveness.

One of two things will happen. Either the minority culture will be gradually assimilated into that of the majority, or there will keep their separate ways and relations will continue to deteriorate.

Whether or not they can be assimilated depends on how similar they are. Culture might be the main factor, but in reality I suspect skin tone really does make a big difference on a subconcious level.

And even then the cultural compatablity is more complex that you might think. For example, why do Indian's integrate OK, but no Arabs?

Also, Meneldil, on that point you made regarding Qeuebecers rejecting multi-culturalism, I'm not sure how true that is. Certainly it was in the past, but even since their Quiet Revolution back in the 60's they've been going the for the soppy civic 'everyone that lives in x is nationality x' type approach, much the same way as Scottish nationalist have.

[gaelic cowboy]

For example, why do Indian's integrate OK, but no Arabs?

I would imagine in the past it was because of the socio-economic grouping most Indians belonged too they were generally a doctor or hospital consultant at least in the past.

There is also a theory I heard once that the more gods you have in your beliefs the less important any one particular god becomes handy if your interacting with monotheist westerners

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, yes and no.

How is that film an enrichment to any culture? I don't care whether the guy calls himself some newfangled modern film artist or whatever, he mixed muslim symbology with pictures of gay people and that gay.bar song and then expected them to appreciate it?
What a fool...seriously...
It's like showing an audience of Christians The Life of Brian, might be lucky if they're christian only on paper but if they take their religion seriously they will hardly appreciate it.
There will probably be less middle-eastern macho-posing, violence and bad words than you get with these muslims, but then again in certain areas in the US you might find that just as well.

Which still doesn't change the fact that a lot of it seems way out of place, there are actually enrichments to be found with foreign people, but you're not going to find them by insulting their religious beliefs.

Well, the film itself is not the art. The actual art is the thing Frag linked to, the image of a bunch of Swedish Muslims, speaking Swedish with an Arab accent, chanting obcenities, calling people pigs, and threatening violence. Normally I would say the artist's production piece was just pointlessly offensive and crass, but it got exactly the reaction it was supposed to from those people.

That was the point, to see apparently "normal" people in a university setting (that looks to be a lecture theatre) react like barbarians.

If something similar happened with Christians most of them would just walk out in disgust.

The Life of Brian is, btw the way Killingly funny if you are a Christian, know your history and theology, and actually bother to watch it. The people who initially complained never actually watched the film.

[A Nerd]

I think integration is possible under the right circumstances. Just look at the Irish, Germans, Italians and Jews who immigrated to the US during the 19th century. Though their skin tones were very similar to the majority of that time. People were made not to get along, I guess that's just a fact of life.

[rotorgun]

I think integration is possible under the right circumstances. Just look at the Irish, Germans, Italians and Jews who immigrated to the US during the 19th century. Though their skin tones were very similar to the majority of that time. People were made not to get along, I guess that's just a fact of life.

Really...just look at the Backroom. We're ready to knock each other on the head and we can't even see one another! If you don't like the country you move to, or live, in than either work to change it through the political process, or shut up and assimilate. If you can't assimilate than leave.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Really...just look at the Backroom. We're ready to knock each other on the head and we can't even see one another! If you don't like the country you move to, or live, in than either work to change it through the political process, or shut up and assimilate. If you can't assimilate than leave.

....and that goes for the country of your birth tto.

[rotorgun]

....and that goes for the country of your birth tto.

....and there is this option as well. True indeed.

[Megas Methuselah]

@MegasMatuselah, multiculturalism working in Canada? That's funny, coming from someone who complains about the evil imperialistic racist canadian state every second post. From someone who lives in a country where natives are dying because of alcoholism and poverty and where different ethnicities never deal with eachothers, except when it comes to fighting at the exit of a club on a saturday night. Canada was never a nation (in the sociological meaning) to begin with, your multiculturalist model isn't working and never did, hence why Québecers rightfully reject it. Your country have failed when it came to minorities, even more so than the US, and I'm sad to see that France is slowly heading the same way: a giant place where people of different skin colors live in different neighborhood, hate eachother or at best try to ignore eachothers. That's not what a country is supposed to be.

1) Today's common Indigenous issues are largely the effects of Canada's colonial past. To attribute those intergenerational problems to multiculturalism is merely a lack of understanding and show of ignorance on your part and, quite frankly, leaves me insulted.

2) This leaves me insulted because it is this exact celebration of our multiculturalism that is truly begginning to help my people stand up. The gradual re-embracement (or simply embracement) of our treaty rights has, together with social policies and the condemnation of racism, certainly allowed me to advance.

3) Different ethnicities don't have to deal with each other? Where in the hell did you get that from?

4) I never said Canada was a nation and, in fact, have always claimed it was multinational. Contemporary political scientists have been writing about this lately, saying that we must accept the fact that Canada is not only a multicultural country, but a multinational one, as well. This is true in regards to both the First Nations and your own francophone Quebec, as well.

5) Yes, Canada has "failed" with minorities, and is continuing to do so. That's why it's still an ongoing struggle. But with every new generation, more advancement will be made. In my own case, this is particularly true as more and more younger generations of Aboriginal people are finishing advanced education to move into higher employment. Hopefully, as older generations die off, their spite and hatred will go with them.

