The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[LittleGrizzly]

Sorry for missing last vote, i have read through everything, right now TS's reveal does seem a little dodgy.... should get back on tonight to vote again...

[ULC]

Sorry, YLC... but isn't that illegal? You have to give a valid reason.

Please, buddy, I can't do this myself. You HAVE performed magnificently this game. Allow me to finish off the scum, and you will be made a knight of the Pizza realm.


Your getting carried away again.....:whip: ATPG you need to do this stuff during the day....I will not read THIS WALL OF TEXT during the night phase.....and I am sure the mods don't want to either.....man, your barking so much that I feel like we lynched a Mafia:whip:....at least wait till the day phase and then argue and convince...:smash:

Edit: and I have no idea why YLC just wants to kill himself:shrug:

:brood:

I will simply hold my tongue right here, right now. You both just seem rather blind to the fact of what has been going on for the last few pages, and what my explanation was. I am becoming emotionally involved, and angrily so, and I will speak out, well beyond the bounds of Org rules, if I am pushed farther. I explained myself once, and I flatly refuse to post further. I will not reply to anything directed at me, and will ignore the thread completely, even after it is finished. So if this unto itself is not satisfactory, that is too :daisy: bad.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not a good thing. It wasn't necessary for him to do that, my argument stands on it's own. But I also do understand his frustrations, I really do. At the same time, too many of my friends are here participating in a fun way, and I wouldn't miss this for the world.

If GH accepts the suicide, that's fine. Remember, by TS' own admission, YLC came back as a non-scummy party. After the FOS, suicide attempts, massively strange and annoying behavior, self-destructing behavior much earlier for no apparent reason, do you really believe he would be the Godfather?

But that's not the argument that matters. Why are there more holes in TS' story than swiss cheese? Why did he conveniently clear 2 of the people I suspected through his "investigations", during his deathbed confession that he was a detective? Why did Shlin28 feel the need to argue Tevash's case for him? Why did he run away after only minor questioning? Why doesn't anything about what Tevash has said so far add up? If I thought Tevash was the detective, wouldn't I have just killed him in previous rounds? Why did I go on a crusade to end his life via lynch, making myself a top suspect (and a dead one), instead of just quietly killing him? Why does Reenk want Seamus Fermanagh to be investigated, when Seamus voted for me to die? Why did TS miss his night actions in a game this important, when he was online playing mafia games? Why would YLC behave this way if he were the Godfather? Why did Reenk and Tevash simply FOS everyone who accused them, no matter who they were, or what good points they made? Why was Reenk so uncharacteristically defensive? Why did Shlin28, TevashSzat, and Reenk Roink look like they had no major suspects besides the ones about to be lynched, until I started accusing them? Why FOS someone you cleared as a suspect?

It all seems to add up. It does not matter. Several people suggested that I continue doing my job to help out town after I died. Others don't seem to want the help. You can't please everyone.

:laugh2:

I can't be sure about anything, but I can darn sure pose questions to the guy who looks the scummiest to me. That's my prerogative.

:bow:

Edit; nevermind just leave YLC be. I don't want to cause a problem.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to refrain from posting until the end of the game, out of respect to all the other players. I have been getting complaints, which I intend to end by stopping the offending actions.

I am seriously sorry if I annoyed or offended any of you. See you at the finish line.

:bow:

[Quintus.JC]

@ YLC: the game mafia is all about lying, bluffing and generally making a mess of your opponents' mind en route to victory. By the tone you talk people would think you were in the backroom or something. Stay, play, have fun. :bow:

[TinCow]

Tevash still has not posted his role PM. If he really is the detective, he has already exposed himself to the mafia, so there is nothing to be gained by keeping it secret. I recommend that the town lynch him if he does not produce it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Oh...

What an absolute PITY you couldn't make it back in time to offer your thoughts before they lynch, eh Seamus?

Make an accusation and back it up, or kindly shut up.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Fact that no one counter claimed it shows that either the real detective is already dead or Tevash is for real.

Since there is no one counter claiming, only option we got is give Tevash a day or two before he gets up on the chopping board again.

Not necessarily. Were I the detective and NOT involved in the runoff, I would not have counter-claimed during a runoff. While most false detective claims are mafia playing an angle, it has been done by generic townies just to toss :daisy: in the game.

Moreover, a false detective will always trip themselves up within a few rounds, so a Mafioso who has done so with this many rounds remaining is not gonna make it -- its too reflexive by the town to kill both sides of a "I'm the detective -- no you're not you're mafia" pairing, just to be safe. Tev will ALWAYS be a litle suspect -- and scrutinized -- from this point forward. EDIT note Tincow's post just above both in support of what I am saying here AND as a good idea with Tev if he doesn't respond.

Again, I caution all NOT to assume we have taken down a mafioso. I am certainly cagey enough to take the first truly contentious vote and start single-killing after it to hide my numbers, even if it takes 4-5 rounds to "convince" the town they got one. The devastating impact of renewed double murders in the last couple of go-arounds would be worth it -- panicking the town into making quick and possibly under-evaluated choices. Since I am hardly the brightest person in the Gameroom, I have to assume the mafia may be employing such a tactic.

Again, were I the detective and had 1 ID'd, I would want to take a round or two (since it's still mid-game by the numbers) to try to get the 2nd mafioso if I could, while townie numbers indicated it was not necessary to reveal and make a 1-to-1 trade.

[shlin28]

Wow, that was... dramatic.

As for Tevash, even I (one of his defenders) would say that he needs to be watched, but certainly not lynched immediately :bow:

[seireikhaan]

Make an accusation and back it up, or kindly shut up.
Fine.

SEAMUS IS SCUM. I'll be back later.

[shlin28]

Interesting. Waiting for more evidence before I would agree with your assesment though :book:

[Reenk Roink]

Please read this post town - it summarily sums up Atpg's posts and SkyNet:

The fact is throughout this game for whatever reason, Atpg has really pushed his SkyNet method hard. Maybe it is because he thinks he has perfected it, or maybe because he has more time to use it, or maybe simply because it has been criticized and questioned a lot.

Either way, in these long posts, a lot of problems arise, and the only thing making them not blatantly obvious is the fact that there are so many posts and they are so long.

My charge against SkyNet are four:

1) The entire framework of SkyNet is based of usual Mafia cliches: bandwagonning, lurking, behavior changes, voting patterns. These things are easily avoidable for any Mafia.

2) The evidence is construed in an ad hoc fashion against SkyNet's targets. Every post or behavior is construed in a negative way (many examples of this are visible - most recently - if Tevash posts, he is defensive and scummy; if he doesn't he is laying low and scummy)

3) Because of 2), many of the accusations are internally inconsistent and self-contradictory. I made a whole set of posts on this fact. I was accused of joking too little and too much, of explaining myself when not prompted and not explaining myself, etc...

4) For whatever reason, there have been a lot of mistakes where Atpg says someone did or said something when it is not the case. Case in fact his accusation against me that I made a serious grab for CoP, that I accused him of being Mafia, and that I never thought Seamus was Mafia.

My response to Atpg's new set of accusations:



Why would you, Reenk, suggest that Seamus is the most likely candidate to be my mafia partner?

I never suggested this.


Reenk made a terrible mistake, and I deduced based on his horrible, absolutely horrendous townie logic, that he doesn't actually think either of us are guilty.

Again this is false. I said YOU were probably not Mafia. I didn't say you were probably not guilty (evil town role possibility). Also, I said even if you weren't guilty you were a good lynch for your bad townie behavior.


Reenk Roink doesn't believe I was guilty. Reenk Roink doesn't believe Seamus is guilty. But he wanted both of us dead, to spare TevashSzat.

I clearly stated that I thought Seamus was guilty and you quoted the post where I did that. Now you post this in the same post? :rolleyes4:


Reenk made a terrible mistake, and I deduced based on his horrible, absolutely horrendous townie logic, that he doesn't actually think either of us are guilty.

I clearly stated that I thought Seamus was guilty and you quoted the post where I did that. Now you post this in yet a different post? :rolleyes4:

Askthepizzaguy, you are wrong here like you were on SO MANY of your theories. Here is the simple answer to you "deduction" (you do know that a deductive form - which I'm not even sure this new argument of yours has - does not imply anything about truth or falsity?): I never believed strongly that you were Mafia in the first place. Look at my repeated reasons for voting you. It was because you either had a bad role and even if not, were just being a bad townie. I always said and thought you probably weren't Mafia.

I've read enough Atpg for awhile, and will not be doing so for the rest of this game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Tevash still has not posted his role PM. If he really is the detective, he has already exposed himself to the mafia, so there is nothing to be gained by keeping it secret. I recommend that the town lynch him if he does not produce it.


Unboubtedly he will produce a role pm. Usually I like for everyone to appear trusting of a dubious detective claim to encourage the mafia to knock them off during the night, but that doesn't appear to be too possible. Trusting a fake detective in this game isn't nearly as dangerous as in other games, because innocent results don't clear anyone. On the other hand, the detective is not as valuable.

[Sigurd]

:disappointed: ... I am at page 23.

Tomorrow I will get up to speed.
Keep you posts short and to the point please... :beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Keep you posts short and to the point please... :beam:

Okay.

:smartass2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 5

Ignoramus was looking more into Jolt's death and found himself at the now, abandoned demolished office building. He was curious on how they found Jolt's corpse under tons of rubble, when he had heard that they found the body just outside of it. He started looking over clues, that the CoP might have missed and found a sign that looked interesting. It was dusty so he had to brush it off but it had the words on it, "look out for falling hazards". disappointed it was not the break he was looking for, he threw it aside but then he heard a strange metallic rumble coming from above. "Can't you read?" he heard, just before a 90 ton wrecking ball fell down and crushed him flat like a pancake. "Guess not" said the voice as he stepped out of the wrecking crane and fixed his tie. The next day; they found a DVD next to Ignoramus remains with this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAzm8nep3W0) on it.

Sasaki Kojiro taking a stroll through the Gameroom, minding his own business, confidently putting one foot in front of the other. He was quickly becoming a power figure in this entire situation. For the most part, people had been listening to him more than even the Chief of Police, and the two people he had gone after hardest were now six feet under. He figured if he could just keep up his intuition then his enemies would fall.

He wasn’t worried about dying, either. Sasaki, see, had everything planned out. He was a high-profile figure in every day’s voting, making sure never to look *too* noble while crusading loudly. No, Sasaki would always have that air of shiftiness about him, ensuring that both he would never die at night while at the same never looking too shifty to be lynched in any of the voting phases. Yes, Sasaki was sitting pretty, confident in both his day and night positions.

This would prove to be a fatal assumption.

Sasaki continued walking through the Gameroom, his thoughts slowly shifting from random snippets of life to the town’s current state and its strategy for the next couple of days. He barely noticed the nude unicyclist, juggling as always, pedaling by and then actually stopping, staring at him. Since this was the first time that Sasaki could recall the unicyclist doing anything other than pedaling and juggling, he turned to make conversation.

“Hello,” Sasaki said, for the first time slightly unsure of what to say or do next, “Uh, nice day, isn’t it? So how are you holding up through all this?”

The nude unicyclist seemed to ignore this, instead staring straight at Sasaki. “You,” he said, “You are the leader of the town.”

Slightly perturbed, Sasaki continued to stumble over his words. “Well, uh, not technically… I mean shlin is our Chief of Police and all… I suppose you could say the town’s been following me for the most part, but I don’t see how that really constitutes being ‘leader’…”

“You are the leader of the town,” the nude unicyclist repeated.

“Uh… well… okay fine, I’m the leader of the town,” Sasaki replied.

The nude unicyclist’s eyes widened. “YOU LEAD US ALL INTO THE GRAVE!” he boomed in an unearthly monotone. His facial expression turned back to normal, as did his voice. “Engage primary arsenal!” he commanded, to an unknown entity.

Instantly, there was a whirring sound. After a second, Sasaki saw two submachine guns spring out of the unicycle’s handlebars. After another second, he heard the unmistakable sound of ammunition, probably automatically, being loaded into both guns.

Crying in surprise, Sasaki dove to the ground. Luckily, his reflexes, honed from years of playing Shogun: Total War multiplayer, did not abandon him at the critical moment and he was fast enough to dodge the initial salvo of bullets directed his way.

“YOU SHALL NOT ESCAPE JUSTICE SO EASILY!” the unicyclist boomed, and adjusted his handlebars to Sasaki’s new position. This time, he pulled the trigger and held it down. Sasaki crawled around in a circle, just managing to stay an inch ahead of the unending spray of bullets that would end his life. It went like that for a while, with Sasaki occasionally changing his motion path to throw off the unicyclist. All the while, he was gradually increasing his distance away from the stationary unicycle, searching for an escape.

“I need to buy some time,” he said to himself, and looking around, grabbed three small rocks. Gripping them in his good hand, he winged them right at his attacker as hard as he could.

“Target practice,” the unicyclist chuckled to himself, and calmly took his aim off Sasaki to fire at the rocks and made them explode into dust. But after that was done, he refocused on Sasaki and cursed. His prey was already on his feet and about to enter a car which (extremely conveniently) had its keys in the ignition.

The unicyclist shot out the driver’s side window, and the passenger’s side too as there was nothing to block the bullets’ path, but Sasaki stayed down and managed to start the car without taking any damage. A second later the unicyclist saw the car’s steering wheel club flying out the window, coming right at him, and had to readjust his aim to shoot that out of the air as well. In the time he had lost, Sasaki had adjusted himself into a drivable position and was already jamming on the gas, speeding away from the unicyclist.

“Phew, that was a close call!” he said to himself, driving away. “He’ll never be able to pedal as fast as this bad boy.”

“Engage thusters,” the unicyclist said. “Mark One.”

Thirty seconds later, Sasaki gasped as he saw a unicycle coming up fast in his rearview mirror. A couple of seconds after that, the unicycle was close enough where Sasaki could see its driver, gritting his teeth, pulling the triggers on both handlebars.

Sasaki ducked, again just in time. A storm of glass descended on the car’s interior, this time from the front and rear windshields being shot out, and a second later the rearview mirror itself. Sasaki lied face down on the chair, head tilted up, legs leaning against the chair’s back but careful not to have any part exposed. Both of his hands had a death grip on the steering wheel, although for a second one of them left it in order to jam the “cruise control” button. He could still see where he was going, but barely. Bullets whizzed by all around him. He heard a loud “ding” as one of them connected with his chair back’s support beam.

“Stalemate,” Sasaki exhaled as he tried to see where he was going.

The unicyclist took out his juggling balls and pressed a secret button on one of them, a second later chucking it at the car ahead.

There was a loud explosion, and Sasaki felt his car being lifted into the air from the blast. Luckily, it managed to stay upright and a second later it came crashing to the ground. Sasaki, not wearing a seat belt, hit his back on the car’s ceiling and then fell back to the chair, only his death grip on the steering wheel keeping him from totally losing control.

“If I die, my last wish is to know who the *#%! makes this crazy unicycle!” he yelled to the air, in frustration.

The unicyclist threw his next juggling ball/bomb on an angle, and it worked. This time, the car was lifted in the air and did several sideways flips before finally crashing, upside-down, on the side of the road. Sasaki slowly crawled out, moaning. He was sure he had broken a couple of bones and he was bleeding from several wounds.

He quickly changed from moaning to screaming as he felt a hand grip his wrist. Barely aware of what was happening, he felt himself being dragged along the road as the unicyclist rocketed on. He heard the unicyclist say “Engage thrusters, Mark Two.” Suddenly the terrible feeling of being dragged along at a high speed was gone, replaced by one of being rocketed in the air. Somehow the unicyclist’s rockets were so powerful that they had all left the ground!

Sasaki looked down, gulping. Despite his injured state he was still able to clearly conceptualize the road, the other cars, the trees getting smaller and smaller as the unicycle got higher in the air. Over the sound of the air resistance, he was able to hear the unicyclist speak.

“You lead us all to the grave!” the unicyclist shouted again, staring straight ahead into the sky, his hand maintaining an iron grip on Sasaki’s wrist despite everything. “But no longer! I take matters in my own hands to lead us back into the light!”

“Don’t know… what… you’re talking about…” Sasaki wheezed. “Please… let me down…”

The unicyclist paid no attention to Sasaki’s pleas. “WITH THIS, I TAKE US FROM THE DARKNESS OF ETERNAL OBLIVION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIGHT!!!” Finally, he let go.

Sasaki fell, screaming all the way down until his body finally exploded on impact with the ground. Meanwhile, the unicyclist made a smooth landing, put some clothes on, and put his unicycle away.

Later that day, Chief of Police shlin28 shook his head as he examined the remains of the two victims. "Jeez," he said, "what a way to go," referring to Sasaki's final journey. "I hope you don't have anything similar up your sleeve?" he remarked to the man with the boombox, who simply smiled and continued listening to "One Love" by Bob Marley and the Wailers.

