The Midgard Saga II [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 5

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 16:04

So, in kev-land, GH and Motep are bad townies, because they don't cooperate with you, Kage is a good guy because he does, and the rest of us deserve our fate.

No, they are bad townies because they insist on killing townies when we really don't need to. Holmgangs are optional. We don't have to use them. When you add up 2 Jotuns kills, 1 Holmgang, 1 lynch, and an average of 1 WoG, that is 5 dead townies every "round." We simply can not sustain that rate for much longer. So, those that encourage us to keep that rate up, are "bad townies."

With 3 challanges to face, it seems almost certain you will fight this day. If you expect death at the hands of GH, Motep or Sarathos, maybe now is a good time to reveal, so that you can talk about it after-death, and help the town.

I did (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1991819&postcount=972)... :inquisitive:

And GH, you don't need to play a lot of large mafia games to do some simple math and figure out that you have ramped up our "townie burn rate" for your own amusement. Therefore, "worst townie ever" is a label you have, IMHO, earned. But I'm glad you don't mind. I will be more glad though if you actually help us win. I am sorry you find being a simple townie so boring that you feel you need to actually decrease the town's chances of winning, just so you can have a bit of fun.

TinCow

08-17-2008, 16:18

If Motep is a well known King, why in the blue blazes hasn't the Jotun taken him out yet?! It doesn't quite make sense.

Yes it does. There are two possible scenarios:

1) Motep is a King. The Jotun already know who he is and thus can kill him at their leisure. Plus, he's likely to be protected at night, so they may not want to waste a kill on someone who might not die. Finally, they leave him alive specifically so that the townies get paranoid about why he's being left alive and then lynch him, thus saving the Jotun a kill.
2) Motep is Jotun. No further explanation needed.

Husar

08-17-2008, 17:28

Challenge: Privateerkev

so he gets more of a chance.

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 17:34

My King has ordered me to water down the Holmgang so we can protect Motep. It looks like we will save the Swedish King in spite of himself...

Challenge: Fenring

Your role PM looks nothing like the other role PM's I've seen. Except for W&F, but after his passionate plea to us to keep the chaos God alive, I don't believe anything W&F says.

woad&fangs

08-17-2008, 17:42

challenge: Husar

Because I don't like the other Homgang challenges. Please claim a role Husar.

Craterus

08-17-2008, 17:44

What is the case against PK? He's posted a very legitimate looking role PM, he's part of a growing townie network who's efforts seem to be dedicated entirely to whittling down the number of suspects.

Sadly, you continue to insist on killing your own. Fine, have your fun today, but I'd ask that we all feel a little restraint in future with Holmganging because, as PK has rightly pointed out, the kills are increasing and we're running out of time.

By the way, I'm pretty sure the Holmgang will prove my suspicions correct and it will clearly show PK's true allegiance to whichever faction he belongs.

Don't have dinner tonight guys, you'll be eating your words... ~;)

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 17:47

The case against me is that I am pushing the town to actually do "work."

And GH's case against me is solely based on the fact that he can't believe that I would have been initially skeptical of his role change.

Who would have thought. Skepticism... in a mafia game... ~:rolleyes:

Kralizec

08-17-2008, 17:50

Kev, you're either completely misguided and incredibly stubborn or a Jotun. Since there's a good chance I'll be dead after the challenge I'll reveal my entire role PM:

HUMAN - Fenring

Fennir "the ringleader"

Greetings player. You have received the role of War Veteran and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your King is Vladimir I and your faction is Rus.

Good luck.

Duel score: 4

woad&fangs

08-17-2008, 17:55

Okay, Vladimir I is like the 5th or so name of a lord to be revealed. All of them are from the same timeframe except one: Motep's Role.

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 17:57

Kev, you're either completely misguided and incredibly stubborn or a Jotun. Since there's a good chance I'll be dead after the challenge I'll reveal my entire role PM:

Your faction name is in the wrong place. Your King name is in the wrong place. I have never seen Sigurd say "greetings player" or "good luck." I have never seen the word "duel" used in place of "Holmgang." The overall format is "off."

I believe your role PM is an utter and complete forgery. I gave you the chance to discuss it in private but you insisted on being stubborn. So, here we are.

Craterus

08-17-2008, 17:58

I can see problems with that role PM already:

1) Human is written in runes at the top of most other role PMs. Have you changed this?
2) Duels are called Holmgangs in other role PMs.

Can you explain either of these? Or woad&fangs who has claimed a similar role?

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 18:01

Also, FH was Rus and I am pretty sure he was just a simple Townie. If Fenring is Rus, his role PM would have been similar to FH's. Since FH is dead, he can't "reveal." But I would like to hear his opinion on Fenring. A simple "guilty" or "innocent" would suffice.

woad&fangs

08-17-2008, 18:02

I think Sigurd's messing with us. GH is was also a war veteran but his role pm is completely different from ours.

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 18:05

I think Sigurd's messing with us.

It's Sigurd's job to mess with us. We should expect it.

But when you've seen a very large number of role PM's, and one basically stands out as totally different in format to the rest, it sets off your alarm.

Kralizec

08-17-2008, 18:12

Let's let the other townies decide this for themselves:

Hi Fenring,

I wanted you to know that I have seen your role PM. In fact, I have seen many role PM's in this game. And yours looks nothing like any of ours. This is your PM:

HUMAN - Fenring

Fennir "the ringleader"

Greetings player. You have received the role of [....] and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your King is [....] and your faction is [...].

Good luck.

Duel score: [...]

There are some major problems with this PM. It is written in a different style. It uses the word "duel" which no other PM does. The section where "king" and "faction" are is in the wrong place. The format is all off. There are no runes on top. The whole PM is obviously a fake.

Now, there are two options as I see it. You are either a God or Jotun. I am a human Champion. I represent a group of Champions and Kings and we have been watching you. We will give you the chance to reveal to me. If you are a God, we will keep your identity quiet and work with you. If you do not reveal to me, I will post your role PM and use it to get you lynched.

Kevin

My response:

It isn't fake. I'm neither a king or a champion; I'm a lowly war veteran. Maybe other people with the same role got runes in their PM but I didn't. Instead of quoting I simply copied and pasted the text, so the [font=verdana] and [indent] tags are missing.

-Fenring

You did not respond afterwards. If anyone is stubborn in refusing to actually discuss it, it's you. At first I thought that maybe you simply decided to parade me as a diversion when things were looking bad for yourself but still decided to give you the benefit of doubt. You're either a Jotun who's seeking scapegoats or you think to highly of your intuition. Considering that you're so eager to criticize other townies I'd say the latter is damning enough in itself.

FactionHeir

08-17-2008, 18:14

Well as I said I'm a townie (and revealed to Tratorix already).

Fenring seems guilty to me, given that I don't think you are told your faction or leader.

For full details of my role you'll have to ask Tratorix.

Andres

08-17-2008, 18:19

Gah, I died.

My apologies to 'you-know-how-you-are'. I didn't know... :shrug:

And Fenring is starting to look suspicious...

Kralizec

08-17-2008, 18:21

Andres, you always say that.

woad&fangs

08-17-2008, 18:21

Privateerkev

08-17-2008, 18:24

Fenring seems guilty to me, given that I don't think you are told your faction or leader.

Given the rules constraints that FH is operating under, I would consider what he just said to be pretty damning evidence against Fenring.

If Fenring survives to see the next day phase, he looks like a good lynch candidate.

As for thinking too highly of my intuition, it is actually a collective intuition. Many of us communicate behind the scenes. I then go and say it since I'm already out in the open.

As for being Jotun, consider this. I know the identity of 3 hidden Kings and 1 hidden God. If I was Jotun, at least some of those people would be dead already...

Andres

08-17-2008, 18:27

Kev, I have to ask whether you think I'm a completely incompetent mafioso:brood:

I have several days, Motep's king pm, and the Midgard I thread at my disposal and you honestly think I would choose to use the term "duel score" instead of "holmgang" or "holmgang ability".

Well, I could claim WIFOM, but that's not necessary.

We are all humans and we all make mistakes... Maybe you were in a hurry when forging the pm or maybe you just didn't pay much attention and used "duel" instead of "holmgang".

I don't exclude that I would make such a mistake when forging a role pm :shrug:

EDIT: On the other hand, are we sure all pm's include "holmgang" and never "duel" or something similar (like "fight" or "challenge" etc...)?

Csargo

08-17-2008, 18:31

W&Fs has been wanting to claim for a while iirc. He's said his role, and done other things, but that pm just looks weird to me...

Kralizec

08-17-2008, 18:35

Like I said yesterday: why would I leave out the runes on purpose, when I've gone through considerable effort to forge a PM that matches Sigurd's writing style?
And likewise W&F: why would either of us use "duel" instead of Holmgang? If we were making this up, you'd think we'd be more careful with our language.
Andres is right, everyone can make a slip up. But this is two. Furthermore W&F came out with an almost identical PM for a different faction, wich would be an extremely stupid gamble if the both of us were Jotun.

Well as I said I'm a townie (and revealed to Tratorix already).

Fenring seems guilty to me, given that I don't think you are told your faction or leader.

For full details of my role you'll have to ask Tratorix.

As for this supposed "damning evidence", I've never seen a townie PM myself but I assume that they are different from war veteran PM's :idea2:
Champions apparently know who their king is. War veterans are a notch down the ladder, and I've only been given an alias with no clue who the king really is. It makes sense that a townie would be told even less.

Sigurd

08-17-2008, 18:37

Challenges this round:

1. Motep vs. Privateerkev
2. GeneralHankerchief vs. Privateerkev
3. Sarathos vs. pevergreen
4. Husar vs. Privateerkev
5. Privateerkev vs. Fenring
6. woad&fangs vs. Husar

Tratorix

08-17-2008, 18:47

Fenring's pm looks in line with Factionheir's to me, which would make sense if they were both Rus. There are some changes, but they also had different roles, which could explain it, but... :shrug:

Just don't lynch anyone just becausse their pm says duel instead of Holmgang. I don't think it's too far of a stretch that some of the pm's are written a bit differently.

FactionHeir

08-17-2008, 19:24

There's a few subtle differences and the leader/faction thing that differ really. And the wording for some sentences is very different even though its for the same thing.

Sigurd

08-17-2008, 21:07

Round 5

Six smoking pyres blew their smoke towards a darkening sky. The sun did go below the horizon this late summer - early autumn, but it never got completely dark.
The men of Jomsborg mourned their comrade. Well, some of them. One man, the one they called woad&fangs, exclaimed that it was no loss to Jomborg that shlin28 died. Having him beside you in battle could not have been safe, considering him losing so easily against that bastard visiting during the night. Some of the others didn’t agree. Husar was among them and had the strongest objections. “How can you say something like that to your brother in arms at his pyre? We … You promised when entering the brotherhood to uphold the Joms. To always support your next man, even if he succumbs to the enemy.
I see a dishonest brother here, which no longer wants to be supportive of the law and ideal of Jomsborg”. The men of Jomsborg rounded on w&f asking him about what he meant by those statements he had made. “I made my stand and shall not yield”. Husar walked within the group making a space in it. “Let’s see if your sword arm is any better than Shlin’s”.
Swords were drawn and w&f made the first move. He cut at Husar’s face and then following the motion towards Husar’s knee. Husar stepped back just in time and the blade missed his face. Husar blocked the knee attack and followed up with a hard left hand fist right into the teeth of w&f. W&f grunted at the sudden stars that appeared on a otherwise empty sky and stepped back, but couldn’t avoid the wounds Husar delivered unto his thigh. W&f got back his bearings and attacked more furiously. He feinted a low cut to Husar’s thigh but at the last instant changed the angle and cut into Husar’s chest. Husar bellowed and it was a serious wound. Husar saw red and threw himself against w&f with the tip of his blade aimed at w&f’s stomach. W&f was about to block it, when Husar twirled and with a slash opened w&f’s throat. W&f dropped to his knees and felt the life force draining between his fingers. The sky darkened and he found himself in complete darkness and barely felt the ground hitting his face.
He was awoken by a sweet voice. “Greetings handsome, I shall take you home to the place of such brave men like you”.

In the Danish camp Proletariat was getting ready to sleep. Prole was a bit thirsty and took a long slurp from the water skin and never saw the smirk of a short man sitting alone on a log nearby. Prole suddenly felt tired and sleep came fast. It was just that this sleep was forever.
Prole was floating in darkness and a felt content. The surrounding was absurdly black and there were nothing there. A prick of light suddenly appeared and prole was drawn to it like a moth to a candle. The light grew bigger and bigger and soon engulfed prole. The new place in the light was bright and colourful. Prole had never seen so intense colours before. In this space prole heard a male voice: "Well, the Baptists are in Room 8, and they think they're the only ones here”.

