The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 6

GeneralHankerchief

02-19-2009, 20:07

Night 7

LittleGrizzly was sitting at his home watching T.V. When he heard a knock on the door. He was no fool though, after all the murders that had taken place he had a deadbolt chain-locked door to prevent intruders and stayed away from windows, so he wouldn't be shot by a sniper. He didn't want to be a easy kill, so he answered the door carefully.

When he opened the door with the chain on, there was a man in a business suit, who looked real down. Letting his guard down, he let the man in as he said he had something he wanted to discuss and it was "life threatening". LittleGrizzly was no fool though, he had the man sit on his couch and wait while he went to get some "snacks" which in this case, was a twelve gauge shotgun. Then he came back, only to find him gone. "Damn, I might have let the killer slip though our fingers", growled LittleGrizzly, he then found a box where the man had sat down. Curiosity got the better of him and he decided to open it up and KABLOOEE!! his house, along with several others were wiped off the Gameroom map. Once again, all the Chief of Police found when he arrived was a DVD entitled 'For Seamus' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8h9Wf7LjU), along with massive destruction.

Chief of Police shlin28, after watching and then discarding the DVD, was very annoyed. He had been hard at work all through the night and even the day, creating his greatest lynch method yet in the Gameroom Park. He had been "in the zone", so to speak, and having to drive to the murder scene to deal with yet another explosion had taken him out of his element. Whoever was to get executed tonight had better deserve every second of the awesomeness shlin was about to unleash, strictly for interrupting his work, yet alone killing off most of the town.

After a couple more labor-intensive hours, shlin finally took a step back, looked over at the man with a boombox playing "All My Life" by the Foo Fighters, and looked back at his work.

"There," he said, "It's done. Time to call everybody over."

Some minutes later, the villagers arrived and stared at was was before them. Despite shlin's pronouncements that this would be the greatest method of execution known to mankind, all they saw was leftover stuff from the previous few executions.

"Oh, you'll see," said shlin with a wicked grin on his face. "You will see."

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (12)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh

~~~~~~~~~~~

ANNOUNCEMENT: Since it looks like shlin28 is in hot water this round, if he does get lynched the new Chief of Police will be selected by me, via random.org.

Thermal

02-19-2009, 20:22

Reference to modern music has been made frequently, without meaning to stereotype or frame myself probably looking at a teenaged audience as a mafia...

Sasaki Kojiro

02-19-2009, 21:27

May as well lynch Reenk today.

Andres

02-19-2009, 21:32

Well, how about you quote the posts where he (Chaotix27) threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

Reenk Roink, would you be so kind to answer my question?

LittleGrizzly

02-19-2009, 21:36

Far too concerned about saving the town to watch out for my own safety... a true hero ~;)

Ill echo what i said about Reenk and Shlin28...

shlin28

02-19-2009, 21:53

LittleGrizzly

02-19-2009, 21:59

Andres probably falls into my 2nd tier of suspects along with Glyphz and someone else i think..

Edit: Gaius is my other suspect...

shlin28

02-19-2009, 22:10

Out of interest LG, who is in your first tier of suspects? Me and RR?

PS: I hope Seamus is back with his post per page thing, it seems VERY useful to find abnormal behaviour.

(Yes... I am making several posts here because I am bored... :embarassed:)

Seamus Fermanagh

02-19-2009, 22:50

777Ares777

Posts as of thread post #1257 = 55. Assuming 40 posts per page that's a rate of 1.719/page.

Known posting rates from recent games as a comparison:

In Ephesus, where he was an innocent tourist (townie) his posting rate was 1.25/page.

In B'rubber, where he was a townie his posting rate was 3.6/page.

In Whispers, where he was mafia convert, his posting rate was 2.0/page.

In Chicago, where he was a townie, his posting rate was 2.0/page.

In Fillet, where he was an early lynchee his posting rate was 5.867/page.

In Full Monty Simpsons where he one of the last townies, his posting rate was 2.188/page.

Overall posting rate average for all games cited = 2.661/page. The italicized scores are (assuming a normal curve) more than one standard deviation away from this mean score. His current posting rate is just past the -1 SD margin. Note, Fillet is such an outlier that the distribution of these scores is less reliable in terms of variability.

Ares seems to increase activity under Beefy narrated efforts.

Votes have been recorded by Ares in 6 of 9 possible instances.

D1 = Sigurd, changed to Shlin.
D2 = abstained but then switched to glyphz and Sasaki
D2 runoff between Ichigo and Seamus = no vote
D3 = Tincow, but switched to Sigurd
D4 = no vote (imputed abstention)
D5 = ylc
D5 runoff between Tevash and Pizza = Tevash, switched to abstain (post Tevash detective reveal)
D6 = Tevash
D7 = no vote (imputed abstention)

Ares has kept a final vote on someone who was subsequently murdered ONLY in the first lynch vote. He has avoided a final vote in both "runoffs" though he had voted against Tev prior to Tev's reveal.

Quintus.JC

02-19-2009, 22:59

Seamus please do Shlin and Reenk before the others please, I need you opinion on this. :bow:

Reenk Roink

02-19-2009, 23:13

Well, how about you quote the posts where he threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

Andres is officially on my suspicion list now (and it's not retaliatory because everyone is gunning for me this round, I picked Andres specifically dor a reason).

Here you are though Andres (please do be patient guys, points at Atpg and Andres, I can't spend all my time on the game):

Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.

I responded and refuted his claims in a post by the way, look it up if you care (I think you don't care and I'm just a scapegoat for you fyi).

TinCow was indeed not cleared at all like was previously posted by him, and we all know the story by Atpg and his "logic"... :rolleyes:

By the way, where's the detective reveal Chaotix? :rolleyes: :laugh4:

As for the second post, Chaotix mistook a good Pearl Jam video for me wanting to stay alive (when I was just teasing Atpg that I was alive despite all his efforts). Of course Atpg is up to the usual SkyNet type analysis we expect from him again now, and he rehashes a long refuted argument. :laugh4:

Vote: Andres - Chaotix can wait.

PS:

But what do I know?

In reference to this game, not much.

TinCow

02-19-2009, 23:18

TinCow was indeed not cleared at all like was previously posted by him

You're still on this? I was killed by mafia. I thus can't be mafia. The naked unicyclist killed after I died, thus I can't be the naked unicyclist. Are you now saying that GH put in more than one 'twist' into the game?

Reenk Roink

02-19-2009, 23:23

You're still on this? I was killed by mafia. I thus can't be mafia. The naked unicyclist killed after I died, thus I can't be the naked unicyclist. Are you now saying that GH put in more than one 'twist' into the game?

Ok so let's see what has happened. Andres asked me to quote a post where Chaotix was suspicious of me "spouting nonsense." I did, and the context happened to be around the same time when I took exception to your twin claims that you were proven innocent and that a dead innocent would never mislead town. I added it as another piece of nonsense that CHAOTIX spouted. And of course something like this happens... :rolleyes:

Why is this such an important issue to a dead townie as you claim to be?

And you betya you're not cleared in my eyes.

Andres

02-20-2009, 00:35

I find it interesting that Andres has not been under a lot of fire in this game... I wonder why... Normally he gets accused a lot. Yet here...? Not so much :book:

*crawls back into the lynching pit, ready to be lynched*

Edit: The songs are probably not aimed to incriminate people, I think they are meant to comment on the dead person's personality. I think.

Ah, so I'm suspicious because, eh, well, because nobody has accused me thus far? Because I've not been considered suspicous thus far?

So your case against me is that I must be scum because nobody said I was until now?

:inquisitive: :wall:

Andres is officially on my suspicion list now (and it's not retaliatory because everyone is gunning for me this round, I picked Andres specifically dor a reason).

I wonder what reason that could be. Maybe it's in the next part of your post?

Here you are though Andres (please do be patient guys, points at Atpg and Andres, I can't spend all my time on the game):

I responded and refuted his claims in a post by the way, look it up if you care (I think you don't care and I'm just a scapegoat for you fyi).

Hm. Now, why would you be my scapegoat. I guess it will all become clear further on...

TinCow was indeed not cleared at all like was previously posted by him, and we all know the story by Atpg and his "logic"... :rolleyes:

Hmmm... TinCow got killed by the mafia and is confirmed innocent and ATPG's scuminess is no longer relevant, he got lynched.

Nothing about me in that paragraph though :shrug:

By the way, where's the detective reveal Chaotix? :rolleyes: :laugh4:

As for the second post, Chaotix mistook a good Pearl Jam video for me wanting to stay alive (when I was just teasing Atpg that I was alive despite all his efforts). Of course Atpg is up to the usual SkyNet type analysis we expect from him again now, and he rehashes a long refuted argument. :laugh4:

Now it's about Chaotix27 who is still waiting on Tevashszats' reveal? And then about ATPG. Why wasting breathe on ATPG's supposed guilt or innocence? He got disposed of, we lynched him.

Vote: Andres - Chaotix can wait.

Eh? Could you repeat that mysterious reason for voting me again? Ah, but there's still some bit of text left.

PS:

In reference to this game, not much.

A remark on a statement by ATPG. He's lynched and dealt with, get over it.

Still no specific reason for voting me though.

Oh well, I'm a patient man.

Vote : shlin28

As per previous round. Subject to change though. Reenk Roink likes role playing and the somewhat aggressive tone makes me think that he seems to be roleplaying a mafioso now, instead of the crazy townie act he usually does.

Andres

02-20-2009, 00:37

Ok so let's see what has happened. Andres asked me to quote a post where Chaotix was suspicious of me "spouting nonsense." I did, and the context happened to be around the same time when I took exception to your twin claims that you were proven innocent and that a dead innocent would never mislead town. I added it as another piece of nonsense that CHAOTIX spouted. And of course something like this happens... :rolleyes:

Why is this such an important issue to a dead townie as you claim to be?

And you betya you're not cleared in my eyes.

TinCow is a confirmed innocent. You're the one spouting nonsense.

Now, about that "I picked Andres for a specific reason" part of your previous post...

White_eyes:D

02-20-2009, 00:59

I am more worried about the lurkers......where are you guys anyway...??:inquisitive: I admit this looks ugly:help:....but at least have the stones to show up and help discussion.....Vote:Random lurker glyphz

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 01:14

I wait for more analysis from Seamus. They are excellent quality.

seireikhaan

02-20-2009, 01:15

My apologies, Seamus. It appears I mis-estimated you.

White_eyes:D

02-20-2009, 01:20

I wait for more analysis from Seamus. They are excellent quality.

It's going to take forever before he gets to me:cry:

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 01:25

It's going to take forever before he gets to me:cry:

I finally appreciate starting with B :laugh4:

Although I changed my name back to Beefy187 so I should be after Andres :sweatdrop:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 01:25

Post count analysis seems to be completely inconclusive so far--even when the person is a standard deviation of their norm there are games as townie with wildly varying numbers.

White_eyes:D

02-20-2009, 02:26

Post count analysis seems to be completely inconclusive so far--even when the person is a standard deviation of their norm there are games as townie with wildly varying numbers.

which was why I was mocking it......:laugh4::laugh4:

Chaotix

02-20-2009, 02:28

Ah. So finally it appears I am getting some responses to my previous accusations. I'm even being counter-accused myself, too! I would absolutely love to stay and chat, but I've a paper to do and cannot. It will have to wait till tomorrow, if the round is still going.

Until then, I've got a few comments to make.

First: I did get my detective reveal, Reenk. It was from your scum buddy, Tevash. :clown:
Second: You seem unusually bitter now. Since when did the town's victory condition become "lynch all of Reenk's perceived enemies"?
Third: You are wrong about me wanting to keep you around until the end as "lynchbait". I would much rather you die now so we can finish this game.

Vote: Reenk

GeneralHankerchief

02-20-2009, 02:42

Since when did the town's victory condition become "lynch all of Reenk's perceived enemies"?

Since Mafia III, at least according to Reenk. :smartass2:

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 03:06

Post count analysis seems to be completely inconclusive so far--even when the person is a standard deviation of their norm there are games as townie with wildly varying numbers.

Do we have anything better to go on?

1. Chaotix vs Reenk
2. ATPGs accusation... Lynch Shlin!
3. Andres... His not dead yet!! :smash:

Alright maybe we do. But I wouldn't mind some reinforcement on Reenk and Shlins case so we can win.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 03:15

Well, I think reenk is the best choice...

pevergreen

02-20-2009, 03:33

Just a quick response to Ares, there is no vendetta, I merely think you are mafia.

taka

02-20-2009, 04:10

omg so much analysis. i've no time today to look through it, but as i said i want to

vote: shlin

because of his non-helpfulness as "supposedly" head of town

Reenk Roink

02-20-2009, 06:54

Edit - had a long reply and line by line refuatation, but don't care as much anymore**... :shrug:

Andres, you seem to be expecting I tell you my reason for voting for you. I won't. You get the fact that there is a reason and you get a motive ascribed to you by me. :shrug: Why should you get a reason at all (seeing how many I vote for simply don't)?

Please don't call my insistent that TinCow has been proven innocent as nonsense when it clearly is not. Allow me to demonstrate (and I hesitate always to do this because TinCow always jumps on me for doing it):

In this game we know there is a twist* and so given that, along with the fact that a detective investigation of at least the Godfather is innocent, we can never rule out the logical possibility that a killed player is innocent. This is not one of those games which you can reason from the axiomatic nature of the rules that a killed person is a townie. It's as simple as that. The best you can say is that so and so is probably innocent. Saying confirmed is false.

As for me "roleplaying" a Mafia, I would really like to get an account where a Mafia has behaved like I have, because I sure as heck haven't seen one.

*I hope I don't have to show the problems with equivocating "a twist" to 1 role as has been done before.

Vote: Reenk Roink

Sorry Beefy sir, you are on your own. :sad: :shrug: Hope you (and Ares) win, whatever side you are on. :bow: If you are on different sides then :rolleyes4: :laugh4:

Edit x6?: **Don't care about responding to my critics, obviously I still am interested in the game GH :bow:

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 08:06

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 10:00

Please, please, please do NOT lynch Reenk Roink this round.