After his work was done, he returned to the Gameroom Square, and summoned the villagers once again to the area. There was no preparations that needed to be done, as his execution method from yesterday was not used.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (16)
shlin28
<vacant>
777Ares777
Andres
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Psychonaut
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy

~~~~~~~~

Note: YLC's player slot is currently in limbo. YLC has removed himself from the game, but I intend to replace him with one of three people who have expressed interest in the game. Once/if I pick somebody, I'll make an announcement and they'll fully replace YLC.

[Reenk Roink]

2 kills. Sasaki among them.

Boy were all you lot wrong (points at TinCow and Atpg). :laugh4:

Edit: Vote Seamus

Reenktuition says you killed Sasaki as he was one of the innocent looking enemies of you. :yes:

[Lord Winter]

Hah, I told you I was innocent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4: Ahahahahaha, this is my favorite kill ever. Pure genius. :2thumbsup:

I was killed by the nude unicyclist, who was present even when there were two kills--so the mafia still killed just one tonight.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hah, I told you I was innocent.

You never posted proclaiming your innocence until after I said in the thread that your lack of posting proved your guilt to me :smash:


Lynch candidates today in my opinion:

1) Psychonaut--gliding by. Glyphz and several other people fit this description. They need to be pressured/lynched
2) Tevash, if his role pm isn't posted/is obviously fake
3) Seamus, if khaan actually has something decent on him

[White_eyes:D]

Sasaki Kojiro taking a stroll through the Gameroom, minding his own business, confidently putting one foot in front of the other. He was quickly becoming a power figure in this entire situation. For the most part, people had been listening to him more than even the Chief of Police, and the two people he had gone after hardest were now six feet under. He figured if he could just keep up his intuition then his enemies would fall.

He wasn’t worried about dying, either. Sasaki, see, had everything planned out. He was a high-profile figure in every day’s voting, making sure never to look *too* noble while crusading loudly. No, Sasaki would always have that air of shiftiness about him, ensuring that both he would never die at night while at the same never looking too shifty to be lynched in any of the voting phases. Yes, Sasaki was sitting pretty, confident in both his day and night positions. something's wrong.....it seems that "Twist" of Godfather just came into play....:sweatdrop: I mean look at that write-up.....never before have the previous kill write-ups been so long....and detailed.....and it was the nude guy on the Unicycle....but there are three suspects for this....Shlin (our COP), Reenk Roink (50$ says he is the Boom box guy), Seamus (nude unicycle superman?):juggle2:

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk Roink (50$ says he is the Boom box guy)

You knew I was up to something in Whispers of the Night and you made a good guess that I was the guy in the space suit, but this is one of your Chicago Soiree guesses White eyes. :laugh4:

[TinCow]

Boy were all you lot wrong (points at TinCow and Atpg). :laugh4:

Eh? I said multiple times that the single kills should not be considered proof that LW was mafia until they had continued for 2-3 nights. Sorry you're so irate that I didn't think that every last word ATPG said was wrong.

[Reenk Roink]

Eh? I said multiple times that the single kills should not be considered proof that LW was mafia until they had continued for 2-3 nights. Sorry you're so irate that I didn't think that every last word ATPG said was wrong.

Irate? :inquisitive: Had all but forgotten that you never explained why Atpg's case were well argued, analyzed, and consistent. By the way, single kills did continue for 2 nights I think. :wink:

[White_eyes:D]

You knew I was up to something in Whispers of the Night and you made a good guess that I was the guy in the space suit, but this is one of your Chicago Soiree guesses White eyes. :laugh4:

COME on....its like you and I have a telepathic link:clown:....I always sense when your up to no good:no: and "no good" means we got ourselves a good lynch....come to think of it....you voted Shlin for COP instead of yourself.....:inquisitive: I really think your (Nude Unicycle guy) or (Boom Box guy) my moneys on Boom box guy:mellow:

[shlin28]

I think the nude unicyclist is either a vig or a SK - looking in the write-up, I would say that Sasaki said something that triggered the said attack.

*Digs up Sasaki's posts*

Also, Tevash survived, next round - I suggest we wait for his results and his role PM before lynching him.

[White_eyes:D]

I think the nude unicyclist is either a vig or a SK - looking in the write-up, I would say that Sasaki said something that triggered the said attack.

*Digs up Sasaki's posts*

Also, Tevash survived, next round - I suggest we wait for his results and his role PM before lynching him.

I think ATPG's arguments hit him pretty hard......like with YLC....he never goes on for more then 5 mins then logs off....(I have been waiting for his Public role reveal....nothing:no:)

[shlin28]

Well both ATPG and Tevash are in an American time zone so right now is not exactly going to be the most active period for them.

My quick perusal of Sasaki's posts revealed nothing that strikes me as the kind that would lead to serial killer kill. I seem to remember one in Capo where a SK will kill someone if they say they are "innocent", could be something similar here? The killer here is clearly deranged and thinks Sasaki will lead to "doom"... exactly the kind of SK who will kill due to a keyword.

[Chaotix]

:laugh4:

Well, that was certainly an awesome write-up. I see only one flaw: unicycles don't have handlebars. :clown:

Joking aside, I do not believe that the unicyclist is out enemy. If you read closely, it seems that he believes he was saving the town by killing Sasaki. Additionally, in the opening write-up, the nude unicyclist was present before the mafia arrived. Thus, I believe the unicyclist is our "special twist"- he is a vigilante.

We also have to consider the boom box guy. I believe he is either the investigator or another "twist", perhaps a roleblocker or a protector.

Vote: Reenk

[Andres]

I don't think the unicyclist is mafia.

I'm tired of reading this thread. Will be back later, but I'm intrigued by 'khaans accustion of Seamus.

Vote : Seamus

I would also like to see Tevashzats' role pm + all pm's with his night action results. As soon as possible, please.

[glyphz]

Indeed. The longer it takes TevashSzat to post his role PM, the higher the chances are that it is forged.

[TinCow]

It is interesting to note that the second killer was the nude unicyclist. That's not a random character, but one specifically mentioned by GH in every single night write-up. He was always listed in the section that wasn't the kill write-up, indicating that he was GH's own creation. I would place decent odds on last night being a single mafia kill along with a new kill by a third party, role unknown.

One Love lyrics:


One love, one heart;
Let's join together and I'll feel all right.
(One love) O Lord, have mercy!
(One heart) I said, let's give thanks and praise
And I will feel all right.
Let's join together and I'll feel all right!

Now, let 'em all pass all their dirty remarks (one love);
There is one question I'd really like to ask (one soul).
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner,
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?

One love, one heart;
Let's join together and I'll feel all right.
(One love) Hear my plea!
(One heart) Let's join together and I'll feel all right.
Let's give thanks to the Lord and I will feel all right.

Let's join together to fight this holy battle;
When the Man comes, there will be no, no doom.
Have pity on those whose chances grows thinner;
There ain't no hiding place from-a the King from the Lord, yes!

(One love) Hear my plea!
(One heart) Oh, let's join together and I'll feel all right.
(One love) O Lord, have mercy!
(One heart) I said-a, let's give thanks and praise
And I will feel all right.
Let's join together and I'll feel all right.

One love, one heart:
Let's join together and I'll feel all right.
(One love) Oh, Lord!
(One heart) Oh-oh, let's join together and I'll feel all right.
Let's just pray to the Lord and I will feel all right.

I tell ya: let 'em all pass their dirty remarks (one love);
There is one question I'd really like to ask (one soul).
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner,
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?

(One love) O Lord, have mercy!
(One heart) I tell you, let's give thanks and praise
And I will feel all right.

(One love) Hear my plea!
(One heart) Hear my plea!
Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.
Let's join together and I will feel all right.
Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.

Note the section I bolded. Compare it to the statements the nude unicyclist was saying. I am beginning to suspect that the songs are some kind of clues or commentary on the night actions. I think they're designed to help the town, though I haven't been able to get anything significant out of them yet.

[Jolt]

Man, awesome kill write-ups. I was cheering for Sasaki in his awesome fleeing. :P

[Sasaki Kojiro]

One Love lyrics:


Note the section I bolded. Compare it to the statements the nude unicyclist was saying. I am beginning to suspect that the songs are some kind of clues or commentary on the night actions. I think they're designed to help the town, though I haven't been able to get anything significant out of them yet.

I lean towards the songs being more general pointers, placed perhaps by GH himself--the message from the last song seems to be to quit the bickering.

[Jolt]

Someone is trying to incriminate Ares. Ares is from Britain, whereas the Ares user in Youtube is from Austria.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I concur with Tincow's and Sasaki's assessment. It struck me right away that the tone and style were dramatically different than the mafia kills. This strongly suggests a new party. SK? Vig? Last living mason?

However, that still doesn't mean we've done for any mafiosi as yet. If they were following a "one-at-a-time, sow confusion" method it would read as it did, just as if the mafia is now restricted to one kill. In short, this isn't absolute here.


Now, as to voting for me this round, here's a few quick points:

1. I'm a generic townie, so the lynch would accomplish nothing save narrowing the field a bit on the remaining suspects.

2. Tev has revealed as a detective, yet we have heard nothing from him for the moment. Nor has he responded to multiple calls for more specifics/ a posting of his role PM. Traditionally, and this is a traditional game thanks to GH, the "detective" either shows some chops or gets the chop. I think we should continue this tradition. In fact, unless you are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am the Godfather in this game, lynching Tev (unless he puts up some better bona fides) is a better play than lynching me.

3. So far, the only real evidence of me being mafia is that 'khaan and Reenk have a hunch that I'm mafia. I'd suggest that a better case needs to be made -- which is fine by me, since I don't think the grist for milling such a case exists unless it is fabricated whole cloth. I'll gladly discuss any points brought up.

4. We still have lurkers who are simply ducking in to vote, avoiding the wog, and skating by without any pressure whatsoever. This cannot be allowed, or the mafia can gleefully hide in the lurker zone. Make them comment, make them fuss at you, don't let them skate.


Post Tally thus far:

Askthepizzaguy 167
Sasaki Kojiro 84
Beefy187 70
GeneralHankerchief 66
TinCow 54
shlin28 54
Andres 48
777Ares777 47
seireikhaan 42
YLC 40
White_eyes:D 39
Reenk Roink 34
LittleGrizzly 33
Seamus Fermanagh 31
Quintus.JC 25
Psychonaut 24
TevashSzat 18
Lord Winter 18
glyphz 17
Chaotix27 17
Gaius Scribonius Curio 17
Jolt 15
Sigurd 15
CountArach 15
boudica 13
Tratorix 9
Ichigo 8
taka 8
Ignoramus 4

[seireikhaan]

Ok, first things first:
holy cramoly! 167 posts?! :laugh4: :wall:

Second: You started this game a bit more... active than usual, Seamus. Reason?

edit: To clarify, there is more to this- I would simply prefer to move one point at a time.

[Beefy187]

Anyone find it strange how one of the biggest suspect and a lurker got killed by the mafia? Or is it just me..

Tevash case can hold until he returns from the mystical lala land. Right now I find Seamus/Khaan case hotter.

[Thermal]

Someone is trying to incriminate Ares. Ares is from Britain, whereas the Ares user in Youtube is from Austria.

It uses a combination of beefy's numbers and my name, this scares me.

Firstly
-If i may say so myself, well done who ever wrote that write up for sasaki, it was hilarious! And tragic I guess, meh
-The nude unicyclist does strike me as innocent but someone as insane as that cannot be entirely dismissed

I think the unicyclist is cleared relatively well, so hoping your innocent I suggest killing someone like Taka, lurking, and have been known to win as mafia before whilst doing it.


vote:tevashszat

Until we get a role pm + analysis of atpg's evidence against you, You were voting for people you had supposedly cleared of suspicion :whip:



Also this really is just a game, I'm not particularly sensitive so i will say that those/one person cough cough* who have sulked over this game need to get over it already, conversation hasn't been all that aggressive and the chats have been useful, plus the one who left the game isnt even being insulted, though i dont think anyone is that much, though a bit more fun and smaller posts would be nice :balloon2:

[Thermal]

oh and...SPAM! :clown:

oh and... WARNING! :clown: - Andres

[GeneralHankerchief]

The mods have it hard enough as it is. :stare:

[Beefy187]

It uses a combination of beefy's numbers and my name, this scares me.

Firstly
-If i may say so myself, well done who ever wrote that write up for sasaki, it was hilarious! And tragic I guess, meh
-The nude unicyclist does strike me as innocent but someone as insane as that cannot be entirely dismissed

I think the unicyclist is cleared relatively well, so hoping your innocent I suggest killing someone like Taka, lurking, and have been known to win as mafia before whilst doing it.


vote:tevashszat

Until we get a role pm + analysis of atpg's evidence against you, You were voting for people you had supposedly cleared of suspicion :whip:



Also this really is just a game, I'm not particularly sensitive so i will say that those/one person cough cough* who have sulked over this game need to get over it already, conversation hasn't been all that aggressive and the chats have been useful, plus the one who left the game isnt even being insulted, though i dont think anyone is that much, though a bit more fun and smaller posts would be nice :balloon2:

Was it? Didn't get that part :laugh4:
We shall be known as Ares187

About your last comment. Less frequency would be nice too. I am ashamed for one that I don't have the greatest post counts. And the fact that my post count combined with the second most poster cannot beat how much ATPG posted.. You've ruined my honor and forced me to commit seppuku with a toy katana..

[Thermal]

Well there username was 1815 so a little different, the first two numbers are the same though, not saying that much i guess :balloon2:

[TinCow]

I lean towards the songs being more general pointers, placed perhaps by GH himself--the message from the last song seems to be to quit the bickering.

This is a good assessment and I agree with it.


Someone is trying to incriminate Ares. Ares is from Britain, whereas the Ares user in Youtube is from Austria.

I highly discourage anyone from trying to get any information out of that. There have been references in the write-ups to Ares, Beefy, shlin, myself, and probably other people I am forgetting. This is an absurdly easy way for the mafia to create confusion. They could be fingering themselves, knowing that the town would see that as evidence of a framing. We should not consider any of this 'framing' evidence as proof of guilt or innocence for anyone. The write-ups are useful in tone and style, but the content of the mafia-written segments should be completely ignored.


Anyone find it strange how one of the biggest suspect and a lurker got killed by the mafia? Or is it just me..

I'm not convinced Sasaki's death was the same mafia group. However, Ignoramus' clearly was. That was an interesting choice, because Ignoramus was an easy lynch choice in future rounds. As many people have noted, Ignoramus doesn't generally participate much in these games and he is usually WOG-bait. His continued presence with nothing but voting was making people think he had a role, because he wouldn't hang around otherwise. Obviously, the town would suspect this was mafia. However, if you were mafia and you knew he wasn't one of you, you might start thinking Ignoramus was the detective. Thus, he would be an excellent target for them. This also requires that the mafia know that Tevash is lying about being the detective, which means Tevash would be mafia.

I continue to encourage Tevash's lynching unless he speaks up and posts his role PM.

[Thermal]

If we cast our minds back sasaki was a suspect at the start, mud sticks I guess :shrug:

[GeneralHankerchief]

pevergreen has replaced YLC.

[Beefy187]

Welcome back Pever :2thumbsup:

[pevergreen]

Yes, yes I will work faster mi'lord.
Hehehehheeh.

As far as I can see, we are voting Tevash because he may be the detective. Seamus 'might' have something on him, from 'khaan.

I've replaced YLC who was 'investigated' and found innocent.

While I would like to vote for Tevash, I can't help but shake this feeling I've been having all game that Ares is a grunt.

I'm watching you.

Am I on the right track so far? (and just who is ATPG, is he a dead mafia again?)

[Beefy187]

We are voting Tevash because he claimed detective when he was about to get lynched

Tevash has not provided his role pm

There is some more fishy stuff about Tevash but right now we are waiting for his role pm

YLC has been cleared by Tevash but we don't know if Tevash was a real detective

ATPG was the one who was tied to Tevash, but he got lynched because Tevash claimed detective. He is one of successors of Kommodus

So you are pretty much on the right track Pever :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

vote:tevashszat

Until we get a role pm + analysis of atpg's evidence against you, You were voting for people you had supposedly cleared of suspicion :whip:


The detective can't clear anyone of suspicion--someone who comes up as innocent can still be the godfather.

I don't think the role pm will be important. GH gives short pm's that are much easier to fake than someone like Seamus's, and there are many games with samples to choose from. Although the samples from the game where reenk was detective may have been edited out :smash:

Anyway, tevash will be lynched in the near future I imagine. In the meantime I think we should get some votes on psychonaut or glyphz to give us an alternative to Seamus if the case on him is not convincing.

[taka]

i'll be honest that i havent followed this thread at all aside from the summary one

who investigated pever/YLC and found him innocent? if its Tevash then its seems he's not even come to reply/post

i for some reason am VERY inclined to think YLC/pever is Mafia just for the sole reason of the song thing. YLC's hosted game has had 3 songs in the night write-ups very similar to this game. and why replace YLC is he's just a townie? if he was WOG'd it'd clear his innocence

also there's not vig role to whoever mentioned it. it clearly states the roles on post 1

so...

vote: YLC/Pever

[Chaotix]

taka, that's really not the best of reasons to go after people for. For one thing, we mostly believe that it's been GH who was implementing the songs, not the mafia, because they always occur in the second part of the write-up with the introduction to the next day.

Additionally, it's not all that uncommon for hosts to put music into write-ups, in order to set the scene. I did it in The Lunar Whale (check my sig), and Reenk used songs in his "Watcher" posts throughout Fillet Royale.

Speaking of Reenk, I don't think he should be let off the hook just yet. :whip:

EDIT: Also, taka, as GH clearly states in the rules, there will be a "special twist" to this game as there have been for the past two Godfather mafia games. I am inclined to believe the nudicyclist is our "special twist".

[taka]

:wall: im really not concentrating at all am i? :wall:

in my defense im gonna say i've personally not played a game with music been put in the write-up, nor have i played a GF mafia :P so i didnt know

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to Vote:Seamus...clearly it had something to do with someone upset with Sasaki and how he was manipulating town.....Seamus fits that description....and on Tevash....we should let him swim for now......I think he will be WOGG'ed or lynched in the future, because he has just come on for five minutes to view the index thread and then gone.......:juggle2:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ok, first things first:
holy cramoly! 167 posts?! :laugh4: :wall:

Second: You started this game a bit more... active than usual, Seamus. Reason?

edit: To clarify, there is more to this- I would simply prefer to move one point at a time.


A trip down memory lane. When I started -- and Silver's game was among my first -- I charted every vote and sifted through them for clues. I was more active in posting too. Doing so allowed me one of my few mafia spottings in my first game. I drifted away from that style after a while -- too pigeon-holing -- but resurrected it when GH resurrected this classic.

Here's this games (choppy, but I don't know how to import an excel spreadsheet here):

Name Role Claim Fate PrePosts D1 (elect) d2 d2+ d3 d4 d5 d5+ d6
187Beefyz 1 beefy, reenk pizza seamus beefy, abs taka, unv tev pizza
777Ares777 3 sig, shlin abs, glyphz, sask tinc, siggy ylc tev, abs
Andres 1 andy, shlin, sig?, shlin sask seamus abs, siggy siggy pizza pizza seamus
Askthepizzaguy L4 6 pizza, reenk gsc, winter iggy tev tev, pizza
boudica M2 1 pizza seamus abs
Chaotix27 1 arach andy seamus gly, ylc reenk tev reenk
CountArach M1 1 andy, shlin
Gaius Scribonius Curio 1 CA qjc sask, w-eyes siggy qjc tev
glyphz 1 tinc ares, chtx seamus siggy pizza, tev
Ichigo L1 1 reenk

Ignoramus M5 1 seamus ylc tev
Jolt M4 1 glyphz abs ichi griz griz
LittleGrizzly 1 khaan, shlin abs ichi jolt jolt sask
Lord Winter L2 1 beefy seamus abs
Quintus.JC 1 pizza, shlin abs,gsc seamus ylc tev tev, unv
Reenk Roink 4 reenk, shlin abs sask siggy pizza pizza seamus
Rythmic 1 reenk iggy ichi abs beefy, taka seamus, Tev tev
Sasaki Kojiro M5 2 reenk khaan, tinc, ichi winter, beefy, winter ylc, siggy pizza pizza
Seamus Fermanagh Townie 2 reenk ylc abs, beefy siggy, ryt pizza pizza
seireikhaan M2 2 seamus shlin ichi
shlin28 Chief* 1 shlin cnv cnv cnv cnv cnv cnv
Sigurd L3 4 ichi ichi ylc, reenk
taka 1 ichi abs siggy tev
TevashSzat 1 shlin andy sask ylc pizza pizza
TinCow M3 1 tinc beefy ichi beefy, abs, siggy
Tratorix M1 1 shlin
White_eyes:D 1 reenk abs seamus abs, winter pizza
YLC 2 boud sask, seamus seamus sask ylc, siggy, ylc tev
GH Post Closes Phase 154 280/299 330 486 798
GH Night Result 208 351 558 700 1016
stopped at 1034



Here's GF2!

Name Investigated Fate Role Family Victims Vote #1 Vote #1b Vote #2 Vote #3 Vote #4 Vote #5 Vote #6 Vote #7 Vote #8 Vote #9 Vote #10 Vote #10b
Big King S ~ S5 ~ Dutch Guy Drisos Abstain ~ ~ ~ ~
Byz-Merc ~ M3 ~ Abstain ~ ~ ~
Cowhead ~ M7 ~ Drisos ~ Abstain RTWguru Ignoramus Myrdraal ~ ~
Crazed Rabbit ~ L8 y ~ Drisos ~ ~ Sasaki Ignoramus ~ Seamus Fermanagh Seamus Fermanagh Husar Husar
Csar 1 gf Abstain Drisos Kommodus Sasaki Ignoramus Abstain ~ Sigurd Crazed Rabbit Sigurd Husar Husar
Destroyer ~ S4 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Div Wind 1 Chief Abstain* Drisos* Sigurd* Sigurd* CNV CNV CNV-Gen. Hanky CNV CNV ~ Csar
Don Corleone ~ M9 y ~ Abstain Drisos Peas Phil Sasaki Ignoramus Evil Maniac Gen. Hanky Seamus Fermanagh Myrdraal Csar
Drisos ~ L1 ~ Don Corleone* Divine Wind Husar