In the Norwegian camp Craterus had turned in early. The idleness at the camp and not having to row everyday had made him lazy. Out of nowhere appeared a great and dark Hulk who grabbed Craterus by the throat one handed and lifted him up to meet a pair of yellow eyes. “Be afraid little human, you are about to die.” Craterus squirmed in the strong grip and he felt that his windpipe was crushed. The dark hulk grabbed Craterus’ head and twisted. Craterus felt something snap. And he suddenly looked at his back. That was odd. Shouldn’t he have died instantly? A rumbling laughter erupted and Craterus was thrown to the ground. The heavy footsteps of this brute grew fainter and then he was yet again alone. He fumbled at his head and neck with his hands and could feel the mangled throat and neck. He felt the panic building at not being dead from this gruesome damage. He grabbed his head and turned it. He felt the bones in his neck setting and he was again whole as if nothing had befell him just before. Could it have been a bad dream?

Killed: (6)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)

Killed by Holmgang: (4)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)

Lynched: (4)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)

WoG: (3)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)

Living: (19)

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Omanes Alexandrapolites
pevergreen
Privateerkev
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

Voting ends at 2000 GMT Monday 18th of August (Deadline)

GeneralHankerchief

08-17-2008, 21:20

And GH, you don't need to play a lot of large mafia games to do some simple math and figure out that you have ramped up our "townie burn rate" for your own amusement. Therefore, "worst townie ever" is a label you have, IMHO, earned. But I'm glad you don't mind. I will be more glad though if you actually help us win. I am sorry you find being a simple townie so boring that you feel you need to actually decrease the town's chances of winning, just so you can have a bit of fun.

I and about 10 other people. What are they, runners-up?

Motep

08-17-2008, 21:28

I and about 10 other people. What are they, runners-up?

yes, I am disheartened at not winning the position. I worked hard! :cry:

:grin2:

El Diablo

08-17-2008, 21:36

My appologies for being quiet on this mafia. I came in to check the game and had to read through 25 odd pages and then had to go before I responded.

I did not know there would be this much activity.

Cheers for hosting what looks like an amazing gamer Sigurd Fafnesbane. Loads of detail and a good story line to boot.

ED

seireikhaan

08-18-2008, 00:04

So, was Prole a missionary too? Perhaps there's a christian cult amongst us?

Ferret

08-18-2008, 00:12

Perhaps...

Craterus

08-18-2008, 00:20

vote: Seamus

Busy or just laying low?

Motep

08-18-2008, 00:22

sooooooooo....

Do we get a write up?

Craterus

08-18-2008, 00:23

Scroll up, it's there. Alternatively, visit the story thread. It's also there.

Motep

08-18-2008, 00:27

Scroll up, it's there. Alternatively, visit the story thread. It's also there.

...oh. I see it now. It wasnt there the last time I looked...:inquisitive:

Tratorix

08-18-2008, 00:28

nvm

Motep

08-18-2008, 00:30

I think your dead...

nvm as well

Sarathos

08-18-2008, 00:31

Csargo

08-18-2008, 00:34

he lived....:brood:

(dont take that the wrong way...)

:inquisitive: Not happy that someone is proved innocent?

woad&fangs

08-18-2008, 00:34

Valhalla, see I told you so~;p

KukriKhan

08-18-2008, 00:38

Danish contingient kinda thining out these days; getting a bit lonely in camp. I really wanna find the gnome/dwarf/poisoner.

pevergreen

08-18-2008, 00:55

Therefore, "worst townie ever" is a label you have, IMHO, earned.
I disagree, that is held by a combination of three players. None of them are GH. One challanged me...

Sarathos, I have revealed...

Craterus

08-18-2008, 00:57

Im unsure on Sarathos challenge, i don't know his role but i believe pever is a townie, he mentions something about wog so i don't know if he's claiming he's after someone who may be killed anyway, but i would say if someone could be wog'd leave them alone, maybe he'll come alive before the wog is active...

but anyway onto GH and Motep challenges, Motep is a well known king and GH is a well known champion, im inclined to believe both are not lieing about that, although some of thier behaviour has had me wondering..., have both challenged PK who im pretty sure is just a regular townie or some other lowly pro town role, the worst part i think it that this isn't done because he's believed to be Jotun, but because GH had a disagreement with PK so is holding some kind of grudge and well Motep i really haven't got a clue, from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me...

Thanks for reminding me about this post, Sarathos.

I'm suspicious, Grizz.

Firstly, you would seem to prefer that challenges were used on more active targets, even though this hurts the town. Perhaps hoping that one will die from WoG and another from Holmgang. That would certainly be helpful to the Jotun cause.

Secondly, you say you believe the reveals of both GH and Motep but then say:
from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me

Husar

08-18-2008, 01:21

Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

for being unusually idle. Usually he keeps analyzing the situation, this time, nothing much.

Motep

08-18-2008, 01:22

vote:abstain

I cant think right now...

TinCow

08-18-2008, 01:31

Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites

You've been ignored for a long time. A family crisis is a perfectly acceptable reason, but you said yourself (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1991785&postcount=971) that you were back and ready to start posting. So... start posting.:whip:

KukriKhan

08-18-2008, 01:37

"Nudge" vote:

vote: Seamus Fermanagh

C'mon ol' buddy, give us some of that analytical skill and alacrity.

Unless you're too busy, or tired, or Jotun. :)

Motep

08-18-2008, 02:41

Unless there is rule saying Jotun cant attack other Jotun, Craterus is not cleared in my eyes.

Pk is not cleared to me eiter.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 02:44

In Midgard 1, this question came up. And Sigurd declared that if there is one "mafia family," then they can not attack each other.

This seems to be standard in all mafia games with one "mafia family."

Craterus

08-18-2008, 03:02

Unless there is rule saying Jotun cant attack other Jotun, Craterus is not cleared in my eyes.

Pk is not cleared to me eiter.

Are you deliberately skipping this part of the write-up?

"In the Norwegian camp"

Sigurd has revealed my faction, and would you believe it, it's the one I claimed. I'm innocent, I can't believe you're contesting that with a straight face...

The town needs to get its act together and start putting the pressure on real suspects like Seamus, Omanes and LittleGrizzly.

Those are my top three.

pevergreen

08-18-2008, 04:56

I would be hesitant on putting pressure on Omanes, as he has said family issues. I can understand, therefore I will defend Omanes until they are resolved.

Craterus

08-18-2008, 05:04

Do you know his role?

GeneralHankerchief

08-18-2008, 05:24

Long day, will check in tomorrow.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-18-2008, 09:00

Sorry for my long absence, I was in hospital tripping out on morphein last night (in a ridiculous amount of pain), only to be told this morning that they thought it maybe a very early warning sign of appendicitus, or a virus and that since they didn't know that they would send me home... gives me a lot of confidence in the healthcare system. Luckily the pain has died down sufficiently for me to at least semi-concentrate, but wait til tomorrow for a more lucid opinion.

It is my understanding from the write-up that Prole was Christian, and that Craterus was protected by Thor (if the whole resurrection thing wasn't enough...)

Don't see why everyone is jumping all over PK. Acting as usual, and exactly as I'd expect. On the other hand GH seems to be way to obvious to be Jotun.

What's the go with LG (I didn't see any reason for him to be overly suspicious in thread... but I'm still a bit dodge on all the painkillers that they were giving me...)

Vote: Husar, I had some reason for thinking him suspicious, and he dealt with a war vet pretty easily...

Need to sleep now, will be back tomorrow.

Sarathos

08-18-2008, 10:00

Vote:LG

Firstly, you would seem to prefer that challenges were used on more active targets, even though this hurts the town. Perhaps hoping that one will die from WoG and another from Holmgang. That would certainly be helpful to the Jotun cause.
Secondly, you say you believe the reveals of both GH and Motep but then say:

from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me
I agree with Craterus, and I think Motep's role reveal is genuine. Yet you see him as mafia....

LittleGrizzly

08-18-2008, 13:08

Ok i realise that paragraph i wrote read a bit strangely, its just my incoherent posting style, let me clarify what i meant (after i go back and figure it out myself)

Im unsure on Sarathos challenge, i don't know his role but i believe pever is a townie, he mentions something about wog so i don't know if he's claiming he's after someone who may be killed anyway, but i would say if someone could be wog'd leave them alone, maybe he'll come alive before the wog is active...

but anyway onto GH and Motep challenges, Motep is a well known king and GH is a well known champion, im inclined to believe both are not lieing about that, although some of thier behaviour has had me wondering..., have both challenged PK who im pretty sure is just a regular townie or some other lowly pro town role, the worst part i think it that this isn't done because he's believed to be Jotun, but because GH had a disagreement with PK so is holding some kind of grudge and well Motep i really haven't got a clue, from my pov motep has no logical stratergy just a kind of all over the place effect, which could be some kind of disorientating stratergy but that just screams mafia to me...

Basically i was criticising all of the holmgangs, as i agree with PK that they are probably going to hurt the town rather than help it, and they probably aren't a good way to identify mafia.

I meant the least criticism to Sarathos' challenge as at worst he was going to kill a lurker or himself, still not to helpful but not too much of a hinderance, When i go on to talk about Motep i do believe he isn't mafia, what i meant is his actions make him seem like mafia, in other words he's a good guy who is acting as if he was a bad guy, but i still think he's a good guy, and i just think GH and PK's little fued is very unhelpful to the town...

Right now onto the voting (i seem to be stuck in italic format?!) i haven't seen anything too suspicious but i am unsure about Fenring's role pm, basically the questions other players brought up about it are good points, even though he raises a good point or 2 in his defence im going to have to...

Vote Fenring

naut

08-18-2008, 13:29

I can't see the town scraping a victory out of this. :no:

Kralizec

08-18-2008, 13:46

Grizzly, W&F claimed an identical role PM and he went to Valhalla.

Also, for those of you who think that Kev's been acting bona fide: view this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1988594&postcount=538) by pevergreen and Kev's response. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1988600&postcount=542)

Here you can clearly see that Pever's claimed role (townie) also used the word duel. And it doesn't have runes. Kev does say that he doesn't consider the reveal proof of anything but neither does he scream "forgery". His claim of being a mere mouthpiece for his network can't be verified so I'll disregard it.

Huge FOS on PrivateerKev.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 14:45

Fenring,

If you've noticed, I've been quiet about you lately. W&F's death write-up basically vindicated you. Or at least, it made the case against you fall apart.

As for my claim of being a mouth-piece, of course it isn't verified. The whole point with me being the mouth-piece is to protect the identity of other people. Them verifying me would make our security measures pointless. :rolleyes:

In general,

I'm not sure who to vote for. I've seen no real case against Husar. I would also like Seamus and Omanes to talk more. But they already have pressure votes on them so any more would just be a bandwagon. Not sure why people are voting for LG yet. So he slipped up with something he said. So what? English isn't everyone's first language here.

And I wish we would get back in the habit of doing tallies...

Andres

08-18-2008, 14:53

PK, what does your network say about Craterus?

It seems to me that the killer broke Crate's neck, so, how on earth did Craterus manage to survive the latest attack?

Craterus was attacked by the "hulk", a character that didn't appear in the first 3 nights. If this "hulk" is a serial killer and not a Jotun, than Craterus is not confirmed innocent.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 14:57

It looks like Craterus was protected. I am assuming by Thor. (Since he seems to be the protecting role this game.)

In Midgard 1, attacks on protected targets still had a write-up.

So, if we assume that mafia of the same "family" can not attack each other, then I believe we can assume that Craterus is totally innocent.

*edit*

I didn't think of the SK angle. SK's though usually give some sort of "catch phrase" so you can get a clue from the write-up. Sometimes, SK's are known to "grin" in some games. Games like Taormina for instance. A great game, but sadly lacking of a write-up...

But back to topic, I think one Jotun, for whatever reason, laid low. And now he isn't laying low. Reasons for "laying low" could be; he simply wasn't getting his pm's in on time, he was sitting out in case he got investigated (Sasaki did this all the time), and he was doing another night action (like investigating.)

GeneralHankerchief

08-18-2008, 14:58

Vote: Abstain

Just moved into uni, busy time for me. Most of my .Org efforts are going to be focused on LotR. Hopefully things will calm down in a couple of days and I can get back into this.

Andres

08-18-2008, 14:59

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 15:04

Maybe we are reading a different write-up, but it doesn't seem like somebody was protecting Craterus...

The story mentions the "Hulk" and Craterus, nobody else is involved.

In Midgard 1, some of the protections seemed magical. The target would be attacked, would suffer damage, and then would heal or not be hurt.

I seem to remember you being very skeptical of protection write-ups in Midgard 1 as well. Unless we get some other evidence of an SK or multiple mafia families, I'm inclined to think "hulk" is just a Jotun who started killing finally.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 15:48

Something always bugged me about W&F's writeup but I couldn't put my finger on it until now.

In Midgard 1, Warluster was the only Jotun to get lynched. Here is his writeup (As quoted in the end-game writeup):

As Warluster dies; I’ll quote the text from the lynching: “Warluster was greeted by a sweet woman’s voice and the scent of fresh air: “Welcome strong one, I will take care of you.” Warluster was Trym the strong, a powerful Jotun and he was greeted by Hel into her realm. The townies finally got one of the Jotun and disposed of him. Two to go.

Now, here is W&F's writeup:

W&f dropped to his knees and felt the life force draining between his fingers. The sky darkened and he found himself in complete darkness and barely felt the ground hitting his face.
He was awoken by a sweet voice. “Greetings handsome, I shall take you home to the place of such brave men like you”.

