Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 4

Privateerkev

06-16-2008, 19:19

I didn't actually vote today. Just popped in and verified the spelling errors and posed a few questions. GH counted that as an abstain vote.

It still counts for the purposes of TC's exercise. His argument is that the mafia are probably active players. And voting/posting are ways of measuring activity.

I'd go farther and look at who has voted in every round.

For the purposes of this compilation, I have counted posts that don't list a vote as a "vote" because that is how GH counts them. He counts them as "abstain" so I have counted them as "votes".

Ichigo: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
Privateerkev: lynched D1, voted D1
RoadKill: voted D1, D3
TinCow: lynched D4TB, voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB
Elite Ferret: lynched D2, voted D1, D2
woad&fangs: killed N4, voted D1, D2, D3
shlin28: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
makaikhaan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sasaki Kojiro: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
LittleGrizzly: killed N3, voted D1, D2
Sigurd Fafnesbane: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Craterus: killed N2, voted D1,
Caius: voted D1, D3
Gaius Scribonius Curio: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Tratorix: killed N1
peverpink: lynched D3, voted D1, D2, D3
Sarathos: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Andres: killed N2, voted D1,
Mithrandir: WoG'd D4TB
Beefy187: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D5
Tiberius of the Drake: voted D1, D3
KukriKhan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB
TevashSzat: killed N3, voted D1, D2
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88: suicide D4TB, voted D1, D3
Crazed Rabbit: killed N4, voted D1, D2
Fenring: WoG'd D4TB, voted D1,
Lord Winter: WoG'd D4TB
CountArach: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Kommodus: voted D1, D4, D4TB
Rythmic: killed N5, voted D1, D2, D3, D4
Seamus Fermanagh: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Quintus.J.Cicero: killed N5, D4TB
Kagemusha: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
georgeman51: WoG'd D4TB
Omanes Alexandropolites: killed N1
discovery1: voted D1, D3, D4TB
FactionHeir: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Joe Monks: voted D2, D3, D4, D4TB

Here are the people who are still alive that voted/posted in every single day phase and tie-breaker so far:

shlin28
makaikhaan
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
FactionHeir

Oh look, 3 of my suspects turn up. Khaan, FH, and sarathos. It is my belief that the mafia have been active players and have therefore voted in every contest possible. To not vote or post is in itself suspicious so I believe our mafia are being crafty and staying active.

TinCow

06-16-2008, 19:27

PK's analysis is very good. I recommend a heavy focus on that short list in future days; none should be counted out. Now we just need a more up-to-date summary of the 'letters' for some cryptography work.

woad&fangs

06-16-2008, 19:34

I would also add Sasaki and Sigurd to PK's list. Both have only missed 1 day of voting and iirc both had a real life reason for missing the vote that day.

Privateerkev

06-16-2008, 19:45

Can someone else please take over the letter gathering? It's not that I don't think it is important but I fear it may have broken my brain. :clown:

Here are those still alive:

Ichigo: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
RoadKill: voted D1, D3
shlin28: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
makaikhaan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sasaki Kojiro: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sigurd Fafnesbane: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Caius: voted D1, D3
Gaius Scribonius Curio: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sarathos: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Beefy187: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D5
Tiberius of the Drake: voted D1, D3
KukriKhan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB
CountArach: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Kommodus: voted D1, D4, D4TB
Seamus Fermanagh: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Kagemusha: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
discovery1: voted D1, D3, D4TB
FactionHeir: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Joe Monks: voted D2, D3, D4, D4TB

Not counting the current tie-breaker, there have been 6 "voting phases".

1 voting phase: zero

2 voting phases:
RoadKill: voted D1, D3
Caius: voted D1, D3
Tiberius of the Drake: voted D1, D3

3 voting phases:
Kommodus: voted D1, D4, D4TB
discovery1: voted D1, D3, D4TB

4 voting phases:
Ichigo: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
Kagemusha: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
Joe Monks: voted D2, D3, D4, D4TB

5 voting phases:
Sasaki Kojiro: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sigurd Fafnesbane: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Beefy187: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D5
KukriKhan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB
CountArach: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5

6 voting phases:
shlin28: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
makaikhaan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Gaius Scribonius Curio: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sarathos: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Seamus Fermanagh: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
FactionHeir: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5

I believe our mafia is probably in the "6 voting phase" category but possibly in the "5 voting phase" category.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-16-2008, 19:47

From that list, factionheir, khaan, and sarathos are the ones who you wouldn't expect to have voted every time.

Vote:Kommodus

The fact that he didn't show up to save himself means he's probably innocent. I don't think he would lurk quite this much. He's probably wog bait at this point.

Privateerkev

06-16-2008, 19:52

I think more and more that Kommodus is a bad vote. He has hardly voted or posted. For three whole "day phases" he has not posted at all. (GH would have counted such a post as an abstain vote.)

He seems to be enough of a veteran player to know that missing half of the voting phases would make him seem highly suspicious. Therefore, I highly doubt he is mafia.

While I am not yet convinced that Sasaki is mafia, he seems like a far more likely suspect than Kommodus.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-16-2008, 19:58

While I am not yet convinced that Sasaki is mafia, he seems like a far more likely suspect than Kommodus.

I'd be insulted if I wasn't ~D

I feel like khaan should be lynched next round. He dropped a big case with lots of superfluous detail at the beginning of the day. Reasoning was poor. Target was popular. He didn't respond to counterarguments. That's a mafia like pattern. I'm suspicious of Seamus as well for a few things, would need to reread to be able to put it into words.

TinCow

06-16-2008, 20:26

woad&fangs

06-16-2008, 21:06

Wow, I know that Seamus missed some people with his analysis but those are some big names to miss. What do you want to bet that one of those 4 has a significantly different ppp from his last game.:idea2: I think I might check that out.

Privateerkev

06-16-2008, 21:08

I agree with Sasaki that there's something fishy about Seamus. Looking back at his thorough analysis of posting patterns (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1943952&postcount=550), we find that he omitted analysis of himself, Sigurd, Gaius, and khaan. Those are some pretty heavy hitters to ignore in the posting pattern, especially given our recent short list. Could he have drummed that whole list up to deflect attention away from himself and his pal?

That is a good point. Those that post the "analysis" posts get to dictate what gets analyzed and how.

Seamus had Khaan as the cutoff and made him the first live person who was not analyzed. Though he jumped a bunch of people down the list and analyzed Kukri.

So Seamus, do you have an answer as to why you analyzed some people but not others? :brood:

FactionHeir

06-16-2008, 21:31

Kommodus generally lurks, but he does post a bit more when he's town or detective.
In the games I was with him and he was mafia, he'd barely post and only to prevent a WoG. It kind of fits with him having voted D1 and then D4. However, I do not have any further evidence on him except for that...

Sasaki does seem quite suspicious this turn, but I'm still holding off on the tie breaker vote for now until we get more concrete talk from him or kommodus.

Outside of that, I do generally vote every turn in each mafia game I am in (and alive).

Sasaki Kojiro

06-16-2008, 21:43

Seamus Fermanagh

06-16-2008, 21:49

Vote: Sasaki

I didn't do a post count analysis on the ones who then were in the bottom 10 names or so. Time did not allow for it and I lack the coding skills to design a program that automatically keeps these same figures as does Kommo.

I did spot check pretty much all of the regulars, but only went thoroughly through a few of them -- the most glaring ones especially.

Somebody else want to run the analysis, feel free. Be sure to get into my counts: I've done power town (CN, Nether, m5), regular town (m6, m8, mob), mafia (CN2, the mini where Andres ate everybody, g2 with Reenk) and a power "freelancer" (Midgard).

GeneralHankerchief

06-16-2008, 21:55

Just for clarification:

You were mafia with Reenk in M5. If "g2" refers to Godfather 2, as I suspect it does, you were a regular townie that game.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-16-2008, 21:57

Somebody else want to run the analysis, feel free. Be sure to get into my counts: I've done power town (CN, Nether, m5), regular town (m6, m8, mob), mafia (CN2, the mini where Andres ate everybody, g2 with Reenk) and a power "freelancer" (Midgard).

As I recall, you always take particular care as mafia not to get red flagged by your own analysis. What do you think of Kommodus? Why do you think I'm guiltier?

woad&fangs

06-16-2008, 22:01

I did a quick analysis of Gaius, Sigurd, and Makaikhaan and came up with the following ppp counts.

Gaius Scribonius Curio
0.62- this game
1.23- Taormina(townie)
1.38- Preschool mafia(townie)

Sigurd Fafnesbane
0.54- this game
1.03- Taormina(mafia)
1.00- Netherworld(townie)

Makaikhaan
0.88- this game
0.72- Taormina(townie)

Conclusions: Makaikhaan's ppp is similar in both games but because of his skill as a mafioso I still consider him a "person of interest". Sigurd has half as many ppp then in his last 2 large games. However, since he was townie in one and mafia in the other I'm not sure what to think about him. If I had to give an answer I would probably say that he is innocent. Gaius on the other hand, has half as many ppp then his 2 previous games but he was a townie in both those games. That is a major change from his normal self and his posts should be looked at more closely.

Privateerkev

06-16-2008, 22:34

I think Curio has indeed been posting a little different. Just enough to not look suspicious but not being nearly as helpful as he was in Taormina. In the beginning of this game, he approached me right away to talk strategy. But I was lynched right after so we stopped talking about Mafia.

So I think he is acting differently but Khaan still seems like a better vote for the next day phase.

TinCow

06-16-2008, 23:28

I think Curio has indeed been posting a little different. Just enough to not look suspicious but not being nearly as helpful as he was in Taormina. In the beginning of this game, he approached me right away to talk strategy.

Can you post those PMs? In a game with this few roles, there is very, very little useful information that can come from private conversations. Unprompted PM contact from a player makes me suspicious. It seems like someone trying to establish a trust relationship for future 'vouching' purposes.

[edit]Er, nm... I think you might be barred from doing that by the rules since you're dead. Curio, I recommend that you post these PMs. PK can verify whether they're complete or not.

Privateerkev

06-16-2008, 23:42

Even if the rules allowed, I don't have them anymore. I deleted them once I was lynched because I knew I couldn't post them. They were very basic. In the beginning of this game he contacted me and said he felt I was innocent because I was trying to get myself lynched. We chatted a little but very little had happened in the game by that point so not much was discussed. I was then lynched and quit talking about this Mafia game in PM's.

In Taormina, he was more analytical and held deeper opinions. In this game, he is talking... but that is about it. While hardly the most suspicious character right now, it does raise my eyebrows a little.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-16-2008, 23:52

I agree about curio.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-17-2008, 00:10

As with Count Arach I'm right in the middle of my Uni exams atm. I'm trying to be as active as possible to help the town, but I can't go into as much detail as I'd like.

If you'll compare to earlier games I always post at least once every day. It seems anal but I like to keep on top of things.

If you don't believe me thats fine, lynch me, but you're wasting your time, if you think my 'changed posting style' is down to anything other than RL.

Will try to be more helpful from now on, but last exam is not until monday.

woad&fangs

06-17-2008, 00:12

dang, I guess this wasn't the smoking gun I was hoping for:shame:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-17-2008, 01:26

Not a smoking gun, but thats exactly the sort of analysis we need right now.

@ Tincow: will look up and post said PMs. (There were quite a few).

Edit: Rather than double post here are the PMs, that Kev was referring to.

Original: I contacted Kev, as we had a fair amount of contact in Taormina, and I was really curious about his WIFOM,

Hey Kev,

And too think that I was going to vote for you in vengeance for stringing me along.

What's your reasoning behind your massive WIFOM? I'm just curious, because the way you stated it was so blatantly OTT, that it seems unlikely that you are mafia. Unless its a massive double bluff... (shock horror).

Consider this an olive branch (although really I have no hard feelings about Taormina... it just proves I really am that naive). If you want to share any thoughts, and if you survive, I'm ready to share (although of course you won't be so blindly trusting as me).

Curio

To which he replied,

Hi Curio!

I'm very much just a simple townie this game. I don't expect you to believe that but that is ok. Since I win if the town wins, I don't care if I die. There are no good lynch choices on the first day so someone needs to be the first. I don't mind if that is me. While dead, I will still talk in the thread and try to help out.

I look forward to playing with you again!

Townies unite!

Kev

Then:

Excellent, thats one townie so far... :laugh4:

On the other hand you can't PM after death can you, ah well. Contribution=conversation=bad for mafia, and that you can provide.

That said I'm going to random.org for my vote. :laugh4:

Hope you survive,

Curio

And Kev replied:

Ironically, it might be you that is fooling me this time. That would be poetic...

Either way, It is good to talk to you again. I felt bad lying in Taormina even though it was just a game.

Kevin

Feeling in a magnamonius mood, I replied with;

Ironically I've just been replying to a thread regarding forgiveness.

Your sins are forgiven, my son, go forth into the world and sin again, I shall be waiting. :laugh4: (my sincere apologies if you are devout).

Its a game where the aim is to lie, cheat and decieve.
That you completely fooled me was down to your skill as a player and my innate weakness, which is to be way too trusting of other peoples motives. I'd be a terrible mafioso.

In other news its not looking good for you...

Curio

In reply (and apologies if you don't want this here Kev, just let me know)

Actually I'm an atheist so it is even more amusing.

:D

When Kev was granted a reprieve, for 24 hours I Pm'd him again with this (trying to get him to vote for Sasaki and thus survive, you gather that his WIFOM intrigued me, and genuinely wn my trust):

A reprieve, however short.

I'm a little confused as to why Sasaki is making no effort to defend himself. Possibly he's trying to make himself as inconspicuous as possible and let you talk yourself into a lynch, and him out of one.

While I can see exactly what you are saying with regards to your reasons to be lynched, (someone has too, you'll still contribute, its better this way, etc.), the fact remains that if what your saying is true, and that seems to be the case, we are losing a townie and the chance to lynch a mafioso.

While martyrdom is all very noble, looking at it from a footballing point of view its like losing a 'six-pointer'. No chance of a dead mafioso, and losing a townie.

Which leads me to your main rival for the noose, Sasaki. While it is admittedly unlikely that he is mafia (I mean there is no evidence for or against anybody really), he is acting normally (for him), and he shouldn't have to defend himself, the fact remains that he is doing exactly what he did in Taormina, trying to fade into the background and avoid notice, and avoid a lynching due to other supposedly better candidates being put up. He has more guile in his little finger than I do in my whole body. If he is mafia, he now has the chance to fool us once again.

Now this may sound like paranoia, but it is true that he, from his actions thus far, is much more likely to be a mafioso. Your WIFOM, in fact makes it very likely that you are innocent.

I highly recommend that you at least try to avoid a lynching.

If not,

Ave atque Vale

To which Kev answered:

Hi Curio,

Yeah, it is a short break.

As to my strategy, there seems to be zero chance at finding mafia in the first day turn. So one of us has to go. It might as well be someone who we know will be active.

I doubt Sasaki is mafia. He is way too obvious right now. Everyone suspects him because he is Sasaki. I don't think GH would give him the role because he knows Sasaki will be bandwagoned on turn 1.

I'll stick with what I'm doing and see where it takes me.

Kevin

Almost there:

Almost zero chance of finding Mafia on turn 1, not zero.

I'm guessing GH distributed the roles via random.org or something, hence Sasaki, is just as likely as anyone else right now. It might be bad luck on Sasaki's part, and he may have an increased chance of getting lynched early. But as we have seen, if he successfully negotiates the first few rounds he can give off the impression of innocence extremely well.

He plants an element of doubt in people's minds, and then they don't tend to lynch him, due to his 'usefulness' to the town. This is bearing in mind of course that I've only seen him as mafia once.

Kudos for sticking with it, but I predict that if you do survive, you're likely to have impressed enough people that you won't be bandwagonned again for a while (I'm guessing).

And btw the reason I spent that whole post attacking Sasaki wasn't because I necessarily think him any more likely than anybody else, just its more likely than you (although you probably already worked that out)

Curio

And Kev's final words...

your right, it is almost zero.

Anyways, we'll see how this goes. If I get lynched, feel free to continue PM'ing me. As long as we don't talk about the game while I'm dead, I see nothing wrong with it. I enjoy our conversations. It seems people got tired of arguing on the Socialism thread.

Kevin

Thats all the PMs that have been exchanged between me and PrivateerKev that have a bearing on the game. Kev can (and I'm assuming will) confirm that these are genuine and unaltered.

I don't blame anyone for being suspicious of me, but as I've said RL issues have forced me to post differently to usual.

There is also the fact that in Taormina, my jumping up and down like a lunatic on some people ended up in townies getting lynched, so I decided to be a touch more cautious. And finally, much of my 'analysis' in Taormina was based on Andres' write-ups. While I'm fairly good at textual analysis, I'm absolutely hopeless at reading people (Remember Kev fooling me completely in Taormina anyone?). Thats all I have to say in my defence, and seen as I have to vote...

I'm going to Vote: Sasaki.

Other people who know Kommodus have said that his style is to lurk and not say much even when town. Also I didn't expect so few votes to be cast. While Sasaki is much more skilled at avoiding suspicion than this usually I'm taking a punt and saying that he'd be much more dangerous than Kommodus If he was mafia and we let him live.

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 02:33

I confirm that those are all of the PM's we exchanged until I was lynched and the PM's have not been altered. They really were that boring in terms of talking about the game. Not much happened N1 or D1 to speak of.

BTW, I don't care if the "atheism" PM is in there. I have made no attempt to keep my views secret. I just ask that any discussion of it be confined to PM's or the Backroom. I don't think GH would appreciate a religious conversation developing in his game thread.

I'd like to believe Curio's reason for being busy. My guess is that he is telling the truth. Others seem like much better lynch choices.

KukriKhan

06-17-2008, 03:44

Aye-yi-yi. A tie-breaker on a 2x2 vote. Not exactly a mandate, or clear suspicion track.

vote: Sasaki,

not because I'm convinced absolutely of his guilt, but because IF he is mafia, he is the bigger threat to the town, IMO. That's a compliment to him. :bow: If he's town, he's not helping us at the level he often/usually plays at.