Dutch Guy ~ M5 ~ Abstain Drisos ~ Abstain ~ Csar
Evil Maniac ~ L5 ~ ~ ~ Abstain Abstain ~ ~ ~
Gen. Hanky ~ L6 mafia ~ Abstain Drisos Kommodus Sasaki Abstain Evil Maniac Husar Husar
Husar 0 RTW Guru Abstain Don Corleone Don Corleone Ignoramus Evil Maniac Gen. Hanky Seamus Fermanagh Abstain Myrddraal Csar Csar
Ignoramus ~ L4 ~ Ignoramus Abstain Kommodus ~ Gen. Hanky ~
Kommodus ~ L2 ~ Abstain ~ ~ Husar
Lemur ~ M1 ~ ~
Major Robert D ~ M2 Divine Wind Drisos ~
Masy ~ M10 ~ Abstain Drisos ~ ~ Ignoramus ~ Husar Csar Crazed Rabbit Myrddraal Csar
Myrddraal ~ L9 mafia Abstain ~ Kommodus Abstain ~ Big King S ~ Seamus Fermanagh ~ Sigurd ~
Peasant Phil ~ S5 ~ Gen. Hanky Abstain Abstain ~ ~ ~ ~
Proletariat ~ M8 y ~ Abstain ~ Husar ~ Ignoramus Evil Maniac Gen. Hanky ~ Csar
Sasaki ~ L3 ~ Drisos Drisos Kommodus Don Corleone Csar
Seamus ~ L7 y ~ Abstain Drisos Kommodus ~ Myrdraal Big King S Gen. Hanky Crazed Rabbit Csar
Sigurd 2 Abstain Abstain Kommodus (Don C) Ignoramus Proletariat ~ Seamus Fermanagh Crazed Rabbit Myrddraal Husar Csar
Sir Moody ~ M3 ~ Don Corleone Divine Wind Don Corleone Husar
the RTW Guru ~ M4 ~ Don Corleone ~ Kommodus No Lynch ~
Ultrawar ~ M1 ~ ~
Xiahou ~ M6 y Divine Wind Divine Wind Don Corleone Don Corleone Ignoramus Evil Maniac ~

I was lynched


"Boy the way Glen Miller played, songs that made the "Hit Parade"...


EDIT: having just got to White Eyes' post.

WE:

Huh? Where in blazes have you got the idea I'm upset with Sasaki? I never posted such. In dealing with him, it is always prudent to remember Rule #1, but that's hardly a condemnation.

You're gonna use that writeup to pin your vote on me as a unicycling vigilante?

At least 'khaan's using actual data. He's on the wrong track, but for the right reasons.

[TinCow]

I think this games might be a record for most information produced without anything useful coming out of it.

[White_eyes:D]

You're gonna use that writeup to pin your vote on me as a unicycling vigilante? ok....I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.....but give me some evidence that you wouldn't do a write-up that long and action-packed....:smash: but I have a feeling you would do a write-up like that Seamus.....:inquisitive:


I think this game might be a record for most information produced without anything useful coming out of it.
Edit: I know....can we get a Org. award for it.....??:smash:

[White_eyes:D]

How do you like my new sig, TinCow???:smash: I had to hold my sides laughing when you said that.....:laugh4::laugh4:

[Ignoramus]

:wall:

[Thermal]

While I would like to vote for Tevash, I can't help but shake this feeling I've been having all game that Ares is a grunt.

I'm watching you.

Am I on the right track so far? (and just who is ATPG, is he a dead mafia again?)

:laugh4:

[Beefy187]

:wall: im really not concentrating at all am i? :wall:

in my defense im gonna say i've personally not played a game with music been put in the write-up, nor have i played a GF mafia :P so i didnt know

Congrats for your triple 2 post count.

[seireikhaan]

C'mon guys, please do not take your eye off the ball. I am 99% certain that Tevash's reveal is completely false. It would be in the town's benefit to lynch him.

Seamus- I'll respond tomorrow later. I need sleep, for now.

[Beefy187]

C'mon guys, please do not take your eye off the ball. I am 99% certain that Tevash's reveal is completely false. It would be in the town's benefit to lynch him.

Seamus- I'll respond tomorrow later. I need sleep, for now.

Im about 80 percent sure that Tevash's reveal is false. But 20 percent in my head says "its against Bushidou to lynch someone who haven't defended him self"

[taka]

Congrats for your triple 2 post count.

:laugh4: thanks!

[Andres]

C'mon guys, please do not take your eye off the ball. I am 99% certain that Tevash's reveal is completely false. It would be in the town's benefit to lynch him.

Seamus- I'll respond tomorrow later. I need sleep, for now.

Tevashzat needs to spill the beans.

Unvote : Seamus
Vote : Tevashzat

Role pm + night action results, please.

Also, on the unicyclist thing: the mafia does its' own write-ups, without interference from the host, so it might be possible that the unicyclist killer is mafia and that this all something to put us on the wrong track, making us believe that there is mafia and a serial killer/vigilante.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reason I am still here:

Beefy, TinCow, LittleGrizzly, Quintus.JC, Chaotix27, YLC, Rythmic, WhiteEyes, boudica, Reenk Roink, 777Ares777, Glyphz all appreciated my work and said good job. CountArach was fine with it. Andres said my system was a "useful tool". GH appreciated the burst of activity.
Reenk Roink- "Askthepizzaguy, I admire the effort you put in these games, I really do. And don't let some mutterings otherwise stop you. Enjoy these games in your own way." Ichigo didn't complain or otherwise really talk. Seireikhaan said I was annoying at times, but actually he defended me most of the time.

Dissenting opinions: Sasaki Kojiro, TevashSzat

People I probably annoyed and I am truly, truly sorry: Andres

As such, given how most everyone in the game wanted my opinion and stated so, I will continue, thank you. I appreciate your support and will tone down anything that might be misconstrued as self-centered, egotistical, condescending, or whatever. If it came across that way I apologize again, but I do know all of you in this game, and you're used to me by now and know I do mean no harm.

The two people who seemed especially annoyed by me had good reason to do so, as I will now post my Mid-game accusation.

Interesting to see how Sasaki Kojiro died, the writeup tends to indicate that he was an anti-town scumbag. Wanna know why I am here? I came back tonight to accuse him. I finally concluded the following:


TOP SUSPECTS:

TevashSzat- Case closed, no role PM, has no defense. He's the Godfather.

Sasaki Kojiro (re-read his sudden and distinctly, and decisively anti-Pizzaguy turn when the heat was cranked up on TevashSzat. There was no call for that, especially after how courteous and flattering I was towards him. He also lied about my vote for Lord Winter not being the decisive one, said it wasn't tied. According to the tallies at the time, it was, and when Ares changed his vote, it would have been again. And he keeps hammering that point as if it mattered. And he was entirely, and distinctly anti-Seireikhaan even though SK is absolutely innocent.)

Reenk/Shlin - Equal now in my opinion. Take your pick for 3rd place. Sasaki defended Reenk Roink, but also suggested no one would ever want to be a CoP as mafia.

Current theory: TevashSzat is the Godfather, Sasaki Kojiro is his henchman, and Reenk or Shlin if the game still continues. I am now actually more convinced Lord Winter was the other henchman.

Reenk could react this way if he was innocent. I cannot and will not clear him, and perhaps his behavior matches his usual Reenkosity, and still trips my detection net.

Shlin needs to go before Reenk does, and I would nominate Chaotix27, Quintus.JC, or anyone who supported me over Tevash as the next Chief of Police. But I have a feeling he might have been a townie all this time now, on further analysis.


____________________

Apologies Reenk and Shlin for having accused you earlier. But it had a purpose, did it not? I need to refine my web of detection and my spidey senses, but the earlier analysis was preliminary, always was.

As such, I beg your forgiveness, and ask you to lynch TevashSzat. Apologies I still cannot clear you, but I am lightening my stance in retrospect. OK? Let's win this thing.



___________

Seireikhaan and Seamus: A good ploy, but you aren't fooling me, if I am correct. Good job nailing Sasaki Kojiro. I bow to your abilities.

:bow:

TOWN: DO NOT LYNCH SEAMUS THIS ROUND.


Apologies Andres for being a pain in the backside this game. I am truly sorry.

[White_eyes:D]

TOWN: DO NOT LYNCH SEAMUS THIS ROUND.
I am waiting for Tevash's reveal....but if he fails to by the time I wake up.....I am voting him no matter what.....:smash: Seamus is likely Pro-town.....but killing Sasaki makes me nervous...:sweatdrop:
I don't trust vigilantes....:inquisitive: and it could just be a ploy by the Mafia....:book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just want to say, I never actually cleared Sasaki. Being the player that he is, I wanted to see what he would do if I pointed suspicion away from him. He used his time to go on the offensive, and his analysis all game has been well off the mark, and his defense of TevashSzat in particular breaks the rule of defending people you cannot know are innocent.

I "cleared" people in the game, but readily admit, I have no proof whatsoever, and can and just did reverse my stated opinion. I will admit I still thought Reenk and Shlin were baddies, but we all make mistakes.

[CountArach]

Up to Page 14 now... must... push... through.

[Askthepizzaguy]

TevashSzat
Last Activity: Yesterday 12:45


I feel it necessary to point out that TevashSzat has no defense, no revealed role PM, and is intentionally avoiding talking to you.

*lights a cigar*

~:pimp:




“WITH THIS, I TAKE US FROM THE DARKNESS OF ETERNAL OBLIVION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIGHT!!!”

Yes, let us cleanse this town of the oppression of the land rapists, those locusts who feed upon the innocent and claim roles they do not have. Let them be purified inside the Glorious Light (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2077614#post2077614).

All praise the prophet 'khaan, the disciple Reenk, and the foolish blabbermouth, Askthepizzaguy who got himself killed far, far too early that game.

[Beefy187]

How many hours do we have left again?

[Reenk Roink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HD1x_kZRQQ

[Askthepizzaguy]

GH seems to be consistent that the rounds end around 1400.

That would be 9 hours away if I can do basic math, which I can't.




Sit down, Pizza! Sit down Pizza!
(Will someone shut that man up? NEVER!!! NEVER!!!) :clown:

[Beefy187]

Alright, ill vote for Tevash if he doesn't show up in the next 3 hours

[pevergreen]

I'll be online for the next 6 hours or so, checking every so often. I may vote for him if he turns up, but if he comes online again and does not post, then I shall vote for him.

I'm still watchiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing you ares. :evilgrin:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have no proof, but I doubt Ares is scum.

[Beefy187]

I have no proof, but I doubt Ares is scum.

Why so?

[pevergreen]

:laugh4: Why should he go out to defend Ares?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at his voting pattern. Here, I'll grab it for you. BRB.

For reference, here's the summary thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=112254).

day 1: Ares elected Shlin.
day 2: Ares voted Sasaki.
day 2a: Ares didn't vote for Ichigo or Sigurd.
day 3: Ares voted for Sigurd, but he wasn't lynched that day.
day 4: Ares didn't vote.
day 5: Voted for YLC because he didn't feel either of us were guilty. So he left the fate of the game to chance.
day 5a: Ares abstained during the tie vote, and left the fate of the game to chance.


Sorry, that means he's a townie.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

As of this moment Tevash needs to produce his role PM to have any chance of convincing me he is not a fake. Fortunately, like Beefy, I am loathe to condemn a man without giving him a chance to conduct a defence. I would also suggest that Seamus is a poor target at the moment, as far as I can tell it is only a hunch from 'Khaan which has him up as a target.

I'd say that the unicyclist is probably a vigilante, based on his belief he is saving the town from doom, however it is equally plausible that he represents a SK. I'd say it would seem unlikely that the Mafia have hijacked the character for their use.

QJC, you still have not answered my suspicions of you from the previous day. Hoping I'd forget? Vote: QJC, pending response.

Can't stick around, SF tonight, be back tomorrow morning, hopefully before the final tally.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can clear QJC for you too, I believe. BRB.

day 1: QJC elected Shlin, after voting for me in the election. :heart:
day 2: Voted Gaius Scribonius Curio, who is still alive, and there's no heat on either one.
day 2a: Voted Seamus instead of Ichigo in the run-off. Clean hands again.
day 3: Abstained.
day 4: Voted YLC, Clean hands again.
day 5: Voted TevashSzat. He saw right through him. Proof, proof, proof.
(assuming TS is guilty)
day 5a: Left the fate of the game to chance. More proof.



He can't be the mafia if either I were, or if TevashSzat were. I doubt the mafia would support me, or stay on the sidelines.

[naut]

Vote: Tevash

Role PM please. :deal2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

And Psychonaut cannot be mafia either. Lets see:

day 1: elect Reenk. I now believe Reenk is innocent, but I can't prove it.
day 2: voted Ignoramus, a lurker, wasn't responsible for his death at the hands of the mafia.
day 2a: voted Ichigo. Ichigo was a lurker, and I believe Rythmic took huge risks being one of the capper votes on him. But I don't have the data in front of me. Still, hands slightly bloody, but how many others' were?
day 3: abstained.
day 4: (as Psychonaut) voted Taka instead of Sigurd or YLC.
day 5: Voted TevashSzat. Have a slice of pizza for your bravery. :pizza:
day 5a: Voted TevashSzat again. Kudos!

If he's mafia, he's also my uncle.


More peeps to analyze:

shlin28
Pevergreen (just joined after YLC's suicide)
777Ares777
Andres
TevashSzat
Quintus.JC
Psychonaut
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio

[Andres]

Look at his voting pattern. Here, I'll grab it for you. BRB.

For reference, here's the summary thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=112254).

day 1: Ares elected Shlin.
day 2: Ares voted Sasaki.
day 2a: Ares didn't vote for Ichigo or Sigurd.
day 3: Ares voted for Sigurd, but he wasn't lynched that day.
day 4: Ares didn't vote.
day 5: Voted for YLC because he didn't feel either of us were guilty. So he left the fate of the game to chance.
day 5a: Ares abstained during the tie vote, and left the fate of the game to chance.


Sorry, that means he's a townie.


I can clear QJC for you too, I believe. BRB.

day 1: QJC elected Shlin, after voting for me in the election. :heart:
day 2: Voted Gaius Scribonius Curio, who is still alive, and there's no heat on either one.
day 2a: Voted Seamus instead of Ichigo in the run-off. Clean hands again.
day 3: Abstained.
day 4: Voted YLC, Clean hands again.
day 5: Voted TevashSzat. He saw right through him. Proof, proof, proof.
(assuming TS is guilty)
day 5a: Left the fate of the game to chance. More proof.



He can't be the mafia if either I were, or if TevashSzat were. I doubt the mafia would support me, or stay on the sidelines.


And Psychonaut cannot be mafia either. Lets see:

day 1: elect Reenk. I now believe Reenk is innocent, but I can't prove it.
day 2: voted Ignoramus, a lurker, wasn't responsible for his death at the hands of the mafia.
day 2a: voted Ichigo. Ichigo was a lurker, and I believe Rythmic took huge risks being one of the capper votes on him. But I don't have the data in front of me. Still, hands slightly bloody, but how many others' were?
day 3: abstained.
day 4: (as Psychonaut) voted Taka instead of Sigurd or YLC.
day 5: Voted TevashSzat. Have a slice of pizza for your bravery. :pizza:
day 5a: Voted TevashSzat again. Kudos!

If he's mafia, he's also my uncle.

Sorry, but I really, really don't see how that makes them innocent.

[pevergreen]

I agree with Andres. Voting patterns don't mean much if we arent sure of anyone's alignment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, but I really, really don't see how that makes them innocent.

That's ok. In order to know, you'd have to know for a fact what my allegiance is. From my perspective, it's a lot easier to nail down the suspects because I can clear myself and I also know if I was anywhere even remotely close to the truth, the mafia would all oppose me, or pretend to do be my friend and then change their minds at the end due to Tevash's reveal as detective.

Process of elimination. It's not 100%, but I'd give it a 90% or better.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Put aside the option that I were mafia/other for a moment, just for the sake of argument.

Now, assuming I am a townie: Murdering me would validate my suspects as being scummy, either falsely or correctly. The mafia would prefer I be lynched, because that means you cannot determine my alignment.

The vote between myself and TevashSzat was tied, twice. Any mafia remaining would oppose me.
From my perspective, knowing what I am, the solution is clear. Given my two wrong accusations, it was easy for the mafia to defend themselves AND vote for me without looking suspect.

[shlin28]

ATPG. I'm disappointed when you didn't say my name when mentioning those who wanted you to come back... ~:mecry:

:clown:

The tallies are not good resources to use when trying to find people IMO, just because they voted with your rather against you is... er... a bit... er.. not a good reason to think they are innocent.

I think you are overlooking your supporters, they would recognise early on that people who disagreed with you were being accused... hence, if they side with you, they can get by with relatively few accusations.

Just my two cents, ATPG!

PS: Welcome back! (after a dreadful 20 hour absence that is) :smash:

[shlin28]

Could you AND tevash be both innocent?

That could be a possbility that you havn't discussed yet... so the mafia could vote for both you and be fine... hypothetically of course :sweatdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry bout that Shlin, I just got a scummy vibe from you, and due to your position, I cannot clear you using the odds or your actions.

:bow: But thanks for the welcome back.

I know the proofs aren't 100% ironclad, but given the terrible corner the mafia painted themselves in, they could not afford to sit and wait it out. That's my conclusion, thats my leap of faith. That's why it's not absolute proof, but odds.



EDIT: If TevashSzat is innocent, he would have posted his role PM last night when he was here, responded to my accusations, or otherwise discussed with town something, I believe.

Mafia already know what he claims to be, and by the way, he wasn't murdered last night. Odds suggest I am correct. He wouldn't even discuss a plan of action as a BLUFF which could mislead the mafia into murdering his chosen target. He has no defense, and won't be able to face me down again, I suspect.

[Andres]

ATPG, lynching a townie does not mean you're guilty.

In mafia games, most lynchings are wrong and townies lynch townies most of the time. It's not scummy to have been voting townies over the whole course of a game. Making errors is not mafia-behaviour, it's human behaviour.

One can have perfectly valid reasons to vote townies over and over again. And some vote for wrong reasons and are townie nonetheless.

Players are human, humans are unpredictable, humans make errors all the time. Some of us are slightly better (or just luckier?) than others to detect mafiosi, but in the end, unless you are the detective and have a "guilty" on somebody, it's always guessing.

It is not, has never been and will never be exact science. Collecting data can be useful, but not an instrument for guaranteed victory in every single game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am intrigued by the option you suggested, Shlin28.

That is something which has a possibility of being true. But, then the mafia would allow me to live, and thus vote, even more in this game. And I do not clear anyone merely for supporting me, I also look at the rest of their posting habits, their in-thread contributions, and their suggested suspects.

@Andres, you're correct. I have no proof other than circumstantial evidence, and I could be wrong.

Why do you think I allowed TevashSzat to live and myself to die? Because at the end, I could be wrong.

[Andres]

@Andres, you're correct. I have no proof other than circumstantial evidence, and I could be wrong.

Why do you think I allowed TevashSzat to live and myself to die? Because at the end, I could be wrong.

ATPG, it's not you who "allows" this or that to happen. Unless you're a solo character (Serial Killer or some neutral role), mafia is a TEAM GAME. It was not Askthepizzaguy who lynched Askthepizzaguy but all the players who voted you (and the other players who did not put enough votes on another guy).

You're not playing this game all alone by yourself, but in a team. The teams are townie and mafia, not townie/mafia and Askthepizzaguy.

It is not I won X games, but the town/mafia team won this or that game.

It's not about the individual, but about the team.

[Askthepizzaguy]

More about my self-lynch decision:

Askthepizzaguy: 100% sure I am not the detective. Also, innocent.
TevashSzat: Claimed detective. My top suspect, and he does need to die. However, I am not 100% sure he's not the detective.

The choice was clear. But his actions dictate that he's no detective. His activity, votes, suspects, missing investigation, little white lies, defense arguments, and so on, lead me to believe he's guilty. The FOS on YLC just floors me.

I can talk about this all day, doesn't bother me. It's not hard to discuss the situation when you're dead, having nothing to hide, and have lots of compelling evidence that you cannot fabricate.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, it's not you who "allows" this or that to happen. Unless you're a solo character (Serial Killer or some neutral role), mafia is a TEAM GAME. It was not Askthepizzaguy who lynched Askthepizzaguy but all the players who voted you (and the other players who did not put enough votes on another guy).

You're not playing this game all alone by yourself, but in a team. The teams are townie and mafia, not townie/mafia and Askthepizzaguy.

It's not about the individual, but about the team.

I'm on the team, doing analyses from my perspective. That's all I can do, my friend.

And if I weren't concerned with what other people on my team did or thought, I wouldn't bother posting my thoughts. I'd just sit back and do reasonless votes and try to survive as long as I could.

I'm a member of the TEAM because I'm willing to do in-depth analysis and die for the cause. I am sorry if it rubbed anyone the wrong way, or in any way suggested only my opinion matters.

I am responding to everyone who offers a counter-opinion, compelling or not, because I care.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I make an assumption, that the primary "rub the wrong way" is when I talked about my track record and claimed any sort of credit for anything. If so, please discuss that outside of the thread with me.

I would only do that if I made them my top suspect over everyone else at any point in the game, and it wasn't a random guess, it was with evidence and based on analysis. That's all I meant. Obviously it's a team effort, and I couldn't accomplish anything alone. That's why, after looking at things from my perspective, I share it with others and hear what they have to say, and when they make sense to me, like Gaius Scribonius Curio did earlier in the game, I rethink things and go along with it.

In my defense, I'd also like to say, I am not the first player to refer to previous games, for activity, for posting style, for strategy, nor am I the first player to claim a tiny bit of credit for correct guesses. As I said, I don't flaunt it because I have some serious errors to claim as well.

That said, I don't believe this thread is the proper venue for that discussion.

[shlin28]

Oooooh, got something.

You know how yesterday ATPG and I were arguing about how Tevash investigated YLC and then FoSed him?

I think its a simple error.

ATPG (and GH) takes the first day (the election day) as D1, whilst I was thinking D2 as D1 because I thought the election day didn't count. Could Tevash have made the same mistake, and so his FoS was in fact before he investigated him?

:wall: I hate time paradoxes...

[glyphz]

Tis very disappointing to still not be able to 'hear' anything from TevashSzat, and the mob grows weary
...and sleepy.
Vote: Abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oooooh, got something.

You know how yesterday ATPG and I were arguing about how Tevash investigated YLC and then FoSed him?