Notice the similarities?

Now; pever, fenring, and w&f all had role pm's with "duel." Perhaps these are the "cover role PM's" Sigurd gave the Jotun?

Also, w&f has been going out of his way to protect Loki and Fenring. In light of this, I think Fenring is deserving of my vote again. I believe w&f went to Hel so trying to use his fate as proof of your own innocence will not work well.

vote: Fenring

tally:

Seamus: 3 (Craterus, Husar, KukriKhan)

Fenring: 2 (LG, PK)

Omanes Alexandrapolites: 1 (TinCow)
Husar: 1 (Curio)
LG: 1 (Sarathos)

abstain: 1 (Motep, GH)

Kralizec

08-18-2008, 16:10

So this is your new case against me? Pathetic.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 16:12

So this is your new case against me? Pathetic.

You sound defensive. Your not in the lead for the lynch. I admit the case is not strong. But I need to vote. I don't think Seamus is deserving of a lynch yet. You on the other hand are trying to base your defense off of a very suspicious write-up.

woad&fangs

08-18-2008, 16:38

Brave MEN Kev, Brave MEN

Not only that but it said in the battle that I was a Jomsburgian just like I said.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 16:48

Brave MEN Kev, Brave MEN

Not only that but it said in the battle that I was a Jomsburgian just like I said.

Still looks suspiciously like Warluster's writeup. No horses. No blond hair. I have looked at every writeup in this game and yours is unique. As for "men" and "Jomsburgian" don't the Jotun take human form here? Which means, they are in our retinue.

woad&fangs

08-18-2008, 16:52

At death I would of returned to Jotun form but I was greeted as a MAN after death.

Kralizec

08-18-2008, 17:04

I might not get online again before the deadline, so I'm going to Vote: Seamus as a preventive measure of self preservation. Except for his recent inactivity I don't think he's that suspicious so if I do manage to get online again I'll see if I can change my vote safely.

Seamus: 4 (Craterus, Husar, KukriKhan, Fenring)

Fenring: 2 (LG, PK)

Omanes Alexandrapolites: 1 (TinCow)
Husar: 1 (Curio)
LG: 1 (Sarathos)

abstain: 1 (Motep, GH)

TinCow

08-18-2008, 17:25

I have looked at every writeup in this game and yours is unique.

I disagree a little bit on this point. El Diablo's write-up completely omits any mention of what happened to him after he died. No Valhalla, no Hel, no Heavan. That is definitely unique, though it could just be an oversight by Sigurd.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 17:30

I disagree a little bit on this point. El Diablo's write-up completely omits any mention of what happened to him after he died. No Valhalla, no Hel, no Heavan. That is definitely unique, though it could just be an oversight by Sigurd.

A lot of people have had "nothing" happen after death. I believe it means they are simple townies. My guess from reading ED's writeup is that he was just that. A townie. And Sigurd used the writeup to narrate in some WOG deaths. (If you notice, both WOGs in the writeup rode off on horses. I'm assuming they both went to Valhalla.)

LittleGrizzly

08-18-2008, 17:49

After reading through things i have decided that W&F was innocent, so that by association would seem to make Fenring innocent, its not much but i wasn't going on much when i made the vote...

Unvote Fenring
Vote Abstain

Kralizec

08-18-2008, 19:01

Hmmm

Unvote: Seamus
Vote: Husar

I'm not really satisfied with lynching either, but Husar seems the more suspicious of the two.

LittleGrizzly

08-18-2008, 19:16

I think the Seamus vote is based on inactivity mainly, which doesn't seem to be anything to go on so i am not too happy about this lynch, but the nearest other candidates, Fenring and Husar im pretty sure are innocent, so im planning on sticking with my abstain vote, i know it is supposedly unhelpful to the town but i think ill do much more damage at the moment by placing my vote in the wrong place like i nearly did with Fenring..

Motep

08-18-2008, 19:25

Seamus: 3 (Craterus, Husar, KukriKhan)

Husar: 2 (Curio, fenring)

Omanes Alexandrapolites: 1 (TinCow)
Fenring: 1 (PK)
LG: 1 (Sarathos)

abstain: 3 (Motep, GH, LG)

Csargo

08-18-2008, 19:29

Vote:Omanes You're online right now, how about coming and telling us what you think?

Crazed Rabbit

08-18-2008, 19:30

Hey guys, just got back online. I moved into my new apartment over the weekend and the internet wasn't set up; so I checked the campus computer labs, and the library, both of which where closed on weekends. Just got the internet connected 1/2 hour ago.

I just read up to now and I don't have a good idea who to lynch. I don't want Seamus to die just because of a bunch of pressure votes that he hasn't got a chance to answer, though.

I'll try to reread some and get an idea of who to vote for.

CR

Sigurd

08-18-2008, 21:02

Round 5 Conclusion

The Danes were found standing at the Thing’s centre at dawn when the law speaker appeared. He walked up to them having a worried look on his face. “Another one?” The Danes just stared back. One of them spoke: “Proletariat was poisoned as the others. This is not right. It must be the Norwegians. They came here carrying a grudge against us and our King. If the perpetrator isn’t found, we will be forced to leave. You know what that means?” The law speaker knew, it meant a continuation of the war between Norway and Denmark. Many lives were at stake here.
As the law speaker was contemplating on what to do, a group from the Norwegian camp approached. With them was a man with a troubled look. The Danes grew silent upon their approach. The Norwegians were weary in their presence and there was an ice front between the two groups. The law speaker approached them: “What can I do for you men?” The Norwegians seemed reluctant to state their business and it took a short while of staring at the law speaker and the Danes before answering. “This man saw something last night”. He stepped back and let the man with the troubled look in front. The man was called Craterus and he seemed as he didn’t want to tell his story, but finally he spoke up: “Last night … a … being entered my tent. He was more than 8 feet tall and can only be described as a Hulk… He had dark features and yellow eyes and very white teeth with fangs”. The Danes sucked in air and looked at each other. This description only fitted with one creature. “Jotun!!” exclaimed the law speaker. “How on earth did you survive this encounter?” The man called Craterus hesitated. “That’s just it. I have no good explanation other than pure luck”. The law speaker turned to the Danes. “This takes precedence over all other. We need to find this Jotun if he is hiding among us and expel him. The other looked incredulous at the law speaker. “How on earth will we be able to do that? The Jotun has inhuman strength”. The law speaker looked slyly back at them. “Oh, I have a few tricks up my sleeve.”
Now go and join your retinues and proceed to find a candidate. I believe the Jotun hides among us and we need to find him”.

A while later all of the retinues returned. A man called Ichigo handed over the tally to the law speaker. “Is this the man that you all think is the Jotun?” Ichigo nodded. “At least he got the most votes.” The law speaker walked through the crowd and finally stopped in front of a large man. “The say you might be Jotun, Seamus. Would you care to respond to these allegations?” The man called Seamus, laughed hard. “HAHAHAHAHA … you must all be joking. This is surely a joke … right?” The law speaker’s eyes did not betray any amusement. “Cease this man!” Three men that stood next to Seamus tried to grab him, but Seamus was not about to go willingly. He roared and grabbed Kagemusha and Omanes by their throats and slammed their heads together. A man called pevergreen drew a sword and tried to run Seamus through, but Seamus was faster and kicked pever in his knee which buckled and put pever on the ground. Seamus slammed his foot in pever’s face killing him instantly. Pever found himself behind an incredible beauty on a horse galloping through the sky.
The warrior called Husar finally put a stop to Seamus’ berserkgangr with a sword through his heart.
Seamus was still upset but calmed fast when he saw the lithe body he shared a horse with. This was not so bad. Why had he acted so foolishly back there?

Tally

Seamus : 3 (Craterus, Husar, KukriKhan)

Husar : 2 (Fenring, Gaius)
Omanes : 2 (Ichigo, TinCow)
Fenring : 1 (PK)
LG : 1 (Sarathos)

Abstain : 2 (GH, LG)
Not voting : 7 (CR, disco, Kage, Omanes, pever, Seamus, Warmaster)

Killed: (6)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)

Killed by Holmgang: (4)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)

Lynched: (5)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)

WoG: (6)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)

Living: (15)

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
Sarathos
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

Challenges and PMs people... deadline tuesday 18th of August at 2000 GMT

Craterus

08-18-2008, 21:57

Ok people, let's be careful with our challenges. I think it's at the stage of the game where we would do well to limit them and perhaps agree on a single challenge to take place.

Andres

08-18-2008, 22:01

Ok people, let's be careful with our challenges. I think it's at the stage of the game where we would do well to limit them and perhaps agree on a single challenge to take place.

Any idea how you survived a broken neck last night?

Craterus

08-18-2008, 22:09

I was protected by Thor, I even have the PM to prove it. The write-up also clears me: "In the Norwegian camp" and the most recent write-up also groups me with the Norwegians. And yes, I'm a Norwegian.

Now, I'm urging restraint with the Holmgangs. Please don't challenge at random.

LittleGrizzly

08-18-2008, 22:23

I agree, with 20 people dead and only 15 alive we must now be careful and considered in our actions, as far as im aware we still haven't managed to kill a single Jotun, so as i have been saying for a while lets consider our challenges a bit more seriously....

and we need suspects!! anybody have a theory on why someone is suspicious lets hear it! no matter how far fetched it may seem...

Craterus

08-18-2008, 22:26

I don't know, Grizz, I think Seamus was. Look at how powerful he's portrayed in the write-up.

With that out of the way, I'm tempted to reconsider my position on Fenring. It's a completely different style of PM to others, the similarity in write-ups between woad&fangs and a Jotun from Midgard 1. Plus, w&f was quite defensive.

Hmm.

woad&fangs

08-18-2008, 22:28

Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Sarathos
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

I'd like to see two of these people in a Holmgang.

Craterus

08-18-2008, 22:35

No. We need to think about this.

Don't urge people to challenge. It's not helping to make Fenring look innocent.

Privateerkev

08-18-2008, 22:36

I believe that writeups showing a lynch suspect killing "WoG's" is simple narration. And not to be read into too much. After his death, Seamus rode off with a woman on a horse. Sounds like Valhalla to me. :shrug:

Motep

08-18-2008, 22:39

Anybody have anything?

Craterus being norwegian seems to blow my theory out of the water...

Seamus Fermanagh

08-18-2008, 22:43

Oh bother.

Been soloing with the kids all weekend and haven't put a lot of time into this -- apologies all. Usually I am lynched because people don't like what I'm posting.....

As to the whodunnit....here are some questions for thought:

TinCow and Ichigo both voted for Omanes....despite what should have been a clear sense of impending woggage. Ichigo, why comment about his online status in a thread he isn't reading? PM button broken?

Motep has sailed in to lodge a vote with very little posting activity in every round save for round #2. In round #2 he was on the short list to get lynched, posted frequently, and changed his vote three times during the process. Motep, would you not agree that this is classic jotunnish behavior? AND abstaining in the 5th round?!? A place-holder because you "just couldn't think" is one thing...but you had time to tally the votes and were obviously reading the discussion, posting your tally only moments before Sigurd called it a round. Something is fishy here.

GH -- this is also pretty late in the game for you to be abstaining....though to be fair, had I done so, I might not have been lynched, so maybe you know best.

Now, its off for some mead and an effort to make my valkyrie friend hit a real high note....or three. :devilish:

Motep

08-18-2008, 22:49

Motep has sailed in to lodge a vote with very little posting activity in every round save for round #2. In round #2 he was on the short list to get lynched, posted frequently, and changed his vote three times during the process. Motep, would you not agree that this is classic jotunnish behavior? AND abstaining in the 5th round?!? A place-holder because you "just couldn't think" is one thing...but you had time to tally the votes and were obviously reading the discussion, posting your tally only moments before Sigurd called it a round. Something is fishy here.

Well...I can think, I just dont know what to think. As to all else, I speak when spoken to, but other than in my own defense, I really dont have much to say. My theories have been shot down, and are currently burning alive in a pile of smoking rubble...:cry:

Husar

08-18-2008, 22:54

My list of suspects would be:

Crazed Rabbit
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Privateerkev
Sarathos
Warmaster Horus

Crazed Rabbit, well he wants to say more later, hopefully tonight, hurry up m8, we need material, only 7 posts until now.

Fenring has this weird PM, although the duel score is not what makes it weird, the hi player etc makes little sense when every player gets his own tailored role PM etc.

Gaius, well, stopped writing long texts, didn't he? Perhaps because I blamed him for it? But I'm really not sure what to think about him yet.

Kukri, rather neutral-helpful as always but I kinda stop wanting to think it's always true, claims war veteran which he was in Midgard one, but everyone seems to claim that nowadays.

Grizzly, not sure, seems a bit more aggressive than what I know of him though.

PK, TinCow says he is okay based on a role PM and he seems to have a townie network, he says he is their mouthpiece but noone would vouch for him for security reasons, well, maybe noone would vouch for him because there is no townie network?

Sarathos, rather low-key or did I miss something, only 12 posts so far?

Warmaster Horus, active now and then, don't really know what to say yet.