I dunno about Seamus. He sent me a mixed PM early in the game, mostly about some org backroom business, with a gentle remark at the end that suggested I should maybe, kinda, sorta, like look to defending myself in this game thread, and that he thought I had a role. Unsure what he meant exactly, I assured him I was a townie, and forgot about it. Later, I saw his analysis of posting patterns. Now I wonder if that PM was actually a probe from a mafiosa, looking for a potential partner, or adversary.

FoS: Seamus.

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 03:50

I dunno about Seamus. He sent me a mixed PM early in the game, mostly about some org backroom business, with a gentle remark at the end that suggested I should maybe, kinda, sorta, like look to defending myself in this game thread, and that he thought I had a role. Unsure what he meant exactly, I assured him I was a townie, and forgot about it. Later, I saw his analysis of posting patterns. Now I wonder if that PM was actually a probe from a mafiosa, looking for a potential partner, or adversary.

That is interesting. He contacts you early in the game and then later does an analysis of post counts and puts you in there when he clearly left others out. He must have given up on you at some point.

discovery1

06-17-2008, 04:16

Sasaki being a goof, nothing unusual about that.

Kommodus sucks as mafia, so while he might be if he is soon he will tip his hand I think.

That aside I find Sasaki's actions less 'suspicious' then K's if only because from what I know Sasaki's bevahior is less out of line then K\s

Vote:Kommodus

Sorry old partner in crime.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-17-2008, 04:49

As I recall, you always take particular care as mafia not to get red flagged by your own analysis. What do you think of Kommodus? Why do you think I'm guiltier?

Guiltier than Kommo: I don't know that I do. I developed an impression based on your series of posts over the first few day/night phases. Your last posts sound/read very much like the "normal" Sasaki. I guess, in part, it was your Backroom activity level that -- to me -- suggested your "limited" posting here wsn't ringing true.

Kommo: Kommo is also way off norm and not contributing. If the vote slides his direction, I will not feel it wasted effort by the town. For me it is Kommo (Negative suspicions) then Kukri (sniff of role...but which?) next unless better evidence surfaces.

Particular Care: Yep, I have and will continue to do so. As you noted some posts ago, I try to play so that I may play again without all my subsequent efforts being pointless. Nevertheless, anyone running the numbers on me or analyzing the tone of my posts since the analysis came out should get a good sense of how I'm running in this game.

NOTE: I PM'd Kukri after my analysis post was put up, but prior to his seeing it in the thread. I still think he's got a role...just not sure what.

GH:

Sorry for the confusion, I was flipping through my excel records on those games too quickly. I was mafia with Reenk and townie in the other and in M6 as you noted. Reenk was a wonderful mafioso -- he really could drive folks bats. Also, I haven't entirely forgiven you for getting me lynched when I revealed you as mafioso. I am still in awe of how you (and the eyeless one) pulled that off!

Sigurd

06-17-2008, 10:11

I'll stick with my initial vote: Kommodus

Tally:

Sasaki: 4 (Gaius, Ichigo, Kukri, Seamus)
Kommodus: 3 (Disco, Sasaki, Sigurd)

not voting: 12 (Beefy, Caius, CountA, FH, Joe M, Kage, Kommodus, Khann, RK, Sara, Shlin, Tib)

FactionHeir

06-17-2008, 10:44

vote: Abstain
Sasaki seems to have turned more "normal" now, and Kommodus still hasn't talked. I'm thinking of letting him live in the hopes of him posting some analysis later in the game as he so often does.

CountArach

06-17-2008, 11:10

As I said earlier I don't think that Kommodus is playing as he would if he were mafia. Vote: Sasaki for that reason.

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 14:38

N2:

The birds had returned since the unexpected disturbance of their morning routine yesterday, although they were not singing, as if wary that there would be a similiar breaking of the silence today.

I added

Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.

S missing, I added

Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.

A missing

D2:

Apparently not having got the message, this obviously coldhearted, callous, unfeeling individual quickly earned the ire of everyone around him by cracking (bad) jokes, voting for weird reasons, and generally ot taking the process seriously.

N missing

You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned. Anyway, go back to your homes and hope we made the right decision.

S missing

N3:

"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car. From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.

N missing, I missing

D3:

An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance.

V missing

Pressing a button, a propellor popped out of the top of Beirut's police hat

should be E instead of O

N4:

Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

E added

Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

C missing, I missing

D4:

But of course, he didn't shoot, as if restrained by some unspoken force, some overser of the town.

E missing

Eventually, things finally sorted themselves out (after Parking Wars had finished, of course), and TinCow, lawyer extraordinare, was determined guilty of killing several citizens of the Kingdom of Peace and Love.

I missing

It is committed when the actor, still you, acting either alone or with one or more other persons, is engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit robbery, sexual assault (doesn't really apply to you, or at least I hope it doesn't), arson, burglary, kidnapping, carjacking, criminal escape or terrorism perusant to section 2 of P.L.2002, clause 26 (C.2C:38-2), and in the course of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, any person causes the death of a person other than one of the participants; except that in any prosecution of this subsection, in which the defendant was not the only participant in the underlying crime, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant

perusant should be pursuant

should be U instead of E. Don't know how to handle letters that are there but out of place.

therefrom has a "space" missing

any person convicted under subsection a.(1) or (2) who committed the homicidal act by his own conduct; or who as an accomplice procured the commission of the offense by payment or promise of paymentof anything of pecuniary value, pecuniary defined by dictionary.com as an adjective; 'of or pertaining to money'; or who, as a leader of a narcotics trafficking network as defined in N.J. Section 2, Clause 35-3, and in furtherance of a conspiracy enumarated in N.J. Section 2, Clause 35-3, commanded or by threat or promise solicited the commission of the offense, or, if the murder occured during the comission of the crime of terrorism, any person who committed the crime of terrorism, shall be sentenced by the court to life imprionment without eligibility for parole (for our purpose, we'll change this section to read 'immediate execution'), which sentence shall be served in a maximum security prison (again, this will be changed), if a jury finds beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the following aggravating factors exist:

"space" missing, should be U instead of A, R missing, M missing, S missing

N5:

Suddenly curious and forgeting about all of the windows, Rythmic picked up right where he left off, closely listening for the sound of drums.

T missing

For whatever reason, he was envisioning terrble things.

I missing

Here is all of the letters in order they were found:

I S I A N S N I V E/O E C I E I U/E "space" "space" U/A R M S T I

Added letters only: I I E

Missing letters only: S A N S N I V C I E I R M S T I

Switched letters only: E/O, U/E, U/A

TinCow

06-17-2008, 15:24

I'm inclined to go with only the missing letters and disregard the others. Some spelling errors are bound to occur, and the very uneven distribution in favor of the missing letters indicates that those are intentional. The added and switched might be intentional, but they might just be innocent mistakes. The missing letters are clearly intentional. Regardless, neither the complete sequence nor the missing letters only sequence say anything in English. They also do not appear to be in any foreign language. It is therefore my opinion that the sequence is either an anagram or a code. As with before, I think an anagram is almost impossible to solve before it is completed, so I think the best time investment on our part right now is to look for a code in the letters. I would suggest crunching through it with simple substitution cyphers to see what we can come up with.

[edit]It just occurred to me that if it's a code, the added and switched letters could also indicate breaks between words or some other kind of formatting.

[edit2]I've changed my mind on the added and swapped letters. If they were simple spelling errors, GH probably would have corrected them. The fact that they continue to occur after so many write-ups indicates that he is intentionally leaving them in there. They probably have some part to play in this.

One option is that the swapped letters could be a clue about how to solve this. If this is a substitution cypher, the swapped letters themselves could be direct clues as to which letters to swap.

GeneralHankerchief

06-17-2008, 17:54

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

GeneralHankerchief

06-17-2008, 18:50

For the second straight day, Chief of Police Beirut was presiding over the town's voting ritual longer than he wished. Of course, he didn't want to do this at all, for that would mean there were no mafiosi, but still... that wasn't the point. The television beckoned.

After completing his tally of the run-off between Sasaki Kojiro and Kommodus, Beirut breathed an audible sigh of relief. There would be an execution. "Sasaki Kojiro," he boomed, "You are hereby found guilty of murder. Please make your way up to the execution platform."

As always, the crowd was all too happy to assist in this matter. Sasaki, still looking for a way that he could get out of this, was dragged up to the platform and thrown at Beirut's feet. He looked up at the Chief of Police.

"You're not going to read the definition of what I didn't do to me, are you?"

"No," said Beirut. "I learned my lesson the last time."

"You're not going to cut my tongue out and bury me alive with tarantulas, are you?"

"No."

"You're not going to kick me 300-style into the angry mob, are you?"

"Uh... no," said Beirut, silently cursing. This was taking too long.

"You're not going to immolate me while you fly away on your little helicopter-hat, are you?"

"No, I'm not!" said Beirut, his anger gettin the better of him. "I'm going to kill you in my own special way! No more questions!"

"What do you mean, 'no more questions?' Sasaki asked. I think I deserve knowing the way I'm going to die."

Off to the side, audible grunts could be heard from a group of short, stupid-looking people wearing black. They were all holding onto a rope which extended somewhere far off. The grunts slowly turned to groans. "Shut up, Epsilons," Beirut said. A couple more groans, and then there was silence. Turning back to Sasaki, he looked like he was going to say something but decided against it.

Sasaki continued, hoping he had found an opening. "I mean, it's my last day alive. Sure, you think I'm a mass murderer, but there's no way of PROVING it. And in other prisons, even the mass murderers that have been convicted by DNA testing, who have confessed to the crimes, and who have probably killed a couple of prison guards in failed escape attempts, get a nice last meal and some final comfort. And here I am, standing up here on an execution platform in cold weather, having cooperated. I think that maybe I deserve some final hours of comfort before my own impending death, especially considering there's no appeals process here, which usually take months and years."

This time, everybody groaned. The master manipulator was at it again; why couldn't Beirut see this?

"Well... uh..." The Chief of Police was stumbling over his words. "Okay, I suppose. Do you know how to cook?"

"Yes," Sasaki said.

"Go home and make yourself a last meal. I expect you back here within two hours."

"Two hours?" Sasaki said. "Two hours is not a proper time to prepare a proper seven-course meal!"

"Fine," snapped Beirut. "Five hours. And no more." And thus, with everyone in town staring in open-mouthed shock, as well as hatred, Sasaki calmly strolled to his house with an evil smirk on his face."

"Suckers," he muttered. "Five hours is plenty of time for me to pack up and get out of this plce."

Back at the execution platform, Beirut ordered everyone to stay, having to repeat it several times due to general complaining. He ignored it all, constantly checking his watch, waiting for something to happen. Finally, when about twenty minutes (the estimated amount of time it would take for Sasaki to walk back to his house) elapsed, Beirut spoke to the people holding the rope.

"All right, Eplisons," he said, "Let 'er go!"

Twenty minutes (walking distance) away, Sasaki Kojiro, and his entire house, was crushed by a massive, multi-ton weight dropping directly down. He had no idea it was coming or that he had been tricked.

Day 5a tally:

Sasaki Kojiro: 5 (Ichigo, Seamus Fermanagh, Gaius Scribonius Curio, KukriKhan, CountArach) :skull:
Kommodus: 3 (Sasaki Kojiro, discovery1, Sigurd Fafnesbane)

Abstained: 1 (FactionHeir)
Didn't vote: Everybody else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (18)
Ichigo
RoadKill
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
CountArach
Kommodus
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro

PMs please.

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 18:57

N2:

The birds had returned since the unexpected disturbance of their morning routine yesterday, although they were not singing, as if wary that there would be a similiar breaking of the silence today.

I added

Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.

S missing, I added

Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.

A missing

D2:

Apparently not having got the message, this obviously coldhearted, callous, unfeeling individual quickly earned the ire of everyone around him by cracking (bad) jokes, voting for weird reasons, and generally ot taking the process seriously.

N missing

You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned. Anyway, go back to your homes and hope we made the right decision.

S missing

N3:

"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car. From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.

N missing, I missing

D3:

An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance.

V missing

Pressing a button, a propellor popped out of the top of Beirut's police hat

O should be E

N4:

Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

E added

Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

C missing, I missing

D4:

But of course, he didn't shoot, as if restrained by some unspoken force, some overser of the town.

E missing

Eventually, things finally sorted themselves out (after Parking Wars had finished, of course), and TinCow, lawyer extraordinare, was determined guilty of killing several citizens of the Kingdom of Peace and Love.

I missing

It is committed when the actor, still you, acting either alone or with one or more other persons, is engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit robbery, sexual assault (doesn't really apply to you, or at least I hope it doesn't), arson, burglary, kidnapping, carjacking, criminal escape or terrorism perusant to section 2 of P.L.2002, clause 26 (C.2C:38-2), and in the course of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, any person causes the death of a person other than one of the participants; except that in any prosecution of this subsection, in which the defendant was not the only participant in the underlying crime, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant

perusant should be pursuant

E should be U. U should switch with S

therefrom has a "space" missing

any person convicted under subsection a.(1) or (2) who committed the homicidal act by his own conduct; or who as an accomplice procured the commission of the offense by payment or promise of paymentof anything of pecuniary value, pecuniary defined by dictionary.com as an adjective; 'of or pertaining to money'; or who, as a leader of a narcotics trafficking network as defined in N.J. Section 2, Clause 35-3, and in furtherance of a conspiracy enumarated in N.J. Section 2, Clause 35-3, commanded or by threat or promise solicited the commission of the offense, or, if the murder occured during the comission of the crime of terrorism, any person who committed the crime of terrorism, shall be sentenced by the court to life imprionment without eligibility for parole (for our purpose, we'll change this section to read 'immediate execution'), which sentence shall be served in a maximum security prison (again, this will be changed), if a jury finds beyond a reasonable doubt that any of the following aggravating factors exist:

"space" missing, A should be U, R missing, M missing, S missing

N5:

Suddenly curious and forgeting about all of the windows, Rythmic picked up right where he left off, closely listening for the sound of drums.

T missing

For whatever reason, he was envisioning terrble things.

I missing

D5:

"No, I'm not!" said Beirut, his anger gettin the better of him. "I'm going to kill you in my own special way! No more questions!"

G is missing

"Suckers," he muttered. "Five hours is plenty of time for me to pack up and get out of this plce."

A is missing

"All right, Eplisons," he said, "Let 'er go!"

L should switch with S

All letters in order:

+I -S +I -A -N -S -N -I -V O=E +E -C -I -E -I E=U U/S +"space" +"space" A=U -R -M -S -T -I -G -A L/S

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 19:10

There has now been 7 "voting phases".

1 voting phase: zero

2 voting phases:
RoadKill: voted D1, D3
Caius: voted D1, D3
Tiberius of the Drake: voted D1, D3

3 voting phases:
Kommodus: voted D1, D4, D4TB

4 voting phases:
discovery1: voted D1, D3, D4TB, D5TB
Kagemusha: voted D1, D2, D3, D4
Joe Monks: voted D2, D3, D4, D4TB

5 voting phases:
Ichigo: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D5TB
Beefy187: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D5

6 voting phases:
CountArach: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5, D5TB
KukriKhan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5TB
Sigurd Fafnesbane: voted D1, D3, D4, D4TB, D5, D5TB
shlin28: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
makaikhaan: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5
Sarathos: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5

7 voting phases:
Gaius Scribonius Curio: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5, D5TB
Seamus Fermanagh: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5, D5TB
FactionHeir: voted D1, D2, D3, D4, D4TB, D5, D5TB

TinCow

06-17-2008, 19:11

Sasaki Kojiro

06-17-2008, 19:17

I S I A N S N I V E/O E C I E I U/E "space" "space" U/A R M S T I G A S/L

missing letters only: S A N S N I V C I E I R M S T I G A

This part: I S I A N S N I V

Is an anagram of "sin is vain". However I can't find any likely sounding anagrams for the "whole word" before the spaces. The switched letters don't appear to be word markers either, at least not if anagrams are the way to go. I considered that E/O means the letter between E and O which would be J (M for U/E). But that doesn't make an anagram either.

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 19:19

The swapped letters are looking increasingly intentionally placed. Perhaps they indicate breaks between words, with the double space being a break between two names? The question is whether the swapped letters are just a marker (like a break) or whethe they are themseles part of the code. I've tried running these things through some basic substitution cyphers, but nothing has jumped out at me yet. We've got enough letters now that it should be possible to start finding something, though. I urge a general public code-breaking movement on everyone's part during this night phase.

There are 4 basic types of "lost" letters going on.

missing letters: I will put a - in front of these

added letters: I will put a + in front of these

wrong letters: I will put an = in between the wrong letter and right letter

out of place letters: I will put an / in between the first out of place letter with the second out of place letter.

Eplisons is the second example of out of place letters. I neglected to mention perusant's out of place letters. perusant should be pursuant so the U should swap with the S in addition to the E being replaced by a U

I will change the main anaylsis post to reflect this.

GeneralHankerchief

06-17-2008, 19:22

I just want to interrupt for a moment to say how fun it's been writing these executions. Three former KotR players plus Sasaki - you couldn't ask for a sweeter scenario. :laugh4:

TinCow

06-17-2008, 19:31

If they're anagrams, I think it's highly unlikely that they're simply the names of the mafioso. The letters include a V, and the only person with a V in their name that is left alive is discovery1. However, there's no D, Y, or 1 listed so far, and with the number of letters already posted, the odds of missing that many from a name seem pretty low. While the executed Privateerkev and peverpink also have Vs in their names, they are equally improbable due to a missing P and a second missing V for PK and two missing Ps and a missing K for pever. So, if anyone is going to try cracking these as anagrams, I wouldn't bother trying to get actual names out of them. Instead look for phrases that would be hints as to the names. However, I still think a cypher of some kind is more likely.

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 19:32

Something told me you were working out some past anger with our executions GH. :clown:

Back on topic:

I wondered if the string I worked out was directions.