Shlin28 is an UNWILLING candidate for the lynch, and thus a better lynch.

Much has happened which allows me to put a nail in the coffin case together against shlin28. Please bear with me, as I don't have a prepared case to just post automatically. One moment... in the meantime, please explain to me why Reenk is a better candidate than shlin28, and why anyone else should die this round besides shlin28.

I admit Reenk looked bad there for a while, but he deserves the BENEFIT OF DOUBT for one lousy round for voting himself this round. Then we can cap him.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 10:21

I spent 20 minutes on this one, and unless the moderator objects, I feel it deserves a thread bump. Say the word and I'll merge the posts.

Well, I think reenk is the best choice...

And that's why shlin28 is the best choice. I wouldn't trust Sasaki at this point, fellows. I have an increasingly damning case against Sasaki, especially since he died. But more on that later.

But, I need to follow Andres' and TinCow's advice and keep things short and sweet. Here's the meat of my evidence. It's all circumstantial, but without any super pro-town role powers, that's the only kind of evidence I can give you. You can skip it and go directly to the "humanish" version below.

Day One voting closed at 2-3-09, at 1453 hours.
People active that night and still a suspect:

Shlin28 (most of the night), 777Ares777, Chaotix27, QJC, WhiteEyes, Beefy, LG, Gaius, Andres
TinCow, YLC, Seamus, ATPG, Tevash, Lord Winter, Rythmic

Day Two voting closed 2-5-09 at 1553 hours.
Day Two A voting began at 1729 hours on 2-5-09.
Day Two A voting closed 2-6-09 at 1432 hours.

People active that night and still a suspect:

Shlin28 (again), Ares (2), Gaius (2),
ATPG, Sasaki Kojiro, Lord Winter, Beefy, boudica, LG

Day Three voting began at 1300 hours on 2-7-09
Day three voting closed at 1300 hours on 2-9-09

People active that night and still a suspect:

Chaotix (2), Beefy (2), LG (2), Gaius (3), WhiteEyes (2), Andres (2), QJC (2), Ares (3), Reenk
ATPG, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh, TinCow, boudica , Jolt, Sigurd, Khaan,

Day Four voting closed at 1400 hours on 2-11-09, pms taken since.

People active that night and still a suspect:

QJC (3), Andres (3), LG (3), glyphz, Shlin28 (3), Ares (4), Gaius (4), White Eyes (3) Beefy (3), Reenk (2)
ATPG, Sasaki, TinCow, YLC, Jolt, boudica, Seamus, Rythmic

Day Five voting closed at 1400 hours on 2-13-09.
Voting re-opened due to tie between ATPG and TS.

People active during that phase and still a suspect:

777Ares777 (5), QJC, (4) WhiteEyes, (4) Reenk (3), Beefy (4), taka, Chaotix (3) Gaius, Shlin28 (4), Andres (4), glyphz (2)
Sasaki, TS, Jolt, Seireikhaan, Ignoramus, Seamus, Lord Winter, YLC, Rythmic

Day Five A ended at 1535.

People active that night and still a suspect:

Shlin28 (5) (most of the night, defending Tevash), Reenk (4), glyphz (3), 777Ares777 (6), WhiteEyes (5), Beefy187 (5), QJC (5)
ATPG, Seireikhaan, Sasaki, TinCow, Seamus, CountArach, YLC, Sigurd,

Post 987-

"ATPG... Tevash investigated YLC on NIGHT 4, AFTER YLC got scummy, so what is this focus on Tevash's inactivity on the 3rd night? His vote for YLC on Day 3 were valid and quite sensible at the time, as he (claimed) he had no results at that moment. His actions afterwards... meh. It does seem odd, but it still does not detract from the fact that as he is a potential detective, he should not be lynched last day phase. Why couldn't YLC be the Godfather anyway? Its a 1 in 28 chance, he is no more likely to not be a Godfather than me... Anyhoo, got to go now, be back in 3-4 hours. I hope you'll still be online then ATPG! "
Focusing on the wrong parts of my analysis. The point was he investigated YLC, cleared him, and promptly and without thinking FoS'ed YLC. THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!

Post 1009-

"Wow, that was... dramatic. As for Tevash, even I (one of his defenders) would say that he needs to be watched, but certainly not lynched immediately"
Stop defending Tevash! Let Tevash defend Tevash!

Post 1017- (Reenk Roink)

"2 kills. Sasaki among them. Boy were all you lot wrong (points at TinCow and Atpg). Edit: Vote Seamus. Reenktuition says you killed Sasaki as he was one of the innocent looking enemies of you."
Quick to jump to the conclusion that the mafia still have two murders. Votes Seamus (innocent/vigilante, most likely, in my book.)

Post 1018- (Lord Winter)

"Hah, I told you I was innocent." (15 minutes after the night writeup was done.)
He was clearly lurking in the thread, NOT doing town's work. Then he scummily defends himself, and after only very light questioning by me, runs away like "a chihuahua engulfed in flames" as I said earlier.

Post 1026- (Shlin28) (1455 hours)

"I think the nude unicyclist is either a vig or a SK - looking in the write-up, I would say that Sasaki said something that triggered the said attack. *Digs up Sasaki's posts* Also, Tevash survived, next round - I suggest we wait for his results and his role PM before lynching him."

What were your conclusions that you gained from digging through Sasaki's posts? Again wanting more time before Tevash gets lynched.

Post 1028- (Shlin28) (1505 hours; after 10 whole minutes of analysis)

"My quick perusal of Sasaki's posts revealed nothing that strikes me as the kind that would lead to serial killer kill. I seem to remember one in Capo where a SK will kill someone if they say they are "innocent", could be something similar here? The killer here is clearly deranged and thinks Sasaki will lead to "doom"... exactly the kind of SK who will kill due to a keyword."

Wow. Nothing revealed after a whole ten minute? and that doesn't even include the time it took to type all this deep analysis up. Astonishing. Thought provoking. Invaluable data.
:clown:
Pardon, I know the sarcasm isn't necessary. :shame: But think about it. Why should we consider any analysis that someone spent no time on, which concluded NOTHING?

Chaotix27- post 1029-
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139053&postcount=1029

"Well, that was certainly an awesome write-up. I see only one flaw: unicycles don't have handlebars. Joking aside, I do not believe that the unicyclist is out enemy. If you read closely, it seems that he believes he was saving the town by killing Sasaki. Additionally, in the opening write-up, the nude unicyclist was present before the mafia arrived. Thus, I believe the unicyclist is our "special twist"- he is a vigilante. We also have to consider the boom box guy. I believe he is either the investigator or another "twist", perhaps a roleblocker or a protector. Vote: Reenk"

That's likely the correct analysis of the writeup. Seems to me Chaotix isn't trying to color the writeups, and most likely innocent.

777Ares777- post 1039-
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2139279&postcount=1039

"I think the unicyclist is cleared relatively well, so hoping your innocent I suggest killing someone like Taka, lurking, and have been known to win as mafia before whilst doing it.
vote:tevashszat Until we get a role pm + analysis of atpg's evidence against you, You were voting for people you had supposedly cleared of suspicion"

Thank you, Ares. And since you don't WANT the job, you would make an excellent CoP.

Shlin28- 1106

"Okay, after reading through thread... I seriously now consider Igno as a detective... see this post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...15#post2136815
Doesn't this just scream detective at you?
and this after he died:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...51#post2139551
Only a detective would do that.
I say we lynch Tevash now!"

Right. TinCow and I both pointed out that his sudden reversal was made when the fate of Tevash had already been decided. Too late, pal.

Shlin28- 1108

"*sigh* Its a bad omen when the CoP actually does some work..."
No. No shlin. It's a bad omen when the CoP does no work.

Shlin28- 1116

"That clinches it, Sasaki MUST be scum!
That means we only got the Godfather left! YEEHAW!
*Fires pistol into the air*"

I piled a mountainous case at your feet when Tevash was on the block, and even before the detective reveal, you defended him up and down. Then you defended him some more. When what, 5 or so people voted Tevash you suddenly got an epiphany: Tevash must be scum. Then, Sasaki mentions how easy it is to do a detective reveal and post a role pm, and you jump out of your pants to assume that Sasaki was scum.

But only when it is too late, when the course of the game has already been decided, have you decided to follow the flow of the mighty river. You fought tooth and nail for Tevash, and then dropped the pretense when Tevash was doomed. These sudden changes in belief about scummy or innocent, conveniently placed to make you look like you agree with town's position, boggle my mind.

You aren't a townie, shlin28; if you were, these epiphanies would happen at a more logical time, instead of as a virtual bandwagon. You want to keep your buddies alive, admit it.

Sasaki Kojiro- 1214

"The case on shlin is well thought out but I'm not feeling it in my gut...hard to say. The town is kind of hacking away randomly at this point."

Good point, Sasaki. I highly encourage town to think with their gut, not with thoughts and evidence. That will surely cut down on the random hacking. :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Sorry, Sasaki, you had that one coming after your brutal dismissal/ignore of me earlier for no reason. :bow:
No hard feelings, but you're no townie in my book after your performance since I accused Tevash, and your scummy defenses of shlin28.

Quick Summary:

There is now a mountain of evidence that Lord Winter was guilty. That Sasaki Kojiro is defending Tevash and shlin28, when we ALL KNOW that Sasaki Kojiro, THE TOWNIE, would be far more skeptical of both. He's never this careless to overlook the obvious suspects and consistently deny the merits of lynching them. He's been totally off the mark all game.

Finally, shlin28 needs to be removed from power, NOW. I've stated reason after reason, but TinCow summarized everything brilliantly. I'll give you a link back to his excellent summary argument against shlin28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2142405#post2142405).

Fellows, listen to me... I know I've been an annoying pain in the butt all game. But we are all thinking that Lord Winter looks more scummy than innocent, and that Tevash was no detective, or at least that the odds are better that these are the case, than the alternative. Sasaki is clearly trying to defend shlin28, when the Sasaki I know and read about would be far more vigilant. shlin28, finally, at the last, has done an objectively poor job explaining himself, defending himself, and spent much of the game kidding around and defending the people who we should now consider scum of the earth.

Please trust me for one more round. Lynch shlin28.

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 10:52

Just one round ATPG? :beam:

I'm willing to give you three more and if towns ends up losing...ill laugh it off and forgive you :laugh4:

Vote: Shlin

To lynch. I won't even try to say "I thought he was guilty." Ill just trust Tincow and ATPG on this one. We can afford couple more mistakes can't we?

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 10:54

shlin28: 3 (Andres 1264, Taka 1278, Beefy187 1283)
glyphz: 1 (WhiteEyes 1266)
Reenk: 2 (Chaotix27 1273, Reenk Roink 1279)

Please confirm this is the correct tally.

DONT LYNCH REENK. Not this round anyway. Seriously. The Godfather won't be voting for himself to tie the game. He'd rather state a defense than WIFOM himself to death, according to self-preservation logic. I wouldn't put it past him, but shlin28 is objectively the scummiest person here, IMO, and that's been recognized by at least a couple other dead people.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-20-2009, 10:57

I'm inclined to side with ATPG on this one, Shlin is certainly a better choice than Reenk. As unlikely as it sounds Reenk does make a legitimate point that due to a twist being an inherent part of the game, we can not be completely sure of anyones innocence. That said I do believe that Tincow is most likely innocent.

His post against Shlin would definitely seem to have a lot of weight behind it, whereas Reenk's behaviour in every game I've played with him in has been fun, at times somewhat crazy, absolutely impenetrable, and particularly very intelligent. :bow:

As such for the moment; Vote: Shlin although I would be interested to hear what Seamus has to say on the subject.

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 10:58

FoS: Taka

We really need to keep a eye on him too.. He is frankly too good at dodging the radar.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 11:07

shlin28: 4 (Andres 1264, Taka 1278, Beefy187 1283, Gaius Scribonius Curio 1285)
glyphz: 1 (WhiteEyes 1266)
Reenk: 2 (Chaotix27 1273, Reenk Roink 1279)

I do want to say Reenkster, you brought a lot of the heat and questioning on yourself. But you're the Reenk man, and that's to be expected. You are both brilliant and inscrutable, and that's what makes you dangerous, and your behavior is objectively odd for the average townie, but chalk it up to Reenk being Reenk.

After the game, :shakehands: :medievalcheers: and we'll laugh about it. And I believe you may owe me an apology for this comment:

But what do I know?
In reference to this game, not much.
Whereas I owe you an apology for being the person who brought this headache upon you in the first place.

I need to just ignore what SkyNet says about you, and just flip a coin every time you do something bizarre and suspicious, and if you get heads, we lynch you. :clown: That's the foolproof method. :laugh4:

I looked up "inscrutable" in the dictionary to make sure it was the appropriate term. Here's what Dictionary.com said:

in⋅scru⋅ta⋅ble
/ɪnˈskrutəbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-skroo-tuh-buhl] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. incapable of being investigated, analyzed, or scrutinized; impenetrable.
2. not easily understood; mysterious; unfathomable: an inscrutable smile.
3. incapable of being seen through physically; physically impenetrable: the inscrutable depths of the ocean.
4. Reenk Roink.

shlin28

02-20-2009, 11:50

Vote: shlin

There, happy?

Remember, you only got 4 rounds left to get the Godfather. :no:

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 11:52

Doesn't count, you can't vote yet, unless there's something you're not telling us.

And I think it would still be a last ditch effort to save yourself using WIFOM, even if you could vote.

Good game, if you are the Godfather. :shakehands:

shlin28

02-20-2009, 11:54

But... I... am... not... the... Godfather....

Now I know how annoying it is when people get accused wrongly. ~:mecry:

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 11:55

Ok. Why don't you respond to my allegations against you, and we can discuss it.

Your life is on the line, and I'd like to hear an actual defense for a change. Give me two minutes to prepare questioning. Stay put, my friend.

shlin28

02-20-2009, 12:00

Its been more than 2 minutes! ATPG is scum!!!

