Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[Scienter]

If you're just a townie, why the mime act?

Huh?

You've got nothing to hide and not much to lose anyway, and if you think I'm scum, why aren't you trying to get something out of me. It just doesn't seem consistent with how you've acted before as a townie. Like I said, I understand some blowback from me murdering you, but this seems like more than that.

I'm trying to participate more. Andres hasn't been happy with the level of discussion in the last few turns and I'm trying to be proactive. Like I said, right now Kagemusha seems more suspect than you. But, you've posted several times that you aren't paying attention much in this game because of work and all the effort you put into the Sith one. That sounds like BS to me, as if you were trying to come up with a legitimate-sounding reason to post less, that's all.

[Niklas]

Avenge me - kill TinCow!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TinCow and Beskar both need to go.

[TinCow]

But, you've posted several times that you aren't paying attention much in this game because of work and all the effort you put into the Sith one. That sounds like BS to me, as if you were trying to come up with a legitimate-sounding reason to post less, that's all.

Please think back to last Thursday afternoon and consider my mood based on work stuff from then until yesterday. I was seriously stressed and did not have the time or patience to put much thought into much of anything, you know that. You also know that that stress started to dissipate yesterday, and as such I've tried to get back into the game a bit more since then. I'm disappointed that you would call all of that "BS."

[Choxorn]

TinCow, Beefy, and Beskar are my current top suspects.

[Renata]

vote: TinCow

He's been my top suspect for most of the game. I was hoping that backing off for a few days might give the mafia incentive to remove someone as dangerous as him (if they could), but they haven't done so, and there seems little reason to hold back anymore.

Kagemusha is second.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I like Scienter as a suspect more than Tincow.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I like beskar.

as a suspect

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, you like Beskar, and the reasons why are suspect.

[Kagemusha]

What is this bandwagon against me? Yours truly has been working ten hour night shifts this week, so my days have been spent sleeping, while nights working. I havent had energy to pretty much post at all in the Org for days. Also FOS Beskar how did i dropped off out from sight when i garnered suspicion? People have been accusing me from the start, just because i decided to have some fun and also contribute some. Those people who are saying i could be using "Saharan news" as camouflage i have question to ponder about. Why would i start drawing intentionally attention towards myself right from the beginning, so everybody could concetrate on me and become suspicious? So i could get lynched just be sure im not playing any kind of wifom? Spledid strategy i would say. I think the paranoia started from ATPG is spreading to others as well. I will vote: Beskar as it would seem he took agressive tone towards me right after Secura and YLC who had voted me in previous round died the next night after.

If you are trying to frame me. You picked the wrong guy to do so.

[Beskar]

I think GeneralHankerchief might have to open up a gameroom marriage counsellor position, soon enough.

[Kagemusha]

Sorry voted on edited post. I mixed up Beefy with Beskar. So to make sure my vote stands. Vote: Beskar

[Choxorn]

Well, I'm probably not going to be online again until the update, so I'll have to vote now... uh... Vote: Beskar

[Diana Abnoba]

Thanks all for the input and list of top 3.

I can't really get my list down past 6. I keep swaying back and forth on the following players:
(These players are all not playing up to their usual standard)

1. Beskar- being completely lost most of this game and "role playing"- much better player than this.

2. Tin Cow- he is a very good player, and we have not seen to much from him at all-even before this last week with work problems- not his usual at all.
(and he is kinda like Sasaki, you always suspect him to be mafia)

3. Methos- low post count, no real participation...he is better than this also.

4. Jolt- usually you can't get this guy to shut up, almost as bad as Pizza. And you have a lower post count than me- something is off there. (though he hasn't been as active lately in other games either) but just can't loose the scum scent from him.

5. Kukrikhan- more of a vet at this and the org. would be just about anyone's pick for henchmen, and low post counts from him as well. Just seems scummy to me.

6. Scienter- a lurker (but she is newer at this), but wouldn't just about anyone pick her as well, the perfect cover person, staying under the radar. May have even been picked as the Ancient.