Motep

08-18-2008, 22:59

a townie network, he says he is their mouthpiece but noone would vouch for him for security reasons, well, maybe noone would vouch for him because there is no townie network?

I can confirm the existance of the network, and it was the basis of my theories...

I thought that this townie network was actually started by Jotun trying to discern everybodies roles so as to eliminate the lords as quickly as possible, and avoid townie deaths. And their most influential agents in the thread would sick the town after a god or lord.

*Looks up* Maybe I am paraniod...:shame:

GeneralHankerchief

08-18-2008, 23:05

@Seamus: I'd rather not be abstaining, but RL happens.

Not sure what to make of Fenring.

woad is using common sense arguments and I think is innocent.

Who do you guys want me to challenge?

Craterus

08-18-2008, 23:16

I'd quite like to see Fenring challenged but wait a bit please GH. I think the general consensus is that you are innocent and it'd be best if two suspicious people were involved in the challenge.

Thank you for offering.

Csargo

08-18-2008, 23:50

Ichigo, why comment about his online status in a thread he isn't reading? PM button broken?

He should come in the thread and check it.

Motep

08-18-2008, 23:56

He should come in the thread and check it.

Maybe he had forgotten us. A reminder is always helpful.

Csargo

08-19-2008, 01:00

I'm here, ~:wave:, or at least I was last time I checked. Family crisis and all that blah, blah, blah :mad:

Anyway, I've got a lot of reading to do, so I'll post my opinions later. Just letting you know that I'm back for now.

~:)

:sleeping:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-19-2008, 01:24

@ Husar: My apologies for my vote yesterday. I was still a bit out of it from crazy painkillers and being in hospital etc.etc. see my post yesterday. There was no good reason for me to vote for you yesterday and consider my suspicion as retracted somewhat. I just needed to make it clear that I would be back.

The reason for me not posting long posts...

I was in hospital. It's a big claim but it is true.

Today I am frantically trying to catch up on uni work, but I will pop in later and try and provide some analysis.

Sarathos

08-19-2008, 01:38

Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Sarathos
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

I'd like to see two of these people in a Holmgang.

Well I tried but pever was WOGed...

I disagree, that is held by a combination of three players. None of them are GH. One challanged me...
Yet you are the one to get WOGed, do I sense a hypocrite...

pevergreen

08-19-2008, 01:58

The amount of time I have does not coincide with the time to vote. I apologise to Sigurd for not being able to vote, but certain issues have kept me from focusing solely on this game, as I had hoped to. I once again, apologise to the players and host for not being to stay active enough.

:bow:

My reason is entailed, once again, in the discussion in the backroom thread I created a while ago

GeneralHankerchief

08-19-2008, 04:47

Screw this, someone's being challenged.

Challenge: Fenring

My rating's 5, nothing to sneeze at. We'll see how things play out.

Privateerkev

08-19-2008, 05:08

Can we keep this Holmgang as the only one this turn please?

(And please don't take that the wrong way GH. I don't want you to die. Far from it in fact...)

But Fenring is someone I've been suspicious of off and on for awhile. I'd like to see this fight happen and not be watered down.

Kralizec

08-19-2008, 11:24

If I die and turns out I went to Valhalla (the most likely event since my rating is lower than GH's), lynch PrivateerKev. He has built an accusation against me on quicksand and after it turned out to be nonsense, he came up with an even more feeble line of reasoning to rationalize his baseless suspicion. He's been protective of Seamus, who could have been Jotun if you consider the writeup and who might have been the one who passed on my role PM to Kev in the first place. (Seamus was one of the few people I revealed to in private)

I'm suspicious of Craterus too because he's been parroting Kev for the past 3 pages at least, but he can wait.

Sarathos

08-19-2008, 11:29

If I die and turns out I went to Valhalla
Wouldn't you know where you are going to go by your role pm...?

KukriKhan

08-19-2008, 14:49

I, too, urge prudence in Holmgang selection. With the dwindling number of players, no sense in killing off more townies. I don't mind fighting myself - it has been said and proved that a lesser Holmgang score can sometimes be victorious over a higher-scored player, depending on the roll of the host's dice.

But let's not go nuts throwing around challanges. We have GH v Fenring; let's see how that plays out, especially against the backdrop of night kills.

woad&fangs

08-19-2008, 15:01

Screw it, Go team Jotun:brood:

Privateerkev

08-19-2008, 15:02

Kralizec

08-19-2008, 15:20

Whatever you say, Kev. I'm still going to vote for you if I survive this duel and I encourage others to do the same.

Privateerkev

08-19-2008, 15:35

Whatever you say, Kev. I'm still going to vote for you if I survive this duel and I encourage others to do the same.

Ok. :shrug:

I'm still just a simple Champion. You can disagree with my analysis all you want but I'm not Jotun.

*Edit*

And your name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir) in your role PM doesn't exactly help your case...

discovery1

08-19-2008, 16:22

Ok whats going on, not that I will likely look again before tomorrow morning? So it looks like PK and Fenring are sort of suspects. I don't think PK is someone to worry about though. Aside from Fenring, who I don't think is a strong case, I dont know what to do. Maybe if I go back and reread what was posted....

Well now that's useful.....

Seamus Fermanagh

08-19-2008, 18:19

Thoughts:

As a dead'un, I can neither confirm nor deny the specifics of Fenring's PM with me. I will confirm that I did receive a PM from him on 15Aug08 at 1247 EDT.

I do not believe we are facing a serial killer. Jotuns are supposed to team up to whack gods. Early on, they were probably going slow and making sure of their kills, since they couldn't know who was or was not on the Asgard team at that point. Now, with more investigations, deaths and holmgangs piling up, they are in a better position to branch out for targets. However, as Craterus' results indicate, this is not perfect. EDIT: Remember, gods who are pro-town are tough targets and do not count toward final victory. It is to the Jotun's advantage to ID them, get them lynched if possible, but to focus kills on the human kings.

GH needs to be reviewed with a fine-toothed comb. He's claimed champion status and a current "5" for holmganging. If he isn't playing us all false on one of his patented "brass" reveals, then he is a hugely useful resource for the town who needs to continue to holmgang and get up to jotun killing numbers -- cause in the endgame, holmganging a jotun may be the only way to reverse the numbers trend if things are headed south.

TinCow

08-19-2008, 19:41

Apologies to all, but I do not have time to read the previous posts or to read or answer any PMs that have been sent to me recently. My wife has come down with appendicitis and is going into surgery this afternoon. This is not a serious operation, but I will be AWOL for the rest of today (unless the hospital ends up having wifi) and some part of tomorrow. Please forgive any tardiness in posting or replying to PMs.

Csargo

08-19-2008, 20:30

I hope her surgery goes well TC. I don't think anyone will hold it against you, RL comes first. Good luck ~:wave:

Sigurd

08-19-2008, 21:01

Round 6

That was an intense moment. The Swedish retinue walked together and talked about the events that had transpired at the Althing and Seamus’ demise. “Damn that guy was striong. Did you see how he crushed the sculls of those men?” GeneralHankerchief asked. “Yeah that was something” one of the answered. GH continued: “Which kingdom did he belong to?” The other men looked at each other and shrugged. A man leaning against a tree answered them. “He was once a captain of the Varangian guard and a great warrior in Novgorod. GH snorted: “Hah, not a chance, I fought a Rus the other day and that was nothing worth bragging about. He must have been one of those Jomsvikings. Now those are warriors”. The man leaning against the tree, sneered. “The Rus have as many great warriors as the Joms. We have fought countless battles against the Arabs and we have been as great as the other Norse since the three Varangian brothers became our rulers”.”Bah!!!”, said GH. “That is just rubbish; I can smell the Slavic blood in you. You are nothing but a reindeer herder”. The Rus named Fenring reached the axe leaning against the tree and started cleaning his nails. “We might have Slavic blood in us, but you Swedes are just watered out Norwegians after all. You have nothing going for you and envy your brother to the west in their success over seas”. GH sneered: “Why don’t you just show me how we have nothing going for us, huh? Let’s see if you can use that axe there”. GH turned to one of his companions: “Give me my axe, and I’ll show this little Varangian wannabe a few things”.

GH grabbed the axe and went straight for Fenring. The combination he threw was a bastardised version of the Varangian side sweep. Fenring seemed to know a few things himself and rolled away from the slash and the blow that would have split his head down to his shoulders. But he wasn’t quick enough and all though using his axe as a cutting blade agaist the ribcage of GH, he couldn’t avoid getting grazed by GH’s axe. The two men were bleeding and GH took to his chest just to see that his fingers came away red. Fenring limped a little but composed himself. GH attacked again, but this time he only found a small gash in Fenring’s arm. Fenring held high on his axe and grazed GH’s own arm as he went past, just to slip to a low hold and swing backwards. The axe caught GH square in the back and GH howled in pain. The fight was even now, with both of them bleeding hard. GH hesitated a little and then looked determined to end this. This time GH missed completely and Fenring went under GH’s arm just to plant his axe firmly in the backhead of GH.

GH didn’t even realise that he was somewhere else. The axe had just vanished from his hands and he cried out: “What kind of magic is this?” He heard a woman’s laughter, and it was beautiful. “There will be magic soon my love; I am going to take you for a ride of your life time”. She winked at him and he hoped she had something else in mind but a ride on that horse she was holding.

****

Kukrikhan was weary as he walked in the nearly empty Danish camp. He scanned the area for suspicious people and had his Frankish long sword ready. He was determined to find that little bastard that was poisoning his men. The law speaker believed this dwarf was a jotun shape shifter, but Kukri was not convinced. Why would Jotun shape shift into such a puny little weak thing. He was thus contemplating when he saw the little fellow skulking around. “He ran after him and caught him by the neck. “Now, what do we have here? If it isn’t the little adder that are poisoning out men. Prepare to die maggot”. As Kukri was about to cut the little man in half, the dwarf spit into Kukri’s mouth. What nerve did this rat display? He was going to give this one a slow death. Kukri suddenly felt weak and his legs could no longer sustain his weight. He dropped the dwarf to the ground and collapsed. The dwarf smiled and tilted his head looking at Kukri.

Darkness overtook Kukri and he felt the world spinning. As the motion ceased, he was lying on his back in a pasture somewhere far from the lava infested place he had just been at. This was a sweet smelling place. And what was that flowery smell? Someone stirred next to him and he turned to see what it was. He found himself looking into a pair of indescribably blue eyes. She smiled a perfect smile and kissed him. “Are you in a hurry, warrior, to attend the table of the almighty? I have laboured much lately and are in a need for some recreation”. She looked all hopeful and Kukri could not believe his luck.

Gaius Scribonius Curio, was sleeping lightly in his tent and heard something rustling outside. He got up slowly, sword ready in his hand. In through the tent opening and stooped over, came the most terrifying creature he had ever seen. The creature was huge and it was completely dark save for a smile of white fangs and a pair of shining yellow eyes. The creature noticed that Gaius was not sleeping silently on his bedroll and turned to where Gaius stood. A deep voice rumbled:”Hahaha, I see you are waiting for me. I am sorry to say that your time as at an end. It will be quick”. The creature moved like in a blur and Gaius could not react before he was dangling in the air by his neck. The creature had grabbed his throat and hoisted him into the air. The creature grabbed his head and twisted. But nothing happened. The creature grunted as if strained and dropped Gaius to the ground. “I see you have been blessed by the gods. Fear foe, because I will return and your death will not be swift as it would have been today”. One moment the creature was smiling the evil grin at Gaius and the next he was gone.
Gaius ran out of the tent and yelled: “A Jotun… We have a Jotun among us.

Killed: (7)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)

Killed in Holmgang: (5)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)

Lynched: (5)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)

WoG: (6)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)

Living: (13)

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
Sarathos
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

Sorry about the wait guys.

Vote away... Deadline tomorrow on Odin's day the 20th of August, at 2000 GMT

Motep

08-19-2008, 21:09

------- Night time concluded --------

I just got home, so you will have to give me a few hours to process the data that will result in the writeup etc...

Sigurd

We await patiently...with a touch of fear...

CountArach

08-19-2008, 23:59

Sarathos

08-20-2008, 02:31

With Kukrikhan and GH dead, the list of the living its getting very slim. Who is left to save the town and what can be done?

KukriKhan

08-20-2008, 02:40

Had appendicitis in '60; took the better part of a week to recover, and I was young. Take your time TC. Best wishes.

Likewise to Pev. :bow:

... “Now, what do we have here? If it isn’t the little adder that are poisoning out men. Prepare to die maggot”. As Kukri was about to cut the little man in half, the dwarf spit into Kukri’s mouth. What nerve did this rat display?...

Oh, the shame. I shudda split the lit'ul bastid where he stood, instead o' cursing him first. Chalk it up to being a new-ish warrior.

So, with those 2 (TinCow and pevergreen) legitimately out, we have:

Living: (12)

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
Sarathos
Warmaster Horus

2 are Jotun. Up to 4 townies per day will die, if town gets the lynch and Holmgang wrong (as we have so far).

So, Wednesday (Odin Day) and Thorsday should tell the tale.