:clown:

White_eyes:D

02-20-2009, 12:04

I looked up "inscrutable" in the dictionary to make sure it was the appropriate term. Here's what Dictionary.com said:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:true....I wonder why Reenk under pressure as a townie always gets HUGELY "I am going to kill myself and screw town while I am at it.."...........Sasaki? TinCow? you guys would know Reenk better then us...:smash:

LittleGrizzly

02-20-2009, 12:05

Lynch ATPG!!

Like i said Shlin28 and Reenk are my top candidates... i can't help but feel the godfather is making it through the game without any suspicion on him... trust no one!

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 12:07

Okay, shlin28; these are the questions I want answered before I could even begin to be convinced you aren't a total scumbag:

1. Why were you active 5 nights out of 6? Were you sending in your kills or discussing things with your fellow mafioso?

2. If I checked, would I find you were active on the Org on the missing night?

3. Why haven't you offered to be lynched at any point if you failed to bring the mafia to justice? That's Step One of being the Chief of Police. I did so when I campaigned for the office.

4. Your initial campaign was designed to specifically target "overanalytical zealots" and you promised to reign without rhyme or reason. Do you know why I think that's especially scummy? That's a rhetorical question, but you absolutely know that you were stating that specifically to get town on your side (fun) over mine (analysis).

5. Why was your analysis and suggested suspects off-target all game or nonexistent?

6. Why did you consistently defend TevashSzat, as soon as he became a legitimate suspect, even before he "revealed"?

7. Why did you defend him even after he stopped posting?

8. Why did you defend him all the way up until the point where it was obvious he was a goner?

9. Why do you and Sasaki seem to agree on everything, but you consider him to be a scumbag?

10. Why did you bother posting your less than 10 minutes-long analysis when you KNEW it was worthless? You even admitted you had nothing to report.

11. Why did you say it was a "bad omen" when the CoP actually does some work? All townies, yourself included, should be hard working.

12. I simply refer you to the quote:

I piled a mountainous case at your feet when Tevash was on the block, and even before the detective reveal, you defended him up and down. Then you defended him some more. When what, 5 or so people voted Tevash you suddenly got an epiphany: Tevash must be scum. Then, Sasaki mentions how easy it is to do a detective reveal and post a role pm, and you jump out of your pants to assume that Sasaki was scum.

But only when it is too late, when the course of the game has already been decided, have you decided to follow the flow of the mighty river. You fought tooth and nail for Tevash, and then dropped the pretense when Tevash was doomed. These sudden changes in belief about scummy or innocent, conveniently placed to make you look like you agree with town's position, boggle my mind.

You aren't a townie, shlin28; if you were, these epiphanies would happen at a more logical time, instead of as a virtual bandwagon. You want to keep your buddies alive, admit it.

Click this link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44). You have some 'splainin' to do. :laugh2:

For reference only, don't click. It's a repost of my allegations above.Day One voting closed at 2-3-09, at 1453 hours.
People active that night and still a suspect:

Quote:
Shlin28 (most of the night), 777Ares777, Chaotix27, QJC, WhiteEyes, Beefy, LG, Gaius, Andres
TinCow, YLC, Seamus, ATPG, Tevash, Lord Winter, Rythmic
Day Two voting closed 2-5-09 at 1553 hours.
Day Two A voting began at 1729 hours on 2-5-09.
Day Two A voting closed 2-6-09 at 1432 hours.

People active that night and still a suspect:

Quote:
Shlin28 (again), Ares (2), Gaius (2),
ATPG, Sasaki Kojiro, Lord Winter, Beefy, boudica, LG

Day Three voting began at 1300 hours on 2-7-09
Day three voting closed at 1300 hours on 2-9-09

People active that night and still a suspect:

Quote:
Chaotix (2), Beefy (2), LG (2), Gaius (3), WhiteEyes (2), Andres (2), QJC (2), Ares (3), Reenk
ATPG, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh, TinCow, boudica , Jolt, Sigurd, Khaan,
Day Four voting closed at 1400 hours on 2-11-09, pms taken since.

People active that night and still a suspect:

Quote:
QJC (3), Andres (3), LG (3), glyphz, Shlin28 (3), Ares (4), Gaius (4), White Eyes (3) Beefy (3), Reenk (2)
ATPG, Sasaki, TinCow, YLC, Jolt, boudica, Seamus, Rythmic
Day Five voting closed at 1400 hours on 2-13-09.
Voting re-opened due to tie between ATPG and TS.

People active during that phase and still a suspect:

Quote:
777Ares777 (5), QJC, (4) WhiteEyes, (4) Reenk (3), Beefy (4), taka, Chaotix (3) Gaius, Shlin28 (4), Andres (4), glyphz (2)
Sasaki, TS, Jolt, Seireikhaan, Ignoramus, Seamus, Lord Winter, YLC, Rythmic
Day Five A ended at 1535.

People active that night and still a suspect:
Quote:
Shlin28 (5) (most of the night, defending Tevash), Reenk (4), glyphz (3), 777Ares777 (6), WhiteEyes (5), Beefy187 (5), QJC (5)
ATPG, Seireikhaan, Sasaki, TinCow, Seamus, CountArach, YLC, Sigurd,

Post 987-
Quote:
"ATPG... Tevash investigated YLC on NIGHT 4, AFTER YLC got scummy, so what is this focus on Tevash's inactivity on the 3rd night? His vote for YLC on Day 3 were valid and quite sensible at the time, as he (claimed) he had no results at that moment. His actions afterwards... meh. It does seem odd, but it still does not detract from the fact that as he is a potential detective, he should not be lynched last day phase. Why couldn't YLC be the Godfather anyway? Its a 1 in 28 chance, he is no more likely to not be a Godfather than me... Anyhoo, got to go now, be back in 3-4 hours. I hope you'll still be online then ATPG! "
Focusing on the wrong parts of my analysis. The point was he investigated YLC, cleared him, and promptly and without thinking FoS'ed YLC. THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!

Post 1009-
Quote:
"Wow, that was... dramatic. As for Tevash, even I (one of his defenders) would say that he needs to be watched, but certainly not lynched immediately"
Stop defending Tevash! Let Tevash defend Tevash!

Post 1017- (Reenk Roink)
Quote:
"2 kills. Sasaki among them. Boy were all you lot wrong (points at TinCow and Atpg). Edit: Vote Seamus. Reenktuition says you killed Sasaki as he was one of the innocent looking enemies of you."
Quick to jump to the conclusion that the mafia still have two murders. Votes Seamus (innocent/vigilante, most likely, in my book.)

Post 1018- (Lord Winter)
Quote:
"Hah, I told you I was innocent."
(15 minutes after the night writeup was done.)
He was clearly lurking in the thread, NOT doing town's work. Then he scummily defends himself, and after only very light questioning by me, runs away like "a chihuahua engulfed in flames" as I said earlier.

Post 1026- (Shlin28) (1455 hours)
Quote:
"I think the nude unicyclist is either a vig or a SK - looking in the write-up, I would say that Sasaki said something that triggered the said attack. *Digs up Sasaki's posts* Also, Tevash survived, next round - I suggest we wait for his results and his role PM before lynching him."

What were your conclusions that you gained from digging through Sasaki's posts? Again wanting more time before Tevash gets lynched.

Post 1028- (Shlin28) (1505 hours; after 10 whole minutes of analysis)
Quote:
"My quick perusal of Sasaki's posts revealed nothing that strikes me as the kind that would lead to serial killer kill. I seem to remember one in Capo where a SK will kill someone if they say they are "innocent", could be something similar here? The killer here is clearly deranged and thinks Sasaki will lead to "doom"... exactly the kind of SK who will kill due to a keyword."
Wow. Nothing revealed after a whole ten minute? and that doesn't even include the time it took to type all this deep analysis up. Astonishing. Thought provoking. Invaluable data.

Pardon, I know the sarcasm isn't necessary. But think about it. Why should we consider any analysis that someone spent no time on, which concluded NOTHING?

Chaotix27- post 1029-
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...postcount=1029
Quote:
"Well, that was certainly an awesome write-up. I see only one flaw: unicycles don't have handlebars. Joking aside, I do not believe that the unicyclist is out enemy. If you read closely, it seems that he believes he was saving the town by killing Sasaki. Additionally, in the opening write-up, the nude unicyclist was present before the mafia arrived. Thus, I believe the unicyclist is our "special twist"- he is a vigilante. We also have to consider the boom box guy. I believe he is either the investigator or another "twist", perhaps a roleblocker or a protector. Vote: Reenk"
That's likely the correct analysis of the writeup. Seems to me Chaotix isn't trying to color the writeups, and most likely innocent.

777Ares777- post 1039-
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...postcount=1039
Quote:
"I think the unicyclist is cleared relatively well, so hoping your innocent I suggest killing someone like Taka, lurking, and have been known to win as mafia before whilst doing it.
vote:tevashszat Until we get a role pm + analysis of atpg's evidence against you, You were voting for people you had supposedly cleared of suspicion"
Thank you, Ares. And since you don't WANT the job, you would make an excellent CoP.

Shlin28- 1106
Quote:
"Okay, after reading through thread... I seriously now consider Igno as a detective... see this post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...15#post2136815
Doesn't this just scream detective at you?
and this after he died:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...51#post2139551
Only a detective would do that.
I say we lynch Tevash now!"
Right. TinCow and I both pointed out that his sudden reversal was made when the fate of Tevash had already been decided. Too late, pal.

Shlin28- 1108
Quote:
"*sigh* Its a bad omen when the CoP actually does some work..."
No. No shlin. It's a bad omen when the CoP does no work.

Shlin28- 1116
Quote:
"That clinches it, Sasaki MUST be scum!
That means we only got the Godfather left! YEEHAW!
*Fires pistol into the air*"

I piled a mountainous case at your feet when Tevash was on the block, and even before the detective reveal, you defended him up and down. Then you defended him some more. When what, 5 or so people voted Tevash you suddenly got an epiphany: Tevash must be scum. Then, Sasaki mentions how easy it is to do a detective reveal and post a role pm, and you jump out of your pants to assume that Sasaki was scum.

But only when it is too late, when the course of the game has already been decided, have you decided to follow the flow of the mighty river. You fought tooth and nail for Tevash, and then dropped the pretense when Tevash was doomed. These sudden changes in belief about scummy or innocent, conveniently placed to make you look like you agree with town's position, boggle my mind.

You aren't a townie, shlin28; if you were, these epiphanies would happen at a more logical time, instead of as a virtual bandwagon. You want to keep your buddies alive, admit it.

Sasaki Kojiro- 1214
Quote:
"The case on shlin is well thought out but I'm not feeling it in my gut...hard to say. The town is kind of hacking away randomly at this point."
Good point, Sasaki. I highly encourage town to think with their gut, not with thoughts and evidence. That will surely cut down on the random hacking.
Sorry, Sasaki, you had that one coming after your brutal dismissal/ignore of me earlier for no reason.
No hard feelings, but you're no townie in my book after your performance since I accused Tevash, and your scummy defenses of shlin28.

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 12:18

I can answer 6 and 11

6: I don't think God Father will actually bother to defend clearly scum looking player especially if he is indeed part of his crew.

11: Joke? :clown:

shlin28

02-20-2009, 12:19

1. Why were you active 5 nights out of 6? Were you sending in your kills or discussing things with your fellow mafioso?

Let's see... GH ends each phase at 7-8 PM in the evening my time, which usually is my most active time on the Org. So on any given day, I could be counted on to be active during those times.

2. If I checked, would I find you were active on the Org on the missing night?

Which night phase was that?

3. Why haven't you offered to be lynched at any point if you failed to bring the mafia to justice? That's Step One of being the Chief of Police. I did so when I campaigned for the office.

The CoP is just an invincible townie, nothing else. So, I am only behaving as a normal useless townie as I always do. The only thing you can measure success as a CoP is the awsomeness of your lynch write-ups.

4. Your initial campaign was designed to specifically target "overanalytical zealots" and you promised to reign without rhyme or reason. Do you know why I think that's especially scummy? That's a rhetorical question, but you absolutely know that you were stating that specifically to get town on your side (fun) over mine (analysis).

It's the first round... all the posts are like that... Also, at that point in time it looked like RR and Andres and TC were the ones who were going to win, so I posted a totally nonsensical campaign because I thought I have no chance of winning. Note that when I started to get votes I abandonned the initial campaign promise, and focused on vague ideas such as "change" and "hope" (totally original BTW).

5. Why was your analysis and suggested suspects off-target all game or nonexistent?

Just being my normal self... sorry.... Sometimes I get a flash of inspiration and spend all my time standing for that point... but most times... :sweatdrop: If you are going to lynch me, I believe that this is the only valid reason to do so.

6. Why did you consistently defend TevashSzat, as soon as he became a legitimate suspect, even before he "revealed"?

Well... as I said before, I have always be against you in pratically all the mafia games (Lunar Whale, Family Guy, Whispers in the Night etc), mainly because I don't like people who control all aspects of the town, especially as it allows the mafia to hide under your influence. More importantly, I have reasons to believe that your system (a fantastic piece of work!) and your analysis have flaws and cannot find the mafia EXACTLY. At least we know how exactly "Holmes" works (counting posts and other stuff that I forgot), yours? Not so much. Furthermore, in Whispers of the Night you pointed me as being mafia when I was a detective. When you accused Tevash here, I made the leap of logic and htought that Tevash could be a detective, hence his deviation from the norm.

7. Why did you defend him even after he stopped posting?

A: He could actually be a detective.
B: He is in the wrong timezone to respond. I think.
C: I believe your accusations against him are wrong.

As for my later 180 degrees turn regarding this issue, I know of no other way to convince you...

More answers to be editted in (otherwise ATPG might accuse me of being away for a "20 minute breakfast" again! :clown:)

8. Why did you defend him all the way up until the point where it was obvious he was a goner?

See above.

9. Why do you and Sasaki seem to agree on everything, but you consider him to be a scumbag?

THAT WAS NOT DELIBERATE! THERE WAS NO SECRET SCHEMING! NO COMMUNICATIONS! NADA!

10. Why did you bother posting your less than 10 minutes-long analysis when you KNEW it was worthless? You even admitted you had nothing to report.

... at least I was trying.

11. Why did you say it was a "bad omen" when the CoP actually does some work? All townies, yourself included, should be hard working.

Was a joke.

12.