Well those are some names, I think need some more pressure. What do you guys think. Get them talking! I want everyone voting this phase! Andres and I were disappointed last phase. No missed votes or abstains at this stage of the game. Coming down to the wire.

[pevergreen]

5. Kukrikhan- more of a vet at this and the org. would be just about anyone's pick for henchmen, and low post counts from him as well. Just seems scummy to me.

KK has been around a long time, but only recently has he started to play in mafia constantly.

[Diana Abnoba]

Oh, okay sorry for the mistake.

[Romanic]

I still like Split as mafia. Why? Because it fits right in some scenarios.

Scenario 1: He was away and couldn't send his orders in time. That's why we had only one kill.

Scenario 2: Lots of pressure on him last turn but he was saved by the atheotes bandwagon. Mafia is killing one to make it look like atheotes was mafia and remove the pressure on split.

I understand that we cannot vote Split yet, because he is coming into WOG range, but somehow I have a feeling he will show up to evade it again. However I do have an alternative for you.

TheFlax.

He was 4th on the atheotes wagon last round, and may have been trying to save Split. Plus he made suspicious posts during the bandwagon:

Post 1080, after I asked why Methos was not voting:

You're picking on that post but not Scienter's post above with not vote and only a FOS? Why?

Explain this reaction to me. TheFlax tried, but I still don't get it. Why would he ask me this? I am a dead townie. Is he annoyed by me picking on Split?

Sasaki has been writing these one liners the whole game and TheFlax never said anything. Why me? Why this time?

Post 1086, after Sasaki asked him why he posted the above ^ (1080) post.

I'm not questioning his motive, I just wanted to know why he thought Methos' post was scummier than Scienter's. Its not because Romanic is dead that he's suddenly infallible.

Again he wrote: "Its not because Romanic is dead that he's suddenly infallible.". Now he really looks annoyed by me. He's attacking my credibility, for no reason! Why would he do that? That's a mafia slip right there.

Another gem, Post 759, after I talked about split making a list from my post count spreadsheet:

(...)
Except that Split has been less present that most people on his list, granted he seems to be more active now and that's good.
(...)

He was protecting Split.

On Day4, TheFlax is the only one voting for Split. Post 716:

The bandwagon on Seon sure picked up quickly...

Since I don't think The Stranger is guilty, merely annoying, I'll Vote: Splitpersonality. Get your head in the game.

When Flax makes this vote, two bandwagons are already running Seon/The Stranger, both with around 7 votes already. Great timing to place a vote on your partner, don't you think?

There's other stuff like him talking a lot with Renata, sharing suspicions and possibly probing at her for information.

@Diana: I am curious, is TheFlax talking with you now that you are Naib?

My advice: TheFlax is mafia, lynch him now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is this bandwagon against me?

I don't know, Kage, what is it? You've been in lots of mafia games, having a wagon on you shouldn't be much of a surprise. Why are you not allowed to be suspected?

Yours truly has been working ten hour night shifts this week, so my days have been spent sleeping, while nights working. I havent had energy to pretty much post at all in the Org for days.

Ah! Good. So, by the fact that you have been busy lately, we know you couldn't possibly be mafia. That makes total sense. Our mistake.

Also FOS Beskar how did i dropped off out from sight when i garnered suspicion? People have been accusing me from the start, just because i decided to have some fun and also contribute some. Those people who are saying i could be using "Saharan news" as camouflage i have question to ponder about.

Why would i start drawing intentionally attention towards myself right from the beginning, so everybody could concetrate on me and become suspicious?

Indeed, wine would you do that in front of us?

So i could get lynched just be sure im not playing any kind of wifom? Spledid strategy i would say.

Well gee, Kage, it has done a fine job of keeping you alive until now. Most people are dead, and yet you live.

SPLENDID STRATEGY I WOULD SAY.

I think the paranoia started from ATPG is spreading to others as well.

Paranoia? In a mafia game? My word, how unfair.

