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That would only leave Tyr and Thor
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 03:18
Or we have more than three Jotun.
Has Sigurd specifically said only three Jotun?
CR
Curio and LG can be vouched for by their abilities
I can vouch for TC and Husar, and they can do the same for me
Crate and PK can vouch for each other
Disco and Motep can vouch for each other...
No he didn't specify
Curio: Thor
Little Grizzly: Tyr (and just about the only person left alive that I have no doubts over)
Husar: Champion
PrivateerKev: Champion
Tincow: Champion
Discovery1:Champion
Motep: King
Craterus: King
Ichigo: King
Sarathos: Guilty
This is not entirely accurate. I remember reading someplace, either in the QT forum or via PM, that disco had claimed to have been promoted to a Lord.
Everyone now has someone vouching for them, and all roles have been disclosed, so someone is lying and has produced a fake role PM. In my mind, the only people who are currently innocent are the Gods and the people that Tyr has cleared. The rest of us are guilty until proven innocent. Craterus is possibly the only exception to this, though if Sigurd went so far as to provide Jotun with townie role PMs, then he may have allowed Jotun to fake an attack on themselves. Given the number of pro-town roles in this game, that might have been allowed to balance things out.
Regardless, I am going to challenge PK or Motep in this coming phase. None of the three of us have fought in a Holmgang, and LG can confirm whether any survivor is innocent or not. I am open to suggestions about which of the two is a better choice.
[edit] PK suggests that I challenge him, so that will probably be my choice.
Privateerkev
08-22-2008, 03:33
I said this in the QT but I'll say it in here now.
I am leaving tomorrow morning for two days. I'll be back sunday. The LotR people can confirm this.
So, if anyone is going to be challenged, it should probably be me. That way, if I die, at least we don't lose an active member this weekend. For two days I'll basically be "deadweight" since I won't be able to vote or anything.
We're in the "endgame" now so we need the people who are alive to be active. :bow:
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 03:39
No, someone besides PK should be involved in the Holmgang.
CR
seireikhaan
08-22-2008, 03:40
:no:
Something about this isn't sitting well with me. I've got a feeling the pro-town group is gimp.
Privateerkev
08-22-2008, 03:42
Nah, I want to be in this one the more I think about it.
Let TC challenge me and don't water it down. In fact, I ask that LG bless TC this turn.
See, I might not be able to make the next vote. I don't know when I'm coming home Sunday. We need active voters.
This is much better than "suicide" or "wog". By doing this, I'll prove both TC and I are innocent. :2thumbsup:
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 03:43
If Grizzly is innocent.
CR
Privateerkev
08-22-2008, 03:47
His role PM is a little elaborate to make up.
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 03:58
True - but you are one of the few people I know not to be Jotun. We need to put more thought into this.
CR
LittleGrizzly
08-22-2008, 04:00
The main proof i can offer is the people i have cleared and the people i haven't.
pevergreen
08-22-2008, 05:13
I think LG is faking it.
I am 99% sure Sarathos is innocent, skilled at fighting, but nothing more.
GeneralHankerchief
08-22-2008, 06:41
Sigurd could have supplied Grizz a Tyr PM. Maybe he's the Jotun Detective.
LG was protected two nights ago when there was two kills, which would mean we'd have to have three Jotun left.
Plus Sigurd giving someone a God PM is going a little far don't you think?
LG was protected two nights ago when there was two kills, which would mean we'd have to have three Jotun left.
Plus Sigurd giving someone a God PM is going a little far don't you think?
In this current situation, it would be strange not to think this possibility, either a couple of Jotun have created decent Role PMs, or were given one by GameMaster Sigurd. But before all that we should check first if it's a townie victory after Sarathos is lynched.
If it does not end then...
R6 - GaiusSC and Kukri were attacked (2 Jotun at least)
Since then, CrazedRabbit (lynched), Warmaster Horus (Holmgang) and Fenring (drank spit - eew) were killed.
WHorus and Fenring are innocent, and CR was the young speaker (likely not Jotun, right?).
If all 3 are innocnet, and everybody else has claimed innocent by revealing, would this indeed imply a Jotun with a fake PM?
1 Jotun if a fake god, 2 if a fake King-Champion duo, 3 if.... awww Hel no...
Sarathos
08-22-2008, 09:47
Alas, my time is done. But do not think in my adsence the town safe.
There are more among you, and soon you shall see......*evil laughter*
Btw, for the record: I never got a PM about those numbers, that part was the truth.
pevergreen
08-22-2008, 11:36
Says the man franticly claiming to me as I read this thread that he is town.
"OMG pev im town! Sif they lynch me! OMG im *role*"
"But Sarathos, you said you were *role*"
"Yeah i am. IM TOWN *assorted ramblings*
This conversation never happened.
FactionHeir
08-22-2008, 12:33
I think LG is faking it.
I am 99% sure Sarathos is innocent, skilled at fighting, but nothing more.
That's the most scummy post from pever I ever read. He always says Sarathos is guilty otherwise :grin:
KukriKhan
08-22-2008, 13:27
Well, a couple of things are clear (but only a couple):
1) there were darn few plain vanilla townie roles
2) One, and maybe 2 Jotun have successfully infiltrated "the network".
It's too bad the puzzle/code thing didn't work out as helpful. Maybe we'll see otherwise in the endgame writeup.
Good luck town. Really. It sounds like the network should re-look at the string of 'vouches' to find the bad guy(s).
FactionHeir
08-22-2008, 14:39
Gaius' reveal has a lot of errors in it and if its a quote, then why is there only /font but no font? And why are all the tags in small letter rather than caps, which Sigurd actually uses...
Warmaster Horus
08-22-2008, 14:53
Well then, I guess you've got at least one player up for the holmgang tonight.
Eh, what? :dizzy2:
Oh and a question: Was anyone promoted to Champion before GH and perhaps told him about it? Or when GH said he was a new swedish champion, was he perhaps not referring to Motep as his king?
Warmaster Horus
08-22-2008, 14:57
If Gaius' reveal looks scummy, like FH seems to think, then he should be in there, no?
Craterus
08-22-2008, 14:59
If Gaius' reveal looks scummy, like FH seems to think, then he should be in there, no?
Funnily enough, the people that Gaius said would be protected by Thor (receive a hammer amulet) have been consistently protected. Is that pure luck? Somehow, I don't think so.
The town really needs to stop pointing fingers, I think the game will end after Sarathos and can't really see where the network has gone wrong. How about we all reassess after the lynch write up?
FactionHeir
08-22-2008, 15:05
He could just not attack or intentionally fail?
LittleGrizzly
08-22-2008, 15:11
No, people have consistently got protection pm's when he said he was going to protect them, either a lot of people are lieing about thor protecting them (which i don't see a good reason for) or gaius has some kind of super jotun role where he has perfect cover as a fake god which includes fake protections (to the point where craterus survived a broken neck a night or 2 back)
In other words im 100% sure gaius is thor...
I do think there is another Jotun after sarathos, various people have come to the conclusion that there must be 2 Jotun left (because of amount of kills) and the fact is thor blocked sarathos last night, he is a jotun who was unable to kill but there was a kill last night, thus there must be a jotun or at least a sk after sarathos..
I have this feeling that we are screwed. :dizzy2:
Tratorix
08-22-2008, 18:09
I have this feeling that we are screwed. :dizzy2:
:yes: I've got the same feeling I had in Netherworld mafia just before Tincow's second mafia group won the game.
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Thor3.jpg
Round 7 Conclusion
Not many men where left at Althing and this morning was especially bad for the Rus. Another man had been found dead and he was the last of the Rus contingent.
The Danes had been all killed a few nights back and the remainder of the Kingdoms consisted of men from Sweden, Norway and Jomsborg; except one. Sarathos was the last man from Jorvik and he was singled out as the last possible suspect. The rest of the men had confidence in the innocence of each other. They voted by putting their right hand to the square and it was unanimous. Only Sarathos abstained and laughed at them: “You think you can kill me? Well think again fools”. Before their eyes he revealed his true nature. The battle hardened Jorvik warrior transformed into a hideous beast, easily 8 feet if not more. “MUHAHAHHAAHAAA, Come and take me puny little mortals, I have killed your kind since the day you first appeared here in Midgard. Heh! I have even off’d a few of those you worship. The terrible smile of white fangs appeared as Sarathos contemplated on whom to crush first. He picked up a boulder that easily weighed nearly as much as a longship and threw it at a group of men who a few moments stood frozen with fear looking at this dark shape that blotted out the sun falling towards them. Suddenly it exploded and showered them with pebbles.
“Enough!!!” the booming and unnatural sound came from behind them and as they turned, they saw a tall and seemingly very strong being with red flowing hair. His countenance was beautiful but at the same time intimidating. Power radiated from him and they knew that this was an Æsir. A battle hammer retuned to his massive hand and he continued: “I have come to remove thee, Rungne. This is Midgard and thou belongst not here. Take thy hideous face into thy own kingdom and let these be. They have no quarrel with thee, but I might if thou doth not flee.” The large Jotun looked a little surprised. “So Thor, you have come to save these insignificant mortals? What makes you think you can stop me?” The remainder of the men slowly backed away from the path between Thor and Rungne. “I brought Mjølnir giant, my long time friend will see thee to Hel”. Sarathos moved unnaturally fast and the mortal eyes of the men around could just see a blur. Sarathos grabbed the stone with the runes and threw it at Thor. The power was so great behind that throw that Thor barely got his hammer up in defence. The boom that came from the hammer splitting the stone was so great that several of the men watching the standoff lost their hearing temporarily. Blood gushed from their ears and they fell to their knees. One of the pieces hit Thor’s forehead and he stumbled. He was obviously shaken and went down on one knee. Sarathos smiled his evil grin and moved slowly over to where Thor sat shaking his head. The stone was enhanced by magic and it would have killed an Æsir had it hit with full force. Sarathos picked up one of the pieces and was about to knock Thor over the head with it … when suddenly he felt a shearing pain in his torso. He looked down onto a blade that had pierced his heart. “What?” He turned and faltered. The being standing there behind him looked at Sarathos with stern eyes. “I am Tyr, I could not behold the killing of Thor, the greatest of Æsir warriors. Now begone Rungne. We would not have thee here any longer.” Rungne’s eyes widened: “Ty… ?” The Jotun slumped to the ground and was still.
The new revealed being walked over to Thor and knelt beside him. “Come on old friend, thou doth need some rest”.
Sarathos found himself in another place and the air smelt nice. The ground was littered with flowers and he looked around. A woman’s voice was heard behind him: “Champion! I am glad to see thee”. Sarathos turned and looked into a pair of beautiful eyes. “Come, let me take thee home”.
Tally
Sarathos: 9 (Craterus, disco, Gaius, Husar, Ichigo, LG, Motep, PK, TinCow)
Not voting : 1 (Sarathos)
Killed: (8)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)
Fenring (R7)
Killed in Holmgang: (6)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)
Warmaster Horus (R6)
Lynched: (7)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)
Crazed Rabbit (R6)
Sarathos (R7)
WoG: (6)
scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)
Living: (9)
Craterus
discovery1
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
TinCow
PMs must be in by 2000 GMT Saturday 23rd of August (Deadline)
seireikhaan
08-22-2008, 21:32
Hmm... Now what?
So either we have to wait until nothing happens during the night, or I have no idea what to do. :shrug:
This does clear a few roles though, basically those of Thor and Tyr. also note the picture, seems to mean that the Jotun are gone.
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 22:20
So LG is telling the truth - good.
And Jotun can go to Valhalla? Or the meadow with the maiden, at least.
So only those who have been attacked or are claiming to be Thor or Tyr can be trusted, really.