So you think it is impossible for those things to happen naturally? Well they did happen naturally.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 12:32

Lengthy rebuttals in spoiler.

1. Why were you active 5 nights out of 6? Were you sending in your kills or discussing things with your fellow mafioso?

Let's see... GH ends each phase at 7-8 PM in the evening my time, which usually is my most active time on the Org. So on any given day, I could be counted on to be active during those times

I'll even do the legwork to confirm your story. You are being scrutinized, my friend.

2. If I checked, would I find you were active on the Org on the missing night?

Which night phase was that?

Don't. You know which phase it was. You even knew which night I was referring to when I talked about Tevash's activity on the org but inactivity on the thread. You aren't fooling me, so please just answer the question.

3. Why haven't you offered to be lynched at any point if you failed to bring the mafia to justice? That's Step One of being the Chief of Police. I did so when I campaigned for the office.

The CoP is just an invincible townie, nothing else. So, I am only behaving as a normal useless townie as I always do. The only thing you can measure success as a CoP is the awsomeness of your lynch write-ups.

WRONG. The only thing you can do to measure success as a CoP is to analyze how on-target you've been all game, how many people you've questioned, how many new suspects presented, how helpful in general have you been, and if you've been defending scummy people. You absolutely need to be replaced as the CoP and you know it.

4. Your initial campaign was designed to specifically target "overanalytical zealots" and you promised to reign without rhyme or reason. Do you know why I think that's especially scummy? That's a rhetorical question, but you absolutely know that you were stating that specifically to get town on your side (fun) over mine (analysis).

It's the first round... all the posts are like that... Also, at that point in time it looked like RR and Andres and TC were the ones who were going to win, so I posted a totally nonsensical campaign because I thought I have no chance of winning. Note that when I started to get votes I abandonned the initial campaign promise, and focused on vague ideas such as "change" and "hope" (totally original BTW).

I don't accept that explanation. TevashSzat even agreed with you about overanalytical zealots, and you defended him. The link between you and Tevash is patently obvious.

Either try again, or I'm dismissing that explanation as bogus.

More answers to be editted in (otherwise ATPG might accuse me of being away for a "20 minute breakfast" again! :clown:)

I'll check for updates and counter your arguments as I see fit. So far, you aren't doing well.

______________EDIT 1_________________

Activity today between 0619 and 0550
Activity 2-19 between 1610 and 1159
Activity 2-18 between 1407 and 1202
Activity 2-17 between 1557 and 1156
Activity 2-16 between 1414 and 0542
Activity 2-15 between 1505 and 0448
Activity 2-14 between 1650 and 0820
Activity 2-13 between 1153 and at least 1135, but that's as far as I am easily allowed to track your activity by doing a search, and I've made my point.

You have a usual time, to be sure, but you're also leading a double life today, on 2-16, on 2-15, and on 2-14.

I believe I have proven you don't have a "usual time", because if that's the case, you have TWO "usual times", which indicate to me that you are intentionally throwing off your routine to be here both day and night. Otherwise, you don't HAVE a "usual time".

_____________EDIT 2___________________

5. Why was your analysis and suggested suspects off-target all game or nonexistent?

Just being my normal self... sorry.... Sometimes I get a flash of inspiration and spend all my time standing for that point... but most times... If you are going to lynch me, I believe that this is the only valid reason to do so.

Very well, then you accept that we have a valid reason to lynch you. Quit squirming.

6. Why did you consistently defend TevashSzat, as soon as he became a legitimate suspect, even before he "revealed"?

Well... as I said before, I have always be against you in pratically all the mafia games (Lunar Whale, Family Guy, Whispers in the Night etc), mainly because I don't like people who control all aspects of the town, especially as it allows the mafia to hide under your influence. More importantly, I have reasons to believe that your system (a fantastic piece of work!) and your analysis have flaws and cannot find the mafia EXACTLY. At least we know how exactly "Holmes" works (counting posts and other stuff that I forgot), yours? Not so much. Furthermore, in Whispers of the Night you pointed me as being mafia when I was a detective. When you accused Tevash here, I made the leap of logic and htought that Tevash could be a detective, hence his deviation from the norm.

This is the exact same defense you used earlier. I thought it was plausible, but frankly, you "suddenly" believed Tevash was guilty only when he was doomed.

________________EDIT 3_______________________

7. Why did you defend him even after he stopped posting?

A: He could actually be a detective.
B: He is in the wrong timezone to respond. I think.
C: I believe your accusations against him are wrong.

As for my later 180 degrees turn regarding this issue, I know of no other way to convince you...

Finally.

A. That's looking increasingly unlikely.
B. No he was not. He's been online at night almost as much as YOU.
C. I believe you're the Godfather.

As for your 180 degrees turn, YOU HAVE NO DEFENSE.

________________EDIT 4___________________

8. Why did you defend him all the way up until the point where it was obvious he was a goner?

See above.

Right, no reason. Gotcha.

9. Why do you and Sasaki seem to agree on everything, but you consider him to be a scumbag?

THAT WAS NOT DELIBERATE! THERE WAS NO SECRET SCHEMING! NO COMMUNICATIONS! NADA!

Very convincing.

10. Why did you bother posting your less than 10 minutes-long analysis when you KNEW it was worthless? You even admitted you had nothing to report.

... at least I was trying.

Not very hard, my friend.

11. Why did you say it was a "bad omen" when the CoP actually does some work? All townies, yourself included, should be hard working.

Was a joke.

Yes, as were your reasons to defend Tevash, then suddenly reverse yourself when he was doomed.

So you think it is impossible for those things to happen naturally? Well they did happen naturally.

And you're naturally a good candidate to be the Godfather, especially given your vehement defense. If you were a townie you would have dropped it a long time ago. Clearly the game hinges on your lynch, or at least YOU believe it does.

Anything else, shlin?

shlin28

02-20-2009, 12:40

Don't. You know which phase it was. You even knew which night I was referring to when I talked about Tevash's activity on the org but inactivity on the thread. You aren't fooling me, so please just answer the question.

There is a search function, so I can totally find out which night Tevash was inactive (which is what I did), even though I might not be there. Also, he has 18 posts, which is not hard to read all at once to find out his activity. Me? eighty-somethign posts here, kinda hard to remember...

Nevertheless, I will look through my posts... *sigh*

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 12:41

There is a search function, so I can totally find out which night Tevash was inactive (which is what I did), even though I might not be there. Also, he has 18 posts, which is not hard to read all at once to find out his activity. Me? eighty-somethign posts here, kinda hard to remember...

Nevertheless, I will look through my posts... *sigh*

Don't bother, I already did for you.

Besides, you should KNOW which night you weren't here. It was the only night you weren't here.

And proof of your activity is above this post.

shlin28

02-20-2009, 12:44

You have a usual time, to be sure, but you're also leading a double life today, on 2-16, on 2-15, and on 2-14.

I believe I have proven you don't have a "usual time", because if that's the case, you have TWO "usual times", which indicate to me that you are intentionally throwing off your routine to be here both day and night. Otherwise, you don't HAVE a "usual time".

Anything else, shlin?

That is only for this week, because I (and all the other teenagers in Britain) have a one week holiday. So I can get online in my mornings.

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 12:45

I still don't feel trustworthy about Glyphz and Taka, both lurked to mafia victories in the past.

When's Glyphz and Taka gonna be WOG'ed?

I don't see anything against Andres, there's no case against him.

The battle appears to be between Reenk and Shlin. APTG seems bent on lynching Shlin this round, and I have to say, Shlin has put up a awfully big fight to stay alive. Not that I see anything wrong with that.

There's still an awful lot of discussion going on, I will vote later.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 12:47

That is only for this week, because I (and all the other teenagers in Britain) have a one week holiday. So I can get online in my mornings.

Convenient.

Please respond to my rebuttals, because I am still not satisfied with your answers.

Should I become satisfied, maybe I will ask town to lynch Reenk instead of you. (Not that it matters what I say, I am dead, and town can lynch whomever they please so far as I am concerned) If you want to survive, go ahead and state your defense further.

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 12:49

I still don't feel trustworthy about Glyphz and Taka, both lurked to mafia victories in the past.

When's Glyphz gonna be WOG'ed?

I don't see anything against Andres, there's no case against him.

The battle appears to be between Reenk and Shlin. APTG seems bent on lynching Shlin this round, and I have to say, Shlin has put up a awfully big fight to stay alive. Not that I see anything wrong with that.

There's still an awful lot of discussion going on, I will vote later.

Glyphz post count is only 2 under Gaius and Chaotix

Taka however is way under..

shlin28

02-20-2009, 12:49

:laugh4: How can it be convenient? That the government conveniently placed a holiday on this week to help me play better in a mafia game as the Godfather?

:clown:

*Goes back to answer ATPG's questions*

TinCow

02-20-2009, 12:53

The Godfather won't be voting for himself to tie the game unless he has giant brass balls.

Fixed your statement. I hope Reenk (courteously) realizes that it's a compliment when I say that he fits the above profile.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 12:53

:laugh4: How can it be convenient? That the government conveniently placed a holiday on this week to help me play better in a mafia game as the Godfather?

LOL-

With you, shlin, I am convinced anything is possible. :tongue2:

But it's CONVENIENT that you are here both day and night, and almost every night, and I proved that you don't have a "usual time" which was your defense why you were here almost every night.

So your defense isn't a defense, it's an excuse which doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

PS- I am having fun, shlin, and I hope you are too. Come on, you know you delight in having the spotlight on you and being able to fight for your life. I would love such questioning if I were mafia... it's a heck of a lot better than "ATPG IS SCUM LYNCH HIM NOW!!!!" which you can't really defend against.

Better reasons are being presented here for your execution than any before, so you should feel honoured I am not asking town to just blindly trust me. I am at least doing you the honor of giving reasons and asking for a defense.

:bow:

@TinCow: Brilliant!!! Exactly what I would do if I were the Godfather. But I do that every game basically, either by vote or by making myself suspicious on purpose.

EDIT: Shlin28- I posted a rebuttal to number 7 as well. Please respond.

Beefy187

02-20-2009, 13:00

Fixed your statement. I hope Reenk (courteously) realizes that it's a compliment when I say that he fits the above profile.

Its more fun to play that way.. Just ignore victory and glory. Go for fun :yes:

But if you think of what kind of things the grunts will say to you if God Father goes suicidal, I wouldn't dare..

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:04

Sorry bout the double post, but shlin and I have done several back-and-forths in a single post, and now it's time to start fresh.

Please agree to stop editing the above posts, and follow along from here.

I responded to all the points up to 12, shlin. Do you have anything further to add?

shlin28

02-20-2009, 13:05

As for your 180 degrees turn, YOU HAVE NO DEFENSE.

Of couse I have no defence, because I changed my side NATURALLY. If you don't believe me, so be it.

PS: This is the best fun I had as a townie for a long long time :smash:

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:06

Of couse I have no defence, because I changed my side NATURALLY. If you don't believe me, so be it.

PS: This is the best fun I had as a townie for a long long time :smash:

Good. So you have no defense and you're having fun.

shlin28, you already "voted" for yourself even though you cannot vote. So, you agree to be lynched. If this is the case, please shake hands with me and say "good game". Otherwise, answer my rebuttals.

White_eyes:D

02-20-2009, 13:07

Grand InquisitorNow that's more like it......:yes::smash::clown::beam::2thumbsup::laugh4::dizzy2::egypt:

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:10

I have to admit, while doing the analysis is fun, if people would do more inquisitorial-style strategies and post defenses and rebuttals before we randomly lynch people, we would all get more fun out of these games.

:bow:

I only had the title "Ultimate Town Protector" because TinCow said I acted like I was one. I thought it was a great way to mock myself.

Grand Inquisitor is more accurate, indeed.

Blatant AD for the Capo de Tutti Capi III game. Please follow the link and sign up for an invitation. Let's get Seamus' game the 120 players it deserves.

shlin28

02-20-2009, 13:12

Good. So you have no defense and you're having fun.

shlin28, you already "voted" for yourself even though you cannot vote. So, you agree to be lynched. If this is the case, please shake hands with me and say "good game". Otherwise, answer my rebuttals.

I said all I can so yes.

*surrenders to the Mighty Inquistor ATPG*

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 13:12

Grand Inquisitor? He's done this before in Lunar Whale, and he grilled me for good. I've never been put under so much pressure in the first round before. :scared:

Keep on grilling, someone's bound to make a mistake and say something they aren't supposed to say. :thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:14

I said all I can so yes.

*surrenders to the Mighty Inquistor ATPG*

Thank you.

Thank you for tolerating me, everyone. Let's lynch shlin28 and hopefully, you won't have to hear anything else from me for a long time.

:shakehands: with shlin28.

I really hope I am correct about you... I have done so much for this game and I am getting a little weary of my task.

:wall: :shame: :sweatdrop:

@QJC- Thank you. I believe shlin already cracked under pressure, so... hopefully he's the Godfather, and if not, I still believe we would only have one more to go. But I predict the game ends here. Otherwise, I am throwing this computer at the wall.

:clown:

shlin28

02-20-2009, 13:16

I bet 10000000000 trillion dollars that the game will not end when I'm lynched.

:2thumbsup:

Andres

02-20-2009, 13:16

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 13:17

I think Shlin is holding on well, but very few could keep up with the amount of accusation you're hurling at him. I think Shlin would make a fine lynch this round, but I have to say he didn't seem 100% guilty to me.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:21

I bet 10000000000 trillion dollars that the game will not end when I'm lynched.

I'll take that bet.

:sweatdrop:

shlin28: 3 (Taka 1278, Beefy187 1283, Gaius Scribonius Curio 1285)
glyphz: 1 (WhiteEyes 1266)
Reenk: 2 (Chaotix27 1273, Reenk Roink 1279)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (Andres 1318)
Please recheck my tally.

I think Shlin is holding on well, but very few could keep up with the amount of accusation you're hurling at him. I think Shlin would make a fine lynch this round, but I have to say he didn't seem 100% guilty to me.

Fair enough. But I would have nothing to accuse him of if he wasn't legitimately acting out of sorts.

