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GeneralHankerchief
08-13-2008, 23:59
Heimdall also lost his night actions when he revealed. Having played Midgard 1, you should know that.
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Unlike you, I haven't read the thread in over a year (aside to skim for that one Holmgang description), so excuse me if my memory's a bit rusty. Thanks for the information though - I retract my last statement.
-edit- Again!!!
Indeedly, I still can't believe you got the town to trust someone who's role was Hades.:laugh4: And now they're considering trusting someone who's role is Loki? :no:
Actually, I personally though that the name Hades helped me in that situation, since the town were demons and other denizens of the Underworld, and the mafia were Angels of various types. How could Hades NOT be on the Underworld side? It's not like my role was Lucifer... :laugh4:
You are right that they are stalling, though. I grow tired of waiting for a response when I know what my vote will be anyway.
Vote: glyphz
Please feel free to try and convince me, glyphz, for it would entertain me greatly. :2thumbsup:
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:07
Actually, I personally though that the name Hades helped me in that situation, since the town were demons and other denizens of the Underworld, and the mafia were Angels of various types. How could Hades NOT be on the Underworld side? It's not like my role was Lucifer... :laugh4:
You are right that they are stalling, though. I grow tired of waiting for a response when I know what my vote will be anyway.
Vote: glyphz
Please feel free to try and convince me, glyphz, for it would entertain me greatly. :2thumbsup:
Except for that bit about how Hades was the King of the Netherworld, and in my game, there was kinda another ruler previously in place. Yah, I can just imagine Hades being a nice, subservient minion to another ruler. :laugh4:
EDIT: Point is, DON'T TRUST ANYONE WHO ISN'T ABSOLUTELY, CLEARLY PRO-TOWN. :smash:
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 00:09
10 brownie points says I can keep Loki protown. Glyphz isn't TC of Sasaki. Plus we know what we are dealing with.
~Woarm "The Fangs"
Except for that bit about how Hades was the King of the Netherworld, and in my game, there was kinda another ruler previously in place. Yah, I can just imagine Hades being a nice, subservient minion to another ruler. :laugh4:
True, but I think most people stopped thinking when they saw the name. Plus, Cerberus was a doctor and clearly pro-town and if he was, surely Cerberus' master had to be as well.
But you do have a point. I was trusted because I proved that I could help the town. I therefore propose a deal for glyphz: bring two dead townies back to life and I will remove my lynch vote.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:11
10 brownie points says I can keep Loki protown. Glyphz isn't TC of Sasaki. Plus we know what we are dealing with.
~Woarm "The Fangs"
Ten brownie points to me when you turn out to be Loki's minion, and before we know it, Loki's taken control over all of Midgard and Valhalla.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 00:11
Maybe Glyphz should post his role pm (if he hasn't already; too many pages to check)? The way things are already, it looks like he'll be either lynched or holmganged.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:13
True, but I think most people stopped thinking when they saw the name. Plus, Cerberus was a doctor and clearly pro-town and if he was, surely Cerberus' master had to be as well.
But you do have a point. I was trusted because I proved that I could help the town. I therefore propose a deal for glyphz: bring two dead townies back to life and I will remove my lynch vote.
You didn't prove squat. You killed, and brought back people after they were killed, one of whom you killed yourself. It was done quite skillfully mind you, but you weren't without suspicion. Cut the head off the snake once and for all, take an axe to Loki.
I'm not sure a public reveal was a good idea PK, he could have chosen to side with the town...and he could be powerful.
Precisely. You should've realized that I'm neutral at the beginning, Pkevvv.
It seems like he really wants to side with the town. I say we let the Loki live.
And before you exposing me, I haven't done any chaos publicly, Ph - P-pkeevvvv. (though now we have one now, I should consider that)
Bloody, you disappoint me, you're definitely not a true man, no less a warrior, and this is a god speaking. You're just like one of those loud, annoying bearded robed-women from Rome.
I have lost any inkling to side 'pro-town.' I haven't considered siding with the Jotun seriously. Why? The lasses now dare not come out late at night, and good drinks have been withhold due to suspicion of poison.
(glyphz: No hard feelings Pkev, that was Loki speaking:jester:. I know Loki is dubious, but I don't if he was supposed to be annoying or worse)
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:15
Precisely. You should've realized that I'm neutral at the beginning, Pkevvv
Big mistake. You're neutral, and therefore, you don't have the town's best interests at heart. DIE.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 00:19
Sorry Glyphz. If you're not with us, you're against us. And while this may seem a bit "dark side"-ish, in Mafia maxims can work. If you disturb us, and the Jotun seem to have the upper hand, you'll be joining them. And we can't have that, can we?
Vote:Glyphz
Maybe Glyphz should post his role pm (if he hasn't already; too many pages to check)? The way things are already, it looks like he'll be either lynched or holmganged.
No need, he already revealed to me:
http://www.insidertricks.com/care-bears/images/bears/Tenderheart_bear_large.gif
Loki, God of Hugs and Bunnies
You are a the Super Mega Best Friend Most Strong Ever of the town.
You exist only to love and cuddle and snuggle and make them happy for ever and ever and ever. If anything bad happens to any of the cutesy wootsey little townies, you'll just curl up and DIE because you can't stand BIG OLD MEANIES like the Jotun. They are ROTTEN, not like you who is the most wonderfully pleasant and trustworthy friend of all fuzzy animals and children.
If you are challenged to a fight, you will just break down and cry because you don't believe in fighting; unless it's a pillow fight and the pillows are covered in sparkles and glitter!
Holmgang ability: LOVE
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:23
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
LMAO, TinCow.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 00:23
Thanks TC, and here I was trying to help the town... <_<
Still though, funny as hell! :laugh4:
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:24
Hey Woad, who're you PM'ing?
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 00:24
Priceless. :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Just for that:
Unvote: Seamus
Vote: glyphz
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 00:25
Precisely. You should've realized that I'm neutral at the beginning, Pkevvv.
Is your key stuck on your keyboard? :laugh4:
I have lost any inkling to side 'pro-town.'
Then there is absolutely no reason to let you survive the day.
Keep piling on the votes people...
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 00:29
Hey Woad, who're you PM'ing?
The God of hugs and bunnies. :laugh4:
edit: is Glyphz using invisible mode?
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 00:31
TC: That was awesome... :2thumbsup:
GH: I'm sorry but you are destined to be at the top of every page. :beam:
MK: W&F is probably PM'ing people begging them not to lynch the Snuggle-Bunny God. He's already asked me twice to take my vote off of Glyphz... :laugh4:
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 00:35
Tally:
Glyphz: 5 (PK, ET, TC, WH, GH)
GH: 1 (disco)
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:35
Mkay then. woad&fangs, please explain to us why you believe that Glyphz shouldn't be lynched.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:38
edit: is Glyphz using invisible mode?
No. What does it matter to you?
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 00:40
Glyphz should die. That's all I can really say on the matter. Also, anyone who said we should trust Loki should be pressured with votes next round.
The way I see it, exposing my RolePM now, would be very unbecoming of being Loki, regardless if I feel being a champion for mortals or master-Jotun hunter. Yes, even if I (glyphz) do not want to end my 1st mafia experience this early. *getting emotional:drama2:*
Since, this thread is pro-town (i mean you don't see mafia-men discussing here who to kill next) it seems best to talk about what would happen if the town goes against me.
1) you lose a possible ally (so far you don't seem to have any interest to woo me to your side) and any benefits I can bring forth (yes, Loki has a new ability)
2) you waste a lynch vote (Research Loki, and find out if he was actually always a bad guy or not.)
3) if Heimdall comes out, he exposes himself and lose his 'nightwatch' ability. 3 gods exposed or dealt with and only the 3rd round. Tsk Tsk
4) have I mentioned Loki's new ability, and with I have just recently uncovered something juicy thanks to it.
5) Lynch me and i'll keep my secrets to Asgard
One last thing, I'll only expose my rolePM when I'm doomed to lynching (near the deadline) or Heimdall foolishly exposed himself by challenging (takes precedence). That way there will be more chaos.
pevergreen
08-14-2008, 00:46
The way I see it, exposing my RolePM now, would be very unbecoming of being Loki, regardless if I feel being a champion for mortals or master-Jotun hunter. Yes, even if I (glyphz) do not want to end my 1st mafia experience this early. *getting emotional:drama2:*
Since, this thread is pro-town (i mean you don't see mafia-men discussing here who to kill next) it seems best to talk about what would happen if the town goes against me.
1) you lose a possible ally (so far you don't seem to have any interest to woo me to your side) and any benefits I can bring forth (yes, Loki has a new ability)
2) you waste a lynch vote (Research Loki, and find out if he was actually always a bad guy or not.)
3) if Heimdall comes out, he exposes himself and lose his 'nightwatch' ability. 3 gods exposed or dealt with and only the 3rd round. Tsk Tsk
4) have I mentioned Loki's new ability, and with I have just recently uncovered something juicy thanks to it.
1) We lose an enemy
2) we lynch an anti-town person
3) if you live, we lose a pro-town ability
4) new ability to help the mafia.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 00:46
The way I see it, exposing my RolePM now, would be very unbecoming of being Loki, regardless if I feel being a champion for mortals or master-Jotun hunter. Yes, even if I (glyphz) do not want to end my 1st mafia experience this early. *getting emotional:drama2:*
Since, this thread is pro-town (i mean you don't see mafia-men discussing here who to kill next) it seems best to talk about what would happen if the town goes against me.
1) you lose a possible ally (so far you don't seem to have any interest to woo me to your side) and any benefits I can bring forth (yes, Loki has a new ability)
2) you waste a lynch vote (Research Loki, and find out if he was actually always a bad guy or not.)
3) if Heimdall comes out, he exposes himself and lose his 'nightwatch' ability. 3 gods exposed or dealt with and only the 3rd round. Tsk Tsk
4) have I mentioned Loki's new ability, and with I have just recently uncovered something juicy thanks to it.
5) Lynch me and i'll keep my secrets to Asgard
One last thing, I'll only expose my rolePM when I'm doomed to lynching (near the deadline) or Heimdall foolishly exposed himself by challenging (takes precedence). That way there will be more chaos.
1) Possible ally? Hah, don't make me laugh. Relying on a self-proclaimed neutral to help bring the town victory is utter madness with few exceptions.
2) That depends, which Loki are you?
3) IF. IF, IF, IF. I don't rely on "ifs".
4) Haha, yes, new ability. Tell me, is it like TinCow's new ability's in Netherworld where he was able to resurrect two of the dead to become his pawns?
5) Got secrets? If you're going to be useful and want the town to not lynch you, then spill them now.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 00:48
Sorry Glyphz, I don't care if your new ability lets you shoot rainbows out of your arse to magically impale the Jotun.
We can not take the chance of letting you live.
tally:
glyphz: 5 (Privateerkev, Eliit Tuhkur, TinCow, Warmaster Horus, GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 1 (discovery1)
Sorry Glyphz, I don't care if you new ability lets you shoot rainbows out of your arse to magically impale the Jotun.
Well, to be fair... if that was the ability we should let him live one night just to see the write-up.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 00:52
Well, to be fair... if that was the ability we should let him live one night just to see the write-up.
I admit that would be pretty cool to see what Sigurd would come up with...
...Nah. Lynch him anyways. :yes:
*edit*
Don't post GH or you'll end up on top of the new page... :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 00:55
Nah, now that I know about it it's just not the same anymore.
-edit- Woohoo!
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 00:56
Nah, now that I know about it it's just not the same anymore.
-edit- Woohoo!
Sorry, I was off a page... :laugh4:
"Lynch me. Lynch me not. Lynch me. Lynch me not..."
:tumbleweed:
what's the tally?
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 01:02
"Lynch me. Lynch me not. Lynch me. Lynch me not..."
:tumbleweed:
what's the tally?
5 for you, 1 for GH.
tally:
glyphz: 5 (Privateerkev, Eliit Tuhkur, TinCow, Warmaster Horus, GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 1 (discovery1)
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 01:02
:horn: By the way, don't let Motep slip back into the shadows. There's still a chance he could be Jotun.
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 01:03
Come on Loki, you got Thor his hammer and Odin his six-legged horse but you can't produce a simple role PM? I for one am dissapointed in your lack of resourcefullness. I'm starting to think that you aren't Loki at all; just some dumb Swede who's had to much Ale.
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 01:04
Come on Loki, you got Thor his hammer and Odin his six-legged horse but you can't produce a simple role PM? I for one am dissapointed in your lack of resourcefullness. I'm starting to think that you aren't Loki at all; just some dumb Swede who's had to much Ale.
He knows anything he posts will be a disappointment compared to Tincow's.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 01:05
By the way, don't let Motep slip back into the shadows. There's still a chance he could be Jotun.
Looks to me like it's too late. See, Glyphz's annoying behaviour makes him a perfect lynch for this turn, and a few people keep saying relatively non-sensical things, or relatively off-topic things that makes it really easy for anybody to hide behind.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 01:05
Come on Loki, you got Thor his hammer and Odin his six-legged horse but you can't produce a simple role PM? I for one am dissapointed in your lack of resourcefullness. I'm starting to think that you aren't Loki at all; just some dumb Swede who's had to much Ale.
He'll heavily edit it anyways. It's not like we can trust it.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 01:09
He'll heavily edit it anyways. It's not like we can trust it.
Indeed. And I say Motep should challenge Woad in Holmgang after the lynch. Woad is triggering alarm bells in my head big time.
Also, anyone wanna put a wager on whether or not this game's post count will beat Capo?
