Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Choxorn]

Yeah, unless Beskar's ability specifically stated he had to kill every other night, I'm going to have to call him out on that as one of many moves he made throughout the game that made him look scummy.

[naut]

Yeah, unless Beskar's ability specifically stated he had to kill every other night, I'm going to have to call him out on that as one of many moves he made throughout the game that made him look scummy.

My best bet would be they had personal goals to either kill Star Fox members or outlast them.

[Secura]

Suuuuure, tell it to the judge. So instead of using Beskar's scanning ability, he decided to kill him?

Right, because I have a need to lie when we're all dead, right? :P

Choxorn genuinely was an unknown quantity; when the writeup was published with Fox's death, Beskar was actually asleep and I text him to let him know that he'd seemingly vigged Fox. His response was a mixture of emotions, the main one actually being surprise because we had Choxxy down as either a disinterested vanilla or lurky mafia.

I often suggested investigation as the better of the two choices, mainly because I dislike vigilante kills for the inherent risk of killing power roles or townies (which is why they carry a penalty in my game if you get it wrong!) but there were occasions where Beskar preferred to take the advice of other players, such as Renata, rather than his own teammates... nothing that we can do about that, he's the one who submits his orders for the night, after all.

Yeah, unless Beskar's ability specifically stated he had to kill every other night, I'm going to have to call him out on that as one of many moves he made throughout the game that made him look scummy.

Beskar adopted that systematic killing style for whatever reason he chose, which I still have no idea about; I agree that he acted scummy and made bad choices, but I think the majority of the playerbase is guilty for that too, so it's really like the pot calling the kettle black.

You should probably save any further tirades you may have for when the game ends and Beskar is actually allowed to respond to you. :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

DAY PHASE THIRTEEN

6 1/2 hours remain.

[Khazaar]

I think I´m beeing used as the convenient scapegoat here. Mafia always knew that they could use me as a voteoff, it happened twice and it´s happening again. As I said before if you have no better target go ahead...

Vote: Autolycus

[naut]

I think I´m beeing used as the convenient scapegoat here. Mafia always knew that they could use me as a voteoff, it happened twice and it´s happening again. As I said before if you have no better target go ahead...

Vote: Autolycus

Unvote, Vote: Khazaar

Not a very town like post.

[Nightbringer]

Unvote, Vote: Khazaar

Not a very town like post.

So we are going with khazaar?
okay, works for me, they are both scumbags in my eyes, who knows, maybe there are two mafia left and it is they, in any case i wont be sorry to see this guy go
vote: khazaar

[Death is yonder]

you mean my reluctance to vote khazaar, the person you want me to vote for. i genuinely see a strong argument being made by psychonaut, he has been leading us right for the past few turns and i trust him. i didn't vote because in the past i have been called scum for changing my vote when my opinion changes, so i am waiting until i am sure this time.

I just really don't want to screw up here at the end

Plus, no offense romantic, but you have led us wrong a number of times (including beefy, which was a situation very similar to this), i trust psychonaut's judgement more than yours at this point.

Romanic and Secura have said what needs to be said on the matter already, you should re-read it

If you don't trust Romanic, at least listen to Star Wolf team, or do you dispute their attempts at help with them removing 3+ Androssians.

But then you criticize me for not voting when you tell me to. No, just to go by your statement of not blindly following and voting when told i am not going to vote yet.
I like to observe the arguments made, add in my own knowledge, then come to an informed decision once everyone has made their case. and if you look at my past, this is one ive done the entire game
(no hard feelings mate) :)

There's no informed decision once everyone has made their case really, its all hypothetical and at this point of the game, I'll like to stress that the entire Fox and Wolf team is dead, and we've offered what assistance we are able to render without breaking rules, that should be enough for you

So we are going with khazaar?
okay, works for me, they are both scumbags in my eyes, who knows, maybe there are two mafia left and it is they, in any case i wont be sorry to see this guy go
vote: khazaar

I am very intrigued here with your near subservient status to Psychonaut's whims bordering on seemingly fake. Its like your a mafia looking for an excuse to change your vote to your buddy when its unavoidable. What do you have to say about this Nightbringer?

So we are going with khazaar?

And it took Psychonaut to persuade you? Come on Nightbringer, the Fox and Wolf team have already presented to you why its extremely plausible that Khazaar is the guilty party.

okay, works for me, they are both scumbags in my eyes

Right... so now your "plausibility" that Auto might be lying has changed into outright acknowledgment of his scumminess. I sense the fallacy of the appealing to popularity here.