If he were a townie, he would not act like the game hinges on his life, as he just did.

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 13:25

Well, Shlin is renowned for his selfless townie behaviours, so I suppose he’s performance in this game does seem abnormal to his reputation. But then again being chosen for the CoP does mean you’ve gotta contribute a lot more and hang on your life when you need to.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:27

Jolt

02-20-2009, 13:32

Unvote : shlin28
Vote : Gaius Scribonius Curio

I don't like that post. It has "scum" written all over it. That and your lurking.

Woah. I missed his post. It striked me as a "textbook Mafia post". I'd lynch him as well if I were still alive.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:33

Very well, put Gaius on the chopping block tomorrow.

Let's get shlin28 today, please. That's my request, but obviously I defer to the active and alive townies.

Ok I am curious, what about that post itself is scummy? The lurking is... but... what else? :bow:

Jolt

02-20-2009, 13:35

Can anyone give me an example of shlin28 protesting his lynching in any game besides as a mafia or a game where he has a role?

He doesn't claim a role here, and I believe it's totally out of character. And if he were innocent, we still have time to win. What's the deal?

But we're beating a dead horse. shlin said he's willing to be lynched now (after squirming for days and days), so let's oblige. :bow:

I pretty much think he's townie. He just does things out of the blue, quite like me. And since he does stuff that way, when he's put in the situation where he has to explain why he is logically doing somethings, he can't, since he isn't. Not because he's Mafia, but because that's his way of playing. So he'll die and the game will continue.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:39

@Jolt-
I don't follow your logic. Why does that make his actions less scummy? I am not referring to a theoretical or hypothetical "what would shlin do", I'm referring to what he HAS done all game. The literal shlin, the "here right now and look at all the evidence" shlin.

I don't buy the personality argument. Anyone can change their style or methods at any time, especially so if they have a mafia role. I am open to your ideas, but I need more explanation.

And if this discussion is tiresome or I am posting too much or whatever, just ask me to shush, and I'll leave.

Andres

02-20-2009, 13:45

Please, lynch Curio. I don't have the time to go through all his posts, but this one in particular really smells:

I'm inclined to side with ATPG on this one, Shlin is certainly a better choice than Reenk. As unlikely as it sounds Reenk does make a legitimate point that due to a twist being an inherent part of the game, we can not be completely sure of anyones innocence. That said I do believe that Tincow is most likely innocent.

His post against Shlin would definitely seem to have a lot of weight behind it, whereas Reenk's behaviour in every game I've played with him in has been fun, at times somewhat crazy, absolutely impenetrable, and particularly very intelligent. :bow:

As such for the moment; Vote: Shlin although I would be interested to hear what Seamus has to say on the subject.

It's the fact that he doesn't take a stance, he tries to sound neutral, he flatters other players and generally doesn't add much to the discussion.

With that post, he a) lets us know he's still here (avoiding WoG); b) doesn't attack anybody really ; c) flatters other players ; d) he votes for a player, while such a post should logically have to be followed by an abstain or even not vote at all.

It's the type of posts that is typical mafia behaviour.

I think Curio is a better candidate than shlin28 or Reenk Roink.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:48

@Andres-

I could say the same about almost any of the lurkers here who voted recently on any contentious vote. Why just Gaius, and why this turn?

I want to say that I am not trying to drown you out here... I'm actually concerned that you might be a recently recruited mafioso who is now defending shlin28.

My working theory of the game is that the twist is NOT the nude unicyclist, but that the Godfather can recruit anyone he wants to join his team, if he runs out of henchmen. It explains Sasaki's sudden character change, and... potentially... yours.
:mellow:

I'd offer a compromise... if people voting for shlin28 voted for Gaius today, would you vote for shlin28 tomorrow?

Andres

02-20-2009, 13:50

My vote is not for sale and I'm not going to make a list of people I'm going to vote in the next rounds.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:51

Uh huh.

At this point I believe you might be a recruited henchman. As you are not willing to compromise, neither am I, and I urge my supporters not to compromise either.

:snobby:

also, you didn't answer my questions. :bow:

LittleGrizzly

02-20-2009, 13:53

I would like to nominate ATPG for hardest working townie award!

About Gaius he usually does his mid length analytical posts in most games, but are they usually so neutraul in tone or is he usually more aggressive as a townie ?

I remember him being more aggressuive towards the end of Midgaard Saga II but that could be affected by his role (god) and the fact that TIN (Townie Information Network) that he was part off had been infiltrated...

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 13:55

Please, lynch Curio. I don't have the time to go through all his posts, but this one in particular really smells:

It's the fact that he doesn't take a stance, he tries to sound neutral, he flatters other players and generally doesn't add much to the discussion.

With that post, he a) lets us know he's still here (avoiding WoG); b) doesn't attack anybody really ; c) flatters other players ; d) he votes for a player, while such a post should logically have to be followed by an abstain or even not vote at all.

It's the type of posts that is typical mafia behaviour.

I think Curio is a better candidate than shlin28 or Reenk Roink.

I think someone with anaytical skill needs to go back to Mafia VIII and compare the behaviour of Curio then and Curio now. Andres is giving excellent reasons for his vote, but still right now Shlin goods the better lynch target than Gaius.

Andres

02-20-2009, 13:56

Uh huh.

At this point I believe you might be a recruited henchman. As you are not willing to compromise, neither am I, and I urge my supporters not to compromise either.

:snobby:

We could put up theories about "the twist" as much as we want, I think it's a fruitless exercise. I prefer to vote for people who behave scummy. Curio behaved scummy ergo I vote him.

I'm alive and the rules don't say :"vote the people player X wants you to vote". I'll vote for who I deem the most scummy. I'm willing to listen to advice and other opinions, but in the end it's my decision.

also, you didn't answer my questions. :bow:

There was only one question: "Why just Gaius, and why this turn?" which I already answered in the post before the post in which you asked that question.

I for one will not be repeating myself over and over again to get my point across. My answer is there, read it.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 13:58

I see nothing inherently more scummy about Gaius Scribonius Curio than any other lurker, Andres.

I already said I have no problem with his lynch tomorrow. We have a really good lead on shlin28 today, and a good chance of lynching him. As a townie, you must feel free to vote for whomever you want.

I reserve the right to question your decision to suddenly accuse Gaius for generic reasoning, and pose a theory which explains yours and Sasaki's sudden about-faces.

But, as you said, it's your decision. I just really, really question it, just as you've really questioned everything I've done all game. Gentlemen can do that and it's ok. In the end, you're alive and your vote is your own.

I will repeat: there is nothing inherently more scummy about GSC than the other lurkers, and shlin's defense of himself is bad for one, and totally out of character. Should I be quiet now?

Andres

02-20-2009, 14:05

Curio was also the one who remembered one of the kill write-ups from a previous game.

From those alive, he and Chaotix27 have the lowest post count.

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 14:07

Curio was also the one who remembered one of the kill write-ups from a previous game.

Neat, that's the same one he used in Mafia VIII.

He could of used this to divert attention and say that someone was trying to frame him or something like that.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 14:10

He wasn't the only one who remembered a kill writeup. I can do some digging and post links here if you want.

Other murder writeups were also pilfered, and plenty of other people noticed it.

Also, as a side note, and for the benefit of all who may be frazzled with my talkishness:

I reserve the right to respond to anyone who speaks directly to me, because that's only fair.
I do not reserve the right to continue to badger someone who stops replying to me, because that's inconsiderate and overkill. As you can see, I've stopped questioning Sasaki and TevashSzat directly.
I reserve the right to play the game as I see fit, and if I became intensely unpopular for it, I would drop out of the game out of respect for the other players. It's not my mission to destroy anyone's fun.
Should the game host ask me to modify my behavior in ANY WAY, I will comply or drop out.

Any concerns on this matter should go to me directly in private, or to the host in private. I hope this addresses everyone's concerns. (this is not directed at Andres or anyone else in particular)

:bow:

Andres

02-20-2009, 14:12

He wasn't the only one who remembered a kill writeup.

That's true. But he was the first.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 14:13

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 14:18

Askthepizzaguy 226
Sasaki Kojiro 101
Beefy187 96
GeneralHankerchief 82
shlin28 81
Andres 74
TinCow 70
White_eyes:D 61
777Ares777 55
seireikhaan 49
Seamus Fermanagh 46
Reenk Roink 45
YLC 40
LittleGrizzly 40
Quintus.JC 35
Psychonaut 29
Chaotix27 21
Gaius Scribonius Curio 21
glyphz 19
TevashSzat 18
Lord Winter 18
CountArach 17
Jolt 17
taka 15
Sigurd 15
boudica 13
Tratorix 9
Ichigo 9
pevergreen 8
Ignoramus 5
Myrddraal 2
Ituralde 1

And you totally missed Taka, by the way, Andres. He's still alive. That didn't factor into your analysis? And glyphz?

Gaius is the lowest post count, shared with Chaotix, but not even close to Taka? What about glyphz, too? I think your accusation of Gaius Scribonius Curio is careless, because none of the reasons you gave for voting for him stand up to scrutiny at all.

Sorry for being difficult... tell me to hush and I will. :shame: (pevergreen doesnt count because his total should be added to YLC's)

Still alive: (12)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

edit; check it out! I am post 1337!!! :clown: :clown: :clown:

Andres

02-20-2009, 14:28

That still doesn't differentiate him in any meaningful way from the other players.

And it makes more sense to falsely implicate OTHERS before WIFOM'ing yourself with the writeups.

I still don't follow your logic, Andres.

Yes, they lurk. But they don't show the same tone Curio displayed in his posts.

It's not just the fact that he lurks and is still alive that made me vote him.

It's a combination of :

1) lurking;
2) he was the first to notice that the kill write-ups came from previous games (ok, the particular write-up was his own, but still);
3) the neutral tone in his posts.
4) gut feeling.

Sorry if my explanation doesn't satisfy you, but I sincerely think Curio is a better option.

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 14:31

1) lurking;
2) he was the first to notice that the kill write-ups came from previous games (ok, the particular write-up was his own, but still);
3) the neutral tone in his posts.
4) gut feeling.

1. There are lurkers more lurky than he.
2. That's an awful lot of WIFOM. You suggest the Godfather did that to himself? The only goal here is to lynch the Godfather, Andres. That's why, in spite of your abrupt behavior here and my theory you're scum, I don't see fit to lynch you because if you were the Godfather you'd sit tight and enjoy the fact that I pointed suspicion away from you all game.
3. Shlin and Tevash had the same neutral tone all game, you didn't care.
4. The best reasoning evar!

Sorry if my explanation doesn't satisfy you, but I sincerely think Curio is a better option.

Then we disagree as gentlemen. Surely he can wait one round, Andres... :laugh2:

@TinCow, below: Fair enough. :bow:

TinCow

02-20-2009, 14:32

Uh huh.

At this point I believe you might be a recruited henchman. As you are not willing to compromise, neither am I, and I urge my supporters not to compromise either.

I, in turn, urge that no one simply 'support' anyone. Everyone should make up their own minds. Don't blindly vote based simply on the preferences expressed by anyone. Factionalism results in town losses.

pevergreen

02-20-2009, 14:47

Indeed, I see no reason to follow ATPG. I often have him ignored. Mainly when he dies.

Shlin and Ares just happen to be my main suspects.

Vote: Shlin

Askthepizzaguy

02-20-2009, 15:27

Andres

02-20-2009, 15:32

Before I leave, I want to highlight that none of the reasons that Andres used for his vote stood up to scrutiny, and he still didn't change his vote. Of particular interest is that he charged GSC with being a lurker when others lurked more than GSC, and when asked what differentiates GSC from the others, his reasons were lacking.

I also want to point out there's time to lynch GSC tomorrow, but I defy anyone to tell me why we should.

I endorse all votes on shlin28, if it matters. :bow: See you guys later.

Ehm, it would be fair to note that I said I voted GSC for a combination of several reasons, not just for lurking.

Are my posts too long to read them entirely? Should I make my walls of text shorter for your convenience?

~;p

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 16:55

Indeed, I see no reason to follow ATPG. I often have him ignored. Mainly when he dies.

Shlin and Ares just happen to be my main suspects.

Vote: Shlin

Why Aries?

Seamus Fermanagh

02-20-2009, 17:06

Sorry folks, but I will be unable to continue this game until Tuesday. An OOT family trip will be claiming my attention. If you find my analysis valuable, thank you. Replicating it independently is NOT difficult, but takes a bit of effort. All of the information I listed is in the "public" record.

Final caution. Based on the ebb and fllow of htings, it appears that Winter was mafioso, but we will not have absolute proof of his status until GH posts it in his writeup or until the mafia start killing twice a night again. Do NOT assume you have 4/5 tries -- it could be 3.

Seireikhaan:

No apologies needed. I knew you were wrong to want me lynched, but there's rarely any conclusive proof in these games -- you had to do what you thought most likely to work. If anyone was nudging your thoughts or kibitzing, however, you might want to re-examine them....

GeneralHankerchief

02-20-2009, 18:05

ETW demo download complete. You'll excuse me if I don't close voting precisely at the 14:00 mark. :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 18:12

I agree with Andres that Curio is the best choice for today. Reenk's self vote is a mark in his favor.

Curio is usually more into the game and posting in depth. Usually has something of his own to say.

Thermal

02-20-2009, 18:20

I still don't feel trustworthy about Glyphz and Taka, both lurked to mafia victories in the past.

Another who has pointed out what I was thinking

vote:glyphz

There getting this far too easy :smash:

Why Aries?

He hates me! ~:mecry:

Chances are most of the actives, shlin, reenk etc are likely innocent, and those who lurk like taka and glyphz win like previous, most active players sometimes without even realizing it, our the innocent ones even if there is some very circumstantial evidence against them at least they explain it, those that avoid the thread cannot answer questions, there worthless to town. They rarely vote and they make easy mafia bate even if they are town.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 18:31

Thermal

02-20-2009, 18:44

I read the summary of scourge of ephesus but not the game itself. Can someone who played in it compare glyphz posting there to this game?