I think its a simple error.

ATPG (and GH) takes the first day (the election day) as D1, whilst I was thinking D2 as D1 because I thought the election day didn't count. Could Tevash have made the same mistake, and so his FoS was in fact before he investigated him?

:wall: I hate time paradoxes...

No. look at the post count.

Past post 800 was when he had already claimed detective and cleared him via investigation, and well past that, he pointed the FOS at him, as I proved here:


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138419&postcount=977
Post 977. There is no time paradox due to the post numbers.

[shlin28]

I was thinking the FoS before that, the FoS before he claimed detective.

Doesn't matter anyway, tis only a small matter.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was thinking the FoS before that, the FoS before he claimed detective.

Doesn't matter anyway, tis only a small matter.

Oh, well that's a simple matter. Any FOS on YLC before that would make sense. But I was referring to the one that seemed to be a little strange, when you already cleared someone and still point the FOS at them for not supporting you.

Any prior FOS seems irrelevant, but objectively, that final one does seem relevant. Do you differ on that point?

[naut]

Lynch Tevash already people. He's lying through his teeth.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Tevash already people. He's lying through his teeth.

You know, I'd still be willing to hear him out. Like I said, I will not be responsible for another Chicago. (meaning, my stupid mistakes of not looking at defenses or other suspects, only)


:book:

[Beefy187]

Well lets just see if ATPG is right about Tevash

Vote:Tevash

If his not it, then we can start considering to put ATPG on ignore :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

:bow: I gotta run guys. I have a lot of stuff to do this week and may not be here for a while. I predict you will win this game, and I thank you for encouraging me to talk and contribute.

See ya :smash:

Don't forget to sign up to my upcoming mafia game, if you're interested. Valentine's Day massacre and the Resident Evil 2 game are the options, I'm leaning V-day.

[shlin28]

Okay, after reading through thread... I seriously now consider Igno as a detective... see this post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2136815#post2136815

Doesn't this just scream detective at you?

and this after he died:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2139551#post2139551

Only a detective would do that.

I say we lynch Tevash now!

[White_eyes:D]

Someone please make a tally....:wall: Shlin get your grunts minions to do it:grin:

[shlin28]

*sigh*

Its a bad omen when the CoP actually does some work...

Tevash 4 (Ares, Andres, Psychonaut, Beefy)
Seamus 2 (RR, WE)
RR 1 (Chaotix)
Pever 1 (Taka)
Abstain 1 (glyphz)

[TinCow]

The vote between myself and TevashSzat was tied, twice. Any mafia remaining would oppose me.
From my perspective, knowing what I am, the solution is clear. Given my two wrong accusations, it was easy for the mafia to defend themselves AND vote for me without looking suspect.

This is based on a flawed presumption: that TevashSzat is mafia. While he certainly appears to be a mafioso and is the best lynch this round (IMO), that's not definitive evidence. It's entirely possible that both of you are innocent, which would allow the mafia to vote for anyone they wanted during that round. Even if Tevash was guilty, the mafia could have been willing to sacrifice him, thinking he was a goner anyway. This seems to be a consistent problem with your game analysis. You set up a presumption for yourself, and then work from there to clear or convict everyone else based on their conduct in the context of that presumption. Unfortunately, if that presumption is not true then your entire case is undermined.

Even more unfortunately, the kind of presumptions you seem to make are extraordinarily difficult to ever prove before the game is over. You appear to try and find someone who is innocent and someone who is guilty, and work from there. However, there is no way to prove whether those people truly were innocent or guilty in most games, and certainly not in this game. Yes, it is likely that LW was mafia, but it's not certain. It is also likely that you are innocent, but that's not certain either. This very uncertainty then undermines the rest of your analysis and makes it easy for others to poke holes in it or disregard it. IMO, the key is to find methods of analysis that do not require presumptions of any kind, as this completely avoids the problem.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Tevash

No response thus far, even to the point of telling us we're just being silly. As Tincow rightly asserts, we have no absolute proof of your guilt, but a revealed detective who does not step forward to take the lead.....well, adios.

Sadly, I can't think the game will end with Tev's lynch (though we may get lucky). Were he the Godfather, there would be SOMETHING happening to draw fire away.


Side note: White Eyes, despite saying twice that you would/we should vote to lynch Tev if no info was forthcoming, your vote is still listed on me? :inquisitive: Oversight? Or setting up a "whoops, I'm so sorry" defense?

[White_eyes:D]

Come on....his lynch was going to happen no matter what.....do I need to beat his dead :daisy: some more? :shrug: I mean the guy won;t even defend himself....or even log on.....what do you expect....??

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Come on....his lynch was going to happen no matter what.....do I need to beat his dead :daisy: some more? :shrug: I mean the guy won;t even defend himself....or even log on.....what do you expect....??

I just like the loose ends cleared up. It does not appear it will make any lasting impact this time.

On a side note, I hope Tev wasn't ticked off at the whole process -- some folks personalized the discussion a good bit too much during that stretch. We all need to remember, as Puzo said, "It's just business -- nothing personal."

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Disappointed in you tevash...a good detective reveal has to say something new or unexpected, otherwise it's simply "well that's what a mafioso would claim". The nude unicyclist or boombox guy would have been a much better claim. You let your mafia brothers down a bit. The role pm would have been easy to fake too:


Congratulations TevashSzatyou're the detective!

It is your goal to help to town survive. Every night it is your job to PM me with the name of the person you wish to investigate. I will send you a reply of whether the person is innocent or guilty.

I will soon post the list of everyone alive/playing in the thread. Once that happens, pick who you would like to investigate.

Good luck, watch out for the Mafia, and happy hunting! PM me if you have any questions.

General Hankerchief

:no:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow Sasaki, how far back did you have to go to dig that one up?

[shlin28]

That clinches it, Sasaki MUST be scum! :smash:

That means we only got the Godfather left! YEEHAW!

*Fires pistol into the air*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow Sasaki, how far back did you have to go to dig that one up?

I typed it from memory :laugh4:

Mafia IV/Mafia V

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 6

Although nowhere near the scream-fest that was yesterday, the day's discussions were still quite lively, with the participants mainly focused on the emergence of the nude unicyclist as a killer and then his subsequent disappearance. People were torn between laughter at the absurdity of the kill and shock that there was another potential foe to be reckoned with.

However, discussion eventually shifted to another prominent event - TevashSzat's declaration that he was the Gameroom's Detective. Throughout the day, everyone gathered around him, clamoring to know more about what he had done, or his job qualifications, or his certificate of Detective-ship from the authorities.

There was one problem with this, however - Tevash was sound asleep.

He was apparently a heavy sleeper, too, for people crowded around very closely, screamed in his ear, and even started kicking him at the end of the day. None of this produced any result. Really, the only thing that changed was that he started to snore later in the day. At first, people thought he was stirring, but soon groaned when they found he was just prone to an annoying nocturnal habit.

At the close of voting, Chief of Police shlin28 fired his gun in the air a few times, which got everybody's attention. "All right, everybody, shut up," he said to the crowd, which quickly quieted down. "Tevash is guilty. Get up here."

Silence.

"Tevash, get up here and die!!!"

*snore*

Annoyed, shlin walked down off the execution platform to where Tevash was sleeping, placed his gun right beside Tevash's ear, and fired it into the air once more. This was finally enough to rouse him, and Tevash awoke with a start, his eyes darting around wildly.

"Wha- who- izzit time yet?"

The Chief of Police didn't answer, only taking a still-confused Tevash by the shoulder and dragging him back up to the execution platform. Everyone in the crowd could hear shlin grumbling about "manual labor" and "not my job to walk down from the platform and back". Slapping Tevash awake a few more times, he jammed him in the chair from yesterday and began forcefully duct-taping him to it.

Once this task was complete and Tevash was thorougly unable to move, shlin walked to the back of a truck and came back with a full stack of what looked like rocket-like objects. Without a word, he placed them all around Tevash's chair. Tevash's eyes widened in fear, and they continued to get wider as shlin stepped back, lit a match, and watched the flame burn closer and closer to the rockets.

"This was originally meant for yesterday," he reminded the crowd. "I personally think it would have been more appropriate for then, but what can you do? Bombs away!"

At that, the flame connected with the rockets and Tevash launched into the air, going higher and higher... until he finally exploded. The crowd cheered as they saw what remained.


https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/59693_378ef9ebf7.jpg

Day 6 tally:

TevashSzat: 5 (777Ares777, Andres, Psychonaut, Beefy187, Seamus Fermanagh) :skull:
Seamus Fermanagh: 2 (Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Chaotix27)
pevergreen: 1 (taka)
Quintus.JC: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)

Abstained: 3 (shlin28, glyphz, pevergreen)
Didn't vote: 3 (TevashSzat, Quintus.JC, LittleGrizzly)

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (15)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
Psychonaut
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat

[Andres]

That clinches it, Sasaki MUST be scum! :smash:

That means we only got the Godfather left! YEEHAW!

*Fires pistol into the air*

Indeed. His role reveal is obviously fake! I suggest we dig up his corpse and lynch it tomorrow!

*** Puts pointing finger in the air and makes "bang! bang! sounds ***

[Reenk Roink]

Oh come on. Tevash probably had soemthing come up and couldn't post. :wall:

Seamus has to die, and I'm disappointed in the town. :shame: :disappointed:

[Andres]

Oh come on. Tevash probably had soemthing come up and couldn't post. :wall:

Seamus has to die, and I'm disappointed in the town. :shame: :disappointed:

Why does Seamus have to die?

[TinCow]

Why does Seamus have to die?

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/khaan.jpg

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've been waiting for somebody to post something like that ever since khaan joined. :laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

Why does Seamus have to die?

I have thought Seamus guilty ever since early in the game when he tried to pass off the write ups as my doing. I don't know what the seireikhaan clues or whatever were and haven't been paying attention.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I have thought Seamus guilty ever since early in the game when he tried to pass off the write ups as my doing. I don't know what the seireikhaan clues or whatever were and haven't been paying attention.

In what post did I do that? :inquisitive: I shall search....

If you mean this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2125262#post2125262) one, I was jokingly complimenting you -- and you HAVE been both an excellent partner and a deadly opponent.

Or this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2125576&postcount=125) one, where I answered CA? Admittedly, I was being a little devilsome here, but you and I have always shared humorous asides, no?

Surely not this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2125781&postcount=137)?

All three of these were the only places I mentioned you in specific Reenkster and all of these were on the semi-flippant election day phase. What's the problem?

[seireikhaan]

Alright, Seamus, here's my next question:

Why the dip in activity in postcount since I PM'd you on Tuesday? By my count, you've gone down roughly .25 posts per day, pushing you closer to previous totals.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Alright, Seamus, here's my next question:

Why the dip in activity in postcount since I PM'd you on Tuesday? By my count, you've gone down roughly .25 posts per day, pushing you closer to previous totals.

Sunday/Monday are paperwork and calls days. Tuesday was a 1st degree at council 5480, Wed through Friday were two meeting days with appropriate prep. I did try to keep up and stay with the game, but didn't have quite so many posts -- happens. You'd probably get a slight pickup over this weekend just past if you chart those days versus the others.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm... Fair enough.

Next question: Same question I posed to Andres and Sasaki- Knowing that half the people in this game think I'm practically the ant-christ in terms of my deviousness, what would it take for you to believe about me to kill me the second night?

[Reenk Roink]

In what post did I do that? :inquisitive: I shall search....

If you mean this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2125262#post2125262) one, I was jokingly complimenting you -- and you HAVE been both an excellent partner and a deadly opponent.

Or this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2125576&postcount=125) one, where I answered CA? Admittedly, I was being a little devilsome here, but you and I have always shared humorous asides, no?

Surely not this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2125781&postcount=137)?

All three of these were the only places I mentioned you in specific Reenkster and all of these were on the semi-flippant election day phase. What's the problem?

This one old buddy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130185&postcount=360).

Yes, my suspicions of you are all based on intuition whereas I know many of you prefer an analytical approach, but as you know, Reenk Roink puts little value in rationality and analysis. :bow:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Hmm... Fair enough.

Next question: Same question I posed to Andres and Sasaki- Knowing that half the people in this game think I'm practically the ant-christ in terms of my deviousness, what would it take for you to believe about me to kill me the second night?

As a mafioso, and were I so in this game, I'd probably not have selected you for an early offing -- unless I had more than just a vague hunch that you had a power town role (occasionally a detective will slip up and use a term or phrasing that hints at their status, then you whack them). Unless I thought I was taking out a role ealry, however, I'd have used your reputation as cover for the mid-game. It's pretty reasonable to assume that a town will start pressuring players with a rep by that point, so I'd have waited until townie suspicions got some of the big names and then removed the rest. So, short summary, had I been mafia I would only have whacked you early if I thought you were a power role.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This one old buddy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130185&postcount=360).

Yes, my suspicions of you are all based on intuition whereas I know many of you prefer an analytical approach, but as you know, Reenk Roink puts little value in rationality and analysis. :bow:

Harder to counter intuition than anything else Reenk. There's simply no single datum I can point to that may shift your thinking. You either get a sense that I'm going about things normally or you get a sense that I am being vague and evasive. I think if you close read my posts etc., you should see the former, but I can't get in your head to convince you.

As to the specific reference however, if GH was picking rather than assigning, I really do think your veering humor and pinache would be suited to such a character -- you're just too :daisy: fun! Short of Gregoshi joining us in a mafia, can you think of anyone else better suited?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Woo, Seamus's 5,000th post was in my thread! :medievalcheers:

I think

[White_eyes:D]

Harder to counter intuition than anything else Reenk. There's simply no single datum I can point to that may shift your thinking. You either get a sense that I'm going about things normally or you get a sense that I am being vague and evasive. I think if you close read my posts etc., you should see the former, but I can't get in your head to convince you.

As to the specific reference however, if GH was picking rather than assigning, I really do think your veering humor and pinache would be suited to such a character -- you're just too :daisy: fun! Short of Gregoshi joining us in a mafia, can you think of anyone else better suited?

I still think Reenk is the Boom box guy.....:smash:

[Andres]

Alright, Seamus, here's my next question:

Why the dip in activity in postcount since I PM'd you on Tuesday? By my count, you've gone down roughly .25 posts per day, pushing you closer to previous totals.


Hmm... Fair enough.

Next question: Same question I posed to Andres and Sasaki- Knowing that half the people in this game think I'm practically the ant-christ in terms of my deviousness, what would it take for you to believe about me to kill me the second night?

1+1=2 ?

'khaan investigated Seamus, got an "innocent" result, contacted him through pm, hinting at his detective role and got killed the very next night?

'khaan deduces from this that Seamus is the godfather?

Seamus, can you post the pm 'khaan sent you on that Tuesday?

EDIT: but then again, wouldn't it be smarter for a godfather to keep the detective close to him and alive?

[Beefy187]

Khaan: Hey Seamus.. Im the detective!!
Seamus: Really?? (excellent....)

*Seamus orders his man to execute Khaan

That is rather silly and too obvious.. Could be going for the WIFOM effect but what kind of mad God Father risks that??

[naut]

It's possible. I'm not going to go charging blindly into this one though. Did enough of that the last two rounds. I think I might read, get my bearings then disregard everything I've read then go charging blindly in again.

[Beefy187]

It's possible. I'm not going to go charging blindly into this one though. Did enough of that the last two rounds. I think I might read, get my bearings then disregard everything I've read then go charging blindly in again.

:laugh4:

If God Father dies then its immediate end of game is it not? Let us hope that Tevash was the God Father so we don't have to do our blind charging :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very well. That would tie up the loose ends.

Very nicely done slipping under my scumdar, Seamus Fermanagh. Although, to be fair, GeneralHankerchief's post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2140265&postcount=1118

Did not include the words "I will accept night actions now".

A little odd, if the game continued. A bit of suspense, GH?

I readily admit that Seamus could have and probably did completely fool me, if the game continues. But I'm not totally convinced the game is still in play.

Seamus would be the next top suspect, at this time.




Disappointed in you tevash...a good detective reveal has to say something new or unexpected, otherwise it's simply "well that's what a mafioso would claim". The nude unicyclist or boombox guy would have been a much better claim. You let your mafia brothers down a bit. The role pm would have been easy to fake too:

Sasaki seems to have resigned the mafia to defeat. He might have been the henchman I suspected, and Tevash might have been the Godfather. But then again, Seamus looks like a delightful choice as well. Sasaki may have been a townie, but I don't see why he did a 180 on his stance towards me and started defending Tevash like no one's business.




I say GeneralHankerchief is the Boombox guy dropping hints, and that Seireikhaan was the detective, and that Seamus is either a nude unicyclist vigilante or the Godfather, and I have no idea who the vigilante is. Lord Winter and Tevash both seem to be mafia to me, and I think Sasaki too... but we will see.



On a side note, I hope Tev wasn't ticked off at the whole process -- some folks personalized the discussion a good bit too much during that stretch. We all need to remember, as Puzo said, "It's just business -- nothing personal."

If I in any way crossed the line, and I may have, I offer my sincerest of apologies. I am a bad pizzaguy. :whip:



Oh, and Tevash: You played a good game. Seriously. You have nothing to apologize for, and you almost completely evaded detection.

[TinCow]

1+1=2 ?

'khaan investigated Seamus, got an "innocent" result, contacted him through pm, hinting at his detective role and got killed the very next night?

'khaan deduces from this that Seamus is the godfather?

Seamus, can you post the pm 'khaan sent you on that Tuesday?

EDIT: but then again, wouldn't it be smarter for a godfather to keep the detective close to him and alive?

If khaan was the detective, I doubt he'd be so foolish as to reveal himself privately to anyone, since he would be well aware that an innocent night result doesn't mean the target wasn't mafia. I think the math is more like:

khaan + death = Seamus - evidence

[Askthepizzaguy]

If khaan was the detective, I doubt he'd be so foolish as to reveal himself privately to anyone, since he would be well aware that an innocent night result doesn't mean the target wasn't mafia. I think the math is more like:

khaan + death = Seamus - evidence

Now THAT makes more sense. :applause:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Khaan: Hey Seamus.. Im the detective!!
Seamus: Really?? (excellent....)

*Seamus orders his man to execute Khaan

That is rather silly and too obvious.. Could be going for the WIFOM effect but what kind of mad God Father risks that??



No, actually I got a PM reading "I know what you are. Have fun." with that big :daisy:-eating smile smilie attached. I thought it was a fishing expedition -- here's my reply:

Re: The Godfather, Part 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
I know what you are.

Have fun.

Generic Townie -- I'm caught! But I'll have fun for sure.

-- I'm just cut and pasting so the smilies in 'khaans message and next to the Re: are stripped.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well since you're here Seamus, and I believe you're probably innocent, if the game continues, who should we lynch besides you?

Make your case compelling, because the zombies are hungry.

[Beefy187]

Well since you're here Seamus, and I believe you're probably innocent, if the game continues, who should we lynch besides you?

Make your case compelling, because the zombies are hungry.

Would you stop mentioning that??

I'm allergic to zombies :wall:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Rar! I will eat you eventually, o beefy one.

[White_eyes:D]

No, actually I got a PM reading "I know what you are. Have fun." with that big :daisy:-eating smile smilie attached. I thought it was a fishing expedition -- here's my reply:

Re: The Godfather, Part 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
I know what you are.

Have fun.

Generic Townie -- I'm caught! But I'll have fun for sure.

-- I'm just cut and pasting so the smilies in 'khaans message and next to the Re: are stripped.