Town: please, please: catch the little spitter; for me. Please.

pevergreen

08-20-2008, 02:47

I am also dead KK :tongue:

I would leave Sarathos, I saw nothing as to why he would be guilty.

Seamus Fermanagh

08-20-2008, 03:00

We are penetrated.

One or more Jotun are successfullly masquerading, not lurking.

With GH at a 5 holmgang, I'm wondering about Fenring. Wondering a lot. All of the at start 5+ types are kings, gods, or the enemy...

Motep

08-20-2008, 03:43

No! My champion has fallen! :cry:

And I too suspect he who killed you.

GeneralHankerchief

08-20-2008, 05:07

Hey guys, greetings from Valhalla. The booze is great and the babes are better! Can't wait to see you all here, although later rather than sooner would be nice. If you want this to come true then do your part and avenge me...

seireikhaan

08-20-2008, 05:16

Hmm... verrrrry interesting....

FoS: Ichigo and Warmaster Horus. Ichi's behavior reminds me too much of when he got converted in Netherworld. He's been lurking a lot, but making sure that he's at least friendly, which makes people tend to not notice it as much.

WH: what can I say, its just a real strong instinct at this point, but I'm quite convinced you're scum.

Sarathos

08-20-2008, 05:37

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Warmaster Horus

We haven't heard of these guys in a while, which is a real shame for the time. I do fear most fo this list will be WOGed next turn so unless these guys participate, the town is basically opening up the door and letting the Jotun in and not caring. Why????

Vote:Warmaster Horus you are probably the best candidate for WOGing, please start talking.

discovery1

08-20-2008, 05:45

Vote:Fenring not that I am convinced. maybe I will change it latter.

And FoS:Sarathos

GeneralHankerchief

08-20-2008, 06:16

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-20-2008, 07:09

You haven't heard from me much due to me being in hospital!!!

On that note, my sympathy to your wife, Tincow, appendicitus isn't fun. Hope she is better soon.

Vote: Fenring

Something isn't right here, his PM doesn't fit. Is there anybody who can vouch for him?

He beat war veteran, GH, fairly easily. Another point against him.

I have been attacked. I am proven innocent (thanks to Thor btw...). I have no axe to grind. I just want the town to win.

I shall probably check in later, I still have uni stuff to catch up on, and its my sisters birthday, so I may not make it.

Crazed Rabbit

08-20-2008, 07:14

We haven't heard of these guys in a while, which is a real shame for the time. I do fear most fo this list will be WOGed next turn so unless these guys participate, the town is basically opening up the door and letting the Jotun in and not caring. Why????

Vote:Warmaster Horus you are probably the best candidate for WOGing, please start talking.

What terrible logic.

Vote: Sarathos

If a person is going to get WOG'd, we shouldn't waste our precious time lynching them.

This is an easy vote, one without much risk - Sarathos doesn't have to argue against someone here or even the conventional wisdom of trying to get lurkers to be active.

If you want someone to participate, PM them or something instead of starting lynching them off - because I suspect you wouldn't take this vote off of WH if he did show up. Heck, you don't even need to participate much more in the discussions yourself.

CR

pevergreen

08-20-2008, 07:33

Although Sarathos makes almost no sense, I did get the strong sense of townie when I was alive, Sarathos is normally like this I guess.

I wouldn't vote him.

Sarathos

08-20-2008, 09:11

What terrible logic.
Vote: Sarathos
If a person is going to get WOG'd, we shouldn't waste our precious time lynching them.
This is an easy vote, one without much risk - Sarathos doesn't have to argue against someone here or even the conventional wisdom of trying to get lurkers to be active.
If you want someone to participate, PM them or something instead of starting lynching them off - because I suspect you wouldn't take this vote off of WH if he did show up. Heck, you don't even need to participate much more in the discussions yourself.
So you would lynch an active play instead...? No wonder the town is losing.
I do apologise if I am not making sense and I do agree we should waste our time with lurkers but what else is there to do? Almost everyone on the alive list is a lurker, even you until just now CR, so what discussion can take place if there is no one to discuss with? And what makes you think I wouldn't unvote WH?

I would like to hear your ideas CR.

LittleGrizzly

08-20-2008, 10:18

Okay i am making a case to vote for Warmaster Horus, its by no means a slam dunk but it is the greatest suspicion i have at the moment and heres why....

Firstly im sure Sigurd said he would not wog the Jotun, i have gone back a few pages and can't find it but im quite sure he said it as some point.

Secondly lets look at someone who was wogged, Omanes.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1991785&postcount=971
theres the link to his last post before his wog, 16/08 13:58

Now lets look at WH last post, who hasn't been wogged...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1991855&postcount=977
16/08 15.40

So the only difference there between someone who was wogged and someone who wasn't is 2 hours! (and 2 mins)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1993556&postcount=1091
This is the post where the Wog happened if anyone's intrested...

Tally:

CountArach: 6 (Andres, glyphz, Husar, Kukrikhaan, Privateerkev, Warmaster H )

Warmaster's first vote, fair enough CA was acting a little dodgy, this vote alone is understandable

Crazed Rabbit 4: (FH, TinCow, Tratorix, Warmaster H)

Warmasters second vote, didn't vote the lord out, unscummy move, possibly unknown move though

glyphz: 12 (Andres, Eliit, Fenring, GH, Ichigo, Kukri, LG, PK, Seamus, shlin, TinCow, Warmaster)

Slightly hypocritical off me to criticise this one, but that is a 2nd god wh voted for...

Abstain : 1 (Warmaster)

Usually a good way to stay out of trouble...

Not voting : 7 (CR, disco, Kage, Omanes, pever, Seamus, Warmaster)

An even better way to stay out of trouble, I admit that this isn't a great case, but someone give me a better one and ill jump on board...

LittleGrizzly

08-20-2008, 10:21

Tally
Fenring 2 (Gauis, Disco)
Warmaster Horus 2 (LG, Sarathos)
Sarathos 1 (CR)

Kralizec

08-20-2008, 12:07

As announced, Vote: PrivateerKev

EDIT: nevermind, I thought GSC was suspicious but it slipped past me that he survived assassination last night.

Husar

08-20-2008, 12:47

Hah, knew it.
So the writeup suggests that Fenring is a Rus, so did we/do we have a Rus King or is that perhaps some Jotun hiding identity? People have been claiming all sorts of roles and I'd say don't trust every reveal you got via PM after the two first kings revealed. Revisit, look closely, use yer brain, fyi, I only ever got one via PM and the person is dead, all the others who are supposedly clean I was told, I have never seen their claims, I'm inclined to go on a hunch and vote for one of them if I won't get something substantial soon. :whip:

Andres

08-20-2008, 13:44

It's interesting to see that Motep is still alive.

I suggest you lynch Fenring or Warmaster Horus today.

Motep should fight in a holmgang.

We are near the end game, so now is the time to be open about the townie network.

No need to reveal roles, but people can vouch for each other, can't they?

Privateerkev

08-20-2008, 15:09

vote: Sarathos

Why were you in my tent the other night... :inquisitive:

tally:

Sarathos: 2 (Crazed Rabbit, Privateerkev)
Fenring: 2 (discovery1, Gaius Scribonius Curio)

Warmaster Horus: 1 (Sarathos)
PrivateerKev: 1 (Fenring)

*Sorry LG but I didn't actually see you vote for WH so I'm not counting it in the tally.

FactionHeir

08-20-2008, 15:15

Or rather, what were you two doing together? :tongue2:

TinCow

08-20-2008, 15:22

I am back online in the hospital for the moment. However, LOTR is my first priority at the Org and I've had to devote time to that first. Also, there's still this small factor about my wife (who is doing very well and will probably be released in a few hours). I have just finished reading this thread, but I have a lot of PMs to go over and do not know whether I'll have enough time to get through them, let alone respond, before the voting deadline. I expect to be back to a normal posting schedule tonight, however that is after the vote phase expired. So, for the meantime:

Vote: Abstain

Just to make sure I get counted. If I can get through all this stuff before the deadline, I will change it to an actual vote later.

Privateerkev

08-20-2008, 15:32

Or rather, what were you two doing together? :tongue2:

eww... :brood:

:laugh4:

LittleGrizzly

08-20-2008, 17:17

Im going to Vote CrazedRabbit on account of his suspicious night time activities...

Husar

08-20-2008, 17:30

I think Motep was kept alive because of his ambiguity, I believe he really is the swedish king as GH claimed to be his champion now and that seems about right to me, making a champion promotion up would require something like...a champion promotion before that, but there was none that I'm aware of.
The Holmgang scores Gh gave were also correct so I do not see much wrong, in his fight with Fenring, the dice fell relatively even it seems, first phase they wound eachother, second phase as well and only in the third phase is Fenring the only one to hit. I wouldn't expect a Jotun to let itself get hit that often to seem more human but then I could be wrong but I suspect he's some kind of warrior or maybe not. :shrug:

For now, I will

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Motep

08-20-2008, 17:31

Privateerkev

08-20-2008, 17:38

unvote: Sarathos
vote: Crazed Rabbit

He has been claiming some very awesome abilities in private. But we in the townie network have our suspicions. I think it is time to force a reveal.

tally:

CrazedRabbit: 3 (LittleGrizzly, Husar, Privateerkev)

Fenring: 2 (discovery1, Gaius Scribonius Curio)

Sarathos: 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Warmaster Horus: 1 (Sarathos)
PrivateerKev: 1 (Fenring)

abstain: 1 (TinCow)

Ferret

08-20-2008, 17:50

Hardly awsome, but yeah the first sentence of each night time write up was very, very suspicious.

TinCow

08-20-2008, 17:55

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Crazed Rabbit

The townie network has concluded that he is Jotun based on information he himself provided which fits in nicely with Jotun behavior and known Jotun abilities.

Motep

08-20-2008, 17:57

Screw it.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Craterus

08-20-2008, 18:04

vote: Crazed Rabbit

Best case at this moment.

Kralizec

08-20-2008, 18:11

Why were you in my tent the other night... :inquisitive:

What are you referring to?

Privateerkev

08-20-2008, 18:24

Sarathos knows exactly what I mean...

But it looks like he is off the hook for now...

Kralizec

08-20-2008, 18:30

I'm not convinced of Crazed Rabbit's innocence, but what is this "case" against him? What suspicious night activities?

I did a little digging in the story thread, and this caught my eye.

One such was discovery1. He quite boldly called the 12 that were responsible for this ordeal a bunch of headless chicken. “You are so dumb, when you had a brainstorm it was just a drizzle”.
The Swedes that stood with discovery1 laughed hard.

It says that discovery1 stould with the Swedes, not necessarily meaning he's one of them. It may just as well mean nothing. On the other hand discovery1 doesn't seem to have added much to the discussion, or at least not after I had become more active. In most cases people are explicitly referred to as being part of a faction, or being in their camp at night. The only other people where this is not the case when someone is only used to deliver the tally to the law speaker or to kill a convicted person, or when they turned out to be gods (countarach and glyphz/Loki)

GeneralHankerchief

08-20-2008, 18:40

Disco's a Swede. Kill Fenring.

Warmaster Horus

08-20-2008, 19:02

Well, I'll vote:Crazed Rabbit too. Self preservation, since I don't want to be WOG'ed. And for those who question it, more townies=more for the Jotun to kill.

Sigurd

08-20-2008, 21:02

Round 6 Conclusion

When the law speaker left his tent at dawn he found the entire retinues from the Kingdoms outside. They all looked sinister. He walked slowly along the ranks of Norse with his hands behind his back and glanced at them now and then. The law speaker saw their mind in their eyes. “So you have come to take me? You don’t know me and therefore I am the natural suspect. I am only surprised you waited so long. Some of you I didn’t expect. I am disappointed, but not surprised at this. I am getting used to this by now”. The man called Warmaster stepped out of the ranks. “I am sorry, but it is the majority’s wish that you die”. The law speaker looked into Warmaster’s eyes. “You too? I once had a dear friend that betrayed his master. Why I don’t know, but these things seem to iterate. A millennia ago, I was betrayed by friends and I had to flee. There is evil in this world that want to destroy all that is good. I have fled from it since that time. Darkness has filled the earth since. I see it is time for me to leave again.
The Jomsviking called Husar came up behind the law speaker. “It is time law speaker. It will be quick”. The law speaker sank to his knees and put his palms together in front of him and exclaimed: “Forgive them for this offence to thee, o Lord. Soften their hearts and let thy light enter their souls. Remember thy promise to me and do not chastise them for this. Thy power is great and will prevail. Cleanse this place of evil I pray in the name of thy son. Amen”.
The law speaker bowed his head. “I am ready”. Husar lifted his sword, the point at the nape of the law speaker’s neck and thrust it into him. It appeared like instant death because the law speaker went limp without a sound.

Tally

CR: 7 (Craterus, Husar, LG, Motep, PK, TinCow, Warmaster)

Fenring : 2 (disco, Gaius)
Sarathos : 1 (CR)
PK : 1 (Fenring)
Warmaster : 1 (Sarathos)

Not voting : 1 (Ichigo)

Killed: (7)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)

Killed in Holmgang: (5)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)

Lynched: (6)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)
Crazed Rabbit (R6)

WoG: (6)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)

Living: (12)

Craterus
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
Sarathos
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

Challenges and PMs people. Deadline on Thor's day the 21st of August at 2000 GMT

Seamus Fermanagh

08-20-2008, 22:29

CR may be a good pick. He's been under-the-radar, post-light, but voting just enough to avoid a wog. Does fit the profile.