edit: I just remembered something. Curio unvoted me to put Lord Winter in the lead. Worth considering for sure. Glyphz is probably the better choice, no excuse for that kind of lurking.

I am voting for glyphz as there he already has a vote and theres more chance it will be successful, since him, taka and gaius are all shifty IMHO

glyphz

02-20-2009, 18:57

Haven't logged in the last couple of days, and even now I;m pressed for time. (RL stuff)

Vote: shlin28

editing
Gut instinct, more or less. Tevash's continued silence is giving me the bad vibes, but could be nothing. I do however remember that Tevash was (one of the) first to elect shlin28 (again could be nothing, but just pointing it out)
Saw the discussion against Gaius(& me), but I do not have the time right now check on Gaius' behavior.

G2G. I should be around during the weekend

Thermal

02-20-2009, 19:50

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 19:55

Eh, this is why the town loses so many games. So many people just lurking by not posting much that it's hard to pick out the mafia. "RL stuff"...comparison to ephesus would be helpful in determining how likely this is.

Thermal

02-20-2009, 19:57

I don't necessarily believe it, but I haven't checked how frequent he has been online and there are still lurkers that haven't addressed themselves at all.

GeneralHankerchief

02-20-2009, 20:00

Voting closed.

GeneralHankerchief

02-20-2009, 20:51

Day 8

As the day dragged on, Chief of Police shlin28 gradually dropped his facial expression from that of a wicked grin (in anticipation of using his awesome lynch method on somebody) in favor of lots of nervous glances. Sweat started to run down his face as it became clear that he was in the lead in votes.

There was a lot of opposition to the shlin execution movement, however, they were utterly disorganized, every single individual throwing his vote in a different direction. Eventually, after somewhat extending the process in a last-ditch effort to survive, shlin closed the voting.

"All right," he said to the small crowd gathered in the Gameroom Park, "by a count of 5-1-1-1-1-1, I'm dead. I shall perform my final duty in the same way I have performed my other duties as Gameroom Chief of Police: to the full extent of my abilities."

The Chief's "aides" all broke out into tears, running over to their boss and "consoling" him for a couple of minutes before shlin finally motioned them away. With lipstick all over his face, shlin, now wearing a slight grin, made the announcement to the crowd what the execution would be.

"Okay folks," he said, "I have here four small hot air balloons. Each balloon will be tied, via rope, to one of my limbs. Naturally, these balloons will float, taking me along with them. Now, I'm sure you people that voted for me will be happy to join in the next part. You'll notice the ten cannons nearby? It will be your job to load them with fireworks as well as sharks with frickin' lasers. These cannons have been set at a precise angle, so don't mess with 'em. Most likely I will die due to shark bites, the lasers, or the explosions from the fireworks. However, in case I don't, there is still a backup plan." He pointed to an open-ceiling salt hut slowly dissolving in the Gameroom Pond.

"Boombox guy, 'Taps', if you please", shlin said, and the man with the boombox obliged, even saluting the soon-to-be-former Chief of Police.

Slowly, shlin's aides tied the four balloons' ropes to his limbs, and eventually, he rose up into the air, waving goodbye to everybody. After about a minute, he shouted down. "FIRE THE CANNONS!" All ten cannons were fired, and everybody watched as the sharks with frickin' lasers and fireworks launched right for shlin.

The lasers flashed everywhere, the fireworks exploded in a multitulde of colors, and one shark even bit a grasp of shlin's shoulder. However, aside from a few burns and bruises, shlin was pretty much unharmed. He couldn't say the same for the balloons, however, as they were all ruined due to the stuff fired at them.

shlin screamed as he dropped right into the open-ceilinged salt hut...

...followed by the sharks with frickin' lasers and a couple of fireworks with longer fuses than the rest. After it was all over, nobody found any trace of the former Chief of Police's body.

Everybody was about to go home, however, the clouds opened up and a beam of sunlight descended upon Reenk Roink. Reenk, just as confused as everyone else, looked around in shock.

"I feel oddly compelled to go to shlin's office and assume his former position," he said, unsure of the words coming out of his mouth. Nobody else had a problem with that, and they all went their separate ways.

Day 8 tally:

shlin28: 5 (pevergreen, taka, Beefy187, Gaius Scribonius Curio, glyphz) :skull:
Andres: 1 (Reenk Roink) (Reenk forgot to unvote, thus leaving his vote on Andres valid.)
glyphz: 1 (White_eyes:D)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Chaotix27)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 (Andres)
taka: 1 (777Ares777)

Abstained: 2 (shlin28, Quintus.JC)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (11)
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reenk Roink has been selected at random to be the new Chief of Police. Your execution orders are due, sir. :yes:

Reenk Roink

02-20-2009, 21:04

Oh My God. :shocked2: My self lynchings have to be the least effectual ever. I mean I didn't even get this vote to count. :wall:

I cannot believe you guys let me go just because I vote for myself and made a give up post! Come on, it could have easily been a trick! :laugh4: :wall: Too bad the Godfather didn't choose me. :2thumbsup:

I didn't want to see shlin go, but I will say this you did a great job sir, much better than I could have done (and now it's on me :wall:). You made the game funny and I enjoyed your humorous posts even when there were times of tension. You also did a good job of defending yourself and I for one believed you. :bow::bow::bow::bow:

Atpg: about that quote sorry there was supposed to be a laugh smiley there, it was meant as a good hearted tease and I'm really sorry because it did sound mean. :disappointed: :wall: :shame:

I still am not a fan of SkyNet though. ~;p

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 21:06

Hahah, perfect!

shlin28

02-20-2009, 21:30

Ha, it was all a ruse! I used the explosion to cover up my escape!

Now with the 10000000 trillion dollars I won from ATPG, I shall live happily ever after in a tropic island in the middle of nowhere with my loyal "assistants"!

:smash:

TinCow

02-20-2009, 21:36

I think removing Reenk's ability to vote is a positive thing. No offense, Reenk. :bow:

With shlin dead and the game not over, I am currently out suspects. The rest of you living people all look a bit scummy to me, so I shall sit back and observe for a while. I'll speak up if I see something worth mentioning, but will keep quiet otherwise.

Reenk Roink

02-20-2009, 21:45

I think removing Reenk's ability to vote is a positive thing. No offense, Reenk. :bow:

None taken :laugh4: :bow:, though I think you will pleasantly (or not ~;p) surprised... :wink: :2thumbsup:

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 21:50

I call for Taka or Glyphz's head next round.

Unless they got something to say.

Edit: someone should probably carry on Seamus' good work, anyone? ATPG, Tincow?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-20-2009, 21:55

I call for Taka or Glyphz's head next round.

Unless they got something to say.

What have you had to say?

Quintus.JC

02-20-2009, 22:09

What have you had to say?

Not much...

Taka has made 15 posts in total in this game

omg so much analysis. i've no time today to look through it, but as i said i want to

vote: shlin

because of his non-helpfulness as "supposedly" head of town

Contributes to the death of Shlin

for now i'll hear to reenk's plea and

vote: Seamus
.

Contributed to the death of Seamus

vote: Tevashszat

Part of the band that got Tevash, but then again he was dead anyway after failling to fake a PM in time.

since u sooo want to get yourself lynched

vote: sigurd

Contributes to the death of Sigurd.

Taka's got blood all over his hands, and he has lurked to mafia victories in the past by being inactive and using RL as an excuse.

TinCow

02-20-2009, 22:17

Edit: someone should probably carry on Seamus' good work, anyone? ATPG, Tincow?

Won't be me. Though they were very well done, I didn't see anything useful in those analyses. As someone (Sasaki?) pointed out, even deviation from normal posting frequency didn't seem to indicate innocence or guilt for anyone. I think most of the Org mafia players have simply gotten too sophisticated to be caught by such a system.

White_eyes:D

02-20-2009, 22:37

Won't be me. Though they were very well done, I didn't see anything useful in those analyses. As someone (Sasaki?) pointed out, even deviation from normal posting frequency didn't seem to indicate innocence or guilt for anyone. I think most of the Org mafia players have simply gotten too sophisticated to be caught by such a system.

another thing that has got us by the :daisy: is that.....we messed up....shlin never should have been lynched....I am more worried about the lurkers...many who are left have not really said much...:inquisitive: we also scrambled our votes EVERYWHERE....makes it easier for the Godfather and his grunts(?) to hide.....:no:

Andres

02-20-2009, 22:41

TinCow

02-20-2009, 23:03

I am more worried about the lurkers...many who are left have not really said much...:inquisitive: we also scrambled our votes EVERYWHERE....makes it easier for the Godfather and his grunts(?) to hide.....:no:

If nothing suspicious/incriminating can be found in the posts of people who are active, it's probably decent advice to lynch the lurkers.

Beefy187

02-21-2009, 00:35

If we're going for a lurker, then I strongly advice to take out Curio.

I won't be able to vote though, since I'll be out of town from tomorrow morning until Monday afternoon/evening, with no internet.

I will be inactive from the 24-25 as I got my Uni entrance exam :sweatdrop:
Thats just incase you need me.

Why do you think Curio is guilty?

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-21-2009, 12:02

@ Beefy: Apparently my last post was 'scummy'.

Andres: Everything you have said in response to ATPG's questions with regards to your accusations against is true. It was neutral, it was complimentary to others, and I voted when the post itself seemed to come to very little actual conclusion. To these particular points I shall respond.

Neutrality: Since when have I not been neutral. I'm not the sort of person that bandwagons shamelessly, I don't tend to hold grudges, I certainly don't tend to aggressively go after people (except in exceptional circumstances, as discussed below). I prefer to give everything that I am considering at the time a thought or explanation, and if I am undecided then I shall say quite openly, that I'm undecided. I'm also just the sort of obnoxious person that thinks they are always right and doesn't like being contradicted, as such I attempt to think of any major challenges to my thoughts that may arise, and post them too, so noone can go, 'I told you so...'

Compliments/ Flattery: As my friends say I want to be loved. A major character fault in these sort of games I know. Mafia VIII I went after disco quite hard (I was mafia), and he rebuked me quite harshly. I immediately sent him a PM apologising for my harsh words, but asking for a more concilatory defence (he also posted as such in the thread if I recall correctly). In fact I dislike anybody acting aggressively towards me, as such I tend to be very concilatory, and if I think that somebody deserves congratulations, or a defence then I shall oblige. In fact the only time that I've acted quite aggressively were in Mafia VIII (mafiosi) and the latter stages of Midgard II (where you are quite correct LG I was a god, and part of a townie network that had been infiltrated, I knew this and was trying desperately to find out how everything had collapsed so quickly, leading to me attempting to destroy the network from the inside, it didn't work well....).

Voting: Possibly your best point. Yes based on my points and the neutral tone the most likely option would have been an abstain. However at the time, my line of thought was that a vote for someone would be better than no vote. The most persuausive argument that had been made that day was by Tincow against Shlin, and nobody has given any thought to my suspicions of Quintus (ergo to vote for him again would be a wasted vote...).

The only other thing people seem to hold against me is my lurking. Since lurking is reading and observing whilst saying nothing, I say to you look at the times I've been online, and how often I have spent observing. I've been working almost every day and have sporting commitments, but I haven't not missed a vote and have at least acknowledged my presence when I haven't posted a thought out opinion. I can see where this in itself is an issue, but rest assured that next week when I'm back at uni, and not working so much my activity level will jump. Be back tomorrow...

Quintus.JC

02-21-2009, 13:23

Won't be me. Though they were very well done, I didn't see anything useful in those analyses. As someone (Sasaki?) pointed out, even deviation from normal posting frequency didn't seem to indicate innocence or guilt for anyone. I think most of the Org mafia players have simply gotten too sophisticated to be caught by such a system.

True, but at least its giving the players some direction to go to. Right now none of the living players looks particular guilty, and no one’s really sure what to do. Seems most people are satisfied with lynching a lurker right now.

GeneralHankerchief

02-21-2009, 20:13

Night 8

Chaotix27 was living in the newly built, Gameroom bomb shelter prepared by the previous Chief of Police for his own protection. After the recent bombing of LittleGrizzly and over half of his neighborhood with it, Chaotix27 was more then a little nervous about having visitors. He waited by the corner of the bomb shelter telling himself, "The Godfather is dead, yes, we lynched him today there's nothing to fear" holding his knees and rocking back and forth while saying this.

Then he heard a knock on the bomb shelters vault door almost giving him a heart attack. "Who is it? what do you want? are you with the Mafia?" Chaotix27 blurted out. The person behind the vault door responded with "No, I was just dropping by to tell you that the Godfather has been confirmed lynched, and we are all stopping by the new Chief of Polices house, to have some drinks". "Rea-really?" Chaotix27 stuttered, "yeah" said the voice behind the door. After this, the voice behind the door said "are you gonna come or what?" Chaotix27 responded with "OK, just give me a minute to open the vault door".

When he opened the vault door, he saw the voice that spoke from behind the door was a man in a business suit and hat. "Ready to go and die?" the man asked. Chaotix27 tried to shut the vault door but was too late as the man readied a switch blade and quickly ran towards him, Chaotix27 saw this and then tried to protect himself by grabbing the mans hands. The man saw this and moved the blade swiftly towards Chaotix27 throat, cutting it cleanly as if he had done it a hundred times before. As Chaotix27 started choking to death on his own blood, the man merely whistled quietly to himself, while preparing something in the center of the bomb shelter. Twenty minutes later there was a HUGE explosion coming from the bomb shelter, that was felt across the gameroom. All that was found at the scene was a DVD entitled "For Reenk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLAyG3gKYg)", just outside the bomb shelter.

Chief of Police Reenk Roink knew nothing of this, however, as he was deep within the catacombs of shlin28's old office, making preparations. Of course he knew that there would be a murder; the confirmation of such would only waste time. Reenk would be efficient, if nothing else.

Nobody knew where Reenk was though, until an incedibly-magnified voice boomed throughout the Gameroom, easily drowning out the sound of the "Atom Heart Mother Suite" by Pink Floyd, coming from the boombox.