I think even having a person vouch for you doesn't mean you're innocent. Kings could probably be assured of being innocent, but I would not be sure of their men.
So we have to do now what the townie network is so terrible at; rely not on behind the scenes connections but on analysis of players to determine the two most suspicious people and pit them together in Holmgang.
Let Tyr watch and see if they are Jotun.
The fact that the townie network had a lot of communication behind closed doors isn't going to help us, since its obvious the Jotun is someone that was vouched for.
That's what you do.
CR
Challenge: Privateerkev
Let's see what happens.
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 22:27
Way to talk that one over.
:wall:
CR
There's nothing to talk over. It was either Motep or PK. There are arguments both ways, but if there are Jotun still alive this strikes me as a situation which is very similar to Taormina, in which PK completely fooled me the entire game. It could be Motep, but my money is on PK so that is my decision.
So LG is telling the truth - good.
And Jotun can go to Valhalla? Or the meadow with the maiden, at least.
So only those who have been attacked or are claiming to be Thor or Tyr can be trusted, really.
I think even having a person vouch for you doesn't mean you're innocent. Kings could probably be assured of being innocent, but I would not be sure of their men.
So we have to do now what the townie network is so terrible at; rely not on behind the scenes connections but on analysis of players to determine the two most suspicious people and pit them together in Holmgang.
Let Tyr watch and see if they are Jotun.
The fact that the townie network had a lot of communication behind closed doors isn't going to help us, since its obvious the Jotun is someone that was vouched for.
That's what you do.
CR
I assume they went to Hel like in the last game.
Yes, we've already established that.
We've been doing that all along...
If Tyr lives.
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 22:39
But only the echo chamber of the townie network can read what you guys wrote in your QT forum.
But anyways, let it be PK and Tincow.
CR
I've seen far more evidence suggesting that PK is innocent than Motep, he even had Jesus find him innocent...
Crazed Rabbit
08-22-2008, 22:46
Mmm, no.
I found that PK had a necklace as he said, with XY on it.
I found that Sarathos had info on the Jotun, but Sarathos denied it when I questioned him, and that was how I knew he was guilty.
CR
GeneralHankerchief
08-22-2008, 22:51
Dudes, trust me on this. Motep is innocent.
The problem is, a certain someone is connected with Motep as far as I know, so if GH vouches for them he would also be Jotun, that would make four of them. If Pkev is Jotun then a certain someone else has to be Jotun as well and we would still be facing two of them.
OR
We only have a serial killer left which may be some kind of "sidequest" of some other role, say, the champion of Lord XY is a bit nuts and wants to be the only one alive and rule over all norse.
OR
We get no kills tonight and Sigurd announces that the town won but either TinCow or Pkev won't be alive anymore. :laugh4:
I can, as the king of Sweeden, vouch for Disco and GH, my champions.
So..at least two Jotun confirmed dead?
But only the echo chamber of the townie network can read what you guys wrote in your QT forum.
I am perfectly fine with posting the URL to that forum. I suggested it on there a while ago. PK was the one who preferred to keep it secret.
Crazed Rabbit
08-23-2008, 00:32
I think that'd be a good idea.
CR
seireikhaan
08-23-2008, 00:33
Indeed. Lets see it.
I don't see why we should. All they've done is insult us this entire time. What a waste of time.
http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/msWHRHLPqXM
Apologies to any of the townie network that disagrees with me publicizing this, but I agree with the rest that it's for the good of us all. Everything of any importance has already been disclosed in there anyway.
Warmaster Horus
08-23-2008, 00:41
Finally. Let's see what probably got infiltrated.
Crazed Rabbit
08-23-2008, 00:44
I don't see why we should. All they've done is insult us this entire time. What a waste of time.
And all you guys have done is lynch Loki and me instead of a Jotun.
CR
And all you guys have done is lynch Loki and me instead of a Jotun.
CR
Yes, and the town has lynched: Odin and Tratorix
glyphz: 12 (Andres, Eliit, Fenring, GH, Ichigo, Kukri, LG, PK, Seamus, shlin, TinCow, Warmaster)
Oh look at that three of us... We didn't force anyone to lynch anyone. We gave you what we had on Loki and the "town" decided to lynch Loki. We aren't even sure Loki was pro-town anyways.
All we've done is give you guys information, you're trying to blame a few people for what everyone has done.
I still say lynching Loki was the right thing to do at the time. There was no possible way to trust that role.
FactionHeir
08-23-2008, 01:02
I'm thinking the game isn't over because either the dwarf needs to be killed too, or only one faction may be alive. Note that the reason of this meeting is the dispute between Norway and Sweden.
GeneralHankerchief
08-23-2008, 01:02
Don't act so innocent. PK outed Loki and you guys led the charge on his lynching.
Warmaster Horus
08-23-2008, 01:08
Hey, Loki was a fair lynch. There were other stuff though. Not letting CR have a chance at revealing his identity, though...
I'll admit, I jumped on more than one bandwagon, but complaining about Loki's lynching is wrong. He's a trickster, and the way Glyphz acted we couldn't know what was going to happen.
Don't act so innocent. PK outed Loki and you guys led the charge on his lynching.
Yes, and you Holmganged a townie because you were bored...
Craterus
08-23-2008, 01:33
This just sums up the problems with the town. Such rubbish.
Firstly, the dispute is between Norway and Denmark. And the Danes are all dead, the last write up even said so but the network knew a long time ago.
Also, I asked for only one rule when we started the network. My my, how such things are forgotten. This was all so unnecessary.
And by the by, the network was good. It worked. Might be worth looking at who we didn't lynch rather than who we did. Because we're at the end game with 2 gods and 4 lords. Not doing so badly, eh?
I'm sure I don't need to remind you but prior to the original four participants talking (that is: myself, PK, TinCow and Ichigo), the town had lynched a God and a Lord. So a tiny part of me thinks that it might have been necessary to get some mutual awareness between the powertown roles so that they would stop lynching each other.
Furthermore, you'll notice the stupidity of tonight's Holmgang considering these were the starting four, way before the cries of 'infiltration!'.
seireikhaan
08-23-2008, 01:36
A few things still bugging me: WHY KILL FENRING? Why was he killed? That still makes no logical sense, even for a new mafioso, and I'd be willing to bet that the mafioso had at least one experienced player on its team. If Fenring was indeed innocent, why would any half smart mafioso kill him?
The answer? They wouldn't.
However... A third party just might. The death of a prime lynch target at night would theoretically lead to one conclusion: That the town has some kind of vigelante, or hired killer. However, I somehow doubt that, because the dwarf has been killing all game long. Which brings me to a further point: Why would a Jotun disguise himself as a dwarf? A regular man, sure. But for a mighty Jotun to disguise himself as a dwarf, a tiny person, is frankly ridiculous by my judgement. It would be too disgraceful for a mighty Jotun to lower themself to such a standard, even if to accomplish their goal.
There has to be a third party at work here. A third party which might not have to worry about being lynched, a third party that feels extremely secure. And I think that third party has infiltrated the town network. Look amonst yourselves, through all the PMs and the quicktopic. Someone's playing you.
My suspects: TinCow and PrivateerKev.
PK, to be honest, you've been on my radar for a while now. Something has twigged my alarm radar, but I kept hit hidden for a while to try and make sure I didn't blow anything for a pro-town role, and to gather more info.
TC- Lets be honest, you're very, very good at it. I'm going to be honest- your behavior strikes me similar to your behavior as Hades, though you obviously didn't claim quite as powerful as a role. You're being out of your way to "help" the town cause. Bear in mind, you disclosed a quicktopic thread in that game once it had run its usefulness out, much like the quicktopic has now in this game.
If I had to pick a target for lynch next round, it would be TinCow.
GeneralHankerchief
08-23-2008, 01:45
Okay, for the last time:
a) I challenged FH to Holmgang because, at the time, he was considered suspicious.
b) Are you truly comparing the death of a townie to that of a God?
I am, he is not proven as a protown role.
Crazed Rabbit
08-23-2008, 03:24
My role knows more about history than any other mortal - so if my role thought the dwarf was a Jotun, then I'd put some weight in that.
CR
With the game seemingly unfinished and the dwarf with the STD (Spit-Transmitted DEATH:ahh:) still on the loose, the network's plan (using Holmgang, in conjunction with Tyr and Thor) sounds sensible, unless something better can be thought up
Hey, Loki was a fair lynch. There were other stuff though. Not letting CR have a chance at revealing his identity, though...
I'll admit, I jumped on more than one bandwagon, but complaining about Loki's lynching is wrong. He's a trickster, and the way Glyphz acted we couldn't know what was going to happen.
I'm more into rooting out the Jotun. 'Cause looking back ...I agree that Loki was the best lynch target. Fair?
Just to clear something
The way I role-played, bluffing that Loki could choose sides, only looked like I was shooting my own foot. ( now that you know that Loki was supposed to be 100% pro-town ...whether you believe it or still don't:dozey:)
The only reason I acted thus, was because Loki was revealed, and could already predict who'll be getting the most votes, anyway. I just decided to go out with a 'splash,' and not completely waste a good role.
Now if Loki was given a chance to work with the town, I'm sure you'd find him more cooperative and understanding.
Less confusing, cryptic? Yes.
Less 'loud'? A tad less arrogant (or 'annoying')?
Unlikely.
...
...
(On the public thread at least :P)
If Loki remained hidden, he'd still be dead anyway, judging from the way the network treated CR. Loki would balk at the possibility of revealing to another Aesir, as the role states. ("Someone you fear." ) I thought Heimdall, but no Heimdall here. It seems Loki has a good reason to fear somthing else... midgets that like to ruin good liquor
...and a date with the reaper:fainting:
If he refuses to reveal to the network = lynch votes.
If he openly revealed he was Loki, alarms and suspicions would be raised ...eventually = lynch votes.
(too much dependence on MS I script, but that's a natural way of approaching MS II)
Loki is dead once publicly revealed. Period.
I'm not into bashing the 'network,' as now I can see how, if played well and not infiltrated, can assure a townie victory.
The only gripe that I see is tension with other townie roles, those kept in the dark and certain unique roles (Loki and CR's).
If you are innocent, and consider revealing to a network not in your best interest (playing style or any other reasons), the mafia is not the only guys you should end up fearing...
.
Concerning Pkev and TinCow, they both have a lord claiming them to be their champion, with TinCow I'd even say it is waterproof because that lord is my lord and Sigurd specifically named him.
And one thing that intrigues me is where Craterus got those 4 alive lords from? If I am counting correctly, there are only 3 left unless someone claimed a lord as his champion in which case it would be about time to tell us because that sort of thing is absolutely not waterproof at all kinda like, you know....
I've been thinking about this for a while now and looking around a bit.
You've got Husar's role:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/human.jpg
Huggne "The Saxon"
Your role is War Veteran. You serve the Lord of Jomsborg. You feel patriotic towards your faction and will rejoice at the other factions misfortune should they be killed either by Holmgang or Jotun. Your duty to your king and the Allthing is to find and promptly execute the Jotun that hides in the King’s retinues during the day phase of the game. During the night phase and starting in round 2, you will be able to show off your skills with the sword and challenge any other player to a Holmgang.
May the Gods be with you.
Holmgang ability: 5
Sarathos's role:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/human.jpg
Sander "the southener"
Your role is War Veteran. You serve the King of Jorvik. You feel patriotic towards your faction and will rejoice at the other factions misfortune should they be killed either by Holmgang or Jotun. Your duty to your king and the Allthing is to find and promptly execute the Jotun that hides in the King’s retinues during the day phase of the game. During the night phase and starting in round 2, you will be able to show off your skills with the sword and challenge any other player to a Holmgang.
May the Gods be with you.
Holmgang ability: 5
and pever's role (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1988594&postcount=538):
HUMAN
Peder "the new"
Greetings player, you have pulled the role of townie out of my hat and you will be hunting Jotun in this game. During the day phase you will participate by voting for a candidate you believe might be Jotun. Use the form described in the opening post in the game thread. During the night phase you can challenge players to a duel. This is also described in the opening post.
Duel score: X
Notice something similar? They all have blue. Now my PM doesn't have any blue in it and neither does TC's. None of them do. I just ignored it at first as nothing much, but now after reading Wikipedia, and seeing that Hel is described as:
She is half blue-black and half flesh-color
Hel is the woman who rides away with Warluster in Midgard I.
Now this wouldn't bother me so much, but pever rides away on a horse with a beauty:
Pever found himself behind an incredible beauty on a horse galloping through the sky.
Pever claimed he was a townie, and last game townie's didn't go to Valhalla. They went the way of El Diablo, Kage, Omanes, etc. to nowhere. Warluster's death scene from Midgard I:
Warluster was greeted by a sweet woman’s voice and the scent of fresh air: “Welcome strong one, I will take care of you.”
Warluster was Jotun, but I think this particular write-up has already been posted in the thread. It's there to prove a point. Townies don't go to Valhalla, they don't go anywhere, which doesn't match up with pever's death.
I'm wanting to see what you guys think about all this, and if maybe there is something behind all this insanity I'm spewing. I don't know it just all seems like too much of a coincidence.
Ichigo
I PMed this to the townie group a couple of days ago. Since Sarathos was Jotun it seems to hold a little more weight now. Plus, pever defending Sarathos in the thread before he was lynched.
I've also been thinking that Tyr may only be able to see who the Jotun is if he chooses to bless one of the people that end up being Holmganged.
There is a small flaw here my friends, my lord Ichigo should have a confirmation from Sigurd that I became his champion and the PM he just posted I gave to ONE person with an agreement that it stays between me and that person. Well, the person handed it on, obviously including my oh so superawesome secret Holmgang score that he just posted and now I am pissed.
Challenge: Motep
Someone will die tonight and I want some action even if it costs my life.
Next game do not expect any reveals from me. :shame:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-23-2008, 11:29
Ok, we have some things sorted out then, Sarathos was indeed Jotun.
Since the game isn't over yet there must be some secondary objective, or a Jotun is still alive.
As I said I gave Sarathos an amulet last night and according to Sigurd this would stop him from killing. Since the only kill was by the dwarf, and there was that epic battle (OOC: I thought that was awesome, great write-up Sigurd!!!) with the wolf creature, then the dwarf would probably still be alive.
I have a really busy schedule this weekend, and any really serious thought will have to wait until Monday.
I don't want to reveal who I protect tonight as it is likely that any remaining killers would avoid them like the plague.
Will see you tomorrow.
Curio
Sarathos
08-23-2008, 12:42
Says the man franticly claiming to me as I read this thread that he is town.
"OMG pev im town! Sif they lynch me! OMG im *role*"
"But Sarathos, you said you were *role*"
"Yeah i am. IM TOWN *assorted ramblings*
This conversation never happened.
Objection Your Honour: Relevance...?
Btw Ichigo, my role was never blue, it was green.
LittleGrizzly
08-23-2008, 19:06
Just to let you know im still alive, crazy friday.
Anyway challenges so far are
Tincow Vs PK
Husar Vs Motep
I would rather Husar didn't challenge as i already know he's an innocent, but eh too late know.....
I've also been thinking that Tyr may only be able to see who the Jotun is if he chooses to bless one of the people that end up being Holmganged.
It could be, as sarathos was the first fight i got my blessing in, but my role pm would seem to indicate otherwise....
Sorry for the short post, busy weekend, im just waiting for the holmgang, ill try to make it back here in about 6-7 hours...
----------- Night time concluded ------------
Writeup in a few...
Round 8
The few remaining men of the kingdoms were all in a state of shock. Here among them at Althing Iceland creatures from beyond Midgard had appeared and fought. They still had problems with their hearing after Thor’s block of the rune stone. Who would have thought Sarathos was a creature from Jotunheim? What could have brought this upon them? Why were the Jotun so interested in this Thing meeting? As they started to talk among themselves they got afraid. What would this do to their chances with the afterlife? Had this spoiled their seat at Odin’s table? First the Christians then the Jotun and now Æsir getting hurt. This could very well bring Odin’s wrath upon them.
This was Jomsborg’s fault or rather them taking Bluetooth’s offer. Had they not attacked Norway, they wouldn’t have been here in the first place. The Joms objected. Had it not been for the stubborn Haakon Jarl of Norway, Bluethooth wouldn’t have hired them to “make” him comply. Privateerkev, a Norwegian warrior didn’t like those words at all, well, the words he thought he heard. “We have the right not to be ruled over by some Dane. And we proved it by trashing you Jomsvikings with an army of peasants. Bluethooth might have put Haakon as a puppet Lord of the Norwegians, but he has shown that he can fill the role as a leader of a sovereign nation. It was the Danes that brought this on us with the help of the Joms”. TinCow was not at all happy for taking the blame for this misfortune. “More talk about Jomsborg being deceitful would warrant a Holmgang, friend”. Privateerkev was not amused. “Ah, so the joms have no counter argument? I guess they are all muscle and no intellect after all. I have traveled the world, friend, and I have learned a few things. Battle is all about intellect and not of brute strength. I would be happy to teach you a thing or two event though it goes against my beliefs”. TinCow drew his sword and took a battle stance. “Show me some of this intellect before it spills to the ground. Privateerkev drew his as well and took his battle stance. TinCow was clearly the bigger man, but Privateerkev seemed more skilled with the blade. TinCow slashed at PK’s ribs and the cut was powerful enough to cut any man open even with leather amour. But PK was agile and danced away from it. PK made his attack and it was a blade master’s show of attack combinations. TinCow tried to block but was less successful. He received several cuts and gashes. TinCow was trying to defend himself as best as he could against PK’s onslaught. TinCow tried to shift the fight into his favour by using his brute strength. He lashed out against PK with a overhand slash from left to right. PK did block it but didn’t see the TinCow’s left fist that followed the sword. PK saw stars as something heavy hit his chin. There was a moment of disorientation before he got his bearings again. This time PK went crazy. The skills he showed were combinations originating from all over the world and TinCow had trouble countering. PK got in a slash against TinCow’s ribcage and a deep cut in this thigh. TinCow was losing and he knew it. PK was hammering his sword against TinCow’s and TinCow found himself with one knee on the ground taking a beating. Suddenly TinCow jerked to the side and PK’s sword hit the ground hard. PK regained his footing fast and twirled to try taking off TinCow’s head. TinCow had expected this and met the blade with his strongest blow. PK’s blade broke in half and TinCow followed with a slash that nearly cut PK in twain.
Darkness surrounded Privateerkev and he found no comfort in it. He saw a light and drifted towards it. Seeing the light filled him with hope. As he entered the light he found peace and was greeted by people he had met in the life. This was a place of comfort and he didn’t miss his mortal guise.
The mighty Thor (Gaius) lay resting against a boulder and his head hurt. The men from the kingdoms had all fallen asleep … well they tried to sleep. Some found it because of exhaustion; others looked up into a night sky that didn’t really fill with stars. Some lights could be seen but that was the exception.
It was hard to gather his thoughts as his head was still ringing from being hit by that enchanted rock.
A chill crept up on him and he didn’t realise the danger until it was too late. He, an Æsir should not feel cold and this could only mean that someone was conjuring black magic in the vicinity. He tried to get up but couldn’t move. He tried to reach out to his hammer and by it throw this spell away, but his hand couldn’t move. A dwarf like being appeared and climbed up on Thor’s chest: “So the mighty Thor and that other so called Æsir decided to off my brother in full view of these mortals. It was not particular nice to stab someone in the back. Unfortunately he was not able to get you before, but I am not as clumsy as he was. The ability to stay hidden and not draw attention is a skill many of us have not yet learned. I will send you home where my brother failed to do so. Rungne was an exeptable loss and will not change what has been put into motion here. Neither you, or that other can do anything to stop us now. Our mission will succeed. Ragnarok will be a reality and you can tell that father of yours when you see him that I will be warming my hands on the burning Yggdrasil. So sayeth Vafþrúðnir.
The dwarf pulled out a vial and poured it into Thor’s throat. The taste was foul and he could sense it had magical attributes.
The world turned and he was no longer in Midgard. The hammer was lost and it would take days before it would return to him.
Damn… outsmarted by Jotun, twice. This was embarrassing.
He filled his lungs with air and roared to the sky. The sound was so terrifying that several members of the wildlife in a few miles radius fell to the ground dead with heart failure.
Killed: (9)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)
Fenring (R7)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (R8)
Killed in Holmgang: (7)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)
Warmaster Horus (R6)
Privateerkev (R7)
Lynched: (7)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)
Crazed Rabbit (R6)
Sarathos (R7)
WoG: (6)
scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)
Living: (7)
Craterus
discovery1
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
TinCow
Voting will end at 2000 GMT Sunday the 24th of August
pevergreen
08-24-2008, 00:10
Surely if you are claiming that anyone with a blue name is Jotun, then I would'nt let myself be Wogged?
I defended Sarathos, because I thought he was that role pm there. I thought everyone had blue.
So, the damned dwarf is still at large?
FactionHeir
08-24-2008, 01:35
Eh Sarathos is listed as Alive?
In any case, any of the champions could be guilty me thinks.
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 02:11
Tincow and Pk are innocent, if you want the challenges made between paticular people its probably best to mention it in the thread so people can be made to challenge if enough people think so
discovery1
08-24-2008, 02:19
Doesn't it have to be one of the champions? I mean aside from the lords who is left?
I suspect TinCow or Husar.
Husar because he always takes a piss in the chat, and TinCow mainly because I'm mad at him for revealing me. Also maybe you can get something out of how he fought? The dwarf seems like a crafty fellow who's seen alot right? So naturally he's picked up all kinds of moves from across the world. Maybe?
And since I basically admitted that TinCow was right:
Night 5
As you walk among your fellow Swedes, discovery1, you notice their new found respect for you.
You crushed your Dane opponent in a Holmgang. Apparently he was the heir to the Danish Throne and a stronger opponent. You were blessed by Thor and that didn't go unnoticed by your King.
Erik the Victorious calls you into his presence and gives you a part of his kingdom for you to rule.
You are now Þórvaldr Hjaltason, Jarl of Gotland.
You have as yet not a champion. But should a War Veteran from Sweden show his superiority in Holmgang, your King will assign him to you as your Champion.
Your new status as Lord gives the Jotun another man to kill for them to win.
BCC to Motep and GeneralH as a FYI.
Sigurd
I can do this right? No boo.
Well some stuff was bolded, and I was too lazy to put it back in. Now I have
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 02:40
Doesn't it have to be one of the champions? I mean aside from the lords who is left?
Im not completely sure on that, it does seem a bit of a strech that a lord could be Jotun...
Craterus
08-24-2008, 02:42
vote: Husar
discovery1
08-24-2008, 03:14
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[B]Doesn't it have to be one of the champions? I mean aside from the lords who is left?
Im not completely sure on that, it does seem a bit of a strech that a lord could be Jotun...
So TinCow is innocent? Pity. Who is left who is not known innocent then?
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 03:25
So TinCow is innocent? Pity. Who is left who is not known innocent then?
I have checked you, husar and tincow out in holmgang out of survivors, they're the people who i now are not Jotun, apart from those i wouldn't say anyone stands out as a candidate...