I will vote: Beskar as it would seem he took agressive tone towards me right after Secura and YLC who had voted me in previous round died the next night after.

*gasp*

*shock*

If you are trying to frame me. You picked the wrong guy to do so.

You're the first person I can recall claiming that you were framed.... or that you were guilty based on such Secura/YLC reasoning. So, by the scientific property of

He/WhoSmeltIt = DealtIt

the smell of bull feces is eminating from YOUR direction, Kage, not Beskar's.

[Kagemusha]

I don't know, Kage, what is it? You've been in lots of mafia games, having a wagon on you shouldn't be much of a surprise. Why are you not allowed to be suspected?



Ah! Good. So, by the fact that you have been busy lately, we know you couldn't possibly be mafia. That makes total sense. Our mistake.







Indeed, wine would you do that in front of us?



Well gee, Kage, it has done a fine job of keeping you alive until now. Most people are dead, and yet you live.

SPLENDID STRATEGY I WOULD SAY.



Paranoia? In a mafia game? My word, how unfair.



*gasp*

*shock*



You're the first person I can recall claiming that you were framed.... or that you were guilty based on such Secura/YLC reasoning. So, by the scientific property of

He/WhoSmeltIt = DealtIt

the smell of bull feces is eminating from YOUR direction, Kage, not Beskar's.

Well im flattered about your continuos attention, but if your case against me is that it is possible that im mafia , then yes that is your case, minor problem is that the same case can be put against any player. Maybe i should be lynched in each game at the first round just to be sure i am not mafia? Also maybe you ought to ponder can i be mafia in every game i play?Your last statement continues the same brilliant logic. If someone points out something you havent pointed out there must be something wrong with that. If it wouldnt have felt strange that people who vote for me start to die, then our perceptions differ quite a lot. If you decide to get yourself lynched by your own initial, that doesnt make your observations any more logical, nor correct.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well im flattered about your continuos attention, but if your case against me is that it is possible that im mafia , then yes that is your case, minor problem is that the same case can be put against any player.

Ah good, so you admit you are quite possibly scum. So what's all this?

Maybe i should be lynched in each game at the first round just to be sure i am not mafia?

Who has been arguing that? No one.

Also maybe you ought to ponder can i be mafia in every game i play?

Why should I ponder such things? Why so indignant about being a suspect, Kagemusha? Did you get a special role?

Your last statement continues the same brilliant logic. If someone points out something you havent pointed out there must be something wrong with that.

You're inventing fictional reasons why people are accusing you, and arguing against those. This is called a straw man.

Yeah, there's something wrong with that.

If it wouldnt have felt strange that people who vote for me start to die, then our perceptions differ quite a lot.

Self-conscious, are we?

If you decide to get yourself lynched by your own initial, that doesnt make your observations any more logical, nor correct.

Ah, let's top it off with a red herring! Why do I even enter into your defense? How do my actions make you more or less guilty? Since they don't, why are you talking about it?

You're way too defensive Kage. You're acting way too surprised that you'd be suspected in a game of recruitment with your abilities and experience, as if it is somehow offensive an idea. Maybe I'm wrong, and odds are I am. But it's not a radical idea that you could be guilty, and you're acting like it is. You're almost taking it like a personal insult, which is also absurd. Seriously though, you've contributed a lot of funny and entertaining posts, but that makes you no more guilty or innocent than anyone else. Then when you get accused, you act like a wounded puppy. But contributing humor is also a form of defense, like flattery or pity. And an effective defense, too.

You could be guilty, and in a mafia game that is reason enough to lynch you. Process of elimination; you die, and we move on to someone else if we are wrong. Take the bitter medicine and swallow it!

[Kagemusha]

Ah good, so you admit you are quite possibly scum. So what's all this?



Who has been arguing that? No one.



Why should I ponder such things? Why so indignant about being a suspect, Kagemusha? Did you get a special role?



You're inventing fictional reasons why people are accusing you, and arguing against those. This is called a straw man.