"COME TO THE GAMEROOM SQUARE," the announcement boomed. "YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO." Everybody obliged, and the voting began.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (10)
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28

shlin28

02-21-2009, 20:18

No music video for me? I feel so unwanted ~:mecry:

Reenk Roink

02-21-2009, 20:20

I don't like post grunge very much, but thank you for the gesture anyway. Thanks for getting rid of Chaotix too in such a blatantly obvious way that it clears me much better than I could do myself. :bow:

I URGE EVERYONE TO VOTE ANDRES

Sasaki Kojiro

02-21-2009, 20:23

Town's been shooting itself in the foot the last couple days. I do believe glyphz and curio should be up next--curio despite his putting LW into the lead. I would have to reread the circumstances of that anyway.

edit: when this game is over I'm going to post a rant about townies who don't post enough to reveal anything about themselves. It's hard to get a clear picture of about half the people remaining. Glyphz is #1 imo.

shlin28

02-21-2009, 20:24

Why Andres?

I thought you were gunning for Chaotix? Obviously he's dead now... but why Andres?

Thermal

02-21-2009, 20:56

vote: glyphz
Severe lurking, then you prove your still active enough to be mafia and get them kills in.
:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:

TinCow

02-21-2009, 21:06

I'm going to support Reenk here. As noted before, I think the songs are GH's attempts to give the town hints. Lyrics for the latest song:

Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.
Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.
Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.
Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.
Blinding signs flap,
Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.
Stairway scare Dan dare who's there?
Lime and limpid green, the sounds around
The icy waters under
Lime and limpid green, the sounds around
The icy waters underground.

The bolded bits are the only things that seem significant to me. Green. Green can mean two things in the context of this game: Moderators or pevergreen. The only moderator left alive is Andres.

FoS: Andres and pevergreen

Sasaki Kojiro

02-21-2009, 21:13

Last time GH left clues in the writeup it was to reveal late in the game that he'd left the detective out. I doubt he decide to reveal the godfather in one song when none of the others have fit that pattern. Besides I don't see a basis for the assumption you made that the limpid green line is the important one. What about "Stars can frighten"? This could imply that the town is pursuing "mafia stars" who have done well in previous games.

TinCow

02-21-2009, 23:22

I do agree it's not the best evidence, and I wouldn't lynch on the basis of the songs alone. However, I seem to recall that GH expressed after Mafia VIII (or whatever game it was) that he thought he had made the clues too hard. I would expect his clues to be slightly easier in this game because of that. Also, GH isn't necessarily hinting at the Godfather. He could very well be pointing out the nude unicyclist or something else related to the 'twist.' It's even possible that 2 or 3 mafioso are still alive (if 3, they've been cleverly sticking to 1 kill per night to mislead us). If this is indeed pointing to Andres or pevergreen, they could simply be a grunt. Finally, while you have a point about the 'stars can frighten' bit, I think that's nowhere near as prominent a theme in the song as the green bit. The stars bit occurs twice, the green occurs four times. If the song is meant to tell us something, I would place money on it being the dominant theme of the song, not something vague.

Chaotix

02-22-2009, 00:24

Bah. I suppose I was probably going to die sometime during this game anyway.

The kill write-up in fact does make it blatantly obvious that someone is trying to frame Reenk. At best, we can trust Reenk a bit more. At worst, it's total WIFOM. I'd put it at 50-50 whether Reenk is innocent now. I could totally see Reenk framing himself to make himself look innocent.

Either way, I don't think Andres is the best choice. We should go after one of the lurkers, but I doubt anyone is going to vote for Reenk at this point.

Beefy187

02-22-2009, 00:37

We have 4 more opportunities to lynch if there is only GF left
3 more if theres one grunt and GF
2 more if theres two grunt and GF

Round of applause to Beefy for his outstanding math skills and fact that he realize GF implies girlfriend instead of God Father.

There is two obvious lurkers around, which is taka and glyphz.
I don't like lurkers.. there is players like Roadkill, Tevash and taka on the Org who are very clever silent killers. Glyphz has also won in the past just by not talking at all..

Someone who I will not vote for are Reenk and Pevergreen. I don't think the host will randomly choose a GF to be the CoP. That will be severely unfair for the town. YLC showed suicidal behavior which almost got him self lynched. However the mafia kill so far was not something like we witnessed in Chicago, going after suspects. I think mafia we are looking for are cautious player who won't risk suicidal moves like that.

As for the rest of us... They all look scummy but taka and glyphz stands out for me.

FoS: taka and glyphz

for now. Ill vote them later

Chaotix

02-22-2009, 03:06

Someone who I will not vote for are Reenk and Pevergreen. I don't think the host will randomly choose a GF to be the CoP. That will be severely unfair for the town.
for now. Ill vote them later

Err... not to shoot holes in your logic, there, but I think the point of it being a random selection of the CoP means there is an equal chance of mafia being chosen as anyone else. The selection was "random", not "random except for the Godfather".

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-22-2009, 03:19

Reenk's selection as CoP does not exonerate him at all, as Chaotix has pointed out. However I don't think he is guilty.

Following Quintus's post I'm going to Vote:Taka. Quintus and Beefy together make a good case for him being a 'silent' killer.

Haven't got much time today, but I'll be back tomorrow or tuesday with an analysis of the remaining players, whether I'm lynched, or killed, in the meantime or not.

Beefy187

02-22-2009, 03:28

Err... not to shoot holes in your logic, there, but I think the point of it being a random selection of the CoP means there is an equal chance of mafia being chosen as anyone else. The selection was "random", not "random except for the Godfather".

I figured that. But if we keep on lynching the CoP...

Beside its Reenk. its REENK!

taka

02-22-2009, 07:17

i too dont believe that Reenk is mafia, or else the host is really :daisy: us up

i'm not fussed to be lynched, that will give me a bit more time to spend on the smaller games which i feel more comfortable with (less reading :laugh4:)

I'll vote: glyphz since it would be either him or me i think and i obviously know im innocent

edit:

sorry, forgot ^^

GeneralHankerchief

02-22-2009, 07:32

Bold votes please.

Beefy187

02-22-2009, 08:39

Vote: Glyphz

Least taka is here.. Glyphz isn't.

I think we need to lynch at least one.. if not all the lurkers in this game. I just hate letting people win who doesn't put in much effort..

Unless someone builds up a solid case against someone ales my vote goes for Glyphz...

glyphz

02-22-2009, 10:11

Okay, finally starting to catch up (from p. 39), but took a look first at the summary thread. This one caught my attention.
Day 7
Post 1216 of main thread.

Day 7

Today was Seamus Fermanagh's birthday. Upon informing the citizens of the Gameroom of this fact early on in the voting, everybody stopped what they were doing and threw an impromptu party for one of the town's finest residents. It was a nice little break from the frightening monotony of "witness death, face execution, repeat." Everyone had a merry time, forgetting about their fears, if only for a little while.

As the voting phase dragged on (without the Chief of Police present), so did the party. Presents were exchanged, most of them promises that would be honored should they "ever get through this". Somehow, one of the villagers even managed to get their hands on a cake that even had "Happy Birthday Seamus" written in fancy script with icing.

Seamus, honored, cut up the cake and divvied it up between the remaining villagers, saving the biggest slice for himself. What the hey, the chances were good that he was going to die the next couple of days, why not live a little? Later, someone brought back a large case of beer, probably nicked from the Elephant and Cannon Pub.

Merrily, the villagers indulged themselves, and eventually they all started to slur their voices and indulge some deep secrets. It was not uncommon to hear phrases like "You're my besht friend" and "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" choruses aimed at Seamus that day. The merrymaking continued for a few more hours, and many of the villagers had the best time they had in months, yet alone since the Mafia had began killing everybody.

Eventually, Chief of Police shlin28, looking tanner and satisfied, returned, perplexed at the scene.

"Wait, you people were having a party and no one invited me??!?!" Everybody was silent for a few seconds, and then they all burst out laughing, including shlin. After the laughter died down, the Chief of Police asked everybody if they had come to a decision.

"GUILTY!" a plurality of villagers shouted in unison, pointing their fingers at the birthday boy.

"Oh, *#%!", Seamus muttered, and trudged up to the execution platform. The party was over. Along the way, he continued muttering to himself, and then eventually lashed out at the villagers, calling them all fools, protesting his innocence. Eventually shlin had to intervene as he took hold of Seamus and dragged him forcefully the rest of the way.

"Well, at least there'll be fireworks for the party," shlin said to a thoroughly-depressed Seamus as he shoved him into the cannon. "Too bad it'll be you. Happy Birthday, Seamus," he said, grinning, as he stepped back and lit the match.

"All right, everybody," shlin said, addressing the crowd. "Three... two... one..."

BOOM!

Everybody cheered as Seamus Fermanagh, the day's final festivity, was spectacularly launched into the night, shooting far and wide, and eventually out of everybody's sight. The next town over, in his office, Vincenzo stood up with a start as a charred figure crashed through his window. Recognizing the body as Seamus's, he raised one eyebrow.

Day 7 tally:

Seamus Fermanagh: 4 (Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, taka, White_eyes:D) :skull:
shlin28: 3 (Andres, Quintus.JC, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Chaotix27, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
taka: 1 (pevergreen)

Abstained: 3 (shlin28, glyphz, Beefy187)
Didn't vote: 1 (777Ares777)

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (13)
shlin28
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
glyphz
Beefy187
taka
LittleGrizzly
Gaius Scribonius Curio
The more I read this, the more I think Seamus was the last grunt. This was a lynch write-up, so no tampering.
Doubt Vincenzo being included (in the write-up) was random. Him recognizing Seamus means something, IMO. I think this event implies that he's now by himself.

Next night N7...
[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2143958]Post 1251 of main thread.

Night 7

LittleGrizzly was sitting at his home watching T.V. When he heard a knock on the door. He was no fool though, after all the murders that had taken place he had a deadbolt chain-locked door to prevent intruders and stayed away from windows, so he wouldn't be shot by a sniper. He didn't want to be a easy kill, so he answered the door carefully.

When he opened the door with the chain on, there was a man in a business suit, who looked real down. Letting his guard down, he let the man in as he said he had something he wanted to discuss and it was "life threatening". LittleGrizzly was no fool though, he had the man sit on his couch and wait while he went to get some "snacks" which in this case, was a twelve gauge shotgun. Then he came back, only to find him gone. "Damn, I might have let the killer slip though our fingers", growled LittleGrizzly, he then found a box where the man had sat down. Curiosity got the better of him and he decided to open it up and KABLOOEE!! his house, along with several others were wiped off the Gameroom map. Once again, all the Chief of Police found when he arrived was a DVD entitled 'For Seamus' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8h9Wf7LjU), along with massive destruction.

Chief of Police shlin28, after watching and then discarding the DVD, was very annoyed. He had been hard at work all through the night and even the day, creating his greatest lynch method yet in the Gameroom Park. He had been "in the zone", so to speak, and having to drive to the murder scene to deal with yet another explosion had taken him out of his element. Whoever was to get executed tonight had better deserve every second of the awesomeness shlin was about to unleash, strictly for interrupting his work, yet alone killing off most of the town.

After a couple more labor-intensive hours, shlin finally took a step back, looked over at the man with a boombox playing "All My Life" by the Foo Fighters, and looked back at his work.

"There," he said, "It's done. Time to call everybody over."

Some minutes later, the villagers arrived and stared at was was before them. Despite shlin's pronouncements that this would be the greatest method of execution known to mankind, all they saw was leftover stuff from the previous few executions.

"Oh, you'll see," said shlin with a wicked grin on his face. "You will see."

...there was one kill, same as the last one, but the killer left a dedication to Seamus. There was also only 1 other case like this was Night 6: for Sasaki, and one night (N5) after he was killed by the unicyclist, who seems like a different faction from the mafia (the twist?) and seems like to be Psychonaut (:bow: if it is you).
edit: I've yet to check the links

Theory (or at least the vibes I'm getting):
Sasaki Kojiro and Seamus Fermanagh were the grunts.
Take note that both are moderators (green) and seasoned veterans.
Question is who is the Godfather? Or who is likelier to pick Sasaki and Seamus (as his cohorts)?
~:handball:
Someone who has at least played w/ both? Don't know how much it would narrow the field, even if it were a legitimate question.

Still alive:
pevergreen (GH not allowing YLC to be WoG-ed due to inactivity... A role? Then again, if my theory fits, why would YLC want to abandon such a role?)
777Ares777
Andres (as TinCow mentioned, the last moderator standing. Could he have masterminded a green 'rush' against the blues?)
Quintus.JC (unless I'm mistaken, you've put quite an effort to push attention to 'low-posters.' Understandable, or suspicious)
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink (a very bad coincidence if you were scum and chosen to be the replacement CoP by chance)
Beefy187 (100 posts! Then again, you tend to be in the upper tier in post count in games. Still..)
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Veteran, but do not know much regarding your behavior, thus I cannot judge your activity)My guesses, but I have doubts about its accuracy. I would appreciate someone giving me a hand on this (or your thoughts, at least).

Tally:

glyphz: 2 - 777Ares777, Beefy187
taka: 1 - Gaius Scribonius Curio

more edits:
attempt at some sort of defense (or for the sake of one)...
I think my post count so far, is pretty similar to previous behavior, not very talkative or 'lurkish' if you will. Relevant or not, I have missed at least 2 votes, and could be an eligible candidate to be WoG-ed, the next time I miss another one. Wouldn't you say that is risky for someone w/ a role, esp. one of the last remaining scum/s?

Anyway, I'd pick between Andres and pevergreen, but em still undecided. Heck, if town (still thinks I'm dubious) wants it, i'll stop posting and (eventually) get WoG-ed. I'd be fine w/ it, and I'd be in every sense be truly LURKING.

Quintus.JC

02-22-2009, 11:21

FoS: taka and glyphz

for now. Ill vote them later

I still don’t trust Curio, he probably isn’t classified as a lurker, but some of his posts just seemed to stay off the radar.

Reenk's selection as CoP does not exonerate him at all, as Chaotix has pointed out. However I don't think he is guilty.

Following Quintus's post I'm going to Vote:Taka. Quintus and Beefy together make a good case for him being a 'silent' killer.