6) I deny Canada is wholly a segregrated place, though it certainly once was. That aside, who are you to dictate "... what a country is supposed to be" and what it is not be? Has not the study of history proven that people have always been in conflict throughout our existence as a species? Yet my personal life has proven that we can get along. It is a journey to get rid of ancestral prejudices, true, but when I can flirt with a Muslim girl, become close friends with a black, easily interact with whites on a daily basis without feeling the desire to cut them up, begin friendships with people varying from Thai to German, and indeed, even witness first-hand ethnic inter-marriage, then I surely like to believe humanity has a higher destiny than the squabbles you constantly complain about. This sounds hypocritical? Well, let's imagine I'm not the same person my little internet personage makes me out to be. Wouldn't that be nice?

[Husar]

It's almost time to bring back dueling. If some dude, black or white, Christian or Muslim, Lithuanian or not would have called my sister or my date a whore, I would have walked across the street and socked him on the yapper so that his lips would be sore for a week or more. I probably would have had a few choice remarks about his family lineage as well.

Isn't that exactly what we are criticizing as barbaric behaviour here?

The Life of Brian is, btw the way Killingly funny if you are a Christian, know your history and theology, and actually bother to watch it. The people who initially complained never actually watched the film.

I found it funny as well but also felt guilty because of that at the time.

[Fragony]

That video is a blatant provocation and says as much about the person who made it as does the crowd.

It's difficult to respect people who blatantly mock the deeply held beliefs of others.

Screw their religion, if they can't handle that they don't belong in a civilization and should go back to herding goats in the deserts of Backwardstan.

Teeuwen (comedian) says it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOS9vsccJs

I fundamentally believe I am not a pig by the way

Can be noted that he was exposed for attemted arson today (he wasn't home and the fire self-died). That religious elements is certainly overdoing it.

That's not what my sources say

[Megas Methuselah]

-delete post-

[Ironside]

That's not what my sources say

What part? You know something about the 21 year old now arrested for the deed that we don't?

Or do your sources not consider attempted arson as overdoing protests?

[Fragony]

The part where he is setting his own house on fire.

[Ironside]

The part where he is setting his own house on fire.

Getting exposed for something means that someone else were doing it. Religious element is refering to suspected fundies. Bit complicated formulation, but I never claimed that he was doing it to himself.

[Fragony]

Getting exposed for something means that someone else were doing it.

no it doesn't

[Ironside]

no it doesn't

It's a mean word.

Getting exposed to arson is different to getting exposed for (doing) arson.

Which is appearently exactly the mistake I did. Bah, stupid English not having a word without those multiple meanings and having for and to translated to the same word some of the time. "Vilks was getting exposed for arson" is an exact translation of the sentence used in media, but unmistakable in meaning in Swedish.

Anyway, another one got arrested as well. Seems that they left plenty of easily identifiable evidence.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I found it funny as well but also felt guilty because of that at the time.

You shouldn't, unless you have a problem with people criticising Jews for the bloody, pointless, fighting and factionalism against Rome. In case you were wondering, Brian isn't meant to be Jesus, he's a False Prophet, that's why they have his mum at the Sermon on the Mount mis-hearing the beatitides.

It's a mean word.

Getting exposed to arson is different to getting exposed for (doing) arson.

Which is appearently exactly the mistake I did. Bah, stupid English not having a word without those multiple meanings and having for and to translated to the same word some of the time. "Vilks was getting exposed for arson" is an exact translation of the sentence used in media, but unmistakable in meaning in Swedish.

Anyway, another one got arrested as well. Seems that they left plenty of easily identifiable evidence.

You are looking for, "supjected to Arson", or perhaps.... I don't have a non-Latinate word for you, which is likely the problem.

[Fragony]

what's ub

[Moros]

Screw their religion, if they can't handle that they don't belong in a civilization and should go back to herding goats in the deserts of Backwardstan.

Teeuwen (comedian) says it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvOS9vsccJs

I fundamentally believe I am not a pig by the way

Well I bet, Frag knows it, it might be of interest to others. Here we have the same man interviewed by the moslim girls (meiden van halal) he made fun of in their islamic program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knRL...eature=related

Well I'm not such a big fan of the man's comedy, he doesn't give the poor girls a chance. I remember this clip as one of the first things I showed my Islamic girlfriend when we started dating. Yes, I'm overly hounest and stuff when it comes to these things. One of the first conversations I had with her, was about the fact that I indeed could and would get erections because of other girls lol. Eitherway I'm getting way off topic.

[Strike For The South]

The most tragic part of this thread is that none could spell Meneldil correctly. Trully saddening.

In other news (couldn't check the forum much because of my new job), I haven't changed my mind in the last two weeks. And I still find the arguments put forward by the proponents of multiculturalism worthless.

Every new day, I witness new cases of arab scums acting like scums, while the 'white' population pretends to look away or stares at her feet. I've also learnt that the word "française" when used by an arab or a black means "slut". How charming. I knew they had bad names to call us with (and so do we), but that's bringing it to a whole new level. This macho-man retard culture assimilates white women in general to sluts, to objects, not even worthy of respect. That's bringing racism to a whole new level of stupidity.
When the majority feels abused by the minority, something is going wrong, really wrong. The image of the "arab-scum-with-his-kniff-and-his-twelve-friends" is so deeply rooted in our mind that we are paralyzed by fear.

What is the point of all this? How could we build a peaceful or even functional society like this?

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Men dameaning women, lawless youths, lack of civility

Mon Cher how will you ever deal with these unuiqe problems that no one has ever faced before?