Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

[discovery1]

Vote: Ichi for failing to bandwagon be like I asked him to.

[KukriKhan]

Google actually has an entry for S A N S N I V (http://books.google.com/books?id=slVg4HUtYNsC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=S+A+N+S+N+I+V&source=web&ots=aMYo3-5Qkl&sig=3U8MkRxB-BuU9VDPUxi5Z8ajJE8&hl=en) (near bottom of page). It's in French, and I think (not being a french-speaker) it refers to educational levels in a survey. "Sans niv indicating 'without formal education'. French speakers can gratefully correct me, please. What that might have to do with our game, or identifying a player, I dunno. Just throwing it out there as something to pursue if other evidence refers back.

Would GH go so far as to resort to a French word ('sans') to be included as a twist-clue? Maybe. It's fairly common English borrowing-usage.

Nevertheless, his correction of 'chargees' (where he explains that 'charges' was correct usage, he thought (correctly)) leads me to believe we are on the right track pursuing individual alphabetical letters to suss out clues, not the pages-wrapped-in-envelopes type of letters.

So, 7 letters/characters so far. With no doubt, more to come. Based on the numbers of players, I'd guess we have about 9-10 more day/night cycles to go. If GH goes to pattern, the 'message' to the town could be up to 9 more characters/letters. But to win, we town will need to solve the puzzle/cryptogram in the next 3-4 phases, lest the bad guy's killing abilities exceed our remaining numbers.

So: S A N S N I V plus 4 more letters to reveal something that might (might) help us. On top of, of course, the usual psychoanlaysis we do.

I see that Seamus has applied a crypto rule he's familiar with; anyone else friendly with letter-substitution schemes, or sequence-pattern paradigms?

-pause for dinner-

and we might also consider the source of the 'watch the letters' clue. What might have motivated him to utter such a phrase, on the event of his death?

[Csargo]

Putting it in backwards gets you a shiplog (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~andersonfamily/thingvallamanifest.htm) and a kid from Norway a couple people down is a guy named Sigurd. Also, Navians (http://www.google.com/search?q=navians&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) which is mostly google hits about Scandinavia. :shrug:

Propellor is also misspelled, should be propeller.

[naut]

So the letters are S A N S N I V (E?). I really don't know how they're going to help us though.

[Privateerkev]

I've been discounting misspelled words since the "hint" said to look for "missing" letters. There are at least 3 misspelled words total left in the reports. I've just ignored them for the purpose of this exercise.

Same reason why I've ignored the guy with the hurt nose. Ichigo figured out what letters should have been put in but we have not been using them.

[Sigurd]

I guess the hidden message might be in French since the clue were in French.
Sans niv...
I have French in my clue dictionary and there are not too many words that starts with niv.
Either a form of niveau (level), nivéole (snowflake) or nivôse (fourth month of Republican calendar).
Maybe someone else has a bigger dictionary.

[Andres]

I believe GH speaks at least a bit of French, so the message being in French is certainly a possibility.

makaikhaan should know better then to attack Tiberius who always behaves like this in mafia games. And I'm getting bad vibes from FactionHeir as well.

Why the FoS on TinCow, Sasaki?

EDIT: oh, and can someone dig up PK's corpse and lynch it again? Not knowing the difference between hockey and soccer football :no:

[Sarathos]

I've been discounting misspelled words since the "hint" said to look for "missing" letters. There are at least 3 misspelled words total left in the reports. I've just ignored them for the purpose of this exercise
I was going to say somethinga bout those, but I wasn't sure either. Could be it GH's intention or just some simply mistake, though it would be handy to remember those words just incase.

Just a crazy idea I had, what if we are looking at these letters the wrong way. What if the word isn't actually SANSNIV, but VINSANS...? I have done a little bit on reasearcj on it but haven't come up with anything so far.

[FactionHeir]

:gah2: you guys found the clue while I was sleeping!
Anyway. I found the use of the word "puttering" a bit odd as well. freedictionary links it to pottering for some reason.
Maybe its missing a S at the start?
On the other hand, if we go back to the write ups, there was no missing in D1, but 2 in D2, and discounting what I just said, 1 in D3.
This suggests he forgot one in D1 and thus had an extra one in D2.

Also, note that the Day writeup missing letters are always at the start of the word while the missing letters in the N write ups so far where in the middle or end of the word. This may have some significance.

[FactionHeir]

Just a crazy idea I had, what if we are looking at these letters the wrong way. What if the word isn't actually SANSNIV, but VINSANS...? I have done a little bit on reasearcj on it but haven't come up with anything so far.

You mean Sans Vin, as in Without Wine? No WIFOM? :cry: :clown:

[KukriKhan]

English-based anagrams for what we have so far:

Vans Sin
Vans Ins
Van Sins

Not ringing a bell with me. Gonna try some more complicated crypto protocols, especially the predictive kind. You know, like: 'what's the next letter/number in the following sequence...?'.

-edit-
This place (www.totalwar.org) translates english/greek/hebrew letters and assigns numbers to them, when they're trying to find predictions in biblical script.

S: 200
A: 1
N: 50
I: 10
V: 500

So, S+A+N+S+N+I+V = 200+1+50+200+50+10+500 = 1011

Still not telling me much. Grrr. Keep looking.

[shlin28]

Methinks you mighty mafia veterans are over-thinking this code, perhps it just means WITHOUT V?

Could it be that the code just mean the name of one mafia has no V? :book:

Which then leads to this list:

Ichigo
RoadKill
TinCow
Elite Ferret
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
LittleGrizzly
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Craterus
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Tratorix
Sarathos
LittleGrizzly
Andres
Mithrandir
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Crazed Rabbit
Fenring
Lord Winter
CountArach
Kommodus
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
Kagemusha
georgeman51
Omanes Alexandropolites
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Which doesn't help a lot... :sweatdrop: Guess we would have to wait couple more phases before we get anything concret.

[Kagemusha]

Or maybe the code gives us nothing in order to get the mafia, just a nice distraction/puzzle?

[Privateerkev]

Well, it was given as a hint. I say there is no harm in looking into it. As long as you guys keep lynching in the meantime. :D

[KukriKhan]

This is out of the wild blue yonder, I know... but if I were forced today to decide who the clue points to, based on what little we know, it would be |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88. He has "missing letters" in his username (|'s and 88's) and has publicly announced that he is home-schooled, hence 'without formal education" or Sans niv. And he has posted a mere 4 times so far.

Would GH know this home-schooling info? Maybe. Why would he hint at Warman? If we figure out who the clue points too (if it indeed points to any player) what will it tell us - the identity of a mafia or the det or some new special role?

So, all I have now is not a full Finger, but rather a tiny Pinky of Suspicion (PoS: Warman).

[TinCow]

I don't think we've got enough letters yet to figure out what it says. It would be unbalanced if GH had provided a way for the town to figure out who the mafioso are this early in the game. It's probably timed to become more easily solvable at the do-or-die point for the town. If it's an anagram, we definitely cannot solve it right now since we're missing letters. We could be missing the first half of the phrase and not even be aware of it, so that makes anagram crunching nearly impossible. I think it's more likely that it's a direct clue, though, without further coding. I agree that it's intended to read "sans niv...." as that does seem like a plausible start to a sentence so far.

That said, I think we need to keep this whole letter thing in perspective. Let's make sure we check it each day for the updates and try to figure it out, but it was be a HUGE mistake to ignore all the normal methods of post analysis and detective results. Those methods have worked perfectly fine in the past and they should not be abandoned or ignored. It would be far easier for a clever mafioso to screw up our analysis of the letters than our analysis of the entire thread. We need to continue focusing on the information available in the thread itself, and use the letters as a 'bonus'.

[KukriKhan]

Good perspective TinCow. Besides, I'm going cross-eyed trying different cyper-keys, and reading up on the various numerological systems and adherents - ye gods, they're as bad as conspiracy theorists. I was almost convinced that I was a secret communist-terrorist-Member of the Circle-trigon Klingon society. :beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kills are going to be up a little late tonight. Apologies, but I just came back from a Mock Trial banquet and have about 30 pages of final essays to write over the next two nights, so yeah. They will be up though.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think we need a rule that any post about the missing letters must also contain something about the regular discussion.

So that I don't break my own rule, um, fos:tincow

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Nature itself, perhaps disturbed by all of the attacks on the village in the past days, seemed to be unsettled. The birds-

Oh, screw the birds.

Crazed Rabbit was hiding out on a small farm on the outskirts of town. He had picked it specifically because of its size, obscurity, and distance away from downtown, where the previous day's villains had shown themselves. Rabbit knew he would be isolated, but didn't care that much. The Chief of Police always found a way to summon everybody, no matter where they were hidden.

He was currently located not in the farmhouse, but in the empty barn nearby. With daylight poking through the cracks, Rabbit decided to explore the vast space and search for hiding places. Aside from a couple of stables, there really weren't many features at all aside from the usual hay littering the floor.

"Peasant Phill wuz here" was scratched into one of the many slats of wood.

The total silence of the place was both overwhelming and comforting. For better or for worse, Rabbit knew that he was completely alone. Yes, there was no mafioso, but there was also no help, no rescue. He was on his own.

Several hours passed by, with the barn heating up by the minute. It would be a scorcher today, and Rabbit, used to blasting the air conditioning in his comfortable house, just couldn't fight through it. At a bit before noon, he opened the barn door and stepped out into the air.

Immediately, a man nearby, holding a hoe, turned. Despite his location, the farm tool was the one thing that looked out of place, for the man was dressed in a trenchcoat and fedora and smoking what looked to be a Cuban cigar. Rabbit couldn't understand how this man could stomach the heat.

The well-dressed man waved at Rabbit, gently setting the hoe aside and making his way towards the other person.

"Morning!" he said cheerily. "It's certainly a hot one, but it's still a beautiful day!"

Rabbit was not convinced, the sense of dread passing over him. "What are you doing here?"

The man looked taken aback. "What do you mean what am I doing here?" he said. "This is my farm! I could ask the same thing about you!"

"This farm was abandoned. Nice try, mafioso."

Smoked out, the mafioso fumbled around for a second. Only a second. "Uh, um..." he said, bending down. In a flash, his revolver was out and firing; Crazed Rabbit went down screaming. Both of his kneecaps had been hit. He was effectively paralyzed.

Rabbit was prepared to take the finishing blow. Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune. Opening a secret compartment, the mafioso rummaged around until he found what he wanted and walked out, still humming the same tune.

As the mafioso approached closer and closer, Rabbit could read what he was carrying; it was a container of some sort with the letters "PETROL" stamped on it.

Being unable to get away, Crazed Rabbit could only watch and feel the wetness as the mafioso emptied the contents on the container onto him. Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

It was over extremely quick.

woad&fangs had a similar approach to surviving any contact with persons of questionable affiliation, although it was a variation on the theme. Instead of opting for solitude, W&F had instead chosen security, fortifying his own house to the point where it resembled an army checkpoint more than a domestic dwelling.

Like any smart citizen, he had his plan mapped out. Around the full perimeter of his property (and extending a bit off it, in case anybody wanted to try a drive-by grenading) was a series of invisible lasers. If the connection was tripped, an alarm would go off in woad's house, alerting him first that the connection had indeed been tripped and then what sector it had been tripped in. Depending on this second piece of information, woad would make a quick exit off his property in the direction away from the alarm tripper, while his defense system activated, pinning down would-be attackers with machine gun fire from multiple directions.

"In case of mafioso, always have an escape plan," woad muttered to himself, paraphrasing the popular maxim regarding fire safety. "God, what a mess this town is. If we had a better police force then we wouldn't need to worry about-"

WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP

The alarm sounded, cutting off woad's soliloquy. He checked the details: The alarm had been tripped in the front of the house, which also happened to be the most heavily-fortified. Peeking at his front windows to make sure there wasn't a false alarm, he saw a dark figure carrying what was definitely a weapon.

Time to get out. W&F would go the back way, an added bonus to having the attacker approach from the front, because immediately behind his house there were woods. It was perfect cover to have him disappear for a while whilst the mafioso would have to answer the deadly crossfire from the five machine guns tasked to defend that particular side of his house.

He burst out the door and sprinted through the woods, tripping his own alarm (but the guns wouldn't fire; he had programmed that in)... and stopping dead as a figure holding a shotgun, right outside the laser line, was waiting for him.

"How... what... how?" woad stammered in disbelief.

"Depardmed store dubby", the man said nasally. It appeared that his nose had recently been broken. Without any more words, he pointed the shotgun at his shocked victim and pulled the trigger.

"What a waste of weapodry," the man said to himself and walked away.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut had the remaining villagers gathered in the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "We all know why we're here, so let's get this over with. Get voting!"