So Khaan was Role-fishing??? but was knocked off when he found....whatever it was he found out???:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Role-fishing?

Wow. I am so stealing that idea.

[White_eyes:D]

Role-fishing?

Wow. I am so stealing that idea.

Sigurd came up with it first......no stealing Pizza guy:stare: but I will tip:2cents:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You may have to change your signature line very shortly, White_Eyes:D.

Some of the stuff I said about Tevash could have been worthy. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

No.....it's too true, what TinCow said:laugh4::laugh4:
I mean we don't even know if are detective was killed or lynched.....yet we have more then 1000+ of posts...mostly with behavior patterns, No. of posts and plain just suspicions.....we still have a number of lurkers not commenting.....TinCow's quote is too true:yes: and hilarious...:laugh4::laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hehe... well, we shall see.

I just came 'round to see what had transpired and if you guys did lynch Tevash, who I think we all agree, has an enormous chance of being at least one of the scums, if not THE scum, we were looking for.

Anywhoozle. Until GH tells us otherwise, we have to treat the game as "not over" and I'm inclined to see what Seireikhaan's hubub about Seamus was all about. See you in a bit, guys.

[TinCow]

No, actually I got a PM reading "I know what you are. Have fun." with that big :daisy:-eating smile smilie attached. I thought it was a fishing expedition -- here's my reply:

Re: The Godfather, Part 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
I know what you are.

Have fun.

Generic Townie -- I'm caught! But I'll have fun for sure.

-- I'm just cut and pasting so the smilies in 'khaans message and next to the Re: are stripped.

Interesting. I may have to double-check my mafo-math. The above was certainly foolish if khaan was a detective, but it was also smart if he was just a townie. The odds of Seamus being frightened enough of khaan to kill him off seem pretty low to me, but it's worth considering.

khaan + PM + death = Seamus x Coincidence

Not exactly a strong case, but better than anything else I've seen presented lately. The FoS: Seamus gets the official TinCow seal of aMOOval:


https://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9839/defaultaspxrf0.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

Holy Cow!

:laugh4:

I'm downloading tunes from iTunes and I caught that image... it's highly disturbing, yet I cannot look away!!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Night 6

Psychonaut was walking along in the Gameroom parking one foot in front of the other, without a care in the world. After all, the one person and likely mafiaso, Sasaki was dead, leaving him safe and sound.

He could never quite be pinned down to be a lynch target and was sure no one noticed that joking exchange between him and Sasaki, when he was pressured and going to be voted for no reason. He assumed that he was safe from night kills, as who would want to target him? after all, they didn't know his true identity.

This would prove to be a fatal assumption.

Psychonaut continued walking along but then noticed a man in a business suit, watching him from a cliff with binoculars. "That's weird," he thought, then he tried to walk faster towards the end of the park, not noticing the rather large hole that had been dug recently into the ground. He fell in and tried to get up but then realized he twisted his ankle, "NO, :daisy:" he shouted. If only he hadn't walked here this way, this never would have happen. If only he had kept his mouth shut, he never would have gave himself away.

The man in the distance only said "for Sasaki" as he pulled out a remote controller and pressed the button, which triggered the C4 he had placed around the hole he had dug, with Psychonaut still trapped inside.

The resulting explosion was heard across the Gameroom. When the CoP arrived, all he found was a now huge hole in the gameroom park and a DVD near by entitled 'To the loving memory of Sasaki' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxaXJKS68Go)

Chief of Police shlin28 was very annoyed to have had his suntanning session interrupted. The attendants in the booth he had recruited to "watch over him" were very beautiful - and scantily-dressed - indeed. But now they were gone, and he found himself examining another murder scene. All of the music the mafia had selected was annoying, too; although the man with the boombox's choices wasn't any better. Today he was playing "Still Alive" by Jonathan Coulton, smiling as shlin shook his head as he walked by.

The execution plan for the day wasn't too elaborate, as shlin wanted to get back to tanning. He set up the cannon, called all the villagers to the usual spot, and announced that whoever had the most votes would be shot out to parts unknown.

"I'll be back when voting is finished," shlin concluded to the crowd. "Don't kill each other. Only I'm allowed to do that."

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (14)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Seamus Fermanagh
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat

[Andres]

Well, the case against Seamus has been put.

In the meanwhile, I'm going to Vote : taka.

Only 11 posts, so I'd like to hear more from you.

Gaius Scribonius Curio and glyphz should start talking as well.

[TinCow]

No note of the nude unicyclist anymore. That suggest to me that Psychonaut had that role. So, we're back to single-kill mafioso, which has been consistent since the lynching of Lord Winter. It's possible that we've killed both of the grunts, but impossible to tell for sure, so not really worth considering. In any case, the odds look decent. 14 players left, and we only need to lynch one person to win, regardless of how many mafioso are still alive. By my math, that gives us 6 more lynchings to get it right, 5 if we've still got a grunt alive.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's worth considering that the mafia could be someone who hasn't come under suspicion at all this game...

It's interesting that the kill is written as a sort of revenge style kill. Whoever is left as mafia has style that's for certain.

I'd urge the town to avoid summaries. Don't make a big list of who you think is innocent and who could be guilty--we have a number of lynches remaining sure, but it's always nice when the mafia kills a suspect.

[shlin28]

I'm thinking the remaining mafia is amongst those who are not under suspcion much - ie. QCJ (generally not very talkative), GSC (no accusations after ATPG said GSC's rebuttal was "silk smooth"), LG (who has not been accused I think apart from the matter regarding Jolt) and others.

*reads thread to find out more*

:book:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"I'll be back when voting is finished," shlin concluded to the crowd. "Don't kill each other. Only I'm allowed to do that."

Btw shlin, surely this should read "Only I and the mafia are allowed to do that" :tongue3:

[TinCow]

I'm thinking the remaining mafia is amongst those who are not under suspcion much

That list includes you.

[Andres]

That list includes you.

And that scummy looking Tratorix !

[shlin28]

Btw shlin, surely this should read "Only I and the mafia are allowed to do that" :tongue3: GH is biased against me! By the power vested in me by the good people of the Gameroom, I shall impeach the host!

(Too many of those write-ups hints at me being mafia... when I'm just a powerhungry townie...:wall: )

Edit: To Tincow - I know I'm pretty suspcious (High post count usually means I have a role), but because I know I am innocent, I feel it is better to accuse others first (WIFOM I know...)

To Andres: Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There's no point keeping things tied. TevashSzat's reveal (true or not) makes the decision a bit easier.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Atpg, I hope you'll still attempt to give us a hand, post-mortem


I doubt much of town has time to consider/analyze the new evidence presented by both sides.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy; Vote: TevashSzat to temporarily keep things tied. Although individuals can simply overturn this tie. (currently, tied at 7 a piece) And yes, thiss phase has lasted a bit too long too.

@ GeneralHankerchief: HOw many hours are left before this phase ends?

Emphasis mine. Why the change glyphz?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think the best move for the town would be to automatically lynch the first living townie who posts without making a reasonably substantial (say three sentence) accusation and vote. We need everyone posting and without a terribly solid lead to go on today it's a decent use of a lynch.

VVV I was referring to the underlined portion. Also...the point is kinda to have him answer...

[shlin28]

Emphasis mine. Why the change glyphz?

Since we can reasonably conclude that Tevash and ATPG are both not mafia (that is subject to doubt, but I think the 2 dead grunts are LW and you :no:), a simple vote change like that has no meaning.

Of course, if either ATPG and Tevash are mafia... then glyphz should be considered a suspect, but all the evidence points to the contrary.

[Andres]

I think the best move for the town would be to automatically lynch the first living townie who posts without making a reasonably substantial (say three sentence) accusation and vote. We need everyone posting and without a terribly solid lead to go on today it's a decent use of a lynch.

VVV I was referring to the underlined portion. Also...the point is kinda to have him answer...

What about Seamus?

And do you think you got killed by the mafia or a vigilante/serial killer?

[TinCow]

I think the 2 dead grunts are LW and you

You seem pretty certain we've killed both grunts. As far as I can tell, there's no evidence that we've killed more than 1. Care to explain why you wrote the above?

[shlin28]

Well... er... the write-up said the killer was "avenging" sasaki.

Of course, that could just be an evil mafia ploy.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well... er... the write-up said the killer was "avenging" sasaki.

Of course, that could just be an evil mafia ploy.

I don't understand what you mean.


What about Seamus?

He could be guilty, he's certainly a capable mafioso. Khaan is still pursuing him and I haven't sen anything convincing so far--honestly there are many reasons khaan might have been killed.


And do you think you got killed by the mafia or a vigilante/serial killer?

Seems to be a one-shot vigilante of sorts. I have an idea who it is but no point in saying, in case they aren't one shot. The unicyclist isn't in today's writeup though.

[Andres]

He could be guilty, he's certainly a capable mafioso. Khaan is still pursuing him and I haven't sen anything convincing so far--honestly there are many reasons khaan might have been killed.



Seems to be a one-shot vigilante of sorts. I have an idea who it is but no point in saying, in case they aren't one shot. The unicyclist isn't in today's writeup though.

Well, the reason I asked is, if you would have been guilty and vig killed and if Seamus would be your scum buddy, then the way you just behaved is exactly what I would expect from you.

I know it's alot of if's, but it's still a rather interesting coincidence that 'khaan got killed right after he semi revealed himself as the detective to Seamus.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But khaan didn't have a guilty result on seamus--else he'd have voted him. Khaan's reasoning on Seamus comes from something else. It's a reasonable suspicion but not convincing, Seamus should be familiar with the "private message-I know your guilty" tactic, it's been used before. And why on earth would the real detective pm a mafioso and tell him he was guilty?

btw, being vig killed makes me less likely to be guilty, not more.

[shlin28]

btw, being vig killed makes me less likely to be guilty, not more.

How? The mafia can still be killed by a vig, so you still have the same probability of being killed as a townie. So you are not less likely to be guilty.

Plus the vig sounded very... determined to save the town, hardly an example of a pure evil serial killer.

[LittleGrizzly]

Haven't got a clue who to vote for.. there seem to be a few candidates without much to go on... and then everyone else who hasn't really attracted much suspicion and possibly deserves some...

BTW sasaki encouraging lynching of first person to do 3 line vote is a good way to scare people off voting

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How?

The game is still going.


Haven't got a clue who to vote for.. there seem to be a few candidates without much to go on... and then everyone else who hasn't really attracted much suspicion and possibly deserves some...

BTW sasaki encouraging lynching of first person to do 3 line vote is a good way to scare people off voting

I was suggesting the opposite. We wouldn't want people posting just to say " I dunno" would we...

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Seamus

[glyphz]

Emphasis mine. Why the change glyphz?I didn't have a case against either TevashSzat or Atpg, but picked Atpg, after Tevash claimed detective.
Not long after placing my vote (on Atpg), I was contacted by Atpg via PM, asking me to reconsider, and not to dismiss his case.
I decided to give him a chance to defend himself, and changed vote. If changing my vote would put TevashSzat in the lead, I wouldn't have done so. A tie however can be simply overturned by another vote.
I stayed online to keep tab on the thread...
Yes, ask me anything you like and give me more time to present my case. You have nothing to lose in hearing me out.


Ask yourselves this:

Imagine if Seireikhaan is the investigator, and decided to check Shlin28. Lo and behold, it came back scum. Then, he mentioned it in the thread, in a subtle way, and voted Shlin. He wanted to survive as the detective so he didn't reveal.

Then, later, Tevash, under pressure, under threat of death, REVEALS he is the investigator, and clears Shlin28, his mafia buddy.

How convenient.


Will you do me the honor of trusting me, for JUST ONE ROUND.

Talk to me. Ask me to restate simply my case against anyone here.


https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127219&postcount=218

Seireikhaan's final vote.
It won't be that easy, to put more weight on such (Imagine), compared to someone claiming to be the detective. It might be easier to prove TS' innocence, by lynching you and see if TS gets targeted by next night (at which town has nothing to prevent it, I believe).

He will not be targeted! He is the Godfather. EVERY SCUMBAG SHOWED UP TO DEFEND HIM!

If TS isn't dead by 2/3 nights, then undoubtedly there's a good reason to suspect him. Town should still have the #s to lynch him by then.
And if mafia deliberately does not target TS, then they are taking a very big risk.

edit: Also, in case TS is lying. The real detective (in case he's still alive) can still reveal himself later.
Am moving closer to place my vote against you again, Atpg.
Simply put, I wasn't very convinced that TS would be a better lynch that round, and was ready to change my vote back the instant Atpg wasn't the top/tied for lynch candidate

[Seamus Fermanagh]

In this I agree with Shlin, Kojiro-san. Your death -- if we presume a Vig of sorts -- neither clears you of suspicion nor signals your guilt. I have tentatively assigned you townie status thus far because I have seen you doing what seems to be a fairly normal job for you of hammering suspects. You're correct about 'khaan's PM to me. The fact that I knew it was a fishing expedition prompted my response. Even if I weren't a townie, I suspect I'd have responded about the same regardless of what role I had. I did report all the PM stuff for everyone's review, and 'khaan can confirm I haven't altered anything.

Right now, I have concerns with Taka -- for a virtual lack of activity which, as I and others note, is not pro-town in its effect.

I also have concerns with Beefy. He is always around, always in tune with the discussion, and has posted more in this one thread than I think he has in both Capos combined. This is Beefy with 83 posts -- only about 12% behind Sasaki. Folks, this has NOT been his track record. I know he's been more active in mafia this last 6 months, but that's 2.76 ppp!

Of the two, I have been more adamant about lurkers for several posts, so for now I'll

Vote: taka

[TinCow]

Well... er... the write-up said the killer was "avenging" sasaki.

Of course, that could just be an evil mafia ploy.

And yet you were convinced that only the Godfather was left even before this most recent write-up:


That clinches it, Sasaki MUST be scum! :smash:

That means we only got the Godfather left! YEEHAW!

*Fires pistol into the air*

You also seem to be the only person who actually believes anything written in the mafia kill write-ups. This is not something new either:


Note that in the write-up the second killer with a "an apologetic smile on his face." This could suggest that he did not like killing people face to face, but prefer to use traps/force people to commit suicide. Could Ichigo be the mafia and lynched, and then YLC/a henchman commited the murders on N2?


My quick perusal of Sasaki's posts revealed nothing that strikes me as the kind that would lead to serial killer kill. I seem to remember one in Capo where a SK will kill someone if they say they are "innocent", could be something similar here? The killer here is clearly deranged and thinks Sasaki will lead to "doom"... exactly the kind of SK who will kill due to a keyword.

You are also pretty much the only person who continues to refer to the blatant framing attempts in the nightly write-ups. The rest of us have dismissed them for the WIFOM that they are, but you keep mentioning them:


Hmmm... why is the "indirect" killer always using "baby-eating" as a method to force people to eat babies?

Is this an attempt to frame me or Tincow? :inquisitive: (WIFOM I know...)


(Too many of those write-ups hints at me being mafia... when I'm just a powerhungry townie...:wall: )

After re-reading many of your posts, I've noticed that you have a distinct tendency of not committing yourself on any attack against anyone. The only place I've seen you take any kind of firm stand was against ATPG, but that was just self-defense after he attacked you. You've remained almost entirely non-committal the entire game, yet very active. You post as if you're just having fun watching the chaos that is going on. You also make numerous statements about how you are a townie, even when they are unprompted and completely unnecessary.

Let's finish off this post with another appropriate quote from you:


However, it did got me thinking, since there is 3 mafia, its gonna be pretty much definite that the Godfather would attempt to become the CoP (henchmen would be investigated by the detective if one of them became CoP).

Summary:

Non-committal with any argument, except when personally accused.
Cites the mafia kill write-ups as evidence multiple times after they have been dismissed by everyone else.
Refers to own role as "townie" multiple times without prompting.
Was convinced that both grunts were dead after N5, then claims that he thought that because of something in the N6 write-up.


FoS: shlin28

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

The above case by Tincow is certainly something to think about. It is certainly odd how he is making such a big deal of 'but I'm townie, honestly' when under very little pressure. Taka would also seem to be a decent choice, lurking, and given the last game I know that he was in (Chicago Soiree) it is possible that he is trying a similar tactic (am aware of potential WIFOM issues. Quintus still seems a little off to me as well.

Will reserve vote until this afternoon. Be back later.

[seireikhaan]

1) The PM to Seamus was after I died.
2) Seamus altered the PM.(No smiley :mellow:)

3(for seamus)- Are there any actions I took in the first lynching round that would make you inclined to believe somewhere along the lines of the reasoning for which you would theoretically kill me so early?

[Beefy187]

In this I agree with Shlin, Kojiro-san. Your death -- if we presume a Vig of sorts -- neither clears you of suspicion nor signals your guilt. I have tentatively assigned you townie status thus far because I have seen you doing what seems to be a fairly normal job for you of hammering suspects. You're correct about 'khaan's PM to me. The fact that I knew it was a fishing expedition prompted my response. Even if I weren't a townie, I suspect I'd have responded about the same regardless of what role I had. I did report all the PM stuff for everyone's review, and 'khaan can confirm I haven't altered anything.

Right now, I have concerns with Taka -- for a virtual lack of activity which, as I and others note, is not pro-town in its effect.

I also have concerns with Beefy. He is always around, always in tune with the discussion, and has posted more in this one thread than I think he has in both Capos combined. This is Beefy with 83 posts -- only about 12% behind Sasaki. Folks, this has NOT been his track record. I know he's been more active in mafia this last 6 months, but that's 2.76 ppp!

Of the two, I have been more adamant about lurkers for several posts, so for now I'll

Vote: taka

To be fair, I died reasonably early on both capo. And speed of discussion on Capo was way too fast for me.. Also I had high school when Capo took place.

As my high school finished, the only hobby I have besides studying is the Org, few other sites mainly sports news and ORG. This explains the sudden boost of my post. Also, I was asked to post more to avoid ATPG double posting.

I cannot and will not vote for taka just yet as a part of our mutual trust treaty. Him being a lurker is soo suspecious but I have taka guilt sensor and when he is guilty I should notice it..

As Tevash was 80 percent scum, why don't we look for the peoples who he called to be innocent? Or do you guys think, he would avoid investigating peoples in his crew?

[Chaotix]

Vote: Reenk

I'll continue voting for him for all of his scummy posts back during the ATPG-Tevash tiebreaker.

[pevergreen]

Shlin, stop reading into the write ups. Its often a dead end, even when it isnt it is hardly ever helpful.

Ares and Shlin are still the top of my to-lynch list, but I can't actually field any substantial evidence.

LG, I'd like to see you put a vote down.

Vote: taka

Come out, come out wherever you are.

[Reenk Roink]

This is worth a shot:

I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus. :bow:

[naut]

This is worth a shot:

I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus. :bow:
Listen to him people. Either vote Seamus or someone serious, like Reenk himself. And stop voting for lurkers, there are better lynches out there. If the game is still going later, then lynch the lurkers.

[LittleGrizzly]

Ok im still very unsure on my vote, but for the moment i will Vote Seamus for the reasons that have already been listed, theres a few others im unsure on... but i think the others are more down to gut instinct rather than any evidence... and my gut instinct was possibly a little off with Jolt, so ill stick with this vote for now...

[taka]

Shlin, stop reading into the write ups. Its often a dead end, even when it isnt it is hardly ever helpful.

Ares and Shlin are still the top of my to-lynch list, but I can't actually field any substantial evidence.

LG, I'd like to see you put a vote down.

Vote: taka

Come out, come out wherever you are.

Boo. im here :yes:

first thing i'll admit is that im no good at keeping up with the big games, seems smaller games fit me better - theres kinda too much to read in a big game which i havent read through (as i mentioned to beefy)

looking back at some of the more recent posts, i think that Tincow has made quite a few reasonable points about shlin. even though he is our CoP, i find him highly suspicious that i dont think he's actually contributed to helping town much at all considering his position.

for now i'll hear to reenk's plea and

vote: Seamus

but next round, unless something drastic happens, im gonna vote shlin.

[White_eyes:D]

This is worth a shot:

I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus. :bow:

Reenk....you must give more then that.....:stare:
hmmmm....could tie it I guess...Vote:Seamus
and where are the other guys...are we not missing four votes???:whip:

[pevergreen]

I still think of Reenk as Loki, so no thanks, not just yet.

[White_eyes:D]

I still think of Reenk as Loki, so no thanks, not just yet.

Loki was good in Midgard 2:juggle2:.....and the whole PMing role fishing Khaan getting knocked off is weird.....:dizzy2:

[Andres]

But khaan didn't have a guilty result on seamus--else he'd have voted him. Khaan's reasoning on Seamus comes from something else. It's a reasonable suspicion but not convincing, Seamus should be familiar with the "private message-I know your guilty" tactic, it's been used before. And why on earth would the real detective pm a mafioso and tell him he was guilty?

The Godfather comes up as innocent...


btw, being vig killed makes me less likely to be guilty, not more.

No, it doesn't.


1) The PM to Seamus was after I died.
2) Seamus altered the PM.(No smiley :mellow:)

3(for seamus)- Are there any actions I took in the first lynching round that would make you inclined to believe somewhere along the lines of the reasoning for which you would theoretically kill me so early?

Do the rules allow private communication after dead?

[Beefy187]

I really don't see the reason of lynching Seamus.

Taka will be my vote, but he will not get my vote until we are down to 10.

ATPG, give me 10 reason why I should vote for Seamus.. Gogogogo!!:smash:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Gah! Just had a long post almost finished and internet died on me.

Gist of it here.

I'm disappointed in the number of people supporting Reenk without questioning anything.

Courteous Vote: Reenk Roink in protest. I'd like to here some reasoning.

Tincow makes a very good point regarding Shlin.

Killer seemed to have a grudge. Seems to think he is avenging Sasaki. Boombox guy killing Unicyclist?

Thats all for now, back tomorrow.

[Quintus.JC]

Since we can reasonably conclude that Tevash and ATPG are both not mafia

Tevash's attempted reveal as detective probably means he's got a role, I am inclined to think of him as a mafia because he failed back up with a PM and if he was town then he had no reason to lie to the rest of town. Despite self-preservation lying to the town about being a detective is one step too far for a simple townie.

Could Shlin be the godfather? I know Shlin has most definitely been investigated in this game, but godfather shows up as innocent and I’m starting to suspect Shlin…

[GeneralHankerchief]

No rules have been broken.

[TinCow]

Tevash's attempted reveal as detective probably means he's got a role, I am inclined to think of him as a mafia because he failed back up with a PM and if he was town then he had no reason to lie to the rest of town.

I agree that Tevash was likely mafia. For a while, I thought his lack of response was simply due to inactivity or RL issues. However, I just checked and he was online yesterday. If Tevash was the real detective, he almost certainly would have posted in here berating us for being idiots. His silence after that detective reveal and lynching seems to be a pretty strong suggestion of his guilt.

shlin has some interesting behavior when Tevash suddenly became vulnerable. He had a total of (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2135300&postcount=697) three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2135663&postcount=716) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2136572&postcount=791) between ATPG's 'Skynet' mega-post and when the heat got seriously turned up on Tevash. All of them were either jovial/joking in nature or completely lacking in serious analysis, which is consistent with shlin's previous play style. However, once Tevash's lynch starts looking more likely, he suddenly drops the silliness and gets serious with actual arguments, which is inconsistent with his general lackadaisical participation in the game. First (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137425&postcount=876), he proposes sparing Tevash for a round. Shortly after this, Tevash claims he is the detective. shlin's response (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137599&postcount=888) to this is to spare Tevash and look to see if he gets killed by mafia as proof of his innocence. Note that instead of asking for more evidence from Tevash, he focuses the 'proof' of Tevash's claim exclusively on the mafia killing or not killing him in the future. This is then followed up with serious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137760&postcount=905) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137768&postcount=910) with decent reasoning. He then makes no (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137799&postcount=921) jokes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137803&postcount=925) at all while waiting to find out Tevash's fate. After ATPG's lynch, shlin then put a (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138357&postcount=962) decent (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138373&postcount=965) amount (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138378&postcount=967) of (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138389&postcount=969) effort (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138395&postcount=971) into (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138403&postcount=973) explaining (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138450&postcount=987) why (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138711&postcount=1009) ATPG was a better lynch than Tevash, even though the issue was already decided.

After the following night phase, despite Tevash not getting killed by the mafia (which shlin had previously theorized would be proof of his guilt), shlin discourages (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138956&postcount=1026) a lynching of Tevash. He then provides excuses (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138971&postcount=1028) about why Tevash hasn't replied yet, followed by posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139795&postcount=1088) which (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139799&postcount=1089) defend (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139828&postcount=1097) Tevash (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139832&postcount=1100).

So, up until this point, shlin has gone out of his way to defend Tevash. He stopped posting in a silly/joking manner and put forth effort on actual debate and analysis. He spends a very long period of time specifically giving Tevash every opportunity he can think of, and even when he acknowledges that Tevash might have some scumminess about him, he encourages that he not be lynched and that the town wait for the mafia's actions to prove whether Tevash is guilty or not. And then, when the votes start piling up on Tevash...

shlin makes a complete 180 degree turn and goes for Tevash's throat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139938&postcount=1106). Voting is then closed with Tevash in the lead, and shlin chooses that moment, before the lynch write-up is even complete, to claim (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2140240&postcount=1116) that both the grunts are dead and that only the Godfather is left.

Where does he go after this? Why, back to his non-analystical (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141487&postcount=1157) and joking (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141497&postcount=1161) posting style, of course. He then reminds us again (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141519&postcount=1164) that both grunts are dead and claims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141532&postcount=1167) this is due to a write-up which occurred AFTER he stated this the first time.

[Andres]

Standard dead/PM rules apply.

GeneralHankerchief, are the dead allowed to communicate with the living through pm about this game?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Check your inbox.

[naut]

Excellent post TC.

[Andres]

Unvote : taka
Vote : shlin28

shlin28 indeed seems like a better option than taka for the moment.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Shlin

the lurkers can wait...

[taka]

Unvote : taka
Vote : shlin28

shlin28 indeed seems like a better option than taka for the moment.

a change to shlin after receiving a pm from the host? did you get a hint or something? care to share?

[Andres]

a change to shlin after receiving a pm from the host? did you get a hint or something? care to share?

I changed my vote to shlin28 based on the excellent post made by TinCow.

GH just assured me that there were no game rules broken by seireikhaan because he acted with permission from the host.

In other words, my vote switch is unrelated to the PM I received from the General.

[shlin28]

Wow...

(Note: The response has not been proofread... read on at your peril! :skull:)
It seems that I am being very very very suspicious right now for these reasons:

1. Unsually number of post counts - normally an indicator of me having a role.
2. Vigorous defence of Tevash and the eventual "DEATH TO TEVASH!" moment.
3. "Attempting" to "convince" the town that we are down to one Godfather.
4. Lack of serious contribution apart from the aforementioned Point 2.

My answers to all four of them:

1. I like being the CoP, which gives me a sense of higher purpose than a bogstandard townie. In games where I just have a townie PM and nothing else I tend to get bored and relapse into my non-serious mode. In here, I try to be more active. In any case, most of the post is made because of Point 2 (see below)

2. I defended Tevash mainly because A: I dislike the town being led by one person and the majority follows the said townie (unless they have a game role that allows them to do so) and B: I thought ATPG's deduction was flawed.

In practically all of the games featuring both me and ATPG I have stood against his system of reasoning (See "The Lunar Whale", "Teddy Snatcher", "Whispers in the Night" etc), mainly because I was accused by it, a lot. And in all of these cases I was innocent despite his system branding me guilty, so this gives me cause to believe that ATPG' system is not always right. Furthermore, in "Whispers of the Night" I was accused of being mafia, when I was the detective - this led to doubts regarding whether SkyNet can detect whether one is a pro-town role or mafia. So when Tevash was accused of showing signs of scumminess, I took a leap of logic and thought that Tevash could be a detective, hence my defence of Tevash. Anyway, why couldn't I defend Tevash? Note that Sasaki and RR did too... is there anything preventing one townie to help defending another townie because the first townie believes that the second townie is not exhibiting the classic signs of mafianess?

My complete "aboutturn" on the Tevash issue can explained quite easily - He was active during the discussion on his lynch, yet did not respond in anyway. In any case, as NOBODY ELSE has mentioned BTW, at that point it occured to me that Ignoramus* had quite a big chance of being the detective (see the post where I quoted his posts). More troubling however, is that people seem to think just because I supported Tevash for one and a half phases I must support him all the way to the end?

* Now I am thinking more along the line that Ignoramus is the unicycle killer - if he was the detective he would have counter revealed. On the night he decided to kill, the mafia also conveniently concluded that Igno MUST be the detective due to his lurkiness.

3. I did not try to "convince" others of it, I was just stating my personal opinions, which are not infallible - never did I say "The write-up says this, it must be truez!", whenever I stated something from the write-uo (exluding posts from yesterday), I always included a tiny snippet explaining my doubts. Yesterday's post was an exception, mainly because I had reverted to my non-serious mode after a high activity phase, and became vague and annoying.

Also, Tincow I believe had misinterepreted the meaning of Post 1116 (I think) where I "accused" Sasaki of being mafia. This is not the case. Certainly, the write-up SUGGESTED that Sasaki was a member of the mafia group, but I was never sure. Post 1116 was a reply to this post https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2140233&postcount=1114. Here Sasaki produced a detective role PM - in my non-serious mood at the time, I said Sasaki must be guilty, due to his preparations and "backup" role PMs. However, because there was a post between Sasaki's post and mine, the meanings of my post became... er... confused.

4. If there is something really concerning me/really interesting, I tend make short posts and be in my jokey mode. But if there is really something important, I will make contributions. Can't really change that...

So if you are going to lynch me, lynch me on the basis of Point 4. But I assure you, if I am lynched, not only will you lose a most talented lynch-management-guy, the game will also continue, because I am not mafia, not a henchman, and certainly not a Godfather...just a normal townie.Thank you for your time for reading my insane rant. :bow:

[TinCow]

1. I like being the CoP, which gives me a sense of higher purpose than a bogstandard townie. In games where I just have a townie PM and nothing else I tend to get bored and relapse into my non-serious mode. In here, I try to be more active. In any case, most of the post is made because of Point 2 (see below)

I made no comment on your level of activity, only your posting style.


2. Anyway, why couldn't I defend Tevash? Note that Sasaki and RR did too... is there anything preventing one townie to help defending another townie because the first townie believes that the second townie is not exhibiting the classic signs of mafianess?

Your defense of Tevash is not unusual. Indeed, I specifically stated that you provided some good analysis for him. What I find suspicious is that you completely changed your normal posting style to defend him. It is this change in your behavior that is strange, not your defense of Tevash.


My complete "aboutturn" on the Tevash issue can explained quite easily - He was active during the discussion on his lynch, yet did not respond in anyway. In any case, as NOBODY ELSE has mentioned BTW, at that point it occured to me that Ignoramus* had quite a big chance of being the detective (see the post where I quoted his posts). More troubling however, is that people seem to think just because I supported Tevash for one and a half phases I must support him all the way to the end?

The problem is that your about face is very inconsistent with your previous statements. You were one of Tevash's leading defenders, even defending him before he revealed as a detective. You continued to defend him in pretty much all of your posts, well into the phase when he eventually got lynched. You were even the person who emphasized that he might not have replied because of his time zone. While your reason for your change of mind is reasonable, it is simply inconsistent with your actions over the previous few days. It stinks of a mafioso attempting to make himself look innocent when he decides his partner is about to get lynched.


3. I did not try to "convince" others of it, I was just stating my personal opinions, which are not infallible - never did I say "The write-up says this, it must be truez!", whenever I stated something from the write-uo (exluding posts from yesterday), I always included a tiny snippet explaining my doubts. Yesterday's post was an exception, mainly because I had reverted to my non-serious mode after a high activity phase, and became vague and annoying.

I did not say you were trying to convince others that only the Godfather was left. What I said was that you seemed convinced that only the Godfather was left. The way you worded your posts indicates that you personally actually did believe that both grunts had been eliminated. As far as I can tell, there was no way to know that, especially not with the degree of certainty that seemed to be emanating from you.


Also, Tincow I believe had misinterepreted the meaning of Post 1116 (I think) where I "accused" Sasaki of being mafia. This is not the case. Certainly, the write-up SUGGESTED that Sasaki was a member of the mafia group, but I was never sure. Post 1116 was a reply to this post https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2140233&postcount=1114. Here Sasaki produced a detective role PM - in my non-serious mood at the time, I said Sasaki must be guilty, due to his preparations and "backup" role PMs. However, because there was a post between Sasaki's post and mine, the meanings of my post became... er... confused.

There was no misinterpretation, because I've never commented on your statements about Sasaki. My references to that post are about your claim that only the Godfather was still alive. It's obvious that your statement about Sasaki was a joke, so I've ignored that.


But I assure you, if I am lynched, not only will you lose a most talented lynch-management-guy, the game will also continue, because I am not mafia, not a henchman, and certainly not a Godfather...just a normal townie.

Thanks for reminding (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2128210&postcount=279) us (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2129240&postcount=331) of (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2135300&postcount=697) that (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137751&postcount=898) again (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141497&postcount=1161).

Would you also like to comment on my earlier points about how you continue to try and use mafia-written kill write-ups as evidence?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tally as of post #1203

Seamus = 4 (Grizz, Reenk, Taka, WE)
Reenk = 2 (C27, GSC)
Shlin = 2 (Andres, QJC)
Taka = 2 (Seamus, pever')

NV = 3 (Beefy, Ares, Glyphz)


I am clearly the best lynch target this round because I am participating but haven't yet produced an iron-clad analysis identifying the godfather. The ONLY possible explanation is that I am the godfather. :inquisitive: Poppycock. In fact, I suspect that one or more of those voting for me are well aware that that's arrant nonsense -- but then again that "one or more" have their own reasons to vote for me, don't they?


Reenk says kill him, I have a hunch, so I am to be killed?!?! He doesn't even have Aggonyduck's reputation for hunches behind him to support that kind of malf. To lynch me for that reason is, essentially, to lynch me because "He's known and not murdered yet, so he must be mafia." If that's your level of analysis, then you can skip the rest of this post because you've already decided to kill me regardless of any content or deeper reasoning.


'khaan, murdered early, thinks I altered the PM so that's proof of my guilt? Hello, I already noted that (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141065&postcount=1141) when I cut and pasted. As for what was unique, you were, prior to this round, the only person to have lodged a vote to lynch Shlin. If I as GF or grunt #2, knew Shlin to be mafioso grunt, than I would have had to presume you had investigated Shlin and therefore had to wipe you out immediately, hoping that you would not make an immediate reveal in favor of trying to get two mafiosi (voting shlin being the way to get others to vote for him, build up pressure, and try to find the GF or the other grunt by figuring who was orchestrating some defense/distraction). In that scenario, I would hope to silence you before you could reveal your results and thus also prevent a likely detective assessment of me in the next few rounds. If you were the detective, that would be about what happened -- only I didn't do it. If you are a murdered detective, you're putting a lot of effort into killing an innocent generic townie. Assess carefully who's been interacting with you to encourage that misfocus.


taka voting for me at the time he did was simple self-preservation. Nothing surprising there, and would be the response of an innocent townie OR lurking mafioso. At least he's posting a bit more than the vote....


White_Eyes has been voting almost in lock step with Reenk since the outset of the game. Of the 5 lynch votes where they both voted, 4 have been exactly the same. Only in the round where Winter was lynched did they vote separately. Moreover, you have kept your vote on me, TWICE, after stating that you thought it likely I was pro-town and even after I asked you to shift it. Reenk's 3-4 sentences asserting his hunch are THAT compelling.:inquisitive: Exactly what did you get from Reenk when he bought you?


Well, it appears pretty clear that this town will not pressure taka any more than it has, at least for this round. He will be allowed to continue his lurk because you judge him to not be much threat. Since the worry -- aside from me -- seems to center on Shlin, I'll join with and

Unvote: taka; Vote: Shlin

and then see what develops.

Tally as of post #1205 inc.

Seamus = 4 (Grizz, Reenk, Taka, WE)

Shlin = 3 (Andres, QJC, Seamus)
Reenk = 2 (C27, GSC)
Taka = 1 (pever')

NV = 3 (Beefy, Ares, Glyphz)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hm, interesting lynch possibilities as of the current tally. This may be the second time I'll have to lynch somebody on their birthday. And the first time, it turns out I miscounted the tally.

In other words, happy birthday, Seamus! :medievalcheers:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, happy birthday Seamus...PREPARE TO DIE!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[TinCow]

:thumbsdown:

[shlin28]

Would you also like to comment on my earlier points about how you continue to try and use mafia-written kill write-ups as evidence?

I don't think I meant it at the time... I think I was just trying to say what the write-up could be hinting at... They shouldn't be discounted completely right?


I did not say you were trying to convince others that only the Godfather was left. What I said was that you seemed convinced that only the Godfather was left. The way you worded your posts indicates that you personally actually did believe that both grunts had been eliminated. As far as I can tell, there was no way to know that, especially not with the degree of certainty that seemed to be emanating from you.

I was "certain"? :dizzy2: I don't think that was my intention. (Note to self: Make sure I get EXACTLY what I think into my posts...)

Apart from that, I got nothing. If you guys really want to lynch me, I don't mind. I certainly feel I havn't pulled my weight in this game. :sweatdrop:

Edit: Doesn't matter... just lynch me next round...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Mafiosi:

Kudos, well-played. :bow:


Town:

As a lynched, and therefore not entirely trustworthy, player, I will attempt to restrict my posts in this thread to a recitation of confirmable facts for evaluation, providing a minimum of analysis so as not to sway anyone (at least, I'll try for neutrality as much as possible). And rest assured, the game is nowhere near over yet.


GH:

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I am continuing my unbroken streak as a dead townie. I have, quite literally, never survived in a winning townie effort the entirety of my 3 years of mafia play. I am really starting to feel about that as Ultrawar did about his first round murders. AAAAARGH!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, to be fair, there haven't been that many winning townie efforts recently.

[Csargo]

Happy Birthday Seamus

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The case on shlin is well thought out but I'm not feeling it in my gut...hard to say. The town is kind of hacking away randomly at this point.

[seireikhaan]

Seamus- I thought it was clear that I was not being serious when I posted that you altered the smilies out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Day 7

Today was Seamus Fermanagh's birthday. Upon informing the citizens of the Gameroom of this fact early on in the voting, everybody stopped what they were doing and threw an impromptu party for one of the town's finest residents. It was a nice little break from the frightening monotony of "witness death, face execution, repeat." Everyone had a merry time, forgetting about their fears, if only for a little while.