So what is the rational behind your most curious actions as of late Master Nightbringer?

Was nightbringer publicly verified as a likelier innocent? Or an unknown still.

[Nightbringer]

Romanic and Secura have said what needs to be said on the matter already, you should re-read it

They have, and I did, that was a while ago.

There's no informed decision once everyone has made their case really, its all hypothetical and at this point of the game, I'll like to stress that the entire Fox and Wolf team is dead, and we've offered what assistance we are able to render without breaking rules, that should be enough for you

After everyone has said what they think, more information is available, making any vote cast at that point more informed. And yes, star fox and star wolf have offered their assistance, and i have read it and value it, but i also wanted to hear what psychonaut had to say.

I am very intrigued here with your near subservient status to Psychonaut's whims bordering on seemingly fake. Its like your a mafia looking for an excuse to change your vote to your buddy when its unavoidable. What do you have to say about this Nightbringer?

I'm not being subservient, I am just acknowledging that the mutual town decision seems to be to vote for khazaar, why would i go with autolycus and give any remaining mafia a possible way out. We can't afford a split town vote at this critical time.
And I DID NOT CHANGE my vote, I was thoroughly criticized for not casting my vote yet earlier when I was not sure about my decision, so accusing me of changing it now is a open and shut case of damned if i do, damned if i don't. When, pray tell, am I supposed to vote. As soon as I get a whim about who to vote for, that way I can be blamed for switching my vote when I change my mind. Or maybe I should wait till I am convinced of something, but no, because not voting for a while makes me scum, and then I am still accused of changing my vote. Maybe I should just not vote, although I'm sure you will find a way to turn that against me as well.
unvote

And it took Psychonaut to persuade you? Come on Nightbringer, the Fox and Wolf team have already presented to you why its extremely plausible that Khazaar is the guilty party.

No, as I said, I just wanted to avoid a split vote. Of course I am going to vote khazaar when the town unanimously agrees on it. But what is so wrong with having not made up my mind when we were debating who to lynch. I am still of the opinion that autolycus is scum, but voting that would just be stupid right now.
And if I'm wrong, you can shove it in my face as much as you like.

Right... so now your "plausibility" that Auto might be lying has changed into outright acknowledgment of his scumminess. I sense the fallacy of the appealing to popularity here.

I considered it plausible a while ago, for the last few rounds I have considered auto scum and have posted as such. That is also the argument psycho was making. I aknowledge psycho a lot because he is a much more experienced player than myself and has been doing a very good job finding mafia in the last couple turns.

Was nightbringer publicly verified as a likelier innocent? Or an unknown still.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this, but it is obvious that I cannot be Gorgon, and that is the only remaining mafia, (unless someone has not appeared in write ups yet).
It was also publicly verified on round 10 I believe that I am a venomian. (by Beskar, through scanning)

I'm not mad or anything, I just think every post ever made in this game can be seen as scummy when looked at in the right way, and I've drawn the short straw of being on the list of people whose posts get seen that way due to in game circumstances. A lot of other people have gotten voted out for the same reason and turned out completely innocent (everyone except Pinman that was voted out for most of the game).

Anyway, since this is likely the end of the game, (or in the next couple of days), I just want to tell everyone I really have had a great time and this has been an awesome way to start playing mafia games. I look forward to playing more and hope I haven't made any lasting enemies (or people who just don't like me, nooo, please like me!!! ;)
XD

[Nightbringer]

no, not voting is too risky now, I am going to stick with my
vote: Khazaar
whether you like it or not DIY

[Askthepizzaguy]

This round is over. I don't know why I am still awake, but the writeup will be delayed until I get sleep.

I'm going to be cruel and not reveal if Khazaar was guilty or not until the writeup, so there will be some suspense and/or something worth reading as opposed to old news.

Consider this the night phase, and send me your actions.

[wideyedwanderer]

Beskar adopted that systematic killing style for whatever reason he chose, which I still have no idea about; I agree that he acted scummy and made bad choices, but I think the majority of the playerbase is guilty for that too, so it's really like the pot calling the kettle black.

You should probably save any further tirades you may have for when the game ends and Beskar is actually allowed to respond to you. :P

Will do. :)

[naut]

Was nightbringer publicly verified as a likelier innocent? Or an unknown still.

Unknown. He was scanned, but could have been converted.

[Choxorn]

Choxorn genuinely was an unknown quantity; when the writeup was published with Fox's death, Beskar was actually asleep and I text him to let him know that he'd seemingly vigged Fox. His response was a mixture of emotions, the main one actually being surprise because we had Choxxy down as either a disinterested vanilla or lurky mafia.

Like I usually do when I get a pro-town power role, I was trying to not look like a pro-town power role. I guess that worked.

I often suggested investigation as the better of the two choices, mainly because I dislike vigilante kills for the inherent risk of killing power roles or townies (which is why they carry a penalty in my game if you get it wrong!) but there were occasions where Beskar preferred to take the advice of other players, such as Renata, rather than his own teammates... nothing that we can do about that, he's the one who submits his orders for the night, after all.

Yes, silly Beskar, you have to be careful with vigilante kills or you might accidentally kill Krystal and Star Fox.

Beskar adopted that systematic killing style for whatever reason he chose, which I still have no idea about; I agree that he acted scummy and made bad choices, but I think the majority of the playerbase is guilty for that too, so it's really like the pot calling the kettle black.

I'll agree with you there. When I first started looking through voting patterns and thread posts for scummy-looking players around Night 6 or 7, I ended up with a really long list. It of course included the epic lurkers like miotas, pever, and hell hound. It also included several random semi-lurkers and bandwagoners like ATPGood, the entirety of both Star Wolf and the known Androssians (except maybe civplayah and Chaotix, they were too lurkery for me to really tell), and I probably would have suspected Star Fox members too if I didn't know them to be innocent.

You should probably save any further tirades you may have for when the game ends and Beskar is actually allowed to respond to you. :P

Good point.

[Secura]

Like I usually do when I get a pro-town power role, I was trying to not look like a pro-town power role. I guess that worked.

That was the entire reason that you were vigged, though. :P

Yes, silly Beskar, you have to be careful with vigilante kills or you might accidentally kill Krystal and Star Fox.

Krystal was a major letdown for us; Joooray had been acting scummy, I pointed it out and Beskar was supposed to investigate... however, I think it fell on a night where he was following the kill pattern and so Joooray was put to the sword instead.

T'was most unfortunate, and I'll be interested to see exactly what Krystal would have brought to Star Wolf beyond being another role for Andrew to tell his buddies about. >.<

I'll agree with you there. When I first started looking through voting patterns and thread posts for scummy-looking players around Night 6 or 7, I ended up with a really long list. It of course included the epic lurkers like miotas, pever, and hell hound. It also included several random semi-lurkers and bandwagoners like ATPGood, the entirety of both Star Wolf and the known Androssians (except maybe civplayah and Chaotix, they were too lurkery for me to really tell), and I probably would have suspected Star Fox members too if I didn't know them to be innocent.

It's been one of those games, really... I think that the town has done everything possible to hand victory over to the Androssians, and it really could go either way now.

[Joooray]

Krystal was a major letdown for us; Joooray had been acting scummy, I pointed it out and Beskar was supposed to investigate... however, I think it fell on a night where he was following the kill pattern and so Joooray was put to the sword instead.

Yeah, that sucked.

I was hoping I was acting scummy enough to be investigated, not being killed. I really don't understand why it wasn't obvious I was acting the scum. My whole argument with you was pretty opposite of how I'd acted normally.

[Choxorn]

That was the entire reason that you were vigged, though. :P

Nah, the reason I was vigged was that Beskar decided to follow the kill pattern. Most of the people he ended up vigging were a little scummy, but not to the point that he should have risked vigging them. Investigated, certainly. I would have preferred being investigated than vig-killed although Beskar certainly would have at least told civplayah who I was, and probably would have just revealed it in the thread at some point anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Phase Thirteen

General Pepper: This is General Pepper calling all Cornerian units... we need your help! Defend Corneria from the enemy army!

Yaseikhaan: This is Blue 41, responding. My squadron is on it, General.... we won't let you down, sir.

Stage Thirteen: Corneria


Good Luck!

The remnants of the Cornerian Army returned home, only to find their homeworld under attack by the Androssian menace: Gorgon.

Gorgon: Those who cross Andross will die! The Androssian Empire will NEVER fall! Our leader will return, and when he does, you.... are.... DOOMED!!!


General Pepper: Blue unit, cover the base. Don't allow anything to get through! I'll be arriving down on the planet shortly.

Yaseikhaan: Copy that, General. All wings target the tentacles, that should slow it down.

Gorgon: I'm going to crush you... you annoying little flies.....

Yaseikhaan: We'll see about that. Okay guys, destroy the three energy balls, and the shield should collapse.

Gorgon: How about.... this! HYPER BEAM!!!

Yaseikhaan: Watch out, guys!!!

Gorgon: Hold still and let me shoot you...

Yaseikhaan: You're not taking him down today. All units: The shield is down, shoot the core!!!

Gorgon: MY EMPEROR!!! I'VE FAILED YOU!!!!!

Night Phase Thirteen

Yaseikhaan: Did we get 'em all?

Granga: The eternal armies of Andross will never be defeated!

Yaseikhaan: I'm going to take that as a no....

Granga: Ahhh.... so THIS is Yaseikhaan. I've heard all about you.

Yaseikhaan: Of course you have. I just wasted your boyfriend with my badass laser cannon. Sorry about the mess.

Granga: Choke on my missiles, Khaan!

Yaseikhaan: Woah.... I could use some help here guys.... hey, where's my backup?

Granga: Ha ha ha.... seems your buddies have all flown the coop. The Cornerian Base belongs to Lord Andross now.... and I will present to him your miserable, burning carcass!!!

Yaseikhaan: You won't get very far without your legs....

Granga: NOOOOO!!! You've ruined my beautiful mech.... right, I'll do you for that!

Yaseikhaan: Sorry to disappoint, but I've already got a date.

Granga: If it is the last thing I do, I'll make you bleed.... where do you think you're going?

Yaseikhaan: I'm going to get reinforcements. "Sit tight...."

Granga: Oh, you cocky little freak, you're not going anywhere.... fire the entire starboard battery!!

Yaseikhaan: Yipe!

Granga: Not so smug anymore, huh?

Yaseikhaan: Something witty, something witty..... uh.... now Yasei me, now Yadon't?

Granga:

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Enemies destroyed: 1

Allies down: 1








Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon (lynch)





Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot (murder)

James McCloud: Don't give up.... you're almost done.

Tally:

Khazaar: (5) Autolycus, WEW, Yaseikhaan, Psycho, Nightbringer
Auto: (1) Khazaar

Alive: (4/44)

Autolycus
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
wideyedwanderer

Dead: (37/44)

Askthepizzaguy- James McCloud
pevergreen- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Death is Yonder- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
civplayah- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
choxorn- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
shlin28- Venomian Assault Force Fighter pilot
Chaotix- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Pinman- Attack Carrier pilot- Attack Carrier
Yaropolk- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Seon- Venomian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Romanic- Falco Lombardi
God Emperor- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Beefy187- Rob64
Renata- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Frozen in Ice- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Joooray- Krystal
ArpeggiateTHIS- Bill Grey
Nictel- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Double A- Slippy Toad
Krill- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Johnhughthom- Katt Monroe
Choxorn- Fox McCloud
pevergreen- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
landlubber- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot
Alexander the pretty good- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Miotas- Vemonian Assault Force Fighter Pilot
Secura- Leon Powalski
Skooma Addict- Rock Crusher Pilot- Rock Crusher
Death is Yonder- Peppy Hare
Beskar- Wolf O'Donnell
Chaotix- Androssian Bio-Weapon- Vulcain
Cultured Drizzt Fan- Panther Caroso
TheFlax- Mech Commander- Shogun Droid
Diana Abnoba- Pigma Dengar
civplayah- Andrew Oikonny/Andross Oikonny (THE BIG BAD)
Khazaar- Gorgon Commander- Gorgon
Yaseikhaan- Cornerian Defense Fighter pilot



Out of this Dimension: (7/44)

White_Eyes:D- No vote 3 days in a row.
Rob_the_Celt- No vote 3 days in a row.
merciary- No vote 3 days in a row.
YLC- No vote 3 days in a row.
Stuck in Pi- No vote 3 days in a row.
shlin28- No vote 3 days in a row.
hell_hound- No vote 3 days in a row.


Replacements:

Death is Yonder replaces Remake20
pevergreen replaces White_Eyes
civplayah replaces Winston Hughes
choxorn replaces Splitpersonality
Chaotix replaces merciary
Shlin28 replaces Rob_the_Celt
Psychonaut replaces YLC

No more replacement players.






Begin Day Fourteen. You have 48 hours from the start of this post.

[Nightbringer]

Well damn, I thought that was the last one, I guess we still have 1 last guy to go. He's an easy one though, and now he's got no legs!
Great writeup as always ATPG!

[seireikhaan]

Just to clarify, its day phase now again?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just to clarify, its day phase now again?

That's correct. I combined the day and night writeups to save time.

[naut]

Well we can safely say it can't be WEW, as he was scanned not neutral on N2, and all the starting Mafia are dead. So he can't be Granga. It can't be me as I'm Cornerian.