However, I would caution you that GH is providing sage advice. Do not leave that task undone either.

Ferret

08-20-2008, 23:24

At least you killed someone begining with a J, not Jotun though... :shame:

Motep

08-20-2008, 23:26

FoS: Craterus and PK. They are the ringleaders of the townie group that urged to eliminate the law speaker.

Csargo

08-20-2008, 23:28

Jesus? You guys killed Jesus. For shame.

TinCow

08-20-2008, 23:28

FoS: Craterus and PK. They are the ringleaders of the townie group that urged to eliminate the law speaker.

No, that was my fault. I urged them to lynch him because of a pattern of behavior I saw. I made my case and they followed along with it. Neither of them proposed it, nor do I have any reason to suspect them of anything. If you want to lynch someone for CR, you should lynch me.

Husar

08-20-2008, 23:33

Come on, if pro-town roles behave weird because they think theay have something to hide like Jotun do, it's no wonder that we lynch them because they seem like they have something to hide. :dizzy2:
And that Jesus would show up at a thing meeting in Sigurd's dirty phantasies... :no:

edit: it's actually the second time CR got some power pro-town role and got lynched because we thought he was lying. ~D
But then who said Jesus was pro-town? And if Warmaster Horus is Judas then perhaps he is the little poisoning dwarf? Wasn't Judas a small man?

Sarathos

08-20-2008, 23:53

Challenge:Warmaster Horus
This time you will not escape good sir *slaps with glove*

Warmaster Horus

08-21-2008, 00:18

Um, okay...

I'll ask CR to forgive me, since it looks like we made some mistake. I must say that I'm not a Judas, though. The only reason I'm mentionned in the write-up is that CR and I had more or less the same role, although his seems somewhat stronger. I wish he'd told me about it...
But I'm loyal to the town, through and through. If I die because of Sarathos' or anybody else's challenge, then so be it.

Ferret

08-21-2008, 00:21

Even if he was Judas then he would not be anti town, only anti Jesus. Though he was a loss to the town, due to his detective abilities, no one can be blamed for that loss, WH had been working with him since early on to find the Jotun, and it was PK who brought the issue to the town, rightfully so, not WH. CR should have revealed to at least me and WH, so that we wouldn't lynch him for the strange powers he had.

FactionHeir

08-21-2008, 00:39

Jesus Christ! (pun intended)

Not many townie left alive. Better make sure the next few actions are well thought out.

Privateerkev

08-21-2008, 00:44

I urge the town to let this challenge happen and not water it down. Sarathos was another one on our "list."

TinCow

08-21-2008, 01:04

Agreed. Please do not make another challenge, we need to see a Sarathos write-up.

KukriKhan

08-21-2008, 03:25

Craterus
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
Sarathos
TinCow
Warmaster Horus

Two of those names are bad guys. Several of those claim to be in a 'townie cabal'.

I am dead. My advice means diddly. Here it is anyway: beware players who claim role-knowledge this late in the game, without any public reveals for you to scrutinize.

Good luck town! :thumbsup: 'Gehts los!!'

GeneralHankerchief

08-21-2008, 05:36

Yeah, this game has made me an even stronger advocate for the removal of a townie "informed" group.

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 07:27

Wow.

Nice to see all the people I revealed to stabbed me in the back.

The townie network has concluded that he is Jotun based on information he himself provided which fits in nicely with Jotun behavior and known Jotun abilities.

You know, I've never been lynched as mafia.

Once as the serial killer, killed once by another mafia in Capo I as part of the white hand mob, but other than that I've never been lynched as mafia. Because I'm darned careful, and you would never have a hint of suspicion about me if I was. It's only when I have...a role like Capo that makes me act for the good of the town that I am undone by those I would help.

Only when I'm, say, the FBI detective in Capo II.

Your townie network, Tincow, has twice led to my demise when I had a powerful pro-town role.

No more will I ever give you or anyone affiliated with you info when I have a pro-town role, as it always leads to my death.

I personally wouldn't mind to see the Juton win and destroy the petty pagan kings. But my role is not of that mind.

Yet they are evil and I must fight the Juton, even if it means helping those who killed me.

I give them a Juton, and they turn on me. :shame:

*sighs*

Too bad my role is such that I must forgive my killers and still help them. Yet they will be privy to no more special communications.

And WH - you could have voted anyone to prevent a WoG - and yet you chose me. :shame:

And so I will set to work. Perhaps in the future I will be heeded.

Crazed "Law Speaker" Rabbit

Oh, and I believe Fenring to be innocent.

naut

08-21-2008, 09:07

Yeah, this game has made me an even stronger advocate for the removal of a townie "informed" group.
Agreed.

Andres

08-21-2008, 10:34

It's only when I have...a role like Capo that makes me act for the good of the town that I am undone by those I would help.

Only when I'm, say, the FBI detective in Capo II.

Ah, the memories :laugh4:

And WH - you could have voted anyone to prevent a WoG - and yet you chose me. :shame:

That's interesting, isn't it? Are we 100 % about Warmaster Horus?

If he knew who you are, he could have easily defended you.

Maybe it's time for the townie network to step forward and give all information you have, to let us all judge.

Warmaster Horus

08-21-2008, 11:06

If he knew who you are, he could have easily defended you.

I had my doubts. And whoever I voted for made no difference, since CR was going to be lynched anyway.

Kralizec

08-21-2008, 11:35

Let's analyse the motives people had for lynching Crazed Rabbit.

Im going to Vote CrazedRabbit on account of his suspicious night time activities...

I ask again: what suspicious activities? I don't see why you couldn't have been more open about it then.

Then some others:

unvote: Sarathos
vote: Crazed Rabbit

He has been claiming some very awesome abilities in private. But we in the townie network have our suspicions. I think it is time to force a reveal.

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Crazed Rabbit

The townie network has concluded that he is Jotun based on information he himself provided which fits in nicely with Jotun behavior and known Jotun abilities.

vote: Crazed Rabbit

Best case at this moment.

The townie network has proven itself to be useless at best. Anyone who is in it and has been acting in good faith should recognise that by now. People outside it should simply disregard anything that's being advertised as its product of discussion.

Motep's vote could be regarded as suspicious. I don't know what to make of him.

Warmaster's vote is understandable. He could have voted for someone else to avoid WOG, but maybe he didn't strongly suspect anyone and didn't want to accuse anyone needlessly. That doesn't make him necessarily innocent, though.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-21-2008, 13:23

I have to say that I was confused at everyone's turnaround on CR, I believed him to be innocent (so not all the people you revealed to CR :beam:). This happened at night when I was asleep.

I have my doubts over the trustworthiness of some of the 'pro-town' group.

Pretty much if all the information I've been given is correct then there is only one possible Jotun left. And we know for a fact that there are two.

Also consider the number of 'pro-town' roles.

1) Odin -Lynched R1
2) Loki -Lynched
3)Jesus-Lynched
4)Thor- still alive and out there
5) ...there are rumours of another God out there and alive...

Overbalanced much?

Add to that the three Lord-Champion pairings, that are still alive and that I know of, and something isn't right.

LittleGrizzly

08-21-2008, 14:33

Firstly i can only apologise for my part in CR's lynch, i was back and fore all day about who to vote for, initially i planned to vote for WH, but forgot to include my vote and then some information came up on CR which made me suspicious, i had only a little time left before i was going out and held out on making the vote until i had to go out, incase anyone had reason for me not to vote for CR, unfortunatly Gaius was asleep and everyone else seemed to agree that is was a good case....

anyway onto the reasoning for the vote...

The Jotun have been missing alot of kills, they were only killing 1 person a night to start with and only recently it bumped up to 2, this lead to speculation that the Jotun were investigating rather than killing at the start.

When CR then gave information to the townie group about him investigating a case started to come together, and TBH it was alot stronger than the case i myself made against WH, the most damning thing i had on him was that he hadn't been wog'd, so i put my vote where i thought the case was...

Husar

08-21-2008, 14:58

Well, I do not really know, I believe that the Jotun have adopted something clever but I was never prvided any detailed info by the pro-town network, just "he claimed this, it's genuine, cannot name details". so obviously I think some of these waterproof claims are fake, but I cannot say which since I haven't seen a single one. If I won't get some info soon I may just look for a good Holmgang or a nice voting target(since I have to work during the deadline) and yes, that's blackmailing. ~D

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 16:12

Point one - My role was not that of Jesus.

Point Two - I tried getting some info out of thsoe ... "townies", Husar, and it got me killed. Good luck all the same. The townie group is more concerned about keeping themselves safe than sharing info to help people.

But I will still toil away in the background.

CR

Motep

08-21-2008, 16:19

FoS: Town Network. I have been suspicious of you all from the start, and after getting us to kill several pro town roles, I think it is time that you die.

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 16:21

Don't act like that Motep, you went right along with them as easy as pie.

CR

Craterus

08-21-2008, 16:26

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 16:30

Here's the thing, CR:

Information from Sigurd said that when players perform night actions, they will be noticed by any Gods OR Jotun investigating them. You claimed the ability to investigate and you weren't claiming to be a God. I'm sure you can work out what role that leaves.

Plus, the town detective was Loki, we know that now. Two investigative roles would seem overpowering.

You think I'd be stupid enough to make a claim such that I had to be Juton? Did any of your pagan gods investigate me?

Oh, and I'm glad you have this game figured out so well. That sense of "This game will be the same as the first" led your beloved network (I will not state townie in front of it) lynching Loki and now, me.

What Juton prays, I ask you? I've seen foolish actions in my long life and I expect to see more, but that certainly takes the cake.

CR

GeneralHankerchief

08-21-2008, 19:30

Privateerkev

08-21-2008, 19:36

I say we go after the ringleaders. These would be PK, Craterus, and TinCow. There's a very good chance that one of them has successfully infiltrated as Jotun and screwed everything up. There's no way that a "network" could be this counterproductive on its own.

No, we've been the spokespeople since it doesn't matter if we die. The Kings and Gods are the "ringleaders." I just follow orders... :yes:

I've revealed long ago. If the others want to reveal, that is up to them since it is their necks on the line.

TinCow

08-21-2008, 20:01

Revealing myself cannot do any damage at this point. This is me:

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/human.jpg

Palnatoke, Captain in the Jomsviking army

You are a Champion to Prince Styrbjörn the Strong of the Jomsvikings.
You are a drill instructor at Jomsborg and are a formidable warrior.

If your Prince and leader are challenged to a fight you can take his place. This is however risky as the Jotun will see that another took your lord’s place.

Your Lord is:

Holmgang ability:

PK and I are both Champions and we have been working with our respective Lords throughout this game. All four of us know who each other are. For obvious reasons, I will not disclose my Lord's name without his permission.

I will say that if the town 'network' was infiltrated, it was by someone with a perfect role PM, because we all have role PMs that appear to have been written by Sigurd, and we've had them since the start of the game.

Warmaster Horus

08-21-2008, 20:07

Since I'm most likely dead in an hour, I'll post mine too, and I suggest all in the townie network to do so too.

Human Christian

Bernard the scribe, Irish monk at Iceland and missionary of Christ

You are a missionary for the church on a mission to convert the heathen Norse.
You have nearly no fighting experience and rely on your wit instead of your strength of arm.
You have one task at this Althing:

You will aid the kings and their retinues in finding and disposing of Jotun.
You have some knowledge of the esoteric secrets. There are two other followers of Christ among the retinues. Find them and compare notes.
You have found a number in a book about Jotun which you believe will aid you in finding them. They are:

X X - X X - X X - X X - X X

Finding the other Christians might give you the clues you are looking for.
A Christian symbol carefully placed in your signature might get their attention.

Holmgang ability: probably not as good as Sarathos

TinCow

08-21-2008, 20:13

Since a role with part of the code info has been posted, there's no point in hiding the rest of it. The code was cracked a while ago, but it is completely useless. The code traslates into coordinates which refer to the runes posted in the first post of the story thread. The unscrambled code is three words in the following order:

order
numbers
answer

No one has been able to figure out what this means, and I think at least 10 people have seen it.

Privateerkev

08-21-2008, 20:32

Here is the part I left out of my reveal:

You have secretly converted to Christendom and have in your position a relic that you got on a secret pilgrim journey. It is an amulet with the text XY inscribed on it.
Do not disclose the knowledge of this relic to any other player. Dire consequences might come of it.

Obviously when you see "Dire consequences," you balk at revealing it. But, the cat is already out of the bag. CR shared a couple of his investigation results with me:

As a transfigured being, you really have no need for rest and you find yourself walking amongst the sleeping men in the camps.

You see the man that had just fought the Holmgang (GeneralHankerchief) and decide to take a closer look. You scan his belongings, but see nothing of value. This man wears Norse jewelry and have a Thor's hammer tattooed in the nape of his neck.

