Roman Polanski- No Justice Needed

[Husar]

These are the same people that took the Nazi gold deposits (aka gold filling ripped out of Jewish children's mouths with pliers) so the Nazis could fund their war efforts and inflict their horrors on every European country.... except for Switzerland that is....

Is anybody surprised that the Swiss are taking the lowest possible road? A morally bankrupt fugitive holing up in a morally bankrupt nation. Hand in glove I say.

Why haven't you extradited the scum that abducted other countries' citizens, tortured them in secret places and then locked them up in a concentration camp without trial? And now you're throwing a tantrum because that small country dares not to bow to the will of the mighty, moral US of A, while it may have been better had he been extradited, it's quite pathetic to see US citizens get worked up over this issue and compare Switzerland to North Korea etc. because of one single case.

Meh, I think he should serve his sentence but I do wonder why the US were unable to provide the court sentence when they were asked for it repeatedly?

You already managed to get that drug baron from marihuana island against the will of their people, now you didn't get someone and the concerned country as a whole joins the "axis of evil" or what?

Or to add another sentence, you do the sovereign nation dance every 4th of July, yet when another nation acts as a sovereign nation instead of your vassal you get angry and compare them to the nazis, the terrorists and whatever else is bad in the world.

Hint: I'm not linking the USAs' behaviour to the guilt or innocence of Roman Polanski, I'm just ourtraged at some of the comments and comparisons here.
If Roman Polanski is guilty, he should obviously serve his sentence.

[Jolt]

Why haven't you extradited the scum that abducted other countries' citizens, tortured them in secret places and then locked them up in a concentration camp without trial? And now you're throwing a tantrum because that small country dares not to bow to the will of the mighty, moral US of A, while it may have been better had he been extradited, it's quite pathetic to see US citizens get worked up over this issue and compare Switzerland to North Korea etc. because of one single case.

I would like to see Kissinger extradited to Chile.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why haven't you extradited the scum that abducted other countries' citizens, tortured them in secret places and then locked them up in a concentration camp without trial? And now you're throwing a tantrum because that small country dares not to bow to the will of the mighty, moral US of A, while it may have been better had he been extradited,

Don't bring nationalism into it. You guys are the only ones who see it that way. I've never met or even heard of an American who would throw a tantrum just because a small country acts independently. The objection is because of the particulars of polanski's act.

it's quite pathetic to see US citizens get worked up over this issue and compare Switzerland to North Korea etc. because of one single case.

"this isn't north korea" is comparing switzerland to north korea?

Meh, I think he should serve his sentence but I do wonder why the US were unable to provide the court sentence when they were asked for it repeatedly?

TinCow answered that previously.

Hint: I'm not linking the USAs' behaviour to the guilt or innocence of Roman Polanski, I'm just ourtraged at some of the comments and comparisons here.
If Roman Polanski is guilty, he should obviously serve his sentence.

Yes, you aren't linking it, you're trying talk about it as if the US was trying to extradite someone for marijuana use.

[Husar]

Don't bring nationalism into it. You guys are the only ones who see it that way. I've never met or even heard of an American who would throw a tantrum just because a small country acts independently. The objection is because of the particulars of polanski's act.

Don't bring Nazi gold and other weird accusations of moral decay into it. I for one don't know a single swiss person who owns Nazi gold, suffers from complete moral decay or supports a child rapist. You guys are the only one who see them that way. You can get angry about the whole denial but when you go and call the whole country nazi supporters and morally bankrupt etc. that's a bit much, isn't it?

And if I understand TinCow correctly, then the US justice system allowed him to buy himself out of prison with a lot of money, giving him enough time to flee. Does the system treat all very dangerous, child raping scumbags like that?
Could he have fled without being rich/having rich friends?

[drone]

He posted bail, which is generally allowed prior to sentencing to let the suspect sort things out before the trial/sentencing. Bail is generally set according to the crime, and can be denied outright if the suspect is a flight risk or dangerous. Bail is not a way to get out of a sentenced prison term.

I assume he used his own money for bail. Poorer suspects can get a bail-bondsman to post for them (with a small percentage put up by the suspect), but skipping bail on a bail-bondsman means both cops and bounty hunters will come after you.

[Beskar]

I assume he used his own money for bail. Poorer suspects can get a bail-bondsman to post for them (with a small percentage put up by the suspect), but skipping bail on a bail-bondsman means both cops and bounty hunters will come after you.

What legality do bounty hunters have within the states?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

What legality do bounty hunters have within the states?

They have a surprisingly broad range of action. Source.

[InsaneApache]

Just so we remember, there was a little girl involved. Here's what she had to say at the time.

"Q. What did you do when he said, 'Let's go into the other room'?

A. I was going 'No, I think I better go home', because I was afraid. So I just went and I sat down on the couch.

Q. What were you afraid of?

A. Him.... He sat down beside me and asked if I was OK. I said 'No'.

Q. What did he say?

A. He goes 'Well, you'll be better'. And I go, 'No I won't. I have to go home. He said 'I'll take you home soon'.

Q. Then what happened?

A. Then he went down and he started performing cuddliness... I was kind of dizzy, you know, like things were kind of blurry sometimes. I was having trouble with my coordination... I wasn't fighting really because I, you know, there was no one else there and I had no place to go."

Q. Did he ask you about being on the pill?

A. He asked, he goes, 'Are you on the pill?' and I went, 'No' and he goes 'When did you have your period?' and I said, 'I don't know. A week or two. I'm not sure'... He goes, 'Come on. You have to remember'. And I told him I didn't.... and right after I said I was not on the pill... and he goes... and then he put me – wait. Then he lifted my legs up farther and he went in through my anus.

Q. Did you resist at that time?

A. A little bit, but not really, because...

Q. Because what?

A. Because I was afraid of him."

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...d-1794717.html

Now I don't know about you lot but if some filth had done that to one of my grandaughters he'd count himself lucky that the police got him first.

Oh and the Swiss government should be ashamed of themselves. Along with the UK, Canada, France and one or two more 'enlightened' western governents.

That is all.

Not quite. Nice to see you around Senor Corleone.

[TinCow]

And if I understand TinCow correctly, then the US justice system allowed him to buy himself out of prison with a lot of money, giving him enough time to flee. Does the system treat all very dangerous, child raping scumbags like that?
Could he have fled without being rich/having rich friends?

Uh... the concept of Bail is pretty much universal in most modern nations. Germany uses it as well, so I'm confused by your surprise at the concept.

The basic idea is that incarcerating people is expensive. Since the accused is innocent until proven guilty, it is usually deemed acceptable to release them from prison (and thus free up prison space) until their trial. However, we of course do not want people to run away. So, depending on the circumstances of each individual case, the accused can be allowed to pay a certain amount of money to guarantee that they show up in court for their trial. The more serious the crime and the more likely a person is to flee, the greater the cost. People who are considered likely to run away will be denied bail altogether. If the person runs away, the money is forfeit until they re-appear. That is where bounty hunters fit in. They work for Bail Bondsmen, who employ them to go and catch people who have fled and thus forfeited the bail bondsman's money.

In the case of Polanski, he was not considered a flight risk. Who in their right mind would have expected a successful and famous Hollywood director to flee the United States and never come back for the next 33 years? It didn't seem likely at all, and the sheer spectacle of it is proven by the infamy that surrounds this case.

[Don Corleone]

Hi everyone,
Sorry, going to have to be brief, before one of the kids wakes up.

First, didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers. Didn't try to avoid it either, but it wasn't my intent to offend, just highlight facts.

Sure, the USA has done a lot of despicable things. As Andres pointed out, two wrongs don't make a right. If your only moral standard is "a CIA phoenix team has done worse and nobody has prosecuted them yet...", you're going to crawl through a sewer, on your belly.... Not trying to defend everything we've ever done.

I wasn't trying to fling pooh at the Swiss, I was trying to highlight a reality. Quite frankly, and my apologies to any Swiss here... they appear to my humble eye to have a national character of 'Anything for a buck'. I've been to Switzerland several times, its a lovely place and on a personal level, the people are quite affable and pleasant. Great engineers, great bankers, great education... yaddah yaddah.

But what has Switzerland ever stood for? Anything goes... they take anybody's money, raised any which way, no questions asked.

When the CIA does things like sell heroin to fund an illegal war, do you think they put their money in American banks? Nope. Not a legacy I'd want to be attached to.

By the way, sorry I touched a nerve Husar. Good to see you old friend. Hopefully I'll find a thread where I won't be peeing in your Cheerios and we can catch up there.

[Husar]

Uh... the concept of Bail is pretty much universal in most modern nations. Germany uses it as well, so I'm confused by your surprise at the concept.

I'm surprised that he was allowed to post bail if he is such a disgusting person, he could have raped another girl thinking he'd end up in prison for a long time anyway.

[Andres]

I'm surprised that he was allowed to post bail if he is such a disgusting person, he could have raped another girl thinking he'd end up in prison for a long time anyway.

I think you're being very unfair now. At the time, there was no indication whatsoever that Polanski would flee the country to escape sentence. It was a perfectly reasonable decision.

Regardless, it doesn't take away the facts that a) according to the bilateral treaty between the US and Switerland, Switzerland is obliged to extradite Polanski; their reasons for refusing it are very poor excuses; b) Polanski is a child rapist for 's sake. Give me one good reason to protect that kind of scum. Read the quote in post #56 first.

[Beskar]

Roman Polanski is a paedophile.

[Husar]

I think you're being very unfair now. At the time, there was no indication whatsoever that Polanski would flee the country to escape sentence. It was a perfectly reasonable decision.

Regardless, it doesn't take away the facts that a) according to the bilateral treaty between the US and Switerland, Switzerland is obliged to extradite Polanski; their reasons for refusing it are very poor excuses; b) Polanski is a child rapist for 's sake. Give me one good reason to protect that kind of scum. Read the quote in post #56 first.

When it's a swiss judge letting him go free, he's a child-raping scumbag, when it's a US judge letting him go for a few days on a bailout, there was no reason to believe he could do anything against the law?
Jörg Kachelmann for example has been charged with raping his girlfriend, he has been in custody for like three months now and hasn't been let go because he is still under suspicion to have committed a serious crime. I just think that if an alleged crime has a certain severity, it makes little sense to let someone go on a bailout, especially if they can easily afford it.