+I -S +I -A -N -S -N -I -V O=E +E -C -I -E -I E=U U/S -"space" -"space" A=U -R -M -S -T -I -G -A L/S

It might be telling us to do something with each letter. So I followed the directions and got this:

J R J Z M R M H U E F B H D H U S _ _ U Q L R S H F Z S

FactionHeir

06-17-2008, 19:35

PK posted
All letters in order:

+I -S +I -A -N -S -N -I -V O=E +E -C -I -E -I E=U U=S -"space" -"space" A=U -R -M -S -T -I -G -A L/S
Corrections in red

Missing: S A N S N I V C I E I (space) (space) R M S T I G A
Added: I I E
Changed: E->U, L->S
Wrong: E->O, U->E, S->U, U->A

So if we say that added letters are no longer "lost", then we got:
S A N S N V C I R M S T I G A

Note that note of the wrong or changed letters actually appear except for S, so they might not actually mean anything....unless those are letters we need to add manually later?

Privateerkev

06-17-2008, 19:43

Good point about sayin how a space is missing and not extra.

But I still maintain that the S and U in perusant need to be swapped, not changed. The letters are present in the "wrong" word. They just need to be moved.

TinCow

06-17-2008, 22:29

I've been doing various substitution cypher permutations for a while now and there's a basic problem with them. Regardless of which letter sequence we use, there are a large number of letter repetitions, such as S A N S N or I S I A N S N I. These multiple repetitions simply do not correspond to the pattern of letter occurances in any player's name. I thus don't think it's a direct substitution cypher of names. It's possible that it's both an anagram and a substitution cypher, but that seems way, way too difficult for us to be able to solve. So, I'm starting to think that if it is an anagram or a cypher, it is some kind of clue phrase, not a simple transcription of a name. There may be other coding systems that we're missing as well.

KukriKhan

06-18-2008, 04:18

... Regardless of which letter sequence we use, there are a large number of letter repetitions, such as S A N S N or I S I A N S N I. These multiple repetitions simply do not correspond to the pattern of letter occurances in any player's name. I thus don't think it's a direct substitution cypher of names. It's possible that it's both an anagram and a substitution cypher, but that seems way, way too difficult for us to be able to solve. So, I'm starting to think that if it is an anagram or a cypher, it is some kind of clue phrase, not a simple transcription of a name. There may be other coding systems that we're missing as well.

I agree. I don't think it (the clue(s)) point to a username verbatim, but rather some other indicator. A hobby, or interest, or style, or other personal referent of the person, known to some or all of the players. Or a more general cautionary note. Or something...

I have tomorrow (wed, 18 Jun in california) off work, so will try to assist again. Seamus' post-count analysis will likely go wacky again, as a result.

Intuition is a funny thing. I never trust it alone. That said, I 'intuit' that we lynched a bad guy this day. Of course, the night writeup should tell the tale.

GeneralHankerchief

06-18-2008, 18:51

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. The chill present since yesterday had not gone away; as a matter of fact, it seemed to have intensified overnight, providing for the faithful to believe that this was all an omen of terrible things to come.

shlin28 was passing his time by reading his favorite book, a certain novel penned by Koushun Takami. As opposed to more traditional tomes such as, say, the Bible, or something from the "Chicken Soup for the Soul" series, shlin gained comfort and drew strength from a 600-odd page description of Japanese high school students brutally murdering each other.

While shlin could only aspire to be one of those fictional students; out on an island with a small chance of survival, he nevertheless saw some similarities between what he was reading and his current situation. For example: In both circumstances, people were out to kill him. After that little detail, nothing else really mattered too much. And, as a result, precautions needed to be taken. shlin was therefore reading in his attic, with a winter coat on, and using a tiny flashlight as his only source of illumination.

In his book, a lot of the people that hid did pretty well. It was only when they made noise that they were discovered and thus disposed of. Nobody really happened upon a hiding place by chance. Heck, the same thing had happened in the Frontroom! Most notably, two days ago when both Crazed Rabbit and woad&fangs had bought it by leaving their hiding places. Thus, shlin was trying the same strategy. So, he was content to just sit and read.

Time passed by.

In the distance, shlin heard the sound of a car coming up his street, and then stopping, by the sound of it pretty closely. The engine, he could even tell from the attic, was of good quality. It wouldn't be surprising if the car in question was a Mercedes.

shlin froze. They were coming for him. If he just stayed where he was... he'd be fine... maybe...

He heard the sound of his door being broken open and the footsteps of a man running into the foyer. "Great," shlin thought, he was in. He strained to hear further, but... nothing. Perhaps the mafioso, not identifying an alarm system (for there was none) had gotten confused and left. Or maybe he was only there for supplies. Or maybe... he was just sneaking around and meticulously checking every room for his prey.

He checked his watch and noted the second hand was on the twelve. He continued to strain to hear any sign of mafioso activity downstairs. After hearing nothing, he fiddled with his coat for a while, zipping and unzipping it repeatedly. After that had been done to satisfaction, he picked up the book and kept reading it, but only got through a sentence before he put it down in fright. He strained to hear again, heard nothing, and picked up the book again before putting it down again. He checked his watch.

The second hand was on the one.

This was taking too long. It would be better, a lot better, if he could just hear some sign of something, anything, that the mafioso had left or not; the sound of an engine, the sound of something breaking, just anything to break the monotony and the terrible fear that is known as silence!

Finally, some relief. He heard the sound of another door being thrown open, this time a lot louder and closer.

He panicked. The mafioso was on the second floor! He was closer, he knew where shlin was, he had to get a weapon-! Abandoning his position, he scrambled around the attic, hoping against hope that there was a gun, or a bat, or something he could use to defend himself - come on, it had to be there-

One floor below, the mafioso heard the racket being made and smiled. Finally, shlin had revealed himself. Calmly pumping his shotgun, he aimed and blasted at the section of the ceiling where shlin was tromping around in the attic directly above him.

Success! The entire section of the ceiling that wasn't hit by the fire fell away, as did everything above it, including shlin. Bleeding from one of his feet, shlin fell hard and couldn't move. Immobilized, he could really do nothing except listen to his pursuer.

"Dod't abaddod your plads just begause you're a bit sgared," the mafioso said, and fired again. That was the end of shlin28, who was not given an opportunity to take his killer's advice.

Coincidentally, RoadKill was reading the exact same book that shlin was (well, not the EXACT same book, but he was reading an identical copy, if one wanted to be picky) and also strategizing based on what he had read in there. While shlin was focused on the hiders, RK was instead interested in the hunters.

The most lethal characters in the book were those who had actively sought out their prey and prepared to fight. Yes, their survival rate wasn't that good, but they always took out one victim before finally succumbing. Considering this as well as the fact that the mafiosi probably weren't expecting a counter-attack aside from Beirut's woefully ineffective lynching system, RoadKill liked his odds of taking somebody out.

It was decided, then. RoadKill would take justice into his own hands. He was sick and tired of the lack of results and reasoned that soon there would be an attempt on his own life. If pre-emptive strikes worked for world leaders, it would work for him, too!

Packing two SMGs he had constructed from spare parts as well as a sniper rifle for long-distance work, RK set off from his house, dreaming dreams of glory and victory.

...He would catch a mafioso in the act, and challenge him to a duel, which of course the mafioso, caught in the act, could not resist, and even if he did, RoadKill would simply mow him down as he retreated. Then, the two of them would fight, preferably in an arena with the crowd cheering him on, and he would be their champion, saving them from the forces of darkness. And the two of them would go at it, shooting and ducking, running out of ammo until there wasn't much left, and then finally, RK would deliver the blow, wounding his opponent, and then he would come out of hiding to finish the job, and the mafioso would be plading for mercy, but RK would give him none, just as the mafioso would have given no mercy to the town, and then it would be over with RoadKill as the victorious savior, and he would get a medal, maybe even Beirut's job, and receive much adulation and love from the townspeople, and the women, oh yes, the women would be all over him, he would forever look more desirable to them, and they would-

SCREECH! A black car roared around a turn, now zooming along the street. Its driver leaned out the window and blasted a shotgun directly into RK's chest. With the black car now gone just as fast as it came, RoadKill fell, weapons still in hand. He died within eyesight of his house. The adventure would never be completed.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining citizens of the Frontroom into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, it has come to my attention that the mafia are still doing their job of reducing this town's population. If you wish for this trend to cease, then I suggest you had start lynching the right people.

"Reducing population?" someone said. "Could you be any more insensitive? These are people's lives we're talking about here!"

"Indeed we are," said Beirut. "Thus, once again, I suggest that you start getting these right. Get voting!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (16)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
CountArach
Kommodus
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro

NOTE: I'm graduating tomorrow. I have one small window to do the execution in, and I'm not confident that I'll be able to get it done in time. So there's a chance that voting may be extra-long this round.

woad&fangs

06-18-2008, 19:01

Focus on these players today(no particular order)

Shlin28
FactionHeir
Makaikhaan
Beefy187

Privateerkev

06-18-2008, 19:04

And the two of them would go at it, shooting and ducking, running out of ammo until there wasn't much left, and then finally, RK would deliver the blow, wounding his opponent, and then he would come out of hiding to finish the job, and the mafioso would be plading for mercy, but RK would give him none, just as the mafioso would have given no mercy to the town, and then it would be over with RoadKill as the victorious savior, and he would get a medal, maybe even Beirut's job, and receive much adulation and love from the townspeople, and the women, oh yes, the women would be all over him, he would forever look more desirable to them, and they would-

E is missing

You guys find any others?

GeneralHankerchief

06-18-2008, 19:05

Focus on these players today(no particular order)

Shlin28
FactionHeir
Makaikhaan
Beefy187

:laugh4:

woad&fangs

06-18-2008, 19:08

:laugh4:

supposed to be Sarathos, beefy187, FactionHeir, and Makaikhaan.

FactionHeir

06-18-2008, 19:27

Nope, only that one today.

Something peculiar about the writeup though:
The first kill had the broken-nose voice and the second had a black mercedes.

In previous write ups, the broken-nose and the black mercedes were the same person, so did we manage to lynch a mafioso?
It is of course entirely possible that they are playing a trick on us whereby the first one (fedora) imitates the broken nose voice, as there was no description of the killer of kill 1 otherwise.

In either case, we should investigate Sasaki's contacts.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-18-2008, 19:48

Vote: Kommodus

Do you have anything you wish to say/add?

TinCow

06-18-2008, 20:21

Kommodus has not posted in this thread in 5 days. Even when he was posting he was talking about how little time he had and that he shouldn't have signed up for the game. As has been noted, there do not appear to have been any mafioso failures to get PMs in on time. Kommodus is a very bad vote for these reasons.

FoS: Seamus - His analytical skills are too good to think that Kommodus is still a prime suspect. Along with previous inconsistensies in his analysis and his high level of activity, I urge that he be lynched.

Privateerkev

06-18-2008, 20:29

I have to concur on Seamus.

I still find it suspicious that he cut off his post analysis at Khaan.

And continuing to drum up bandwagons on Kommodus just seems scummy.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-18-2008, 20:38

Seamus.

Privateerkev 68
GeneralHankerchief 45 -- Host
FactionHeir 32 2.29/ppp compared with 0.21/ppp in Capo2
Ichigo 27 1.93/ppp compared with 1.72 in Taormina and 1.05 in Capo2
Andres 23
KukriKhan 23 1.64/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.69 in Capo2
TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?
Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2
Sasaki Kojiro 21 1.5/ppp compared with 3.41 in Taormina and 2.7 in Capo2
Sarathos 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.17 in Taormina and 0.44 in Capo2
shlin28 20 1.43/ppp compared with 0.45 in Taormina and 0.77 in Capo2
Craterus 18 1.29/ppp compared with 0.87 in Capo2

*(no comparison for rest of players)*

Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?

FH:

You're a notch more active here than any previous game.

1.54/ppp as a Detective in Netherworld; 1.94/ppp in St. Thomas as a townie; 1.82/ppp as a Bodyguard in Castle I.

Oddly, you seem to increase posting as your role becomes less of a "power role," or at least that's the case so far.... :inquisitive:

Sasaki-san:

You are way below average for you this time around. 'kev is dusting you on post-count! Will you let this go unchallenged?!? :laugh4:

Sasaki may simply be busy -- or cagey -- he's a bright lad and capable of either. Plus, he's been posting often enough in the backroom to make me think he's not quite as absent as some believe.

Kommodus' explanation is very much in his style, albeit unsatisfying for this outing. Pity too, I had played the first few phases specifically to see if I could sidestep Holmes.

More thoughts later.

Edit: TinCow's other badguy big game -- Netherworld -- saw him posting at 3.0/ppp; very much in line with his mafia role in Taormina and suggestive of a non-mafioso status this time.

Sarathos was 0.54/ppp in Netherworld as a townie. Not in line with this game....

Followed by a vote for Sarathos. Bolded part is interesting.

No suspicion of Kommodus. From this round of posting, one would believe that Seamus thought Kommodus was innocent, didn't think I was guilty, and thought Sarathos was suspicious, and thought factionheir was suspicious.

Well, Tinc's posting activity level, as well as the last post preceding this one, seem smooth and in character. The one that Andres twigged on, and which you now use as evidence, does seem a bit "off."

Kukri's style is totally normal, but his activity level is hugely up.

FH is posting with a frequency that says "townie" for him, but with a flippancy that does not.

This post is a great example of what I find suspicious about seamus.

1) TinCow's post is suspicious, but his frequency means he is innocent!
2) Kukrikhan's posts are all normal, but activity is up = guilty!
3) FactionHeir's posts are suspiciously flippant, but the posting frequency means innocent!

The entire accusation and vote for sarathos was based on posting frequency:

Sarathos was 0.54/ppp in Netherworld as a townie. Not in line with this game....

During the tie breaker Seamus says he thinks both TinCow and FH are innocent and votes for me. Next round:

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Lots of people left who play well and have a track record of success as mafiosi. Sasaki, Kukri, and Kommo stand out, for me, because we're seeing decidedly different volumes than norm from them. With respect, Sasaki, I think your style is too far off your base as well as your posting frrequency change. Your average is now coming up, of course, but....

If you were "laying back and letting things develop," we sure could use the benefits of your quiet insight now.

Kommodus and Kukri remain persons of concern for me.

FactionHeir and sarathos dropped completely. Accusation is entirely based on posting frequency. Other two suspicions based on posting frequency (despite saying earlier that the style of their posts was just like town). Now compare to past games (mafia VI):

Well, to be fair to Kommo, Sasaki is the best at behaving the same regardless of role. He typically posts more than anyone else on the thread by a large margin (except for ichigo). Kommo's system is designed to twig on discrepancies in style.

The limitations are that a style change is often, but not always, a sign of an active role. Sometimes its just a player taking his game to a new level or a relatively new player still developing their style.

Sasaki's absence in this thread is unusual (is he pissed off at the gameroom?).

Kommo's analysis, at least with this last post, is trending more toward the substantive of a townie Kommodus and away from the "keep it nebulous" version he used when in a scum role.

I think Sasaki was a bad lynch here -- though probably inevitable in context.

Suddenly shifting your posting behavior in that fashion is bound to draw attention and make you lynch bait. Therefore it seems unlikely as a mafia strategy.

I guess it was inevitable, however, because Sasaki is a bright chap and capable of using the above as the "reverse" reason for doing it -- WIFOM style. With that possibility, it's too easy a choice just to round up the quiet Sasaki as a "loose end."

On the whole, however, I suspect that we have NOT lynched a possible mafioso, and that this most recent vote is simply an effort at marking time while another pair of you join me.

Oddly enough, he completely discounts posting frequency and says he thinks I'm innocent. This is the townie Seamus.

His latest vote for Kommodus continues the trend. Base suspicions entirely off of posting frequency but selectively ignore some people. Ignore posting style.

I wonder about his asking if Kukri had a role via pm--sounds kind of like a mafioso going fishing.

FactionHeir I will get too some time. Then makaikhaan.

Privateerkev

06-18-2008, 20:43

Also, from the examples you give, he waffles a lot. He says something bad about someone, then something good. This lack of a hard opinion is classic mafia strategy. He posts analysis to seem helpful but neglects to provide much solid opinion or conclusion. And then he keeps changing his mind on what the analysis could mean.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-18-2008, 22:31

I'm convinced.

Unvote: Kommodus

Vote: Seamus

Sasaki Kojiro

06-18-2008, 22:51

I'm convinced.

Unvote: Kommodus

Vote: Seamus

Vote Count:

Seamus 1 (Seamus)

:laugh4:

Moving on to factionheir:

Not a big post just yet. This post from today though:

Nope, only that one today.

Something peculiar about the writeup though:
The first kill had the broken-nose voice and the second had a black mercedes.

In previous write ups, the broken-nose and the black mercedes were the same person, so did we manage to lynch a mafioso?
It is of course entirely possible that they are playing a trick on us whereby the first one (fedora) imitates the broken nose voice, as there was no description of the killer of kill 1 otherwise.

In either case, we should investigate Sasaki's contacts.

Now, read this:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1332639&postcount=637

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. It was a bitterly cold morning, but nevertheless Csar was on sitting on a bench in the village park. However, he was having no fun. First of all, it was very cold out. Second of all, he had work to do. He was hunched over a thick book, furiously scribbling notes down.

A long, dark shadow suddenly came over him. Csar looked up to see what was blocking the sun. He saw a tall figure, wearing a wide brimmed hat with grapes on it. “Csar,” the figure said in a cold, evil voice.

“Oh it’s you Wanax -” Csar said, quite annoyedly, “move out of the way.”

The Wanax raised an eyebrow, or at least that was what Csar perceived, contrary to the fact that the dark void face of The Wanax remained static. “You are not terrified or even intimidated by The Wanax?”

Csar replied: “Normally I would be, but this Calculus is more terrifying and intimidating than any crazed Wanax could ever be.

“Hmm-” mused The Wanax as he plucked a grape from his hat, “I cannot have any rival causing fear around. Very well Csar, I shall help you end your worries concerning Calculus.”

“Really! Thanks Mr. Wanax!” Csar was ecstatic.

“Yes-Yes, anyway, I offer you two choices to end the cancer of calculus: The Analyst or the Phasgana.”

Csar was confused: “I don’t have any idea what either of those are.”

The Wanax rolled his eyes, which furthered perturbed Csar, as the void face remained static. He answered: “The Analyst or A Discourse Addressed to an Infidel Mathematician is Berkeley’s devastating attack on calculus. Now, subsequent mathematicians have addressed the refutations of Berkeley and tried to rigourously defend calculus, most notably Robinson, but it still remains an important challenge.”

The Wanax continued, though his voice had turned conspicuously evil: “However, I do not believe you are able to grasp the theoretical depth of The Analyst, so I shall acquaint you with the phasgana.

Csar noticed this change of tone and suddenly grew scared. "W-what's the phasgana?"

The Wanax grinned, although Csar could see nothing. "Let me show you."

Csar was found, cleaved in half, on the bench. Among the massive amount of blood was a business card with a grape watermark. Embossed on it were the words: ‘The Wanax.’

At the same time, Sigurd Fafnesbane was also out in the cold, admiring the Frontroom cliffs and just meditating. He knew that most likely he would die, so he might as well be at peace with himself before that time game.

So Sigurd passed the day by just staring out to the sea, immune to the cold. He was a Norwegian, after all. This kind of weather didn't bother him in the least.

However, what he saw next chilled to the bone. He could see a Bible passage painted onto one of the extremely pointy rocks below.

In shock, Sigurd turned around, wondering if anybody was around. He saw, right behind him, a man in sunglasses and a trenchcoat, grinning.

"Hello," said the mafioso, and punched Sigurd in the jaw. He went down, hard, but the mafioso grabbed his collar and dragged him to the edge of the cliffs.

"By the way, that Bible passage will be a lot easier to read on the way down." With that, the mafioso pushed Sigurd off the cliffs.

His statement was proven true. The last thing Sigurd saw before impacting on one of the extremely pointy rocks below was the following, painted on another rock:

"Apocalypse 12:9"

Later that day, in Chief of Police Beirut's office (the town square was now no more than a large crater due to the Wrath of God/General Hankerchief), the town was gathered to hear the latest news.

"Gentlemen," Beirut began, "Sorry about the lack of space, but judging by your previous successes room will soon be made. Anyway, Csar and Sigurd have been killed, and the person executed will still be buried alive. So get voting, and if you need to use the bathroom, it's down the hall, third door to your left."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Original post:

Okay, now I'm mad. The stupid thing crashed just as I clicked the "post" button. So, until I feel like writing the kills for a third friggin' time, I'm just going to post a short synopsis of who died.

-Csar was killed by the Wanax.
-Sigurd Fafnesbane was pushed off of a cliff. The Bible passage was "Apocalypse 12:9"

This from the round right after reenk roink had been lynched (the wanax killer).

It's a possibility that FactionHeir and his comrade tried to make it look like I was a mafioso that had been lynched. The mercedes is a subtle touch. From the way FH noticed and jumped right on it with the suggestion that we examine my "contacts" I think there is a decent chance of this. FH also fits in with Seamus as a possible pairing. FH was one of the people Seamus waffled on. His strange refusal to vote during the tie between FH and TC may have been his unwillingness to either vote for FH or possibly reveal himself by voting to save FH.

Seamus is still the lynch for today though...

GeneralHankerchief

06-18-2008, 23:18

woad&fangs

06-18-2008, 23:22

Also from Mafia V, I present to you the kill of Sir Moody...

world. They knew nothing of the UltraWar situation. After all, this was the Frontroom. The Kingdom of Peace and Love! Crime was unheard of in these parts!

Anyways, they were walking down the street, not a care in the world. They were laughing, talking, and eating. The birds were chriping above them. But then, suddenly, they all flew away.

Behind them, a motor roared. A black unmarked car was speeding down the road. He had obviously removed the muffler to make the car louder. Sir Moody's gang cheered. This guy was obviously cool.

Somebody leaned out the window. He was dressed impeccably, in an unruffled suit with a black tie. The man had sunglasses on. Then something else leaned out of the window... the man's hands, holding onto a tommy gun!

Fire sprayed from the gun as the car roared by. Sir Moody was down, the victim of a drive-by shooting. One of his friends checked for a pulse, but there was none. He was gone.

Either Seamus is a mafioso or someone is trying really hard to frame him. :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

06-18-2008, 23:31

Oh God, I remember doing that kill. It took me forever because the computer ate it twice right before I was about to post it. :laugh4:

Anyway, Sasaki, are you sure you have your rounds right? Reenk was lynched after that. I think you're looking for the Trix kill.

My bad, this is the right round:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1337663&postcount=689

I forgot that reenk revealed at night.

Kagemusha

06-18-2008, 23:43

Vote: Seamus. The initial hunch remains strong.

GeneralHankerchief

06-18-2008, 23:44

I think that one might have been the best of my games ever. Of course, III and VI give it a run for its money...

*goes back to reread thread*

FactionHeir

06-18-2008, 23:58

It's a possibility that FactionHeir and his comrade tried to make it look like I was a mafioso that had been lynched. The mercedes is a subtle touch. From the way FH noticed and jumped right on it with the suggestion that we examine my "contacts" I think there is a decent chance of this. FH also fits in with Seamus as a possible pairing. FH was one of the people Seamus waffled on. His strange refusal to vote during the tie between FH and TC may have been his unwillingness to either vote for FH or possibly reveal himself by voting to save FH.

Seamus is still the lynch for today though...

Right, so I miraculously decided not to do it when TC and I were tied for the day after to remove any morsel of guilt from me and instead do it a few turns later? That doesn't sound very plausible, given the fact that I did not even vote you last turn (I abstained).

In my opinion you are trying rather hard to derail the town here after your rightful lynch.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-19-2008, 00:10

Right, so I miraculously decided not to do it when TC and I were tied for the day after to remove any morsel of guilt from me and instead do it a few turns later? That doesn't sound very plausible, given the fact that I did not even vote you last turn (I abstained).

In my opinion you are trying rather hard to derail the town here after your rightful lynch.

Do you think seamus is guilty?

Beefy187

06-19-2008, 00:43

Focus on these players today(no particular order)

Shlin28
FactionHeir
Makaikhaan
Beefy187

Its interesting what victory in BR can do...

Anyway sorry for missing out on the last voting round. There is really no excuse apart from watching a few Euro soccer game.

Anyways about the kills. Interesting thing is Shlin and RK gone in the same day. Reading this 'Japanese' book about 'killing each other' which resembles BR. As you know Shlin is the champion of the previous BR game and RK the host

Probably a coincidence but there is a small possibility of the kill done by BR player

Nothing big really. I just thought Ill act like ive been analyzing the game.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ________________

Anyways since I broke my original promise of reading through the thread, analyzing hardcore, hunting down the mafia, I will just talk about the four choice offered by W&F

Sarathos, beefy187, FactionHeir, and Makaikhaan.

Sarathos, interesting player. Up till now his been reasonably active, but acting like a usual him as a townie. Ive never seen him as mafia but I don't think its him.

Beefy. Guys cmon. Its my natural habit of being scummy. And I must remind you that almost every single lynch you did to me ended up killing one innocent townie. Assuming that im allowed to suicide, I will suicide rather then getting voted on lynch. So if I get around 5 pms telling me to die I will.

My knowledge on FHs behavior is somewhat limited. Just from observing the last 2 rounds or so, I cannot find him particularly scummy. I do remember a massive FH accusation post somewhere. If I can find that sometime today I might change the vote to FH

makaikhaan: It might be a bad lynch. But if he does happen to be mafia thats really bad for a town. makaikhaan is very talented mafia player and so far the killing pattern suggest that out of the four culprit offered by W&F he is the most likely.

Its a very poor analysis and argument but hell. Thats how I roll.

I was going for lynching Kommodus but I am guessing he is about to get wogged for inactivity. If he does show up then we can talk more.

seamus has been very active and helpful for town. I don't think its a good idea to lynch him just yet. but out of this 6 he is the most suspecious after Makaikhaan for me.

Vote:Makaikhaan

For now until I find more about Seamus or FH

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 00:53

seamus has been very active and helpful for town. I don't think its a good idea to lynch him just yet. but out of this 6 he is the most suspecious after Makaikhaan for me.

If Seamus is a townie, he can keep helping after being lynched.

And Seamus, despite your massive WIFOM, your still the best lynch choice this round. Voting to lynch yourself on D1 is novel, cute, and clever. Doing it on D6 is just scummy. :yes:

On the first day, the chances of finding mafia are about nill. But by the 6th day, we have some real suspects. And your original vote this round was quite frankly laughable. Kommodus is basically WoG bait at this point.

Beefy187

06-19-2008, 00:57

Yea ok

Unvote: Makaikhaan Vote: Seamus

What PK said

and oh yea I will laugh at my own reasoning :laugh4:

woad&fangs

06-19-2008, 01:24

I'm convinced.

Unvote: Kommodus

Vote: Seamus

https://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9314/emotbandwagonqr2ff4.gif

discovery1

06-19-2008, 01:27

https://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9314/emotbandwagonqr2ff4.gif

BANDWAGON!

Vote:Seamus

FactionHeir

06-19-2008, 01:27

Do you think seamus is guilty?

As I wrote a few pages back, I found him to be suspicious. But unless there is a very good reason to vote him or anyone else for that matter, I do like to have some more concrete evidence as the game is rather advanced at this point and each lynch choice must be made carefully.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 02:21

As I wrote a few pages back, I found him to be suspicious. But unless there is a very good reason to vote him or anyone else for that matter, I do like to have some more concrete evidence as the game is rather advanced at this point and each lynch choice must be made carefully.

concrete evidence?!?

Without a detective reveal, there isn't any concrete evidence.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-19-2008, 02:28

Ok,

From the write-up both kills were effected similarly. Up until this point we have had two distinct killers.

One who was:
-impeccably dressed
-wore a fedora and trenchcoat
-was irrepressibly cheerful
-engaged the hapless victim in conversation
-had a thing for cliches... :laugh4:

The second:
-carried a shotgun
-had a broken nose
-drove a black Mercedes
-had a much gloomier outlook (maybe due to the broken nose).

There are now as I see it two possibilities.

1: We lynched the cheerful mafioso. This was Sasaki. Now there is only one mafioso left.
2: The Mafiosi are trying to trick us, and frame Sasaki. Both are still alive, and one is imitating the other.

I'd go with the first option, but I'm not entirely sure.

That said I agree with Sasaki's post that condemns FactionHeir, the trouble is that I'm of the opinion that Sasaki was mafia... Gah!!!

Seamus also seems to be very suspicious atm, but if we get too carried away and bandwagon him, and new evidence against someone comes to light, we may not be able to swing enough votes around in time. Plus Bandwagoning allows the Mafia to hide in the shadows...

Vote: Sarathos

Wherefore art thou Sarathos?

Beefy187

06-19-2008, 02:30

Vote: Sarathos

Wherefore art thou Sarathos?

He probably has exam today. But knowing Sarathos he'll show up sometime before the end of the day.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-19-2008, 02:44

1: We lynched the cheerful mafioso. This was Sasaki. Now there is only one mafioso left.

The mafia don't have to show it when one of them is lynched. The change in write up isn't evidence of anything.

woad&fangs

06-19-2008, 02:46

Yep, in Mafia VII me and CR tried to frame Husar by both using the same killer's description. FactionHeir is doing the same thing to Sasaki.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 02:47

The mafia don't have to show it when one of them is lynched. The change in write up isn't evidence of anything.

I have to agree with Sasaki here. While I have never played in a GH game before, I do know that Sasaki and I manipulated the write up many times in Taormina to throw people off.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-19-2008, 03:57

I accept this, but its still one possibility. To discount it completely just because its unlikely would be pretty foolish imo.

I'll be back tomorrow morning (my time). Stupid exam period... grumble...

Seamus Fermanagh

06-19-2008, 04:26

If Seamus is a townie, he can keep helping after being lynched.

And Seamus, despite your massive WIFOM, your still the best lynch choice this round. Voting to lynch yourself on D1 is novel, cute, and clever. Doing it on D6 is just scummy. :yes:

On the first day, the chances of finding mafia are about nill. But by the 6th day, we have some real suspects. And your original vote this round was quite frankly laughable. Kommodus is basically WoG bait at this point.

So which is it? Am I too ham-fisted or too subtle for my own good?

My lynch this day was a virtual certainty from the moment players began to explore persistency of activity in voting et al as a likely mafia signature. I have been one of those who has voted every round throughout and participated on a regular but not very frequent basis. With that rubric, I become a high profile lynch candidate. I have therefore expected to be lynched today, and I thought I'd just switch off votes and make it unanimous.

Moreover, while providing some analytical insight, none of the conclusions developed did more than cast some kind of spotlight on almost 10 players. This is exactly what I'd do with an analytical piece were I mafia (though I'd actually be careful to include myself rather than skip over). One can WIFOM the incomplete data v purposefully fudging the analysis point all day. No real change in position.

Moreover, if I am a townie, I can still contribute while dead, so there's no point in keeping me alive. In fact, as with Sasaki, my death is likely to increase my credibility with the rest of the players.

I voted quickly to get things rolling and basically flipped a coin over Kommo and Kukri. My gut says Kukri is the detective and not mafia, but I have no proof for that. Kommo is inactive -- but given his own self-admitted sense of discomfort with mafia roles, it is just possible, however unlikely, that this is a ploy. So I never crossed him off my list.

Have to remember that as mafia next time. I'll just send e-mail to the host and have my partner mail me the posts for review while claiming to be away.

So, pull all the votes off of everyone else, lynch Seamus and get on with narrowing the field. I've never survived one of these games yet and it would be a shame to ruin the streak.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 04:30

I voted quickly to get things rolling and basically flipped a coin over Kommo and Kukri. My gut says Kukri is the detective and not mafia, but I have no proof for that. Kommo is inactive -- but given his own self-admitted sense of discomfort with mafia roles, it is just possible, however unlikely, that this is a ploy. So I never crossed him off my list.

A real townie wouldn't be trying to out the power-town role in public. :no:

If your not mafia, then your at the very least a "bad townie". And therefore a good lynch choice for today. :yes:

TinCow

06-19-2008, 14:12

Hmm. I still think Seamus is the best lynch for today. However, if the mafia isn't dead at that point, I would suggest re-examination of FactionHeir and some pressure on Gaius Scribonius Curio. I also think that it's unlikely that the detective is still alive. I find it hard to believe that he hasn't found at least one of the mafioso by this point, and his silence makes me think that he was killed early on or perhaps WoGed. TevashSzat may have been the detective, since the write-up seems to indicate that he was the person who wrote the "letters" clue on the back of the map.

KukriKhan

06-19-2008, 14:13

Have to remember that as mafia next time. I'll just send e-mail to the host and have my partner mail me the posts for review while claiming to be away.

Indeed. :laugh4:

My apologies, fellas. Things have heated up a bit in the backroom, taking away some of my time for this game. So I've kinda lost track of the 'missing letters' clue(s), and who's recently on the burner. Judging by the bolded vote:___ posts, we're now in a Day phase and picking a lynchee.

Is it clear to anyone (it isn't to me, yet) whether the kill write-ups are being done exclusively by GeneralHandkerchief, or is he getting "suggested text" from the mafia along with their night PM's?

The answer to that might help us decide the significance/insignificance of kill-styles and weapon, vehicle & 'chatter' details.

I flatter myself that I recognize Seamus' writing style, having read many of his posts. With that in mind, I say: he's consistent here with how he writes eslewhere - usually trying to see both sides of an issue/problem, spelling them out, then applying judgment, while tempering that judgment with caveats.

I think he's townie.

But I've been fooled in every game so far, so take that with a Litre of salt.

Vote: Sarathos

just to smoke him out for input.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-19-2008, 14:14

:inquisitive:

'kev:

Where's the part about me trying to stop the lynch at this point? I missed it -- perhaps because I didn't write one. You don't need to keep pulling the trigger when the target has dropped.

Your "bad townie" comment I find annoying, as I do not think of myself as a poor player. However, I will assume you're not just trying to get my goat and take time between games to reconsider my gamestyle this time through. Perhaps you are correct and my approach was annoying/confusing enough to warrant removal.

NOTE: You and Sasaki are both playing a key role/leading the discussion as the town hunts the mafia. This despite that fact that both of you were lynched, not murdered (so one of you must be innocent but both may not be). The non-victims should be a bit more wary of comments made by all three of us -- we are all suspect as lynchees. GH's game is a classic, and he is unlikely to give away how many mafia remain or to give us clues that are easily soluable in his puzzle until the endgame.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 14:32

Where's the part about me trying to stop the lynch at this point? I missed it -- perhaps because I didn't write one. You don't need to keep pulling the trigger when the target has dropped.

Is this the part where I am supposed to be so moved by your selfless act, that I decide you must really be a townie? :laugh4:

Your "bad townie" comment I find annoying, as I do not think of myself as a poor player. However, I will assume you're not just trying to get my goat and take time between games to reconsider my gamestyle this time through. Perhaps you are correct and my approach was annoying/confusing enough to warrant removal.

My comments in here are meant to be taken "in character". I am not commenting on your abilities as a person. I am commenting on your actions and how I perceive them. So, for the purposes of this game, I think at the very least, your a "bad townie" and we would be better off with you dead.

After the game, I'm all up for ~:cheers:

Craterus

06-19-2008, 18:06

I think FH/Kukri is a better lynch than Seamus but whatever.

I'd also urge remaining townie players not to be led easily by the logic of PK or SK.

TinCow

06-19-2008, 18:18

I think FH/Kukri is a better lynch than Seamus but whatever.

Can someone recap the case against Kukri? I can't remember what's been presented against him. As noted above, I agree about turning up the heat on FH once again.

Craterus

06-19-2008, 18:53

Kukri posts occasionally, keeping under the radar and not presenting any real case.

I'm not basing my suspicions on any posting analysis or detailed things. I just pick people out who I think are writing in a mafia style (active enough not to draw suspicion, normal and uncontroversial, really trying to blend in).

If you look at the post, he votes Sarathos 'to smoke him out' even though this is at least the second vote on him and I can't see Kukri coming back to change it. He doesn't say much else in the post either but excuses his lack of activity.

It's a hunch, like I said. But consider Kukri added to the list. ~:)

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 20:00

I'd also urge remaining townie players not to be led easily by the logic of PK or SK.

I'd recommend the remaining townie players not let themselves be led easily by anyone.

TinCow

06-19-2008, 20:07

I'd recommend the remaining townie players not let themselves be led easily by anyone.

Well, in this game anyone who was killed at night is guaranteed innocent. That makes them completely trustworthy, even if not always completely accurate. It's us lynch-bait that needs to be scrutinized more heavily, even when we seem to make sense, since one of us could theoretically be working against the town.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 20:14

Well, in this game anyone who was killed at night is guaranteed innocent. That makes them completely trustworthy, even if not always completely accurate. It's us lynch-bait that needs to be scrutinized more heavily, even when we seem to make sense, since one of us could theoretically be working against the town.

Even the innocent can be wrong. Craterus wants to make it sound like the town should let themselves be led by others. He mentions me and Sasaki specifically, so that implies that the rest of the dead, (like him for instance) would be ok for the town to blindly follow. I would argue that the town should be wary of anyone who tries to lead the rest around.

Csargo

06-19-2008, 20:20

Vote:GeneralHandgrenadechief

Craterus

06-19-2008, 20:21

I'm not implying anything. I just picked out the two players who are talking quite a bit.
I hate it when everyone follows the logic of a single player, alive or dead. Games need discussion and saying 'yeah, I agree' doesn't help.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 20:24

Andres

06-19-2008, 20:57

And I wished you guys lynched Kukri :shrug:

Kagemusha

06-19-2008, 20:59

Im pretty sure that once all the word game players have been lynched it will be a townie victory.:smash:

FactionHeir

06-19-2008, 22:02

I wouldn't mind being led on by PK after he helped the town win in the lawyer game.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 22:11

I wouldn't mind being led on by PK after he helped the town win in the lawyer game.

That's very kind but I'll stick to my assertion that the live townies shouldn't let themselves be led on by anyone.

But now that the lawyer game is over, I will say something. FH's "strange" behavior seems more like an attempt to change his "style" than evidence of scummyness. In the lawyer game, he was very much innocent. And he is posting in here much like he did in there. So, my hunch is that he is innocent in this game as well. At the very least, his change in "style" should not be seen as automatic proof of guilt.

FactionHeir

06-19-2008, 22:19

Now to wait for people to start yelling "Its been PK and FH all along!" :grin2:

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 22:21

Now to wait for people to start yelling "Its been PK and FH all along!" :grin2:

Seeing as I'm already dead, that will do very little to me. You on the other hand could meet a very violent end because of that comment.

:laugh4:

Sarathos

06-19-2008, 23:06

Vote: Sarathos
just to smoke him out for input.
*Sarathos runs out coughing*
Thanks Kukri

I am still undecided at this point, a lot has gone on so far but I don't think there is anything outstanding.

Vote:Abstain, I know it doesn't help but I just to see how the mafia play it out from here.

Privateerkev

06-19-2008, 23:17

I know it doesn't help but I just to see how the mafia play it out from here.

My guess is that they are going to keep killing people until everyone is dead... :smash:

:clown:

woad&fangs

06-19-2008, 23:46

^:laugh4:

Also, I was really hoping that either FH or Sarathos was mafia in the lawyer game. It would have made them easier to analyze in this one.

As long as no one gets WoG'd I think the town is actually in pretty good shape. We still have a few more lynches left and a reasonable short list of suspects.

Edit: I guess I'm up on the small game Que. BLATANT ADVERTISING, PLEASE JOIN DOCTOR MAFIA :clown:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-20-2008, 02:04

Gah! No write-up yet? And I have work in half an hour... :wall:

Thoughts. Kukri looks a bit suspicious, more so than Sarathos in any case... If Sarathos has exams atm, then I sympathise and empathise with that so...

Unvote: Sarathos, Vote: Kukrikhan

My lynch this day was a virtual certainty from the moment players began to explore persistency of activity in voting et al as a likely mafia signature. I have been one of those who has voted every round throughout and participated on a regular but not very frequent basis. With that rubric, I become a high profile lynch candidate.

This is going to seem very dodgy (as I am on said list of 'active mafioso'), but has nobody considered the fact that posting/voting in the thread, isn't necessarily the only indicator of activity. In a mafioso is at liberty to pop online PM GH and then sink back into obscurity. Posting in the thread only increases their visibility and hence their chances of getting lynched... particularly since you guys started bruiting this theory around.

Anyways, may be back later.

Privateerkev

06-20-2008, 02:24

This is going to seem very dodgy (as I am on said list of 'active mafioso'), but has nobody considered the fact that posting/voting in the thread, isn't necessarily the only indicator of activity. In a mafioso is at liberty to pop online PM GH and then sink back into obscurity. Posting in the thread only increases their visibility and hence their chances of getting lynched... particularly since you guys started bruiting this theory around.

People who don't post/vote but don't get WoG'd should get lynched. :yes:

GeneralHankerchief

06-20-2008, 02:59

Okay, I just got back from graduation and now have Project Graduation (all night) to go to, like... right now. Voting will go until noon EST or whatever time I drag myself out of bed.

Again, I'm sorry for the constant extensions of voting but this should definitely be the last time.

discovery1

06-20-2008, 04:40

Sigurd

06-20-2008, 07:52

So... we think Kukri and Seamus is our Mafiosi?

Is Seamus being more defensive than he usually is?
vote: Seamus

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-20-2008, 08:29

Not much more for me to add, but I feel that I should expand upon what I said earlier (I was in a hurry). PK is of course correct in what he said, and in light of the Kommodus should definitely be flagged as possible mafioso. Caius also...

However, my main point is that someone could be posting in thread every now and again, perhaps miss a vote here or there, and still be easily able to get a quick PM to GH, without posting overly much or 'too suspiciously'. With 24 hour phases, it really can't be that difficult to post one short PM, even if there is no time for anything else. As such the theory that people who are more active are more likely to mafia, because the mafia hasn't missed a kill isn't as valid as some people seem to be holding it.

Again this is bound to sound defensive because I'm on the list of active posters, but I think its something to consider.

Beefy187

06-20-2008, 10:08

Gah! No write-up yet? And I have work in half an hour... :wall:

Thoughts. Kukri looks a bit suspicious, more so than Sarathos in any case... If Sarathos has exams atm, then I sympathise and empathise with that so...

Unvote: Sarathos, Vote: Kukrikhan

This is going to seem very dodgy (as I am on said list of 'active mafioso'), but has nobody considered the fact that posting/voting in the thread, isn't necessarily the only indicator of activity. In a mafioso is at liberty to pop online PM GH and then sink back into obscurity. Posting in the thread only increases their visibility and hence their chances of getting lynched... particularly since you guys started bruiting this theory around.

Anyways, may be back later.

No more exam excuses. It finishes today for Sarathos

For that untownie like behavior of abstaining and also the fact that there is no better option for me

Vote: Sarathos

GeneralHankerchief

06-20-2008, 10:14

Congradulations GH. What's project graduation? Probably some kind of party.

It's basically this big party organized by parents and teachers to keep the HS grads from drinking and getting into trouble the night after they graduate.

You have no idea it how long it took to choerently type and edit that last sentence. sleeeeeeepy time....

thanks btw.

FactionHeir

06-20-2008, 11:51

I suspect many errors in the next writeup then :grin2:

KukriKhan

06-20-2008, 13:27

*Sarathos runs out coughing*
Thanks Kukri

I am still undecided at this point, a lot has gone on so far but I don't think there is anything outstanding.

Vote:Abstain, I know it doesn't help but I just to see how the mafia play it out from here.

LOL. At least we now know that you're reading, and responding when called.

unvote: Sarathos
vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

I think Seamus is town. I think the detective is dead. I think we lynched one mafia guy. I think the remaining mafia is Sigurd, who is conspiring (and laughing) with his dead partner on that "other" forum.

Andres

06-20-2008, 13:56

LOL. At least we now know that you're reading, and responding when called.

unvote: Sarathos
vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

I think Seamus is town. I think the detective is dead. I think we lynched one mafia guy. I think the remaining mafia is Sigurd, who is conspiring (and laughing) with his dead partner on that "other" forum.

What other forum? Linky?

KukriKhan

06-20-2008, 14:44

I don't remember the name of the place... it's one of those "build your own message board" places, where the mafias in Capo2 and Taormina hung out and discussed strategy & chose victims. The mafias provided links to it at the end of those games, for our information and amusement. I remember being kind of taken aback that some much had gone on behind-the-scenes out of view of the 'official' org gamethread.

woad&fangs

06-20-2008, 14:50

Sigurd

06-20-2008, 15:06

I think Seamus is town. I think the detective is dead. I think we lynched one mafia guy. I think the remaining mafia is Sigurd, who is conspiring (and laughing) with his dead partner on that "other" forum.
Did I strike a nerve?
Seamus believes Kukri is the detective and Kukri believes Seamus is town.
Since any sane detective would have investigated me by now, We can safely say that Kukri is not the detective.
I know Seamus' nose for statistics are nearly at par with Kommodus' Holmes and I wonder if Seamus tried to give Kukri an alibi for sticking out like a sour thumb.
PK objected to the revelation of potential pro-town roles and rightfully so. It seems Seamus could be in the informed minority and tried to put his buddy in crime in the clear, and forgot about our paranoia.
What do the rest of the surviving townies think?

Sasaki Kojiro

06-20-2008, 17:38

That's a good point.

GeneralHankerchief

06-20-2008, 18:13

Voting over, stand by for the execution.

...in a little while.

GeneralHankerchief

06-20-2008, 19:31

*Note: I apologize in advance for the poor quality of this scene. Blame it on a lack of sleep. Please assume that the following is perfectly-spelled, and longer to boot. Final apologies go to the lynched, who deserves a better death.*

At last, finally, there was a clear lynch target without there having to be a run-off vote. Chief of Police Beirut, realizing this, eagerly counted down the final seconds on his watch, ready to close voting precisely at the time limit. There would be no last-minute surge, no last-second save. Instead there was...

"All right, gentlemen," he said, "The voting period is now over. And by the looks of it, it looks like we have our guilty party. Seamus Fermanagh, could you please approach the voting platform?"

Seamus, wearing a "ah, so be it" look on his face, complied, albeit slowly and deliberately.

"Well," he asked, "What elaborate death do you have planned for me? I didn't think you could top the immolation combined with your helicopter hat, but I do admit the giant weight and tricking Sasaki was pretty special. So what's it going to be? Are you going to launch me into the stratosphere and light me up like a firework?"

"No," said Beirut. He took out his pistol, cocked it, and blasted Seamus right between the eyes.

"Shaking it up a little bit," Beirut said. "Hopefully I won't need to do it again tomorrow. Let's find out if you did your job," he finished, addressing the remaining townies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (15)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
CountArach
Kommodus
Kagemusha
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh

PMs please. WoGs will happen at the end of the next day phase.

FactionHeir

06-20-2008, 21:40

Does that mean any error in day write ups is not supposed to be considered either?

GeneralHankerchief

06-20-2008, 22:30

All I said was to pretend that the most recent write-up was immaculate.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-20-2008, 23:01

I see. There aren't any spelling errors or missing letters and there aren't supposed to be. This means that Seamus is the first person to not have any missing letters. That would indicate that he was mafia.

I'll have to look back and see if the missing letters are individual clues pertaining to the person who's description they appeared in.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-21-2008, 01:46

I see. There aren't any spelling errors or missing letters and there aren't supposed to be. This means that Seamus is the first person to not have any missing letters. That would indicate that he was mafia.

No, it means GH was tired and didn't want to malf up.

I was not a mafioso in this game, just a townie. Confirmation of this will have to wait until the write up.

Town, please remember to trust Sasaki and 'Kev to the precise level you trusted me. One of them (and maybe both) are innocent, but a lynching does NOT confirm innocence.

Privateerkev

06-21-2008, 02:55

Town, please remember to trust Sasaki and 'Kev to the precise level you trusted me. One of them (and maybe both) are innocent, but a lynching does NOT confirm innocence.

:laugh4:

Oh that's funny...

Yes, a 1st day lynch is exactly like a 6th day lynch using the same exact amount of evidence. Therefore, since they are exact in every conceivable way, then the town should make sure the amount of trust afforded to both individuals is precisely the same.

:clown:

Sasaki Kojiro

06-21-2008, 03:14

No, it means GH was tired and didn't want to malf up.

No I don't think so. He said to "assume the following was perfectly-spelled and longer" meaning that ideally it would be longer and without any spelling errors. i.e. no missing letters.

Town, please remember to trust Sasaki and 'Kev to the precise level you trusted me. One of them (and maybe both) are innocent, but a lynching does NOT confirm innocence.

I posted what you had done that was suspicious. What do you think kev and I have done that's suspicious? Or should our trust of people not have any relation to their actions?

KukriKhan

06-21-2008, 03:20

Any reason why you think Sarathos is innocent and Sigurd is scummy:inquisitive:

edit: and you're thinking of quicktopic.

Thanks. That's it.

Sarathos innocent? Not conclusively, but he did respond when called, so I lay off him at the mo'.

Sigurd scummy? Again, not conclusively. But he is usually a brilliant analyst of motive and dissector of post nuance - talents that he has failed to share with us here so far (except above, after he was invoked). So I jump to the conclusion that he is either uninterested in this particular game, or is hiding as maf.

GH promises WoG's at the end of the next Day phase. By my own personal assessment, that could whittle town strength down by about 5 players. Leaving 10.

If I'm right and the detective and 1 maf is dead, barring any special roles or role-upgrades, we townies have 4 more day/night phases to find the bad guy.

I say: lets's pressure the usual top-5 posters in mafia games as to why they are so quiet in this one. Starting with Sigurd and Sasaki, then moving on to Ichigo, CountArach, and Caius.

How's about it fellas? Long time, no hear. Whatcha been up to?

-edit to add-
To the detective: If you are still alive: first: congratulations! Second: IMO revealing after the next day phase, after GH WoG's whomever he WoG's, would be perfect for the town. By now you should have ammassed a sizeable investigation list that would be extremely helpful in our selecting lynchees, and avoiding known innocents. Please consider this option seriously. If you do not reveal at that point, I'll assume I was correct, and that you are dead already.

GeneralHankerchief

06-21-2008, 04:58

Sasaki Kojiro

06-21-2008, 05:22

Thanks...your wording is off though.

GeneralHankerchief

06-21-2008, 05:35

Probably because I was so tired. :tongue:

RoadKill

06-21-2008, 19:31

Hey, I'm dead. :inquisitive:

GeneralHankerchief

06-21-2008, 21:58

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. However, this silence would not last, as it was pierced by the engines of two cars making their rounds in town.

The black Mercedes and its driver were on the prowl, searching for another victim, preferably to drive-by blast someone as they were walking by, as before. However, consiidering the intelligence of the remaining townies (how else were they still living, unless of course the mafia had simply decided it was not quite yet their time?) the mafioso knew that this would be highly unlikely.

This soon proved to be the case, as there was simply no one to be found walking outside. After crossing the town at least three times over and wasting a good amount of expensive gas (why oh why did he not rob his victims after killing them? the mafioso thought), he adjusted his strategy. There were other ways of telling where people were.

Upon driving the first public location, the mafioso scanned the parking lot, and - success! One single, lonely car was present. Apparently, someone was making themselves comfortable in the Frontroom Library whilst their comrades perished. Unfortnately for this someone, he was too careless. The car was a dead giveaway. The mafioso smirked as he gripped a shotgun and strolled inside.

CountArach heard the door open and, caught by surprise, ducked under the table, sending his reading material flying in his hurry to find a spot in sufficiciency. The mafioso saw his pitiful efforts and laughed out loud. Time to play with his food before eating it.

"Good God, man, what are you doing?" he said. "I'm not here to harm you."

CA wasn't convinced one bit. "Then why are you holding that shotgun in your hands?"

"What, this? I'm looking for a book on how to properly handle weaponry. There's no point in defending myself if I don't know how to properly work this thing."

"I... see..." said CA, taken aback by the smoothness of the mafioso's response. He got out from under the table, probably realizing that the mafioso would have shot him either way by now. Instead, the mafioso walked up to the table and picked up the books that he had sent flying earlier. Unsurprisingly, they were CA's favorite works, the complete collection of Karl Marx.

"Ah," said the mafioso, "a budding revolutionary, eh?"

"I like his ideas," said CA, now somewhat defensively. Instead of preparing to get killed, he was preparing to defend his political beliefs. Not as life-threatening, perhaps, but certainly more annoying. But the mafioso surprised him once again.

"It's interesting how our current situation is being played out and how much it relates to Marx's writing," the mafioso said. "What do you think Marx would think of our lynching system?"

"Well..." CA said, thinking, "He'd be happy that so much direct power was in the hands of the people. That the proletariat decided their own destiny. I think... I think he'd like it."

"But the results?"

"Well," said CA, "We don't know yet. To my knowledge, nobody's been killed today, so that might mean something... And besides, who's to say that we would have been better off with another system? Here we get to discuss ideas, share information, make reasonable debates, and come to an informed decision where the plurality agrees. I think it's the best we can do, really."

"Interesting," said the mafioso. "What about the actual commmission of these acts? I know that a lot of people died on their own property."

"I think this helps Marx's case, actually," said CA. "People aren't defending their private property properly. If it was all in the hands of, say, the government, I think there'd be less murders. You'll notice that the mafia haven't killed anybody in the town square."

The mafioso paused, saying nothing for over a minute, as if drinking all of this information in.

Finally, he spoke again, making a slight adjustment with his hands on the shotgun. "Let's move on a bit. I'm sure you know what Marx has to say about religion, right?"

"Of course," said CA, now fully-engrossed in the discussion. "He said it is the opiate of the masses."

"Correct. I think, had Marx known about our situation, he would have added a corollary to that statement," the mafioso said lazily.

"And what would that be?"

"Religion is the opiate of the masses, but the mafia are the predators of the masses." In a flash, he had his shotgun out, pumped it, and blasted the young, budding socialist who would never engage in another political discussion again. The mafioso walked out as, in a touch of irony, all of Marx's works begun to stain red.

The second car driving around was going at a much slower pace than the Mercedes. All in all, one would consider it the polar opposite of a typical mafioso transport vehicle: It was large, slow, white, and announced its presence to all not by gunfire, but by music.

The jaunty, innocent tune of the ice cream truck played as it was driven around.

It looked completely normal, more suited to happier times in the Frontroom. As previously mentioned, it was white, with a huge ice cream cone painted on the sides with a ridiculous grin. The music, of course, was played in a major key and repeated every couple of minutes, and it was cheery enough to lighten up even the most sour of moods. Perhaps the only thing that would have tipped anybody off that there was something wrong was the name: "Luigi's Ice Cream" was painted on the truck, but then again, that didn't necessarily mean anything, and besides, the Russian Mafia and Japanese Yakuza were more prevalent and deadly now, anyways. At a closer glance, one could read the sign that said: "Try our Chocolate Extraordinaiire!"

The ice cream truck drove by, looking for customers; someone to buy a refreshing snack on a hot day. Of course, there were no takers. Nevertheless, the truck kept moving and playing its cheery song.

Finally, someone came out. Fully enticed by the song and hot after a hard few hours of work, Joe Monks ran out, a ton of cash stuffd in his fist. At the sight of this, the driver poked his head out.

"Lobely day, nobe?" he said. "Whad'll id be?"

"Hmm," said Joe. "I'll try your Chocolate Extraordinaire."

The driver nodded and disappeared back into the truck. About a minute later he came back out with a massive chocolate cone. Joe paid and the truck began driving away. Satisfied, he took his first lick.

At that instant, the music on the truck suddenly halved in tempo and changed into a sinister, minor key. Unfortunately for Joe Monks, he didn't notice, too engrossed in his Chocolate Extraordinaire. He took another lick. Machine gun nozzles popped out of the back of the truck.

He took another lick. They fired.

After a few seconds, the machine guns retreated back into the truck and the music returned to normal, leaving Joe Monks and most of his ultra-tech lick-sensing Chocolate Extraordinaire on the hot pavement. It hadn't occurrred to him what the Extraordinaire had meant at all.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he said, "two orders of business today. First of all, yeah, the mafia are still here, so you'd do well to get it right this time. Second of all, we found the following slip of paper in Joe Monks's ice cream."

Beirut passed it around to everybody and they read the piece of paper, while stained with chocolate ice cream, was still intelligible.

"Quelques lettres seront trouvées, mais seulement quelques pièces s'adaptent au énigme."

"So yeah," Beirut said. "The French may be a bit off, but you get the idea. Get voting!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (13)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
Kommodus
Kagemusha
discovery1
Joe Monks

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill
CountArach
Joe Monks

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh

A reminder that WoGs will happen at the end of this phase, or, if a tie occurs, at the end of that vote.

Sasaki Kojiro

06-21-2008, 22:15

So, only some letters are relevant? Interesting.

I got this from the babelfish:

" Some letters will be found, but only some parts s' adapt to the énigme."

woad&fangs

06-21-2008, 22:20

enigme is riddle.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-22-2008, 03:16

KukriKhan

06-22-2008, 03:40

Hmmm.

Does the "tone" of this write-up indicate that two mafiosi are still in business? Or do we never get such a hint?

I've played a several GH games, but not all. It just strikes me that the first killer -- in such an extended conversation -- is distinct from the second (broken nose) killer.

Crap. I thought (OK, hoped) we'd gotten one.

It's why I asked earlier whether we thought the kill write-ups were GH's work exclusively, or whether he takes kill scene descriptions from the maf, they then being able to disguise the calling cards.

I dunno. I haven't read enough of GH's work to tell whether he is the sole author, or whether he rather, takes input from the bad guys.

Opinions? Esp. of you more frequent players?

Sasaki Kojiro

06-22-2008, 03:44

Hmmm.

Does the "tone" of this write-up indicate that two mafiosi are still in business? Or do we never get such a hint?

I've played a several GH games, but not all. It just strikes me that the first killer -- in such an extended conversation -- is distinct from the second (broken nose) killer.

That's funny. After I get lynched there's only one killer all of a sudden. When you get lynched it's back to two? Seamus, you were a mafioso along with Reenk. You must have sent in the wanax story which reenk forwarded to you. So you should know how it works.

Someone with free time should take a close look at kukri. Then factionheir and makaikhaan. Unfortunately lurking mafia would still unnoticed at this point...kage is a possibility there.

woad&fangs

06-22-2008, 03:54

ERG, Sasaki, I was going to trick him into revealing his partners identity:wall:

Seamus is almost certainly scum.

People who have a vote should focus on FactionHeir and Kukrikhan. Luckily, we've got enough lynches left that we can kill both of them if we have to.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-22-2008, 08:46

Soz for recent inactivity... an exam and two football games this weekend!

Last exam tomorrow so actual thinking apparatus will become available after that, studying atm.

Vote: FactionHeir, more likely than Kukri imo.

Looks like there are still two killers, as mentioned extended conversation vs. broken nose grunts.
Looks like they're trying to confuse us though by using each other's methodologies, (prior to a few nights ago, broken nose had the mercedes).

Again soz for limited input, and will be have more meaningful contributions tomorrow.

Beefy187

06-22-2008, 09:09

Vote: Sarathos

Same reason from the previous round.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ______________

I just went to BR thread and saw that Sarathos is going to be away for the next three days. He wont be able to defend him self so im going to unvote.

Unvote: Sarathos

In that case Ill have to go on shameless bandwagonning on FH

Vote: FH

Privateerkev

06-22-2008, 10:43

A.) People should watch and see who will be the third person on the FH bandwagon.

B.) If we're going to vote for FH, put a couple votes on Kukri as well.

C.) Try to keep them tied. I like GH's system of re-voting tied votes. More voting periods and a longer game is good for the town.

My gut says FH is innocent but it seems some people in here want to keep putting him on the chopping block.

FactionHeir

06-22-2008, 13:49

So I still haven't seen a reason to vote me other than for tha sake of voting me. I'd actually be interested to hear wht the voters' opinions are on the game so far and especially last night.

In fact, I's like to hear something from Beefy. All you've been on about in your previous posts is about Sarathos and his exams and other people's exams, but nothing really of value. Trying to stay especially low key here?

vote:Beefy

Now for the letters:

consiidering (added i)
Unfortnately (missing u)
suffciciency (added c)
commmissions (added m)
Extraordinaiire (aaded i)
stuffd (missing e)
occurrred (aaded r)

Someone else find any? Note that using spellcheckers may not find letters that are changed but result in the sentence making so sense, like changing not to rot or brunt to runt for instance, so we need to go through it manually as well.

Kagemusha

06-22-2008, 14:32

I still see this whole word game as nothing but a smoke screen created by mafia, thus im pretty sure that there is a mafioso or both of them playing it in order to come out looking helpful. Vote: FactionHeir

FactionHeir

06-22-2008, 14:48

Intereting you of all people should say this considering you have not made any useful or analytical post at all so far and almost all your posts are one or two lines:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=141405

You are staying way below the radar this game.

TinCow

06-22-2008, 14:53

A.) People should watch and see who will be the third person on the FH bandwagon.

I see no value in this. As far as I understand it, this 'rule' started out as a joke. Somehow people have started to think it is some kind of legitimate magic mafia detector. It's just as easy for a mafioso to be second, fourth, or even (and more likely) the person who starts the bandwagon in the first place.

Privateerkev

06-22-2008, 17:22

I see no value in this.

*shrug*

It's better than nothing.

What's your idea then?

*edit*

Did you stop to consider that maybe I picked the word "third" because there were already 2 people voting for FH? Mafia always look for the next good lynch target but sometimes they are afraid to start a bandwagon. So they lurk for part of the day and see who they can add a vote to without drawing too much attention.

Now there are 3 votes on FH so I am going to say to watch who the 4th will be.

Or is that going to be seen by you as also holding absolutely no value?

What will have value? What action by us, according to you, will hold value for the town?

Should we watch voting patterns at all?

(not picking a fight but just trying to generate discussion. I'm still waking up.)

:coffeenews:

(I'll even throw in a clown smiley to add a happy atmosphere to the game thread.)

:clown:

GeneralHankerchief

06-22-2008, 17:50

By the way, the next person to use a clown smiley will be insta-Wogged. If you're already dead, I shall dig up your corpse, bring you back to life, and kill you again myself. Don't think I'm kidding.

Seriously, no more of those things. I'm sick of seeing them.

Ferret

06-22-2008, 18:11

:clown:

TinCow

06-22-2008, 19:33

*shrug*

It's better than nothing.

What's your idea then?

Actual analysis of posting patters, write-ups, and other aspects that have potential 'meat' behind them.

Or is that going to be seen by you as also holding absolutely no value?

What will have value? What action by us, according to you, will hold value for the town?

Should we watch voting patterns at all?

Watching voting patterns is important, but an arbitrary FOS on whoever is the third person to vote someone is not a "voting pattern." That's just the kind of random, baseless reasoning that it's easy for the mafia to hide behind. The whole reason 'bandwagoning' is bad is because it allows people to vote without explaining why they are voting. The more people have to explain their actions, the harder it is on the mafia. Encouraging the '3rd on the bandwagon rule' is just rubber-stamping a system that helps the mafia. 3rd on the bandwagon should be an acceptable reason for voting only on day 1, when most people tend to be joking anyway. That's just the way I see it, sorry if I offended you. :shrug:

Andres

06-22-2008, 20:09

I don't think FH behaves differently then in my last small mafia, where he was townie.

Where's makaikhaan and why do you guys keep ignoring Kukri?

Privateerkev

06-22-2008, 20:40

Watching voting patterns is important, but an arbitrary FOS on whoever is the third person to vote someone is not a "voting pattern." That's just the kind of random, baseless reasoning that it's easy for the mafia to hide behind. The whole reason 'bandwagoning' is bad is because it allows people to vote without explaining why they are voting. The more people have to explain their actions, the harder it is on the mafia. Encouraging the '3rd on the bandwagon rule' is just rubber-stamping a system that helps the mafia. 3rd on the bandwagon should be an acceptable reason for voting only on day 1, when most people tend to be joking anyway.

The first vote on someone can be seen as random or meatballing. The second "may" be more of the same. But the third is more likely to be a mafia trying to make sure someone else gets lynched that turn. True, the ones after could be mafia as well but there is a point where there seems to be more scrutiny on the later voters. So, some mafia try to be the guy in the middle. Not the first, and not the last. Also, in smaller games, people tend to be lynched with only 2 votes so the 3rd vote ends up looking really suspicious. Especially if there are multiple people up for the lynch who are tied for 2 votes each.

That's just the way I see it, sorry if I offended you. :shrug:

You didn't offend me at all! I even risked being re-killed in order to get a clowny smiley out there. Now that GH is threatening to mutilate my corpse, I see I will have to find some other smiley to show that my post is good natured. :laugh4:

(I'll use the laughing one until GH declares that one off limits too.)

TinCow

06-22-2008, 23:05

Andres has proven to have very good instincts. Lynching Kukri might not be a bad idea.

GeneralHankerchief

06-23-2008, 00:51

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

GeneralHankerchief

06-23-2008, 01:21

The first day of voting was a distant memory, Chief of Police Beirut mused as he oversaw the procedures once again. Gone, most of all, aside from the people themselves, was the liveliness, the activity. Even removing the fact that the Frontroom, with tonight's execution, would be down to less than one third of its usual capacity, the people just seemed... distant. Inactive. Not really paying attention.

That, Beirut knew, would be the ultimate victory for the mafia.

So, he reasoned, it was time to take matters into his own hands. After collecting the (extremely light) ballot box, he went through it. Of course, the votes were few.

"All right," he said. "Hands up. Who all voted?"

Five hands rose.

"And how many of you voted for an actual person?"

One dropped.

"And how many of you voted for the person to be lynched, AKA FactionHeir?"

One more dropped.

"So," Beirut said, "Three total. Three out of five out of thirteen. This is pretty friggin' pathetic, if you ask me. These are your lives we're talking about here and you're content to sit back and do nothing. I mean, I've heard more from voices in the wind than you chumps. You want to sit back and get killed? Fine! I'll do it for you! FactionHeir, get up here!"

FH, who had been, for his part, fairly active in the voting process if not the voting itself, complied, hoping that Beirut's anger at the townspeople would somehow get him out of the execution. He stared at the Chief of Police, nervous but still trying to convey a willing and helpful expression.

"FactionHeir," Beirut said, "I want you to demonstrate what happens to people when they don't take part in the voting process. In case, in their obvious stupor, they've forgotten what has happened to their dear friends over this past week. What awaits us ALL if we don't start picking up the pace." He shoved a gun into FH's hands and whispered into his ear, pointing at various people in the audience.

FH gave Beirut a questioning look, but the Chief of Police simply nodded. FH shrugged, and without further pause he pointed and shot Caius, Tiberius of the Drake, and Kommodus in the head. All three went down, shocking the rest of the villagers. For the first time, FH spoke.

"There, Beirut," he said, voice slightly quivering. "I've done what you asked. I've helped, I hope, get the town to be more active in the voting process. Since I've done you a favor, do you think I could... you know... get off?"

Beirut simply laughed. "My dear FactionHeir, while they may have only done so in a whisper, the town has spoken. You do have the most votes." And before FH could say anything, or even groan, in reply, Beirut pulled an axe out, seemingly from nowhere, and decapitated his victim.

"I hope you've learned your lesson today," the Chief of Police said. "Time to go home."

Day 7 tally:

FactionHeir: 3 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Beefy187, Kagemusha) :skull:
Beefy187: 1 (FactionHeir)

Abstained: 1 (KukriKhan)
Didn't vote: Everyone else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (9)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
KukriKhan
Kagemusha
discovery1

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51
Caius
Tiberius of the Drake
Kommodus

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill
CountArach
Joe Monks

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
FactionHeir

PMs please. Elite Ferret is hereby banned from Mafia IX. There will be an announcement come the start of next day phase.

Privateerkev

06-23-2008, 01:28

Elite Ferret is hereby banned from Mafia IX.

o_O

While you are the GM, that seemed a tad heavy-handed to me. Just my opinion...

GeneralHankerchief

06-23-2008, 01:32

Don't mess with the:

https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1522/ironfistgz7.jpg

woad&fangs

06-23-2008, 01:49

I hope the announcment is that we won :beam:

Seamus Fermanagh

06-23-2008, 01:55

I'm just happy there will be a mafia IX, though I'll miss Ferret. VIII has been a tour-de-crap for me. I've managed to become the center of attention at the wrong moment and I am likely to have contributed to the town's death. 1 non-mafia lynch and the game ends. Sorry folks. :wall:

It's a virtual certainty that I was wrong about Kommo. I simply over-reacted to Sasaki's "why do you think me more guilty than he" post during the tie breaker and just tossed his name in the next voting session. Drew fire like nothing else and convinced everyone that I am not only scum, but dumb at it.

NOT my best game. :shame: 'kev was correct -- I'm a bad townie. Too many roles, too much worrying myself about trying to break my Holmes' profile. Didn't keep my eye on the prize.

FactionHeir

06-23-2008, 02:18

I hope the announcment is that we won :beam:

Unless "we" is the "mafia", it is doubtful.

That said, FoS: Everyone that voted me last turn for not discussing anything and not having brought anything to the debate table.

KukriKhan

06-23-2008, 04:33

So, arithmetic time:

Still alive: (9)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Beefy187
KukriKhan
Kagemusha
discovery1

1 lynch today = 8 survivors.
2 kills next night = 6 survivors.

6 survivors. Of whom 2 (at worst case) are killers.

1 next-day lynch = 5
2 next-day kills = 3. If 2 maf survive, = maf win.

So we town have 2 (at max) final chances to be correct in lynching maf.

The really quiet ones among the living have been:

Ichigo,
makaikhaan,
Kagemusha &
discovery1

Since you fellas have not been WoG'd, please explain your non-participation. Quickly. The Finger of Suspicion quivers, awaiting your response.

Beefy187

06-23-2008, 04:36

Whats happening? Its not over yet is it?

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-23-2008, 04:52

OK, Exams are over and now I can focus with almost full attention on the game. I feel I should give some opinions on the current state of the game.

With 9 people left in the town and at least one mafioso still in business (I believe that both are still alive, see later), things are looking dire for the town. Also, as there has not been a detective reveal as yet, I believe the detective to be dead. Logic would suggest that Tevash was the detective, as his death was spectacular, he was actively searching for the mafioso prior to his death in the write-up, and it was after his death that the riddle regarding the 'lost letters' was revealed.

It is my personal belief that two mafioso are still operating. The last-but-one write-up cast an element of doubt on this, and led to me accusing Sasaki posthumously (my apologies :bow:). However in the last write-up one mafioso had a long conversation while the other had a broken nose. Similarities to the beginning of the game anyone?

OK now to the people left alive.

Curio: Well of course I'm going to say that I'm innocent. Haven't been as active as in previous games due to my exams. They finished today and thus I am now able to contribute more.

Ichigo: Has been fairly inactive recently (lurking?), hasn't done anything to raise my suspicions (or anybody elses it seems), but hasn't contributed much. Will now go and look back on previous posts to find clues.

Makaikhann: Was active early but hasn't contributed at all for a while. More experianced players and American players may be able to correct me here but isn't Khann (from his profile) a resident of Iowa? Where according to the news (even here in Australia!) is subjected to massive flooding. I'd assume that he is having technical difficulties in connecting to the internet. Could be innocent or guilty from posts prior to this.

Sigurd Fafnesbane: Has kept a fairly low profile thus far, made contributions when pressured to do so, but hasn't had much to say. Suspicious imo, but not any more than anybody else at this stage. As we approach the endgame we need everybody to be as active as possible. Also apparently very good at playing mafioso, and has successfully avoided suspicion thus far (going according to precednt maybe?)

Sarathos: Has certainly contirbuted. Had useful contributions? Not so much imo. I'm also guilty of this so I can't talk. Could be either way but I'm leaning towards townie.

Beefy187: Seems to have a similar level of naiveity to me, thus I tend to lean towards innocent, again could be all a front, but I doubt it.

Kukrikhan: I don't see what all the fuss is about quite frankly. His analysis has been well-reasoned and thought through, and put across in a very reasonable way. Has contributed throughout the game and doesn't seem to have done anything particularly worthy of suspicion. Again leaning towards innocent, but with him being a relatively experianced player, will keep an eye on developments.

Kagemusha: Legend due to being one of the few mafioso to actually survive a GH game. Repeating the feat? Has been lurking, meaningful contributions have been few and far between. Worthy of suspicion imo, but only a possible.

Discovery 1: Was thrown by his aggressive style originally, and have yet to be convinced by the arguments that 'this is normal for him'. Less suspicious than others, but has been conspicuous in his asbence recently.

So thats my opinion of the remaining players. Further research and rereading is required on my part, but this is my current view off the top of my head. Feel free to dissect, or disagree with anything written here. I'm probably way off... :embarassed:

Privateerkev

06-23-2008, 04:56

'kev was correct -- I'm a bad townie.

When I say people are "bad townies", I mean that they seem to be doing hurtful things to the town. Or at least, not helping. Reading people's posts, I see many people doing things that are unhelpful, or downright harmful to the town's efforts. But there are only so many mafia. So, I basically call those people that I perceive as hurting the town, either intentionally or unintentionally, "bad townies". It is never a value judgment upon you as a player.

People are "bad townies" for all sorts of reasons. They could be bored, busy, fed-up, new, ect... Or, they could be mafia. Since we have to lynch every turn, and only a couple people are mafia, we need some way to rank lynch candidates. The label of "bad townie" is one of those possible labels. Please never think that I am calling you, or anyone, a "bad player". To me, "bad player" and "bad townie" are two entirely different things.

(I would add a clown smiley to balance out what has become a weighty thought-piece, but I would still like to keep open the option of playing in Mafia 9.)

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-23-2008, 06:13

OK, further investigation has revealed some interesting things. I will admit that I have not delved into everyone's murky past as yet. I have left those I suspect are innocent out of this in-depth searching as yet. I will finish this tomorrow.

However added to above comments...

Sigurd: Has actually made some useful contributions, they have been few and far between, but he seems to have put some real thought into them. His lack of activity could be down to RL. Not completely cleared in my book, but certainly less suspicious than I first thought.

Ichigo: Has in the course of the game not given one reasoned vote. Mostly seems to be meatballing and joke voting. On the other hand he gave an excuse for his limited activity, and admitted that he probably would be fairly inactive. Worthy of suspicion, but would like to hear more from him.

Makaikhann: Has not been active since the 16th of June, that's almost a week ago. I'd echo what I said before.

Discovery1: In the entirety of the game has made one semi-constructive post. For the rest, shameless bandwagonning, and joke votes are the order of the day. It's all well and good saying that this is normal, but at the very least, to steal PK's phrase Disco is a bad townie. I'd suggest maybe something more...

Kagemusha: Very little contribution. Early on accused Seamus due to the style of write-up. Later on voted Seamus again 'due to my earlier hunch' or something similar. Other than that all his posts have attacked those who are working on the word puzzle in the hope of finding the mafia.

If we lynched all those involved in the word game the town will win.

This says to me that he is trying to divert attention away from this method of finding the mafia, while at the same time running scared. I'm fully aware that other methods should also be utilised (I mean like this for example), but this behaviour has convinced me of his scumminess.

FOS: Kagemusha

I await your response.

Sarathos, Kukri and Beefy shall be subjected to similar enquiries tomorrow or wednesday, depending on time allowances.

discovery1

06-23-2008, 07:36

I love how a good chunk of the people still alive don't care at all. Me, Kage, and ichi. Heaven forbid the chat room goons vote as a block. hmmmm.....

Hell our complete and utter lack of participation is a sign of not being mafia. After all, mafia would probably care enough to participate, don't you agree Gaius Scribonius Curio?

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-23-2008, 08:12

And an aggressive and completely off-the-point reply...

...it's as I suspected.

Yes, mafiosi would care enough about the game to participate on one level, (ie: via kills and stuff). In that I am in agreement with you. However talking too much is just as worthy of suspicion as talking to little. There is no definitive way to avoid suspicion. Everyone has their own style. Perhaps this is yours?

My point is that lack of participation results in stagnation of discussion, limited posts (and so less analysis), and WoGs. Joke votes and hopping on whatever bandwagon rolls through town is completely unhelpful to the town. Voting without reasoning is not helpful to the town.

Discussion, analysis, and more discussion and more analysis is the way to root out the Mafia. You may not be a mafioso, but I have to say that from my point of view you aren't helping, and are therefore more suspicious than those who are.

Should this change then my opinion of your guilt may change, as it is I consider you suspicious.

Andres

06-23-2008, 08:50

I love how a good chunk of the people still alive don't care at all. Me, Kage, and ichi. Heaven forbid the chat room goons vote as a block. hmmmm.....

If you don't care at all, then why did you guys bother to sign up? And why did you bother to post now? To avoid the WoG? Or are you lying?

Hell our complete and utter lack of participation is a sign of not being mafia.

It is? But you are not showing a complete lack of participation, you are participating right now... You participated enough to avoid the WoG. Those in GH's WoG list are the ones who are guilty of "complete and utter lack of participation".

So that's the second lie in that post.

After all, mafia would probably care enough to participate, don't you agree Gaius Scribonius Curio?

WIFOM.

2 lies + 1 WIFOM in one post :bow:

What are your thoughts on Kukrikhan?

Kagemusha

06-23-2008, 11:20

FactionHeir

06-23-2008, 11:32

I think the town should lynch Kage and disco.

Ferret

06-23-2008, 11:32

Someone doesn't have a sense of humour.... :tongue3:

Oh well I prefer themed mafia anyway. :beam:

Beefy187

06-23-2008, 12:07

As i have explained before. During few rounds of the game i have not really been physically anywhere near internet. I just had three weeks of vacation and i apologize if my participation has not been large enough. Now to the game. I would really like to ask what should have counted as participation? Me asking from player to player whether they are mafia or not?
To be honest i dont see any help for the town, me doing that.
What i have explained before is that i dont believe that the word puzzle has anything helpful for the town in it. What i do think is that in matter of fact, it has been just created by mafia to misguide our attention. If you look at my voting pattern, you can see that i have been voting players, whom i think could come up with such a plan, who might have interest for such a little game inside the game. According to that idea, i supect the remaining mafia to be one of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Makaikhaan or Kukrikhan, in that order. Ofcourse i might be wrong, but so could anybody else. So according to that logic.

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

I don't see the point of lynching player whos contributing by analyzing rather then others whos not so contributing. I dont think your voting Gaius Scribonius just because he FOSed you but there is better voting candidates then Gaius.

My top suspects are Sigurd and Kage. Sigurd because he doesnt have a alibi and also because he normally dies early. Surviving this far is rather suspicious. Yea i know my reasoning sucks

Also Kage. Although you have a reason of being inactive that doesn't really clear your suspicion. You did make some silly votes (so did I but im beefy) Also your fierce reputation of being the only GH mafia surviver scares me. (Heh another stupid reasoning)

So therefore im going to vote

Vote:Kagemusha

Btw what did you do EF?

GeneralHankerchief

06-23-2008, 13:47

Guys, don't forget that it's night (i.e. no voting).

Sigurd

06-23-2008, 13:59

We could probably put Kage and Beefy on our list of innocents. They obviously don't know what phase we are at. Mafia would know and it is not totally out of character for them to make such a mistake.
Kage has been absent which can be read in his profile messages.

Who are the last Mafios(o)i?
This night might give a few answers. I think the mafia has been deliberate in who they have chosen to remain in the end game.

I am really wondering what the promised twist is... I think GH got enough players for it to be implemented.

[edit]: GH got here first...

TinCow

06-23-2008, 14:08

We could probably put Kage and Beefy on our list of innocents. They obviously don't know what phase we are at. Mafia would know and it is not totally out of character for them to make such a mistake.
Kage has been absent which can be read in his profile messages.

This is a very good point. The mafia have done a very good job so far in remaining hidden, and I doubt they would make careless errors like this. I think it's far more likely that they are putting extra effort into the game now that they are within reach of victory. Perhaps just the kind of excessive extra effort that Gaius Scribonius Curio has just given us?

Ferret

06-23-2008, 18:54

Btw what did you do EF?

I made this post: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1952634&postcount=909

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-24-2008, 01:42

As I've mentioned the whole way through, I've been in my exam week. My last exam was yesterday morning my time, thus my activity and analysis level has shot up to what it would have been all along.

@ Tincow: It's very easy for a mafioso to pretend they don't know what phase it is. While this seems to be a genuine mistake, it could very well be delibrate.

I also don't like the way Disco is lying to protect himself, and it is my considered opinion that Kage is trying to divert attention away from one possible method of mafia hunting (ie: the letter riddle). Just because it may not work doesn't mean we shouldn't pay it any attention.

GeneralHankerchief

06-24-2008, 01:58

Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Massive thunderheads drifted about overhead. Very soon there would be noise. It had already begun to pour, adding to the overall dreary, bleak atmosphere.

Beefy187 was by now very concerned with all the murder and lynchings in the Kingdom of Peace and Love, but after being cooped up in his house for over a week watching the same movies over and over, he decided to do what had traditionally been done for decades on these kinds of rainy days: risk going to the video store.

Upon entering he was somewhat surprised to see the counter manned by an impeccably dressed man in a fedora and trenchcoat. The man looked up, spotting Beefy.

"Excellent day, isn't it," he said. "The sun's out, the birds are singing, and there's not a cloud in the sky. It's days like these that make you glad to be alive."

"Uh... what?" Beefy asked. "I just came from outdoors and it was pouring rain. I think it was starting to thunder, too."

"Oh, you mean outside," said the man, still smiling. His unwavering grin was beginning to scare Beefy. "No, I was quoting a line from a movie I had just been watching before you entered. So, how may I help you?"

"Uh, um, I'd like to rent a movie..." replied Beefy, "...do you have anything to recommend? Given the current situation, something about crime would be appropriate, but preferably something with a good ending. Maybe The Untouchables."

The man's smile never wavered. "The Untouchables, eh? So not a classic like, oh I don't know, The Godfather? That really is an excellent movie, well-worked, fantastically shot, wonderful storyline, and on top of that, the acting really is superb.'

Somewhat thrown by the grinning man's enthusiasm, Beefy tried to find the words to disillusion him. "Yes, well, I... ah, you see, I've seen that one before. Now, The Untouchables, well, that one, I haven't yet, and..."

His voice trailed off with the clerk still watching him. When Beefy finally went silent, the clerk entered back into the conversation. "Another thing I like about The Godfather is the realism present that you just don't see in The Untouchables."

"What's that?" Beefy asked.

"The mafia wins." Dumbfounded, Beefy watched the man draw a revolver from his pocket and fire, once. As Beefy's lifeless body hit the floor the man gave a wry smile and drew a Cuban cigar from his pocket, lit it, and walked slowly from the scene, out into the rain.

In the same rain and thunder, the black Mercedes drove on, its shiny new windshield being wiped for the first time in the deluge. Instead of searching the town for persons, the driver had a new tactic. Since there were so few townspeople left, it would be fruitless to search for them at random. So instead, the mafioso had a print-out of the home address of everyone who was still alive.

Taking the paper in his hands, the mafioso ran down the list with one finger and then paused at a particular name. Yes, that one would do... it was close by, as well.

He turned onto his soon-to-be victim's street, and turned off the headlights. In the pouring rain, his black Mercedes would be nearly invisible. A flash of lightning illuminated the addresses, which was all the mafioso needed. After another flash had confirmed that he had the right house, the mafioso stepped out into the rain, his trusty shotgun in hand.

He strode up to the front door, already dripping wet, and prepared to kick it in. Instead, however, he found the door flying back TOWARD him, crushing his already-broken nose. Screaming and cursing unintelligibly, he dropped the shotgun as both hands went to his poor, tortured nose.

Out of the rain stepped Sigurd Fafnesbane, shirtless, long hair flowing. He was gripping a very long axe and smiling.

"So, we meet at last," Sigurd said. "You have come to my house to kill me, but it will not be that easy. You will have to earn this kill. We shall duel, as in the old style. Defend yourself!"

"I habe no weapod," the mafioso said, temporarily stopping Sigurd.

"Your weapon is lying on the ground," Sigurd said. "If I were you, I'd make an attempt to get it, to even the odds. However, this is not going to - HAPPEN!" He swung his axe, aiming for the mafioso's neck. He only hit air, however, as the mafioso dropped to the ground to avoid the blow.

The mafioso, whose clothes were already soaking due to all the rain and the blood pouring out of his nose, now began rolling on the grass to avoid Sigurd's downward chops. His first roll was out of sheer survival, missing the axe by a hair, but he quickly realized that he could strategize his rolls. His next two dodges, both far too close for comfort, moved him closer to the shotgun, which was now almost within reach...

A quick, unexpected chop from Sigurd nixed that idea, blocking the mafioso from his shotgun and also catching his suitjacket. Sigurd, thinking he had pinned his victim, drew a second, smaller axe and prepared to use it but the mafioso had simply rolled out of his suitjacket, leaving him only in his shirt and tie, both of which were soaked.

His tie. Working furiously, he undid the knot, and with one ferocious yank got it out of his collar. Scrambling backwards, tie in hand, the mafioso worked to put some more distance between himself and Sigurd.

"Eben iv I die, you'll ged pneumodiub ad die frob dat," he said.

"Maybe I will," said Sigurd, who had left the first axe pinned to the suitjacket and was using the smaller one, "But at least I'll have taken you with me."

He drew back his axe and prepared to swing once again. However, this time the mafioso was prepared. He drew his tie and cracked it forward like a whip. Hooking around Sigurd's axe, the tie yanked it from his hands and sent it harmlessly flying far away from the battle. Sigurd had a slightly surprised look on his face but recovered quickly, turning around and making for the first axe.

The mafioso cracked his tie again, this time wrapping around Sigurd's leg. The mafioso pulled, sending Sigurd face-first into the ground, still without a weapon. Satisfied, he began crawling, scrambling, anything, moving his body as fast as he could toward the shotgun, now without fear of being turned into mafioso sushi.

Sigurd, wiping his eyes free of mud, glanced around and gasped. He saw what the mafioso was doing, so his trajectory. He had to get... there... first...

It would have been a footrace, but both participants were down on all fours, moving as fast as they could through the muck that was formerly a well-kept lawn to the shotgun. Sigurd was more physically fit and was moving faster, but the mafioso was closer and had the better angle...

The mafioso got his hands on the gun a split second before Sigurd did, which was just enough time for him to turn around and club Sigurd in the face without. The viking warrior was sent sprawling, lying spread-eagled on the ground, now bleeding in the face himself. The mafioso, meanwhile, calmly got up, pumped his gun, and blasted Sigurd in the chest. Touching his wreck of a nose, the mafioso paused, and then for good measure, shot Sigurd in the head.

"You know," he said to the corpse, "if you had cobe out the door wib a gud, I would habe been dead. Sobetides you should just shoot."

He walked back to the Mercedes and drove off.

Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut gathered all the remaining villagers into the town square in order to make an announcement.

"Gentlemen," he began, "There obviously aren't that many more of us. Our successes against the mafia, to put it one way, have sorely been lacking. You have to get this one right!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (7)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
KukriKhan
Kagemusha
discovery1

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51
Caius
Tiberius of the Drake
Kommodus

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill
CountArach
Joe Monks
Beefy187
Sigurd Fafnesbane

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
FactionHeir

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-24-2008, 02:17

woad&fangs

06-24-2008, 02:23

If you read the writeup carefully you'll notice there is only one mafioso. Of course, GH's writeups should always be taken with a pinch of salt.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-24-2008, 02:31

???

It's possible I suppose, but the first kill involved the mafioso talking a lot, without the obstruction of a broken nose. The second mafioso, had his nose rebroken. GH indicates this here:

Instead, however, he found the door flying back TOWARD him, crushing his already broken nose

This to me indicates that the two kills are by two seperate mafioso. Plus its always best to assume the worst, that way, we won't have any premature thoughts of victory.

TinCow

06-24-2008, 02:37

I recommend a lynch of Curio. Same reason as I gave a few posts up.

woad&fangs

06-24-2008, 02:37

oops, I misread it. But still, pinch of salt and all that.

Kagemusha

06-24-2008, 02:38

From the above, again two distinct styles. 'Broken Nose' and 'Smooth talker'.

However there has been at least one night phase where both kills were similar. Where in fact there was no way of knowing (from the write-up) that there were two different mafiosi left in operation. Over the past few 'nights', 'smooth talker' seems to have been borrowing 'broken nose's' style and equipment, perhaps in the hope that we wouldn't notice that they were both still alive.

This to me indicates a certain amount of co-operation between the mafiosi.

Kagemusha and Discovery1 certainly seem very happy to stand up for each other. In addition, as soon as I put out my in-depth thoughts, and reasoned opinions, both of them jump on me, seemingly in tandem!

As such I'm going to have to Vote: Kagemusha and recommend that Discovery1 is watched too.

There are two great errors in your analysis. First show me a post where i have stood for discovery1? In matter of fact i havent mentioned disco even once through out the game. Second, i never said that we should not pay any attention the word game,like you described, in matter of fact i have been saying that we will find the mafia by monitoring the word game. The thing is just that i dont think we find the mafiosi by getting hints from the game, but monitoring actually who are playing the game.
It seems obvious that you are working hard to create link between myself and discovery1, to be honest i think that is only because you are trying to avoid attention yourself. So Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Privateerkev

06-24-2008, 02:43

Ichigo
discovery1
Sarathos

These three have basically been goof-offs through the whole game. My guess is the mafia kept them around in order to have lynch bait. Ignore these three for now.

makaikhaan

He was a prime suspect of mine but it seems he has been gone a lot. Probably not mafia but kept alive in order to direct suspicion on him later.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

I got to know his style fairly well in Taormina. My gut says he is innocent. He is acting just like the townie he was in the other game.

KukriKhan
Kagemusha

These two worry me. All of a sudden Kag is more active. And Kukri is staying under the radar just enough. Plus they both have extreme positions on the letters. Kag is very anti-letter and Kukri spends tons of time on them. I don't know. It's not much but it's just a feeling from watching them this game. I've never played with Kag in a mafia game but I hear he's good. He has kept a very low profile. Kukri is a lot more active than in Taormina.

Crazed Rabbit

06-24-2008, 02:43

Pressure needs to be put on Makaikhaan and Kukri, but mostly Makai.

EDIT: Going to do another read-through.

CR

Csargo

06-24-2008, 02:46

Vote:khaan

It's obviously khaan

woad&fangs

06-24-2008, 02:47

If khaan hasn't been on since the 16th then I doubt it is him.

Crazed Rabbit

06-24-2008, 02:50

Why obviously?
:inquisitive:

CR

Csargo

06-24-2008, 02:53

God told me

GeneralHankerchief

06-24-2008, 03:02

Forgot to make the announcement in the kill post.

Mafia VIII has officially entered the Endgame stage. This means that voting "abstain" is no longer allowed. You MUST vote for someone or it will not be counted as a "no vote". Enough "no votes" and you get Wogged, and yes, the threat of a Wogging is still there.

Crazed Rabbit

06-24-2008, 03:12

God told me

Why shouldn't we lynch you instead? You're pulling jokes votes in "the endgame".

CR

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-24-2008, 03:17

OK, a fair bit seems to have been said while I was off gathering evidence. Therefore I am only (for now) going to reply to this post.

There are two great errors in your analysis. First show me a post where i have stood for discovery1? In matter of fact i havent mentioned disco even once through out the game. Second, i never said that we should not pay any attention the word game,like you described, in matter of fact i have been saying that we will find the mafia by monitoring the word game. The thing is just that i dont think we find the mafiosi by getting hints from the game, but monitoring actually who are playing the game.
It seems obvious that you are working hard to create link between myself and discovery1, to be honest i think that is only because you are trying to avoid attention yourself. So Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Firstly, I never said that you sticking up for Disco directly, if I did I'm sorry for not being more clear. I meant that by your behaviour (similar in nature to his atm) you are both creating a smokescreen for each other by jumping on me. There is also the matter of this post (926) by Discovery1:

I love how a good chunk of people still alive don't care at all. Me, Kage and ichi.

Even if you haven't been trying to defend him, Discovery1, has certainly been trying to cover for you, Kagemusha.

I, and the rest of the collective town, are still waiting on a reply from Discovery1, to Andres' (who do I need to remind people is innocent, so no hidden agenda, merely a desire to see the town victorious) later post (928). The most important bit being:

2 lies + 1 WIFOM in one post :bow:

Do you have no explanation for this Discovery1?

As to the second part...

I've dregded up a number of your previous posts that I believe will contradict the bolded statement above.

Post 513:
Or maybe the code gives us nothing in order to get the mafia, just a nice distraction/puzzle?

Post 857:
I'm pretty sure that once all the word game players have been lynched it will be a townie victory :smash:

Post 904:
I still see this whole word game as nothing but a smoke screen created by mafia, thus I'm pretty sure that there is a mafioso or both of them playing it in order to come out looking helpful. Vote:FactionHeir

That's three!

I also take issue with this (Post 929):

If you look at my voting pattern, you can see that i have been voting players, whom i think could come up with such a plan, who light have interest for such a little game inside the game.

In the entireity of the game, you Kagemusha have voted for two people, Seamus, and myself. Seamus may have such an interest, but one vote cannot be the basis for your case against me. And while I'm flattered that you think I could come up with something on such a grand scale, those who know me I'm sure would quite readily back when I say I'm too inept and heavy-handed to have done so.

Finally, you say that I'm trying to create a link between yourself, Kagemusha and Discovery1? And that I am doing this to draw attention away from myself? Now I'm aware that this may be WIFOM, but surely logic dictates that a mafioso would not be so blatant in analysing, and accusing players when their victory is in the bag?

Kagemusha

06-24-2008, 03:52

OK, a fair bit seems to have been said while I was off gathering evidence. Therefore I am only (for now) going to reply to this post.

Firstly, I never said that you sticking up for Disco directly, if I did I'm sorry for not being more clear. I meant that by your behaviour (similar in nature to his atm) you are both creating a smokescreen for each other by jumping on me. There is also the matter of this post (926) by Discovery1:

Even if you haven't been trying to defend him, Discovery1, has certainly been trying to cover for you, Kagemusha.

I, and the rest of the collective town, are still waiting on a reply from Discovery1, to Andres' (who do I need to remind people is innocent, so no hidden agenda, merely a desire to see the town victorious) later post (928). The most important bit being:

Do you have no explanation for this Discovery1?

As to the second part...

I've dregded up a number of your previous posts that I believe will contradict the bolded statement above.

Post 513:

Post 857:

Post 904:

That's three!

I also take issue with this (Post 929):

In the entireity of the game, you Kagemusha have voted for two people, Seamus, and myself. Seamus may have such an interest, but one vote cannot be the basis for your case against me. And while I'm flattered that you think I could come up with something on such a grand scale, those who know me I'm sure would quite readily back when I say I'm too inept and heavy-handed to have done so.

Finally, you say that I'm trying to create a link between yourself, Kagemusha and Discovery1? And that I am doing this to draw attention away from myself? Now I'm aware that this may be WIFOM, but surely logic dictates that a mafioso would not be so blatant in analysing, and accusing players when their victory is in the bag?

Semantics. You said in your earlier post before: "Kagemusha and Discovery1 certainly seem very happy to stand up for each other" Now if that is not direct accusation, i dont know what is. The problem being that i havent even mentioned disco earlier during the game.

More semantics about my second statement. What is so unclear about that statement. I cant see anything in those posts that somehow disagree with my previous statement that the word game itself is not important but monitoring the players playing it. Also yet you made another third error by claiming i havent voted anyone else then Seamus and you in this game, when in fact i voted for FactionHeir also.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-24-2008, 04:06

So you also believe FactionHeir would be into thinking up such a dastardly scheme??? I'm sorry, I missed that vote and that is an honest mistake.

However with regards to Disco and you. There are more covert ways of standing up for someone other than blatantly saying I believe he is innocent, or something similar. This you collectively have utilised by trying to shift the guilt onto the person who has gathered evidence against both you and Disco. That you are skilled at doing this is obvious. As has been mentioned before, you are one of a very small number of mafioso to actually survive a GH style game.

With the second point, if you are actively saying that anyone who is involved in the word game is worthy of suspicion and we (as a town) should be suspicious of these people, this automatically means that less people are going to involve themselves in the letter search. This in turn means that it ceases to be a viable alternative tactic, because people will be unwilling to utilise it. In fact if you are indeed a townie, your actions may have the mafiosi to abandon the 'word game' for fear of being caught. At best, poor reasoning on your part, at worst the delibrate subversion of the town's resources by a rampant mafioso.

Privateerkev

06-24-2008, 04:34

Sasaki Kojiro

06-24-2008, 04:37

The write up clearly implies that there are 2 mafia alive (this is our last chance etc).

Kagemusha MUST be lynched. He is definitely mafia.

Privateerkev

06-24-2008, 04:40

All of a sudden Kag is very aggressive. Very out of character when compared to his early game actions (or non-actions). He's picking on Curio for what I see as non-issues.

I have to concur with Sasaki. I think Kag is mafia. He did miss 3 voting periods in a row but he could have made arrangements with GH to get his orders in.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

06-24-2008, 04:42

OK, I'm off to work in a minute. Due to that and football commitments, I won't be online again until after the vote has been taken in all probability.

As such I'd exhort everyone who is left alive to think every carefully about their vote, we can't afford to stuff up here!

Personally I think Kagemusha is Mafia, most likely with Disco as his partner.

See you all tomorrow morning (my time).

Privateerkev

06-24-2008, 04:49

I would guess Kukri is his partner.

Only 3 out of the 7 people still alive voted in D7. Curio, Kag, and Kukri. Mafia have to know that in the later stages, they'll get nailed for not voting. Khaan has been gone for a week. And Ichigo, Sarathos, and Discover have all been clowning around for the whole game.

So if Kag is mafia, I doubt Curio is his scum-buddy. Kag is pushing him too hard. It's probably the quiet Kukri.

Beefy187

06-24-2008, 04:49

Yay I proved my self innocent:sweatdrop:

Good luck to remaining fellow townies and I encourage you all to be active.

I think Sarathos and Makaikhaan are innocent. Sarathos wont be away if he is mafia and Makai seems to have a reason for his absence

Im worried about Ichigos sudden appearance and his behavior. It looks like Ichigo being him self but it also could be cunning act.

Personally I dont think it is Curio or Kage but if I have to chose one of them it would be Kage.

We got 7 player 1 lynch plus 2 kills means 4 player left. If what W&F said is right then we got 2 more chances to get it right. But in that case we have to avoid the wogs.

Csargo

06-24-2008, 06:12

Why shouldn't we lynch you instead? You're pulling jokes votes in "the endgame".

CR

How could you? Unless someone can prove khaan hasn't been online the last couple of days, I see no reason to unvote him. :shrug:

FactionHeir

06-24-2008, 12:11

Well lynch Kage first and then you can figure out the last mafioso next round.

Kagemusha

06-24-2008, 13:30

KukriKhan

06-24-2008, 13:40

Yeah, two maf's still standing - that's clear from the write-up. Damn. My apologies to Sigurd for my earlier suspicion of him, and the other guys I voted to lynch. Obviously, after 9 attempts (7 actual binding votes), we've failed to find the bad guys.

I'm tempted to vote off the goofs, just because I don't want to be laughed at in the end ("HAHA! All we did was lay low all game, and it tricked you all! Again!"). But Kage's sudden aggression at this stage of the game, and semantics defense, demand scrutiny.

If he's NOT mafia, yet gets so worked up by a weak FoS by Gaius, then he's a pretty thin-skinned townie. And we all know he's far from thin-skinned, and usually a very cagey player.

Therefore, with a jaundiced eye remaining on Ichigo, I

vote: Kagemusha

and keep my fingers crossed that we've nailed a baddie.

p.s. Great write-up GH! For a few moments, I thought I was back in "Midgard".

FactionHeir

06-24-2008, 13:41

First its complained that i dont participate enough and once i participate, im labeled as mafia because im too aggressive?:laugh4: If thinking outside the box makes me mafia, thats pretty weird. I think that im alive still because im such a good lynch bait. You should think that if i have been such a successful mafia before, why i would suddenly in this game place myself in danger by coming out aggressive against certain player. Would that be good mafia tactics?

Yes it would, because people wouldn't expect it of you, allowing you to get away with it.

The reason why im aggressive is to catch the mafia, because we are running out of time.My vote sticks, if Makaikhaan, indeed has been away. I suspect the remaining mafia is either Gaius Scribonius Curio , Kukri or both of them.

So you suspect someone else of being mafia but vote an inactive player instead? How interesting.... :inquisitive:
Pointing the finger at Kurki is just another attempt at drawing suspicion on someone else who some others consider suspicious and thus saving your neck.

Andres

06-24-2008, 13:41

Unless someone can prove khaan hasn't been online the last couple of days, I see no reason to unvote him

makaikhaan hasn't posted for a couple of days now...

You could have checked that for yourself :inquisitive:

'khaan is probably about to get WoG'ed at the moment.

What do you think about Kukrikhan and discovery1, Ichigo?

And Kage was away from the Org during a couple of days. I saw him announcing that at least once.

And as for Kage being aggressive, that isn't out of character for him. He usually lurks until the end and when pressured becomes "aggressive". I've seen him acting like this before, in Mafia VI, where he was a townie.

1) Kukri, 2) disco and 3) Ichigo are my prime suspects, in no particular order.

Privateerkev

06-24-2008, 14:49

How could you? Unless someone can prove khaan hasn't been online the last couple of days, I see no reason to unvote him. :shrug:

He's on invisible mode so we can't see when he was last online. And you should know that. But he hasn't posted in EIGHT days. This suggests that he has been away. He'll probably get WoG'd soon. If he doesn't, then we can vote for him.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=141881

Sigurd

06-24-2008, 15:06

p.s. Great write-up GH! For a few moments, I thought I was back in "Midgard".
Is this a little ... whoops I gave away that I am a Mafioso?
So you are the culprit with a broken nose!!! :stare:

I doubt that the writeup will reveal if there are one or two mafiosi left. I might be a little forgetful, but have we ever discerned anything from GH's write-ups before? One of the main powers of the mafia in the traditional games are the uncertainty of how many Mafiosi there are left. Even if there were one mafioso left I still think there would be a guy in a trench coat and another with a broken nose.

Another point is the so-called absence alibi. You don't need to be active to kill every night. Not in these games. As long as you have a partner that is active and sends in two names, you can spend several days off the org.

When I suggested Kage and Beefy as innocents, I was wondering what the mafia would do. I know as long as I am alive, it takes really no effort to get paranoid townies to vote for my lynch.
Since they picked me instead of Kage, they think Kage is more suspicious. Or Kage is Mafia. :thinking:

7 players left and only two of them made a real vote last round. It bodes ill for the town since their voting capacity is rather weak.

Privateerkev

06-24-2008, 15:20

Seamus Fermanagh

06-24-2008, 15:22

Kukri and Kage both voted for murder victims in earlier rounds, including two successive votes by Kukri for the absent Mith. Kukri led the charge on "lets get the lurkers."

We cannot be sure if there is one mafioso or two mafiosi. Write-up implies the latter, but as Sasaki and Sigurd have noted, this is not an absolute in a GH game.

Kukri's posting is decidedly different from that in other games. He was terse and focused on lurkers at the outset; reveled in wordgames during the middle; and is now and only now involved in the accusations process.

Kage was a semi-lurker for a long time. He's harder to read here than typical, but closer to his baseline style.

Curio is relatively new to me, so I have less sense of his style. He is being voluminous now that he is under the gun. This response to threat, however, is common in mafiosi and townies alike. Hard to read anything from that alone.

Of course, these are just the thoughts of a lynchee.

Craterus

06-24-2008, 18:39

Kage and Kukri. Gotta be one of those two. Or both.

Khaan is a third suspect but the least serious for me.

TinCow

06-24-2008, 19:34

Kage and Kukri. Gotta be one of those two. Or both.

It's unlikely to be both, since Kukri is currently voting for Kage. With so few voters left, it would be risky for the mafia to vote for each other. This is, of course, assuming that Kukri keeps his vote where it is for the rest of the phase. If he changes it before the end, it could have been a (risky) ploy from the beginning.

Kagemusha

06-24-2008, 20:06

Well lets all hope that there is only one mafia member left, because if there are two, after you have lynched me, it will be practically game over for the town. Im a townie and it doesnt warm much my heart if i can tell you guys after the game that i told you so, when my death was the beginning of the end to the town. But i dont have anything to prove that im innocent, so there is no sense trying to defend myself further.

woad&fangs

06-24-2008, 20:40

Kukrikhan is a better lynch than Kagemusha.

Seamus Fermanagh

06-24-2008, 23:23

Kukrikhan is a better lynch than Kagemusha.

For what it is worth, I am inclined to agree.

Csargo

06-25-2008, 01:09

Unvote:khaan, Vote:Kukri

Privateerkev

06-25-2008, 01:50

If Kukri and Curio are mafia, then Ichigo and Kag need to vote together. Splitting your votes among the two won't help.

What would help is if the other three people get here and vote.

Without them, the best we can hope for is to force a tie which will cause for a new voting session.

More voting sessions are good for the town. Forces the mafia to keep exposing themselves.

GeneralHankerchief

06-25-2008, 02:10

Voting will close in 20 minutes.

KukriKhan

06-25-2008, 02:26

Unvote: Kage
vote: Curio

woad&fangs

06-25-2008, 02:32

reasons are always nice

GeneralHankerchief

06-25-2008, 02:32

Voting over.

Stand by for the execution.

(of course the database had to hit a bump at the exact 20-minute mark :furious3:)

KukriKhan

06-25-2008, 02:43

reasons are always nice

p-Kev's table & Sigurd's reasoning, essentially. Didn't have time to explain with the deadline looming, and me just now returned home from work.

GeneralHankerchief

06-25-2008, 03:12

Thirty-eight little townies standing in a line,
Two got killed to start this rhyme;
Thirty-six little townies all terrified,
They chose one of them to be buried alive.

Thirty-five little townies not ready to die,
Two more did so though with ducks nearby;
Thirty-three little townies ready to lynch a rat,
Beirut did "Sparta" and that was that.

Thirty-two little townies planting a grove,
One smoked and the other drove;
Thirty little townies needing to think,
They banded together and lynched peverpink.

Twenty-nine little townies preparing for the worst,
But two of them still went off in a hearse;
Twenty-seven little townies living in a rut,
TinCow was lynched and then he went nuts.

Nineteen little townies, all of them scared,
One was eaten and one was snared;
Seventeen little townies feeling the pinch,
Sasaki mouthed off and got his standard lynch.

Sixteen little townies, two reading books,
Their plans were flawed and thus they got cooked;
Fourteen little townies feeling quite trapped,
They lynched Seamus, who died in a snap.

Thirteen little townies all ready to scream,
Two more died, one via ice cream;
Eleven little townies, some unable to care,
They all died along with FactionHeir.

Nine little townies out in the rain,
Beefy and Sigurd fell in extreme pain;
Seven little townies in quite a big fix,
They lynched Curio and then there were six.

Six little townies couldn't take it anymore,
Only so hoping they wouldn't be four.

Day 8 tally:
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 2 (Kagemusha, KukriKhan) :skull:
Kagemusha: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
KukriKhan: 1 (Ichigo)

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Still alive: (6)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Sarathos
KukriKhan
Kagemusha
discovery1

Suicide/Wrath of God:
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Mithrandir
Fenring
Lord Winter
georgeman51
Caius
Tiberius of the Drake
Kommodus

Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Rythmic
Quintus.J.Cicero
shlin28
RoadKill
CountArach
Joe Monks
Beefy187
Sigurd Fafnesbane

Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
TinCow
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
FactionHeir
Gaius Scribonius Curio