@Fragony
How can you justify that Wilders wants a national bias in history? Isn't that a corruption of history? It isn't even history, it's indoctrination.
@Fragony
How can you justify that Wilders wants a national bias in history? Isn't that a corruption of history? It isn't even history, it's indoctrination.
"When the candles are out all women are fair."
-Plutarch, Coniugia Praecepta 46
Spare me that, how can you consider the dutch educational system anything but.
So "national bias" only means overproportional focus on national history (which seems to be pretty normal in every country) as opposed to "distorting" history?
Depending on the extent to which this "bias" would be implemented, this would seem like a minor point to worry about...
Yeah... I wish we could go back to crusading against Spain when they dared to say that Jesus was a mortal. Heck, give the crusades back generally, nothing stirs the blood like a good old war over some Islamic fantasy being against some Christian fantasy being (who has God on their side now we have NUKES! Huh? Take that you bad people interpreting some fantasy being in some other way).
Why even go to the crusades, we are more than happy to duke it out over vague differences in Christian belief. Not saying the crusades were not waged against Christians of course, have a look at the sacking of Constantinople or the eradication of the Katars.
I would argue against this. As history teacher, I might be rather biased.
History is the human memory, and we should try to keep political fidgeting to a minimum. How can we learn from history, if we change it to suit our modern day perspective?
It only means a minimum of national history, any is too much for some, turns us into Hitler. I like to call it the self-denying prophecy.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
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Still not sure if we are talking about the same thing.
"Fidgeting" implies to me that a given topic is covered with a certain biased view, e.g. facts might be presented very selectively to convey a preferred political message.
From Skullheadhq's post it is not clear to me if that is what he refers to. I would be somewhat surprised if that is what a party would openly advertise as its intent
OTOH you can also have a "national bias" by e.g., dedicating 25% of the curriculum to Dutch history. While you can also argue that this "distorts" history it is certainly something that is quite common and done most countries that I am aware of (I doubt that Asian history plays a significant role in most European schools) - and to a degree I think it also makes a lot of sense to pay special attention to the history of (or the impact of historical events on) your own country.
I really don't know what he means, but maybe it makes you understand me better once he has explained himself.
I've been a knight for more than a decade now and I have yet to see anyone call for us to take up the sword to slay the infidel. I guess I must be attending the wrong council meetings or something. You might wish to give the Catholic church credit for SOME advancement in thinking over the last nine centuries -- at least acknowledge that we don't require women to wear hats in church anymore for example.
All kidding aside, you are aware that -- should your hypothetical best world come about and we all wake up on the morrow convinced that religion is nothing but poorly written fiction -- humanity will simply find some other set of differences over which we can kill one another and exert power? I do hope you're not "polyanna" enough to think it would invoke some panacea effect.
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FYI: I didn't coin that term. It's just convenient to stick to the same vocabulary as that which others are using for describing something I am not sure I understand what they mean?
The knowledge of the Netherlands is such that most of it boils down to the fact everyone else is more powerful and more important as long as everyone else consists of the UK, France and Germany; and later the USA. Thus you can't understand the Dutch history without understanding the other countries a little, too.
Since history classes have a tendency to focus on 19th and 20th century history this means you can either focus on a lot of internal affairs that make little sense without understanding the wider world (how to understand the Patriotten movement without understanding contemporary events and philosophers from France and England?); or you can discuss the wider world but concede that the Netherlands got firmly pushed to the sideline by the other powers in the 18th century and thus focus on events largely centering around other countries.
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Of course but it's not a major in Dutch history. I see no harm in it.
What are the Netherlands anyway?
You are thinking of the French Speaking Belgians.
The Netherlands (Also known as the Dutch) were a big trading Empire when France was a backwater vassal state of Spain. After a few revolutions and dead aristocrats, France began to stand on its own two feet, and when a short man from Corisa came to lead them in Battle, they became one of the greatest powers of continental Europe.
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That's ok, half of our awesome little swamp exists only because of throwing mud.
Last edited by Fragony; 05-30-2010 at 13:01.
one in seven french people now consider themselves racist:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...re-racist.html
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But that is hardly rubbing diversity in the faces of the right, that can't be right it simply isn't possible because it can't be true. Something has to be done, let's make the 9th of juli diversity celebration day and emphasize that that obelisk is from Egypt.
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