Yeah, there's something wrong with that.



Self-conscious, are we?



Ah, let's top it off with a red herring! Why do I even enter into your defense? How do my actions make you more or less guilty? Since they don't, why are you talking about it?

You're way too defensive Kage. You're acting way too surprised that you'd be suspected in a game of recruitment with your abilities and experience, as if it is somehow offensive an idea. Maybe I'm wrong, and odds are I am. But it's not a radical idea that you could be guilty, and you're acting like it is. You're almost taking it like a personal insult, which is also absurd. Seriously though, you've contributed a lot of funny and entertaining posts, but that makes you no more guilty or innocent than anyone else. Then when you get accused, you act like a wounded puppy. But contributing humor is also a form of defense, like flattery or pity. And an effective defense, too.

You could be guilty, and in a mafia game that is reason enough to lynch you. Process of elimination; you die, and we move on to someone else if we are wrong. Take the bitter medicine and swallow it!

So because you take the process of elimination of yourself into your own hands it gives you the mandate to apply it to others? Maybe we all should tout in all our posts, please lynch me! You see the problem in your thinking there? We both know that in traditional games like this one.We are all aiming at the dark for most of the game. I just find it somewhat amusing that you have taken your aim at me, no matter what ever happens in the game. Im afraid you have lost your focus in your paranoia. With your logic im damned if i do and im damned if i dont. It would be stupid for me to not defend myself, just because you say i shouldnt, while others ask for me to defend myself. So in the end you are just trying to rationalize your paranoia with lot of supporting theories you create inside your own head. I think you should apply some critical thinking to your own reasoning.

[The Stranger]

Who are your top 3 suspects, TS?

hmm

beskar and tincow and pevergreen (even if he is not guilty, he has to die)

i think renata is suscpicious too.

other than that i believe beefy and diana to be innocent

[Askthepizzaguy]

So because you take the process of elimination of yourself into your own hands it gives you the mandate to apply it to others?

I don't follow this, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe we all should tout in all our posts, please lynch me! You see the problem in your thinking there?

This has zero to do with the topic at hand. What are you talking about???

We both know that in traditional games like this one.We are all aiming at the dark for most of the game. I just find it somewhat amusing that you have taken your aim at me, no matter what ever happens in the game.

You don't seem to find it that amusing.

Im afraid you have lost your focus in your paranoia.

I'm not paranoid, you're a legitimate suspect. There's no emotion involved whatsoever here. I would be paranoid if say you were my mason partner and I kept suspecting you for no reason. THAT is paranoia.

Considering you a suspect here when you are one isn't paranoia, Kage. You dishonor me with such nonsense.

With your logic im damned if i do and im damned if i dont. It would be stupid for me to not defend myself, just because you say i shouldnt, while others ask for me to defend myself.

You're using emotion and fallacy-based defenses, and I think that's lame. You're better than that.

So in the end you are just trying to rationalize your paranoia with lot of supporting theories you create inside your own head. I think you should apply some critical thinking to your own reasoning.

I'm putting due pressure on a suspect. What have you been doing? I think you should drop the wounded puppy act and quit focusing on me when you're the only one between the two of us who could even be guilty.



Frankly, if this is the best you've got, you need to be lynched.

[The Stranger]

vote: TinCow

He's been my top suspect for most of the game. I was hoping that backing off for a few days might give the mafia incentive to remove someone as dangerous as him (if they could), but they haven't done so, and there seems little reason to hold back anymore.

Kagemusha is second.

still protecting beskar eh...

i think it is becoming time to use the vig kill.

i think everyone should vote which 2 persons they want to see vigkilled. this may tell us alot about who is mafia too. anyone who doesnt vote... is suspicious.

Vigkill: Renata
Vigkill:Kagemusha

i believe them to be scummy but im not entirely sure about their intentions, they might be genuine townies, but i dont want to take the risk.

[Askthepizzaguy]

still protecting beskar eh...

This has been bugging me for a while.

Why is Beskar the sole focus of your attention, why do you assume he must be guilty, why does everyone who doesn't vote for him automatically mean they are guilty?

Suspecting someone is one thing, but I don't understand why you seem to take it for granted that Beskar's guilt is not only a fact, but it colors everyone else as guilty or innocent. Maybe you're right, but I don't see what your case is. Enlighten me.

[Beefy187]

If I don't i'll regret it

Vote: Beskar

[TinCow]

Re: Beskar, didn't someone at some point say that he had claimed to be the special role? Did we get any more information on that?

[The Stranger]

This has been bugging me for a while.

Why is Beskar the sole focus of your attention, why do you assume he must be guilty, why does everyone who doesn't vote for him automatically mean they are guilty?

Suspecting someone is one thing, but I don't understand why you seem to take it for granted that Beskar's guilt is not only a fact, but it colors everyone else as guilty or innocent. Maybe you're right, but I don't see what your case is. Enlighten me.

not everyone, just renata. because she has been protecting him since the first time i casted doubt on his allegiance to the town.

[Diamondeye]

still protecting beskar eh...

i think it is becoming time to use the vig kill.

i think everyone should vote which 2 persons they want to see vigkilled. this may tell us alot about who is mafia too. anyone who doesnt vote... is suspicious.

Vigkill: Renata
Vigkill:Kagemusha

i believe them to be scummy but im not entirely sure about their intentions, they might be genuine townies, but i dont want to take the risk.

Of these two, I'd say Kagemusha. Renata does not strike me as especially scummy. Other top suspects would be Scienter (of her and TC, that's my pick at least) and Methos.

I'd like to hear more from Beskar and TheFlax in response to the votes/cases against them as well, I'm on the fence when it comes to them.

I think we should be wary about where voting is headed today, I am not at all convinced by either the Beskar case or the TinCow one, and I'll keep my vote on Methos (vote:Methos in case it isn't already there) for now and would like people to put pressure on him. Also, I think we should be wary about letting Diana use our vigilante kills; we might need them later, and on the off-chance that she is mafia (not likely, I agree!), she will have a valid reason (town approval) to vigilante kill an innocent. If we want to democratize (is that a word?) the Naibs kills, we should decide them with a majority so that the Naib personally has no influence on who is targetted.

[Kagemusha]

I don't follow this, it makes no sense whatsoever.



This has zero to do with the topic at hand. What are you talking about???



You don't seem to find it that amusing.



I'm not paranoid, you're a legitimate suspect. There's no emotion involved whatsoever here. I would be paranoid if say you were my mason partner and I kept suspecting you for no reason. THAT is paranoia.

Considering you a suspect here when you are one isn't paranoia, Kage. You dishonor me with such nonsense.



You're using emotion and fallacy-based defenses, and I think that's lame. You're better than that.



I'm putting due pressure on a suspect. What have you been doing? I think you should drop the wounded puppy act and quit focusing on me when you're the only one between the two of us who could even be guilty.



Frankly, if this is the best you've got, you need to be lynched.

This is getting hilarious Pizza. To put it short. I am not guilty and no i dont think your idea that i should lay down and die, just because you want me to do so is a good one. Your entire case against me is just a huge wifom and trying to defend your case with argument that i should agree with your logic, just because it happends to be your logic, is not logic to me at all. From experience you should know that keeping me alive to the end of the part of the game has payed off handsomly for the town quite the few times and if it is up to me. I will do my best to do so. It isnt the first time dead players have been howling for my death and i have been able to stay alive, with sometimes saving the entire town in the process.

So lets just drop the fight with words and take a look at my behaviour through out the game and point to me something honestly that says scummy. If you can provide something, maybe i will take on your offer and vote myself to death just to please you. Hopefully by looking at the game objectively, you can come to an conclusion that indeed i wouldnt play my game like this if i were mafia. Currently all you are doing is repeating yourself, with your idea that i could be capable doing a wifom which you are accusing of me. While you should focus on the fact, would there be any sense doing so.