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 01:11
Indeed. And I say Motep should challenge Woad in Holmgang after the lynch. Woad is triggering alarm bells in my head big time.
I still believe Motep's reveal was genuine so I am hesitant at putting him in the Holmgang.
Also, anyone wanna put a wager on whether or not this game's post count will beat Capo?
I'll see what I can do... :2thumbsup:
*edit*
I was only kidding about the posting comment but I have already gotten one PM about it.
I state again, the above was only a joke. :D
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 01:12
I still believe Motep's reveal was genuine so I am hesitant at putting him in the Holmgang.
His champion can take his place.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 01:12
I still believe Motep's reveal was genuine so I am hesitant at putting him in the Holmgang.
Yet if he's telling the truth, than we have no worries. He should win. If he somehow loses, than we can be pretty confident that Woad is something quite abnormal and lynch him.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 01:16
His champion can take his place.
I think that can only happen if someone challenges Motep. If Motep challenges someone else, I don't think the Champion can step in.
Yet if he's telling the truth, than we have no worries. He should win. If he somehow loses, than we can be pretty confident that Woad is something quite abnormal and lynch him.
But we'll lose, yet another, power-town role. It seems too risky to put Motep in the Holmgang.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 01:17
But we'll lose, yet another, power-town role. It seems too risky to put Motep in the Holmgang.
Not necessarily. We still can't discount the possibility that Motep simply copied the PM Tratorix posted, and changed a couple words. If he's a fraud, then we'll be quite helped out.
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 01:18
If Motep really is Lord then he should be able to kick the snuggles out of me. then again, if he's Jotun then he'll still kick the snuggles out of me. I'm a war veteran with a Holmgang of 4. Sure it's not real creative, seeing as GH has already claimed that exact same role but that's what I got.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 01:19
You know the usual detective-for-a-mafioso play, wherein the detective reveals finding a mafioso and then obviously getting killed the night after? Would be the same thing here, nearly.
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 01:20
I think that can only happen if someone challenges Motep. If Motep challenges someone else, I don't think the Champion can step in.
But we'll lose, yet another, power-town role. It seems too risky to put Motep in the Holmgang.
1. You aren't sure about your first point, hence the "I think". You could be wrong.
2. We aren't sure he's power town. Besides, if he really is a lord, he should have a fair chance of winning.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 01:20
Hmm, a question to others who more broadly peruse these forums than I: Do Gaius Scribonius Curio and Warmaster Horus have other commitments such as PBM or LoTR?
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 01:21
Also, who else has been contacting glyphz? Apparently I'm not the only one and I don't trust anyone who is contacting him but not willing to admit it.
discovery1
08-14-2008, 01:23
Yet if he's telling the truth, than we have no worries. He should win. If he somehow loses, than we can be pretty confident that Woad is something quite abnormal and lynch him.
Isn't our goal to keep all the lords and gods in the game?
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 01:23
Hmm, a question to others who more broadly peruse these forums than I: Do Gaius Scribonius Curio and Warmaster Horus have other commitments such as PBM or LoTR?
WH is in LotR and the Gahzette.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 01:24
makai, I've got LotR, the EB interactive campaign we're setting up, BC3, the Proscription. So yeah, I've got reason to PM other people. Which I assume was more or less what you were hinting at.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 01:34
I don't like this whole "The King will probably survive Holmgang" thing.
I don't care if he will probably survive. I want him to definitely survive. So, I do not want to see Kings in Holmgang. Period. Who knows how many more we'll accidentally lynch...
discovery1
08-14-2008, 01:38
I don't like this whole "The King will probably survive Holmgang" thing.
I don't care if he will probably survive. I want him to definitely survive. So, I do not want to see Kings in Holmgang. Period. Who knows how many more we'll accidentally lynch...
Here here!
Sarathos
08-14-2008, 01:51
Attack is the best defense, eh?
Only if defending is needed, and you Andres aren't defending the right person. You continue to accuse GH of being Jotun, but from what I have read there has been no such evidence (there might of been and I missed it). Why do you continue to arrange or to encourage challanges, from what I can see you haven't challanged anyone yet and on the odd chance that you do, you are relying on a freak chance to get you through. I sense that you Andres, are either a simple town and have little to no ability and just want to be seen as important or you are in fact a Jotun.
Some one needs to put an end to your scummy workings,
I challange:Andres
What say you Andres?
Also, who else has been contacting glyphz? Apparently I'm not the only one and I don't trust anyone who is contacting him but not willing to admit it.
Since my 15 posts of fame has now died down, I'll slink back to PMs, where I'm still a bit sought after. I'll come back to answer anyone who has questions for me (albeit, politely).
Other than that, I'll make another appearance minutes before the vote deadline, and maybe reveal my rolePM, only if the situation warrants it, as promised. 'til then. Regardless, if you believe it or not. Heck, you might actually believe if I indeed turn out to be a fluffy rabbit
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 01:58
Some one needs to put an end to your scummy workings,
I challange:Andres
What say you Andres?
It's day phase, so you'll have to settle for voting for him.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 02:30
Well. The observable storm has died down.
PK- PM'ing at 19:24 and 19:25 and 19:28 and 19:29, ended 19:31, 19:33, ended 19:34, 19:35, and 19:38, went to LotR directly after. Again at 19:41, ended at 19:41, again at 19:44, end at 19:45, again at 19:50, went to midgard at 19:51, again at 19:51, 19:52, 19:56, 19:57, 19:59, ended at 20:01, again at 20:03 and 20:05 and 20:06, went to LoTR at 20:07, again at 20:08, started up again at 20:21, 20:22
Curio- PM'ing at 19:18 and 19:20 and 19:25 and 19:28, ended 19:30, again at 19:42, and 19:43.
This is the recent PM history of the two, which frankly strikes me as a bit off. I realize PK can be a chatty guy, but this is A TON of PM's. For Curio, I'm also stricken a bit off by it, but it could be something else as well. Also, I realize that PK was probably PM'ing some people for LoTR, but this just seems to be too much, especially given that there hasn't been a ton of activity today for it. So, I'm thinking he's been PM'ing a lot of people, which makes me quite curious as to what he's up to.
So, PK, whatcha got?
KukriKhan
08-14-2008, 02:34
Vote: glyphz
Welcome and well-met young warrior, to the world of mafia games. I must say: It has been a pleasure to read your stuff in this, the public thread. I can only imagine your Private Message brilliance.
But you have to die now, my friend. Your stated on-the-fence role makes you a significant potential threat to the "townies", and a huge potential asset to the bad guys (Jotuns).
With you "dead", we can take any further input from you with the requisite 9 truckfuls of salt.
Crazed Rabbit
08-14-2008, 02:39
I don't like this whole "The King will probably survive Holmgang" thing.
I don't care if he will probably survive. I want him to definitely survive. So, I do not want to see Kings in Holmgang. Period. Who knows how many more we'll accidentally lynch...
Going into a Holmgang increases your ability so a person with high initial score can move on to taking n Juton. We should have Motep challenge some low ranking townie.
Or do you not want the warriors to be better able to kill juton?
CR
KukriKhan
08-14-2008, 02:41
Didn't want to edit a vote post, so made this double (sorry).
I sincerely hope that pages 24 thru 26 (with the GH v Andres sparring contest) were some kind of play strategy that I just don't yet understand. I eagerly await the end-of-game write-up from those two. Otherwise, my eyeballs are bleeding for no reason.
And, of course, I mean that with love in my heart for both guys. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 02:56
Will answer you shortly, Khann.
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 02:57
As soon as you're done providing fakes?
Well. The observable storm has died down.
PK- PM'ing at 19:24 and 19:25 and 19:28 and 19:29, ended 19:31, 19:33, ended 19:34, 19:35, and 19:38, went to LotR directly after. Again at 19:41, ended at 19:41, again at 19:44, end at 19:45, again at 19:50, went to midgard at 19:51, again at 19:51, 19:52, 19:56, 19:57, 19:59, ended at 20:01, again at 20:03 and 20:05 and 20:06, went to LoTR at 20:07, again at 20:08, started up again at 20:21, 20:22
Curio- PM'ing at 19:18 and 19:20 and 19:25 and 19:28, ended 19:30, again at 19:42, and 19:43.
This is the recent PM history of the two, which frankly strikes me as a bit off. I realize PK can be a chatty guy, but this is A TON of PM's. For Curio, I'm also stricken a bit off by it, but it could be something else as well. Also, I realize that PK was probably PM'ing some people for LoTR, but this just seems to be too much, especially given that there hasn't been a ton of activity today for it. So, I'm thinking he's been PM'ing a lot of people, which makes me quite curious as to what he's up to.
So, PK, whatcha got?
I obviously cannot vouch for exactly what PK was doing, but a Senate Session literally just started a few hours ago in LotR. That may not mean much to you, but it usually involves lots of politicking and communication. PK leads a 'House' in that game and he is also running for election, which means he's got a lot on his plate in that game at the moment. A good deal of that PM activity is probably LotR.
Some of it is also Midgard related, because at least a couple of those PMs were sent to me.
Kagemusha
08-14-2008, 03:21
the following people are either Jotun or comlplete idiots:
2. Motep
3. Andres
4. Eliit Tuhkur
5. Quintus.J.Cicero
Wthis town deserrvs to loose this game with, Jotun playing very well, while town being complete idiots.hat the hell were you thinking?
Craterus
08-14-2008, 03:24
So Kage, what's it to be? Do we lynch the Lord now cos he's failed to prove himself?
Vote: glyphz
Loki nuff said
Kagemusha
08-14-2008, 03:29
So Kage, what's it to be? Do we lynch the Lord now cos he's failed to prove himself?
I dont givve a crap no more.We have the jotuns by the ballss and now we dont have anything anymore.Lets just we all lay down and die.
EDIT; what the hell has gluphz done. w do really deserve to loose this gasme.
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 03:35
Spoken like a true Norseman, Kage.
:barrel: :barrel: :barrel: :barrel:
Er... Vote: Glyphz
He is a tad unreactive to being lynched though... so I will change vote later if he makes a decent enough case for himself...
(GH first post on a page again lol)
- Kjell "the Tall"
Kagemusha
08-14-2008, 03:43
I maybe harsh,but the town is acting like a bunch of idiots i think i will for now on just wait for my death,solve this puzzle yourselves, while you are susecting things that are not suspicios and neglecting things that are obvious. I wait for my wog for now on.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 04:01
Now as you should know Khann, I am also a fairly verbose communicant. Yes I was talking to PK, but we have had many random discussions before that involve many short replies.
However yes I was discussing this, and no, not all of the PMs were directed to him. See above.
Now to the issue of Loki. I am not in favour of executing him merely due to his name. he may be half-Jotun, half-Aesir, and the God of chaos, however, this means that he could be helpful to the town. I recommend we leave him alive for this phase at least and see if he can provide us with anything useful. Should he fail I'm all for lynching him.
In the mean time I will only be around for another half an hour today, work and other commitments will limit my contributions for the next two days, but I'll make every effort to pop in tomorrow morning. So...
Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero
The random Holmgang, without a reason, no meaningful contribution thus far... I'm sorry, but I have to show my disapproval.
Feels good to be home. Good luck, your going to need it. :balloon3:
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 04:10
Now as you should know Khann, I am also a fairly verbose communicant. Yes I was talking to PK, but we have had many random discussions before that involve many short replies.
However yes I was discussing this, and no, not all of the PMs were directed to him. See above.
Now to the issue of Loki. I am not in favour of executing him merely due to his name. he may be half-Jotun, half-Aesir, and the God of chaos, however, this means that he could be helpful to the town. I recommend we leave him alive for this phase at least and see if he can provide us with anything useful. Should he fail I'm all for lynching him.
In the mean time I will only be around for another half an hour today, work and other commitments will limit my contributions for the next two days, but I'll make every effort to pop in tomorrow morning. So...
Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero
The random Holmgang, without a reason, no meaningful contribution thus far... I'm sorry, but I have to show my disapproval.
Glyphz is useless to the town now that he publically revealed anyway. If we let him live and he genuinely tried to help us, the Jotun would simply kill him. So, he is a threat and there is no benefit to letting him live.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 04:14
You make a good point...
However he could attempt to complete his mission and reveal anything about his ability's or what they have acheived thus far. He is unlikely to tell us while he is about to be lynched...
Vote: Privateerkev
Well, he was under suspicion when TinCow came and said he should be fine due to a PM exchange, then he flushed out Loki immediately after making contact and is driving for his lynch like mad and now he got under suspicion again due to a lot of PMing and gets backed by TinCow again. :inquisitive:
Seamus Fermanagh
08-14-2008, 04:17
Vote: glyphz
Not sure this is the best vote, but it removes a fence-sitter while we continue to ponder our other choices.
I enjoyed the holmgang of gods last time around, but TinCow's argument was too powerful to wait. :laugh4:
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 04:18
You make a good point...
However he could attempt to complete his mission and reveal anything about his ability's or what they have acheived thus far. He is unlikely to tell us while he is about to be lynched...
We couldn't trust anything he says and we won't have to worry about his abilities once he's dead. Loki was a trickster after all, and Glyphz appeared to be enjoying roleplaying in the pm s Privateerkev posted.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 04:24
So we condemn him based on a penchant for roleplaying? He could be useful to the Lords survival...
I don't believe that after eliminating a God, and a lord, we want to lynch another God, who could be useful...
And did anybody else pick up Rythmics reference? I believe he might have been trying to tell us something...
Self-destructive much???
Non, non.