[autolycus]

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

[naut]

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

Yep.

vote: nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote:autolycus

Its time to finish this, scum. You've been riding a trail of trust ever since you made that fake role-claim as general pepper. I don't need to go over everything that makes it clear that the details are fake, as that has already been made clear to everyone.
The motivations for faking the claim are obvious, you are mafia.
You came up with the role of General Pepper based on info you had and because of some lucky guesses you made about the nature of this character.
You knew only venomians could be converted from your mafia quick-topic and used this to claim an ability that sounds reasonable, but is completely redundant because cornarians simply cannot be converted to begin with.

You chose general pepper because he appears to be a character in the game but he is not
The evidence of this is that General Pepper has not been taking part in actions, he has merely been advising Cornarians what to do. He is present in the write-ups, but in a very different way from all the other roles. Never have we seen the Bloodhound take part in the fighting, never has General Pepper blasted away at any ships or flown in with the team, he is just the voice in the background, much like James Wolf. Every other role in the game has taken some kind of direct action.
You took advantage of general peppers presence and guessed based on the factors above that he was an NPC, and so you took the role as your cover.

Now, lets analyze voting
[QUOTE=Romanic;2526847]
Let's go back again to the bad guys votes:

***
(living players are highlighted in red)

merciary/Chaotix : abstain, civplayah, no vote, no vote, no vote, hell_hound, Khazaar, wideyedwanderer, no vote, Beskar, Beskar, autolycus

Winston/civplayah: JHT, civplayah, no vote, no vote, Beefy, Khazaar, no vote, no vote, pevergreen, no vote, Chaotix

Pinman: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar

Skooma: Double A, civplayah, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, Miotas

TheFlax: no lynch, Renata, Krill, Pinman, Seon, Beefy, Khazaar, Diana, Krill, pevergreen, ATPGood, Chaotix

***

We can see that the only times mafia voted for autolycus is when an irreversible bandwagon came down on them. With the safety of being the for sure lynch Pinman and Chaotix voted their undercover man autolycus to attempt to give him some credibility.

Here is autolycus voting history

A vote analysis would be useful to get a better prespective. Especially of the three confirmed Mafia.
Auto: remake20 (second), Nictel (only), shlin28 (third), Pinman (middle), hell_hound (only), Khazaar (only),
Frozen (third), ATPGood (third), Chaotix (middle)

ALSO: Voted by Pinman once

We can see that he has voted for Pinman, Khazaar, and Chaotix.
The chaotix and Pinman votes are irrelevant because they were bandwagoned so badly it didn't matter and all the mafia voted for them.
The Khazaar vote was during the Beeefy Bandwagon, which is odd, but perhaps he just wasn't paying attention.
More likely though, he was recently recruited, possibly right before his fake claim as general pepper.
In fact, he could have been recruited AT ANY TIME during the game because he was never scanned.

Here's a list of the scan status from Beskar's posts from yesterday:

Autolycus - ?Claimed General Pepper? - [COLOR=DarkOrange]Unscanned

I hope this isn't too full of typos and such, but I believe it can stand as proof to my loyal cornarian allies that auto is the scum we need to get rid of.
If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???
but it is certainly worse than just killing him now and ending this thing once and for all.

[Choxorn]

Well damn, I thought that was the last one, I guess we still have 1 last guy to go. He's an easy one though, and now he's got no legs!
Great writeup as always ATPG!

This post could not possibly be more scummy.

And no, you didn't think that was the last one, you knew that you were there, too.

[Nightbringer]

This post could not possibly be more scummy.

And no, you didn't think that was the last one, you knew that you were there, too.

I was just saying the writeup was good and making a lame joke about the last guy. and how would i have known there was another, he just appeared

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

It seems that Yaseik lost his mod status whilst flying around Corneria


[Retaliation! pew pew pew!]

[Secura]

If you fail to lynch him now you will be faced With a 1 on 1 situation next round, which means???

The very same situation applies to you though.

Well, I know I'm clean, so I guess that leaves ...
vote: nightbringer

Now is the time for a proper reveal of your role PM, auto; this is the final lynch of the game and it apparantly boils down to you or Nightbringer.

Anything you can provide that will help people decide would help, obviously.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

It seems that Yaseik lost his mod status whilst flying around Corneria


[Retaliation! pew pew pew!]

Woah, that messed with my head! Didn't know you had THOSE kind of powers.

*ArpeggiateTHIS hereby claims no responsibility for anything said in his name. Ever. ....it was Yaseik :P*


[Yes, I have that power. I have all the power in the woooorld!]