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (27)
Ichigo
RoadKill
TinCow
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Mithrandir
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Fenring
Lord Winter
CountArach
Kommodus
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
Kagemusha
georgeman51
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink

[Beefy187]

For once I am in track of whats happening because im the first one to post after the kill :laugh4:

From now on ill try to be active as possible seeing as all my assignment are done and I dont study 24/7 for my tests anyway.

Personally I dont think we need to worry to much about the code. I doubt that GH is willing to give the mafia away this early in the game which is pretty hard for the mafia to win. Im no good at codes but perhaps read it other way around could mean something.

As for mafia, I have no clue for now. I will look closely this round for once though

[Sarathos]

Hey GH, when are the WOG's going to happen?

Just with the letters thing, I don't think its a number cyper so KukriKhan, you can probably chill out a bit.

I don't think there is much to say because Woads and CR were pretty inactive so it looks like the mafia going after the lurkers. Random Vote: Caius, he is on Shlin's list.

[woad&fangs]

I resent the statement that I was inactive.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

OK, things are going very slowly this morning, probably because everyone is, like me, awiting GH's write-up before attempting to go into any more analysis.

I'd hazard a guess that the letters and clues are a french phrase as well. Its much more continuous, and imo, it would be too early for GH to 'reveal' the mafia, even through clues. This is, as Tincow said, distracting us from the task at hand. While we should continue to note any further missing letters, we should concentrate on the usual methods of mafia-hunting, discussion and analysis. Any gains due to the riddle will be long-term in nature.

As to the whys and wherefores that Kukri mentioned, it is possible that Tevash was the detective, what other reason could he have for revealing said clue?

As I said yesterday, I'd like to hear more out of Sigurd, but as of this moment I shall Vote:Abstain.

[Privateerkev]

abstain? :inquisitive:

I admit the letter hunting is fun but I think people have allowed themselves to get distracted.

I say keep looking at FH and Khaan. Especially Khaan.

[Sarathos]

it is possible that Tevash was the detective, what other reason could he have for revealing said clue?
Special role...?
peverpink's excuse for his fake reveal was 'protecting the detective', so that could mean the detective is still alive or pever was mafia and he is lying, both are equally likely.


I say keep looking at FH and Khaan. Especially Khaan.
Ok, Vote:makaikhaan.

[Privateerkev]

peverpink's excuse for his fake reveal was 'protecting the detective', so that could mean the detective is still alive or pever was mafia and he is lying, both are equally likely.

Or pever was just messing with us for fun. If he was protecting the detective, he sure went about it in a funny way. He throws a "joke" vote on disco and then all of a sudden "reveals" when he sees he attracted more attention than he wanted.

And I am touched that you trust me so much but would you care to give your own reasons for voting for khaan?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I agree with Kev's reasoning about Pever. It is likely that he was messing around with us for fun, and claimed detective partly to save himself and partly in the hope that if the real detcetive is alive, that would give him a carte-blanche as it were. Seen as his claim was poorly thought out and executed, his hope would have been in vain.

Also I think this has been said before, but I'm fairly sure, and I await veteran players to back me up on this, that GH's games generally have a dearth of roles, aside from the mafiosi and detective.

Abstain in this case PK means I'm here, and still interested. I just don't have strong enough suspicions to vote for anyone yet, and seen as we have an extended voting period, I will be throwing out my vote later.

Also I think that it is pretty much a given that you are innocent PK (naive on my part I know), but there have been differences between the style of the two kills in each GH's write-ups. All the same Sarathos, what are your reasons. Even if PK is innocent, he only has the same information as the rest of us...

[Privateerkev]

Also I think that it is pretty much a given that you are innocent PK (naive on my part I know), but there have been differences between the style of the two kills in each GH's write-ups.

While I appreciate the vote of confidence, do not assume that separate write-ups mean two different killers. In Taormina, we were able to make our write-ups look pretty much however we wanted. Sasaki killed as Carelli, Yakuza, and Manfredo.

So, there could very well just be one killer left who is doing two separate write-ups in order to look like two different people. Just something to keep in mind.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

As I said that is naivety on my part. And thats something that I haven't considered before. Gah!

[CountArach]

Crazed Rabbit is a strange choice for killing. He is always someone who attracts a lot of suspicion (like Sasaki, but not to the same extreme). To me this points to someone who knows that he is a good player (as he indeed is), but is not experienced enough to realise that keeping CR alive is a good idea. So is there anyone who fits that description AND is on one of the lists from the letters?

Also an idea that is just out of left-field with the letters. It could be Sans NIV, the NIV being a translation of the bible (Wiki of NIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version)). So perhaps an Atheist? It seems unlikely, but you never know.

[Sigurd]

No WoG's yet?
I will put my finger of suspicion on a few of the lurkers; Caius, Mithrandir, Tiberius, AntiWarman, Fenring, Kommodus, Quintus, georgeman and Joe Monks.
You have all less than 5 posts in this game.

RL in the way of playing or are you trying the win recipe of Kagemusha?

vote: Kommodus. You should at least be posting your thoughts by now.

[Sarathos]

Or pever was just messing with us for fun. If he was protecting the detective, he sure went about it in a funny way. He throws a "joke" vote on disco and then all of a sudden "reveals" when he sees he attracted more attention than he wanted.
I am fully aware of that and I did state that in my original post. I am not really sure which what he was trying to do but I agree about the fact that it was very strange, that leads to think he was trying to get out of this joke vote. Though pever is rather a strange character so something as unorthordox as that wouldn't surprise me at all.

My reason for voting khaan is because there is very little information. The kills are random (and now appear to be targeting lurkers) and the night write-up hasn't been posted yet. the only other thing is the letter clue which everyone has been debating whether it is even relevant. I voted khaan because you said to "keeping looking at him." Now one vote isn't going to do any harm but it might get his attention. Now I voted makaikhaan because I trusted that you had good reason to give the advice to "watch him" so by questioning my you are effectly questioning your own reasons. Are you trying to discredit yourself...?

[Andres]

Too much talk about possible clues in missing letters, which might as well be simple spelling mistakes or just a puzzle created by GH for fun (I wouldn't be surprised if the solution of the "puzzle" would be something like "there are no clues in my write-ups") nothing, not enough looking for suspects.

I'm getting bad vibes from Kukrikhan and FactionHeir. Don't have time to go over their posts right now.

And Sasaki still didn't answer my question. Why the FoS on TinCow?

[shlin28]

Why is Khaan the most suspicious?

[TinCow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it still the night phase?

[shlin28]

GH posted night kills on the previous page I think.

[Andres]

While I was in my coffin, enjoying being dead, I saw this post:


Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet.

Crazed Rabbit and woad&fangs have been killed.

Proper descriptions will be added in tomorrow afternoon. This voting round will be extended, ending Friday Morning/Afternoon GMT-5. Apologies, but after tomorrow my schedule should ease up a lot.


I think it's day now... as if my eternal soul cares about trivialities like night and day :snobby:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

KK,

@Count Arach: Your idea is a good one, but I'd reject it on the basis that NIV, stands for New International Version (I think), and the original message (and the beginning of this one), is in french. I'd wait for the next set of clues (read missing letters) before we get too far off topic.

@ Sarathos: Thanks for elaborating, but I'd suggest that to take someone elses reasons, which you don't even know and straight away to vote based on that smacks of naiveity (then again I can't talk), and dare I say it seems to be very similar in principle to bandwagoning. :inquisitive: . At the same time my posts may have encouraged you (to believe PK: a) is innocent; b)has good instincts), but I'd advise you to come up with your own reasoning in the future...

...btw PK, have you any reasons for us to be looking at Khann...

...and both you and Andres have mentioned FactionHeir, someone I had a FOS on before (can't remember why though.. must go look)... again any particular reasons?

[Privateerkev]

Now I voted makaikhaan because I trusted that you had good reason to give the advice to "watch him" so by questioning my you are effectly questioning your own reasons. Are you trying to discredit yourself...?

I don't know. Something just seems off about Khaan. He is really good as mafia so it's hard to tell. It's just a hunch. I don't have anything better on anyone else at the moment.

But no one should take my hunch and vote based just on that. You should know better. It's almost as if you are using me as an excuse to place a vote so you won't look suspicious.

People should post their reasons for voting. Doing it just because a ghost gives their opinion, and then trying to discredit said ghost smells a little scummy all on it's own.

So you trust me so much you'll vote for someone but now you try to discredit me? You can't have it both ways...

[shlin28]

I don't think Sarathos is acting TOO strangely, in my opinion he is just a casual player who was never too good at analysis... like me.

Interesting that only a few live people has posted, all of the others are dead :skull: Where are the others??? Lurking maybe?

Vote: Kage

Random lurker :juggle2:

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Kommodus

Where art thou, Holmes? You've been extremely quiet thus far...

[Privateerkev]

I don't think Sarathos is acting TOO strangely, in my opinion he is just a casual player who was never too good at analysis... like me.

Yeah but he is trying to blame me for his own lack of analysis. His reasoning is that if his actions are bad, it is because of my own bad analysis and is not actually his fault.

He is the one that is responsible for his own vote. While I can forgive a lack of analysis, I find his defensiveness and "passing the buck" to be disturbing.

[TinCow]

Interesting that only a few live people has posted, all of the others are dead :skull: Where are the others??? Lurking maybe?

I am holding off this round until the write-up is posted.

[FactionHeir]

What he said.

[Craterus]

How convenient for you both...

[FactionHeir]

Of course. Will you vote me for that? :clown:

[Craterus]

Oh, that is low! :no:

[TinCow]

How convenient for you both...

Says a man who also hasn't posted anything of substance during this day phase. :inquisitive:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Post Count: Name, Posts, post per page [40 post page setting] * = likely WOG
Bolded names are innocent murderees. Underlines are lynchees. RED post rates are VERY different from previous play and worthy of examination.


Privateerkev 68
GeneralHankerchief 45 -- Host
FactionHeir 32 2.29/ppp compared with 0.21/ppp in Capo2
Ichigo 27 1.93/ppp compared with 1.72 in Taormina and 1.05 in Capo2
Andres 23
KukriKhan 23 1.64/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.69 in Capo2
TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?
Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2
Sasaki Kojiro 21 1.5/ppp compared with 3.41 in Taormina and 2.7 in Capo2
Sarathos 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.17 in Taormina and 0.44 in Capo2
shlin28 20 1.43/ppp compared with 0.45 in Taormina and 0.77 in Capo2
Craterus 18 1.29/ppp compared with 0.87 in Capo2
makaikhaan 17 1.21/ppp
LittleGrizzly 16
peverpink 16
woad&fangs 14
Seamus Fermanagh 13 0.93/ppp
Sigurd Fafnesbane 12 0.93/ppp
Gaius Scribonius Curio 11 0.78/ppp
CountArach 11 0.78/ppp
Kagemusha 9 0.64/ppp compared with 1.16 in Capo2
Tratorix 9
discovery1 9 0.64/ppp
RoadKill 8 0.57/ppp
Rythmic 8 0.57/ppp
Beefy187 7 0.5/ppp
TevashSzat 6
Crazed Rabbit 5
Caius 4 0.29/ppp
Quintus.J.Cicero 4 0.29/ppp
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88 4 0.29/ppp
Tiberius of the Drake 3 0.21/ppp
Fenring 3 0.21/ppp
Joe Monks 3 0.21/ppp
Kommodus 3 0.21/ppp
Omanes Alexandrapolites 2 0.14/ppp
Mithrandir* 2 0.14/ppp
Lord Winter* 1 0.07/ppp
georgeman51* 1 0.07/ppp

Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?

[shlin28]

Whoa... I doubled my post per page count from Capo, awsome :2thumbsup:

I guess my count went up because in Capo, there were many other potential lynchees, so I can get by with fewer posts, but here there are fewer people, so I need to make posts, lest I be lynched :skull:

[TinCow]

TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?

In Taormina I was a townie for the first 3 days, then mafioso. Wasn't aware I could go mafioso until I was 'recruited.' I haven't been posting as much because I've generally been pretty busy in RL over the past week. I just don't have as much time to devote to in-depth analysis as I would like. The LotR people can confirm that over the last week my participation there has been pretty much limited to stuff I need to do to keep the game running. That's one of the reasons I'm cautious about the 'letters' thing; I don't have time to go back and check the accuracy of what other people are telling me, so I've got to assume that the letters they pull out of the write-ups are accurate. I don't like relying on other people for that kind of info.

[Privateerkev]

Omanes was killed as well and should be bolded and removed as a potential WoG.

FH and TC, lack of the write-up is just an excuse. You both should start posting your thoughts now. We can always search for missing letters later. :yes:

And TC, you can find the missing letters yourself in about 1 minute by simply "quoting" GH's write-ups and using spell check. Hope this helps. :beam:

[FactionHeir]

I would explain my higher post count here in comparison to Capo with me being a lurker in Capo as mafia and feeding results to Don and Buddy to publish instead. Besides, there was a page or two in this game where it was more or less back and forth between me and PK.

Happy? :tongue2:

[Craterus]

Says a man who also hasn't posted anything of substance during this day phase. :inquisitive:

I'm dead and also confirmed innocent. I'm not really obliged to do anything.

I've given a list of suspects and all of those people are still worth lynching IMO. That's my contribution. Whether the town chooses to follow it is up to them.

Have a nice day! :nice:

EDIT: Here's the list, once again: TinCow, Elite Ferret, FactionHeir, Kagemusha and Sasaki.
Interestingly enough, my list is supported by SF's posting rates analysis. Looks like I was onto something...
Also, Seamus, if bolded people are the dead, you forgot to bold me.

[Privateerkev]

EF was lynched Craterus.

Also, Seamus's list has Tratorix, Omanes, and Craterus as alive when they are dead.

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
woad&fangs
Crazed Rabbit

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink

[Kommodus]

Ungh, I should not have signed up for this. This summer is just not going to be a good time for me to be playing mafia. I will do my best to get caught up and try to find the mafia sometime before the end. In the meantime,

Vote: |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

Really, this is just to prevent myself from being WoG'd, since WoGs never help the town in any way. Rather the mafia kill me or the townspeople lynch me so at least it's not a total waste.

[Craterus]

Ok, fine.

TinCow, FactionHeir, Kagemusha - Updated list.

Sasaki has been removed because I think he's just too busy at the moment. As mafia, he usually maintains his activity. So yeah, I think the lack of posts is due to him not having a special role and not having as much time.

Look into the other three, town.

[Privateerkev]

Ok, fine.

TinCow, FactionHeir, Kagemusha - Updated list.

Sasaki has been removed because I think he's just too busy at the moment. As mafia, he usually maintains his activity. So yeah, I think the lack of posts is due to him not having a special role and not having as much time.

Look into the other three, town.

I agree that Sasaki is most likely busy in real life. He is normally much more active, regardless of the role.

I'm not sure what TC has done that is suspicious. He seems to be playing much like he always does and I can confirm that he is not very active in LotR right now.

I don't see why people suspect Kag either. Though this is my first time playing a Mafia game with him so I don't know how he normally is. I think pever's "reveal" was bogus so anyone who uses that as an excuse should get a big FoS towards them.

FH seems a little suspicious to me. Hard to put my finger on why but it is a hunch.

Same with Khaan. These two would be my top two suspects for now.

A distant 3rd would be Sarathos. He got far too defensive for my taste when I asked for him to give a reason for voting for Khaan.

[Craterus]

My suspicion is based on their posting style and the nature of their posts. It's a fine art appearing active and helpful when you're mafia and these guys have had a few sentences in some of their posts that have indicated, to me, that all is not well.

So yeah, just a hunch. ~:)

[Tratorix]

Looking back over some of Sarathos' posts, i'm a bit more suspicious of him now. He isn't usually as involved as he seems to be trying to be now. Seems a bit like a mafia player trying too hard to fit in to me.

[woad&fangs]

People suspect Kage because he is a good mafioso and his lack of post is spooking people.

CapoII is a horrible benchmark to measure stuff by. It is unique and I would only resort to using it as a reference if it's the only game a person has played in.

FoS: Tincow, Factionheir
While I am very interested in the contents of the full writeup, "sitting out" until it comes out is scummy.

Also FoS: Sarathos for having an unusually high number of posts and for being so thick skulled as to think me and CR getting whacked in the same night is "the mafia killing off lurkers".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Capo2 is just as good a benchmark, for the players who went fairly deep into the game, as any. Admittedly some of those who died early just faded away, and it would distort things for them.

TinCow's activity level seems to be a reversion to the baseline. I'll compare him in Taormina and Underworld (active bad guy in both) to see if he's consistent there. If so, we can provisionally label him a townie.

Sasaki may simply be busy -- or cagey -- he's a bright lad and capable of either. Plus, he's been posting often enough in the backroom to make me think he's not quite as absent as some believe.

Kommodus' explanation is very much in his style, albeit unsatisfying for this outing. Pity too, I had played the first few phases specifically to see if I could sidestep Holmes.

More thoughts later.

Edit: TinCow's other badguy big game -- Netherworld -- saw him posting at 3.0/ppp; very much in line with his mafia role in Taormina and suggestive of a non-mafioso status this time.

Sarathos was 0.54/ppp in Netherworld as a townie. Not in line with this game....

[Privateerkev]

Sasaki's FoS's on TC are pretty weak. He normally provides much more analysis.

A Sasaki/TC mafia team would be quite potent. But I don't have any more evidence other than the "they are good players" reason that I tend to not like. But it might explain why Sasaki is throwing such "weak" suspicion onto TC. Could be to get us off of their scent. Again, it isn't even a hunch. Call it the tiniest of inklings...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

See above comments.

Vote: Sarathos

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:TinCow

For a few reasons. Basically a few "convenient" posts.

I've been inactive because it's been wicked hot and muggy in my room (+ the three day road trip) and I figured I may as well see how things develop without my meddling.

[Privateerkev]

For a few reasons. Basically a few "convenient" posts.

Care to give examples of which of his posts you find "convenient"?

You usually present a much stronger case against people than this.

[Kagemusha]

Well you can FOS me all you want and i can tell you it will only get worse, because while last weekend i was on a cruise boat trip to Tallin, tomorrow il be leaving to a rock festival for the next weekend. I am truly sorry that my vacation schedule has not been good for the game.

[Ferret]

Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2

Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?

That obviously proves me innocent, even though I'm dead, as I was mafia in Capo (hence the low post count) and in the middle of exams in Taormina.

[Privateerkev]

The summary is up. Time to analyze it so TC and FH feel like posting again. :clown:


Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

An extra E. I would discount this for now unless we get a hint to look for extra letters.


Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

The proper spelling of this word is "sufficiency" so that is an I and a C that are missing.

S A N S N I V I C

[FactionHeir]

It would be questionable where it would be CI or IC though as the I can be placed either way.

Neither word seems to mean anything in google besides some people's names or companies.
Going through manually I couldn't find any more missing except maybe depardmed maybe missing an n, but then in the previous writeup a letter was also omitted (instead of replaced) in the broken nose writeup.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Care to give examples of which of his posts you find "convenient"?

You usually present a much stronger case against people than this.

I don't remember exactly, I think it was his gerrymandering about the pever issue and something before that as well.

[Privateerkev]

Going through manually I couldn't find any more missing except maybe depardmed maybe missing an n, but then in the previous writeup a letter was also omitted (instead of replaced) in the broken nose writeup.

I admit I am ignoring the broken nose comments for the purpose of this exercise. At least unless we get some hint to go look at them.

I'm going for what is "missing". Not "replaced" or "added". It's a gamble but I'm going by what the hint said.

[Craterus]

I admit I am ignoring the broken nose comments for the purpose of this exercise. At least unless we get some hint to go look at them.

I'm going for what is "missing". Not "replaced" or "added". It's a gamble but I'm going by what the hint said.

Missing isn't the clue. Lost letters. A letter could well be lost if it has found its way somewhere it shouldn't be. :scholar:

[TinCow]

Vote: FactionHeir

Seamus' analysis of the post history seems pretty accurate to me, and it fingers FH. Plus, I was just glancing through the 'Drunk Lawyers' game (how could I not read that one every once in a while?) and noticed this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1943873&postcount=126) by FH. Apparently FH has recently and intentionally changed his style of play. This fits in well with Seamus' analysis. The question then remains why FH changed his play style. I can think of several reasons, but one has a big old mafioso stamped on it. Plus, I can't think of a better vote at the moment.

Happy PK?

[FactionHeir]

So your assumption basically is that I am a mafioso in both games because the style and posting frequency is the same?
Then I might just as well say that because your posting frequency and style is the same as in Capo and Taormina where you were mafia, you are mafia here? Something about fuzzy logic I would believe.

Regardless of that, I have already FoSed you earlier for several sudden changes of mind and some discrepancies in your posts several pages back, if someone would like to dig them up (and check they have not been edited thereafter) that might show that TC may be hiding something.

For the moment however I think Craterus' idea is interesting, but from the other typos so far, they don't seem to suggest a connection between our found letters and those misspells.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, unvote: Kommodus, due to his recent post. Unfortunate that Kommodus won't be very helpful.

Vote: FactionHeir. Changes in style can be for many reasons, and many of them are not conducive to town victory.

EDIT:

Tally:

FactionHeir: 2(TinCow, makaikhaan)
Caius: 1(*Sarathos)
Abstain: 1(Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Kommodus: 1(Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Kagemusha: 1(Shlin28)
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88: 1(Kommodus)
Sarathos: 1(Seamus Fermanagh)
TinCow: 1(Sasaki Kojiro)

*Sarathos never unvoted Caius, thus his vote for me is, at the moment, null

[FactionHeir]

To be honest I don't really care if I'm lynched or not, since I can continue to analyze the code alongside PK then as a confirmed innocent if you will.
The only thing that is lost is an active vote, but we still have enough of those anyway.

[TinCow]

So your assumption basically is that I am a mafioso in both games because the style and posting frequency is the same?
Then I might just as well say that because your posting frequency and style is the same as in Capo and Taormina where you were mafia, you are mafia here? Something about fuzzy logic I would believe.

You're a mafioso in the Lawyers game? I just opened the last page looking for a write-up (I wanted to see how Andres wrote lawyers killing each other) and saw that post a short way down. I didn't read much farther so I don't know what role you have in there.

Also, it is your logic that is fuzzy, because Seamus' conclusion that I was townie in this game was based on the fact that my posting frequency is much lower than in games when I was mafia. I admit this annoys me, because I wanted to be consistent in my games.


Regardless of that, I have already FoSed you earlier for several sudden changes of mind and some discrepancies in your posts several pages back, if someone would like to dig them up (and check they have not been edited thereafter) that might show that TC may be hiding something.

If you think I'm mafioso, then vote for me. Better than voting for someone you don't think is mafioso. Sasaki has already popped a vote on me and people have been FoSing me since the game started, so I think I'm an easy target for a bandwagon.

[FactionHeir]

Voting you would be a retaliation/meatball vote and bad practice. :no:
I'm happy with abstaining for the moment until some actual damning evidence is available.

[Joe Monks]

Since I am still not mafia I would like to point out that I think sarathos is Mafia.

Joe

[FactionHeir]

These are all posts (besides "Innage.") that Joe Monks posted so far:



As I am not Mafia I better post quick




vote:pever

I will jump on the most awesome bandwagon if possible.




Since I am still not mafia I would like to point out that I think sarathos is Mafia.

Joe


I don't think this needs any other explanation but vote: Joe Monks

[Joe Monks]

you really think I am Mafia??

Thats a little quick Factionheir.

Vote:FactionHeir

[woad&fangs]

After checking his posts in previous games I also believe that a Joe Monks bandwagon should be starting right about now.

[Csargo]

Vote:Joe

I would follow Woads to hell and back.

[FactionHeir]

Looks more like a retaliation bandwagon on me. He's third on it as well heh.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

you really think I am Mafia??

Thats a little quick Factionheir.

Vote:FactionHeir

You should vote for TinCow.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

K I'm going to be inactive probably all the rest of the day phase (RL issues).

As FactionHeir was top of my (admittedly short) list of suspects, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: Faction Heir.

I looked in on 'The drunk lawyers' thread and noticed a difference in posting style (I may be wrong), but you were on Seamus's list and I don't want to 'waste' my vote.

See you all tomorrow (...hopefully).

[Joe Monks]

You should vote for TinCow.


Why?

I may be watching "Catch me if you can" the movie right now. Since I am not mafia I just want to see who is quick to bandwagon me. Mainly because I am not mafia and I missed most of the thread through not reading it.

Joe

[FactionHeir]

Why?

I may be watching "Catch me if you can" the movie right now. Since I am not mafia I just want to see who is quick to bandwagon me. Mainly because I am not mafia and I missed most of the thread through not reading it.

Joe

That is quite a poor excuse actually since being the first to vote you is hardly a bandwagon, while your vote on me was a bandwagon vote as I already had 2 on me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I wonder if monks has some kind of post restriction...

[Joe Monks]

what do you mean Sasaki?

I cant post everyday due to real life so is that the kind of restriction you mean? I am not the Mafia however.

Joe

[seireikhaan]

Joe Monks has done this sort of thing before in the past, and the town knee jerked by lynching him instead of the extremely guilty TinCow. He's behaving exactly as he has in the past, when he was completely innocent.

[FactionHeir]

So how is TC behaving if you consider all his posts in this thread so far?

[Csargo]

Unvote:Joe, Vote: TC

I would follow Khaan to Hel and back.

[FactionHeir]

:inquisitive:

[Privateerkev]

Happy PK?

I'm happy with anything that helps the town.

Finally, people are talking.

Guys, keep the pressure on FH but spread it around. Don't bandwagon him. Keep some votes on TC as well.

And don't let Khaan off the hook. Sarathos either.

I think Joe Monks is a bad vote right now. You got way better suspects at the moment.

[FactionHeir]

meh. unvote: JM, vote: TC

[Privateerkev]

Ah I get the feeling we're watching mafia members panic.

This is fun.

*gets popcorn and since he is a ghost, it can't be stolen*

[FactionHeir]

More like following what you say and keeping pressure on TC as well.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

FH:

You're a notch more active here than any previous game.

1.54/ppp as a Detective in Netherworld; 1.94/ppp in St. Thomas as a townie; 1.82/ppp as a Bodyguard in Castle I.

Oddly, you seem to increase posting as your role becomes less of a "power role," or at least that's the case so far.... :inquisitive:


Sasaki-san:

You are way below average for you this time around. 'kev is dusting you on post-count! Will you let this go unchallenged?!? :laugh4:

[Craterus]

It's interesting. The town is being led by PK as the most active poster. Makes me wonder whether is first-round antics were in fact a daring gambit to sacrifice one mafioso as a 'confirmed' town (as he was so quick to point out) so that he can then work to lead the town astray. Hmm.

[Privateerkev]

It's interesting. The town is being led by PK as the most active poster. Makes me wonder whether is first-round antics were in fact a daring gambit to sacrifice one mafioso as a 'confirmed' town (as he was so quick to point out) so that he can then work to lead the town astray. Hmm.

This is of course possible. I won't ask you to trust me.

Just consider what would be more helpful to the mafia.

a.) sacrificing one of their two people for the dubious "advantage" of having a ghost in the beginning of the game or,

b.) having 2 people alive to increase the chances of at least 1 surviving to the end.

If the mafia suicides one of their own people, then that lone mafia needs to be both very good and very lucky.

If I was mafia, and my partner said they were going to suicide on Day 1, I would tell them they are crazy.

As for being active, I've been trying to get everyone to be active. If there is silence, mafia can hide in it. The more posting and analysis there is, the better.

[naut]

Interesting theory, Caterus, but it does sound a bit risky.

Vote: Beefy for the same reasons as last round, I never did get a response.

[Craterus]

This is of course possible. I won't ask you to trust me.

Just consider what would be more helpful to the mafia.

a.) sacrificing one of their two people for the dubious "advantage" of having a ghost in the beginning of the game or,

b.) having 2 people alive to increase the chances of at least 1 surviving to the end.

If the mafia suicides one of their own people, then that lone mafia needs to be both very good and very lucky.

If I was mafia, and my partner said they were going to suicide on Day 1, I would tell them they are crazy.

As for being active, I've been trying to get everyone to be active. If there is silence, mafia can hide in it. The more posting and analysis there is, the better.

Everyone wants to pull off something special. I remember when I was mafia with FH in the Pub Crawl game and he chose to use his first kill on Proletariat, the host. Helpful? No. Different, yes.

I'm just saying we shouldn't rule it out. It's always dangerous when the town is being led by one player and it's something that Sasaki usually does very well which is why he's considered such a dangerous player, IMO. I understand that you're trying to create discussion but one player tries to invigorate the scene, it's suspicious. Really, the town should create its own discussion with several posters bouncing some ideas around. I'm sure activity will pick up soon.

[Privateerkev]

I understand that you're trying to create discussion but one player tries to invigorate the scene, it's suspicious. Really, the town should create its own discussion with several posters bouncing some ideas around. I'm sure activity will pick up soon.

I see what your saying. But it gets frustrating when people are like, "well I'm just going to wait before I say anything." :wall:

So, I stoke the fires a little and see what happens. When satisfied, I back off and go to the next lurker/joker/abstainer/suspicious person. The more I can put the spotlight on these people, and get them to talk, the better.

Of course I would prefer if multiple people did it. But a lot of people seem busy in real life or lurking. So I then have one of two choices. I can try to get the discussion going myself, or I can just say !@#$ it and give up. If I do the former, I "might" do some good. If I do the latter, I won't help at all.

[Csargo]

I vote you give up. :grin:

[Craterus]

:bow: I think you're doing the right thing. Was just highlighting the dangers for the town.

[Privateerkev]

I vote you give up. :grin:

And that would help the town how?

You've been acting funny this game but I think it's "goofing off because I'm bored" funny rather than "scummy".

[Tratorix]

:bow: I think you're doing the right thing. Was just highlighting the dangers for the town.

I honestly don't think PK is(or rather was) mafia. In a game with just 2 mafioso, sacrificing 1 just to mislead the town isn't good strategy, unless he is extremely confident in his partners ability to avoid getting lynched. A bad bandwagon or a detective reveal would end the game pretty quickly.

I don't see where this suspicion on Tincow is coming from. His recent posts show he isn't very active at the org in general, not just in this game. Plus, he just doesn't seem like the type to try and lurk through the game to me. I think people are just a bit suspicious of him because of his recent success at mafia.( I'm personally still a bit annoyed about Netherworld, myself. :laugh4:)

Factionheir should probably be lynched though. Even if he's innocent, we simply can't have people arguing over his guilt clutter up every day phase.

[Csargo]

And that would help the town how?

You've been acting funny this game but I think it's "goofing off because I'm bored" funny rather than "scummy".

Less posts to read? :bounce:

I think I've been acting more stupid then funny, but to each his own I assume.

[Privateerkev]

Missing isn't the clue. Lost letters. A letter could well be lost if it has found its way somewhere it shouldn't be. :scholar:

You have a point. :bow:

Here are the "lost" letters I have found.

N2:


The birds had returned since the unexpected disturbance of their morning routine yesterday, although they were not singing, as if wary that there would be a similiar breaking of the silence today.

I added


Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.

S missing, I added


Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.

A missing

D2:


Apparently not having got the message, this obviously coldhearted, callous, unfeeling individual quickly earned the ire of everyone around him by cracking (bad) jokes, voting for weird reasons, and generally ot taking the process seriously.

N missing


You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned. Anyway, go back to your homes and hope we made the right decision.

S missing

N3:


"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car. From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.

N missing, I missing

D3:


An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance.

V missing


Pressing a button, a propellor popped out of the top of Beirut's police hat

O instead of E

N4:


Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

E added


Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

C missing, I missing
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I S I A N S N I V O/E E C I


Thoughts?

[Csargo]

http://www.foodtime.eu/ud/827/

[Beefy187]

Interesting theory, Caterus, but it does sound a bit risky.

Vote: Beefy for the same reasons as last round, I never did get a response.

Look ill bang my head on the wall for unintentional WIFOM :wall: I really should stop doing WIFOMs...

Looking at this round, I don't think Joe Monks is the one we are after. He reacted like a confused townie.

Since I havnt read all the post but only the post after WF and CRs death, I cannot say anything about other two suspects FH and TC. I will vote for TC for the time being while I find a better culprit with my own reasoning

Vote: TC

Also if Rythmic is still suspecious of me, I am more then happy to suicide if I get more then one of dead players command. Im a little too busy still anyway.

[seireikhaan]

So how is TC behaving if you consider all his posts in this thread so far?
To be totally honest, I'm not sure. TC's behavior is hard to decipher in my opinion, because from my perspective anyways(granted, I do not go into the detail that some of our more committed members do), TC's not only relatively consistent in his behavior, but also has little history of actually being a townsperson for a whole game. I say we leave him alive because of his potential value to the town. Some of our more esteemed members may be able to pick up some kind of hiccup in behavior, but I frankly cannot.

I'm also curious about Sasaki. It seems a bit reckless to decide that GH's game will make for a "good experiment" rather than contribute to his full potential.

[Csargo]

Unvote:TC, Vote: Khaan

[Ferret]

Less posts to read? :bounce:

I think I've been acting more stupid then funny, but to each his own I assume.

Howcome I get lynched for being stupid but everyone just ignores Ichigo?

~:mecry:

[FactionHeir]

PK, the first one has a lost I not lost A. similiar should be similar not similir :tongue2:

And yes I think Ichigo's meatballing seems very suspicious.

[Andres]

I'd like to hear more from Kukrikhan.

[TinCow]

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

[Andres]

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

Interesting post :inquisitive:

[FactionHeir]

I'm wondering if his meatballing may be a diversion for something else: anyone got a tally?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ichigo just likes to have fun. He has a veering post style most of the time (regardless of role).

In fact, it's only when things get a bit too "serious" and less "game" that he's apt to opt out of a mafia for a day or two.

[Andres]

Ichigo just likes to have fun. He has a veering post style most of the time (regardless of role).

In fact, it's only when things get a bit too "serious" and less "game" that he's apt to opt out of a mafia for a day or two.

What's your opinion on TinCow's last post?

[Andres]

Kukrihan's post count is also significantly higher then in his last games, where he was pro-town.

Not only that, but most of his posts don't contain much substance.

At the beginning of the game, Kukri wanted to lynch "the lurkers" which is something that shouldn't be done early at the game.

Voting lurkers at the start of a large mafia = voting with bad reasoning.

After that we had the peverpink "reveal". At first he wanted to lynch pever, but later he changed his opinion.



OK, I'll go with the "give pever the benefit of a doubt" plan, because I can't explain his motivation (and he hasn't either). His accusation against Kage is too shaky to trust.

unvote: peverpink
vote: Mithrandir

^^My default position: vote off the lurkers, intentional or not.


If we give pever the benefit of the doubt, then shouldn't Kage be our lynch for today?

If we assume pever is the detective, then what exactly is shaky about "Hi, I'm the detecive and my investigation result shows Kage as guilty"?



Most of the lurkers will be dealt with by the Wrath of God (WoG). We should pay attention to the lurkers within a day or 3, namely to those who haven't posted much and still managed to avoid the WoG by then.

Again he wanted to lynch lurkers. Kukri is more then experienced enough (I believe he already played mafia while I was still a junior member) to know that lynching lurkers must wait until late mid game.

When questioned about it, he started to pay attention to the "lost letters" riddle, which is an easy way to "contribute" without really having to say something or take a stance about other players' behaviour. To me, it seems like his contributions about "the riddle", are just a way to avoid looking suspicious.

We all know Kukri as the nice and friendly guy he is, but that doesn't mean he can't be a mafioso. Just like we shouldn't lynch people because they have the reputation to be "dangerous", we shouldn't let people with a "friendly" reputation of the hook so easily.

[Privateerkev]

Howcome I get lynched for being stupid but everyone just ignores Ichigo?

~:mecry:

I'm not ignoring Ichigo. When you were doing it, I couldn't see any better lynch targets so I focused on getting an un-helpful townie. Now there are better lynch targets so Ichigo is lower on my list of lynch priorities.


PK, the first one has a lost I not lost A. similiar should be similar not similir :tongue2:

Doh! :wall:


Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

No, lynch meatballers "after" lynching suspicious people. :inquisitive:


I'm wondering if his meatballing may be a diversion for something else: anyone got a tally?

I think you are trying way too hard to throw suspicion onto other people. In my opinion, your trying too hard to get out of a lynch.


We all know Kukri as the nice and friendly guy he is, but that doesn't mean he can't be a mafioso. Just like we shouldn't lynch people because they have the reputation to be "dangerous", we shouldn't let people with a "friendly" reputation of the hook so easily.

That is a good point. But TC and FH seem like better targets at the moment. We should look into Kukri later after these two are dead or cleared.

[FactionHeir]

Fine, lynch me, as long as you lynch TC afterwards. Then I'll be happy :grin:

Oh, and of course apologize to me after the game because you lynched a townie. I want to see that :yes:

[Andres]

That is a good point. But TC and FH seem like better targets at the moment. We should look into Kukri later after these two are dead or cleared.

Oh yeah, feel free to ignore the actual case :shame:

Got a hidden agenda, Mister "Let's get myself lynched round 1" ?

Anyway, I'm interested in what Kukri has to say.

Why don't you living guys say :"Vote : Kukrikhan", to put some pressure on him?

[FactionHeir]

Because he must be my scum buddy :clown:

[Andres]

Because he must be my scum buddy :clown:

Are you confessing your sins?

[naut]

Alright Beefy's response seems reasonable.

Unvote : Beefy

Vote: Kukrikhan, what'cha got to say for yourself?

[FactionHeir]

Oi, that's my phrase I used in the Lawyer game.
And yes, I confess to having changed my style. Happy? :grin:

[KukriKhan]

Alright Beefy's response seems reasonable.

Unvote : Beefy

Vote: Kukrikhan, what'cha got to say for yourself?

I say: I am a townie. I have a personal interest in anything having to do with puzzles, codes, word-problems, steganography - it's a hobby of mine. Some of the older backroom posters/readers will remember that little tidbit about me.

Tuesday was a mid-week day-off work for me; I planned to help TosaInu with the forum upgrade, but he declined, saying he'd pretty much finished up already, so I spent the day here instead, playing with GH's 'clues' - to little avail, it turned out, so I eased off that angle.

I disagree with the strategy of waiting to eliminate lurkers in mid-to-end game. They do not help the town, and serve only to complicate their search for bad-guys. If not WoG'd, they often pop up at end-game as mafia, with: "Ha-ha! All I had to do is out-wait you guys!". We're in what, Day 4 now? Meaning the game has gone for a week. Anyone who signed up, yet hasn't posted is highly suspicious to me - moreso than any active poster here. The only active (sort of) poster who seems to be acting uncharacteristically to me is Sasaki Kojiro; I've never seen him post so infrequently, nor have such a blase' accounting for his absence. Heat wave?

vote: Sasaki Kojiro

[Privateerkev]

Oh, and of course apologize to me after the game because you lynched a townie. I want to see that :yes:

I do the best I can with the information I have at the time. Since we very rarely have actual evidence to work with, all we can do is guess. But guessing is better than doing nothing.


Oh yeah, feel free to ignore the actual case :shame:

Got a hidden agenda, Mister "Let's get myself lynched round 1" ?

I have no hidden agenda.

I'm not ignoring Kukri. It's just that a couple other people are looking more suspicious to me at the moment. It's just my opinion. I say focus on FH and TC now. Look at Kukri, Khaan, and Sarathos later. Way down the list, look at the meatballers/abstainers/lurkers.


I disagree with the strategy of waiting to eliminate lurkers in mid-to-end game. They do not help the town, and serve only to complicate their search for bad-guys. If not WoG'd, they often pop up at end-game as mafia, with: "Ha-ha! All I had to do is out-wait you guys!". We're in what, Day 4 now? Meaning the game has gone for a week. Anyone who signed up, yet hasn't posted is highly suspicious to me - moreso than any active poster here. The only active (sort of) poster who seems to be acting uncharacteristically to me is Sasaki Kojiro; I've never seen him post so infrequently, nor have such a blase' accounting for his absence. Heat wave?

Eliminating lurkers early basically gives the mafia a pass. Because all they have to do then is post once or twice a day turn. Leave the lurkers alone until the WoG's happen. Then go after who has not been WoG'd.

As for Sasaki, I do not think he is mafia. In Taormina, where he was mafia, he was very active. In starwars, where he was power-town, he was active. My guess he is a townie who is busy in real life.

Of course, if I'm wrong I'll be kicking myself when the game is over but that is where I stand on him at the moment.

[Joe Monks]

Unvote:FactionHeir Since I am not mafia and i accused him of jumping on a non-existant bandwagon, i have to retract my vote.

Now it seems that people want Tincow to die, and I cant see why? IS it because i have only read pages 20 onwards??

Sasaki should die tho...

Joe

[TinCow]

Now it seems that people want Tincow to die, and I cant see why? IS it because i have only read pages 20 onwards??

From my perspective, it's my reputation combined with decreased input on my part. People are wary of me due to the last two games I was in, and as such they are looking a lot more carefully at what I'm saying. It seems to be the same exact reason people are going after Sasaki. Ironically, the only time I've been lynched in my three games was when I was a townie.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Interesting post :inquisitive:

See? That's what I've been talking about.

[shlin28]

I will Unvote: Kage as I am satisfied with his explainations...

I currently do not know who to vote for, so I will come back and vote a bit later, after a bit more discussion.

[Craterus]

Can you tell us why you put 'I am not mafia' in every post, JM? As well as not contributing anything else?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

See? That's what I've been talking about.

Well, Tinc's posting activity level, as well as the last post preceding this one, seem smooth and in character. The one that Andres twigged on, and which you now use as evidence, does seem a bit "off."

Kukri's style is totally normal, but his activity level is hugely up.

FH is posting with a frequency that says "townie" for him, but with a flippancy that does not.

'Kev seems helpful and pointed, but is risking de-oxygenating the discussion. As you know, Sasaki, scads of posts can be used as an intimidation tool to minimized effective interaction just as readily as to promote it.

[Privateerkev]

'Kev seems helpful and pointed, but is risking de-oxygenating the discussion. As you know, Sasaki, scads of posts can be used as an intimidation tool to minimized effective interaction just as readily as to promote it.

Other people need to post more... :brood:

[TinCow]

I'm curious what people find strange about that post I made. Was it the first part where I was simply applying my usual occam's razor formula to a WIFOM situation, or is it the second part where I was making a joke?

[Privateerkev]

I'm curious what people find strange about that post I made. Was it the first part where I was simply applying my usual occam's razor formula to a WIFOM situation, or is it the second part where I was making a joke?

I thought you were serious with the second part. Humor does not come across well over the medium of text. Therefore, I thought you were really suggesting we vote for a meatballer when we seem to have better suspects at the moment. To me, Ichigo is one of those people we lynch later if we can't find someone else better to lynch.

[TinCow]

If I was really suggesting that we vote for him, I would have changed my vote.

[Privateerkev]

If I was really suggesting that we vote for him, I would have changed my vote.

I admit I am not keeping track of the tallies. It's one of the perks of being dead. :beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Anyone remember what time I said I would close voting? I know the round was extended, but can't remember for how long.

Apologies, I'm running on about 2 hours of sleep at the moment. Schedule is a lot less busy now however.

[TinCow]

Your post which started the day phase was posted on 06-10-2008 at 21:24 EST. So, if you were giving us a 24 hour window, it expired about 19 hours ago. I don't recall seeing you say anything about extending today's vote. If you were giving us 24 hours from the time the full write-up was posted, that would correspond to 5pm EST today, which is in about 30 minutes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

or is it the second part where I was making a joke?

I call BS on this.

[TinCow]

I call BS on this.

So you think that I'm not only a mafioso, but that I actively tried to divert votes towards Ichigo, rather than FH, at a point when it was becoming obvious that either FH or I was going to be lynched? I'm slightly insulted that you think I would do something that dumb.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So you think that I'm not only a mafioso, but that I actively tried to divert votes towards Ichigo, rather than FH, at a point when it was becoming obvious that either FH or I was going to be lynched? I'm slightly insulted that you think I would do something that dumb.

No, I think you waffled on whether Ichigo was a good lynch and claimed you were joking when pressed on it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We have a tie vote between FactionHeir and TinCow. Here's how things are going to go down:

All votes are wiped. The voting round will start again.
All votes must be for either FH or TinCow (or abstain of course).

You have 24 hours, at which time the person with the most votes will be lynched. WoGs will happen at the end of the tiebreaker round.

Day 4 tally:
FactionHeir: 3 (TinCow, makaikhaan, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
TinCow: 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, Beefy187, FactionHeir)
makaikhaan: 1 (Ichigo)*
Kommodus: 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (KukriKhan)
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Kommodus)
KukriKhan: 1 (Rythmic)
Sarathos: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Caius: 1 (Sarathos)*

*Sarathos's vote for khaan is void because he forgot to unvote Caius.

Abstained: 4 (shlin28, CountArach, Kagemusha, Joe Monks)
Didn't vote: Everyone else.

[FactionHeir]

I found it interesting that in Ichigo's meatballing, he took off his vote for TC in time to have me be voted leader until Joe Monks returned the tally to a tie shortly before the end of the voting period. I say there may be some connection there.

vote: TinCow obvious choice for me, but feel free to discuss.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote: FactionHeir, more suspicious than Tincow imo.

Edit: You think there may be a connection between Ichigo and Joe Monks? Seriously or are you just trying to draw attention away from yourself?

[FactionHeir]

I'm saying there is one between TC and Ichigo. Please do read my posts.

And as per nature of mafia games, whatever you do or say can (or rather will) be used against you.
Hypothetically:

I vote TinCow and argue that he is more mafia than I am: I am suspicious because I am distracting away from myself and voting the other tied guy.
I vote myself as proof of innocence: Can be construed as mafia tactic.
I don't vote at all: Trying to sit out until the last minute to make a deciding vote

Personally, I don't care if you vote me or not, but obviously anything I do or say (or for that matter TC does or says) won't change anything, because people will read things their own way and have their own ideas.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Sorry, its early in the morning I'm still not awake.

I'll admit its possible. And I understand that you are in a difficult position.

That said I still believe that you are a more likely mafioso and thus my vote stays.

[FactionHeir]

I'm willing to discuss your belief in my guilt.
What in your mind makes me a likely mafioso? Have I voted in a suspicious manner or changed 360 at some point or refused to vote someone? Or is it just that I act differently from before though in my mind not actually saying anything directly incriminating?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

If you give me a minute to present my case, I shall do. (IE: go back and find the reason that Ivoted for you in the first place.)

As I have been saying all along, I don't have any strong evidence, its more a vibe. The reason I voted for you yesterday (my time), is, as I said at the time, because I was going out and wouldn't be back and active until the vote was concluded. And here I am!

As such I didn't want to be a useless townie and vote abstain (which we all know doesn't help the town), so I went with the name that was top of my suspect list... you.

There was also the fact that Seamus's analysis of posting styles had just been posted. Your posts indicated that you were worthy of some pressure.

I think that the key thing here is that you have automatically assumed that I am adamant that you are mafia. I challenge you to find one instance in this thread where I have stated this. My line the whole time has been that you are worthy of suspicion, in the lack of any other better candidates I will vote FH etc. etc...

It is unfortunate that you have been placed in this position where anything you do or say makes you seem more guilty, but I stand by my assertation that at this moment in time you are more worthy of a lynch that Tincow.

I will go search out my original reasons for finding you suspicious, and will look into Tincow as well to see if there is something that I have missed. But for now my vote stays.

[Privateerkev]

I say both are acting funny. Don't let the person who survives this off the hook.

[TinCow]

No, I think you waffled on whether Ichigo was a good lynch and claimed you were joking when pressed on it.

Are we reading the same post? This is what I am reading:


Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

On one side, I am saying that Ichigo is not a good lynch because his behavior is too reckless to be mafioso. On the other side, I am saying that we might want to get rid of him because his voting style is annoying. The first poses an actual argument and substantiates it with reasoning. The second is just flippant. Is that really so hard to see?

[Sarathos]

*Sarathos's vote for khaan is void because he forgot to unvote Caius
Whoops....

Vote:FactionHeir

On one side, I am saying that Ichigo is not a good lynch because his behavior is too reckless to be mafioso. On the other side, I am saying that we might want to get rid of him because his voting style is annoying. The first poses an actual argument and substantiates it with reasoning. The second is just flippant. Is that really so hard to see?
I don't see a link...

[Privateerkev]

TC:

You seem like your too worried about what Sasaki thinks of your actions. If anything, arguing with him is bringing attention to yourself. He has basically been absent from this game but he seems fixated on you for some reason.

If your town, then just let it go. Help us find mafia regardless on whether you get lynched or not. You seem a little too preoccupied with your own survival for my taste.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm.

I'd vote FH first. Maybe off TC tomorrow.

It's a combination of small things that have me on FH.

KK is being a bit odd. Stuck on lynching the lurkers.

We need to expand the discussion to include more players.

There are two mafia left as of now. The two different types of speech; with and without a broken nose. Mafia do retain physical characteristics in GH's games.

The mafia who killed me likely has a history of playing the game with me. I admit to often brutal kills as mafia - like knee capping and then lighting a person on fire. Seems more excessive than other kills in this game.

If Kommodus isn't WoG'd at the end of the round, more attention should be brought to bear on him. His program doesn't require a great deal of time to run, I think. Of course, he did pop in for a vote to save himself. Odd, since his most valuable asset to the town doesn't require he be alive. He is right that WoGs don't help the town.

I want to hear some more from CountArach. He was my mafia partner in a game where I light someone (Sasaki) on fire.

CR
PS - sorry for my absence, but several days ago I discovered you can instant-view all the seasons of The Office on Netflix, and I work during the day. I'll be back with a vengeance, though.

[TinCow]

TC:

You seem like your too worried about what Sasaki thinks of your actions. If anything, arguing with him is bringing attention to yourself. He has basically been absent from this game but he seems fixated on you for some reason.

If your town, then just let it go. Help us find mafia regardless on whether you get lynched or not. You seem a little too preoccupied with your own survival for my taste.

That's actually what I'm trying to do. Sasaki's arguments have been very flimsy lately and my responses are designed to point that out. Aren't you curious why he has been riding me for most of the game without any substance to back himself up? In the beginning he claimed inactivity, but he has been posting very regularly lately. Whenever I respond, he posts right back just like clockwork. Obviously he's got the time to post, but he's not putting any effort in like he usually does. His excuse is now invalid, yet the behavior remains.

[KukriKhan]

Neither FactionHeir nor TinCow were my choice this phase, because I didn't see either of them acting particularly suspiciously. Rather they seemed sorta helpful. But we're presented with an either-or choice to kill one, so we have to look closely, to get it as close to correct as we can:


I'm saying there is one between TC and Ichigo. Please do read my posts.

And as per nature of mafia games, whatever you do or say can (or rather will) be used against you.
Hypothetically:

I vote TinCow and argue that he is more mafia than I am: I am suspicious because I am distracting away from myself and voting the other tied guy.
I vote myself as proof of innocence: Can be construed as mafia tactic.
I don't vote at all: Trying to sit out until the last minute to make a deciding vote

Personally, I don't care if you vote me or not, but obviously anything I do or say (or for that matter TC does or says) won't change anything, because people will read things their own way and have their own ideas.

The above, FactionHeir, to be honest, does not sound like "you". I think this is the first time I've seen you be condescending ("Please do read my posts.") to another poster, and the first time I've seen you lecture the audience (of fellow mafia players, no less) on the nuances of the "damned if I do, damned if I don't dilemma" that we all commonly face in these games of suspicion. With regret, but growing suspicion, I lean toward you because of this seemingly OOC display.

On the other hand, I have worked with TinCow before, when we tried to salvage a strategy in Capo II. From that experience (his first mafia, I think; my second) I learned that he has a native ability to compartmentalize roles as well as Sasaki Kojiro does. Translation: he can lie through his (digital) teeth with extreme effectiveness. A valuable asset if he's on your side. A formidable weapon if he is against you.

So, although I point FoS: FactionHeir, I await more discussion, and postings by both FH & TC before deciding. Whattheheck; we have 22 more hours.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Grrr... Not really sure this is the choice I'd have wanted. Guess I didn't do enough analysis to help clarify a better choice.

Vote: Abstain

[Privateerkev]

Aren't you curious why he has been riding me for most of the game without any substance to back himself up?

Yes I am... :yes:

He has really puzzled me this game. At first, I put it off to real-life busyness. But more and more I'm wondering if he "changed" his personality for this game. If this is true, the question is why?

He knows I played with him recently as mafia in Taormina so he knows I'm clued into how he operates. If he did change his behavior, would he do it if he was a townie? I suspect, that if he was a townie, he would just be his normal inquisitor self. So, my guess is that he is really busy, or he changed his "style" for a reason. This is all really flimsy. But I'm starting to get a bad feeling about him.

But that doesn't let you off the hook either. I can pretty much say the exact same stuff about you. But I doubt your both scum-buddies. He is pushing you way too hard for both of you to be mafia. The main reason your even on the chopping block is because he keeps pushing the issue.

So, I'm starting to suspect one of you is scum but I don't know which. :shrug:

[seireikhaan]

Vote: FactionHeir. For same reasons as earlier, in addition to his recent, and rather petulant, post.

Also, Fos: KukriKhan. You list a bunch of reasons why you are suspicious of FactionHeir, and yet won't vote for him? Curious, that be...

[Csargo]

I'm saying there is one between TC and Ichigo. Please do read my posts.

Coincidences aren't fun. :no:

[Sigurd]

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a tincow by the toe
If he hollers let him go? No!

vote: Tincow

[CountArach]

I think that TinCow was sitting on both sides of the fence with that post - trying to subtely point people to vote for Ichi, while simultaneously trying to claim he didn't want Ichi killed. Cunning.

Unvote: Whoever...
Vote: TinCow

[discovery1]

Vote:Tincrow for reason's already given.

[Andres]

Are we reading the same post? This is what I am reading:


Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

On one side, I am saying that Ichigo is not a good lynch because his behavior is too reckless to be mafioso. On the other side, I am saying that we might want to get rid of him because his voting style is annoying. The first poses an actual argument and substantiates it with reasoning. The second is just flippant. Is that really so hard to see?

The problem with that particular post is that you do not take a position towards Ichigo. Basically, you are saying : "we don't have to lynch him, but then again, maybe we should lynch him."

This kind of avoiding to take a position, as if you are avoiding to step on someone's toes, is typical mafia behaviour :shrug:

[FactionHeir]

The above, FactionHeir, to be honest, does not sound like "you". I think this is the first time I've seen you be condescending ("Please do read my posts.") to another poster, and the first time I've seen you lecture the audience (of fellow mafia players, no less) on the nuances of the "damned if I do, damned if I don't dilemma" that we all commonly face in these games of suspicion. With regret, but growing suspicion, I lean toward you because of this seemingly OOC display.

On the other hand, I have worked with TinCow before, when we tried to salvage a strategy in Capo II. From that experience (his first mafia, I think; my second) I learned that he has a native ability to compartmentalize roles as well as Sasaki Kojiro does. Translation: he can lie through his (digital) teeth with extreme effectiveness. A valuable asset if he's on your side. A formidable weapon if he is against you.


I admit I forgot the :yes: smiley that I usually put after such sentences to clarify that I was not meaning to be offensive. However, from my personal point of view, mafia games are OOC unless it is a RP style mafia, which this one IMHO is not, so I will use OOC reasoning when writing.
As for the dilemma, I was trying to convey to Gaius that voting based on feelings and damned if you do/don't isn't really helpful for discussion if now you have the time to pressure both and really find stuff out about us.

[TinCow]

Note to self: Use more smileys in mafia games. :wall:

[CountArach]

Note to self: Use more smileys in mafia games. :wall:
The Bandwagon one works particularly well if disco is playing.

[naut]

The Bandwagon one works particularly well if disco is playing.
:laugh4:

Grrr. I dunno who to vote here. TC is very good at manipulating opinion, he seems a bit off it currently though. Factionheir I did have some "bad vibes" about him before, but again I'm unsure. Neither seems the best target. More deliberation required.

Oh and FOS: makaikhaan and Sigurd.

[Andres]

Oh and FOS: makaikhaan and Sigurd.

:inquisitive:

[Quintus.JC]

The game is up.... :holmes:

Vote: FactionHeir

[woad&fangs]

The game is up.... :holmes:

Vote: FactionHeir

Could you please explain why you are voting for him?

[TinCow]

Almost forgot...

Vote: FactionHeir

[Privateerkev]

Here is a tally:

FactionHeir: 5 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sarathos, makaikhaan, Quintus.J.Cicero, TinCow)

Tincow: 4 (FactionHeir, Sigurd Fafnesbane, CountArach, discovery1)


Abstain: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

For abstains, I'm just counting those who actually vote "abstain".

And TC, did you have any reason for breaking that tie just now other than saving yourself?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:TinCow

Either way I expect this will have been a fruitful round.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm sorry, I been a bit busy in RL (goes in cycles :wall:) and I like to commit seppku here, won't be fair if I vote, and not post anything good.

[FactionHeir]

Guys, as I said I think you now all have the perfect opportunity to question us and find the best lynchee for today.
Rather than voting without giving reasons, actually talk!

Ask me anything, I have nothing to hide. I would like to think that the same applies to TC.

[Privateerkev]

If you were really a townie, you wouldn't worry about it so much.

[FactionHeir]

I am not worrying about it at all. I just want the town to have to opportunity (which you now have) to question both of us. Why so hostile though? Is that a bad thing?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm sorry, I been a bit busy in RL (goes in cycles :wall:) and I like to commit seppku here, won't be fair if I vote, and not post anything good.

Understood.

So far we're looking at 6 kills today - 4 WoGs, the seppuku, and the lynch of course.

[Privateerkev]

I don't see myself as being hostile. I just see you and TC as acting "funny". Such an opinion is highly subjective of course but it's not like I have other stuff to go on. So, I say lynch one of you this turn and the other next turn. Unless we get new information.

If your both really townies, then hopefully you'll both stick around while dead and help us out. Since townies win whether dead or alive, it shouldn't really matter right now if you get lynched.

In my opinion, your both trying too hard to stay alive.

[shlin28]

Case against FH:

Change of behaviour

Case against TC:

Suspicious comments



FH I think is innocent because he changed his style in this game and the lawyers one, so unless he is mafia is both... I think he is just a townie.

I don't think TC is guilty is either... since I need to pick one of them... I can only Vote: TinCow

[GeneralHankerchief]

In my opinion, your both trying too hard to stay alive.

That is the goal, is it not? :laugh4:

[Privateerkev]

That is the goal, is it not? :laugh4:

Well, the collective town needs to stay alive. It matters not which individual townies stay alive. Therefore, any specific person who tries too hard to live looks suspicious to me.

[FactionHeir]

I think if this were RL, PK would be going after a Medal of Honor: "As long as humanity lives through my sacrifice, it is worth it" :grin:

[Privateerkev]

I think if this were RL, PK would be going after a Medal of Honor: "As long as humanity lives through my sacrifice, it is worth it" :grin:

Or Spock in Star Trek. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

[Crazed Rabbit]

FH is a bit changed from his only recent self-sacrificing talk. Odd, yes. I still think he's a better lynch than Tincow. But a near tie to the end isn't bad. Tincow is seemingly flying below the radar, a far cry from his townie days in Capo II.

CR

[GeneralHankerchief]

There is a small chance that I may miss the 24 hour mark tonight.

If this is the case, then voting will be closed precisely at 20:16 GMT-5 (exactly 24 hours after I sent the WoG warning PMs). If you cast your vote at 20:17, it will not count.

Unless, of course, we're at another tie, but I'll only go into that if I have to.

[Privateerkev]

new page, new tally:

Tincow: 6 (FactionHeir, Sigurd Fafnesbane, CountArach, discovery1, Sasaki Kojiro, shlin28)

FactionHeir: 5 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sarathos, makaikhaan, Quintus.J.Cicero, TinCow)

Abstain: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

For abstains, I'm just counting those who actually vote "abstain".

[Ferret]

PK reminds me of the Black Hand type people in Hot Fuzz (best film ever), "for the greater good"

[Kommodus]

Vote: TinCow out of respect. :bow:

In Netherworld he had me tricked so completely that I resurrected him even after he'd been killed, handing the victory to his mafia faction. He has pulled the wool over the eyes of a hapless town more times than I can count. Maybe this is what's called being a victim of one's own success!

Also, I am sure that if he's really pro-town he'll remain active in order to help the town. Then again, if he's pro-mafia he'll do the same to confuse the town. Like I said, I'll just have to review everything when I get some actual time.

[TinCow]

In my opinion, your both trying too hard to stay alive.

Sorry, but I simply don't share your opinion on the usefulness of townie death. Townies tend to die quietly because people who get roles with no abilities don't tend to care as much about the game. From a strategy standpoint, though, it's not a good move. Letting myself get lynched does not help the town in any way. Indeed, if one of more of the people who are arguing against me are mafia, going quietly actually hurts the town, because it increases the credibility and control of those mafioso. Your whole 'post while still dead' thing is perfectly valid, but at the end of the day a live townie is better than a dead townie because he can vote. I promise you that I will never, ever die quietly, no matter what role I have. It's bad for your side, no matter what side you're on.

[Privateerkev]

Sorry, but I simply don't share your opinion on the usefulness of townie death. Townies tend to die quietly because people who get roles with no abilities don't tend to care as much about the game. From a strategy standpoint, though, it's not a good move. Letting myself get lynched does not help the town in any way. Indeed, if one of more of the people who are arguing against me are mafia, going quietly actually hurts the town, because it increases the credibility and control of those mafioso. Your whole 'post while still dead' thing is perfectly valid, but at the end of the day a live townie is better than a dead townie because he can vote. I promise you that I will never, ever die quietly, no matter what role I have. It's bad for your side, no matter what side you're on.

But instead of working hard to stay alive, you could be looking for mafia. It is something you can do no matter if your dead or alive. It's not about going quietly. It's about what you say before you go down. I spent my last moments alive this game trying to defend Sasaki. A move I am now coming to regret. But at the time, that is what I thought I could do to help.

Your right that a live townie is better than a dead townie. But a live townie who is trying too hard to live seems more like scum than a townie.

Plus what your telling me now is contradicting a PM you sent me in Taormina. You told me then that you were town and your life didn't matter because you served the town. And this is before you got recruited into Yakuza. Now all of a sudden your life matters? Why the change of heart?

[TinCow]

Because if I ever go quietly, it will be a change in my pattern of behavior which will be easily recongizable. That makes me easier to ID when I have a role in a game. Regardless of what I said to you privately in Taormina, I would have resisted a lynch if one had seemed likely.

[Privateerkev]

Because if I ever go quietly, it will be a change in my pattern of behavior which will be easily recognizable. That makes me easier to ID when I have a role in a game. Regardless of what I said to you privately in Taormina, I would have resisted a lynch if one had seemed likely.

Ironically, I found that PM to be quite inspiring. I didn't use it that game, because I was mafia, but it has guided my actions for this game.

Now that it seems your going to be lynched, would you mind finally giving us your reasons for voting against FH?

new tally:

Tincow: 7 (FactionHeir, Sigurd Fafnesbane, CountArach, discovery1, Sasaki Kojiro, shlin28, Kommodus)

FactionHeir: 5 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sarathos, makaikhaan, Quintus.J.Cicero, TinCow)

Abstain: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

For abstains, I'm just counting those who actually vote "abstain".

[TinCow]

I gave my reasons a long time ago: his change in behavior. Ironically, I actually think Sasaki is now a better lynch, but that's no longer an option for me. I would urge against a knee-jerk FH lynch next round if he survives. Keep pressure on him, but don't lynch him just because he was today's other option.

[Joe Monks]

Vote:Tincow

I reckon he is probably not Mafia - but just to be sure. Also I am not Mafia.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unlike Sasaki, I don't believe either is mafia this time.

What a wretched scenario.

Unvote: Abstain; Vote Sasaki Kojiro

Note: I am aware that this vote is invalid. I lodge it to send a message, not to vex GH.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

(Seamus's vote is doubly invalid because it was made for Sasaki and it was cast after the time limit. This, unfortunately, means auto-WoG. :devilish:

[KukriKhan]

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

(Seamus's vote is doubly invalid because it was made for Sasaki and it was cast after the time limit. This, unfortunately, means auto-WoG. :devilish:


Nevertheless, I, too, vote: Sasaki











and accept my fate.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm not mafia.

[KukriKhan]

I'm not mafia.

To quote an Irishman:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To quote an Irishman:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

To quote our detective, whoever he may be:

[KukriKhan]

To quote our detective, whoever he may be:

:) Indeed. That guy ought to contact somebody he trusts pretty soon to run interference for him.

I'm gonna be pretty pissed if either TinC or FactH turn up maf - fooled again, as it were. But I don't see it so far, for either. The other board reveal, at the end, ought to be interesting.

Farewell M8, I'll try to assist as I can.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It had been a long evening. Chief of Police Beirut, desperate to get home in time to watch his favorite television program (Parking Wars), was mortified to learn that there had been a tie vote and that voting was to thus be extended. Several times he had been fingering his pistol, itching to take it out and blast both "finalists" just to end this thing.

"After all, they're probably both guilty," he mused. "I'm doing the town a favor." But of course, he didn't shoot, as if restrained by some unspoken force, some overser of the town.

Eventually, things finally sorted themselves out (after Parking Wars had finished, of course), and TinCow, lawyer extraordinare, was determined guilty of killing several citizens of the Kingdom of Peace and Love.

"TinCow," Beirut said, "You are hereby found guilty of murder, which, by the state of New Jersey Code of Criminal Justice, falls into the category of 2C:11-2: Criminal homicide." TinCow suddenly started sweating bullets as Beirut pulled out a stack of papers and began reading.

"Criminal homicide, defined as when a person is guilty if he purposely, knowingly, recklessly or, under the circumstances set forth in 2C:11-5, which I will address at a later time, causes the death of another human being. Criminal homicide is divided into subcategories of murder, manslaughter, or death by auto, the charge of murder having already been specified in your case in the first paragraph of my monologue."

The crowd already started filing away. They wanted blood, not somebody droning on and on about somebody's crime! This was highly unlike Beirut.

"Section 2C:11-2.1," Beirut said, "Murder. Now, according to the aforementioned New Jersey Code of Criminal Justice, which doesn't even really apply here but it's the first code I could get my hand on, criminal homicide constitutes murder when:

(1) The actor, in this case being you, purposely causes death or serious bodily injury resulting in death; or

(2) The actor, again, being you, knowingly causes death or serious bodily injury resulting in death; or

(3) It is committed when the actor, still you, acting either alone or with one or more other persons, is engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit robbery, sexual assault (doesn't really apply to you, or at least I hope it doesn't), arson, burglary, kidnapping, carjacking, criminal escape or terrorism perusant to section 2 of P.L.2002, clause 26 (C.2C:38-2), and in the course of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, any person causes the death of a person other than one of the participants; except that in any prosecution of this subsection, in which the defendant was not the only participant in the underlying crime, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant... I'm just going to skip over this part because it doesn't really apply since this isn't a proper court per se, so we'll just move onto...

(4) ...any person convicted under subsection a.(1) or (2) who committed the homicidal act by his own conduct; or who as an accomplice procured the commission of the offense by payment or promise of paymentof anything of pecuniary value, pecuniary defined by dictionary.com as an adjective; 'of or pertaining to money'; or who, as a leader of a narcotics trafficking network as defined in N.J. Section 2, Clause 35-3, and in furtherance of a conspiracy enumarated in N.J. Section 2, Clause 35-3, commanded or by threat or promise solicited the commission of the offense, or, if the murder occured during the comission of the crime of terrorism, any person who committed the crime of terrorism, shall be sentenced by the court to life imprionment without eligibility for parole (for our purpose, we'll change this section to read 'immediate execution'), which sentence shall be served in a maximum security prison (again, this will be changed), if a jury finds beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the following aggravating factors exist:

(a) The defendant has been convicted, at any time, of another murder. This is you, since you've killed multiple people. For purposes of this section, a conviction shall be deemed final when sentence is imposed and may be used as an aggravating factor regardless of whether it is on appeal;

(b) In the commission of the murder, the defendant purposely or knowingly created a grave risk of death to another person in addition to the victim;

(c) The murder was outrageously or wantonly vile, horrible or inhuman in that it involved torture, depravity of mind, or an aggravated assault to the victim (I think the one where you ran over TevashSzat twice before shooting him twice at point-blank range with a shotgun qualifies here);

(d) The defendant committed the murder as consideration for the receipt, or in expectation of the receipt of anything of pecuniary, again defined by dictionary.com as an adjective; 'of or pertaining to money'; value;

(e) The defendant procured-"

"TOO... MUCH... LAW!!!"

"Er, procured... the commission..."

But Beirut's continued droning had become inaudible over TinCow's screaming. Having studied and practiced law all of his adult life, he had finally snapped, declaring "enough" when having a point-black definition of his alleged crime directed at him. Shaking and sweating all over, his hands had moved up to his head, where, after seemingly little effort, TinCow ripped his own ears out in order to make it stop. His head quickly turning into a multiple-spouted red fountain, he reached over to Beirut, wrenched the gun out of his holster, and blasted it at the general direction of himself, not really bothering to aim it. He pulled the trigger again and again, just trying to make contact with something that would end the pain, and finally fell over, dead, after many shots fired.

Beirut quickly got over his shock and addressed the crowd.

"Well," he said, trying to find the right words, "Let this be a lesson to how powerfully boring law can be. Best if you don't get into it at... oh, my Lord..."

Beirut had then noticed what had happened to TinCow's errant shots. They had miraculously connected with four people's heads, and Mithrandir, Fenring, Lord Winter, and georgeman51 were all on the ground, dead, along with |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88, who had inexplicably committed seppuku."

"Uh... I hope to God that one of them was mafia," Beirut said. But in his mind, he was thinking that he was going to have to clean this mess up, and he wouldn't even get home in time to view the late-night episode of Parking Wars.

Day 4a tally:

TinCow: 8 (FactionHeir, Sigurd Fafnesbane, CountArach, discovery1, Sasaki Kojiro, shlin28, Kommodus, Joe Monks) :skull:
FactionHeir: 5 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sarathos, makaikhaan, Quintus.J.Cicero, TinCow)

Abstained: 1 (KukriKhan)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh) (invalid) (now on double-secret probation)
Didn't vote: Everyone else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (21)
Ichigo
RoadKill
TinCow
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
CountArach
Kommodus
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
Kagemusha
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow

PMs please.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

overser
perusant
paymentof
enumarated
occured
comission
imprionment





The underlined words...

missing E
Missing space
Missing R
Missing M
Missing S

should be enumerated
perusant is fine i think

So could enumarated be missing E, added A?

[Sarathos]

Hows that missing letters going btw, I thought everyone agreed that is was only a distraction...

[FactionHeir]

You missed:

extraordinare - extraordinaire (missing I)
perusant - pursuant (major misspell)
carjacking - car jacking (missing space)

[woad&fangs]

I think the word "civilians" can be spelled out with the missing letters now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hows that missing letters going btw, I thought everyone agreed that is was only a distraction...

It's night time...


You missed:

extraordinare - extraordinaire (missing I)
perusant - pursuant (major misspell)
carjacking - car jacking (missing space)

Your right about extraordinaire, (firefox dictionary doesn't have it). Pretty sure carjacking is one word though. Perusant I was guessing was some sort of legalese, guess not.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

"pursuant" is a classic legal-speak word. Sentence structure/content preclude "perusal" (the only other word close to the mis-spelling).

"carjacking" can be rendered as one word or two connected by a hyphen.


GH:

Thank you for your forbearance. It was not, indeed, my intention to remove myself from play.



The Clock Ticks:

19 [will be soon]n, 18d, 16n, 15d, 13n, 12d, 10n, 9d, 7n, 6d=mafia victory.

5 missed lynches = a loss.

1 correct lynch, past or future, adds; 4n, 3=mafia victory.

Woggings would shorten this. If anybody else appears close to a wog, we should cajole/abuse them to some level of activity so as not to over-shorten our time.

[GeneralHankerchief]

GH:

Thank you for your forbearance. It was not, indeed, my intention to remove myself from play.

What, the devilish smiley and the use of the phrase "double-secret probation" didn't tip you off? :laugh4:

[Kralizec]

Crap...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. A chill wind breezed its way through town, perhaps a sign of the times, or more likely, that writers can milk the "ominous weather" metaphor for all it's worth and then some. It was enough to keep most people indoors, as if they needed any more excuses to do so after all of the past attacks, but for some people, it didn't bother them at all.

Rythmic used the ensuing terror to sneak out to Frontroom Hall, the stage where many famous musical acts had played over the years, and steal some of the most powerful equipment known to man. Giant subwoofers, smoke machines, amplifiers that went to 11... yes, Frontroom Hall had it all, and it was now all his.

After taking some considerable time to set everything up, Rythmic took out his special, custom-made guitar, and began jamming like he never had before. Yes, he was doing so in his own bedroom, to an audience that didn't exist, in a town that had quite a few problems at the moment, but dangit, he was rocking out.

He was playing a particular section of Floyd's "One Of These Days" when suddenly, all the windows in his room shattered. Apparently there was such a thing as too loud. Looking down to survey the damage, Rythmic noticed a surprising sight: Someone was down there, with a drum set, looking up and wondering why the rocking had stopped.

Suddenly curious and forgeting about all of the windows, Rythmic picked up right where he left off, closely listening for the sound of drums. Yes, the person below was playing, and in time!

After the song had finished, Rythmic ran outside to greet the man and ask if he was okay. He was in for another surprise on seeing him up close: The drummer was not dressed in the usual rock regalia of a T-shirt and jeans, rather, he was wearing a trenchcoat and fedora that perfectly matched the weather.

"Hello," the drummer said, "Lovely day for rocking, isn't it?"

"Well, the weather kind of sucks, but I guess any day is a good day to rock."

There was a pause as the man nodded in agreement.

"Say," Rythmic said, "I couldn't really hear you that well from inside... mind playing a bit of a solo for me? It's been a while since I've had accompaniment."

"Sure thing," the man said, grinning almost a little too widely. He began into his routine, with Rythmic listening eagerly. Rolls, rim shots, symbol hits, perfect bass... this guy had it all. But sometime through, Rythmic noticed that the drummer had hit a particular head in a particular way, and a particular sound had come out of it.

Unbeknownst to him, the drummer's hit had opened a secret compartment, sending a poison-tipped dart out, silently, at a good speed. A split second later it had connected with Rythmic's neck, and he fell down to the ground in an instant, already choking and spitting. It was over in less than a minute.

"Ba-dum KISH!" the man played, and then walked away.

Across town, Quintus.J.Cicero remained inside, wary that the two deaths from yesterday (not caused by TinCow's insanity on the execution platform, that is) had happened when the two victims had stepped outside for various reasons. While unaware that this was the precise way in which Rythmic had just passed, he knew that there was no way that anybody would get him out of his house, especially not in unseasonably cold weather.

He stayed upstairs, in a room with a good view of his property, just in case a mafioso tried to smoke him out or something. Armed with both a high-powered rifle as well as a hose, Quintus believed that he was prepared for any potential attack.

Then, a black Mercedes with what looked to be a shiny new windshield drove by, towing a large, driverless, moving van. It stopped at a position where the Mercedes was past his house and the back of the moving van was lined up with his front door. Squinting, Quintus could see that the moving company's logo had been crossed out. In its place were the shoddily-painted words "Red Imported Fire Ants".

Quintus gulped. For whatever reason, he was envisioning terrble things. Would a high-powered hose be enough to keep fire ants away?

The window of the Mercedes rolled down and the driver tossed out a projectile of some kind. It seemed to be giving off some sort of aroma, and (just Quintus's luck), it rolled right to the house's doorstep.

The back of the moving van's doors flew open and out marched a seemingly endless column of red ants. They were headed directly for Quintus's house. Horrified, Quintus took his eyes off the windows and ran to a spot where he had a view of his foyer; of course, the RIFAs entered in force.

Gripping the hose and muttering a silent prayer, Quintus began spraying water at his foyer, ruining a perfectly good floor and some furniture, in a desperate attempt to get rid of the ants. It was to no avail. Yes, the ants went flying, but they simply gripped the walls and ceiling and continued their march. Soon they had encompassed the entire foyer and were beginning to move upstairs.

Quintus was almost out of options. The way he saw it, he could continue spraying and eventually be devoured by the RIFAs... or jump and end it now. He was about to choose the latter, when he spied a way out.

"Power lines!" he muttered. "If I climb on these I can shimmy over to the next house and find a way out of here! Let's just see if they can support my weight... I think so, but barely... only one way to find out." And so he began his slow movement to the house across the street. Completely concentrating on putting one hand in front of the other, Quintus only noticed about halfway through that the mafioso was leaning on his Mercedes, watching him, and holding his shotgun.

"Targed pragdice," the mafioso said, and fired.

Quintus let go in pain, falling several feet in a heap. He thought that he would have died from the blast and the fall, but no - he was still alive, though barely, and fully aware, fully conscious...

...of the red imported fire ants now swarming over his body.

The mafioso, satisfied, got back into his Mercedes and drove away.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered all the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "the Frontroom is officially facing a crisis. Our numbers have halved, exactly, in a matter of days. I suggest that we all stop screwing around and truly get to work finding the mafia if you want this scourge to end. Get voting!"

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (19)
Ichigo
RoadKill
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
CountArach
Kommodus
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow

Voting will be extended this round until Monday afternoon, GMT-5, to properly synchronize with my sleep schedule.

[Privateerkev]

Tincow is listed as both "still alive" and "executed".

FoS: Zombie Tincow

:clown:

[seireikhaan]

terrble
Misssing an I.


"Targed pragdice," the mafioso said, and fired.
Two mis-words, in each case a "t" was replaced. Also a "C".

[CountArach]

Two mis-words, in each case a "t" was replaced. Also a "C".
In this case the misspelling is most probably to create an accent and hence I don't believe we should count it. Has anything else been counted as misspelt from this mafioso?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Sasaki

There is little good reason for your decrease in posting. You're count is way down, and many of your votes have been unhelpful, often unhelpful with either little or no reasoning.

Examples like this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937615&postcount=116), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937767&postcount=134), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937874&postcount=153), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937903&postcount=159), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1941642&postcount=362). Of note for this one is that he doesn't ever actually do as he said and clarify or discuss the vote or issues.
Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1942298&postcount=461), Sasaki repeats his FoS of TinCow, but again does not offer any reasoning or clarification for it.Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1943372&postcount=519) he once again does a FoS of TinCow but doesn't offer reasoning. Here he states he even can't recall any actual specific post that actually struck him as suspicious. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1944298&postcount=572)Also this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1944514&postcount=587)



Non-contributory posts like this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937908&postcount=161), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937920&postcount=164), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937945&postcount=172), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937962&postcount=174), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937983&postcount=178), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1942513&postcount=497), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1944534&postcount=591), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1945033&postcount=637), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1946481&postcount=709), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1946494&postcount=711)


Serious posts:
This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1937994&postcount=180), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1938008&postcount=183), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1938328&postcount=209), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1942077&postcount=419), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1942509&postcount=494), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1944098&postcount=566), where he finally offers the faintest of a glimpse of his reasoning and his activity, but frankly, to me, this isn't all that acceptable. Hell, my state's flooded and I can find time to do this post.
This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1945297&postcount=648), and this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1945391&postcount=650), where he only finally offers some kind of serious reason for all of his previous votes and "FoS'".Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1946021&postcount=683) he offers a further vote for TinCow for the tie.This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1946507&postcount=714) and this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1946788&postcount=718) regarding letters.



Basically, Sasaki's been active enough to avoid major suspicion, but has most often been unhelpful in his votes and commentary. His activity isn't particularly explainable, and his behavior, for someone who is so experienced at mafia, is unacceptable, and has done almost no good for the town thus far; there were still two different killers for the night phase; the drummer and the man with the broken nose. This would rather indicate to me that TinCow was innocent. Sasaki's efforts to help the town have thus far been mostly subpar; I think its attributable to being guilty.

[Privateerkev]

I agree that Sasaki is acting strange, but it just doesn't make sense. He's better than this. I guess lynch him for being strange but I just have a hard time believing that he would act so strange as mafia. When mafia, the guy is as cool as a cucumber.

So, lynch Sasaki if you guys can't think of anyone better but don't take your eyes off of Khaan or FH.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There are far too many links in that post.

Some games I lead the charge some I don't. Think I got lynched as a townie in mafia VI (?) for posting less. It happens.

By the way makaikhaan, you should know that the "different killers" in the writeup doesn't indicate squat. Any one of the lynchees could have been mafia, the writeups wouldn't have been changed.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Let us turn the wrath of the town on Kommodus and FactionHeir.


Any one of the lynchees could have been mafia, the writeups wouldn't have been changed.

I believe you to be wrong. I think it was back in an earlier GH mafia when one mafia killer was pale-skinned, and after one mafia was lynched in the next kills it was written that both victims were killed by a pale skinned man.

I would have thought you'd know this...

Perhaps the town should turn its attention on Sasaki as well. He'd be just the type to try a new strategy when he's mafia.

The mispronounced words may be due to the earlier broken nose.

I should not need to note, of course, that people who bandwagon one candidate instead of spreading votes around evenly on several candidates are very likely to be mafia and should be hung themselves.

CR

[shlin28]

Vote: makaikhaan

I don't really care if makaikhaan or Sasaki gets lynched, either of them are good choices.

[FactionHeir]

One more you missed khaan:

"Suddenly curious and forgeting about all of the windows"
Missing a T

[naut]

So, still two Mafioso, and 17 Townies. Better get your lynches right this time.

[FactionHeir]

Can someone please make a tally of all missing (not added or misplaced) letters we got so far and then another with the other categories included so we can toy with it?

We should have a sentence by now I think.

[TinCow]

I agree with the focus on Sasaki. Early on, the lack of time excuse seemed plausible for his radical change in behavior. That doesn't seem to hold true anymore though. I could very easily see a mafioso Sasaki intentionally going for an overly suspicious posting style in the hopes of deterring votes with a WIFOM. Better the Sasaki you know than the Sasaki you don't. This Sasaki we don't know.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What lack of time excuse?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let us turn the wrath of the town on Kommodus and FactionHeir.



I believe you to be wrong. I think it was back in an earlier GH mafia when one mafia killer was pale-skinned, and after one mafia was lynched in the next kills it was written that both victims were killed by a pale skinned man.

I would have thought you'd know this...



That choice is left up to the mafia. We've never known before if we've lynched a mafioso.

[Quintus.JC]

"I hate insects! Avenge my death!!!!!!" :whip:

[TinCow]

What lack of time excuse?

Good point; reviewing your posts, it was just a single-time excuse for being away for a single weekend. For some reason I erroneously thought it was a generalized thing, which it was not. This makes you even more suspect, as you've simply adopted a radically different style of play without any reason for it whatsoever.

[Privateerkev]

Can someone please make a tally of all missing (not added or misplaced) letters we got so far and then another with the other categories included so we can toy with it?

We should have a sentence by now I think.

I'll be busy today so someone else can do it. My post a few pages back has all the ones we found up to a certain point. I decided to take a break from it since, as you pointed out, I couldn't keep my I's and A's straight. :wall:


Good point; reviewing your posts, it was just a single-time excuse for being away for a single weekend. For some reason I erroneously thought it was a generalized thing, which it was not. This makes you even more suspect, as you've simply adopted a radically different style of play without any reason for it whatsoever.

His excuse was that it is hot in his room.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good point; reviewing your posts, it was just a single-time excuse for being away for a single weekend. For some reason I erroneously thought it was a generalized thing, which it was not. This makes you even more suspect, as you've simply adopted a radically different style of play without any reason for it whatsoever.

That's simply not true, and even if it were true it wouldn't be any evidence of guilt. When people accuse someone of 'acting differently then in past games' the basis of the accusation is the assumption that the person can't play the same way as mafia that they can as town. That's clearly not the case with me. Ergo.

My reason, explained a couple times now, was that after being forced into low posting by high temps and a road trip, I decided to let things develop on their own for a while.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Lots of people left who play well and have a track record of success as mafiosi. Sasaki, Kukri, and Kommo stand out, for me, because we're seeing decidedly different volumes than norm from them. With respect, Sasaki, I think your style is too far off your base as well as your posting frrequency change. Your average is now coming up, of course, but....

If you were "laying back and letting things develop," we sure could use the benefits of your quiet insight now.


Kommodus and Kukri remain persons of concern for me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, not even one page has passed. It's your game, guys.

[Sarathos]

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
I think you mean Vote:Sasaki (not my vote).

But I disagree with you Seamus, just because some people are better at being mafia then afters doesn't necessarily make them mafia all the time. Sure Sasaki And Kommodus are outstanding players when mafia, but I am pretty sure we have all been mafia at least once (even me) so although being a good mafia player helps, you you really need to do is win. Makaikhaan for one I know to be a excellent mafia but very few times has he been caught. But even I have managed to get awat with a mafia victory (shocking I know) which furthers supports the fact that althought going for the veteran mafia players is a rather sound plan, the less noticed ones are equally as likely and shouldn't be disregarded.

While on those lines, Vote:FactionHeir . You are more than active in Andres mafia, where are you in this game?

[Beefy187]

There is couple players that im not really sure about because I don't remember playing with them.

Couple players that I find suspicious.

Kommodus is being very quiet. I suggest lynching him in next few turns as he can work either dead or alive.

Joe Monks did couple of "I am not mafia trick" and I am still deciding whether I should trust him or not.

Assuming that detective is still alive, I don't think either Ichigo or Sasaki is guilty because they seem to be popular investigation choices in the earlier round.

Still alive: (19)
Ichigo
RoadKill
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
CountArach
Kommodus
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Those three player in red seems to be a good choice for me. However this is only from judging the past two rounds so I dont know how other player acted suspiciously.

I will

Vote: Roadkill

He is not acting strange but he is normally a silent killer when he is mafia. As I don't have solid reason I will change the vote if I see a better option

Also I have a plane to catch tomorrow so I don't think I will be active later tonight and tomorrow.

When I get to my country, I will try read through what others said especially makaikhaans post about Sasaki.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I'm going to Vote: Kommodus for now.

A few people have mentioned that he needs to be watched. I for one have no real ideas at the minute, aside from a lingering suspicion of FactionHeir. Also as people have mentioned prior to this, Kommodus' tool can be utilised whether he is alive or not, and if h is truly with the town I'm sure he will.

Will try to keep an eye on the thread and keep up to date, but I've just started my exam week, so my activity might drop off a little bit.

[Crazed Rabbit]

That's simply not true, and even if it were true it wouldn't be any evidence of guilt. When people accuse someone of 'acting differently then in past games' the basis of the accusation is the assumption that the person can't play the same way as mafia that they can as town. That's clearly not the case with me. Ergo.

My reason, explained a couple times now, was that after being forced into low posting by high temps and a road trip, I decided to let things develop on their own for a while.

That's a flimsy excuse, and I expect you know it. In one of the biggest games you suddenly go all quiet on us, and so far have managed to slip under the radar.

I don't buy your 'let things develop' explanation. You gathered less suspicion and as a mafia, that's goal number one, isn't it?

CR

[CountArach]

I think you mean Vote:Sasaki (not my vote).

But I disagree with you Seamus, just because some people are better at being mafia then afters doesn't necessarily make them mafia all the time. Sure Sasaki And Kommodus are outstanding players when mafia, but I am pretty sure we have all been mafia at least once (even me) so although being a good mafia player helps, you you really need to do is win. Makaikhaan for one I know to be a excellent mafia but very few times has he been caught. But even I have managed to get awat with a mafia victory (shocking I know) which furthers supports the fact that althought going for the veteran mafia players is a rather sound plan, the less noticed ones are equally as likely and shouldn't be disregarded.
Kommodus admits to being a poor mafia :laugh4: . I personally do not believe he is mafia because when he is mafia he posts up some results from Holmes and, while he does keep his activity fairly low, he never goes absolutely silent.

Anyway, I've received a PM asking why I am not active, and I will explain it with arguing with Americans in the Backroom (Always a waste of time :laugh4: :wink: ) and being in the middle of University exams.

[Andres]

Why are you guys not lynching Kukrikhan?

[Sigurd]

Kommodus admits to being a poor mafia :laugh4: . I personally do not believe he is mafia because when he is mafia he posts up some results from Holmes and, while he does keep his activity fairly low, he never goes absolutely silent.

That might be true in the past. If Kommodus yet again got the role of Mafioso, I would believe he would try to change his tactic. We all know Kommodus has a busy job and it would not sound strange to us if he told us he had no time playing. Playing the lurker Mafioso is a well proved tactic.
Do we have games where Kommodus is townie and is inactive like this?

Vote: Kommodus
Fos: CountArach

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.