Craterus also cannot be Jotun. He was attacked by one.
And Motep? :inquisitive:
And since disco claims a FYI went to Motep, how about Ichigo? He also got a FYI about my promotion and as my lord I thought of him as innocent but apparently everybody is innocent in one way or another, how lovely, bet someone is laughing really hard right now.
I suspect little grizzly. Our lovely game host has put something relevant to our name inside our role (except for kings and champions...a guess since Erik the victorious has nothing to do with motep). And we are after a dwarf you know.
My guess is the Littlegrizzly fed us Sarathos (who was under suspicion) to help prove himself as a "god", and is using his "power" to get us to holmang each other more. He would know damned well who is innocent or not, being a jotun, he knows who his fellows are. He is going to pit us against each other, untill he can claim victory for the Jotun!
Vote: LittleGrizzly
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 04:46
Our lovely game host has put something relevant to our name inside our role (except for kings and champions...a guess since Erik the victorious has nothing to do with motep).
Why not gods as well
My guess is the Littlegrizzly fed us Sarathos (who was under suspicion) to help prove himself as a "god", and is using his "power" to get us to holmang each other more.He would know damned well who is innocent or not, being a jotun, he knows who his fellows are. He is going to pit us against each other, untill he can claim victory for the Jotun!
If you look back i haven't insisted players holmgang each other, i was simply willing to sit back and observe who was innocent from watching whatever holmgangs happened but the town were asking for everything to be revealed, and everyone in tin pretty much agreed to reveal everything, so the only choice i had was to reveal. Now people are insisting on suspicious candidates holmganging for me to spot any jotuns fighting and that is your case ?
Our lovely game host has put something relevant to our name inside our role (except for kings and champions...a guess since Erik the victorious has nothing to do with motep).
Why not gods as well
My guess is the Littlegrizzly fed us Sarathos (who was under suspicion) to help prove himself as a "god", and is using his "power" to get us to holmang each other more.He would know damned well who is innocent or not, being a jotun, he knows who his fellows are. He is going to pit us against each other, untill he can claim victory for the Jotun!
If you look back i haven't insisted players holmgang each other, i was simply willing to sit back and observe who was innocent from watching whatever holmgangs happened but the town were asking for everything to be revealed, and everyone in tin pretty much agreed to reveal everything, so the only choice i had was to reveal. Now people are insisting on suspicious candidates holmganging for me to spot any jotuns fighting and that is your case ?
Yup, pretty much.
I suspect little grizzly. Our lovely game host has put something relevant to our name inside our role (except for kings and champions...a guess since Erik the victorious has nothing to do with motep). And we are after a dwarf you know.
My guess is the Littlegrizzly fed us Sarathos (who was under suspicion) to help prove himself as a "god", and is using his "power" to get us to holmang each other more. He would know damned well who is innocent or not, being a jotun, he knows who his fellows are. He is going to pit us against each other, untill he can claim victory for the Jotun!
You know what? I had a very similar idea but Sigurd mentioned that Tyr killed Sarathos, either Sigurd is playing with us and mentioned him just for fun or he basically underlined that role claim. I will read that again.
edit:
The being standing there behind him looked at Sarathos with stern eyes. “I am Tyr, I could not behold the killing of Thor, the greatest of Æsir warriors. Now begone Rungne. We would not have thee here any longer.” Rungne’s eyes widened: “Ty… ?” The Jotun slumped to the ground and was still.
The new revealed being walked over to Thor and knelt beside him. “Come on old friend, thou doth need some rest”.
That's the relevant part, it only says being and that being calls itself Tyr, it could be that "Tyr" is basically a Jotun who is backstabbing his own guy, now he calls some of us innocent and makes the lords go against their champions etc while standing at the side and doing nothing but throw in fake results.
Now we already lynched a few gods, would one more be that bad? :shrug:
Any thoughts?
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 05:02
As Ichigo mentioned a few pages back as well i was protected by thor on a night with 2 kill, thor can confirm this, i think ?
...wel...
I have forgotten about that. :sweatdrop:
Crazed Rabbit
08-24-2008, 05:07
That's (EDIT: Motep's assertion of LG's guilt) impossible. Sigurd's writeup is unequivocal; Tyr (sp?) is in this game, and considering no one is disputing LG's claim on the role, LG is telling the truth.
Major FoS: Motep.
Wouldn't vote for him yet, though. Though
The Jotun obviously has a townie/warrior/King PM.
And someone with a champion/king PM who vouches for him and says that he is his champion/king and on top of that either of the couple was attacked or blocked once and that is what doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either the dwarf can get around a block, we have two dwarves or someone's retinue was infiltrated by Jotun to the point that Sigurd named this Jotun as someone's king/champion in the role PM. :dizzy2:
:sorry2:
I forgot about tyr's appearance. So the dwarf is not the grizzly...
suspects
Craterus
discovery1 (sorry...but you could be the dwarf)
Husar
Ichigo
completely innocent:
LittleGrizzly - innocent
Motep - innocent (I would know)
TinCow - innocent (completely, proven to all by tyr)
It's only me and you Motep, but I'd like to fight you.
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 05:30
Motep you are right not to trust disco purely because he's mentioned in your role pm, i just think we now have to assume that being named in someone else's role pm does not mean you are innocent, maybe it was sigurd's way of balancing (considering we have a few gods, a few lords and loki possibly only pro town, considering loki is still here claiming his innocence he's probably not lieing as theres nothing to gain by it)
But i can actually confirm disco innocence from his previous holmgang, as well as husar's....
It's only me and you Motep, but I'd like to fight you.
...who do you want to fight? I am not clear on the matter...
You Motep.
Ah. Makes sense now.
EDIT: King versus king? A little silly, is it not?
Neither of us is proved innocent by Holmgang, and it won't hurt the town at all. Whichever of us loses can be lynched next round.
GeneralHankerchief
08-24-2008, 05:47
No no no, Motep and Disco are both Swedes. I 100% vouch for both of them. If either of them is guilty then Sigurd had made them Swedish infiltrators from the start.
We've already established that whoever the last Jotun is has a real townie PM. This is the only way. Other than lynching both of us, but what fun is that? Epic battle I say.
We've already established that whoever the last Jotun is has a real townie PM. This is the only way. Other than lynching both of us, but what fun is that? Epic battle I say.
:brood:
Thats the talk that loses the game, Ichigo.
How? We've narrowed it down to two people. We might as well have some fun at the end. You don't like my idea? I think it's a good one.
How? We've narrowed it down to two people. We might as well have some fun at the end. You don't like my idea? I think it's a good one.
Good for losing another lord! Lord!!!
We've already concluded through Tyr that it has to be me or you. I'm not sure what you're not getting about this.
And someone with a champion/king PM who vouches for him and says that he is his champion/king and on top of that either of the couple was attacked or blocked once and that is what doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either the dwarf can get around a block, we have two dwarves or someone's retinue was infiltrated by Jotun to the point that Sigurd named this Jotun as someone's king/champion in the role PM. :dizzy2:
Motep you are right not to trust disco purely because he's mentioned in your role pm, i just think we now have to assume that being named in someone else's role pm does not mean you are innocent (...)
But i can actually confirm disco innocence from his previous holmgang, as well as husar's....
Are you guys implying that (perhaps) prior to the 1st night, a Jotun/dwarf has already replaced one faction's representative, meaning pre-killed one 'high-townie' role and disguised himself as that person, thus having that person's RolePM from the beginning?
If so, it's a very intriguing twist as
A) It makes that Jotun not susceptible to mass reveals, as he has his fake role pre-made and, his unsuspecting comrade, King (if disguised as champion) or champion (if disguised as King) to vouch for him.
(as he's already mentioned in his King's/champion's rolePM ...and Mass reveals are overpowered against mafia)
B) Possibly bypass Tyr's ability, only if he's lucky enough to only have his comrade, again, King (if disguised as champion) or champion (if disguised as King), be watched by Tyr, 'proving' their whole faction is innocent
Hmm...
Who has not been in holmang:
Motep
Ichigo
craterus?
Craterus has been attacked and saved. Just you and me like I said before.
Craterus has been attacked and saved. Just you and me like I said before.
...:sorry2:
Crazed Rabbit
08-24-2008, 08:55
So unless the Jotun attack each other, it's likely Motep. He's been delaying and obfuscating this whole round.
Now I'd definitely vote Motep.
Wouldn't that be something; twice the town tries to kill me instead of a Jotun.
CR
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-24-2008, 09:16
Well that worked out just as I thought it would.
Craterus is innocent, and I protected him last night, so he is doubly innocent.
Motep is the major suspect now I'd say but haven't had a chance to actually read this properly. Be back tomorrow.
Damned Dwarf!!! Avenge me!
Craterus
08-24-2008, 09:19
unvote: Husar
FactionHeir
08-24-2008, 13:05
Moteps tries much too hard to escape the Holmgang and approportion blame on others.
All people who have fought in Holmgang are cleared. This leaves Craterus, Ichigo, and Motep. Craterus is cleared because he was attacked by Jotun himself once and he was also protected last night. This leaves Ichigo and Motep as the only possible Jotun. Ichigo has not twigged my mafo-radar the entire game. Motep on the other hand did a sloppy reveal very early, exposing himself as a Lord, yet he was never even attacked. In addition, despite calling LG "completely innocent" he still hasn't unvoted him. My vote is easy.
Vote: Motep
Craterus
08-24-2008, 14:48
vote: Motep
But it's Husar next if the kills don't stop.
ah man, I wanted to Holmgang someone :bigcry:
I've been saying to kill Motep ever since his reveal... hopefully I'll get to say "I told you so" :clown:
GeneralHankerchief
08-24-2008, 18:32
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
FactionHeir
08-24-2008, 18:40
I said so too I think :tongue2:
I think GH hates your clown btw :grin:
I've been saying to kill Motep ever since his reveal... hopefully I'll get to say "I told you so" :clown:
You will be quite dissapointed, my friend.
And GH is not hating the clown, he knows of my innocence and so does Disco. Oh, I almost forgot!
:wall:
GeneralHankerchief
08-24-2008, 20:01
I am telling you all right now, if you lynch Motep, the town will lose this game. He is the King of Sweden.
I, as a War Veteran and later on his Swedish Champion, vouch for his innocence. As can discovery1, his former Swedish Champion and later on his Lord.
You have two people vouching for Motep, and yet you still continue to lynch him. Motep is completely innocent.
woad&fangs
08-24-2008, 20:03
I believe GH. Leave Motep alone.
I knew I forgot to do something...
unvote:LG
I am telling you all right now, if you lynch Motep, the town will lose this game. He is the King of Sweden.
I, as a War Veteran and later on his Swedish Champion, vouch for his innocence. As can discovery1, his former Swedish Champion and later on his Lord.
You have two people vouching for Motep, and yet you still continue to lynch him. Motep is completely innocent.
Who do you suggest we lynch then? The options are pretty limited.
GeneralHankerchief
08-24-2008, 20:15
I'm not suggesting you lynch anybody, just not Motep. I know for a fact that he is innocent. Move on to your next choice.
The only other choice is Ichigo and I know he is innocent in the same way you know Motep is innocent. That kind of puts us at a roadblock.
maybe it is tincow? Tyr's results just might not be foolproof.
Happy Birthday TC!! :balloon:
I still wanna fight Motep. GH are you even paying attention to the thread at all?
Motep I can confirm that TC is my champion...
Yeah well, that would leave Ichigo but as far as I have been told he was protected once or twice so that leaves...
NOONE
Hey guys we finally figured out what Sigurd does not know... :stupido2:
Okay, we have 45 minutes to lynch SOMEONE, decide, take me if you want, but we should at least lynch someone and not noone. As far as I am concerned...
Vote: LittleGrizzly
Well, I am sorry if you really are an innocent Aesir, but look closely at this:
“I am Tyr, I could not behold the killing of Thor, the greatest of Æsir warriors. Now begone Rungne. We would not have thee here any longer.” Rungne’s eyes widened: “Ty… ?” The Jotun slumped to the ground and was still.
Well, "Tyr" knows the name of the Jotun, maybe the gods know them all, okay. But Rungne also opens his eyes and then wants to say something before he died, maybe it would have been: "Tyr? But you are my buddy [insert name of other Jotun]!" Well, I think all in all if we leave this out, I have not seen anything that would prove you innocent and EVERYBODY ELSE has someone who can vouch for them, except you... :shrug:
Also happy birthday TinCow!
The Jotun realized he was going to die maybe? Two Aesir against one Jotun is not good odds for the Jotun
GeneralHankerchief
08-24-2008, 20:29
Actually, Husar's reasoning makes a lot of sense. I'd go for LG.
Well, "Tyr" knows the name of the Jotun, maybe the gods know them all, okay. But Rungne also opens his eyes and then wants to say something before he died, maybe it would have been: "Tyr? But you are my buddy [insert name of other Jotun]!" Well, I think all in all if we leave this out, I have not seen anything that would prove you innocent and EVERYBODY ELSE has someone who can vouch for them, except you... :shrug:
Do we really need to go over this again? :wall:
LG was protected by Thor on a night when there were 2 kills. He cannot be one of the killers.
Happy Birthday TC!! :balloon:
I still wanna fight Motep. GH are you even paying attention to the thread at all?
Motep I can confirm that TC is my champion...
I thought Husar was your champion? If not, who is he?
EDIT: and I knew there was suspiciousness in the write-up...
Do we really need to go over this again? :wall:
LG was protected by Thor on a night when there were 2 kills. He cannot be one of the killers.
There were three Jotun at the time.
There were three Jotun at the time.
Then who was the third?
There were three Jotun at the time.
How would you know that? :inquisitive:
Fenring was murdered in round 7. Went to a field of flowers. (maybe a coincidence...he was killed by the dwarf)
Sarathos was lynched in round 8. Went to a field of Flowers, with much the same greeting.
Now, when was LG protected? I am forgetting things, have had a lot on my mind in rl. Forgive me for asking.
Unvote: Little Grizzly
Vote: Abstain
well, whatever...
------------ Voting closed ------------
Can I fight Motep in the write-up?
I thought we had more time...I think I was lynched. Ah well...a shame for the town, but not a killing blow. Close, though.
Kralizec
08-24-2008, 21:10
Congratulate: TinCow
:medievalcheers:
(it's his birthday - don't get the wrong idea)
GeneralHankerchief
08-24-2008, 21:14
Crap.
Crap crap crap.
Tratorix
08-24-2008, 21:27
And the town continues it's insistence on lynching people with pro-town roles simply because it's convenient. :wall::wall::wall:
Huh? Who were we supposed to lynch then? A God? One of the other Kings? or a champion?
I will state that I have no hard feelings. I lost track of the thread, and was summarily lynched for being paranoid... again.
Tratorix
08-24-2008, 21:42
Huh? Who were we supposed to lynch then? A God? One of the other Kings? or a champion?
Going from that list, a champion would have been preferable. I also still have doubts about LittleGrizzly actually being Tyr.
I also still have doubts about LittleGrizzly actually being Tyr.
Please explain.
Going from that list, a champion would have been preferable. I also still have doubts about LittleGrizzly actually being Tyr.
he might just be tyr. But tyr doesnt have to be a good guy. (as far as I know...Loki was claiming to be a good guy, you know?)
Tratorix
08-24-2008, 21:50
Please explain.
I'll post it after I'm certain you guys are wrong about Motep. If it turns out i'm wrong and you're right it would be a waste of time to do it now.
I'll post it after I'm certain you guys are wrong about Motep. If it turns out i'm wrong and you're right it would be a waste of time to do it now.
I can assure you. They are wrong about me. Do go on. :bow:
Craterus
08-24-2008, 22:15
Oops, wasn't back in time to unvote.
Well, I think it's Husar or LG.
Crazed Rabbit
08-24-2008, 22:21
This leaves only Ichigo as the one not confirmed innocent, right?
CR
he might just be tyr. But tyr doesnt have to be a good guy. (as far as I know...Loki was claiming to be a good guy, you know?)
*****
Somewhere... in some hidden village , where one of the last pagan shrines to Freyja on the mainland resides...
three veins suddenly bulged dangerously on Loki's temple, he who was relegated there after being unceremoniously kicked out from his happy place just a few days earlier.
He let out a growl that was heard over a mile away, and stopped the chorus of some screeching women dead on its tracks
*****
Back to the topic, it would be better if Tyr wasn't lynched, as he's the last major hurdle for the dwarf to kill unobserved. Then again, he's likely to be drinking spit soon anyway.
edit: Happy Birthday to TinCow
seireikhaan
08-24-2008, 22:26
Happy Birthday, TinCow!
Round 8 Conlusion
The fears of the men from the kingdoms grew stronger when they didn’t find Thor amongst them. They were all certain that they had lost favour with the Gods. Their afterlife was in dire trouble. The Gods were angry with them and they did not know why.
They had no law speaker that could direct them. They were men from two Kingdoms and the brotherhood of Jom. The Joms and the Norwegians were still arguing whose fault it was that they were here in the first place. And the quarrel went back and forth.
One of the Joms asked: “Why are the Swedes here?” The men of Norway and Jomsborg looked around and at each other. There were mostly shrugs.
“Yeah, why are you here Swedes?” The Swedes looked baffled: “Why? We were invited here”. That was not good enough for the Joms. “This was a Thing gathering to solve an issue between Denmark and Norway. The Swedes had no part of it”. The Swedes were uncertain of what their role at this Thing would have been. “Someone wanted us here and that’s why we are here”. The Norwegians and the Jomsvikings were joining forces against the Swedes. “I call a hoax when I see one”, said one of the Joms. “Yeah, this smells Jotun work all over”, said one of the Norwegians. The Swedes got angry and one answered: “I say we were set up here, and you are the Jotun”. The Swedes started drawing weapons and were threatening of killing the Norwegians and the Jomsvikings.
Motep was stirring the Swedes and urged them to battle. He was swinging his sword screaming profanities at them. He was about to hand out another series of curses when his eyes widened. Something had penetrated his chest and stood out in front of him. It was a spear and the man that wielded it stepped back and looked at his hands. “discovery1, what have you done?" The man called disco was uncertain about what had just transpired. “I … I don’t know. I never meant to …” He looked shocked.
Motep was enjoying his state between life and the hereafter with a Valkyrie on a meadow in between worlds. He was King in this also, according to the Valkyrie.
Tally:
Motep : 3 (Craterus, discovery1, TinCow)
Not Voting : 4 (Husar, Ichigo, LG, Motep)
Killed: (9)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)
Fenring (R7)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (R8)
Killed in Holmgang: (7)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)
Warmaster Horus (R6)
Privateerkev (R7)
Lynched: (7)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)
Crazed Rabbit (R6)
Sarathos (R7)
Motep (R8)
WoG: (6)
scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)
Living: (6)
Craterus
discovery1
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
TinCow
uhhh I told you so? :clown:
FactionHeir
08-24-2008, 23:34
Husar and Ichigo should Holmgang
discovery1
08-24-2008, 23:35
You know sigurd I didn't actually vote motep. Sure I didn't really stop people from voting but its not exactly the same thing.
I'm willing to Holmgang whoever you say.
Doesn't LG still not have anyone vouching for him?
Challenge: Little Grizzly
Well, if he really is Tyr, I should be pretty much dead now.
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 23:55
Happy Birthday Tincow.
Im guessing the write up proves his innocence ? (the whole king bit..)
I wasn't sure about Motep's lynch, its why i didn't vote for him, i suppose that only leaves Ichigo...
LittleGrizzly
08-24-2008, 23:57
This will be short work champion, bit of a waste of a pro town role...
Edit,
I would say my verification comes from handing the town the only guilty person of the game, recieving thor's protection on a night with two kills (check out townie network link tincow gave and reference with story thread) and declaring a few players innocence to stop thier lynches and being confirmed by several players deaths.
I know i hold a powerful position and it attracts suspicion (see our first two lynches and the recent one) but i have several things all verifying my innocence, and on the writeup i would say sarathos was simply surprised...
Challenge:LG
Since I'm a human, you should beat me easily.
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 00:10
Ok i guess that makes sense, the only problem is your dead if your innocent, lets hope not...
Crazed Rabbit
08-25-2008, 00:21
Geez this is stupid - why are we having Husar and Ichigo fight LG and not each other?
FoS: Husar.
In Character; I'll pray to God for the victory of LG over Husar.
CR
Privateerkev
08-25-2008, 00:37
If LG is Jotun, and Ichigo fights him, we have lost the game.
Ichigo and Craterus are the only Kings left. If LG is Jotun, and fights Ichigo, he will kill him in Holmgang. Then, all he has to do is send a kill order for Craterus.
Game over...
Everyone better hope it's Husar that is Jotun. But if he is, then LG would have caught him when he fought in the Holmgang.
So, either it is LG that is Jotun or someone who hasn't fought yet. (And hasn't been attacked.)
Which means it would be Ichigo. If it is, we still have a chance. But that doesn't make much sense because then the Jotun's goal would basically be to kill him self.
The only thing that makes sense now is that it is LG. But if it is, it is pretty much game over unless people water down the Holmgangs so Ichigo doesn't fight.
Bah... I don't know what I would do if still alive... :wall:
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 00:45
Ichigo may just want to go out in style, figuring hes the last one not to be checked, may as well go out in style..
I'm making sure you guys don't waste time lynching me is all.
Ichigo and Craterus are the only Kings left.
Not true, disco claims to be a Lord as well due to Holmgang promotion.
And I have a PM that says Ichigo is my lord, why would I want to fight my own lord?
FactionHeir
08-25-2008, 01:15
Well Craterus could have faked I suppose.
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-25-2008, 01:16
:wall:
LG was also protected last night. When I got killed. He is innocent.
Edit: and FH, Craterus was my other protectee last night.
Craterus
08-25-2008, 01:21
Can I see the part of the PM that says you're a role-blocker?
Yes, you all know someone who is not guilty, name someone who is and why and then wait for someone else to come and say he is not because of a, b and c, the problem is that wither a, b or c is complete bollox because someone has to be guilty, the question is what is the most bollox? We have had roles that could not be blocked before, have we ever had wrong buddies in role PMs before? Was there ever a game where the evil side could attack itself? One of those alibis has to be wrong, like it or not.
Privateerkev
08-25-2008, 01:28
If Craterus is faking, that means Sigurd set him up from the beginning with a "perfect" role with an unsuspecting Champion. I find it doubtful.
As for Disco, I didn't know that. I'm still catching up. (And sobering up...)
Done in by my own champion...
Ah well. Im in more...enjoyable hands now.
I knew I would not make it to the end of the game! Murdered, maybe, but not lynched.
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 01:48
Done in by my own champion...
Well technically your ex champion...
Well technically your ex champion...
Perhaps even a Jotun?
I mean disco is rather quiet in this discussion, isn't he?
discovery1
08-25-2008, 02:44
What am I supposed to add? I am totally at a loss as to what to do.
Privateerkev
08-25-2008, 02:47
I do not envy the townies left alive. Everyone left basically has a perfect role PM.
Our one way of finding guilt or innocence also leads to townies getting killed.
I'm stumped... :shrug:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-25-2008, 04:51
@ Craterus:
Should you be so fortunate to place your hammer amulet with a Jotun, the magic will reverse. He become cursed and will not be able to perform any night activity. His Holmgang score will be temporarily reduced with one point the following Holmgang round.
Honestly I'm now stumped. But LG, Craterus and most likely PK are innocent from that.
Privateerkev
08-25-2008, 05:55
@ Craterus:
Honestly I'm now stumped. But LG, Craterus and most likely PK are innocent from that.
I'd argue that I'm proven innocent from a whole lot of things by this point. :laugh4:
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 13:23
TBH i only have 2 ideas at this point,
1. Ichigo is Jotun and must have replaced TC and Husar's lord before the game started...
2. We are dealing with a serial killer
Niether off them strike me as paticularly true, i can't really think off anything paticularly scummy that Ichigo has done, the serial killer im edging a bit more towards, though the dwarf made a big song and dance about the big guy (sarathos) being his brother, it could be a cover i guess, though cr mentioned something about his charater thinking the dwarf was jotun (i think)
Im at a bit of a loss myself here, im just hoping its Ichigo otherwise things are going to get complicated...
Edit, I would say that pk's innocence is just about assured...
The problem is that with all those role PMs, investigations and other special stuff, the focus is far away from what people actually post and it is way easier for the quilty people to say very reasonable things, not lie etc because there is soo much material they can use. I have absolutely no idea how to find that last killer except by guessing randomly. :shrug:
Round 9
Husar was not to pleased about the situation. The Gods were angry and it could be the fault was with the brothers of Jom. This could not be and he had to somehow make it right. Then it dawned upon him. Husar went to the one that had named himself Tyr and he found him in a hushed conversation with another of the Jomsvikings.
“I call you out, Ty, to a Holmgang. Let me be the one that appease the Gods by giving them some sport. I shall give my best”. The one called Tyr turned and looked at the other Jomsviking who nodded. He then turned to Husar with a smile. “I accept thy challenge mortal. I shall fight thee with one arm behind my back”. The other Jomsviking laughed. Husar thought that was a odd remark, but thought no more of it. He had challenged an presumed Æsir and would certainly die in the attempt. Hopefully this would appease the Gods and return the Joms in their favour.
The one named Tyr came on cat’s paws towards Husar, sword drawn. His smile was wide and Husar could see that he was enjoying himself. Husar figured it was because Tyr was the God of single combat and always liked games such as these.
All though Husar was a renowned fighter he was small in comparison to this being soon to be standing a swords length away from him.
Husar was not going to await being cut down and attacked. He pressed a combination that would have opened up a torso on a regular man. But Ty blocked easily. Husar continued with some bold combinations that put him completely open, but Ty was just blocking and didn’t counter attack. The fight went on for several minutes and Husar was getting tired. The other brother of Jomsborg standing to the side watching exclaimed: “Enough play. Either you finish him or let him go”. Ty turned towards this Jomsviking and left his guard down momentarily. Husar saw it and contemplated a second of exploiting it. His tiredness got the better of his judgment and he went for it. A over head slash that would cut deep into Ty’s shoulder was released. The block was faster than anything Husar had seen before and the power of it threw the blade out of Husar’s hands. “So thou would kill me when I was distracted? This is not honourable for a warrior like thee”.
Ty threw the blade back and forth and Husar fell to the ground in three pieces. Death was instant and he was no longer in the presence of the one that had been called Tyr.
Husar was somewhere else and he drew in a lung full of sweet smell. This was not too bad. Had he gone to the place of the Gods? The answer came from behind him as two lithe and feminine hands came snaking round his waist. “Greetings noble warrior, thy place at the table of Odin waits. Thou have remarkable courage and Odin is well pleased with you. He asked me to welcome you, and I see that it will be more pleasure than duty.
Come great warrior, linger here with me a while. Thou wilt see battle soon enough.
In the Norwegian camp, Craterus was sleeping. He had experienced much in these few days at Althing and he was mentally exhausted. Around his neck was the amulet he had found right before he went to bed. As he was deep in sleep he felt the rain running on his cheek. The rain tasted like wine. That was strange … unless … it was a dream. He jolted up from his bedroll and the Dwarf that had poured wine in his mouth fell to the ground. “The accursed poisoner!! … Prepare to be received warmly in Hel”. All though groggy from sleep and a little tired from the drugged wine, he still managed to pull his sword.
Craterus slashed at the dwarf who rolled away dodging the sword as best as he could.
One of Craterus’ blows landed flat sided on the dwarf’s head and sent him rolling into a dark corner. A deep rumble that became laughter erupted from the corner and Craterus could see two yellow orbs reflecting the candlelight. “The dwarf guise was a stupid idea”, the voice continued to rumble. Out from the corner and faster than Craterus’ eyes could register, a dark huge shaped creature emerged. He grabbed Craterus by the throat and shook him about like a rag doll, before throwing him full force against the ground. The smash should have pulverised his bones, but Craterus was as whole as he had been minutes before. The Jotun exclaimed: “Not again. Damn that thunder God and his magic. I will be back sooner than later to finish you off. I think Thor is at his level of strain protecting you. You will not survive another night. Make my words”, was his last words before vanishing in the night.
In the Swedish camp, there were not many men left. Þórvaldr Hjaltason, the new Jarl of Gotland was contemplating the earlier events. Why had he run Erik the Victorious through with a spear? It was like he never had any control over his body at the time. He knew of Styrbjörn’s claim to the throne of Sweden being the nephew of Erik. Sweden should have two kings with cooperative authority. Erik had since Styrbjörn’s father’s death ruled Sweden alone. Erik had denied Styrbjörn’s right. Being the leader of the Jomsvikings had taken Styrbörn the Strong all over the world. Could he have learned some controlling abilities? Was it because of mind control that he had killed Erik?
As he lay there contemplating, a small voice came from the dark corner of his tent. A dwarfish being entered the candle light. “Ah good, you are awake. I am sorry I used you in that fashion earlier, but we had to remove Erik and at the time there were too few that wanted him dead”. discovery1 got slowly to his feet. “So you have come to poison me, imp?” The dwarf cocked his head and looked at disco. “I had plans for it, I’ll admit. But now that you are awake I’ll just tear you limb from limb”. disco laughed: “And how would you be able to do this, Imp? You can barely reach my knee caps if you stand on your toes”. The dwarfish eyes glimmered. “Maybe so, dear Lord. At least in this guise”.
The dwarf transfigured and before the now, not so cocky Lord, stood a 9 feet tall beast. “Ah, I was getting tired playing the little man”.
disco knew his last hour was at hand, but he had a sword in hand and he was not about to put his new Lordship to disgrace by cowering. He lifted his arm and was about to slash, when the Jotun grabbed his raised arm and lifted him into the air. “You puny mortal think you can kill me with that tooth pick?” disco felt the Jotun’s hand tightening around his leg and then everything became agony. The pain was indescribable but luckily short. He was not in his tent any longer. A beautiful woman held his hand. “I am sorry I had to pull you away so sudden”, She said. “That damn beast tore you to pieces and the pain would have driven you insane within seconds. Now, we shall get you to Valhalla, where you deserve to be, my Lord. But I see you are in distress. Come here and I will comfort you first.”
Killed: (10)
Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)
Fenring (R7)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (R8)
discovery1 (R9)
Killed in Holmgang: (8)
makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)
Warmaster Horus (R6)
Privateerkev (R7)
Husar (R8)
Lynched: (7)
CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)
Crazed Rabbit (R6)
Sarathos (R7)
Motep (R8)
WoG: (6)
scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)
Living: (4)
Craterus
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
TinCow
I shall write the final ending tomorrow. You have 12 hours to high five. Until then... :mellow:
Foolish Norsemen! You have forsaken your Gods and for your arrogance and cowardace you have paid with your lives! You were once reknowned for your skill and ferocity in battle, yet you ignored your talents and instead gathered to 'talk' about your problems. TALK! A NORSEMAN! As if that were not bad enough, you did so at the behest of a 'Christian.' A man who spoke of non-violence and passivity. This is to be expected of the weak-willed southerners, but you Norse know better than that, yet many of you have converted to his cowardly religion, forsaking your own Gods and even lynching their avatars. You are a disgrace, every last one of you.
And YOU! Odin, Thor, Loki, and all the rest! You are fools for aiding these weak-livered mortals who show you no respect and turn from your worship without a second thought. They place their faith in only what their eyes see, ignoring reason and common sense even when it is shouted into their faces. Truth is found in the souls of men, not in the faces they wear. You are all fools, every last one of you, and you are a disgrace to the world and one which we will enjoy purging soon enough.
Midgard is ours once again! Ragnarok comes and Yggdrasil will burn.
Come pathetic humans and meet your doom! I am Vafþrúðnir and I am your destiny!
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Jotun_king.jpg
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Jotuntext.jpg
You are Vafþrúðnir (Vadtrudne) the wisest of the Jotun.
You are a Jotun which is the MAFIA in this game. Your winning condition is to kill all the Midgard Lords gathered at Althing and any Norse Gods amongst them. You do have the power to kill this God but you will have to do two attempts.
Your partners are Sarathos and LittleGrizzly. Consult with them your strategies towards winning this game.
One of you should PM me with your kill description before the deadline every night.
I will post the deadline after every lynching.
As long as you are two or three you will be able to attempt murdering 2 players. Once (or if) your numbers drop to 1, you will only be able to kill one player.
You have two tickets you can use when you are reduced to two Jotun. Use them with your kill attempt and it will be regarded as a double hit. If a player is a God or is protected by one, you will still be able to kill them. Should a God be protected it will not work. You will be able to use these tickets even if you are reduced to one Jotun. The tickets are magical amulets given you by Hel. You need maximum capability if you are going to use one of these tickets which mean every Jotun alive must join in this hit.
In your Pm to me you will have to name the Jotun players that will do the killings that night. If you believe you are attempting to kill a God you could write the killing as if it were one kill and name two Jotun doing the killing. You have the option of not submitting a kill or attempting only one kill with one Jotun; all a choice of strategy.
You are the most intelligent of all Jotun and you have been able to infiltrate the Jomsvikings and have gained the confidence of their ruler Styrbjörn the Strong and will play as his champion (see separate pm).
You are not able to kill him during nigh time as he has an amulet that will protect him against supernatural attacks. You or the Jotun are not allowed to challenge him to a Holmgang. Your will need to get him killed by other means. Let him challenge the Jotun or try to get him lynched.
Your Holmgang score will always be this one even though you have another in the undercover role.
Another ability which I will grant the Jotun is this:
Should any of you be lynched and as long as there is one alive, I will grant you a secret extra vote. This vote will depend on inactivity of one of the participants in this game. As long as there is a 100% vote you will not be able to use this ability. Further information on this will be forwarded when this is a reality.
Holmgang ability: 100 against humans (guarantied win). 10 against other gods.
GeneralHankerchief
08-25-2008, 23:38
:wall:
New rule: TinCow gets lynched first. Immediately.
:wall:
New rule: TinCow gets lynched first. Immediately.
I got one lynch vote the entire game. :laugh4:
Here's our secret lair:
http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/biNELHSC27nAP
Kralizec
08-25-2008, 23:42
:shame:
Well played.
Warmaster Horus
08-25-2008, 23:42
Agree. No matter the game, TC dies. From Sigurd's last sentence, it was obvious the Jotun won. But who won, I wouldn't have guess TC and LG.
Good lord, that was very well played, all 3 of the Jotun!
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 23:42
My only vote came from Sarathos, write up to follow...
FactionHeir
08-25-2008, 23:43
That's why you can never trust a lawyer :bow:
GeneralHankerchief
08-25-2008, 23:47
I'd just like to point out that once again the townie network got infiltrated.
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 23:48
In fairness the fighting between the townie network and outside it really helped as well...
Kralizec
08-25-2008, 23:50
LG, how did you get the Tyr PM?
LittleGrizzly
08-25-2008, 23:52
Tincow's excellent creation, after i got spotted at night out and about i needed a good excuse, tincow created it, i had an undercover pm but that was just a regular townie, swedish i think...
I'd just like to point out that once again the townie network got infiltrated.
Yes, and I want to point out to CR that this time I got him lynched on purpose.
LG, how did you get the Tyr PM?
He needed an excuse to justify a positive detective result against him, so I created a God role for him. I just had to mimic Sigurd's formatting and writing style and give it abilities that could be 'proven' to the town, as well as useful to us. It was fun using the fake PM to prove my own innocence in Holmgang.
Warmaster Horus
08-25-2008, 23:54
I'd just like to point out that once again the townie network got infiltrated.
Well, in all fairness, the townie network was infiltrated before it even started.
Tratorix
08-25-2008, 23:54
I'd just like to point out that once again the townie network got infiltrated.
Didn't Tincow help found " the network" in the first place? :laugh4:
Hey, I was right! Both LG and the townie network were Jotun!
But noone believed me, and were swayed...:shame:
One thing I would really like to know and I hope that Sigurd will clear up: what did the code mean? That was the one thing that had me seriously worried for a while, since I expected it to expose us and there was nothing I could do to sabotage it. Even knowing exactly who the Jotun were, though, I still have no idea what "order, numbers, answer" means.
seireikhaan
08-26-2008, 00:01
Ahem. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1997236#post1997236)
If I had to pick a target for lynch next round, it would be TinCow.
You people really need to listen to me. :no:
Kralizec
08-26-2008, 00:06
I recall I said several times that TC was suspicious, but he was never on the top of my list. I never seriously suspected LG, and not at all after he "revealed".
And to think that LG almost messed by accidentally pointing a finger at Sarathos :sweatdrop:
I only marginally suspected LG before he revealed, and then he became a prime suspect.
Tincow, I never really expected...but then again, I thought the founder of the town group was craterus and pk, so I suspected them. Well done, btw.
Tincow, I never really expected...but then again, I thought the founder of the town group was craterus and pk, so I suspected them. Well done, btw.
PK was the true founder. He contacted me first, and I just went along with it. Pretty much all of our information came through him. I just convinced him of my innocence and then passively absorbed everything he divulged, influencing things here and there when needed. Knowing exactly who Thor would protect/block each night was a major help.
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 00:12
Firstly my real role,
Trym : A large and very strong jotun. He once stole Mjølnir, the hammer of Thor to blackmail the Æsir into letting him marry Frøya (love godess).
You are a Jotun which is the MAFIA in this game. Your winning condition is to kill all the Midgard Lords gathered at Althing and any Norse Gods amongst them. You do have the power to kill this God but you will have to do two attempts.
Your partners are TinCow and Sarathos. Consult with them your strategies towards winning this game.
One of you should PM me with your kill description before the deadline every night.
I will post the deadline after every lynching.
As long as you are two or three you will be able to attempt murdering 2 players. Once (or if) your numbers drop to 1, you will only be able to kill one player.
You have two tickets you can use when you are reduced to two Jotun. Use them with your kill attempt and it will be regarded as a double hit. If a player is a God or is protected by one, you will still be able to kill them. Should a God be protected it will not work. You will be able to use these tickets even if you are reduced to one Jotun. The tickets are magical amulets given you by Hel. You need maximum capability if you are going to use one of these tickets which mean every Jotun alive must join in this hit.
In your Pm to me you will have to name the Jotun players that will do the killings that night. If you believe you are attempting to kill a God you could write the killing as if it were one kill and name two Jotun doing the killing. You have the option of not submitting a kill or attempting only one kill with one Jotun; all a choice of strategy.
You have successfully infiltrated one the king’s retinues and will hide as a townie (see separate pm).
Your Holmgang score will always be the one below, even though you have another in the undercover role.
Another ability which I will grant the Jotun is this:
Should any of you be lynched and as long as there is one alive, I will grant you a secret extra vote. This vote will depend on inactivity of one of the participants in this game. As long as there is a 100% vote you will not be able to use this ability. Further information on this will be forwarded when this is a reality.
Holmgang ability: 100 against humans (guarantied win). 10 against other gods.
Now my undercover role,
Gisle "the Bear"
You are a serf man in the retinue of the kings and the faction which you belong to is Sweden. The retinues have been infiltrated by Jotner and you will be responsible of figuring out who they are and participate in lynching them.
You have no nightly activities but Holmgang. You can challenge one player during each night phase to a Holmgang after the first night. The results will be narrated with the night kills.
Holmgang ability: 3
Very much unexciting, far better to be a God judging people :laugh4:
The role of Tyr started out as an excuse to save me from suspicion and ended up putting me at the forefront of the towns activities, it did mean i had to condem Sarathos but at that time the suspicion was becoming to great on sarathos and me, so sarathos was sacrificed for the team victory.
I didn't think people would buy into it, but obviously Tincow made a good forgery, i think gaius protected me that night which helped the townie information network (TIN as i started calling it) trust me as it was the first night there where two kills.
Alot of the credit has to go to tincow, he is a master of stratergy a good liar and a good role pm creator to top it off. I even mentioned at one point that i cannot trust him after this. Sarathos did well as well, his sacrifice was essential to wrap up the game, all in all i was quite impressed with how we did, the only Jotun that get lynched we practically gave to the town, Tincow got a single vote from El Diablo early on, and the only vote actually made and kept on me was actually made by my teammate Sarathos...
And to think that LG almost messed by accidentally pointing a finger at Sarathos
That was intentional
I only marginally suspected LG before he revealed, and then he became a prime suspect.
In fairness you made that one post that was roughly right, after a little discussion then you listed me with Thor and yourself as completely innocent, not long after TC brought it up you retracted your vote for me, you were hardly leading the charge for my lynch...
I only marginally suspected LG before he revealed, and then he became a prime suspect.
In fairness you made that one post that was roughly right, after a little discussion then you listed me with Thor and yourself as completely innocent, not long after TC brought it up you retracted your vote for me, you were hardly leading the charge for my lynch...
I was trying to save my own ass, thank you very much.
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 00:20
Well you had a few turns to make your suspicions more known, if you had done what i did and you were my prime suspect i would have made a bit more fuss about it...
Sarathos
08-26-2008, 00:22
Yeah funny story. Revealed, lynched and killed by my own partner....
pevergreen
08-26-2008, 00:24
I never thought LG was really a God. Bah :laugh4:
Well Played all Jotun!
Seems like this is another time I should have lynched Sarathos.
woad&fangs
08-26-2008, 00:26
Absolutely brilliant role forgery by tincow and great acting by all three of you.
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 00:29
I did declare Sarathos innocent at first, as Factionheir noticed, got a quick note from TC saying give a guilty result, edited a few minutes later, thankfully that got lost underneath accusations and arguments (and a hell of a bandwgon on sarathos) it seemed nesecary to gaurentee victory...
Edit, TC's brilliant role creation was one the the biggest factors in the sucsess (lynch him from now on)
Tratorix
08-26-2008, 00:29
PK was the true founder. He contacted me first, and I just went along with it. Pretty much all of our information came through him. I just convinced him of my innocence and then passively absorbed everything he divulged, influencing things here and there when needed. Knowing exactly who Thor would protect/block each night was a major help.
Wow, is his face gonna be red when he sees this. :laugh4:
Well played Jotun, a well deserved win.
And who was it who said that LG was backstabbing his partner? Eh? any ideas? :inquisitive:
But no, that guy's an idiot.
Concerning TinCow, well I got a PM saying Ichi was my king and he got a PM saying TinCow was his champion, I can't seriously blame myself for that, I had my suspicions of TinCow before that but not enough obviously and later took comfort in the "knowledge" to have that clver guy "proven"(by Sigurd, no less!) on my side... :wall:
Well played anyway, I removed my vote on LG because "my fellow champion" was whining about it, then challenged him, thinking even if the jotun have 8 or 9 Holmgang I might have a tiny chance or at least he would not roll over me like that god PM said, turns out that god PM had his Holmgang stats right except they were the same for Jotun and gods. :sweatdrop:
AT LEAST I DIED LIKE A MAN!
Well you had a few turns to make your suspicions more known, if you had done what i did and you were my prime suspect i would have made a bit more fuss about it...
I didnt really suspect untill after I really started thinking about it...:shame:
Nobody listens to motep...:cry:
Tratorix
08-26-2008, 00:40
I didnt really suspect untill after I really started thinking about it...:shame:
Nobody listens to motep...:cry:
At least you got some of them to believe you were a lord. :embarassed:
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 00:42
I think the fact that everyone though there where two killers before we lynched Sarathos helped reaffirm my innocence no end, twice Gaius protected me and as many kills as everyone though should have come out did... the only time the possibility of 2 killers being left after sarathos' lynch was in one of Husar's post where he covered basically every possibility, if the town hadn't assumed there was only 1 Jotun left after Sarathos they might have figured it out, it seem to be assumed by everyone that there was only killing...
It did really suprise me that my reveal was barely questioned...
Warmaster Horus
08-26-2008, 01:05
It did really suprise me that my reveal was barely questioned...
Yeah, I think we can say the town didn't do really well this time...
Tratorix
08-26-2008, 01:12
Yeah, I think we can say the town didn't do really well this time...
Considering we killed almost as many pro-town roles as the Jotun did, I'd be inclined to agree with you.
Privateerkev
08-26-2008, 01:16
Very very well played TC, Sarathos, and LG. :bow:
I deserved to get well and truly fooled after the stunt I pulled in Taormina.
I am looking forward to the writeup.
And thank you to Sigurd for running a cool game. And thank you to everyone for making it fun.
And I hope everyone I verbally sparred with in the game knows it was all in good fun. :medievalcheers:
Gaius Scribonius Curio
08-26-2008, 01:16
Very well played Tincow, LG and Sarathos.
Brilliant forgery, Tincow, I genuinely believed that LG was a God, (fantastic acting too).
Thinking about this last night I'd narrowed it down to Ichigo or Tincow, but I was shocked when i checked this this morning.
Very well done. :bow:
Edit: And now everyone can see that my instance of Godly caprice had some substance behind it...
In the beginning, I thought the game was too heavily skewed towards the Jotun because of our 'undercover' role PMs. This was particularly true for mine, since it gave me an instant alibi and a true townie to vouch for me. However, as the game went on I realized this was better balanced than I thought. First, we couldn't kill or challenge Ichigo, which gave us a major hurdle. I was never able to figure out a way to get him lynched and in the end it was resolved to simply reduce the town until the population was low enough for us to be able to lynch him ourselves. Second, there were more pro-town roles than I anticipated. 4 in total with special abilities, including 2 detectives, a combo doctor/role blocker who could protect/block 2 per night PLUS 1 per night even after he was dead, and whatever it was Odin did which thankfully we never had to figure out. Top it off with the Christian 'code' which I still assume actually did mean something even if I was never able to figure it out, and the ability of all 3 Gods to act as vigilantes who were capable of killing Jotun through Holmgang challenges, and I think it was a fair trade off.
IMO, the town lost because it stopped paying attention to usual mafioso behavior and started looking exclusively at role PMs. As the Tyr forgery proved, any role PM can be faked if someone has a couple templates to work from and puts enough effort into it. Here's the fully formatted version I created:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Aesir.jpg
You are Týr the God of combat and glory. He lost his hand when he bravely placed it in the mouth of the wolf Fenrisúlfr (Fenris) so that he could be bound with the ribbon Gleipnir.
You are a one of the Æsir and are currently hiding amongst the retinues of the kings at Althing. You do not know who your fellows Æsir are. One of the traits of gods in hiding is their ability to completely hide from each other.
In this game you are master of Holmgang and have the ability to bless the fighters. Every night you will decide to bless one of the fighters in a Holmgang challenge. If that challenge is selected, the fighter will gain 2 Holmgang points for that round. No one will notice this blessing and it if it helps them win it will appear to be by luck.
Pm me the name of the player you wish to bless every night. You can only bless a player who is listed in one of the first 6 Holmgang challenges.
You are also a master of all combat forms and can spot them easily. Any Jotun who fights in Holmgang will make their abilities known to you, even if they attempt to hide it. If a Jotun fights in Holmgang, you will notice.
The penalty is: you must spend much time to observe the fighters before and after Holmgang. If a god or Jotun observes you, they will notice you are not asleep.
Holmgang ability: 100 against humans (guarantied win). 10 against other gods or Jotun.
I simply picked a well-known Norse God who was unlikely (IMO) to have been included in the game, took the 'standard' parts of the Aesir role PM (provided by Gaius), and added in some powers that seemed balanced and appropriate to the game and which could be 'proven' without actually having to do anything. I used Sigurd's crazy formating and wrote a brief bio for the avatar as seemed to be common in his role PMs. For extra flavor, I also designed the role to be able to declare Jotun innocent in a convenient way, and tossed in an extra line "If a god or Jotun observes you" to make people think that Jotun could investigate (which proved useful when I wanted CR to be lynched).
It's ironic that multiple people were accused of having fake role PMs when they were completely legitimate, while my faked role PM was accepted without any questions. Again, it was this near total reliance on role PMs that was the town's failing IMO. Ignoring the amazing bad luck of lynching Odin in round 1 (seriously, major bad luck and no one was to blame for it except CA himself), there was plenty of evidence against us. I was blocked by Thor on Night 2 and I scrambled to turn it to my advantage by making it seem like I was protected instead of blocked. As part of this, I wrote a fake night results PM and gave it to Ichigo. He noticed that it wasn't remotely similar to the one that PK then posted very shortly afterwards. However, Ichigo disregarded that inconsistence relatively easily and never brought it up again. If he had pulled that PM out towards the end of the game, it might have been enough to lynch me.
In addition, both Sarathos and LG were spotted by positive detective results relatively early on. I'm sure this information could have been handled better, though I'm not entirely sure how.
Finally, people quickly disregarded LG's fast edit on Sarathos' innocence. His excuse was valid but flimsy. I'm sure that mafioso have intentionally lynched each other in the past to prove their own innocence, so this should have been focused on more.
There was simply too much information to keep track of...I kinda tired of all the thinking...:dizzy2:
Warmaster Horus
08-26-2008, 01:27
Top it off with the Christian 'code' which I still assume actually did mean something even if I was never able to figure it out
Elite Ferret managed to get it decoded somewhat, but it was kind of gibberish. I'm really interested in what Sigurd will tell us about it.
Nice writeup Tincow and well played.
I think part of the problem with this townie group was that it only fed people it's conclusions, I never got your role PM, your protection PM etc., at first I was not even told who belonged to it etc even after I was promoted to Ichi's champion I felt like some second rate guy.
The code, well, I found out the three words but apparently there were five, I heard of a fourth word later but noone ever gave it to me and I stopped bothering about it. the trick was to enter the names and numbers on random.org which would result in it showing the names of the jotun, apparently CR got an angel visit after his death giving him some strong clue but our PM exchange ended after he asked me whether I was visited by angels after trying to off him and I confusedly replied with nope. :dizzy2:
Elite Ferret managed to get it decoded somewhat, but it was kind of gibberish. I'm really interested in what Sigurd will tell us about it.
I decoded the three words that were given to me and posted them here before, when the numbers were given to me I was told that noone had an idea yet so I assumed I was the first one to make anything of them, that was part of the reason I voted for CR, I assumed he would have surely figured that out if he really wanted to. :dizzy2:
Crazed Rabbit
08-26-2008, 01:40
I got more info on it, but was unable to decode it. A pity. Probably something real obvious I missed.
Sigurd, could I provide the sequences to the public?
Foolish Norsemen! You have forsaken your Gods and for your arrogance and cowardace you have paid with your lives! You were once reknowned for your skill and ferocity in battle, yet you ignored your talents and instead gathered to 'talk' about your problems. TALK! A NORSEMAN! As if that were not bad enough, you did so at the behest of a 'Christian.' A man who spoke of non-violence and passivity.
Bah! I will live to see your kind fall from the earth for lack of belief, demon! Remembrance of my actions will stretch beyond a millennium! You have no power against the true Lord God.
CR
(Well done to the Jotun though)
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 01:47
Also something which i though may have been a big clue, Tincow won a holmgang but noone even noticed he didn't get a promotion, whereas every other winner did... the amount of effort i spent making a case pointing to other people when sarathos looked like he was going to get lynched.. the amount of effort TC made making a case for other people when sarathos was in the spotlight, he led the lynch for CR when i was floundering considering voting for sarathos incase he got lynched...
Crazed Rabbit
08-26-2008, 01:50
Well, that could have just been a recurrence of Capo II foolishness.
Once again I am undone by supposed allies letting slip my PMs to the enemy.
CR
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 01:53
Well you knew TC was in TIN (im fairly sure) so by giving it to TIN (Townie Information Network) you were giving it to your enemy yourself...
Privateerkev
08-26-2008, 01:59
From the Jotun QT:
Quote of the Game:
(Referencing' LG's role as 'Tyr')
His role PM is a little elaborate to make up.
That reminds me of my favorite quote from Taormina:
PK just doesn't strike me as mafia. He has been acting exactly as he always does in this game, and it would be nearly impossible for anyone to pull off such a perfect cover from the first turn of their first game.
:laugh4:
And for good measure, here is LG in Taormina:
I don't think PK should be voted just because he has twice as many posts as anyone else, it could be a cover trying to seem like a helpful townie but if it is im fooled...
Looks like karma bit me on the behind in this game... :clown:
Crazed Rabbit
08-26-2008, 02:02
Well you knew TC was in TIN (im fairly sure) so by giving it to TIN (Townie Information Network) you were giving it to your enemy yourself...
No, I gave it only to WH, who gave it to PK, who promptly dispatched it to the enemy (Much as TC himself did in Capo).
CR
LittleGrizzly
08-26-2008, 02:04
Looks like karma bit me on the behind in this game...
You were the only player i happily led astray, i felt (very slight) guilt for all the other deception but i was happy to decieve you :p
Ohh well, i did promise my revenge at the end of that game, this should satisfy..
'Twas a busy day, and it's sad to find out that the game is over already...
Congratulations to the mafia for a well-earned win!
:medievalcheers:
And a big cheer to GameMaster Sigurd for a very well-hosted game.
:medievalcheers:
Darn it! I, too, fell to LG's fake god-role (courtesy of TC). *sigh*
Sarathos
08-26-2008, 07:49
Thank you very much Sigurd for a truely amazing game.
But more thanks must go to TinCow and LG, they were the ones who won this game, I was just there. Our quick topic forum was littere with TC's info as he successfully manged to infiltrate the TIN ehich was great work, without him we were stuffed.
Being only my second time as mafia, It was awesome to see the way TinCow and LittleGrizzly played and really put me to shame, but I am very thankful to be on their side. An next time LG, try not to TK me....
Tratorix
08-26-2008, 08:59
I feel betrayed.
Yep, being betrayed will do that to ya... :coffeenews:
pevergreen
08-26-2008, 09:18
Just wait until my game comes along Ichigo. I'll make a super role for you.
Ichigo: Lord of Revenge:
You are able to instantly kill any player that has wronged you in the past!
AT LEAST I DIED LIKE A MAN!
And yet, you chose pink letters ... :rolleyes: :laugh4:
edit: HAH!!! you all thought this was the writeup, right ??? :mellow: patience people, patience.
Great game to read! But this will further cement my distrust of the "townie groups". (Force them to give some evidence that they are not mafia before letting them in... just because they are good players does not mean you should talk to them about the game :whip:) This will probably not apply in games with the mafia having back up roles... but still...
:bow:
No, I gave it only to WH, who gave it to PK, who promptly dispatched it to the enemy (Much as TC himself did in Capo).
CR
:sweatdrop: uhhhh yeah, it was WH who gave it to PK :sweatdrop:
*runz*
And the code came up with random numbers next to names or something, and if you put the right key (which CR had) into random.org and used those to reorder the names in the first post numbers one, two and three would be the Jotun.
KukriKhan
08-26-2008, 14:47
^5
gg
I was clueless from beginning to end. I hoped translating the runes would be helpful, but that proved to be a dead-end, as did, apparently, 'the code'.
A 25% WoG rate was not helpful either. I wonder if we (or I) can figure out some device to maintain players interest who receive townie roles. Maybe some kind of pro-town power role to be rotated among random townies every other day or something, thus: "You are a townie, you must decide who is mafia, and persuade other townies to kill them, AND every (third, fourth...) day, after you receive a PM from me (host), you can independently kill or investigate one player".
Just to encourage lowly townies to pay attention. I did notice that Sigurd apparently tried to encourage participation by making the "...if 100% of voters vote..." provision in a role PM.
Anyway: very well-played Jotun/Mafia, and valiently attempted, town. :bow: Brilliantly hosted Sigurd. I especially appreciated your punctuality, and thanks very much for describing my role in such heroic terms - even if I did have to swallow spit to die. :clown:
A 25% WoG rate was not helpful either. I wonder if we (or I) can figure out some device to maintain players interest who receive townie roles. Maybe some kind of pro-town power role to be rotated among random townies every other day or something, thus: "You are a townie, you must decide who is mafia, and persuade other townies to kill them, AND every (third, fourth...) day, after you receive a PM from me (host), you can independently kill or investigate one player".
Just to encourage lowly townies to pay attention. I did notice that Sigurd apparently tried to encourage participation by making the "...if 100% of voters vote..." provision in a role PM.
One option might be to give townies minor abilities if they survive for X turns, perhaps increasing in power the longer they are alive, ala Capo II, but without the group cooperation requirement. This might keep them interested and would also provide a more interesting twist to the game, as townies wouldn't be quite as complacent about being lynched early on.
FactionHeir
08-26-2008, 15:37
I still don't get what numbers everyone is talking about.
The three Christian players, me, CR and WH, were each given a string of numbers which when put together would supposedly help us find the Jotun.
FactionHeir
08-26-2008, 16:10
Oh.
What was your objective btw?
And yet, you chose pink letters ... :rolleyes: :laugh4:
That was not accidental, but glad you liked it. :2thumbsup:
Great game to read! But this will further cement my distrust of the "townie groups". (Force them to give some evidence that they are not mafia before letting them in... just because they are good players does not mean you should talk to them about the game :whip:) This will probably not apply in games with the mafia having back up roles... but still...
This was not the case here, TinCow had a back up role, that of Ichigo's champion meaning Ichigo's PM said something like:
Your champion is: TinCow
Meaning Ichigo's faction was infiltrated from the start and he did not know it, the Jotun was even called his buddy by the gamemaster so blaming Ichigo for not suspecting Tincow is a bit off in my opinion, that was something the rest of the town was supposed to figure out I guess.
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