Another man which catches your eye, is the one that was one of the candidates for the last lynch (Motep). You take a quick look at his belongings too, but again all Norse and nothing of value to your search for Jotun.

As a transfigured being, you really have no need for rest and you find yourself walking amongst the sleeping men in the camps.

You see the man that had been a leading voice in the discussions at Althing (privateerkev) and decide to take a closer look. You scan his belongings and you find an amulet with the description XY on it. You find it compelling. Could this be related to the numbers you found? They came in pairs. Also this man wears a cross around his neck and you find a scrap of paper with (for some reason this part is left out. I assume it is supposed to read "numbers." ~PK)

Another man which catches your eye, is (Sarathos). You take a quick look at his belongings too, but again all Norse except for the same book you read, the one about Jotun, and you see that this fella has made some notes next to the numbers. You scan them and realize that they are different in this book. not only that there are more numbers.
Your numbers are the same but you see that this fella has made some corrections.

They read:
4 1 5 1 - 2 4 - 6 1 - 4 2 - 2 4
2 3 – 5 2 – 11 4 – 11 1 – 3 1 – 2 4 – 6 2
2 2 – 10 1 – 6 2 – 1 4 – 9 2 – 2 4

I then got this from Sigurd,

Day 5

As you check your belongings you discover that your precious amulet is gone.
You can't find it anywhere and you realize that someone must have taken it.

Sigurd

I assumed Sarathos took it since he was able to change the numbers afterwords. WH, EF, and CR each had a number string. They all found each other and combined the strings. Sarathos took my amulet, was able to change a couple numbers, and we got the new ones from CR. They read "order," "numbers," "answer" like TC said.

But, Sarathos denies all. Here is a PM exchange between him and CR.

I think Sarathos is Jotun. I got this from Sigurd, but Sarathos totally denied it:

Another man which catches your eye, is (Sarathos). You take a quick look at his belongings too, but again all Norse except for the same book you read, the one about Jotun, and you see that this fella has made some notes next to the numbers. You scan them and realize that they are different in this book. not only that there are more numbers.
Your numbers are the same but you see that this fella has made some corrections.

They read:

4 1 5 1 - 2 4 - 6 1 - 4 2 - 2 4
2 3 – 5 2 – 11 4 – 11 1 – 3 1 – 2 4 – 6 2
2 2 – 10 1 – 6 2 – 1 4 – 9 2 – 2 4

But as I said, Sarathos denied it:

Greetings,
Jotun hunter. I have found out that you have information on the Juton:
5 1 - 2 4 - 6 1 - 4 2 - 2 4
2 3 – 5 2 – 11 4 – 11 1 – 3 1 – 2 4 – 6 2
2 2 – 10 1 – 6 2 – 1 4 – 9 2 – 2 4

I, too, hunt the Juton using similar methods - a book about them with similar numbers.

To aid in our hunt, I must ask how to came to have those numbers, for mine where slightly different;

You have found a sequence of numbers in a book about Jotun which you believe will aid you in finding them. They are:
2 3 – 5 2 – 11 4 – 11 1

I'll provide any assurances you want to prove my innocence, but please do not let this message fall into the wrong hands.

CR

Greetings CR, have no fear for I have been told your identity and believe you are town. This message will be read by no one else but me, thought I am not quite sure why I have received it. To reveal a secret, I am just a lonely War Veteran and did not recieve any of the said numbers nor do I know their meaning.

I'm afraid CR, you have the wrong man.

PK, tell your townie friends I think Sarathos is Jotun.

CR

The thing is, the fact that CR could investigate made us suspicious. So, we made the decision to take him out.

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 20:44

Lord, give me the patience to deal with this...people.

The thing is, the fact that CR could investigate made us suspicious. So, we made the decision to take him out.

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

CR

Privateerkev

08-21-2008, 20:47

What were we supposed to think? We already know of 3 Gods and Loki. Why would there be a 4th (or 5th)?

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 20:55

Q:
Why do I have to be a God?

Q:
Why would I tell you something that would mean I have to be a Juton?

I've never gotten lynched as mafia (just once as serial killer) - because I don't act like I do when I have a power town role. I just don't do anything that would let me get caught.

Q:
Why can only Gods and Juton investigate?

Q:
Why in the vast world would I give you all that info, which your accursed townie network passed around without giving me one iota of info back, if I was Juton?

No, you and your accursed network got the willies because there was something not exactly the same as Midgard I (see Loki) and you overreacted out of fear.

CR

Sigurd

08-21-2008, 21:04

Round 7

The Men of the kingdoms stood around the body of the law speaker and didn’t quite know what to do. What was that oath he made? It was a funny wording and it reminded them of something a hovgod would say at a blot, praising the Gods. Warmaster answered them. “He was a follower of Christ, but I can’t exactly say what his prayer meant. It was strange to my ears too”. The man called Sarathos stepped out of the ranks with an accusing finger. “What do you mean about a follower of Christ? Who is this Christ you speak of?” One of the Rus men answered: “White Christ was the only son of the Jewish God, or so they claim those down in Constantinople. A few of the Swedes and Norwegians stirred and spat on the ground. One of them had something to say: “Odin and his sons, yeah our God have several sons, will not approve of this. I think it might offend them to learn that we had a White Christ follower as the law speaker at His Thing”. The other Norse shouted hear, hear. “Odin might even smite us with soot or weak arms in battle for this offense”. The warrior called Sarathos turned on Warmaster, “You seem to have known that the law speaker was a white Christ follower, how did you come to such knowledge?” Sarathos grabbed the tunic of Warmaster. A small wooden cross attached to a leather cord around Warmaster’s neck spilled out of the tunic. “What have we here? I think we have another one”. Sarathos let go of Warmaster’s tunic and grabbed the pommel of his sword. “I call you out on a Holmgang. Let’s see whose God favours who. Your God against mine.
Sarathos stepped away from Warmaster and the crowd made a clearing in the throng. Warmaster stood with his head bowed and someone threw a sword at his feet. “Come on Jew, show your skills with the sword. Let’s see if your faith is more than sucking thumb” The others laughed at the jest. Warmaster looked defeated and would not take up the sword. One of the Rus chimed in: “I heard that master of yours were a man lover, is this so?” More laughter was heard. Warmaster seemed to not care. He knew he wouldn’t stand a chance against a Norse battle hardened warrior, besides his master did forbid it. Turn the other cheek was the mantra and his followers had done so and were murdered. Warmaster looked up towards the sky and calmly spoke: “My Lord my God, I give my soul to thee.” Sarathos exclaimed: “Not another weakling… I remember having seen this display before. How could I have forgotten? There were many fine and barely ripe women on the isles south of Hjaltland that did that display of meekness. I thought they were giving their maiden head to me as a gift and it was me that they called Lord. HAHAHHAHAA it was actually a prayer to that White Christ? This is too good to be truth”.
Warmaster finally reacted: “Those were innocent nuns, you bastard!!” Warmaster grabbed the sword and with the strength of faith slashed at Sarathos. Sarathos did not expect this and was caught off guard. He received three wounds from the frantic slashing of Warmaster and was bleeding much. Sarathos was losing strength but he was the better warrior and countered the next attacks giving Warmaster a few wounds too. Warmaster made a final attempt to get back at Sarathos, but this time Sarathos was prepared. As Warmaster tried to use the sword as a spear, Sarathos twirled and lopped Warmasters head off by a well placed blow to the neck.

Warmaster was floating in darkness and hurried to a light which made him feel comfort. In the light he found friends waiting for him and he was at peace.

In the Rus camp, Fenring felt much better, surprisingly much better after yesterdays Holmgang. The healing process was nearly unnaturally fast. The wounds had closed and his muscles weren’t sore. He could nearly function as usual. He walked over to his tent and picked up a skin of mead. As he gulped down its contents he saw a small man standing a little way up grinning at him. Before Fenring realised his mistake he was on the ground with stomach cramps. “Damn that dwarf, he has poisoned me”, was the only words he could utter before slipping into darkness.

Fenring felt a little agitated when he found himself in a field of flowers. He was killed by the worst thinkable and cowardly way, and by a half man. This didn’t bode well for the place at Odin’s table. A woman’s voice came from behind him and he felt two lithe arms snuggling around his waist: “Hello there stranger, I am to take you home. Do you mind spending some time here first?” Fenring turned in the embrace and answered when he saw who stood behind him: “Not at all, I believe I have an eternity waiting. A few moments in this place shouldn’t matter at all”. The woman laughed and kissed him deeply.

Killed: (8)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)
Proletariat (R5)
Kukrikhan (R6)
Fenring (R7)

Killed in Holmgang: (6)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)
woad&fangs (R4)
GeneralHankerchief (R5)
Warmaster Horus (R6)

Lynched: (6)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)
Seamus (R5)
Crazed Rabbit (R6)

WoG: (6)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)
Kagemusha (R5)
pevergreen (R5)
Omanes (R5)

Living: (10)

Craterus
discovery1
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Husar
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Privateerkev
Sarathos
TinCow

Vote people... Deadline at 2000 GMT on Freya's day the 22nd of August

Ferret

08-21-2008, 21:06

Who are these Juton you speak of? :clown:

Craterus

08-21-2008, 21:58

I say we go after the ringleaders. These would be PK, Craterus, and TinCow. There's a very good chance that one of them has successfully infiltrated as Jotun and screwed everything up. There's no way that a "network" could be this counterproductive on its own.

And BTW, wasn't there a bandwagon on CR earlier in the game, sometime around when everybody viewed me as suspicious? Take a long look at those people as well.

And how was the town doing before the network? A god and a king lynched consecutively?

Well. Done. :applause:

Stubborn townies such as yourself have been nothing but a hindrance for pretty much the entire game and now you're hellbent on those final few steps of self-destruction.

Go ahead.

Kralizec

08-21-2008, 22:08

Craterus

08-21-2008, 22:14

If the townie network can't garantue that all its members are innocent (hint: they can't) we should start lynching their champions. If the death writeup paints a champion as guilty, the identity of the "king" must be revealed since he must be guilty as well. If the champion is innocent the king should stay hidden of course.

And if the write-up yields nothing?

Because hey, please identify the guilty write ups so far (hint: you can't). Or are you sure that there are still 3 Jotun among us?

Privateerkev

08-21-2008, 22:14

Fenring:

Since we seem to be losing 4-6 people a "turn," that strategy will not work well for us. :no:

Ferret

08-21-2008, 22:16

I still think Fenring could be Jotun...and I never did believe Motep's reveal.

Craterus

08-21-2008, 22:19

Just some info we digged up about your 'character', Fenring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir

Finally got the link right.

Warmaster Horus

08-21-2008, 22:27

He's supposed to be the son of Loki (glyphz)... Seeing how Loki was (apparently) good, maybe lynching his kid isn't a good idea?

Privateerkev

08-21-2008, 22:28

There was never proof that Loki was good. Only that he had not turned yet.

woad&fangs

08-21-2008, 22:29

Or Sigurd could just be making Fenring's name Norse sounding like he did to mine and GH's.

edit: and didn't Loki's death writeup have him being greeted by his father? Loki's father was Jotun. His mother was Aesir. At least that's how I remember it.

Kralizec

08-21-2008, 22:38

Just some info we digged up about your 'character', Fenring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir

Finally got the link right.

Kev posted that before, and it hasn't gotten less stupid since.
My role name is Fennir the ringleader. Like with everyone else it's a play on my forum name. The resemblance is pure coincidence (as is the fact that you found such an obscure "clue", I suppose), and drawing conclusions from it is as stupid as concluding that El Diablo because of his name.

Warmaster Horus

08-21-2008, 22:47

Well, we've now got the proof: Fenring is (was...) innocent, and I was a follower of Christ. That you people would call me a Jew... Get your religions right! (that last line was a bit of IC banter, no insults intended).

From the write-up, I managed to hurt Sarathos a bit, and I don't think he's a Jotun.

Csargo

08-21-2008, 22:49

Fenring felt a little agitated when he found himself in a field of flowers. He was killed by the worst thinkable and cowardly way, and by a half man. This didn’t bode well for the place at Odin’s table. A woman’s voice came from behind him and he felt two lithe arms snuggling around his waist: “Hello there stranger, I am to take you home. Do you mind spending some time here first?” Fenring turned in the embrace and answered when he saw who stood behind him: “Not at all, I believe I have an eternity waiting. A few moments in this place shouldn’t matter at all”. The woman laughed and kissed him deeply.

No horses.

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 22:52

I said Fenring was innocent, did I not?

CR

Kralizec

08-21-2008, 22:56

Well, that's it for me I guess. Good luck guys :balloon2:

Crazed Rabbit

08-21-2008, 23:08

For the sake of good as well as your pagan gods, lynch Sarathos. He lied about his knowledge of the Juton, as even PK admits.

CR

glyphz

08-21-2008, 23:09

Living: (10)

Craterus (was attacked, likely innocent)
Gaius Scribonius Curio (was attacked, likely innocent)

discovery1 (fought a Holmgang, and won)
Husar (fought a Holmgang, and won)
Sarathos (fought a Holmgang, and won)

Motep (claims to be a king)
Privateerkev (claims to be a champion)
TinCow (claims to be a champion)

LittleGrizzly (Tyr)

Ichigo

What now?

Kralizec

08-21-2008, 23:14

No horses.

It was a murder. Think about it :juggle2:

LittleGrizzly

08-21-2008, 23:30

I was a bit unsure about this, but its getting late in the game maybe its best my role is out...

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Aesir.jpgYou are Týr the God of combat and glory. He lost his hand when he bravely placed it in the mouth of the wolf Fenrisúlfr (Fenris) so that he could be bound with the ribbon Gleipnir.

You are a one of the Æsir and are currently hiding amongst the retinues of the kings at Althing. You do not know who your fellows Æsir are. One of the traits of gods in hiding is their ability to completely hide from each other.

In this game you are master of Holmgang and have the ability to bless the fighters. Every night you will decide to bless one of the fighters in a Holmgang challenge. If that challenge is selected, the fighter will gain 2 Holmgang points for that round. No one will notice this blessing and it if it helps them win it will appear to be by luck.
Pm me the name of the player you wish to bless every night. You can only bless a player who is listed in one of the first 6 Holmgang challenges.

You are also a master of all combat forms and can spot them easily. Any Jotun who fights in Holmgang will make their abilities known to you, even if they attempt to hide it. If a Jotun fights in Holmgang, you will notice.
The penalty is: you must spend much time to observe the fighters before and after Holmgang. If a god or Jotun observes you, they will notice you are not asleep.

Holmgang ability: 100 against humans (guarantied win). 10 against other gods or Jotun.

I used copy paste to put it in here, i remember some argument about that earlier, i couldn't copy the whole image.

I can tell you that Husar and Disco are innocent after observing them in holmgang. Sarathos is Guilty he showed up as Jotun.

Just before everyone in the townie network decided to reveal i was talking about the possibility of the small dwarf being an SK, this i wouldn't notice from holmgang...

anyway this is the post i made...

He was determined to find that little bastard that was poisoning his men. The law speaker believed this dwarf was a jotun shape shifter, but Kukri was not convinced. Why would Jotun shape shift into such a puny little weak thing.

That is an extract from kurki being killed by the dwarf..

Now compare it to the extract from the huge killer..

The creature was huge and it was completely dark save for a smile of white fangs and a pair of shining yellow eyes.

The man was called Craterus and he seemed as he didn’t want to tell his story, but finally he spoke up: “Last night … a … being entered my tent. He was more than 8 feet tall and can only be described as a Hulk… He had dark features and yellow eyes and very white teeth with fangs”. The Danes sucked in air and looked at each other. This description only fitted with one creature. “Jotun!!” exclaimed the law speaker.

Out of nowhere appeared a great and dark Hulk who grabbed Craterus by the throat one handed and lifted him up to meet a pair of yellow eyes. “Be afraid little human, you are about to die.” Craterus squirmed in the strong grip and he felt that his windpipe was crushed. The dark hulk grabbed Craterus’ head and twisted.

FactionHeir

08-21-2008, 23:34

If disco is innocent, Motep is too.

So that leaves PK, TC and Ichigo.

TinCow

08-21-2008, 23:36

Sarathos is Guilty he showed up as Jotun.

Vote: Sarathos

Csargo

08-21-2008, 23:37

Vote:Sarathos

Kralizec

08-21-2008, 23:39

nevermind, I think you can figure it out now.

TinCow

08-21-2008, 23:40

I am declaring right now that I am going to challenge PK in Holmgang. Whoever survives, LG can publicly state whether they are guilty or innocent.

LittleGrizzly

08-21-2008, 23:40

Forgot we were in voting period

Vote sarathos

FactionHeir

08-21-2008, 23:41

Ummm I don't get this. LG first posted that Sarathos, Husar AND disco were innocent. Then he edits and makes Sarathos guilty.

LittleGrizzly

08-21-2008, 23:49

Yeah it took me a while to make the post, getting my role together and the stuff i wrote about serial from the townie network group and after i made the post i got a pm from sigurd...

You observe the combatants as they circle each other in Holmgang. Warmaster Horus does not handle his blade well, and his thrusts are clumsy. Luck and frenzy are all that count for his hits. But Sarathos looks strange. He is clearly a skilled warrior, but he makes mistakes that seem intentional. Sarathos is intentionally hiding his skill at arms, and there is something about his grip that makes you sure he is Jotun.

Kralizec

08-22-2008, 00:00

I'm unsure about LG's edit. I do agree with Factionheir that discovery1 is innocent.

Crazed Rabbit

08-22-2008, 00:06

I can tell you that Husar and Disco are innocent after observing them in holmgang. Sarathos is Guilty he showed up as Jotun.

Gee. REALLY GOOD WORK ON THAT ONE, TOWNIE NETWORK. :wall::wall::wall:

Great job, really. Hey, let's lynch the guy who's given us a Juton instead of, you know, the Juton he named. Instead of maybe seeing if he's right, let's off him the instant he reveals his abilities to us. And then let's high five each other.

Luckily there will be only one Juton left after this.

CR

Craterus

08-22-2008, 00:14

Gee. REALLY GOOD WORK ON THAT ONE, TOWNIE NETWORK. :wall::wall::wall:

Great job, really. Hey, let's lynch the guy who's given us a Juton instead of, you know, the Juton he named. Instead of maybe seeing if he's right, let's off him the instant he reveals his abilities to us. And then let's high five each other.

Luckily there will be only one Juton left after this.

CR

It's 'Jotun'. Seriously, for the last time, J.O.T.U.N.

In other news, vote: Sarathos

Crazed Rabbit

08-22-2008, 00:21

Meh. Jotun then.

I'm glad the network got one insignificant thing right.

CR

Husar

08-22-2008, 00:39

Vote: Sarathos

Well, CR, I'm sorry we lynched you, I sort of was told that noone had cracked your code and when I cracked it (and won a prize as Sigurd told me, I'll send you my data later Sigurd ~D ) I thought it was so easy that if you had had it for a while you would have surely cracked it because, and you may take that as a compliment, I think you are pretty clever. So my reasoning was that you prolly gave it to us to lead us astry and made the whole christian thing up to cover your jotun friends after seeing that some people apparently went to heaven in writeups. I'm sorry that I voted for you for thinking you were too intelligent. ~;)

As for my role:

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Huggne "The Saxon"

Your role is War Veteran. You serve the Lord of Jomsborg. You feel patriotic towards your faction and will rejoice at the other factions misfortune should they be killed either by Holmgang or Jotun. Your duty to your king and the Allthing is to find and promptly execute the Jotun that hides in the King’s retinues during the day phase of the game. During the night phase and starting in round 2, you will be able to show off your skills with the sword and challenge any other player to a Holmgang.

May the Gods be with you.

Holmgang ability: [just awesome]

and a bit later:

Night 6

As you walk among your fellow Jomsvikings, Husar you notice their new found respect for you.
You crushed your opponent in a Holmgang. The War Veterans of your faction slaps you back and you are called into your leader.

Styrbjörn the Strong calls you into his presence and gives you the new office of Champion.

Your Holmgang value is [even more awesome].
Your leader is [a friend]

BCC to [that friend] as a FYI.

Now that tells me GH didn't make the promotion up and when Gh then doesn't come up and say Motep is not his king then I suppose Motep is indeed his king, i.e. the swedish king.
TinCow is indeed the first champion of my king and PKev was/is the champion of someone who was attacked/killed so if Grizzly really is Tyr then I say we should be done once Sarathos is dead and if it's not we might want to pit Grizzly against a certain someone I won't name before we're there.

The only thing that makes me feel weird is that we had a similar situation in Midgard one, but Tyr's result on Sarathos seems rather clear, so maybe this time it ends well after all.

FactionHeir

08-22-2008, 01:33

So uh with 1 king left, defeat is immiment if there are 2 Jotun (or 1 jotun, 1 killer) left?

GeneralHankerchief

08-22-2008, 01:42

Stay nice to each other - Andres

Csargo

08-22-2008, 01:44

I like donuts.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-22-2008, 01:44

All is not lost then...

However I can reveal that aside from Sarathos there should be another Jotun hiding. I know this because I am Thor. I protected Sarathos last night as an experiment, and no that is not as stupid as that sounds. If by some chance I protect a Jotun they cannot kill that night and receive a penalty during Holmgang.

[INDENT]https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/Aesir.jpg

You are Þórr(Thor) God of thunder and the most formidable Æsir warrior.

You are a one of the Æsir and are currently hiding amongst the retinues of the kings at Althing. You do not know who your fellows Æsir are. One of the traits of gods in hiding is their ability to completely hide from each other. You will seem like a red haired thrall to them.

In this game you are the ultimate doctor and have the ability to protect 2 players from the evil Jotun. Should you be killed which is hard, you will still be able to protect one player as Gods don’t really die but will return to Asgard.
Every night you will lay a hammer amulet outside the door of two players and when they put it around their neck they will become an immortal. Also they will gain a Holmgang point in the following Holmgang round.

Should you be so fortunate to place your hammer amulet with a Jotun, the magic will reverse. He become cursed and will not be able to perform any night activity. His Holmgang score will be temporarily reduced with one point the following Holmgang round.

[/FONT] Your foremost task is to aid the humans in their search for Jotun and help them expel the sorry beasts to Hel.
During Holmgang you will be able to mask your godly abilities but you will seldom lose.
Should you fight against another God or Jotun, you will notice, but the crowd will not.

Holmgang ability: [All you need to know is the best...]

This leaves us in a pretty poor situation. Let me sum up the claims of various people. Please feel free to correct me where I am wrong. I feel justified doing this because while giving out the identity of 'Kings', with my ability this will guarantee us this day phase, the night phase, provided no Kings challenge, and the next day phase and a Holmgang at least, before the 'Kings' can be killed.

We need to figure out who is lying...

Curio: Thor
Little Grizzly: Tyr (and just about the only person left alive that I have no doubts over)

Husar: Champion
PrivateerKev: Champion
Tincow: Champion
Discovery1:Champion

Motep: King
Craterus: King
Ichigo: King

Sarathos: Guilty

On that bombshell...

Vote Sarathos

Craterus

08-22-2008, 01:52

nevermind.

Csargo

08-22-2008, 01:58

You guys are acting like children... whining and bickering.

Csargo

08-22-2008, 02:05

No point in not putting it out there now:

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Prince Styrbjörn the Strong of the Jomsvikings.

You are the first ruler of Jomsborg, and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.

You have been summoned to this ting by the rulers of the Norse world to settle a dispute between Harald Bluetooth of Denmark and Haakon Jarl of Norway. Harald Bluetooth hired a Jomsviking army from you, but it was crushed by Norwegian hirdmenn. This is a stain on your honour as a leader of a mercenary band. You are at Althing to try to regain some of that honour you once had.

Your survival is important. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.

You have a champion in your retinue. This is Palnatoke one of your Captains.
If you are challenged to a Holmgang he can take your place. If the Holmgang you have been challenged to is the one which will be fought I will send you a pm with the question of you wanting a champion in your place. Your captain is however a free man and can say no to your request. It is however not honourable amongst the warriors of Jom to fight another man’s battle.

Your champion is: TinCow

Holmgang ability: = 8

discovery1

08-22-2008, 02:15

Vote: Sarathos of course.

And remember that huge thing about motep and him accidentally revealing me as his champion? Curio has it right.

Privateerkev

08-22-2008, 02:24

Well, Curio put it out there so I will confirm it:

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Jardar Viking, son of a chieftain in Hordaland

You are the Champion to Haakon Jarl of Norway.
You have trained at Jomsborg and will soon serve in the Varangian guard after this meeting at Althing, Iceland.

If your King is challenged to a fight you can take his place. This is however risky as the Jotun will see that another took the king’s place.

Your King is: Craterus

You have secretly converted to Christendom and have in your position a relic that you got on a secret pilgrim journey. It is an amulet with the text XY inscribed on it.
Do not disclose the knowledge of this relic to any other player. Dire consequences might come of it.

Holmgang ability: 5

Craterus was attacked by someone. He is innocent. I am in his role PM and he can confirm it.

If that is not enough, I got the positive (meaning: non-Jotun) protection from Thor, I got investigated by Loki and CR (otherwise known as not-Jesus)

Night 1

You find an amulet depicting a hammer on your bedroll.
You put it on and feel somehow stronger. It is as if you have gained immortality.

Your Holmgang ability has been temporarily increased to 6 for this coming round.

Night 2

As you stumble upon privateerkev, you notice his calm and poised being. He takes care of his gear before lying down to sleep. You notice that he is alert even in sleep. Yet as you hope something will happen, it doesn't.
He stays on his bedroll the entire night.

As a transfigured being, you really have no need for rest and you find yourself walking amongst the sleeping men in the camps.

You see the man that had been a leading voice in the discussions at Althing (privateerkev) and decide to take a closer look. You scan his belongings and you find an amulet with the description XY on it. You find it compelling. Could this be related to the numbers you found? They came in pairs. Also this man wears a cross around his neck and you find a scrap of paper with

So, Craterus, Curio, glyphz, and CR can all confirm what I am saying.

And, before I forget...

Vote: Sarathos