As the voting phase dragged on (without the Chief of Police present), so did the party. Presents were exchanged, most of them promises that would be honored should they "ever get through this". Somehow, one of the villagers even managed to get their hands on a cake that even had "Happy Birthday Seamus" written in fancy script with icing.

Seamus, honored, cut up the cake and divvied it up between the remaining villagers, saving the biggest slice for himself. What the hey, the chances were good that he was going to die the next couple of days, why not live a little? Later, someone brought back a large case of beer, probably nicked from the Elephant and Cannon Pub.

Merrily, the villagers indulged themselves, and eventually they all started to slur their voices and indulge some deep secrets. It was not uncommon to hear phrases like "You're my besht friend" and "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" choruses aimed at Seamus that day. The merrymaking continued for a few more hours, and many of the villagers had the best time they had in months, yet alone since the Mafia had began killing everybody.

Eventually, Chief of Police shlin28, looking tanner and satisfied, returned, perplexed at the scene.

"Wait, you people were having a party and no one invited me??!?!" Everybody was silent for a few seconds, and then they all burst out laughing, including shlin. After the laughter died down, the Chief of Police asked everybody if they had come to a decision.

"GUILTY!" a plurality of villagers shouted in unison, pointing their fingers at the birthday boy.

"Oh, *#%!", Seamus muttered, and trudged up to the execution platform. The party was over. Along the way, he continued muttering to himself, and then eventually lashed out at the villagers, calling them all fools, protesting his innocence. Eventually shlin had to intervene as he took hold of Seamus and dragged him forcefully the rest of the way.

"Well, at least there'll be fireworks for the party," shlin said to a thoroughly-depressed Seamus as he shoved him into the cannon. "Too bad it'll be you. Happy Birthday, Seamus," he said, grinning, as he stepped back and lit the match.

"All right, everybody," shlin said, addressing the crowd. "Three... two... one..."

BOOM!

Everybody cheered as Seamus Fermanagh, the day's final festivity, was spectacularly launched into the night, shooting far and wide, and eventually out of everybody's sight. The next town over, in his office, Vincenzo stood up with a start as a charred figure crashed through his window. Recognizing the body as Seamus's, he raised one eyebrow.

Day 7 tally:

Seamus Fermanagh: 4 (Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, taka, White_eyes:D) :skull:
shlin28: 3 (Andres, Quintus.JC, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Chaotix27, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
taka: 1 (pevergreen)

Abstained: 3 (shlin28, glyphz, Beefy187)
Didn't vote: 1 (777Ares777)

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (13)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh

[Seamus Fermanagh]

At least it was with a bang, and not a whimper. :laugh4:

[Quintus.JC]

Executed on his birthday. :no:

Happy birthday BTW Seamus :skull: ~;)

[taka]

happy birthday Seamus! sorry for contributing to your death :P

However I must note that I dont think Shlin is the GF - look at the write up:

Shlin is in town lynching Seamus, whilst Vincenzo is in his office.

wasnt expecting a clue like that from the writeup at all :S

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vincenzo isn't the godfather--although why he would recognize Seamus is unclear.

[Reenk Roink]

Skimmed the thread, read Seamus's long post, and have some replies.

Seamus:

I dislike the term hunch. I prefer to call it direct esoteric knowledge that surpasses systems of logic and reasoning, language, and sense perception. :laugh4: :yes: Rest assured that you were not voted for by me because of reputation: I don't understand why you would knock reputation when you suggest that it is a reason why you are receiving votes and then go on and claim my hunch doesn't have reputation backing it. :rolleyes4: Sigurd claimed this reason before too, and again it was not true. I agree that it probably play a part in some peoples mind (in some cases mine as well), but you all know how I have notably been a victim of reputation. Also, I do believe that the differences between players is minimal. Also, on the issue of being known, recently I haven't played with "older" people like you and Sigurd much at all when compared with "newer" players like taka.

On khaan, I don't know the particulars of his case against you and will not comment on its value (though my not reading it may correctly suggest that I am not too fond of it - if it's not plainly apparent I am eschewing other people's analytical attempts at solving this case this game - feeling out another playstyle - if it appears I am using analytical methods myself, rest assured they are either ploys to articulate to the town in a manner more palatable to them or refutations of other analysis's for the same reason).

On White_eyes:D I have no idea why he and I have voted together so much together, but he and I are in no way associated this game.

[Andres]

Happy Birthday Seamus :skull:

:birthday2:

[Beefy187]

Happy Birthday Seamus!! :balloon2:

If I knew it was your birthday I would've tied the vote :shame:

I hope you have a excellent day anyway:2thumbsup:

[Chaotix]

What a wasted lynch... :sad:

The only potentially useful thing to come out of this is this line:


The next town over, in his office, Vincenzo stood up with a start as a charred figure crashed through his window. Recognizing the body as Seamus's, he raised one eyebrow.

Although I'm unsure how to interpret it. Could Seamus have been mafia all along?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It doesn't seem like GH to give away that the game was over like that. So I'd assume it's not.

[Beefy187]

Ignore me.. That theory was completely useless and not much thoughts were put into it..

[White_eyes:D]

On White_eyes:D I have no idea why he and I have voted together so much together, but he and I are in no way associated this game.

Seamus:OUCH.....lynched on your birthday....Happy birthday:balloon2::balloon:?

Reenk: You remind me of Joker off Dark Knight:clown:......you pretend to live in a moment and then BAM!! you play with them....until you kill them....Hell, I think on Dark Vacuum you are playing town there if you don't mind....I helped vote Seamus because why would you plead with town when you had no fact's? no evidence to even back you up? no real logic?.....that's where the Reenk factor comes in....and as far as I am concerned....not a good one to carry to far....:thumbsdown:

[White_eyes:D]

White_Eyes has been voting almost in lock step with Reenk since the outset of the game. Of the 5 lynch votes where they both voted, 4 have been exactly the same. Only in the round where Winter was lynched did they vote separately. Moreover, you have kept your vote on me, TWICE, after stating that you thought it likely I was pro-town and even after I asked you to shift it. Reenk's 3-4 sentences asserting his hunch are THAT compelling. Exactly what did you get from Reenk when he bought you? nothing.....:juggle2: I was sleeping over-wise I would have taken the vote off you....but because of this
Vincenzo stood up with a start as a charred figure crashed through his window. Recognizing the body as Seamus's, he raised one eyebrow. I feel I keep it on you for a good reason.....though....does it mean Mafia or a secret role? in any case....your outta here.....:smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I agree that Tevash was likely mafia. For a while, I thought his lack of response was simply due to inactivity or RL issues. However, I just checked and he was online yesterday. If Tevash was the real detective, he almost certainly would have posted in here berating us for being idiots. His silence after that detective reveal and lynching seems to be a pretty strong suggestion of his guilt.

shlin has some interesting behavior when Tevash suddenly became vulnerable. He had a total of (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2135300&postcount=697) three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2135663&postcount=716) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2136572&postcount=791) between ATPG's 'Skynet' mega-post and when the heat got seriously turned up on Tevash. All of them were either jovial/joking in nature or completely lacking in serious analysis, which is consistent with shlin's previous play style. However, once Tevash's lynch starts looking more likely, he suddenly drops the silliness and gets serious with actual arguments, which is inconsistent with his general lackadaisical participation in the game. First (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137425&postcount=876), he proposes sparing Tevash for a round. Shortly after this, Tevash claims he is the detective. shlin's response (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137599&postcount=888) to this is to spare Tevash and look to see if he gets killed by mafia as proof of his innocence. Note that instead of asking for more evidence from Tevash, he focuses the 'proof' of Tevash's claim exclusively on the mafia killing or not killing him in the future. This is then followed up with serious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137760&postcount=905) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137768&postcount=910) with decent reasoning. He then makes no (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137799&postcount=921) jokes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137803&postcount=925) at all while waiting to find out Tevash's fate. After ATPG's lynch, shlin then put a (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138357&postcount=962) decent (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138373&postcount=965) amount (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138378&postcount=967) of (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138389&postcount=969) effort (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138395&postcount=971) into (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138403&postcount=973) explaining (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138450&postcount=987) why (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138711&postcount=1009) ATPG was a better lynch than Tevash, even though the issue was already decided.

After the following night phase, despite Tevash not getting killed by the mafia (which shlin had previously theorized would be proof of his guilt), shlin discourages (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138956&postcount=1026) a lynching of Tevash. He then provides excuses (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2138971&postcount=1028) about why Tevash hasn't replied yet, followed by posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139795&postcount=1088) which (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139799&postcount=1089) defend (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139828&postcount=1097) Tevash (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139832&postcount=1100).

So, up until this point, shlin has gone out of his way to defend Tevash. He stopped posting in a silly/joking manner and put forth effort on actual debate and analysis. He spends a very long period of time specifically giving Tevash every opportunity he can think of, and even when he acknowledges that Tevash might have some scumminess about him, he encourages that he not be lynched and that the town wait for the mafia's actions to prove whether Tevash is guilty or not. And then, when the votes start piling up on Tevash...

shlin makes a complete 180 degree turn and goes for Tevash's throat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139938&postcount=1106). Voting is then closed with Tevash in the lead, and shlin chooses that moment, before the lynch write-up is even complete, to claim (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2140240&postcount=1116) that both the grunts are dead and that only the Godfather is left.

Where does he go after this? Why, back to his non-analystical (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141487&postcount=1157) and joking (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141497&postcount=1161) posting style, of course. He then reminds us again (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141519&postcount=1164) that both grunts are dead and claims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141532&postcount=1167) this is due to a write-up which occurred AFTER he stated this the first time.

D'oh!

Curses and Drat. I still believe TevashSzat was a mafia, given his sudden drop off of the face of the thread while he was still active in the forum.

Where we go from here: I'd look at shlin's scummy defense of TevashSzat several pages back, where I was a bit too energetic and I spoilered most of my case because I thought the case was good but the attitude wasn't, and I didn't want to do a re-write, because that's scummy.


You don't defend people you don't know are innocent. That's not good townie play. You can suggest that they are innocent, but don't stick your neck out for them. That's my opinion on 99% of the cases. Don't argue their defense for them.



Time for a new Chief of Police. This one is more concerned with staying alive and defending suspicious characters than finding mafia.


EDIT:

Possible candidate for Chief of Police:

Someone who has been suicidal with his life. YLC, who is no longer with us. Therefore: Pevergreen.

However, some of you find my interactions with YLC scummy, which is silly. YLC would have to have been the Godfather. And if you think after all that, YLC is the Godfather, I simply don't know what Occam's Razor means to you.
:clown:
So, other candidates: Taka
Frankly, anyone who lurks this much and has been threatened to be lynched for it, posted no defense and seemingly allows it to happen, ain't no Godfather. But! If you're too scared, let's offer another one:

(Remember, the nominee must be someone who logically speaking cannot be the Godfather)

I was thinking White_Eyes, but it's a little risky. What if he were the Godfather lynching his own subordinate, Lord Winter?

The others I cannot fully, comprehensively clear. But I would be inclined to trust Andres... he hasn't been controlling the game and he never triggered my scum alarms.

I'd suggest Beefy187... but... to be honest, he's due. He's due to be a mafia and show us all how awesome he really, really is. As such, I don't want to risk it.

Quintus.JC and Chaotix27... I feel they are innocent. But you know, the Godfather would easily slip past my detection if they supported me over TevashSzat. Last ditch effort to help themselves win. That said, I don't feel they are guilty.

I'm sorry, but YLC is the best choice. Pevergreen is the replacement, he suicided as the Godfather? Nope. Never gonna happen. He voted himself and got himself nearly lynched and kept his vote on himself? Nope. Never gonna happen.





Nominate: YLC/pevergreen as new Chief of Police. Sorry, Shlin... you had a good run, no hard feelings, I believe you needed to work harder at catching suspects and less harder on defending people you couldn't know were innocent.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Merged the two posts. :whip:

Double posting is a nasty habit, Pizzaman.

[CountArach]

Possible candidate for Chief of Police:

Someone who has been suicidal with his life. YLC, who is no longer with us. Therefore: Pevergreen.

However, some of you find my interactions with YLC scummy, which is silly. YLC would have to have been the Godfather. And if you think after all that, YLC is the Godfather, I simply don't know what Occam's Razor means to you.

So, other candidates: Taka
Frankly, anyone who lurks this much and has been threatened to be lynched for it, posted no defense and seemingly allows it to happen, ain't no Godfather. But! If you're too scared, let's offer another one:

(Remember, the nominee must be someone who logically speaking cannot be the Godfather)

I was thinking White_Eyes, but it's a little risky. What if he were the Godfather lynching his own subordinate, Lord Winter?

The others I cannot fully, comprehensively clear. But I would be inclined to trust Andres... he hasn't been controlling the game and he never triggered my scum alarms.

I'd suggest Beefy187... but... to be honest, he's due. He's due to be a mafia and show us all how awesome he really, really is. As such, I don't want to risk it.

Quintus.JC and Chaotix27... I feel they are innocent. But you know, the Godfather would easily slip past my detection if they supported me over TevashSzat. Last ditch effort to help themselves win. That said, I don't feel they are guilty.

I'm sorry, but YLC is the best choice. Pevergreen is the replacement, he suicided as the Godfather? Nope. Never gonna happen. He voted himself and got himself nearly lynched and kept his vote on himself? Nope. Never gonna happen.





Nominate: YLC/Pevergreen as new Chief of Police. Sorry, Shlin... you had a good run, no hard feelings, I believe you needed to work harder at catching suspects and less harder on defending people you couldn't know were innocent.
My name is CountArach and I approve this message.

[Askthepizzaguy]

777Ares777
Last Activity: 02-16-2009 02:22


This doesn't fully clear him, as he could have sent the murder via email. But seriously, Ares never triggered my scum alarms, and since he seemingly wasn't here during the murder...

I think we can risk it. What do you say? If YLC/Pevergreen makes you too scared, 777Ares777 would also make for a 95% chance of innocence player.

Nominate: 777Ares777, but only if you reject YLC as a candidate. I still feel he's a better choice.

[pevergreen]

In the name of YLCevergreen we agree or whatever.

lewl.

Seriously though. Its pevergreen. No capital.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you wish. pevergreen it is, my friend.

My thoughts since I found out the game had continued, and Tevash wasnt the Godfather:

I do have a house of cards built on Lord Winter's death... if he weren't a mafia henchman, we're in serious trouble. But his scummy behavior before he died and afterward... he showed up only to say "see? I wasn't a mafia after all?" which was a total lie as there's only 1 murder per night again, and I'm reasonably certain Sasaki got Vigilante'd not murdered, guilty or innocent.

Lord Winter: After I compelled him to produce suspects under pressure, he kind of sputtered, tossed out a few names, and gave no real case. Then he fled the scene like a frightened chihuahua engulfed in flames. He hasn't been back since, and he isn't helping at all.

TevashSzat: Scummy detective reveal after I predicted he'd reveal, and after I suggested I might let him live a couple more rounds if he had a role. I can dig out the links if you want. Hasn't helped us solve the case, his primary role has been to defend himself.

Sasaki: Could the mafia recruit another henchman after the first one died? Twisty, twisty? I don't trust him. He's far, far too devious and I don't get the vibe that he's legitimately helping us. Plus he might have been investigated or something, the vigilante/unicyclist seemed sure he was mafia.

shlin28: defended TevashSzat up and down... gave excuses for not being here to argue with me... dropped out for less than 20 mins to "eat breakfast" and then scurried out of here when I cranked up the heat, saying he'd be back in 3-4 hours. No reason given. He triggered my scum alarms and hasn't been helping us find suspects, and seems to only be concerned with his own life, and defending scummy people for them. Bad, bad CoP, IMO. Again, no hard feelings shlin.

[Reenk Roink]

I will fight tooth and nail to keep shlin where he is (for the moment). :bow:

I'll give more of my thoughts after the kills but unless some good lead comes, I will be going after Chaotix and Gaius as they are threats to me and must be killed. Hopefully the Mafia makes it easier for me and takes out one or both (Lord knows you haven't done a good job helping yourselves so you might as well help me and the town :laugh4:). :yes:

Also, I do have a feeling about Chaotix for awhile now so even if he wasn't going after me he would be my target after Seamus.

To make an actual case: look at how he has slowly been trying to put suspicion on me throughout the game. I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you. After all, Reenk is always a good lynch right? :shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think destroying all your enemies is a legitimate townie strategy, Reenkster. In spite of a difference in philosophy, it's just going to bring heat on you, and what if we lynched you instead of someone else, if you're innocent, that means we wouldn't be lynching the Godfather.

What you're saying Reenks of paranoia and untownie behavior. I also note that you're here at night; sending in your murders, are we?

:no:


I can't be sure you're a better candidate than Shlin, but you're actively changing my mind.


EDIT: 20 minutes later- Cat got your tongue, Reenk? Town, I say let's get rid of ye olde shlin this round, and make absolutely certain Reenk is dead before the end of the game. I just can't fathom this.

My case against you before was admittedly very weak Reenk. But I am at a loss to explain this from you now. I wouldn't let that pass if I had a say in it.

:knight:

[LittleGrizzly]

Don't we have to kill shlin28 before a new CoP can be installed ?

Im nervous about Reenk, im not sure if its just his playing style or what but he does send slightly scummy signals off...

i especially don't like...
I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you.

It sounds like he's setting himself up to be left at the end and then have this case to fall back on as an excuse to lynch the other players instead of him... of course the whole kill of my enemy's doesn't exactly inspire confidence either...

Shlin is another one i am unsure about, sure he's been having fun with his CoP role, but it feels like that could be his cover...

TBH out the remaining players they are the ones i getting the gut instinct feeling on, its known to be wrong occasionally though... so im willing to give logic a go as well...

[Askthepizzaguy]

@LG-shlin28 is legitimately a suspect for the following reasons:

1. He's the CoP, who gets investigated almost automatically. He supported TevashSzat, and said both me and YLC were scum. He hasn't been good at giving us suspects. He defends people he doesn't know are innocent. He's even argued with me on my profile page, I basically ordered him to surrender and he said "Never!" and when I questioned him for not staying and chatting, he said he had the "right to remain silent". He's skipped out on questioning. he's highly defensive. TevashSzat voted for him for CoP, and he seems VERY scummy now that he's skipped out. He never once offered to be lynched if he failed in his task, something I WOULD GUARANTEE to do by the mid-game if I were ever made the CoP. He's done nothing to help us and he's been nervous under pressure.

Reenk is legitimately a suspect after that for the following reasons:

2. His post above. :shrug:
That's about it.


On balance, shlin28 is acting like a nervous Godfather scumbag. He also hasn't posted here all night, and this is his usual time to show up. (Bad piece of evidence, but I'll toss it on a pile of good evidence)




Lynch shlin28 and install one of my candidates as the next CoP... or choose your own. JUST BE SURE that they aren't Godfather-y in any possible way, shape, or form.


Oh, and go ahead and read Shlin28's defense of himself.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2142609&postcount=1203

Wow...

(Note: The response has not been proofread... read on at your peril! :skull:)
It seems that I am being very very very suspicious right now for these reasons:

1. Unsually number of post counts - normally an indicator of me having a role.
2. Vigorous defence of Tevash and the eventual "DEATH TO TEVASH!" moment.
3. "Attempting" to "convince" the town that we are down to one Godfather.
4. Lack of serious contribution apart from the aforementioned Point 2.

My answers to all four of them:

1. I like being the CoP, which gives me a sense of higher purpose than a bogstandard townie. In games where I just have a townie PM and nothing else I tend to get bored and relapse into my non-serious mode. In here, I try to be more active. In any case, most of the post is made because of Point 2 (see below)

2. I defended Tevash mainly because A: I dislike the town being led by one person and the majority follows the said townie (unless they have a game role that allows them to do so) and B: I thought ATPG's deduction was flawed.

In practically all of the games featuring both me and ATPG I have stood against his system of reasoning (See "The Lunar Whale", "Teddy Snatcher", "Whispers in the Night" etc), mainly because I was accused by it, a lot. And in all of these cases I was innocent despite his system branding me guilty, so this gives me cause to believe that ATPG' system is not always right. Furthermore, in "Whispers of the Night" I was accused of being mafia, when I was the detective - this led to doubts regarding whether SkyNet can detect whether one is a pro-town role or mafia. So when Tevash was accused of showing signs of scumminess, I took a leap of logic and thought that Tevash could be a detective, hence my defence of Tevash. Anyway, why couldn't I defend Tevash? Note that Sasaki and RR did too... is there anything preventing one townie to help defending another townie because the first townie believes that the second townie is not exhibiting the classic signs of mafianess?

My complete "aboutturn" on the Tevash issue can explained quite easily - He was active during the discussion on his lynch, yet did not respond in anyway. In any case, as NOBODY ELSE has mentioned BTW, at that point it occured to me that Ignoramus* had quite a big chance of being the detective (see the post where I quoted his posts). More troubling however, is that people seem to think just because I supported Tevash for one and a half phases I must support him all the way to the end?

* Now I am thinking more along the line that Ignoramus is the unicycle killer - if he was the detective he would have counter revealed. On the night he decided to kill, the mafia also conveniently concluded that Igno MUST be the detective due to his lurkiness.

3. I did not try to "convince" others of it, I was just stating my personal opinions, which are not infallible - never did I say "The write-up says this, it must be truez!", whenever I stated something from the write-uo (exluding posts from yesterday), I always included a tiny snippet explaining my doubts. Yesterday's post was an exception, mainly because I had reverted to my non-serious mode after a high activity phase, and became vague and annoying.

Also, Tincow I believe had misinterepreted the meaning of Post 1116 (I think) where I "accused" Sasaki of being mafia. This is not the case. Certainly, the write-up SUGGESTED that Sasaki was a member of the mafia group, but I was never sure. Post 1116 was a reply to this post https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2140233&postcount=1114. Here Sasaki produced a detective role PM - in my non-serious mood at the time, I said Sasaki must be guilty, due to his preparations and "backup" role PMs. However, because there was a post between Sasaki's post and mine, the meanings of my post became... er... confused.

4. If there is something really concerning me/really interesting, I tend make short posts and be in my jokey mode. But if there is really something important, I will make contributions. Can't really change that...

So if you are going to lynch me, lynch me on the basis of Point 4. But I assure you, if I am lynched, not only will you lose a most talented lynch-management-guy, the game will also continue, because I am not mafia, not a henchman, and certainly not a Godfather...just a normal townie.Thank you for your time for reading my insane rant. :bow:
It speaks for itself.

Tell me he's not nervous about death, something a townie, especially one whose run as CoP has been WELL off the mark the entire time, would never be.

[Andres]

To make an actual case: look at how he has slowly been trying to put suspicion on me throughout the game. I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you. After all, Reenk is always a good lynch right? :shrug:

Well, how about you quote the posts where he threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe I can help disprove that Chaotix has a vendetta against Reenk, and show that Reenk is being paranoid and overly defensive. But my lynch shlin28 suggestion stands, give Reenk the benefit of doubt for 1 round. He needs to explain himself though.


Chaotix very early fingers Reenk, but drops his case entirely, and it was a suggestion with other suspects, too.

Hm... I should really make a habit of Abstaining after posts that I make during the day phase that are not votes. As it is, I am 5 hours too late, but I likely would not have voted decisively anyway.

Honestly, the first person who comes to mind while considering the "lifting" of a write-up is seireikhaan. Mostly because he's a sneaky :daisy:. (I mean this in a good way :laugh4:)

Unfortunately, he's dead.

And so the second, ironically, is ATPG. He had a seemingly extensive knowledge of Mafia even before he started hosting or playing in games, and I would not be surprised to see him start taking write-ups from games that he had previously followed.

My third guess would be Reenk, based on his previous use of already-established material in his Watcher posts of Fillet Royale.

It does not seem to me that Gaius would have lifted his own write-up and then pointed it out afterwards as a clue. If he had done that, it probably would have been Night 1, as well. And even then- as he's said, Gaius only has 3 or 4 more write-ups to choose from. If he kept using them, he'd run out eventually and have to start writing them from scratch, at which point we would probably notice that the new write-ups are shockingly similar to the old ones in style.


Next, he doesn't even mention Reenk.

Well, thank you. I am flattered to think that others actually consider me to be a halfway decent mafia player. In actuality, I believe I've only won a single game as mafia. (although I did come pretty close and fool FactionHeir in Resident Evil...)

Back on topic:

Sigurd is lurking, whether or not he admits it, and this does concern me. However, what may make him look slightly more innocent is the fact that he has been lurking in YLC's mafia game as well- this leads me to believe that he is much less active perhaps for real-life reasons rather than him being scum. This is not to say he couldn't be scum anyway, though.

While I would love to just jump on a bandwagon and vote either Sigurd or YLC now, I realize that I may very well not show up to change it later once the situation turns my extra vote into a lynch decider. For that reason, I will instead vote: Glyphz for lurking and (hopefully) be back later once I make up my mind.

Next, he doesn't mention Reenk again, as YLC is the prime suspect.

:mean:

YLC, why bother signing up and playing the game in the first place if you're just going to be uncooperative and try to get yourself killed? It's a waste of a sign-up, and now this is going to be a waste of a lynch, too, because the mafia is getting of scot-free this round.

All the attention's drawn onto you, and the mafia doesn't have to hide at all, because their behavior, even is poor, would probably make them look like saints standing next your general behavior in the thread. I generally don't like to go and bash players like this, but for this game at least you are worse than useless because of all of your deliberate WIFOM and self-votes and suicidal tendencies. Do you even want your side to win? Mafia or Town, you're not doing a very good job of helping your team.

Unvote, Vote: YLC

Now you must die, and next round we can get back to lynching mafiosi.

Next, Chaotix follows up on YLC again. No mention of Reenk at all.

A truly poor player would be one who doesn't try to improve. As long as you are actively pursuing your victory condition, you are decent enough in my book- this here is me paraphrasing your own words. Regardless, I am not criticizing you as a player, but only your performance this game.

Honestly, what it looks like here is that you are very busy- you simply have no time to play this game as well as manage your own game and deal with real-life issues as well. Believe me when I say I have been in this position before, where you literally can't spare ten minutes without sacrificing doing something else.

If this is the case, there are better ways of removing yourself from the game then trying to get yourself lynched. You are too innocent to waste a lynch on, but you have also made yourself too suspicious to be left a few turns for the WoG. If you are truly town, then you should pm GH explaining why you can't play anymore, and suicide. That way, you've confirmed yourself innocent, you don't have to play anymore, we don't have to worry about you possibly lurking along and being mafia, and most of all, we still get a lynch for today, instead of it being used to kill you off. This is the best course of action.

:bow:

MUCH LATER: Chaotix points out how scummy and nervous sounding Reenk's defense was. Which it was. It was very suspicious and very nervous sounding, far too defensive. But that alone isn't proof.


Geez, ATPG, talk about an insane wall of text! How long did it take you to write that, three hours or so? It took me an hour to read it and all the posts following it. I applaud you for your effort, and it looks like this analysis will be a lot of help to us for this game. For this game, at least, your usefulness and helpfulness have far outweighed the sometimes-annoying quantity of your posts.

To YLC:
I probably should have figured you were all just playing mind games with us. You certainly like to do that sort of thing, what with the mafia games you've been hosting lately...
But don't think you're off the radar just yet. Whether you meant the words in those last posts or not, it's WIFOM if you try to use that as your innocence case.

And now:


Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.

Reenk's second defense, which starts to be defensive towards Chaotix's accusations.

I abstain courteously (:bow:) in the first round out of respect to a tradition. I only rarely will abstain later in the game unless for some reason (such as trying for a no lynch or really nobody to vote for).



I voiced strong opinions on both Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so that's untrue. I have nothing against the town questioning and examining, just Askthepizzaguy and TinCow, so yet another false charge. Why is this Chaotix?

I voted for him because he's a threat to me. He's certainly not confirmed innocent by the way, I just feel he's 1) a detriment to me and 2) a detriment to the town at the moment by going after an innocent (me).



TinCow was awfully insistent that he was confirmed innocent and that a dead innocent's analysis would not be misleading. Both statements have been shown to be very suspect.

And these "logical parts" would be? TinCow had said earlier that Askthepizzaguy's "points on Reenk Roink and TevashSzat are well-analyzed, well-argued, and consistent." However, he never elaborated on this, and neither are you. I at least provided refutations to his charges as did TevashSzat.

Now, the first one may be true, if by "well-analyzed" you mean Askthepizzaguy did a lot of analysis. It however, has no bearing on the quality, which after reading through it I think is poor.

"Well argued" I'd flat out disagree with. The only thing Askthepizzaguy has is impressing SOME people with a lot of text. Some other people will be either put off or intimidated by it though. As for the quality itself, it's heavily based on old Mafia cliches ("third on the bandwagon" - I mean are you serious?) and

Saying it is "consistent" is the most damning part and makes me think either TinCow didn't read it carefully, didn't understand what he read, or just thinks I should be lynched for whatever reason, substance of Askthepizzaguy's post be damned.

Let me expose to you many inconsistencies of different types:

1) External inconsistencies:

Atpg says I "made a serious grab for Police Chief AND he got several people to vote for him, possibly others nominating him so he wouldn't appear suspect."

This is quite untrue when actually examining the voting for CoP, and looks even worse when Atpg himself was one of the bandwagoners for my election while I myself made the decisive vote to give it to shlin.

Askthepizzaguy also called the third on the bandwagon the "safest and most scummy move in the entire mafia universe"

If this is such a safe move, why is it on the Mafia FAQ and why is it used so frequently as a case? Sorry Atpg, try somewhere else...

2) Internal inconsistencies:

Well let's just have a field day with this shall we:

"Are you avoiding me, Reenk? You never have before. You talk more. You joke more. You think your votes through more. You try harder."

In many other places Atpg calls out my activity and questions why I don't put more reasoning in my votes. He wants me to talk and explain myself

And yet he also makes this case against me:

"Explains himself without being prompted to. Guilty much, Reenk?"

:rolleyes4:

Don't get me started on the jokes. Let's take a look at how many joke posts Atpg himself names:

Post 50: Self-incriminating joke. "I am the Godfather." He does stuff like this when he's guilty, too.

Post 126: "I will defriend you if you don't vote for me Beefy."
Sounds like a joke, but he seriously seems to want the job.

386: "Vote: Seamus Fermanagh. He is probably Mafia and tried to implicate me. I am absolutely not Mafia."
Now I trust Seamus Fermanagh too. Half-hearted, half-joking defense likely to not be detected as scummy. "He is probably Mafia"? explain how, Reenk.

388: "I put you in power and will remove you if need be."
Joke post, half-threatening, but not really. He's prompting the CoP to be more active. Well, Reenk, why don't YOU be more active, too? Saving your verbosity for the endgame?

:rolleyes4:

And more. I mean if you actually read his case, EVERY SINGLE ACTION I MAKE IS CONSTRUED IN A EXPLANATORY THEORY THAT MAKES IT SERVE SOME GUILTY PURPOSE - FURTHERMORE MANY OF THESE THEORIES ARE INCOMPATIBLE.

A case that has examples of play leading to a conclusion, or one that has a predetermined opinion and then makes everything into examples of it? You make the call...



Ok...

The only great thing is that the Mafia will probably kill Atpg (and maybe you) to make me look guilty, but it's good because they are actually doing me a favor (I can dodge the suspicion and ensure a victory for Beefy and I :bow:)


Chaotix asks a legit question. Why is it so important that Reenk lives?

Reenk: Just what exactly is so great about you staying alive, anyway?

You act as if ATPG is personally out to get you here, when really he's just following through with what SkyNet tells him. And then, it's not just ATPG either. Your last couple of posts have been absolutely full of scummy-sounding sentences that anyone would call you out on.

You also act as if your death will cause the loss of the game. The only thing you lose by being dead, if you do not have a role, is your vote. There is nothing saying you cannot post your wild sense of humor, or your suspicions against others (of which you have done remarkably little this game except against TinCow the very nearly proven innocent). You can even defend Beefy, still, if you truly believe he must be defended at this point in the game. Why, then, do you suggest it is so important to you that you remain alive?

I will not remove my vote from you. I see nothing significantly incriminating in either Tevash or ATPG, and I will remain uninvolved in deciding a lynch between them.


Seireikhaan: What is so important to winning this game that you have to spoon-feed it to us in riddles rather than just telling us already? Who do you think the mafia is and why?

Reenk's defense again makes no sense to me. He obviously DOES want to be kept alive, but he openly denies that's his motive. The heat on him at this point was minimal, yet he's still in panic mode. He had what, ONE vote on him? Seriously... let it go, man.

I don't think it's important for me to stay alive. Again Chaotix with the false attributions. :no: :shame: You may vote for me all you want. You have no case to do so however.

I really think that people who are criticizing me are probably Mafia using me as a scapegoat. We can indulge them for awhile though, we have the upper hand. :2thumbsup:

I find it funny how despite all of the energy Atpg has focused against me, his case has failed to persuade most, except you and TinCow and drawn suspicion on himself. I like Atpg, I encourage him to have fun in these games and do his thing, but I should also have my fun and criticize his system also, no? ~:grouphug:

And if you don't think it's not out to get me I advise you to re read his case, it is filled it caustic comments (unlike say Kommodus with a similar system who gave a fairly "objective" if you can call it that summary of my posting changes,) very unobjective - for Godsake SkyNet is HIS SYSTEM with HIS OPINIONS - of course he's doing what it tells him to do).





This post is for easy reference so others can follow what transpired between Reenk and Chaotix. If I missed anything, point it out. I still think shlin28 is a better lynch than Reenk, but I think we can conclude Reenk needs to go before the game is over... that's my analysis anyway. But what do I know? I thought Tevash was the Godfather, and instead, I guess he was a henchman instead. But who knows? Maybe his lurking, lack of role PM, and no desire to help the town is all perfectly normal townie behavior, especially for a detective.

:no:

[White_eyes:D]

I thought Tevash was the Godfather, and instead, I guess he was a henchman instead. But who knows? Maybe his lurking, lack of role PM, and no desire to help the town is all perfectly normal townie behavior, especially for a detective. ATPG...ask yourself....would a guy with any kind of role, other then townie....just pick-up and leave and not even defend himself?? (I know I wouldn't....:no:)

Edit:and I see you just picked up and left....:shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL listen, we'll know Tevash's alignment when the game is over, and it's a moot point, as he's dead now.

But... umm... he didn't say who he was investigating, he never revealed a role pm, and he's not here now to offer other suspects. Let's drop it, though, because I don't care. It's a distraction. He wasn't the Godfather, and only the Godfather matters. Let's find and lynch him.

[TinCow]

ATPG...ask yourself....would a guy with any kind of role, other then townie....just pick-up and leave and not even defend himself?? (I know I wouldn't....:no:)

If you're claiming that Tevash was just a townie, I find that unlikely. Tevash claimed to be a detective to save himself from being lynched. That almost certainly means he was the detective or a mafioso. In either case, he had a role, which contradicts what you're saying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be here for the next 40 minutes or so, so if you all wanna talk this over with me, I'd love to.

Anyone?

Otherwise, the game is in capable hands. I like the reasoning coming from 90% of you. We have a phenomenal chance of winning here.

:bow:



Nothing else from Reenk, huh? At this point I'm almost inclined to reverse myself and go Reenk first, Shlin28 second. But let's go with evidence over hunches.

[Thermal]

BAH! JUST POSTED LOADS AND MY BROWSER FROZE! :furious3:
~ from what ive read (and im not bothering with punctuation, the quicker i retype this the better!)

sorry for my unintentional lurking fest

~Seamus did not look suspicious too me at all

~lurkers shouldnt be let off the hook, glyphz and taka, lurkers here, have won as mafia in other games recently via lurking, so top suspects


@pevergreen
why the vendetta against me?

@white eyes
why are you convinced reenk is the boombox guy? i doubt both of the park inhabitants were innocent, could the boombox guy be the godfather?

@ATPG
ylc/pevergreen do not look that innocent to me, why do you continually defend him, with so little evidence? Also I wouldnt want to be chief of police, im not a good boss and I'd hate to have my privilege of voting took away, thanks :bow:

[shlin28]

Meh, lynch me if you think I suck at being the CoP. (I don't mind because I just sent GH the most awsomest lynch write-up everz :smash:)

If I could vote and it is day, I would totally vote: shlin28.

G'day y'all!

*fires pistol into the air in commiseration of my death*

To ATPG:

He's even argued with me on my profile page, I basically ordered him to surrender and he said "Never!" and when I questioned him for not staying and chatting, he said he had the "right to remain silent"You "ordered" me to "surrender" on MY profile page? Real friendly... :no: And that was barely an argument, I replied with two sentences, both in a clearly jokey manner. An "argument"? I think not.

So what if I replied with a simple "NEVER!!!!!!!!!!"? Should I just surrender and stop defending Tevash against what I percieve as a flawed argument? (I don't trust SkyNet at all). If I suddenly stopped and changed side, I would have been suspicious anyway, as Tincow pointed out. (See his argument about me changing side later and thus suspicious)


He's skipped out on questioning. It was a morning in the weekend... should I stayed all the way till the afternoon to argue back and forth?


Bad, bad CoP Note: CoPs have basically no powers and acts as an invincible townie. I'm just doing what when I am a townie does.

and what in the world is wrong with a 20 minute breakfast? :clown:

The above is NOT a defence, I'm just a bit... unsettled by what ATPG is saying 'bout me. That's all.

Edit: My super evil prediction about who is mafia:

Henchmen: ATPG + Sasaki
Godfather: Taka or White Eyes probably.

[White_eyes:D]

If you're claiming that Tevash was just a townie, I find that unlikely. Tevash claimed to be a detective to save himself from being lynched. That almost certainly means he was the detective or a mafioso. In either case, he had a role, which contradicts what you're saying.

Did he really:mellow:?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Starting alphabetically (numbers first as it appears in my excel):

187Beefyz

Posts as of thread post #1246 = 87. Assuming 40 posts per page that's a rate of 2.719/page.

Known posting rates from recent games as a comparison:

In Ephesus, where he was an innocent tourist (townie) his posting rate was 1.821/page.

In Whispers, where he was an innocent townie who died early, his posting rate was 0.733/page.

In Chicago, where he was the last surviving townie, his posting rate was 2.667/page.

In Can't Win, where he was a cop (mafia) his posting rate was 2.375/page.

In Teddy Snatcher, where he was a townie with only one ability, his posting rate was 4.000/page.

In Full Monty Simpsons where he was a powerful Serial Killer, his posting rate was 2.313/page.

Overall posting rate average for all games cited = 2.09/page. The italicized scores are (assuming a normal curve) more than one standard deviation away from this mean score. His current posting rate is almost, but not quite, past the +1 SD margin.

Based on a quick scan of posts across these games, Beefy's post length appears to be up slightly in this game as opposed to some others.


Votes have been recorded by Beefy in 8 of 9 possible instances.

D1 = he voted to elect himself, but changed his electoral vote to Reenk.
D2 = pizza
D2 runoff between Ichigo and Seamus = Seamus
D3 = himself, but switched to an abstention
D4 = taka, but then switched to a no vote (imputed abstention)
D5 = Tevash
D5 runoff between Tevash and Pizza = Pizza (post Tevash detective reveal
D6 = Tevash
D7 = inidicated a wish to vote taka, but never entered a vote (imputed abstention)

Beefy has never voted for someone who was subsequently murdered, and though he has cast votes for those still alive, he has never left his final vote for a given round on a player who was not subsequently lynched either in that round or later in the game. The only exception to this is his election, not lynch, vote for Reenk on Day one.


777Ares777 shall be next.

[Thermal]

Beefy's posting pattern varies little regardless of his alignment unfortunately, though evidence suggests he's innocent.

[White_eyes:D]

777Ares777 shall be next.

Me next....I want to take a ride on the Seamus investigations....:clown: