OOC Thread and Chatroom

[Mooks]

i feel like BtSH has been lacking activity recently, certainly Curia activity. Anyone else getting this feeling?

If we have went along with my Greece idea, none of this would have happened.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

i feel like BtSH has been lacking activity recently, certainly Curia activity. Anyone else getting this feeling?

Well, we certainly have had fewer conversations / debates in the Curia; but I believe that that is because we are RP'ing being afield, hell across an Ocean, you know? I don't personally like to use representatives to speak for me. Rather, I choose to use my aid who sits there taking notes to deliver letters that I send. That's just my preference; but it does contribute to fewer discussions.

We have a congressional session coming up in a week or so, and I will return to Roma for that. I've been too far from my house, etc and I want to stir the pot some. (Yes, Bean, I saw your statement that I, Tiberius Claudius Marcellus, of the Gens Claudia would dare try to bribe your representative)

Perhaps one of the Dux, Duxes, Duxi, Duxasauruses? should propose a CA that each active player must post something in the Curia (either themselves, their aids, via letter, etc) at least once every 3 days or once per week. We could use this as the benchmark for inactivity (say you miss two postings - unless you give notice - and you are moved to the inactive list). Additionally, this would keep conversation and debate going. Just a thought.

[/Bean\]

Perhaps one of the Dux, Duxes, Duxi, Duxasauruses?

Definately that one. Trust me, I'm a dentist...Well, I'm not...but I have a dentist..:2thumbsup:

I sometimes don't post in the Curia because I am sorting stuff out behind the scenes that I would post or not post according to the answer. Of course because everybody lives everywhere it can take a long time to get an answer, and all the time the length of time between Curia posts lengthen. We need some sort of system where we discuss more trivial matters, because theres not always stuff about the war to talk about.

[navarro951]

if you ask me i think the reason the curia is so dull right now is simply because things went perfectly. Hell i think we have dealt Epeiros such a blow so fast they didnt know what to do with it lol. If it had gone bad think of all the mess we would of had to deal with.

[/Bean\]

It couldnt have gone bad. I was in charge :2thumbsup:. But dont forget Epirus spam at the beginning of the game. They have had plenty of time to muscle up. I think we just haven't seen their armies yet.

[Potocello]

mm i suppose you're all right =) i guess i'm just missing the Greece debate we had before. can't wait for the congressional council though, that's sure to stir things up

[Potocello]

oo that was a harsh post in the curia, Tiberius :2thumbsup:

[desert]

He's right though. You should have to at least win a heroic victory to get a triumph.

[Potocello]

oh no i know, you should have to win MORE than a Heroic victory. Plus, it's not like Cotta conquered all of Ilyria by himself, he had the Legios I, II, and III at his disposal.

Maybe this should be said in the Curia...

[/Bean\]

Hey! Not you as well Potocello...Where the hell's my team?

And oh, Everyone, we never did anythign about that Event we were planning...shall we continue?

[SwissBarbar]

here's your team.

Cotta go! :cheerleader:

[/Bean\]

Eat that Tiberius! We have cheerleaders :2thumbsup:

[everyone]

And oh, Everyone, we never did anythign about that Event we were planning...shall we continue?

actually, I was thinking of an event concerning another thing, the topic we discussed seems to insignificant is about to be crushed by Legio IV....I'll write some stuff down first....and PM you about it of course, then we'll ask navarro. :creep:

[/Bean\]

Awesome. Go for it

[everyone]

Easy guys, it's only roleplay ;-)
yes, and the Princeps and Consul's reports thread is for posting savegames only, so please don't discuss OOC stuff there when it could be done here.

[Potocello]

yah everyone you're right i should have made the comment here. Bean i was only making jokes, your help is much appreciated =)

[mini]

hi guys :)

i'm the new kid here, playing Quintus Aemilius.
Just tried my first story! :)


Just a Q. I've added in the status thread my request being moved to Rome.
Is that the proper way, or do i need to do it myself everytime?

And is there a rank needed to be able to speak in the curia? or can everyone have a say atleast?
I'm not sure if i got that correct from the FAQ, that everyone had a place in the senate right away.

Does the avatar have to be in Rome to be able to debate? How do we get around this RP issue with avatars being somewhere way off and participating in a debate in Rome? :p

one more edit: do we have an irc channel?

[Potocello]

Hey mini, nice to have a fresh face around here.

If you put in your status that you want to be moved, someone will move you when they take the save, you don't need to take it everytime.

You do need to be in Roma if you want to debate as your character, however you may see people using representatives to speak for their character while their character is away.

You do not need to be a certain rank to speak. Rightnow you are a Tribunus and can join an army. 2 battles and you could have your own Legion! Head over the the Campus Martius to look at the Legios. There is an opening in the Legio III (my legion) if you want to join.

[mini]

Thanks

i'll definitly join in a few turns. Only problem is, i want to get to Rome for a season or so first, to grab my character some ancilliaries, because in my experience (although it has been ages since i played) these are easier to achieve in Rome than on a battlefield.

Should I be minstaken, i'll gladly join your army right away :p

[Potocello]

Haha okay sounds good mini, you're always welcome in the Legio III. Join whenever you want to.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I've added in the status thread my request being moved to Rome. Is that the proper way, or do i need to do it myself everytime?

You can do it either way, just make sure that your SOT post is exactly as you want it w/ regards to who can move you when, where, and why - othewise it will lead to unnecessary drama. I find it best to allow others to move me when I am not in charge of anything, helps speed the game along.


And is there a rank needed to be able to speak in the curia? or can everyone have a say atleast? I'm not sure if i got that correct from the FAQ, that everyone had a place in the senate right away.

You can speak - and we want to hear from you! Lively debate and discussions keep this game flowing. We as a group decide where the path of Rome goes in the game. Your input is necessary. You can speak, vote, and second proposals in the Curia; but you may not propose edicts until you are a Legatus, and you may not propose Charter Ammendments until you are a Dux.


Does the avatar have to be in Rome to be able to debate? How do we get around this RP issue with avatars being somewhere way off and participating in a debate in Rome? :p

You do not have to be in Rome to speak as yourself in the Curia; but I and others feel that that is poor RP. You can get around this by sending letters from your main character and having an aide deliver them or read them (you can even PM other players to read your letters for you if you do not wish your aide to speak in the chambers).

Additionally, some players have chosen to RP a friendly compatriot in the Senate who seems to always be present when their own avatar is off fighting battles or conducting some other business. You can get the best feel for your own way to play by reading the Curia/stories/OOC/ battle report threads.

Enjoy the game!


one more edit: do we have an irc channel?
Not sure about that one

[mini]

Seems like my plans to go to Rome have changed (and therefor, my post in the story thread) ^^


Just wondering: is it possible to have a thread with everyones ingame character in it?
I mean the page which lists their traits/ancilliaries?

Which is updated once in a while?
nice way of keeping track on the progress of other people's stats, cross-reference between player traits and the way it's being roleplayed so you can react on that player in a much better way, etc?

[Potocello]

Go the the Senate Library thread. That should help you

[mini]

aah k nice :)

Of course another question.
Howcome the aedile is lower than a quastor?

No criticizm, just curious ;p

anyway, fabulous concept, i'm going to love this

[Potocello]

an Aedile is a Tribunus who gets elected to Aedile. To become a quastor you have to do like 6 battles or something.

You could be elected Aedile right now, but you could not become a Questor right now..

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

aah k nice :)

Of course another question.
Howcome the aedile is lower than a quastor?

No criticizm, just curious ;p

anyway, fabulous concept, i'm going to love this

An Aedile in ancient Rome was responsible for taking care of a singular building, if I recall correctly. Whereas a Quaestor was a much higher rank in the senate. Wikipedia has the good answers

[Potocello]

Yes go to wikipedia.

and check your PM's Tiberius

[/Bean\]

However Aediles cannot serve in the army, at least until they have served their term as Aedile.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I gotcha Poto.....mwahahahahaha

[/Bean\]

Oh no...:help:

[navarro951]

hi guys :)

i'm the new kid here, playing Quintus Aemilius.
Just tried my first story! :)


Just a Q. I've added in the status thread my request being moved to Rome.
Is that the proper way, or do i need to do it myself everytime?

And is there a rank needed to be able to speak in the curia? or can everyone have a say atleast?
I'm not sure if i got that correct from the FAQ, that everyone had a place in the senate right away.

Does the avatar have to be in Rome to be able to debate? How do we get around this RP issue with avatars being somewhere way off and participating in a debate in Rome? :p

one more edit: do we have an irc channel?

hey there glad to have you aboard m8! im your GM so any other q's go ahead and PM me or talk to the guys looks like they got you all set up so have fun. enjoy!

[Potocello]

Oh no...:help:

Hahaha Bean...if only you knew... :smash:

[/Bean\]

I'm guessing I probably will know soon enough.

Is the next congressional session going to happen this turn or after the next?

[mini]

An Aedile in ancient Rome was responsible for taking care of a singular building, if I recall correctly. Whereas a Quaestor was a much higher rank in the senate. Wikipedia has the good answers

How dare you quote wiki as a good resource, it hurts my eyes.. :D

I've just checked, even on wiki it says that the quaestor was lower than the aedile :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursus_honorum

http://www.livius.org/ct-cz/cursus/cursus_honorum.html

The only way into the senate was quaestor, and in the later republic Tribune of the Plebs (if you were a plebeian, patricians still had to resort to the quaestorship


Aediles were certainly responsable for more than 1 building. If I recall correctly, the whole public works. Also they were responsable for a few important festivities.
Patricians -who were not able to make their name being a tribune of the plebs - usually spend a lot of money as aedile to make their name famous in order to be remembered 3 years later in the praetor elections. Usually they spend so much money on this, that they had to rape their praetorappointed province in order to pay back their debts.
Questors were usually accompanying generals to their companies, running the 'financial side' of things. In reality, they were (ab)used by the general to run errands, send messages down the command line and do all other small jobs the general nor his legates were prepared to do

Well, the rules are made, no point in changing them :D But still, it felt ackward seeing the aedile below a quaestor, as the latter is actually the junior position in ancient rome.
Though I do understand that aediles were only elected for the city of Rome, and since our avatars aren't usually in Rome and quaestors were more numerous and spending time with generals in provinces, for the purpose of this enterprise it is convenient to place the questor above the aedile, as this game is mostly military orientated.
Aediles didn't leave rome nor participated in any army activity.

BUT, stricktly speaking, quaestor IS the junoir position.


Anywayz, doesn't matter :D I just like to be right ;-)

[/Bean\]

Due to the fact that we have no personal currency, riches and the like for this sort of game, these sort of things can be overlooked. However, we did discuss the positions of Aedile and Quaestor a while back, and we came to the conclusion we have now.

[mini]

I wasn't criticizing the game rules by any means :D

[/Bean\]

Not at all. I'm only explaining the situation :2thumbsup:

EDIT: Whoops, I never did finish my battle report, I'll do some more now....yay, done!

[everyone]

hey navarro, I assume you already read my PM to you about the event, but I haven't got a reply yet, so I'm still not sure whether I should carry on with the story I posted yesterday.
so, is the event accepted?

[/Bean\]

"Yes it is," said Navarro...:sweatdrop:

[everyone]

what? where? gah!
I'll just proceed on with the event.

[mini]

cheers @ bean for moving me :)

do u recollect how many turns it would take me to reach you?

[everyone]

ok, I'm done with the event story and rules: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2142450
if anybody wants to change anything, please post here; if navarro changes his mind, please pm me.
and I haven't got time to do everything IC-related for this event, so I'll add more in a few hours time)

[mini]

oeee, warrrr !

[/Bean\]

Hey, nice minimod Everyone, I've only just noticed it

Blagged :2thumbsup:

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

How dare you quote wiki as a good resource, it hurts my eyes.. :D

I've just checked, even on wiki it says that the quaestor was lower than the aedile :)

I stand corrected, I walk in the garden of your Turpulance.

A :balloon2: to whomever can tell me what character in what movie said that (no looking it up! I will know! :whip:)

[/Bean\]

Shrek 2? :2thumbsup: Woo a :balloon2: for me!

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Shrek 2? :2thumbsup: Woo a :balloon2: for me!

Denied:smash:

[/Bean\]

Bugger...can I have a clue

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

No


:-P


On a separate note, does the Consular legion require two Tribuni to accompany the Consul? If so, then technically Blasio should not be operating his Legio IV Roma, as it is not up to full strength.

[/Bean\]

Legions dont require tribunes, at least according to our rules; they take a maximum amount of tribunes.

[The Celtic Viking]

Which is good, because Legio I hasn't had any either since... err... well, since Everyone's (or was it yours, bean? I always mix you two up) first character died and Legio I passed to me. That would've been two legions we could not use just because of that, and that doesn't really seem right to me.

[/Bean\]

No, Asina died, leaving you as Legate, and Cicero (Everyone's new character) joined Legio I

[The Celtic Viking]

Well, yeah, and now that I think about it I had Ibn as well, but that was only for a very short while. Cicero immediately turned Heres and Ibn quit, so by the time I made my first movements with Legio I, there were no tribunes anyway.

[/Bean\]

Oh yeah..well, several people I've PMed have shown interest in joining. Just waiting to see if they actually sign up now

[Potocello]

That's good, it's nice to have some fresh blood around here.

[/Bean\]

Thats if they do turn up. We do need more Tribunes though. Whats that thing called in Biology, about the biomass thing? We should have many tribunes, with slightly less Legates, then less Duxs, then few Praetors and so on. However we now seem to have a lack of lower orders. Get recruiting people!

[navarro951]

"No, some people just won't close their eyes for the reality for some empty gestures. If anyone here have a doubt of your continued position as king, he need only take a quick glance at the constitution. Has it been changed, as the senate voted it should be? No. It is the same as before, keeping Blasio here as a firm dictator. His propositions and pretensions of re-establishing the Republic, false as they were yet still better than what is, have been shown as mere promises you never intended to realise. Some may be fooled by this, but not I.

My calling you for what you are has thus nothing to do with what happened here - a front by which you wish to hide behind - but all with what you do, haven't done and what illegal perks you allow yourself, and even wished to keep for yourself in your fake propositions. So, your unlawful highness, until you actually give up being a king I will keep calling you out as one, and changing the title for reasons of propaganda won't be enough."

(OOC: By "constitution" I'm of course referring to the rules, which still haven't been updated, despite my PM quite a while ago reminding you of precisely that.)

haha cmon TCV such a low blow bud. I am super busy! just because it hasnt been changed, does not mean we are not abiding by those rules. Very un-RP like.

[/Bean\]

"Kill them!"

(Frm Armstrong and Miller...dam you non-living-in-Britain-people)

[navarro951]

hey navarro, I assume you already read my PM to you about the event, but I haven't got a reply yet, so I'm still not sure whether I should carry on with the story I posted yesterday.
so, is the event accepted?

yes i like the idea id like to work a bit more on it with you though.

Guys once again i want to apologize. Things were great with school and work. Then (right as i also become chancellor in wotb) things just go crazy. I have almost no time to do well, anything anymore so ill be as active as i can just try and give me a lil break. :sweatdrop:

[/Bean\]

Alright, but dont forget we have acongressional session by the time I wake up.

Actually scratch that, I might do an all nighter

[navarro951]

yes indeed we do 22:00 Pacific is when i start it! Which means i need to go edit the rules and what not to prepare.

[The Celtic Viking]

haha cmon TCV such a low blow bud. I am super busy! just because it hasnt been changed, does not mean we are not abiding by those rules. Very un-RP like.

It's not "un-RP like" at all. There's been plenty of time for you to do it since they were ruled in and until I brought it up in the Curia, and if you've had time to take the save, post here and read the Curia, then you have had time to fix the rules. I mean, it's not like you have to do anything more than copy and paste, so it's completely fair game, and fully in line with my roleplaying.

If you don't want to take the heat, then you shouldn't turn on the radiator. ~;)

[navarro951]

ya well exactly my point thats all i HAVE time to do is check this mess take the save and go. Ill do it today as i sort of have to and i don work til late.

[The Celtic Viking]

Reading and writing in this thread hardly takes priority over fixing the rules, which only takes a couple of minutes anyway, so I don't buy that excuse. It's not like I'm going "OMGZ" over this, but when it does take this long even after a PM to remind you, you have nothing to complain about when I bring you the IC consequences for it.

[navarro951]

true, its done now by the way, but you put it on Blasio like its his job. Some lowly scribe would of been the one to rewrite that lol not Blasio. Hes not just gonna roll over to some chamber and pull a Thomas Jefferson...hes a freakin senator they had slaves for that :laugh4:

[The Celtic Viking]

Yeah, but since Blasio was a dictator when this took place, it was up to him to see it done. If it doesn't happen, the blame thus rests on Blasio because of that. If he doesn't care to see that the slave not only does what he's told, but does it properly as well, then Pvblivs can attack him for being careless too. :laugh4:

(Of course, the argument that "Blasio doesn't care what the Senate says" is much stronger, and he would probably have it much easier to believe that, thinking such a reason to be a lie. He does view Blasio as an unlawful tyrant anyway, even with these updated laws.)

[navarro951]

haha well i suppose i see ur point. and i look forward to our political opposition. very fun for the curia!

[desert]

Ok, you can go ahead and kill off my character. He is causing a lot of trouble in Taras anyway (what with the impostor and unhappy people traits).

However, I'm going to be gone for the weekend, so I'll pick a new one Sunday night.

[navarro951]

okay i hope you keep to that. Id hate to lose a player!

[Potocello]

Alright, but dont forget we have acongressional session by the time I wake up.

Actually scratch that, I might do an all nighter

All nighters are fun, go nuts. I might do one too actually now that you mentioned the idea...

[navarro951]

All nighters are fun, go nuts. I might do one too actually now that you give me the idea...

man i wish i could do those again!:no:

[Potocello]

hahaha too busy lately navarro? I am good to go, vacation has been great this week although i'm bummed tomorrow is friday, no more vacation next week.

[navarro951]

hah busy is two small a word...life has been meddlesome haha.

edit: also im off to work right now, ill be home in time to start the CC!

[navarro951]

ill be home in an hour getting off work now.

[/Bean\]

"Blasio, it is an affront to the gods that you call this a "republic". I thank Marcellus for his support and I fully agree that a punishment is in order. You do not seriously think such criminal offences you have committed would go unpunished, would you?

Is Marcellus Tiberius? I get confused...

[The Celtic Viking]

All Senators rose upon his arrival

I think you should refrain from saying stuff like that (emphasis added). Actually, from what is said in the opening post in the Stories thread, I think it is strictly forbidden for you to do that, since it involves other people's avatars, and you must get permission from those in control of them to write anything about what their characters do or say. If you say something like "senators rose" then it's fine, because it doesn't automatically include everyone.


Is Marcellus Tiberius? I get confused...

Yes, that's correct. He referred to my character by his last name (Regulus), and since I trust him to be a better authority on which name was generally used than I am (I really have no clue, except it's not the middle name), I did the same.

If anyone could just tell me which one it is I would gladly fall in line. :sweatdrop:

[/Bean\]

I thought it was the law that you had to rise upon a Coronia Civica persons' entrance?

[SwissBarbar]

Yes, in this special case. For the usual sessions in the curia I agree with TCV.

However, I have to remind you all for RP-Reasons in the curia not to confuse the word dictator in its actual meaning with the rank of dictator of ancient rome, which was a highly popular and respected rank, and nothing like a tyrant - at least not until 50 BC

[The Celtic Viking]

If law = compliance with the law, there wouldn't be any criminals, would there? :grin:

But regardless of that, my objection was mainly meant for future references anyway.

[/Bean\]

Haha touche

[mini]

Yes, that's correct. He referred to my character by his last name (Regulus), and since I trust him to be a better authority on which name was generally used than I am (I really have no clue, except it's not the middle name), I did the same.

If anyone could just tell me which one it is I would gladly fall in line. :sweatdrop:

In fact, the correct (polite) way to address someone are the first 2 names :)
eg: addressing me in the normal polite way would be Quintus Aemilius.

It was not since 1AD that using the last name became more of a habit. Calling someone by the last part (won't bother using the latin names for each part) was considered rude mostly. Even by 1BC it was still usually not done, only in the radical progressive circles.

The third part was usually only used when the subject was 3rd person, and confusion was possible.
example
marcus brutus and Gaius Tiddlypus are talking about Publius Cornelius.
Unfortunately, the subject is about a war in gaul, and there are 2 Publius Corneliusses active there.
Therefore we specify which one we're talking about with the 3rd part.

conclusion: as a rule, use the first 2 parts ;-) with few exceptions on random occassions (or simply when being rude)

I wish everyone would stick to this rule, as it's 1) RP-correct 2) polite and 3) less confusing.


I thought it was the law that you had to rise upon a Coronia Civica persons' entrance?

This was actually a law introduced by Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, after the Civil War during his dictatorship. On all public occassions, all men should stand and applaud the bearer of a coronia civica.
So everytime you walk into the senate, we rise and applause. Same thing on court occassions, comita sessions etc.

[/Bean\]

I love history lessons. However, if your really friendly with someone (no, not like that :sweatdrop:) would you just call them by their first first name?

And if your talking about yourself if the third person, what would you use?

[mini]

Calling people by their first name was generally not done in the early republic.
Especially not in public.

Of course when in private, first names or nicknames could easily be applied.

But in public? Always the 2 parts
If you like history lessons
Quintus Aemilius Regillus
= Praenomen + Nomen + cognomen :)

Similar to our First name - Family name and nickname (though unlike now, the latter sometimes became hereditary)


Even when talking about yourself, you should apply praenomen+nomen. (unless ur talking to yourself in private. Even there I would use both, since it was standard behaviour to use both)

I know it is weird, because modern society only uses first names :)
But in the roman time, general practise was as above :)

[The Celtic Viking]

In fact, the correct (polite) way to address someone are the first 2 names :)
eg: addressing me in the normal polite way would be Quintus Aemilius.

It was not since 1AD that using the last name became more of a habit. Calling someone by the last part (won't bother using the latin names for each part) was considered rude mostly. Even by 1BC it was still usually not done, only in the radical progressive circles.

The third part was usually only used when the subject was 3rd person, and confusion was possible.
example
marcus brutus and Gaius Tiddlypus are talking about Publius Cornelius.
Unfortunately, the subject is about a war in gaul, and there are 2 Publius Corneliusses active there.
Therefore we specify which one we're talking about with the 3rd part.

conclusion: as a rule, use the first 2 parts ;-) with few exceptions on random occassions (or simply when being rude)

I wish everyone would stick to this rule, as it's 1) RP-correct 2) polite and 3) less confusing.

Awesome! Thanks. I agree people should use it, but unfortunately, there are those ignorant of it (like I was just a few minutes ago), so it would require that it was put up as a reminder somewhere where especially new players would easily see it. Now that I know I will try to use it, though.

[/Bean\]

Agreed. It does mean that EVERYBODY whould have their character name in their sig. Its very annoying when you have to leave and hurry down to the Senate Library find out their full name when your in the middle of a speech. It keeps everyone waiting :beam:

[everyone]

It keeps everyone waiting :beam:

it doesn't :smash:

anyway, it seems nobody's taken notice on the war against Carthage...I'll just post an edict about it.

[/Bean\]

I took notice...just no one took notice of my thing about sending you to parlay

[The Celtic Viking]

I took notice... only no one took notice of my need to be reminded of it. :embarassed:

[SwissBarbar]

:laugh4:



EdiT:


Pvblis Atilivs shakes his head.

"So it has come to war, then? So be it. It has come to Legio I to, alone, enter southern Gaul? So be it. It has come to me to defend the Allies I first helped to secure? So be it. However, if I and Legio I Apvlia is to safely achieve this, I must again request that Legio I be strengthened, in only a slightly modified version of my last proposal:

Edict 5.3: A unit of hastati from Legio I Apvlia should be disbanded and replaced by two units of triarii, and a unit of of accensi from the same replaced with leves.

Neither the Carthaginians nor the Gauls themselves are any laughing matter, and we need any swinging man we can get. If Caius Aurelius or Servivs Sempronivs wish their legions improved as well, they should propose what edicts they can asking for that, and I will give what support they give to my proposal."



I agree with the replacement, for its historically accuracy, but why 1 unit of hastati into 2 of triarii? Or is this just the shortcut of: Hastati ---> Principes and Principes -----> Triarii, which in the end would be the same?

[Mooks]

In the curia it says Carthrage declared war on us, but I cant find anythign about that in the consul reports.

[/Bean\]

Roleplayed in preperation for upcoming event.

[everyone]

gah! it seems people have not seen the story yet, go here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2142450

and I'll edit the post in the Curia about Cicero (or Manius Claudius) raising the issue of carthage)

[mini]

Can someone give me the composition of our legions?
Just curious bout the historical correctness ;)

Don't have acces to the game (work atm, girlfriend whole wkend ;p).


PS: should you wonder why I haven't spoken in the Curia yet, I feel my character is too junior for it :)
I'm a mere bakcbencher for now ;)

[/Bean\]

Fair enough :beam:.

Legio II is, for the moment, 3 hastati, 1 principes, 1 rorraii, 2 acensai, and 1 equites, plus the generals. I think...

[mini]

The command unit for all armies is the same; a general of sufficient age and office to lead and possibly a younger family member acting as tribune (or a legate if they're a quaestor or above). Additional family members are purely optional. The general should not be used as cavalry unless absolutely necessary. His job is to supervise from behind the fighting line, providing inspiration along with ensuring his men know that valour and cowardice both will be witnessed and this rewarded or punished as necessary. The tribune/legate on the other hand should be used as cavalry, since it is the place of young men aspiring to office to demonstrate their bravery.

Camillian
The Roman core of a Camillian consular army is two legions, represented by the following units:
1 unit of Leves
1 unit of Accensi
1 unit of Rorarii
2 units of Hastati
2 units of Principes
2 unit of Triarii
Optional: 1 unit of Equites (your FM tribune/legate can count as Roman cavalry)

The two socii alae are composed as follows:
2 units of allied skirmishers (any mix of javelineers, archers and slingers)
4 units of allied infantry (two different pairs of Samnite, Lucanian, Bruttium, Ligurian or Gallic infantry)
1 unit of pedites extraordinarii
1 unit of classical hoplites
1 or 2 units of allied cavalry (Campanian, Greek, Gallic, Ligurian or anything else available, or possibly equites extraordinarii)

Polybian
The Roman core of a Polybian consular army is two legions, represented by the following units:
1 unit of Velites
1 unit of Accensi
2 units of Hastati
2 units of Principes
1 unit of Triarii (or two if you're playing with half-sized maniples)
Optional: 1 unit of Equites (your FM tribune/legate can count as Roman cavalry)

The two socii alae are composed as follows:
2 units of allied skirmishers (any mix of javelineers, archers and slingers)
4 units of allied infantry (two different pairs of Samnite, Lucanian, Bruttium, Ligurian, Gallic, or Iberian infantry)
1 unit of pedites extraordinarii
1 or 2 units of allied cavalry (Campanian, Greek, Gallic, Ligurian or anything else available, or possibly equites extraordinarii)

Marian
The Roman core of a Marian army is as follows:
1st Legion
1 General
1 unit of First Cohort
1 unit of cohors reformata
1 unit of antesignani

2nd Legion
1 tribune
1 unit of First Cohort
1 unit of cohors reformata
1 unit of cohors evocata

Support
1 unit of Scorpions/arrow throwers

The allied part is as follows:
1 unit of allied javelin-men
1 unit of allied slingers or archers
1 unit of allied cavalry
Optional: 2 units of allied close-order foot

This represents two legions and their supporting artillery, light troops, cavalry and allied infantry. Feel free to add additional support units. A third legion can be presented by adding three more cohorts as above.

An option for early post-Marian troops is to have just the First Cohort and two normal cohorts as one legion, since there were as yet no veterans to draw upon.

Disposition
Camillian and Polybian armies should be deployed in the triplex acies, three lines giving strength in depth and keeping most of your forces in reserve. Marian forces can be deployed in three, two or even one line as befits the situation.

Key:
Gen - The general
FM - Family member
Tri - Triarii (or allied hoplites)
Pri - Principes
Has - Hastati
Ski - Accensi/Leves/Velites
Ror - Roraii
ASk - Allied Skirmisher
ALI - Allied Light Infantry
AHI - Allied Heavy Infantry
Cav - Cavalry

Camillian and Polybian

----ASk----Ski----Ski----ASk
Cav-----ALI----Has----Has----ALI----FM/Cav
----AHI-----Pri-----Pri-----AHI
--------Ror-----Tri-----Tri-----Gen

Placement of the General varies, as long as he's behind the fighting line it doesn't really matter. Put the extraordinarii wherever you want to, or keep in reserve with the general. The only difference between Camillian and Polybian armies is the absence of the Rorarii.


Those interested, in the spoiler you can find an accurate consular legion (actually 2 legions)

Therefore, legions under the command of a mere praetor, should be halved.


Text above is actually a quote from the following roman playguide:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=101787

I've been using it for years (it used to be an RTR guide, later adapted to EB).
There are some nice tips which can be used in general aswel.

[SwissBarbar]

thanks, great! I'm very interested in such information

[desert]

Hey, how does 1 unit of Principes become 2 units of Triarii? Am I missing something here?

[/Bean\]

Nope...veterans deserve to get upgraded. Also, we need more elite fighters for Illyria, seeing as Epirus has really up its military

[Mooks]

Bah, the whole story thing is just a plot between Everyone and Baen to increase legion 1's standing with easy victories. Bunch of crap.

[/Bean\]

What are you on about?

[desert]

A unit of principes has as many men as a unit of Triarii, so there should only be 1 new unit of Triarii.

[/Bean\]

Its adding a unit desert...no one had any problem with TCV wanting it

[SwissBarbar]

guys, it's a roleplay game. the argueing and plotting is only to be done in the curia. don't take it peronal

[everyone]

Bah, the whole story thing is just a plot between Everyone and Baen to increase legion 1's standing with easy victories. Bunch of crap.

not exactly, bean's (cotta's) legion (and it's Legio II) is in Illyria, he can't do anything much, you must be mistaken :juggle2:
bean was merely coerced by my new picture in the signature to agree to endorse the idea. :smash:

[/Bean\]

Do you see any other legions availiable? Mines the only one that doesnt look like it will be coming back for a couple of years yet. Epirus isnt going to nicely leave us alone.

[desert]

You aren't following me.

The Principes are being replaced with Triarii to simulate their greater experience + wealth, right?

So is each Princeps dividing into 2 Trarii?

This isn't RP-wise or a personal attack or anything, it just doesn't make sense mathematically.

[/Bean\]

Brought up from the Hastati and other Cohorts as well, whose units will then serve to be the new recruits that will have come in. So really, its like adding a unit of Hastati or Rorrarii, theres just no point getting two triarri, disbanding the hastati or rorrarii, then getting another hastati or roarrii

[SwissBarbar]

I see what desert wants to say. aren't the triarii-units smaller than the principes units?

[desert]

Really? But still, they would be, what, 90 men each?

[SwissBarbar]

wasn't there a minimod which halfs the triarii to 80 men or so? maybe we should consider it to intall for BtSH.

But however, if the Triarii are 90 men each, and the principes 160 men each, then we would either lose 70 men for no reason, or gain 20 men - I'm sure we can think of an excuse ^^

[/Bean\]

New recruits! There were be many being sent over if there was a war on.

[desert]

Ahhh whatever.

[Potocello]

could our finances support another legion and the upgraded units that come with edict 5.3?

[/Bean\]

Probs not both yet, lets see how the Punic war turns out.

[Potocello]

I figured as much, oh well that's too bad so much for edict 5.4

[/Bean\]

Could always try...its better having Edicts turned down than not making them...and we'll get money along the way. And we can take it slow.

[Potocello]

I suppose you're right, in that case Edict 5.4 is proposed.

I must say i do love it when the Congressional Council comes around... it's like christmas time.

[/Bean\]

Or the transfer season in Fifa...:sweatdrop:

[Potocello]

Or the transfer season in Fifa...:sweatdrop:

:laugh4: :laugh4: I wish i could watch European football here in the US but i can never find it on T.V.
:thumbsdown:

[/Bean\]

You should have seen Spurs last night! They almost won! How stupid is that! :laugh4:

Yeah, I'm a Spurs fan...Thats Tottenham Hotspur if you don't know.

Don't you have Sky Sports in Americaland?

[The Celtic Viking]

Are you guys sure my edict is invalid? I always read the "1 Charter Amendment/Edict" as a lazy way to write one of each, not choose one over the other.

[SwissBarbar]

I understood it like 1 CA or one edict... but if it's the way you understood it, I'm fine with it too

[Potocello]

I understood it like 1 CA or one edict... but if it's the way you understood it, I'm fine with it too

that's how i understood it as well but just like you, i don't care. let's see what others have to say.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I think that 1 Edict AND 1 CA is better for being able to get things done as well as a good bonus on having attained the rank of Dux. Just my 2 cents

A :balloon2: to Mini for his insight into proper use of Roman names. I apologize for my misuse, and thank TCV also for his regard for my historocity (although evidently unfounded!).

I saw the post in the Curia re: carthage; but no one answered the anonymous senator's question of "where did this information come from? What happened other than they are demanding we leave? Have they attacked us?" Etc.

Edit: While I see the edited story in the stories thread which contains the information re: the punic war, no answer has been given in the Senate

[/Bean\]

(OOC: for some reason, I just thought this debate would get extremely pointless and retarded once Tiberius Claudius Marcellus arrived, and it did.)

Thats a little harsh, don't you think? :beam: But then I do agree :laugh4: jks

[everyone]

probably, but that's how TCM's character normally acts, so it's starting to seem very natural.

[/Bean\]

Yay, roleplay is infecting the mind!

[Potocello]

Ahh it seems like this is getting rather common, people seem to have a hard time separating the RP from OOC. Relax people it's just a game :sweatdrop:

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

No worries, I have thick skin. I play my character the same as I always have - he does have the "firmus, insolens, and seditious" traits afterall.

I don't know why it's "ridiculous and retarded"; but again, no worries. It's all fun to me.

[Potocello]

Good attitude to have Tiberius.

[Mooks]

No worries, I have thick skin. I play my character the same as I always have - he does have the "firmus, insolens, and seditious" traits afterall.

I don't know why it's "ridiculous and retarded"; but again, no worries. It's all fun to me.

Dont mind them. They just think you are too nerdy/too much extra time . What they dont realize though, is thats what they are too.

[/Bean\]

Mooks your starting to go over the line. Just watch what your saying eh?

[Mooks]

Mooks your starting to go over the line. Just watch what your saying eh?

No,I wont. This is the internet, I can say whatever I want and not care in the least whether I hurt your precious feelings. Go **** yourself.

[/Bean\]

This a public forum, Mooks. There are rules. If you don't abide by them then you don't use the forums. Its as simple as that.

[SwissBarbar]

This RP-game here is supposed to be fun, so if you don't have fun please leave and let the others enjoy the game @ Mooks

[desert]

Just put the gun down, Mooks.

And it turns out they have Internet here, so if you don't mind making a new batch, Navarro?

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I think there's some serious misunderstanding going on w/ what Mooks wrote. Something I learned long long ago when the internet was invented (well, not really; but chat rooms were the cool thing to do!) is that its hard to understand the tone that people use on-line.

Let's take 5 and breathe. "Goozfraba"

[Potocello]

Let's take 5 and breathe. "Goozfraba"

Anger Management... balloon? =]

[desert]

Anger Management... balloon? =]

Beat me to it.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Hmmmmm, no balloon on this one; but the offer is still open for anyone who can tell me what movie (without looking!) the line "We walk in the garden of his turbulance" comes from.

[Potocello]

A KNIGHTS TALE!!

by the way, excellent movie. see it if you haven't

[/Bean\]

Haha...you have a strange sense of great movies...

Uh...is it an eastern style movie TCM?

[Potocello]

here's a clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cNS7xCO0N4

[desert]

Damnit Potocello, stop beating me to it!

[Potocello]

Damnit Potocello, stop beating me to it!

Hahaha what can i say

ballon me Tiberius :smash: :smash:

[SwissBarbar]

I have to admit that also I like the film, don't laugh at me ^^

[/Bean\]

*Laughs*

Don't get me wrong; I don't dislike A Knights Tale, but I also don't dislike Bulletproof Monk and the Matrix. They're crap films, but still fun and entertaining. And thats half of what a good film should be...I mean, I like Alexander, but its a terrible film. Same goes for 300, although thats much lower down the scale. And then you got things like the Last Samurai which is awesome, except for a key aspect called Tom Cruise...but lets not get into that

[desert]

Whaaaaa...

The Matrix isn't crap! Are you sure you aren't confusing it with the sequels?

[SwissBarbar]

I'm not complicated with movies, there's only one "habit" I have.

At the days around Easter and Christmas I cannot live without having seen those old, epic and at-least-4-hours-lasting films like the Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, Quo Vadis and King Of Kings at least one time each.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

A KNIGHTS TALE!!

by the way, excellent movie. see it if you haven't

:balloon2: to Potocello for the correct answer

Good guesses all, and I like all of those movies, though I've never seen Quo Vadis. Another decent one is El Cid.


EDIT: Can I get an updated list of the Command structure of Legio I Apulia so I can update the Phalerium? I think I saw TCV write that he is the only one there and I want to make sure. Thanks!

[/Bean\]

Oh no, the first Matrix is good but slightly flawed...the second's just one of those crap follow up movies, and the third would be good if it tried a little harder...its more like a real action film the third one.

Oh, and Everyone, about this event, is it going to be implemented? Because if it is we need to make Carthage more aggressive. Maybe spawn some more armies or fleets for it in dangerous positions, and maybe give it a few cities like Arse (Saguntum) or Messana/Syracuse to represent conquests or alliances that would endager Rome

[The Celtic Viking]

:balloon2: to Potocello for the correct answer

Good guesses all, and I like all of those movies, though I've never seen Quo Vadis. Another decent one is El Cid.


EDIT: Can I get an updated list of the Command structure of Legio I Apulia so I can update the Phalerium? I think I saw TCV write that he is the only one there and I want to make sure. Thanks!

I'm not the only one in it, but I don't have any tribunes. Manivs Clavdivs Cicero (everyone) is with me as a second-in-command.

[Mooks]

Dont worry about it Marcellus. I really dont care. Bunch of grown men (or women) getting upset over some text on a screen doesnt bother me a bit.

[/Bean\]

Oh for gods sake Mooks just keep it civil will you?

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

I'm not the only one in it, but I don't have any tribunes. Manivs Clavdivs Cicero (everyone) is with me as a second-in-command.

Ok, good to know. I thought he was "just" the CoL and didn't accompany you into Illyria. Thanks!

[/Bean\]

Do we even have enough tribunes for every legion to have two? Perhaps we should raise the amount of battles needed to rise to Legatus.

[everyone]

ah, but don't the legions already have their 2nd in commands? it's not necessary for all legati to command a legion.

[/Bean\]

How goes the event Everyone?

[everyone]

nothing much, the trouble of this is that it just forces war with Carthage and gives them many troops; I was thinking something more to role-play or having more functions are better/more varied

[/Bean\]

I was thinking of having on of the Sicilian cities and Iberian cities join Carthage, then spawning them armies in dangerous positions. Navies also need to be looked at

[navarro951]

Hey all, an unforeseen event happened over my weekend within my family and it will make me a bit inactive for a week. If I continue as Consul, i will find time to end the turn and do my gamemaster things but other than that anything that NEEDS to be handled by me I would ask that you PM it directly. Thank you, and my apologies. Im leaving for a day so the council will continue till i return.

[navarro951]

ALSO: Many of you do not know but when this game started out blasio, asina, and scipio were all made Legates from the start as they already have pre-battle history. (You will see that in my later Stories of Dentatvs') So blasio would be a legate not a tribune. It was done due to such a small handful of us when we started. No one would of been able to command.

[Potocello]

Hey all, an unforeseen event happened over my weekend within my family and it will make me a bit inactive for a week. If I continue as Consul, i will find time to end the turn and do my gamemaster things but other than that anything that NEEDS to be handled by me I would ask that you PM it directly. Thank you, and my apologies. Im leaving for a day so the council will continue till i return.

I hope it wasn't anything bad, see you in a week.

[navarro951]

well as i said youll see me, i just wont be as talkative till im back home

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Take care Navarro, you're in our thoughts and prayers

[/Bean\]

Maybe he's paying one of us a surprise visit...ooh i can't wait :beam:

[Potocello]

Maybe he's paying one of us a surprise visit...ooh i can't wait :beam:

Hahahaha i can only hope :2thumbsup:

[navarro951]

well i am home now, brought my aunt home with me for the week. (which is why i may a bit inactive as ill be taking care of her.)

[mini]

take good care of here navarro, i'll pray it all turns out ok.

[navarro951]

thank you, and will do.

[mini]

good night y'all ;p

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Mini, you've a PM. Hope I caught you before you fall asleep.

[/Bean\]

No you dont! Its a lie..whatever he says, dont listen to him :beam:

EDIT: Everyone cheer for the first Spurs victory in weeks! We wont get relegated now...Woooo

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

EDIT: Everyone cheer for the first Spurs victory in weeks! We wont get relegated now...Woooo

Now, being an American, when you say "Spurs" I think the NBA basketball team "San Antonio Spurs" who are my arch enemies when it comes to basketball (a sport that I hate to begin with).

Are you talking about a Brit/Euro Soccer (Football) team of the same name?

[/Bean\]

Tottenham Hotspur, English Premier League Football...i hate basketball

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

i hate basketball

At least we have that much in common! :clown:

[/Bean\]

We both love creative writing a roleplay as well...i have plenty in common OOC..its just my character hates yours' guts

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Touche! It is good to play with you on here, glad I joined.

[navarro951]

yup, indeed a routy bunch hehe. I just wish we had a continuous flow of new players. Eventually were gonna run out of Tribunes.

[/Bean\]

I sent out a load of PMs, onyl a few replied and only a couple gave positive replies...at least one worked :2thumbsup:...does WotB get a continous flow?

[The Celtic Viking]

To say we get continuous recruits would be a stretch, but well, we get it from time to time. There's never enough, though (of course, that's partly because there can't be enough, but...). :shrug:

By the way, Tiberius, Cultured Drizzt fan's avatar Sextvs Cornelivs Svlla has signed up as a tribune in the 1st. You can add that to the Phalerium (where you can change Cicero to the 2nd in command and Sextvs to the 3rd).

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Roger Wilco

[The Celtic Viking]

Guys! Do you realize what day this is? It's the Holy Day! It's the day that our Holy Saint and Saviour™ was born! Exactly (well, give or take a couple of minutes) 21 years ago the miracle happened and He Who Will Save the Faithfuls' Lives™ came to earth: me! It's my birthday! Laugh, drink, party and be merry, for this is a global day of joy!

(By the way, am I weird because I was unsure of my age, and used to think I was turning 22? ~;p)

[/Bean\]

Its Pancake Day!!! Wooo!


Your bdays on Pancake Day? Lucky guy

[SwissBarbar]

Happy Birthday, half-baked fellow :laugh4:

You have a pancake-day?? :2thumbsup:

[/Bean\]

Yeah, shrove tuesday. We dont go to the Diner every morning and have pancakes and blueberrys and cream and bacon and other strange things like that for breakfast. :2thumbsup:

[SwissBarbar]

Where do u live? I emigrate :laugh4:

[/Bean\]

England, arguably the best place in the world :beam:..i'm so glad this is the OOC thread

[SwissBarbar]

I've been to England. Not bad, but not comparable to Switzerland of course. Exept for the pancake day maybe :laugh4:

Look, this is where I lived until 3 months ago:

http://www.wrt.ch/fileadmin/images/wirtschaftsraum_wrt/kurzportraits/thun.jpg

[/Bean\]

Doesnt beat living here, muhahaha

http://image60.webshots.com/760/4/10/42/2386410420046642596BAlgqw_ph.jpg

[SwissBarbar]

I don't see anything

Edit: ah, it worked. Yeah, quite nice. But look where I was working. Our Capial city:

http://em2008.seitenstark.de/bilder/staedte-gallerie/bern/bern-panorama.jpg

[/Bean\]

Hmm, it came up in the preview, i'll try again

[mini]

Tiberius, unfortunately I already escaped to my bed hehe. Did send you an answer now though.
Have a look at it and read between the lines ;)

[everyone]

oh noes. some plotting and Cicero doesn't even know about it. I should start plotting on something new.

[mini]

*tries to look innocent*

[/Bean\]

Blimy Swiss...that I suppose is what happens when your countries neutral during two world wars...

[SwissBarbar]

After centuries of war and being the most sought-after mercenaries in Europe, we have learned and kept our country more or less save, especially during the world wars, that's true ;-)

What you see on the pic is the old town of Berne. World Cultural Heritage. Would have been a shame if it was destroyed by bombs (like Basel, Zurich Oerlikon, Schaffhausen etc. , which were bombed by Americans *cough cough*)

[/Bean\]

I bet Navarro was flying it and TCM was marking the targets...bloody Yanks.. :2thumbsup:

[SwissBarbar]

Looool, I'm sure :laugh4:

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Not only was I marking the targets, but I kissed each bomb as it was loaded inside

[SwissBarbar]

i already thought you to be such an old fellow and being a soldier during WW2 :laugh4:

[desert]

Woah. Those buildings look like carbon copies of the ones that are in one of my WWII RTS's...

Like, seriously, they look exactly the same.

Even that chapel/church in the back...

[SwissBarbar]

*cough cough* I rather think you're game is the copy and my city is the original :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[desert]

The funny thing is, the game buildings were in France, yet that's a Swiss city...

I got deja vu after I thought I'd spotted the place I dropped some paratroopers to take out a German artillery battery.

[SwissBarbar]

:laugh4: And where are you from, if I may ask. What is the greatest Polis in the world?

[The Celtic Viking]

Its Pancake Day!!! Wooo!


Your bdays on Pancake Day? Lucky guy

We don't have pancake day, but we did have what we call "fettisdagen" ("The fat Tuesday") where we eat semlor (http://bloggbilder.aftonbladet.se/images/25733/img_498a34d7d93ce.jpg). Awesome, yes yes! :2thumbsup:

[/Bean\]

No offense, but i'd take pancakes any day over that...

[mini]

i'll take huge-hootered blondes day over your pancake day ;)

[/Bean\]

You havent eaten my pancakes :beam:

[SwissBarbar]

"Make sure you update your SOT regulary...My SOT now beats SwissBarbar's "


Nooooooooo :smash: :smash: :smash:

[mini]

You havent eaten my pancakes :beam:

argh, the gay innuendo... :sweatdrop:[

[/Bean\]

Nooooooooo :smash: :smash: :smash:

I made that sig ages ago :laugh4:

And mini, no. Just no

[mini]

Haha :D ey man, you typed it!

[/Bean\]

It's your twisted mind that somehow turned pancakes into a gay connotation :laugh4:

[The Celtic Viking]

Aww, no need to be jealous, Bean. It's a known fact Swedish girls are much hotter than British ones, and your... pancakes... will never be enough to make up for that - especially not as we actually do have a pancake day as well - just not on my birthday! Ha! :grin:

[mini]

Although I live in belgium, I never seem to stop meeting :daisy: hot argentinan girls.
So as far as I concerned, they're hotter than swedes.

[/Bean\]

Every countries girls are hotter than english girls...no offense to any of them playing of course...I'll go back to digging myself a hole

[mini]

I'd hump charlotte church though, if she loses a few pounds.
And keira nightly if she gains a few :P

aren't they english?

[/Bean\]

Bah! I hate Keira Knightly...

[mini]

not that i am fond of her... humping material nonetheless.

[/Bean\]

Nah, I'd go for Cheryl Cole anyday over Keira Knightly

[mini]

:daisy:

[/Bean\]

my thoughts exactly :2thumbsup:

[SwissBarbar]

Aww, no need to be jealous, Bean. It's a known fact Swedish girls are much hotter than British ones, and your... pancakes... will never be enough to make up for that - especially not as we actually do have a pancake day as well - just not on my birthday! Ha! :grin:

I second that ^^

[/Bean\]

Quiet you! Or I'll bomb your country's arse back to the Stone Age!! Mwuhahahahaha :laugh4:

[SwissBarbar]

maybe you don't have to. maybe our UBS-bank manages this without foreign help :wall:

[mini]

You're implying it has surpassed the stone age in the first place? You must be joking!

[/Bean\]

Haha, very true. It would be satisfying to be able to laugh manicially while flying a bomber squadren over your country though

[SwissBarbar]

You're implying it has surpassed the stone age in the first place? You must be joking!

Well, the current managers have not. The bank as such used to be great. Our political leaders just are spineless, that's the problem.

[mini]

Think that's pretty much the case everywhere tbh. Atleast in Belgium it's the same.

Added to the fact we're almost the smallest country of Europe, but got SIX governements..
Completely unmanagable of course. We've been in a political impasse since 2 years, nothing is happening as we don't have a true federal governement atm.
Luckily we have 5 other governements who can manage to keep things rolling at a minimum base.

[/Bean\]

That sounds liek what we have in BtSH :laugh4:

[SwissBarbar]

Think that's pretty much the case everywhere tbh. Atleast in Belgium it's the same.

Added to the fact we're almost the smallest country of Europe, but got SIX governements..
Completely unmanagable of course. We've been in a political impasse since 2 years, nothing is happening as we don't have a true federal governement atm.
Luckily we have 5 other governements who can manage to keep things rolling at a minimum base.

I'd be lucky too, if the governement in my country would keep things rolling only at a minimum. Unfortunately they roll things at full speed, but in the wrong direction :inquisitive:

[KipDan]

All I can say is, A: Charlotte Church is Welsh and she has lost of few pounds and Kiera Knightly's ribs have broken out of her skin. Kind of proves all of your points, huh?

[mini]

It's humpin' time!

[/Bean\]

Your like my mates puppy, always humping everythign that moves

[KipDan]

It's a shame that they always get neutured.

[/Bean\]

Agh, we need Navarro back, the congressional sessions long overdue to close...I hope he's ok

[The Celtic Viking]

Why the hell did you turn the sign up thread into the new OOC thread? And that extensively, that quick? You crazy?!

[navarro951]

okay gents im back, as i said id be a bit busy for this week. Um lemme get the event things implemented.

[Tiberius Claudius Marcellus]

Why the hell did you turn the sign up thread into the new OOC thread? And that extensively, that quick? You crazy?!

Sounds good to me, let's discipline ourselves to keep the OOC that is non-signup related in this thread.

Man, TCV - you're all over keeping folks in-line in the game and out! If I didn't know better I would think you were a nun. :whip:

[navarro951]

so i think we should give a quick discussion to this event.

I think if Legio I is retrained, put under my (or rather Blasio's) command and moved by cheat to Massalia's province then TCV could move Legio IV and him self to Latium where they could finish the rebels, retrain and go to take sicilia do i have this right?

[/Bean\]

Why are you swapping commands?

Wait, never mind, I read this before the Curia

[SwissBarbar]

After having had an english breakfast, I'm ready for this event. Where are the Carthaginians? :whip:

[/Bean\]

Haha, did you really? I don't have time in the mornings, shame really.

[SwissBarbar]

Bah, you woman. *lol* Yes, I stoop up at 5:30 in order to have enough time to make some boiled eggs, bacon, swiss bircher muesli, marmelade bread, sausages, Toast with salted butter (I had to salt it myself - I exaggerated it a little bit, but fortunately I had some...), ... fruit juice, milk and water.

I almost vomited, but it was awesome and worth every blocked bloodstream.

[everyone]

oh noes I have just came back from school and I found out that Cicero's new commander is navarro. I hope he doesn't get my avatar killed (again). :juggle2:

I've a question about Consular legions though, which consul owns them/it? I suppose currently only one consul has control of a consular legion because we've only one.

[The Celtic Viking]

Sounds good to me, let's discipline ourselves to keep the OOC that is non-signup related in this thread.

Man, TCV - you're all over keeping folks in-line in the game and out! If I didn't know better I would think you were a nun. :whip:

Hey! I'm not a nun (as an atheist, I strongly reject such criminal activities); I'm just a regular divinity who wish to keep some sense to you cackle-heads. ~;p

[everyone]

darn it. what a busy day; didn't have time to take the save just now in the afternoon and can't now because I have to wake up in less than 6 hours from now. :sweatdrop: Fortunately, the next week and the week after that would be spent slacking (mostly), so I won't have another busy day until sometime in May (probably).
and I'll probably be back home on time tomorrow to take the save on the current turn.

[mini]

Meh

I've looked at the rights of a tribune plebis. Should be changed imo.
Tribunes of the plebs were, especially in the later republic (200bc) onwards the lawmakers of the republic. The senate held the purse strings, but the tribunes made the laws. Of course the senate could advise which laws they would like to see, but they did not make the laws. As tribunes of the plebs was an office that granted acces to the senate, AND that it was THE office for any plebeian to make enough name for himself to be remembered at any praetor election, this was a rather important office for plebeians.

Therefore it should become more powerful. More law proposing should be made possible, aswel as more vetoing.
Especially in the last 2 centuries BC, where Tribunes of the plebs were quite powerful when in office (reason why anyone with objectives always bought himself a pair or two tribunes :))

Should therefor become more powerful.
Maybe we should make it a re-electable office for all players below a certain rank (praetor or so), so we can have 2 or 3 lower ranked players to get themselves elected, AND keep eachother in check with the veto. That way factions in the senate can duel it out with their loyal tirbunes when it comes to lawmaking, as it was in real rome :)

May sound stupid that I bring this up now that i am tribune of the plebs, but i haven't taken a look at the FAQ that good before.


Also, any law that is passed, should get a roman name as was the habit back then, containing the last name of the one proposing it (gens part of the name - 2nd part)

[KipDan]

Too be honest this is a game and taking law making powers away from higher ranks would ruin the fun and I can see whilst you guys are keeping to general them this is obviously not supposed to be completely historic.