Silly mortals, just 'cause you can't think of a use for a cornered god, doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. The Clever One, yours truly, have already thought of at least a couple of schemes, demanding (for me) yes, but tolerable. Think, Thonck
Sarathos
08-14-2008, 04:36
It's day phase, so you'll have to settle for voting for him.
Oh, ok. Vote:Andres
My challange will have to wait.
And did anybody else pick up Rythmics reference? I believe he might have been trying to tell us something...
Christ, I'm surprised you guys haven't figured it out yet. Look closely at the write up. :bow:
Thanks Kage. :brood:
To say the least, Tincow's post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1989764&postcount=762) made me laugh my ass off...which I do not do very often. For that, he has my gratitude, and if he is Jotun, ah well, for he is entertaining.
Ummm..
I will Vote:Andres for now, as he did seem scummy in the last couple days. Id vote for Loki, but it really does not matter at the moment who I vote for. Besides, this "loki" might be a fake, anyways.
So much pressure...:cry:
Christ, I'm surprised you guys haven't figured it out yet. Look closely at the write up. :bow:
A forester and a lawyer were in car accident and showed up at the pearly gates together. St. Peter greets them at the pearly gates and takes them to the homeswhere they will spend all of eternity. They get into St. Peter's holy vehicle and head on down a gold road, which turns into a platinum road, which turns onto an even grander road paved with diamonds, to a huge mansion where St. Peter turns to the lawyer and says, here is your home for the rest of eternity, enjoy! And if there is anything you need, just let me know. Then St. Peter took the forester to his home, back down the diamond studded boulevard, down the platinum highway, down the street of gold, down an avenue of silver, along a stone alley and down an unpaved footpath to a shack. St Peter says "Here you go" and goes to leave when the forester says "Waitaminute!, how come the lawyer gets the big mansion and I get this s hack?" St. Peter says: "Well, Foresters are a dime a dozen here, we have never had a lawyer before."
So, Rythmic went to Heaven I guess? :huh:
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 05:18
So, PK, whatcha got?
I PM a lot and make no apologies. I could have gone invisible but I never have and don't feel like starting now.
As TC has said, and any LotR player in this game can tell you, I am very active in the PBM. Not only am I "running" a group of 7 players, but I am trying to get my character elected to public office in the game right now which requires a massive amount of politicking.
And yes, I am sending and receiving PM's that have to do with this game. It seems my thread exploits have not gone unnoticed and I have had all sorts of people knocking on my door the last couple of days. Loki being one of them as I have shown you.
Curio was indeed one of those people. We chat a lot. Even when a mafia game isn't going on. Our politics are similar and PM's give us the chance to bounce ideas off of each other in privacy without worrying about the flames in the backroom. So, when a game starts, we are each other's first choice to reach out and start an in-game dialog.
Going into a Holmgang increases your ability so a person with high initial score can move on to taking n Juton. We should have Motep challenge some low ranking townie.
Or do you not want the warriors to be better able to kill juton?
CR
But there is the chance Motep might die. Why do I keep having to repeat this point to people? If we lose all of our Kings, we lose. We should be circling the wagons around these people, not shoving them into fist-fights.
So we condemn him based on a penchant for roleplaying? He could be useful to the Lords survival...
I don't believe that after eliminating a God, and a lord, we want to lynch another God, who could be useful...
Lynch glyphz. I don't care what his role pm reveals. It's not like it will be genuine. Do you really think he's going to leave the part in that says, "Loki can switch over to the Jotun"? He can easily show us his role PM with that simple part deleted. And we would never know it was deleted.
The role is designed to cause chaos and confusion. Leaving him alive only allows him to do more of this. So lynch him and lets be done with this.
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 05:21
So, Rythmic went to Heaven I guess? :huh:
What on Earth is St. Peter doing in a Norse game?
Probably a good kill (for the town) by the Jotun, I guess.
Nice find, Ichi.
Christians trying to convert us... We shall worship the true gods!!
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 05:27
I'm thinking Rythmic may have been some mad Christian axe-wielding serial killer or something along those lines. Either way, he's a heathen and I'm kinda glad he's dead.
Unfortunately I can't be any more obvious with my hints, because if I were I'd pretty much be posting my role PM. :laugh4:
Like I said, look closely at the write-up, the whole night write-up.
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 05:41
Waitasec, the writeup Ichi posted and Sigurd's actual writeup (as per the story thread) don't match. What gives?
Waitasec, the writeup Ichi posted and Sigurd's actual writeup (as per the story thread) don't match. What gives?
I googled the last line of the night write-up. That joke was the first thing that came up.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 05:47
Hmm. I missed the reference to Constantinople earlier. Perhaps Rythmic was a missionary of sorts? Either way, he was clearly not a norseman.
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 05:49
What about that lair of the demons place he mentioned? Is that a Christian thing too?
I'd look it up myself, but I'm too lazy/tired. See you all tomorrow.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 05:54
Hmm. Gehenna's a Jewish term for where the wicked were sent after death. He visited Constantinople prior to coming to Iceland. Constantinople was renowned for its wealth, and the goods which flowed through it. Jews, unlike Christians and Muslims, were not forbidden from charging interest, and hence, many filled the roles of merchants and bankers.
So, my hypothesis is that Rythmic was a Jewish merchant. Now, I have absolutely no idea what that would mean in terms of the game, however.
He keeps saying he forgot his cross in Sofia. I have no idea what he means. :bigcry:
So you're a Bulgarian Jew/Orthodox christian/Rus merchant from Constantinople
Kralizec
08-14-2008, 06:02
Christ, I don't know how you people manage to keep up this level of activity.
Vote: glyphz
It has come to my attention that not everyone (yes, Emphasis to you who would want nothing better than be known as the ones to lynch a god *smirk*), would be able to see my well-sought after 'revelation,' if I decide to do so at least an hour before the deadline as I originally planned, due to differing time-zones. (mmm-must resist the temptation of a good chaotic discussion in the last minutes... oooh, i feel nauseous just thinking of it)
I believe 15 hrs, is a generous amount of time, but as compensation I will withhold a very important NAME and a few choice words, until I see fit. So... lady (*wink*) and boys.... ready your magnifying glasses and make sure you're at least half sober (if term exists)...
Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.
You are a one of the Æsir and are currently hiding amongst the retinues of the kings at Althing. You do not know who your fellow Æsir are. One of the traits of gods in hiding is their ability to completely hide from each other.
Loki and other Æsir have no need for sleep and you find yourself wandering around the camp at night. ****y*n**************ble ***********noth***************ee i***hey*h***** *********act*****. *************and are*********hat******, *****ill*********** *ave*******pl****** **st*an*********etu**.
Pm me the ----------------------------------------------------------.
In the previous game you were given the task of making chaos. In this game you dare nothing other than keeping to the good side as you suspect there is another Æsir amongst the king’s men. Someone you fear.
You will aid the humans in their search for Jotun and help dispose of them.
During Holmgang you will be able to mask your godly abilities but you will seldom lose.
Should you fight against another God or Jotun, ----------------------------------------.
Holmgang ability: C against humans (*******ie**w**). h against other gods or Jotun.
As you stumble upon --------------- ---------- that ------ not sleeping. ---------------- ------------------------------ and you can with your Godly perception ------------------- fakes -------.
Later you see ------------------------------. -------------------- returns ------------ falls --------------------------.
ANALYZE AWAY *gets popcorn and a good front-seat view*
I'd put you on ignore glyphz, but I'm afraid I'd forget to turn it off once the game was over.
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 06:23
Precisely. You should've realized that I'm neutral at the beginning, Pkevvv
So, here, glyphz states that it should have been obvious that he started the game as neutral.
And yet...
You will aid the humans in their search for Jotun and help dispose of them.
according to the PM he just posted. Contradictions, and I DON'T like it. Lynch him.
Tratorix
08-14-2008, 06:34
Loki: The God of tricks and pranks.
This is the only part of that role pm anyone should bother reading.
So, here, glyphz states that it should have been obvious that he started the game as neutral.
And yet...
according to the PM he just posted. Contradictions, and I DON'T like it. Lynch him.
Contradictions?
....
I AM LOOOOOKKIIIIII!!!!!!!
Do you think just because my rolePM states I cannot change allegiance, doesn't mean I can't cause confusion. I may be pro-town but that does not mean I'll just drop my grudges and give 'ol smelly Heimdall a tightly, love-filled hug or share my toys with, nor join hands with mere mortals around a campfire and sing "KUUUMBAYA!!!!!"
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 06:45
Contradictions?
....
I AM LOOOOOKKIIIIII!!!!!!!
Do you think just because my rolePM states I cannot change allegiance, doesn't mean I can't cause confusion. I may be pro-town but that does not mean I'll just drop my grudges and give 'ol smelly Heimdall a tightly, love-filled hug, nor join hands with mere mortals around a campfire and sing "KUUUMBAYA!!!!!"
...
THIS IS ICELAAAAAND!!! *kicks Loki all the way to Greenland*
Sorry, I'm not buying this. In mafia, you're either with us, or against us. Tricksters are not welcome, as far as I'm concerned.
...
THIS IS ICELAAAAAND!!! *kicks Loki all the way to Greenland*
Sorry, I'm not buying this. In mafia, you're either with us, or against us. Tricksters are not welcome, as far as I'm concerned.
Hmph! I tire of this.
*takes a deep breath* "Bard play me a soft tune!"
Loki's story
Loki's stuck with the good guys from the start, pro-town, in liege w/ Aesir, but he'd rather not be found out to the Aesir (according to Role). 'Fine, low-profile, i can come up with a plan stay low, but still gain victory' (Winning First +1 Dread).
Rnd 1, we lynched Odin. BooHoo! The first watch diddn't reveal anything.
Rnd 2, we lynched a King. Great Start LOL! He did not bought absence=Jotun, voted Abstain. And look who I decide to observe that night.
Night 2
As you stumble upon privateerkev, you -----------------------------. He ---------------------------- lying down to sleep. You notice that he is alert even in sleep. Yet as you hope something will happen, ----------.
He ---------- bedroll ---------- night.
Loki became deeply troubled by the single kills/night, perhaps the Jotun was minimizing the chances of pro-town detection, let the mortals become paranoid and have them reveal their PMs due to the most ridiculous of accusations, w/o them making an effort. Well so far it was working, as Motep & Tratorix revealed (truth or not, IDK, though you can order me watch him next night to prove his innocence *hint x2*).
Ridiculous!
If the Jotun can get 2 freebie reveals, they could all of a sudden jump on these 2 as they please, so Loki thought.
Loki decided to make a risk. "I will reveal to a few mortals and collaborate with them, at least avoidin Aesir, but help the cause." PKev was actively campaigning against the slightest suspicion (Tratorix and Motep), but he claims he have already started a private networkof innocents. And he's mortal. Thus Loki offered his services, privately, to make sure he keeps himself hidden and make sure PKev doesn't go off-track and lynch a potential Lord/god, but not before adding a little test ("How many kills do you think will happen tonight?" - just couldn't resist).
Loki didn't expect PKev to be very wary of him, it seems he is not well-received among the Norse. It ended up backfiring, Loki's plan exploding in his face, thus being back-stabbed, thus Loki being very very pissed.
"THE INGRATE!" he raged." i had to pick the hostile mortal, jeez. I even made sure to behave properly." Pissed ol' Loki dropped the "Chaos Grenade" at those he was supposed to help clean the vermin, and the rest is history. (Nightwatch part 3 was more promising, and thought he could use this to redeem himself, and revealing thus makes him a target to a Jotun-Smash)
... Yep, that's it.
...
OK, fine. I'm sorry. Can I have my fluffy-bunny pic back, TinCow?!
Just a small note: can we please refrain from calling other people "idiots"?
Thank you :bow:
seireikhaan
08-14-2008, 09:11
Any thoughts on all this, Andres?
Any thoughts on all this, Andres?
Loki is, well, he's Loki :shrug:
After the "TinCow disaster" in Netherworld, I don't feel like letting him live.
Sorry glyphz, but you'll have to give us more than that fake role pm if you want to avoid getting lynched.
Vote : glyphz
Oh allmighty Loki, save us from our own stupidity by revealing your real role pm. Save us, low and humble peasants, from the embarressement of lynching a powerful God as yourself.
Btw, getting an important role in your very first mafia game is hard, but as far as entertainment value goes, you're doing an excellent job :bow:
CountArach
08-14-2008, 09:44
Just a thought, but looking over the first Midgard Saga, the Loki could join either side (As Reenk Roink did). Leaving such a character alive in a game such as this is going to be incredibly risky. I say lynch him. That is of course assuming that he really is Loki - if he is not then lynch him for lying.
Loki is, well, he's Loki :shrug:
After the "TinCow disaster" in Netherworld, I don't feel like letting him live.
Sorry glyphz, but you'll have to give us more than that fake role pm if you want to avoid getting lynched.
Vote : glyphz
Oh allmighty Loki, save us from our own stupidity by revealing your real role pm. Save us, low and humble peasants, from the embarressement of lynching a powerful God as yourself.
Btw, getting an important role in your very first mafia game is hard, but as far as entertainment value goes, you're doing an excellent job :bow:
Finally, it has been so long since someone showed me the respect deserving of a god. I feel weary, and more open to go back to the other realm. But I must deny you as I have reasons not to reveal wholly, while stubbornly claim myself innocent.
1) I am hesitant to reveal power role holmgang stats (w/c I believe is different in MS I), i'd be the first to do so, and the Jotun may pick up on it.
2) The runic emblem that signify that I am a true pro-town role (Aesir). Posting it will allow the Jotun to copy it and use it to cause deception. Now, if 5 people will vouch that the same runic emblem can be commonly found, here in Iceland (gameroom) then I will post mine. Now, aren't I thoughtful?
3) Simply because I am Loki. It's probably better that there is always a side that believes Loki and a side who're wary of him. I've decided to make things uneasy, such as masking/not revealing eveerything in my rolePM. I have offered my evidence. Do you believe what I have presented as genuine or not. Perhaps, it is my fate to eternally stand under the cloud of suspicion and struggle to overcome it.
I will compensate this by offering:
1) Let me live and I will allow you the mortals to use my ability to anyone who they wish . Then again exposing my role could mean that I lose this ability)
2) Use me as an Holmgang 'fodder', reach a decision and i will challenge that person. I advise you use this when you're sure the challenged is worth the suspicion
3) If you dont find any use to me, dont waste a vote, and let the Jotun try to take me out themselves. I will not go down without a fight.
If you still don't find this enough or still are wary of me (believe i'm not Loki at all), let your votes stand, and I Loki, the Clever One, will accept defeat and stand down. Perhaps losing an untrusted 'ally' will finally make the wheel of good fortune turn.
*This is my last post before I go and take a long nap, for the next time you see me, I'd be back at being my loud, defiant, usual self
the following people are either Jotun or comlplete idiots:
2. Motep
3. Andres
4. Eliit Tuhkur
5. Quintus.J.Cicero
Wthis town deserrvs to loose this game with, Jotun playing very well, while town being complete idiots.hat the hell were you thinking?
Care to give a reason between insulting people? The first one I maybe agree with but none of the others :brood:
CountArach
08-14-2008, 11:26
1) I am hesitant to reveal power role holmgang stats (w/c I believe is different in MS I), i'd be the first to do so, and the Jotun may pick up on it.
Then leave the Holmgang stats out of it, I'm sure we won't mind.
2) The runic emblem that signify that I am a true pro-town role (Aesir). Posting it will allow the Jotun to copy it and use it to cause deception. Now, if 5 people will vouch that the same runic emblem can be commonly found, here in Iceland (gameroom) then I will post mine. Now, aren't I thoughtful?
This line makes me somewhat more inclined to believe that this is your role, but not more likely to believe that you are entirely innocent. A quick question to one of the townies - Does the Townie PM have a runic inscription?
3) Simply because I am Loki. It's probably better that there is always a side that believes Loki and a side who're wary of him. I've decided to make things uneasy, such as masking/not revealing eveerything in my rolePM. I have offered my evidence. Do you believe what I have presented as genuine or not. Perhaps, it is my fate to eternally stand under the cloud of suspicion and struggle to overcome it.
Masking your evidence is severely anti-town play. In fact, you have not revealed anything about your role PM that I have seen. Can you confirm if you are allowed to change sides, as Loki was allowed to in the first game?
I will compensate this by offering:
1) Let me live and I will allow you the mortals to use my ability to anyone who they wish . Then again exposing my role could mean that I lose this ability)
Which ability? Did I miss something?
2) Use me as an Holmgang 'fodder', reach a decision and i will challenge that person. I advise you use this when you're sure the challenged is worth the suspicion
If you are truly Aesir your Holmgang would be awesome, and if you were pro-town you would have concerns over using this every round. This makes me suspect you don't want to take the pro-town route.
LittleGrizzly
08-14-2008, 11:38
I find people that can go either way often choose to side with the mafia, that and contradictory statements about being neutral and then being a good guy, lieing makes you look scummy...
Im not completely sure but Vote glyphz
ohh and TC's loki role pm made me lol!
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 12:07
At the risk of sounding repetitive...
I still think we're making a big mistake. Loki is putting himself completely in the open, offering to Holmgang at the town's behest, investigate at the town's behest, claiming Aesir...
And we dismiss it out of hand because he's Loki.
Has anybody thought of the fact that Glyphz's english isn't the best (my apologies :bow:), whereas the role PM seems to be fairly well-written? Yes I'm aware that he could have deleted parts, but at the same time take into account that this is his first game. I know that I wouldn't have been as audacious in my first game.
Next point. He has a plausible reason for PMing PrivateerKev. See above, he claimed to have investigated him, N2. And found him innocent. Why would he contact him, and reveal himself to a (in his eyes) confirmed innocent, if he was indeed Jotun?
Thirdly, he is correct about the runes. On his role PM he would have had them, I'm not sure if CA could confirm if they are the same (probably contradicts the rules somewhere), and I'm sure any remaining Aesir would refuse to expose themselves, but posting them would be a start. (@ Count Arach, townies did also receive runes, see Pever above... and back about 20 pages...).
Since the start of today we have concluded absolutely nothing except that Rythmic had a strange role... Christian, Constantinople... SK? I doubt it...
...and that Glyphz is most likely Loki...
In other words the Jotun have a round where they can hide behind a massive bandwagon, and even jump on it publicly with great fanfare and not be picked up for it. There has been no constructive discussion because everybody has just been panning Glyphz, who has popped up constantly defending himself. Entertaining? Yes. Constructive? Definitely not.
I'm on the verge of chucking a Kage and washing my hands of the lot of you!!! :beam:
But seriously, this is frustrating, a day wasted. Not everybodyhad to jump on the bandwagon, we could have had some leadership, but no....
I think Gah! is where I should end this missive.
FactionHeir
08-14-2008, 12:23
I think while its a risk, for now he will be more useful alive than dead since he cannot recruit people like TC did in NWM.
Besides, he might end up as a frightened Jotun kill, so we might as well lynch someone more deserving.
CountArach
08-14-2008, 12:25
Thirdly, he is correct about the runes. On his role PM he would have had them, I'm not sure if CA could confirm if they are the same (probably contradicts the rules somewhere), and I'm sure any remaining Aesir would refuse to expose themselves, but posting them would be a start. (@ Count Arach, townies did also receive runes, see Pever above... and back about 20 pages...).
I considered this, but even if it didn't contradict the rules I would be against it as against the spirit of the rules. Also, thanks for clarifying the Townies receiving runes thing.
Sarathos
08-14-2008, 12:31
I agree, why the bandwagon on Glyphz?
And why is Kage being so agressive? Its just a game mate.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 12:39
@Count Arach:Quite understandable.
Thinking it over you are quite right.
Warmaster Horus
08-14-2008, 12:44
Why the bandwagon? 'Cos it sure seems like he isn't going to help the town. In other words, very lynchable.
Although, you've got to hand it to him, he role plays very well.
Well, if he says he found Privateerkev to be innocent, I will
Unvote: Privateerkev
Vote: Caius
because I do not think Caius posted a lot and while I'm at it there are some other players I didn't read too much from.
Concerning Kage, he was most likely drunk when he ranted here, you have to forgive him guys, he was under the influence. ~D
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-14-2008, 13:22
uh...
...isn't Caius Dead?
Edit: I thought so... read N2, Caisu was murdered.
Big FoS on you Husar. Dirty, dirty WIFOM.
Ouch. I read over the list of players thinking "he is dead, he is dead...." etc but forgot Caius. :wall:
Well yeah, there's a list of alive players somewhere on page x but the first page is easier to find. :sweatdrop:
Anyway,
Unvote: Caius
Vote: Proletariat
well, she didn't post a lot either, 5 posts only.
Yeah with all these King reveals, Holmganging and Loki palava it would be very easy for a Jotun to lay low.
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 14:31
Loki's new argument seems too well thought out. Sorry, but it makes me think he's been in contact with a Jotun.
fos: glyphz
vote: abstain
Loki's new argument seems too well thought out. Sorry, but it makes me think he's been in contact with a Jotun.
fos: glyphz
vote: abstain
Well, why don't you vote for him then? :inquisitive:
On a related note, if he has been in contact with a Jotun, what does everyone think of the theory that this Jotun was pkev and that glyphz is now sacrificed to give Pkev a seemingly waterproof alibi? If glyphz has already joined the Jotun he would still win in the end if Pkev gets through without any suspicion. The way Pkev drives for his lynch at all costs, I find it weird. :shrug:
Something smells here and it's not me.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 15:10
Yes Loki is being so helpful by posting a very incomplete investigation result on me. Sorry guy, you are a good roleplayer, and I would love to share a beer with you after the game, but you have to go.
We will never ever be able to trust you. We have no way of knowing that your showing us your whole role PM. And now your deliberately throwing suspicion on a player you know to be innocent.
That is very "un-townie" like. :no:
*edit*
And I am tired of getting the whole blame for the Tratorix/Motep fiasco.
Before they revealed, they were simply guys who were absent from the board when the Jotun seemed to be missing night actions. Sigurd even commented that he wasn't receiving night PM's. In any other game, those two would have been perfectly reasonable D2 suspects. I was the first to put my vote on Tratorix but I was hardly the only one. When he revealed, I put it on Motep because he was the next person on my suspicious list. When he revealed, I took it off him.
So, do not blame me for the roles they happened to have. In any other game those two would have looked suspicious. If you want to stay alive in these games, don't miss whole day/night phases...
I, Loki, feels he has shown enough evidence to support his case. Consider this my game of trust. The only thing I plan on doing is accommodate questions about it. Now let’s see:
AMasking your evidence is severely anti-town play. In fact, you have not revealed anything about your role PM that I have seen. Can you confirm if you are allowed to change sides, as Loki was allowed to in the first game?
BWhich ability? Did I miss something?
CIf you are truly Aesir your Holmgang would be awesome, and if you were pro-town you would have concerns over using this every round. This makes me suspect you don't want to take the pro-town route.
A)I have posted my RolePM, dear ghost, and these lines came with it, no changes made.
In the previous game you were given the task of making chaos. In this game you dare nothing other than keeping to the good side as you suspect there is another Æsir amongst the king’s men. Someone you fear.
You will aid the humans in their search for Jotun and help dispose of them.
B)From the same post, but I will be a litle more considerate and reveal a few more...
Loki and other Æsir have no need for sleep and you find yourself wandering around the camp at night. E*ery ni**t**********ble ****w*t*h*anoth*****layer*and
**ee i***hey*h****a n****tly*act****y. If***ey*****and are**ct**e that******, you**ill s********leave*t*****pl*** of **st*an*********eturn.
Pm me the name of the player you wi-------------- every night.
C)I am awesome! *strikes a pose* Hurrah!
Awesome even if I lose my nightly ability. Being revealed though does limit my capabilities and options. I feel exposed ...and a big target,as the Jotun do need me dead to win. Being me, does not make things any easier. One of my last options is to offer my Holmgang services, throw me into the circle with whoever the majority may suspect, and no doubt you will be entertained, win or lose... Not my kind of terms, but I, as so many of coin my situation , am “on-the-fence”.
Loki's new argument seems too well thought out. Sorry, but it makes me think he's been in contact with a Jotun.
If you read my ‘story’ post, in my 3 nightly activities: it does not look like I’ve observed any roles that they target. Meaning I have no bargaining chip to let them join me. In my RolePM, it shows that, yours truly, do not know anyone else’s role from the start. However, I have gained something against them.
Yes Loki is being so helpful by posting a very incomplete investigation result on me. Sorry guy, you are a good roleplayer, and I would love to share a beer with you after the game, but you have to go.
We will never ever be able to trust you. We have no way of knowing that your showing us your whole role PM. And now your deliberately throwing suspicion on a player you know to be innocent.
That is very "un-townie" like. :no:
*edit*
And I am tired of getting the whole blame for the Tratorix/Motep fiasco.
Before they revealed, they were simply guys who were absent from the board when the Jotun seemed to be missing night actions. Sigurd even commented that he wasn't receiving night PM's. In any other game, those two would have been perfectly reasonable D2 suspects. I was the first to put my vote on Tratorix but I was hardly the only one. When he revealed, I put it on Motep because he was the next person on my suspicious list. When he revealed, I took it off him.
So, do not blame me for the roles they happened to have. In any other game those two would have looked suspicious. If you want to stay alive in these games, don't miss whole day/night phases...
Despite being pro-townie, I am allowed to hold grudges. You know that I’d rather see Heimdall be covered with the plague, Ha! ...and Odin find his throne in Hel. The mortal, PKev, has crossed me. That, I will not pass easily, and will relish any opportunity to bother him.
I am thoughtful enough, however, to partly mask my observation of him, to make sure the vermin not know exact role (townie, warrior or king), and the townies waste a lynch on a mortal. I only revealed that you are asleep, thus likely innocent.
Honestly, I do not put all blame on you for the Tratorix fiascco, it is equal among those who put a vote on him, heh,for such a lame cause, but I enjoy putting the spotlight on you.
*grin* That I do not deny.
Privateerkev
08-14-2008, 18:33
Despite being pro-townie, I am allowed to hold grudges. You know that I’d rather see Heimdall be covered with the plague, Ha! ...and Odin find his throne in Hel. The mortal, PKev, has crossed me. That, I will not pass easily, and will relish any opportunity to bother him.
I am thoughtful enough, however, to partly mask my observation of him, to make sure the vermin not know exact role (townie, warrior or king), and the townies waste a lynch on a mortal. I only revealed that you are asleep, thus likely innocent.
Honestly, I do not put all blame on you for the Tratorix fiascco, it is equal among those who put a vote on him, heh,for such a lame cause, but I enjoy putting the spotlight on you.
*grin* That I do not deny.
I don't believe for one moment that you have been entirely forthcoming. We will never be able to trust you. So therefore we simply can not take the chance at letting you live. I will enjoy watching you swing from the gallows Loki.
Once your dead, you can do little other than rant and I can simply put you on "ignore." :beam:
Alas. The hour nears...
I am most disappointed to leave the mortal realm in an embarrasing state. The inns have closed their doors to me, and the women avoid me. The mortals, which I was sworn to support, have turned against me, and my pleas of innocence have mostly fallen onto deaf ears. Even when they're aware that killing me generally hurts their chances (*refering to victory conditions*). They treat me as a scapegoat, as they have unearthed close to nothing about the true villains.
No doubt the Jotun vermin smile behind their guises. Even now... Yes. Even now, I can sense their gaze full of malice among those who look at me with contempt. (weak, perhaps, but definitely present)
I leave this last warning (regardless of how you treat this warning), even now as I prepare for my fate... and my plans in the the next realm. (Ragnarok)
------------ Voting closed -------------
Round 3 Completion
The morning following ActionHero’s death, the Rus mourned another man from their entourage and they all believed it was someone from the Swedish camp that had killed him. But that someone would poison a man in his sleep was beyond their comprehension. If you would kill someone, you would at least do it through battle. Poisoning was a weakling’s murder. The Swedes protested when the Rus confronted them about this. There were harsh words passed between the two groups and it nearly went as far as an open conflict with arms.
The laws speaker forced himself in between the two groups and had a few burly Jomsvikings helping him. He finally was able to make some space between the groups and declared that this would have to be settled in the same manner as the other two murders. The groups would all vote democratically for candidates to serve as the scapegoat and satisfy the injustice that had befell the Rus.
One among them spoke; “I saw a man lurking around last nigh, and it was him!” The man called privateerkev pointed at another man. “I believe he might have done it”. The man he was pointing at, smiled a betrayed smile and stepped forward. “It is true what this man speaks, I was indeed out and about last night and saw a few things that might be of interest to you.
“Liar!!” said the first. “You admit to sneaking around. Why would you do that unless you had malicious intent? I say we make this man the atonement”.
Most of the men in the gathering agreed. It was only a few of the others that wanted another candidate. The first challenged: “All those in favour raise their hand”. 12 men raised their hand. “All those that want another candidate, raise their hand”. Only six raised theirs. “It seems dear law speaker that we have found our candidate.
The law speaker asked the men of Jom to put the man in chains. “Let’s get this over with.
Do you have anything to say?” The now chained man looked at the crowd with mischievous eyes. “I came among thee mortals to help thee against a great threat. And this is how ye thank me? I shalt not suffer thy presence any longer”.
glyphz broke his chains as if it they were made of straw and threw them away. scottishranger was unfortunate and stood in the chains way. His face caved in from the blow and he suddenly found himself on the back of a horse in full gallop.
glyphz drew something with his finger in the air. Suddenly he disappeared leaving baffled Norse men looking at each other.
As glyphz entered his world, another being waited for him: “How did it fare, son?” glyphz made a grimace and put a hand to his brow. “The mortals are too suspicious and paranoid. I was not even heard”. The older man put a hand on glyphz’ shoulder: “Ah well, the mortals doth have some of our kind amongst them still. I might have made a mistake sending you. I am sorry son, thy reputation condemn thee still”.
Tally:
glyphz: 12 (Andres, Eliit, Fenring, GH, Ichigo, Kukri, LG, PK, Seamus, shlin, TinCow, Warmaster)
Andres: 2 (Motep, Sarathos)
GeneralHankerchief 1: (disco)
Quintus.J.Cicero: 1 (Gaius SC)
Prole: 1 (Husar)
Abstained : 1 (w&f)
Did not vote : 11 (Craterus, CR, El D, glyphz, Kage, Omanes, pever, Prole, QJC, scottishranger, Tevash)
Killed: (3)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Killed by Holmgang: (2)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Lynched: (3)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
WoG: (1)
scottishranger (R3)
Living: (27)
Andres
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
El Diablo
Eliit Tuhkur
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Omanes Alexandrapolites
pevergreen
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Quintus.J.Cicero
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
TevashSzat
TinCow
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Challenge away and remember to send the PMs. Deadline at 2000 GMT Friday the 15th of August
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2008, 21:54
Challenge:GH
Sorry pal, I'm resting.
woad&fangs
08-14-2008, 21:55
GH fought a Holmgang last turn so he can't fight again tonight.
If there is someone the town wants to see in a Holmgang then tell me so I can challenge them.
oh yeah, dag nab it.
I think I'm very guilty looking so you should challenge me :wink:
FactionHeir
08-14-2008, 22:25
I told you guys not to lynch glyphz :brood:
Whos ActionHero btw?
So kind were we to Loki. I feel so happy.
Whos ActionHero btw?
Sorry about that... It was a promise to those in the chat.
Oh, its YOU!! :beam:
Sorry about that... It was a promise to those in the chat.
Oh, its YOU!! :beam:
Sigurd always delivers. :beam:
pevergreen
08-15-2008, 00:25
Challange: KukriKhan
@ CA: Townie PM's have no runic inscription.
discovery1
08-15-2008, 00:26
Booo to killing loki so soon. Oh well.
Edit:
And thanks Sigurd.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-15-2008, 01:01
Do you have anything to say?” The now chained man looked at the crowd with mischievous eyes. “I came among thee mortals to help thee against a great threat. And this is how ye thank me? I shalt not suffer thy presence any longer”.
glyphz broke his chains as if it they were made of straw and threw them away. scottishranger was unfortunate and stood in the chains way. His face caved in from the blow and he suddenly found himself on the back of a horse in full gallop.
glyphz drew something with his finger in the air. Suddenly he disappeared leaving baffled Norse men looking at each other.
As glyphz entered his world, another being waited for him: “How did it fare, son?” glyphz made a grimace and put a hand to his brow. “The mortals are too suspicious and paranoid. I was not even heard”. The older man put a hand on glyphz’ shoulder: “Ah well, the mortals doth have some of our kind amongst them still. I might have made a mistake sending you. I am sorry son, thy reputation condemn thee still”.
[/U]
Seems like I am proven right, and Glyphz was innocent. AFAIK, Loki was the son of Odin. There are some Gods still around (Heimdall and Thor), so we aren't totally cooked, but Gah! again to prejudice.
Self-destruction imminent!
Tratorix
08-15-2008, 01:04
Seems like I am proven right, and Glyphz was innocent. AFAIK, Loki was the son of Odin. There are some Gods still around (Heimdall and Thor), so we aren't totally cooked, but Gah! again to prejudice.
Self-destruction imminent!
Well, he probably could have picked a better way of showing it than saying he was neutral and could side with either group.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-15-2008, 01:09
I don't deny that, but see my massive list of reasons on his behalf.
And more importantly, my rant against the hugeness of the bandwagon. Only half the number of people who voted for Glyphz voted for anybody else, allowing the Jotun to hide with impunity.
Next time there is a major lynch candidate, the voting still needs to be more spread out.
CountArach
08-15-2008, 01:43
Spreading out the voting is not a good idea, as was shown in Capo where the Mafia was able to do last-minute bandwagons on other people.
Proletariat
08-15-2008, 01:51
Not much to say about this last round. Glyph acted foolishly, completely apropo of his role, and now he's been lynched, which was really the only sound choice for the town. I've been a little busy, and have some company over this weekend, but I'll post when I can.
KukriKhan
08-15-2008, 02:05
I'm more concerned with the non-voters:
Did not vote : 11 (Craterus, CR, El D, glyphz, Kage, Omanes, pever, Prole, QJC, scottishranger, Tevash)
Why? OK, scratch glyphz (lynched) & scottishranger (WoG'd); that's still 9 players sitting on their hands. Jotuns, Kings & Warriors waiting for the peasantry to self-destruct?
Please explain yourselves. Major FoS on them all until then. Sitting out gives the town even less info to anlayze, and thus weakens it further. No wonder we're killing pro-town roles in desperation.
I'm beginning to smell "end-of-the-game", "SURPRISE!" reveals, leading to a major battle between Jotun and King as a strategy. Good luck with that, if all the Gods and peasants are dead. Jotun ftw.
--edit--
@ CA: Townie PM's have no runic inscription.
Factually incorrect, sir. At least one Townie PM did have a runic inscription. What is your source for this misinformation?
FactionHeir
08-15-2008, 02:17
Sorry about that... It was a promise to those in the chat.
Oh, its YOU!! :beam:
Hmmm any explanation? I don't usually visit the chat :wink:
I'm more concerned with the non-voters:
Why? OK, scratch glyphz (lynched) & scottishranger (WoG'd); that's still 9 players sitting on their hands. Jotuns, Kings & Warriors waiting for the peasantry to self-destruct?
Please explain yourselves. Major FoS on them all until then. Sitting out gives the town even less info to anlayze, and thus weakens it further. No wonder we're killing pro-town roles in desperation.
Omanes hasn't been online since the 12th
And FH maybe you should start ~;)
discovery1
08-15-2008, 02:27
Hmmm any explanation? I don't usually visit the chat :wink:
I was copying your name into something I was saying, and didn't catch the f. Hence actionHeir was written and Husar said 'no action hero' or so.
Craterus
08-15-2008, 02:36
I'm more concerned with the non-voters:
Why? OK, scratch glyphz (lynched) & scottishranger (WoG'd); that's still 9 players sitting on their hands. Jotuns, Kings & Warriors waiting for the peasantry to self-destruct?
Please explain yourselves. Major FoS on them all until then. Sitting out gives the town even less info to anlayze, and thus weakens it further. No wonder we're killing pro-town roles in desperation.
I'm beginning to smell "end-of-the-game", "SURPRISE!" reveals, leading to a major battle between Jotun and King as a strategy. Good luck with that, if all the Gods and peasants are dead. Jotun ftw.
--edit--
Factually incorrect, sir. At least one Townie PM did have a runic inscription. What is your source for this misinformation?
I forgot. Was going to vote Kage last night but his depressed defeatism has convinced me he's a townie.
Needless to say, yesterday's vote was a foregone conclusion and I'd still say it was probably the best action for the town. Had glyphz been a bit more clear (i.e. his role isn't actually neutral by the sounds of it) then we could have lynched someone else and used him.
Crazed Rabbit
08-15-2008, 03:14
I'm more concerned with the non-voters:
Why? OK, scratch glyphz (lynched) & scottishranger (WoG'd); that's still 9 players sitting on their hands. Jotuns, Kings & Warriors waiting for the peasantry to self-destruct?
Please explain yourselves. Major FoS on them all until then. Sitting out gives the town even less info to anlayze, and thus weakens it further. No wonder we're killing pro-town roles in desperation.
I'm beginning to smell "end-of-the-game", "SURPRISE!" reveals, leading to a major battle between Jotun and King as a strategy. Good luck with that, if all the Gods and peasants are dead. Jotun ftw.
--edit--
Factually incorrect, sir. At least one Townie PM did have a runic inscription. What is your source for this misinformation?
I've been building a computer and working lately. I've slept 1.5 hours in the last 39 hours. :shrug:
I might well have voted for glyphz/Loki, but Sigurd played us by making him on the good side. Well acted by glyphz, though.
We cannot rely on Midgard I as complete truth. I can't say the lynching of Loki was completely rash, however, based on what the town knew.
CR
Factually incorrect, sir. At least one Townie PM did have a runic inscription. What is your source for this misinformation?
I don't have a runic thingy, maybe Firefox blocks it or something? because I think pever said he used Firefox and he can't see it either.
KukriKhan
08-15-2008, 05:03
I don't have a runic thingy, maybe Firefox blocks it or something? because I think pever said he used Firefox and he can't see it either.
Maybe.
So he took his personal, individual experience, and gave universal advice?
Originally Posted by pevergreen
@ CA: Townie PM's have no runic inscription.
::decides to download Firefox again, to see if it's true::
Setting that aside, I'm sure many, if not all, the non-voters have excellent excuses for their non-participation. Exams (always a favorite), dog died, war in Georgia, got bored, whatever.
At the risk of totally pissing off 9 people all at once: I have a life, too. I work 10-12 hours a day and spend a few other hours moderating the rough-and-tumble backroom forum, but I suit up and show up every day here, and read all 30+ pages of posts, and contribute what I can because I said I would. My word ("in") is my bond; or else my word means nothing.
I know it's 'only a game, dude', but do you realize the work the host has to do to try to make our experience enjoyable? Non-participation, after promising to be 'in' = disrespect of that work, and a cavalier disregard for the work/efforts of the other players.
The honorable thing to do, in my opinion, if I cannot do what I said I would do (that is: play this game) would be to contact the host, apologize for wasting his time and effort, and ask to be character-killed; then making a public announcement, that "stuff came up" (as it always does. No argument there) that prevents me from participating in the effort.
Anything less is cowardly, lazy, and 'personally convenient'. In my opinion.
These are not buy-off-the-shelf, play-til-you're-bored, then disregard games. These are products constructed by our peers and friends to amuse, entertain, educate, and [u]involve[/i] our other peers and friends. We should treat them as such.
And so, I step off my :soapbox: and yield to the next speaker.
I'm not sure what to make of that...plus that's my smilie :bigcry:
seireikhaan
08-15-2008, 05:24
I don't have a runic thingy, maybe Firefox blocks it or something? because I think pever said he used Firefox and he can't see it either.
Wrong, I had it. I use firefox.
FoS: Pever and Shlin.
Sarathos
08-15-2008, 05:34
Wow, yet another God gone. What was the case on glyphz anyway? And why did everyone push it so hard? Am I missing something..?
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 06:12
You know Kukri, I do believe you've constructed the ideal persona to hide behind should your opportunity to play as a mafioso ever come up, if it hasn't done so already.
KukriKhan
08-15-2008, 06:44
You know Kukri, I do believe you've constructed the ideal persona to hide behind should your opportunity to play as a mafioso ever come up, if it hasn't done so already.
LoL. I guess you're right. In 12 games, I've had 1 "power role" and 11 townie roles. I actually wonder, given your observation, if the world would look different if I were ever a maf. Probably, my bias would change, I guess.
:laugh4::laugh4:
discovery1
08-15-2008, 06:51
Or maybe not.....
Wow, yet another God gone. What was the case on glyphz anyway? And why did everyone push it so hard? Am I missing something..?
He was the official loki, so people didn't trust him. And he died. huge mistake.
Wrong, I had it. I use firefox.
FoS: Pever and Shlin.
:thumbsdown:
I looked at the html code for the pm, and still can't find it... So... I'm guessing Sigurd sent some people role pms with runes and others without. (either that or I am blind)
Back 20 or something pages, someone had posted some runes, but I could not see them, did anybody else have the same problem as me?
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 07:48
Setting that aside, I'm sure many, if not all, the non-voters have excellent excuses for their non-participation. Exams (always a favorite), dog died, war in Georgia, got bored, whatever.
At the risk of totally pissing off 9 people all at once: I have a life, too. I work 10-12 hours a day and spend a few other hours moderating the rough-and-tumble backroom forum, but I suit up and show up every day here, and read all 30+ pages of posts, and contribute what I can because I said I would. My word ("in") is my bond; or else my word means nothing.
I know it's 'only a game, dude', but do you realize the work the host has to do to try to make our experience enjoyable? Non-participation, after promising to be 'in' = disrespect of that work, and a cavalier disregard for the work/efforts of the other players.
The honorable thing to do, in my opinion, if I cannot do what I said I would do (that is: play this game) would be to contact the host, apologize for wasting his time and effort, and ask to be character-killed; then making a public announcement, that "stuff came up" (as it always does. No argument there) that prevents me from participating in the effort.
Anything less is cowardly, lazy, and 'personally convenient'. In my opinion.
These are not buy-off-the-shelf, play-til-you're-bored, then disregard games. These are products constructed by our peers and friends to amuse, entertain, educate, and [u]involve[/i] our other peers and friends. We should treat them as such.
And so, I step off my :soapbox: and yield to the next speaker.
Here here...
I ranted about this extensively in Mafia VIII so I won't repeat the whole thing here. But I grow tired of watching dozens of players say "in" and then disappear. I suspect it has to do with whether they get a "cool" role or not. If they get the standard townie PM, they seem to melt away and have "exams." Now, before I hear the inevitable "school is busy" excuses, I'll make clear that I am a grad-student. (Working on a Masters degree for those not familiar with US higher education terminology.) While I am taking a break from school at the moment, I know what it is like to work full time and do school full time. And I remember what it is like to have to read 1 book a day and skim 6 more just to keep up with your research project.
So yeah, while I won't claim to have had the workload of Doctoral or Law students, I do know what it is like to be busy with school. Well, my answer is simple. If school is that busy, then don't commit yourself to games until school lightens up. It is like, if you are on a baseball team with 9 players, but 1 only shows up to some of the games. Well, now the game sucks a little more for everyone. It would be better if that person would just quit so someone who will show up to every game can play.
And I notice it starts to breed a culture of laziness in these games. Many people seem to want to only play these games "part-time." And if any of us try to get the town talking or punish lurkers, we get spotlighted as "pushing too hard." It becomes this never ending cycle. People are lazy so it becomes harder to push the town yourself. So then it is easier for you if you just give up and play lazy. But that makes it much harder for the town to win. So you end up having two choices. You can either give up and play lazy or swim upstream and weather the inevitable "he is too talkative" or "he is leading the town too much" or "he is pushing too hard" comments.
I enjoy these games because of the interaction. But they would bore the hell out of me if 30+ people simply abstained every turn because they were too busy/lazy to actually play the game. ~;p
discovery1
08-15-2008, 08:21
After drinking alot, there is only one thing I can do.
Challenge: Warmaster Horus
Challenges so far:
1. pevergreen vs. Kukrikhaan
2. discovery1 vs. Warmaster Horus
LittleGrizzly
08-15-2008, 12:38
I still think we did the right thing regarding Glyhpz, there were inconsistency's in his story which bothered me, like his neutrality he mentioned to PK, but his role pm had him down as a good guy, so either he was lieing or his pm was fake, i happen to think it was probably the latter, the fact loki joined the jotun in midgard I was enough to sell me on the idea....
Well we may have made our first good lynch we still seem a bit aimless, unless you count KK's vote for CA or GH's constant holmganging as a sign of mafia we haven't really got any leads, and we seem to have given up on trying to control the holmgang as people just seem to challenge if they want to... we need to get organised and we need some leads...
pevergreen
08-15-2008, 12:57
I have no runes on my PM, either in FF3, or IE7. Check the thread, I have always maintained that I have no runes. AFAIK, no counter knowledge has been made public about a base TOWNIE role, not a War Vet etc, having runes.
As to why I didnt vote, I just didnt. No reason, I kept meaning to vote glyphz, but never did in my posts. :shrug: thats all.
:laugh4: ActionHero! Hehe...
Second guessing the Loki lynch is wrong. That role was known to be a neutral role that could choose town or Jotun at will. Leaving a role like that alive is a massive mistake. While it appears that Loki was indeed exclusively pro-town based on the write-up, there was no way for us to know that beforehand. It is regretable that Loki is dead, but it was still the right thing to do at the time.
KukriKhan
08-15-2008, 16:30
I have no runes on my PM, either in FF3, or IE7. Check the thread, I have always maintained that I have no runes. AFAIK, no counter knowledge has been made public about a base TOWNIE role, not a War Vet etc, having runes.
As to why I didnt vote, I just didnt. No reason, I kept meaning to vote glyphz, but never did in my posts. :shrug: thats all.
Post #575 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1988719&postcount=575). But the issue is probably irrelevant (unless you're fibbing about being townie/human).
woad&fangs
08-15-2008, 17:04
Okay, I have been having a thought. There is about 6 lords and each of the lords has to have at least one and probably multiple war veterans. I could post the first 3 lines of the war veteran role PM. Then GH can post the 4th line in the PM and someone can post the 5th line and so on and so on until all of the war veterans have revealed. 6+ people proven innocent would be very valuable especially with the Jotun only killing 1 person every night. Depending on the lenght of the townie Pm we might be able to do the same thing with that role. What does everybody think of my idea?
Seamus Fermanagh
08-15-2008, 17:10
Second guessing the Loki lynch is wrong. That role was known to be a neutral role that could choose town or Jotun at will. Leaving a role like that alive is a massive mistake. While it appears that Loki was indeed exclusively pro-town based on the write-up, there was no way for us to know that beforehand. It is regretable that Loki is dead, but it was still the right thing to do at the time.
Well, it's wrong in that it is a waste of time. From the post-mortem write up, it really appears that he was a god. We may have offed a pro-town asset or maybe not. Regardless, it's done.
My king having now shuffled off to the afterlife, I am no longer beholden to anyone else save victory in general. Whom should I challenge so as to see if they are Jotun (by having them wipe the floor with me), or are we still to skeptical of that as a tactic?
After drinking alot, there is only one thing I can do.
Challenge: Warmaster Horus
:inquisitive:
Ok, I am sober. In fact, it's been more than a month since I've been drunk.
Challenge : discovery1
Because I envy his drunken state.
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 17:23
My king having now shuffled off to the afterlife, I am no longer beholden to anyone else save victory in general. Whom should I challenge so as to see if they are Jotun (by having them wipe the floor with me), or are we still to skeptical of that as a tactic?
The problem is, it puts a possible pro-town role at risk. If you pick the wrong person, you might kill them or put the spotlight on them.
Holmganging is looking more and more like a bad idea from a purely strategic and game mechanics point of view. If we had more people in the game, and less power-town roles, then I could see it being used like lynching. Where we would do one a turn just to see what we get out of it.
But, with so many roles around we need to keep alive, and with the Holmgang having so little utility as a Jotun finder, it seems to do far more harm than good. If we use it, basically all we can do is cross our fingers that one of the participants is Jotun and that he dies despite his probably high Holmgang stats. I just don't like the odds.
KukriKhan
08-15-2008, 17:26
Okay, I have been having a thought. There is about 6 lords and each of the lords has to have at least one and probably multiple war veterans. I could post the first 3 lines of the war veteran role PM. Then GH can post the 4th line in the PM and someone can post the 5th line and so on and so on until all of the war veterans have revealed. 6+ people proven innocent would be very valuable especially with the Jotun only killing 1 person every night. Depending on the lenght of the townie Pm we might be able to do the same thing with that role. What does everybody think of my idea?
I think that bears serious consideration. We should discuss it more to see if there are any downsides (aside from the obvious one of naming targets for the Jotun).
If we do a mass-reveal in the way you describe, if all cooperate, the Jotun will also be revealed/deduced. The more I think of it, the more I like it.
@Seamus: I hold in high esteem and honor your offer to be killed 'for the team'. I suggest: let's tighten up w&f's plan, so we can better identify your (our) Jotun targets.
--edit--
I just checked my rolePM; it consists of 5 sentences, + a character name, holmgang score, and Norse runic inscription. So: 5 townies could self-reveal using w&f's process. And there's one possible problem: If pevergreen really is a townie, but didn't get a runic inscription, maybe Sigurd custom-made rolePMs, with just enough variation in detail that we couldn't use them to positively i.d. good guys.
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 17:37
@woad: A similar strategy was tried in Midgard I, with horrible results. I don't think it's that good of an idea - Sigurd may have supplied the Jotun with replacement PMs again.
@PK: Loosen up a bit, dude. At one kill per night, we can afford the Holmgangs. Mafia VIII had a similar amount of players and lasted nine rounds at two kills per night. Considering the fact that Midgard is more active than Mafia VIII (ie less WoGs), it's not as damning as you think.
I speak against the reveal idea, as with all of the private revealings going around, the Jotun probably have a copy of several of the roles.
discovery1
08-15-2008, 18:44
I can do multiple challenges right?
Challenge:Eliit Tuhkur
Oh, no. Thanks TinCrow
I can do multiple challenges right?
No.
Players can not spam challenge. Only one challenge pr. player will be added to the list of possible Holmgangs (usually the first).
Still about 10 minutes left until the deadline.
Any more challenges?
Challenges so far:
1. pevergreen vs. Kukrikhaan
2. discovery1 vs. Warmaster Horus
3. Andres vs. discovery1
Round 4
The crowd stood silent in astonishment. A god had been among them and they had lost His favour. Some murmuring started what would later be outright shouting amongst the men of the kingdoms. Some smirked at the others for losing the favour with the Gods and declared that they had not been so idiotic to vote for an Æsir. One such was discovery1. He quite boldly called the 12 that were responsible for this ordeal a bunch of headless chicken. “You are so dumb, when you had a brainstorm it was just a drizzle”.
The Swedes that stood with discovery1 laughed hard.
The Danes, many of them having voted glyphz took great offence. One big burly fellow, Andres, seemed to be their spokes person. “You call us dumb Swede, let’s see if you have an arm that fits with your wits”.
The law speaker rushed to the area where discovery1 and Andres was facing each other. “Let’s do this properly shall we? Name your weapons of choice.. and make them some elbow space here!!”
discovery1 chose his sword as did Andres. They were both skilled with the blade and both refused the wooden shield.
Andres took a stance and held his sword up in front of him and let the cold steel touch his forehead. discovery1 had the sword sheathed but put his feet in a stance. Andres was watching disco from behind the blade and calculated his chances. disco stood poised ready to react should Andres move to strike him. Around disco's neck dangled an amulet formed as a hammer. Andres finally made his move and took the few strides that put him into the striking range of disco at a heart beat, slashing up from left to right, trying to disembowel disco. disco’s sword was out of its scabbard and parried Andres’ attack. Steel rang on steal and several combinations of strikes and parries shifted between the two combatants. disco drew the first blood by nicking Andres in the shoulder and thigh. Andres countered and got in a slash across disco’s ribs.
A few more combinations were thrown by both without any results. Then it was Andres’ turn to strike home, cutting up disco’s arm on two places. disco got lucky and nicked the hand of Andres as he drew the sword back from a slash that were parried by disco.
Andres bled all over the pommel and it was hard to hold the sword tight. disco saw his discomfort and attacked. He knocked the blade out of Andres’ limp hand and with a double handed blow, opened Andres’ torso from collarbone to navel. Andres fell backwards and lay dying on his back.
Darkness engulfed Andres and he was carried away to a flowery pasture where he opened his eyes. A beautiful woman stood there waiting, holding a horse by its rein. “My dear and beautiful warrior, I will take thee home to your God. But first come hither. It has been long since I saw such a beautiful man. I am in want of a kiss”.
****
The Danes carried the dead body of their proud warrior to the pyre area and mourned. They wanted some mead and a dwarf had brought some. They shared it and became merry. Maybe Andres were already sitting at Odin’s table. Yeah, if there were one among us who deserved that, it would be Andres. The passed the skin to Eliit Tuhkur who declined. “What, do you not drink to our lost friend?” Eliit Tuhkur looked to the body of Andres and said: “If you had some water, I would drink to the fallen warrior”. The other men looked to the dwarf. He smiled and provided another skin. Eliit Tuhkur took it and smelled at the drinking piece. Water… He took a deep slurp and burped. The other men laughed. Eliit felt dizzy and wanted to stand up. But the effort made him slip and he fell backwards, never again to rise.
The men turned to look for the dwarf, but he had vanished in thin air. “Damn not another one”…
Eliit was floating in darkness and was quite entranced about the sensation. He felt light and free. But as soon as he thought about how to get out of here, he was drawn to a light spot which grew and grew until he suddenly was in it. This new place was all calm and white. He heard a male voice saying: “So God made him a woman!! ”. He could hear some female laughter. This really felt like home to him, even though it was kind of a strange sensation.
****
In the Jomsviking camp everyone had settled down. Shlin28 was sleeping in his tent and was suddenly waken by a rumbling sound. He opened his eyes and sat up. In the dark corner he could see the reflection of his candle in a pair of yellow glass orbs. “The rumbling became a voice: “You weak mortals disgust me, I have suffered your presence too long”. With inhuman speed the huge being was over him and was holding him by the neck. A smile of white fangs split open the rather dark face of this Hulk. “Go and say hello to Odin for me would ya?” That was the last shlin heard before he found himself on the back of a horse heading for Valhalla. The sight of the beauty that sat in front of him guiding the horse through the air, made him forget all about the Jotun he had encountered just moments before.
Killed: (5)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Killed by Holmgang: (3)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
Lynched: (3)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
WoG: (1)
scottishranger (R3)
Living: (24)
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
El Diablo
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Omanes Alexandrapolites
pevergreen
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Quintus.J.Cicero
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
TevashSzat
TinCow
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Vote people... last vote that will be counted is at 2000 GMT towmorrow 16th of August.
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:07
@PK: Loosen up a bit, dude. At one kill per night, we can afford the Holmgangs. Mafia VIII had a similar amount of players and lasted nine rounds at two kills per night. Considering the fact that Midgard is more active than Mafia VIII (ie less WoGs), it's not as damning as you think.
@GH: Tighten up a bit, dude. We don't know how many kills the Jotun are capable of. For all we know, they could get more but have held off for now at one a night. We only have so many power-town roles so if we lose them all, we lose the game. Get on board or get out of the way...
damn, and hour too late to challenge Disco :shame:
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 22:16
Vote: Privateerkev
"My way or the highway" approach. Don't like it at all.
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:22
GH, I heard from the grapevine that your making up role PM's. Care to explain? :inquisitive:
Craterus
08-15-2008, 22:22
vote: Fenring
You only seem to post to make a vote and generally include a complaint at the high activity. Do you have anything else to add?
My 'night ended' post is updated...
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:30
At one kill per night, we can afford the Holmgangs.
Boy I bet you feel silly now...
I will be expecting that apology. :beam:
If you wish, it can be in the form of an "unvote."
:clown: <--- Because I know he is your favorite.
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 22:33
Just for your sheer arrogance:
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
Vote: Privateerkev
And some basis to your pathetic "o well derz rumorz huhhuhhuh" would be nice. :yes:
seireikhaan
08-15-2008, 22:38
Hmm...
Now we've got a fanged immortal attacking us? :inquisitive:
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:38
Wow, 12 votes on me from one person. I must have struck a chord. ;)
As for rumors, I heard your passing around the Swedish Champion PM. Unfortunately for you, I saw the real Swedish Champion PM days ago. Care to explain or are you just going to vote for me a lot?
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 22:39
I passed around the Swedish Champion PM around to two people. One was the Swedish King. The other was his champion.
You see, it appears that winning a Holmgang puts you into favor with your King.
Kralizec
08-15-2008, 22:41
You only seem to post to make a vote and generally include a complaint at the high activity. Do you have anything else to add?
Not at the moment. As you may have guessed, I've been busy the last month. I'll try to follow the discussion from now on, though.
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:43
I passed around the Swedish Champion PM around to two people. One was the Swedish King. The other was his champion.
You see, it appears that winning a Holmgang puts you into favor with your King.
Ah, thank you. That explains it. :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 22:45
Now, the question is: How did you come by that information? :inquisitive:
FactionHeir
08-15-2008, 22:47
Note that shlin was killed by the Jotun. That means the previous kills were not made by Jotun.
->Jotun started killing after Loki's demise?
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:47
Now, the question is: How did you come by that information? :inquisitive:
Someone told me. :laugh4:
There is a small network of people who have revealed to each other. I am obviously "plugged into it."
Note that shlin was killed by the Jotun. That means the previous kills were not made by Jotun.
->Jotun started killing after Loki's demise?
Jotun can take different forms iirc.
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 22:50
Someone told me. :laugh4:
There is a small network of people who have revealed to each other. I am obviously "plugged into it."
Yuh.
The question is "who" though.
I only showed it to two people, both of whom know my innocence. If they, and by extension, you, doubt me, then something's not right.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Killed by a dwarf, how embarrassing...
oh and PK is a no lynch so lay off him GH.
Yikes! The Jotun have finally stepped up the pace, and probably their King,himself, has finally reared his ugly head.
:edit:
Note that shlin was killed by the Jotun. That means the previous kills were not made by Jotun.
->Jotun started killing after Loki's demise?
It might probably make sense. One less 'nightwatcher' type, has made the mafia feel more bold as their actions are less likely to be detected/observed.
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 22:56
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Killed by a dwarf, how embarrassing...
oh and PK is a no lynch so lay off him GH.
Too many times I've seen a pro-town group successfully infiltrated, so I'll lay off him when I get the answers I desire.
Privateerkev
08-15-2008, 22:56
Yuh.
The question is "who" though.
I only showed it to two people, both of whom know my innocence. If they, and by extension, you, doubt me, then something's not right.
You puzzled some of us with that role PM claim. We did not know of that particular game mechanic. And those of us who rely on Midgard 1 for our clues were left scratching our heads. Teaches me a lesson for reading the first game too closely...
Vote: El Diablo
I only remember him posting to vote. Why don't you come and join in on some discussion?
discovery1
08-15-2008, 23:27
And what did we learn from that? That's right, always wear thick leather gloves.
Vote:Omanes Alexandrapolites since I am at a loss what to do, and you have said even less then I, so I might as well try to get you to talk.
Well, I'm not exactly at a loss about what to do, but right now I don't have enough information right now.
I'm a fan of inducement to talking via lynch votes.
Vote: Fenring
Let's hear it, silent one.
I think that bears serious consideration. We should discuss it more to see if there are any downsides (aside from the obvious one of naming targets for the Jotun).
Uhm, yes there are, the jotun only have to kill the six lords to win so basically their targets will be anyone but those six champions. :dizzy2:
If we do a mass-reveal in the way you describe, if all cooperate, the Jotun will also be revealed/deduced. The more I think of it, the more I like it.
That didn't work before and I would bet Sigurd would give fake PMs to the Jotun to keep the game balance, as he did before, so we wouldn't gain anything.
I passed around the Swedish Champion PM around to two people. One was the Swedish King. The other was his champion.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Maybe you can figure out why. :inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2008, 23:52
Because I'm a latecomer champion, Husar. Apparently the Swedish King was so impressed by my Holmgang victory that he invited me to become his second champion.
You guys heard me right. Don't piss off the Swedes, we now have two champions. :yes: :viking:
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/n2212592987_37537.jpg
KukriKhan
08-16-2008, 00:02
All good points Husar. I guess that puts the ka-bosh on that idea. Sorry woad&fangs.
So we're back to relying on intuition, and whatever info we can garner by back-channels.
woad&fangs
08-16-2008, 01:08
Of course, we could always do it in private since that seems to be what all the cool kids are doing.:brood:
Because I'm a latecomer champion, Husar. Apparently the Swedish King was so impressed by my Holmgang victory that he invited me to become his second champion.
You guys heard me right. Don't piss off the Swedes, we now have two champions. :yes: :viking:
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/n2212592987_37537.jpg
That sounds pretty weird. :inquisitive:
Meh. Double Meh.
The way PK has been going at this game, it seems as if he might be trying to be helpful. Or, he might intentionally be trying to force us onto the wrong track. All I know, is that no matter how flowered up Pk's actions have been, they have turned ill for the town.
Vote:Privateerkev
Nice fight, by the way.
Privateerkev
08-16-2008, 06:10
Sorry guys, I'm not Jotun. My lynching will not help the town. :no:
And Motep, exactly what track have I been trying to "force" you on? :inquisitive:
I haven't even voted yet... :laugh4:
What's even more disturbing, is that Motep knows exactly who I am. :brood:
I weep for the town's future... ~:mecry:
GeneralHankerchief
08-16-2008, 06:28
See PK, I'm still not convinced you are who you say you are though.
Here's a little back-and-forth we've had over the course of the day. It's edited to block out some names as well as keep some more personal stuff out:
Hi GH,
As usual, know that anything I say in the game thread is "IC." I'm having fun and I hope you are too.
[BillyBob] says I should reveal to you and let you know of the existence of our network. You can confirm this with [King] and [Champion].
role PM
I'd be inclinced to believe him, but considering the size of PK's network, there's apparently a lot of PMs passed around back and forth.
Honestly, right now I feel like Winston Smith getting the Brotherhood explained to him. And if you know your 1984, you know this can be interpreted a couple of different ways. :wink:
What I still don't like is how, if [King] and [Champion] are part of the group, they didn't properly explain to you what was going down. Which is why I still don't trust you at all.
GH
I first explain the problem I have to him.
It takes awhile for information to go back and forth. Everyone seems to be waiting for confirmation from everyone else. Somewhere in there, there seems to be a snag with waiting for someone to respond to a PM.
You threw us off there pretty good. None of us expected this. We all knew you were Swedish because of your Holmgang. But to see you claim to be a role that we all knew [Champion] had claimed set off our alarms. We didn't know people could be "promoted" in this game.
I don't expect you to trust us. This is Mafia after all. But, let me know if you have any questions and I will do what I can to answer them within reason.
If it makes you feel any better, I do trust you to a point. I don't think your Jotun. While I might have a certain opinion as to how useful of a towny you have been, I do not think you are guilty. Which is why I have not been voting for you.
PK's initial defense, being that of communication lag. I say why that's not good enough, as described below:
Yeah, see, here's where your story doesn't really make sense:
Obviously, [King] and [Champion] are in your group, otherwise, they (the group) wouldn't have known about my promotion to Champion. But they should have been able to confirm what I was saying was true at the same time they sent everybody in the group a copy of the promotion PM.
Now, I can think of one, and only one, instance where the mixup makes sense to me and you personally are who you say you are. But I'd like to hear it from you, using specifics, before I believe you.
(next exchange is edited to keep people from learning certain identities)
I can't help you with the whole picture. I only know my small part. Our network is more of a collection of "cells". Not every member talks to every other member. The King/Champion relationship actually lends itself perfectly to this.
At 12:47PM US CT today, I received a PM from a "3rd party." This person said:
Been talking to [Champion]. He says that GH is now a champion for [King]. He's waiting for a reply from [King] to make sure it was Sigurd who sent the PM. If it is, then it seems we've got an interesting new development.
At 4:10PM US CT, I get a pm out of the blue from [Champion] after I said, "get on board or get out of the way."
lol. So you hear about the pm [King] got about GH? Looks like it came from sigurd himself....
I replied that I didn't know what was going on. He replied at 4:47PM US CT saying:
It may be possible that he was a vet and was upgraded. I think [Champion] got a pm from sigurd about him being a champ, but I'm not positive it was from Sigurd. Waiting for confirmation.
[blah blah blah]
That is everything I know about you to date. I asked in the thread for you to explain yourself and you have. I am satisfied. If you have any other questions, let me know.
PK threw a lot of information at me there, but it still didn't add up, as explained below:
[blah blah blah]
But what I still don't get is how all the PMs were taking the tone of "wow, I think his role was upgraded, let me just double check" but you still took on a "you're faking a PM" in the thread. The times don't really match up.
PK then responded with a PM that took the conversation in a different direction, aside from these two paragraphs:
As for timing, when they sent the PM does not automatically mean I read it at that time. I've been playing a computer game most of the day and checked in and saw your "lighten up" comment. I feel like some of you guys just aren't taking this seriously. Which is always your right. But some of us feel that attitude just makes it easier for the Jotun.
So, that is what happened. We had no idea Sigurd would allow an "upgrade" in roles. We were all puzzled that you would claim a role that we already knew was filled. I didn't like your tone in the thread so I hit back a little hard.
The gist of my argument, which PK failed to answer despite multiple opportunities to do so, is still: It seemed like the group consensus was that this was a "this is puzzling, let's confirm that GH really got a role upgrade" mood yet PK ignored this and still pushed the line that I was faking. PK had to have read the PMs before checking the thread, otherwise he wouldn't have known about my upgrade in the first place.
This, combined with the fact that I think he has too much power concentrated in his hands and is trying to lead the town in the wrong direction, makes me think he has to go this round.
So if I get the jist of all that. PK knew you were promoted to a champion, but said in the thread that you were faking PM's. Is that right? PK what are you up to? I'm pretty tired, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
@El Diablo: I see you've been online, but still haven't posted anything. You're only posting to vote which makes me think you are just active enough to not get WoG'd. Seems very scummy imho.
Crazed Rabbit
08-16-2008, 08:07
Vote: PrivateerKev
Because I don't believe him. Also, I think holmgangs can be useful.
CR
discovery1
08-16-2008, 08:24
UnVote:Omanes Alexandrapolites
Vote: El Diablo since Omanes hasn't been online in days and if I am going to use a pressure vote I might as well use it on someone who at least comes to the org.
Kagemusha
08-16-2008, 08:37
Allright. I apologize my completely out of line behavior from couple nights a go. With my current level of stress coming from real life, combined with my hot headed temper and booze. I can become a world class idiot quite easily. That was the reasoning i decided to lay off these games a while a go. A decision i should have sticked with.
I apologize the people i called idiots and remain silent now until wogged. My last couple words for the town are questions. Dont you find interesting how Motep is still alive and kicking without any attacks from Jotun? If we give away the control of Holmgang as a good tool to find bad guys. We will be lacking yet another tool to win this game. Instead we just see bandwagons after bandwagons, against players that someone just have a hunch about. For example what is exactly the case against Privateerkev?
More inconsistent we play, more easy it will be for mafia to win. Ofcourse this can also make the mafia so full of Hybris that they will fall to their own smartness in the end.This coming from someone who has played the mafia side of things quite few times, with bit of success. But anyway good luck for the town, chasing down the scummy Jotuns.:yes:
I went to Valhalla???
Then the role I had claimed before can go to Valhalla too, despite my sheer combat wimpiness...
This might mean that we did not lose as many pro-town veterans/champions/roles as we thought we did, as those who were killed and were brought to Valhalla could just be townies.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
08-16-2008, 13:58
I'm here, ~:wave:, or at least I was last time I checked. Family crisis and all that blah, blah, blah :mad:
Anyway, I've got a lot of reading to do, so I'll post my opinions later. Just letting you know that I'm back for now.
~:)
Privateerkev
08-16-2008, 14:52
GH's whole case against me is that he is upset that I dared to accuse him of faking a role PM... :laugh4:
He also assumes people receive pm's the moment others send them. He also assumes reading pm's is the first thing people do when they come on the board.
His whole case is full of holes and a lot of this is sour-grapes from GH because he has been pressured to stop playing the game the way he wants to.
Motep has become unbelievably paranoid. And I think he is still bitter he got outed. Sorry, it is not my fault he got a power-town role and than disappeared for a couple days.
As for CR, he has a certain little "habit" that I am sure the God's would be most interested in. ;)
As for having "too much power concentrated in [my] hands," I have no power. The network uses me as their mouthpiece because I have already drawn attention to myself while others are still hidden.
I'm going to be gone for the day and will probably come home to see my character swinging from the gallows. So, here is my reveal so I can talk about it after I'm dead:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/human.jpg
Jardar Viking, son of a chieftain in Hordaland
You are the Champion to Haakon Jarl of Norway.
You have trained at Jomsborg and will soon serve in the Varangian guard after this meeting at Althing, Iceland.
If your King is challenged to a fight you can take his place. This is however risky as the Jotun will see that another took the king’s place.
Your King is: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Holmgang ability: 5
As for my vote, it will go to Fenring. Through the "network" that some of you are so paranoid of, I have received a role PM that Fenring is claiming as his own. I present "exhibit A."
HUMAN - Fenring
Fennir "the ringleader"
Greetings player. You have received the role of [....] and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your King is [....] and your faction is [...].
Good luck.
Duel score: [...]
The [...] are his, not mine. Compare my role PM and his and you will see that his is a total and complete fake.
vote: Fenring
Good luck town, you aren't being led astray by Jotun, but other people's acute paranoia. :bow:
GeneralHankerchief
08-16-2008, 15:14
Bad arguments, my friend.
GH's whole case against me is that he is upset that I dared to accuse him of faking a role PM...
No, you accuse me of faking a role PM when you knew at the time that there was an extremely good chance I had gotten it from Sigurd.
He also assumes people receive pm's the moment others send them. He also assumes reading pm's is the first thing people do when they come on the board.
If you didn't read the PMs before checking the thread, you wouldn't have known about my new role.
So, my Jotun friend, how about trying again? :wink:
Kralizec
08-16-2008, 15:21
This is bullcrap. Sigurd tailored the PM's to individual members and probably made a few slip ups, or maybe he did it to put people on the wrong track.
I'm not capable of forging Sigurd's writing style, and besides other war veterans would be quick to point out the difference.
I've revealed my PM to a total of four people, add to that two replies and the PM's between me and Keev after his accusation and you have all the PM's I sent and received related to this game (not counting the role PM, obviously)
If anyone cares to disprove that, be my guest. Otherwise there's no conceivable way I could have gotten my hands on a war veteran role PM (because that's what it is). Besides, if I somehow got my hands on an authentic role PM from another player why would I leave out the runes on purpose?
I know of at least one other player who didn't have runes (Pevergreen) and despite the discussion about it, he wasn't lynched. So my case is nothing new, but Keev decides to bring it up anyway.
Vote: Privateerkeev
That post just doesn't strike me as Jotun. I have seen evidence of my own that not all role PMs are consistent in nature, so this is a plausible excuse. With the silent now speaking, I shall focus on another non-speaker.
Unvote: Fenring
Vote: El Diablo
Oh, and if PK is Jotun, I'm a chihuahua.
woad&fangs
08-16-2008, 15:31
vote: privateerkev
Fenring's PM is the real deal.
Warmaster Horus
08-16-2008, 15:40
Any proof?
Vote: abstain For the moment.
woad&fangs
08-16-2008, 15:44
HUMAN
Woarm "the fangs"
Greetings player. You have received the role of War Veteran and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your Lord is Styrbjörn the Strong and your faction is Jomsborg.
Good luck.
Duel score: 4
GH should be able to confirm it also. If Shlin is still alive(I don't remember) I think he has the same role too.
Huh?
Me dead, and me not veteran.
Me just a stupid townie (I can say that because I had said this before I died).
Me confused.
Would you tell me what your new Holmgang score is, GH?
GeneralHankerchief
08-16-2008, 17:03
Five.
KukriKhan
08-16-2008, 17:23
Doesn't Crazed Rabbit do more analysis in these games? He said he's building a computer, which I can understand as eating up his discretionary time. But, when he does come into this thread, he does the absolute bare minimum to qualify as 'participation'.
So, either he's been really heavily tied-up for over a week building a (single?) computer, and hasn't read all these posts, but is trying to do his part, or...
he's hiding out, laying low, taking it on the lam; and sending in his night kill orders quietly, and at the (almost) last minute.
Or, am I out in left field on this, and he's acting normally? Anybody?
Doesn't Crazed Rabbit do more analysis in these games? He said he's building a computer, which I can understand as eating up his discretionary time. But, when he does come into this thread, he does the absolute bare minimum to qualify as 'participation'.
So, either he's been really heavily tied-up for over a week building a (single?) computer, and hasn't read all these posts, but is trying to do his part, or...
he's hiding out, laying low, taking it on the lam; and sending in his night kill orders quietly, and at the (almost) last minute.
Or, am I out in left field on this, and he's acting normally? Anybody?
He said he didn't sleep a lot and had two ten-hour shifts within a short time etc, look into the hardware thread about his new computer it's all there.
Well, I would unvote GH now but due to a lack of alternatives I'm not sure who to switch to, maybe Pkev again? Or perhaps this idler with that kinda demonish name or so, let me look...
....ah yes, so...
Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: El Diablo
Craterus
08-16-2008, 18:05
Fenring and woad, why do your PMs refer to duels when Sigurd has called them Holmgangs everywhere else? Inconsistency that makes me think you two may be two of the Jotun and have fabricated identical PMs that support each other.
Anyway, I think El Diablo is also a good lynch. He's been very low-key and uncontroversial, I couldn't tell you a single thing he's said (I didn't even think he'd posted but he's avoided the WoG so I assume he has).
Anyway, I believe PK to be innocent and the town is making yet another mistake. Unbelievable.
KukriKhan
08-16-2008, 18:21
Tally (as of post #984):
P-Kev 5(GH, Motep, CrzRbt, Fenring, w&f)
Fenring 2(Craterus, P-kev)
El Diablo 4(Ichigo, disco1, TinCow, Husar)
abstain 1(WarmasterH)
--edit--
He said he didn't sleep a lot and had two ten-hour shifts within a short time etc, look into the hardware thread about his new computer it's all there.
Yeah, that checks out. Looks like his newborn comp drew its first breath yesterday, noonish, his time. I forgive, for now.
Meanwhile, I'll jump on the El Diablo case, just to make the vote interesting.
vote: El Diablo
He has a little over an hour to explain himself, or my vote stands.
New Tally (as of #985):
P-Kev 5(GH, Motep, CrzRbt, Fenring, w&f)
Fenring 2(Craterus, P-kev)
El Diablo 5(Ichigo, disco1, TinCow, Husar, Kukri)
Craterus
08-16-2008, 20:41
Well, I'll break the tie and do us all a favour.
While I'm not entirely sure El Diablo is guilty, he's a better lynch than PKev.
unvote: Fenring
vote: El Diablo
Tally (based on Kukri's):
P-Kev 5(GH, Motep, CrzRbt, Fenring, w&f)
Fenring 1( P-kev)
El Diablo 6(Ichigo, disco1, TinCow, Husar, Kukri, Craterus)
KukriKhan
08-16-2008, 20:51
*Tick-Toc* El Diablo. Tempus fugit.
---------- Voting closed -----------
Writeup follows :mean:
I have a bad feeling about this lynch...
Hopefully, that feeling is proven wrong.
Round 4 completion
The Jomsviking camp was in an uproar when they found one of their men with his head nearly twisted off. They hurried towards the Thing centre where they knew they would find the law speaker. They were met by another group also on their way to the law speaker. They too looked furious. They exchanged glances and words on the way in to the centre. They too had lost a man during the night.
When they finally reached the law speaker, he turned around and said: “Let me guess, someone was poisoned this night too?”. The Dane spokesman looked at the brothers of Jom and turned to the law speaker: “There is a dwarf running around the camp. We suspect it is him that has poisoned our men. But somehow, he is no where to be found at dawn. We are executing good men when we should be on the outlook for a short person.” The law speaker put a finger on his temple: “And what about you?” The Jomsviking spokes person looked incredulous at the Danes: “One of our men was found with a broken neck. It couldn’t have been a dwarf, because our man was dragged up from his bedroll into the air by someone very strong; strong enough to break a man’s neck one handed”.
The law speaker cringed. This was what he had feared a while now. “It seems, dear kings men and brothers of Jom, that we have been infiltrated by evil; known to some as Jotun”. The men from the two camps made gestures of wards against evil, while panic painted their faces. Go men to the camps and gather votes. We need to ferret out this evil. Think of whom in your groups is behaving suspiciously and might hide their true nature. Take the tally to me and we will question the candidate with most votes.
The men went and a few hours later returned together with the rest of the retinues. A man called KurkiKhan delivered the tally to the law speaker.
“Is this the man you all agree could be the perpetrator?” “Yes, they answered”. Some where silent and apparently didn’t quite agree, but the majority of votes had picked out El Diablo. The law speaker looked around and with the guidance of KukriKhan located him. “Seize that man”. Two big battle trained men went and grabbed El Diablo in his tunic. El Diablo twisted and in a flash produced two dirks which he stabbed into the men’s throats. TevashSzat and Quintus.J.Cicero dropped to the ground trying to hold their life blood from spilling. KukriKhan moved fast and punched his longsword through El Diablo’s heart. El Diablo died instantly without a sound.
TevashSzat and Quintus could not help dying from blood loss and darkness soon overtook them.
They were surprised when moments later they rode side by side with each an incredible beautiful woman sitting before them. They looked briefly at each other and smiled. It didn’t matter that they were from different kingdoms. Here in the afterlife, they knew they would be close friends.
Tally
El Diablo : 6 (Craterus, disco, Husar, Ichigo, KukriKhan, TinCow)
Privateerkev : 5 (CR, Fenring, GH, Motep, w&f)
Fenring : 1 (PK)
Abstain : 1 (Warmaster)
Not voting : 11 (El Diablo, Curio, Kage, LG, Omanes, pever, Prole, Quintus, Sarathos, Seamus, TevashSzat)
Killed: (5)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Killed by Holmgang: (3)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
Lynched: (4)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
WoG: (3)
scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Living: (21)
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Omanes Alexandrapolites
pevergreen
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
Don't forget to send me PMs people... :whip:
Deadline at 2000 GMT Sunday 17th of August.
El Diablo could fight and there is no indication that he went to Valhalla. Could we have gotten lucky here?
KukriKhan
08-16-2008, 22:32
It's looking that way, I think.
Now: who's the little guy with the poison?
I think it was more a convenient way to WoG some people rather than showing he had fighting skills, besides a lot of humans were good fighters too, not just the Jotun.
Although this does not help with rooting out the Jotun...
This is the 2nd straight round with at least 10 no votes. If more gets WoG-ed, we're likely to lose track of the number of Kings, warriors, and/or Jotun...
...
I'd prefer the Jotun win by staying one step in front of the town, rather than win with good help from WoG
I am unsure about the results of the lynch...
At any rate, these WoG's have to stop. They are doing considerable harm to the town, and making the job for the Jotun that much easier.
Screw it...Challenge: PK
I wouldn't be too worried about the voting situation. Mafia games always seem to have a dip in activity on weekends. I expect we'll see it pick up again once the weekend is over.
Tratorix
08-17-2008, 04:06
I am unsure about the results of the lynch...
At any rate, these WoG's have to stop. They are doing considerable harm to the town, and making the job for the Jotun that much easier.
Screw it...Challenge: PK
:laugh4:
Why do you think PK is Jotun all of a sudden? I don't get where this is coming from.
:laugh4:
Why do you think PK is Jotun all of a sudden? I don't get where this is coming from.
He is the ehad of a secret organization in here that is trying to get me to reveal those who I know are innocent. Not only that, but the leader keps bugging me on the chat...
GeneralHankerchief
08-17-2008, 04:38
Oh wait, I'm eligible.
Challenge: Privateerkev
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