Haven't got much time today, but I'll be back tomorrow or tuesday with an analysis of the remaining players, whether I'm lynched, or killed, in the meantime or not.

The above post really complies with Andres’ suspicion of him; slightly lurky, not offering his full opinion, Curio is normally much more in depth than this. Also the neutral tone in his posts, he has been off the radar throughout the game, with the exception of Andres no one has really put any pressure on him.

i too dont believe that Reenk is mafia, or else the host is really :daisy:'ing us up

i'm not fussed to be lynched, that will give me a bit more time to spend on the smaller games which i feel more comfortable with (less reading :laugh4:)

I'll vote: glyphz since it would be either him or me i think and i obviously know im innocent

Taka’s defence is consistent with all the other games – busy in RealLife. And he genuinely doesn’t seems too fussed about getting lynched either, so I’m less certain about him.

Theory (or at least the vibes I'm getting):
Sasaki Kojiro and Seamus Fermanagh were the grunts.
Take note that both are moderators (green) and seasoned veterans.
Question is who is the Godfather? Or who is likelier to pick Sasaki and Seamus (as his cohorts)?
~:handball:
Someone who has at least played w/ both? Don't know how much it would narrow the field, even if it were a legitimate question.

Sasaki and Seamus would both be extremely dangerous picks since both are seasoned veterans, and therefore too obvious to be picked, but then they would be great picks because no one would be risky enough to pick them. I still think its unlikely that a person would pick both of them to be grunts though.

This is officially the first game I’ve played with Sasaki. Mafia VIII really shouldn’t count since it was my first mafia game and I practically got lost between all the FOS and the WOGs. :sweatdrop:

attempt at some sort of defense (or for the sake of one)...
I think my post count so far, is pretty similar to previous behavior, not very talkative or 'lurkish' if you will. Relevant or not, I have missed at least 2 votes, and could be an eligible candidate to be WoG-ed, the next time I miss another one. Wouldn't you say that is risky for someone w/ a role, esp. one of the last remaining scum/s?

Your post count and pattern is very similar to previous behaviour, problem is with this style you’ ve evaded attention and got to the end game as mafia countless times. Everyone remembers Ephesus, you also lurked in Whisper in the Night as mafia and got the last round (in the form of a perfect silence killer as well), with a team of Stonecutters you also survived the Simpsons mafia and emerged victorious after killing all the townsfolks.

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 11:41

glyphz

02-22-2009, 11:53

Sasaki and Seamus would both be extremely dangerous picks since both are seasoned veterans, and therefore too obvious to be picked, but then they would be great picks because no one would be risky enough to pick them. I still think its unlikely that a person would pick both of them to be grunts though.Unlikely you might say, but my theory stems from the write-up progression (lynch write-ups > kill write-ups), more notable in the separate Summary thread, where it filters out the 'noise.':wink: IMO, in such a classic game, reliable info comes out of write-ups (again, lynch write-ups > kill write-ups) & authentic detective reveal (sigh). I do suggest reading the write-ups in order, Sasaki's and especially Seamus' circumstances ('death,' 'post-death') are unique and IMO obvious 'tells.'

Your post count and pattern is very similar to previous behaviour, problem is with this style you’ ve evaded attention and got to the end game as mafia countless times. Everyone remembers Ephesus, you also lurked in Whisper in the Night as mafia and got the last round (in the form of a perfect silence killer as well), with a team of Stonecutters you also survived the Simpsons mafia and emerged victorious after killing all the townsfolks.The defense (or an excuse for one) was for the sake of one, other than "I'm innocent!." Can't really prove it. No way I can.
You're opinion, however, is an affirmation, of what I want to act if I get scum roles: not very distinguishable when I play townie. Even if it bites me when I play games where I'm pro-town (Such as this game, dare I say:wink:).

Beefy187

02-22-2009, 12:08

So I accuse Glyphz and he shows up with a great analysis :wall:

Unvote: Glyphz

For now.. I'm lost again...

pevergreen

02-22-2009, 12:13

So I accuse Glyphz and he shows up with a great analysis :wall:

Unvote: Glyphz

For now.. I'm lost again...

Simply analysing does not mean he is innocent. Good defences can come from mafia. That is what he is doing, defending himself.

Vote: Glyphz

Just to put the pressure back on. :wink:

I'm still looking at you Ares.

glyphz

02-22-2009, 12:22

Simply analysing does not mean he is innocent. Good defences can come from mafia. That is what he is doing, defending himself.

Vote: Glyphz

Just to put the pressure back on. :wink:

I'm still looking at you Ares.Vote away.
But I tell you, 'that' was not much of a defense. Contribution was my priority, the defense was an edit/add-on, didn't originally plan on posting one. I don't plan of defendding myself further.
I must, however, ask your opinion regarding my analysis?

Quintus.JC

02-22-2009, 12:28

Right now I'm considerating putting my vote on either Glyphz or Curio...

Since many have already voted for Glyphz I will vote: Curio, he won't he able to defend himself because of inactivities but at least I'm the first one to vote for him.

Beefy187

02-22-2009, 12:30

Another failure on my part.

I am going to commit seppuku and shut up. But frankly I think Reenk is a good choice.

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Good play by the mafia in this one. Lurkers are also fine with me.

Im willing to let Reenk go.. I honestly don't think the host will put him on CoP duty. I don't think ill be damaged much if Reenk managed to win. His been nice to me, and his been playing extremely risky game for a GF.

glyphz wouldn't be too bad for a lynch. He might be mafia and even his not, we can count on his further contribution with his analysis.

taka and Ares scares me. They don't smell at all like a scum to me.

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 12:42

EDIT: Deleted. See SkyNet below.

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 13:28

I accuse 777Ares777

The spoiler is the complete list of your actions, more or less, in the game. it has not been formatted for easy viewing, so I am going to follow Andres and Tincow's advice and skip down to the HUMANISH version:
777Ares777

Page 1: nothing
Page 2: Elected shlin28, made baby-eating jokes.
Page 3: Says that baby leg eaters should commit suicide.
Abstains.
Page 4: Votes glyphz for bad vote reason.
"I would also mention, that some clever mafia point out clues that involve themselves, as if to deflect suspicion on that topic away from themselves, pointing out a clue could be good analyzing or it could be in association with the persons role."
"That would seem scummy, and i would be tempted to vote for sasaki for evening doing that...."
Ares has trouble with proper grammar and spelling.
"Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar..."
Defends Beefy and talks about the night writeups spelling mistakes.
post 273 the same.
Votes Sasaki instead for trying to save himself. Makes a stink when people ignore that.
Page 5:
Continues hammering Sasaki.
"perry mason? mason? does this suggest we have masons? (a townie pair) maybe the boombox guy and the nude unicyclist are the masons, seeing as that unicyclist keeps being mentioned."
Good analysis.

Again questions Sasaki.

Asks the unicyclist and boombox guy to claim.

Page 6
Votes TinCow
"Mafia would logically kill off the active, so bye bye me, ATPG, tincow and andres "
Nothing else page 6.

Not much page 7.

Nothing page 8.

Comes back page 9 and accuses Ignoramus and YLC.

Accuses me, too.

Gives evidence I might be scum post 704

Votes YLC (defends me for some reason...)

TINCOWS ANALYSIS 745:
"Triple number 111 indicates 777Ares777?"

Not much activity pages 10 and 11.

Defends both people on the chopping block. 805.

Vote: TevashSzat... sucks up to me AFTER suggesting I was scum!

ABSTAINS!

Page 12: Is "convinced I am innocent", yes.

If Ares were the Godfather, he sees his chance at victory here. By sucking up to me and clearing me, he assumes I will overlook him. Good assumption.

Votes tevash again to bandwagon him/ follow me. Something the Godfather would do.

Page 14: Again accuses Sasaki.

Nothing page 15.

Page 16
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2143766&postcount=1245

If he were the Godfather, given what happened all game, this is exactly the sort of thing he would post.

"BAH! JUST POSTED LOADS AND MY BROWSER FROZE!
~ from what ive read (and im not bothering with punctuation, the quicker i retype this the better!)

sorry for my unintentional lurking fest

~Seamus did not look suspicious too me at all

~lurkers shouldnt be let off the hook, glyphz and taka, lurkers here, have won as mafia in other games recently via lurking, so top suspects

@pevergreen
why the vendetta against me?

@white eyes
why are you convinced reenk is the boombox guy? i doubt both of the park inhabitants were innocent, could the boombox guy be the godfather?

@ATPG
ylc/pevergreen do not look that innocent to me, why do you continually defend him, with so little evidence? Also I wouldnt want to be chief of police, im not a good boss and I'd hate to have my privilege of voting took away, thanks"

refuses the Chief of Police role. Gives excuse (browser froze) for not doing more. Precisely the same excuse Rythmic gave in Family Guy.

Defends Beefy.

Lazy analysis post 1252

Page 17
Votes glyphz, a lurker.

1351
"Chances are most of the actives, shlin, reenk etc are likely innocent"

Votes Taka. here right before the night phase.

Page 18:
Votes glyphz/lurking.

Early game: Lots of jokes and activity. Has trouble with grammar and spelling. Defends Beefy187 and talks about the game writeups. Begins hammering Sasaki Kojiro. Doesn't let up on him for a while.

Early/middle game:
Activity drops off substantially. He posts once or twice a page, and is absent for long periods. Lazily accuses YLC and Ignoramus, who both turn out to be innocent or 99% innocent.

Accuses me, which is fine. But then he suddenly does an about face and gets a stroke of genius: Defend Askthepizzaguy.

Middle/late game:
Nothing much in activity pages 10 or 11. Is "convinced I am innocent" page 12 (80ppp)

Totally bandwagons TevashSzat and follows my lead completely. At this point he drops below everyone's radar, allowing me to make a giant mess of things while he starts to lurk.

Late game:
Defends beefy some more later... does a lazy analysis post 1252, and starts voting lurkers.

He is very adamant and outspoken about his belief that the heavy posters are innocent (convenient, since he's a heavy poster) and the lurkers must be guilty.

_____________

Activity:
He was here for every single night phase, from my earlier activity report on shlin28... where I wasn't even focused on him! I was very thorough for a reason...

voting pattern:

D1 = Sigurd, changed to Shlin.
D2 = abstained but then switched to glyphz and Sasaki
D2 runoff between Ichigo and Seamus = no vote
D3 = Tincow, but switched to Sigurd
D4 = no vote (imputed abstention)
D5 = ylc
D5 runoff between Tevash and Pizza = Tevash, switched to abstain (post Tevash detective reveal)
D6 = Tevash
D7 = no vote (imputed abstention)

he does some bold votes in the early game, but later on he starts abstaining more, and bandwagoning more, and voting for the lurkers.

Analysis: the character of his voting has changed to suit his needs. Instead of doing proper analyses, he sees fit to abstain (less suspicion on him that way) or bandwagon the lurkers or the people I have accused.

Bottom line:

His activity during all the night phases is a tell. His early accuse of me, followed by a sudden reversal, followed by massive amounts of "post-lurking" (lurk, lurk, lurk, quickpost, disappear) shows that he wants to lurk and not gain attention, but not get fingered for lurking. He's made a point of arguing that people who post more are innocent.

Ever since I did my earlier judgment call that he was innocent, he's been basically sucking up to me. He's been gliding through the game with no suspicion on him of note, he's been very active but hasn't contributed that much, especially in the late game where he's been forced to make big decisions which he's backed off from.

From this, if he were the Godfather, his strategy seems obvious. Show up and do your night murders, and lurk during the day, do a lazy post here and there to keep the post count high enough, support the bandwagon on most everyone I've accused, and pick on the lurkers.

Is he scum? This isn't proof. However. If he were the Godfather, this would explain a lot.

Refuses the Chief of Police role. Gives excuse (browser froze) for not doing more. Precisely the same excuse Rythmic gave in Family Guy.

He's never had any real heat on him. His mafia scum partners would probably have avoided mentioning him altogether, and if they did mention him, they never would have gone after him.

He's the top candidate at the moment to be the Godfather.

White_eyes:D

02-22-2009, 13:55

Once again everybody seems to have there own ideas who is guilty.....feels like "Chicago Soiree" all over again......:sweatdrop::thumbsdown:

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 13:56

Say the word, White_eyes, and I will stop posting.

White_eyes:D

02-22-2009, 13:58

No at least your giving me some back-up thoughts.....I was going to vote taka.....but now....not so sure....:sweatdrop:

CountArach

02-22-2009, 13:58

Accuses me, which is fine. But then he suddenly does an about face and gets a stroke of genius: Defend Askthepizzaguy.
This to me seems like the most damning piece of evidence and I would think that an explanation is in order.

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 14:02

No at least your giving me some back-up thoughts.....I was going to vote taka.....but now....not so sure....:sweatdrop:

Folks, if you will bear with me, I am almost done doing my small part of this game. All I can do is a lot of legwork. You must decide. This is my FINAL SkyNet analysis for this game. If, after this, I fail to produce the Godfather, I am scrapping SkyNet forever.

And, when I am done doing this final analysis, I will drop off the face of the earth.

To give more on why refusing to be the CoP is scummy:

What townie does that? What mafia does that, you say?

He knows the mafia have fewer votes when that happens. He wants to control the endgame. He does not want to give up that control. Nor does he want to be in the spotlight. What townie would pass up a chance to be one of the final 3 remaining?

Only the mafia would refuse to be the CoP, so far as I can tell. Pose your reasons why any one of you townies would refuse. It's an offer you can't refuse. True, eventually he couldn't choose... but I have a feeling he protested his case to GH, who said "randomly".

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 14:24

Taka
Nothing page 2
3: Votes Ichigo
4: Nothing
5: Nothing
6: Abstains, promises to contribute more later. Makes himself lynchbait.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2133589&postcount=586

Basically points out that lurking will get him killed.
Post 599... good point.
Votes Sigurd.

Lots of votes and pressure on Taka, but no one defends him and he doesn't stop lurking.
I could end my analysis right here. Taka does a capper vote on Sigurd, very risky move if the Godfather

More pressure on Taka by page 9.
10: nothing
11. Votes: TevashSzat. Tevash FOS'es Taka. Lord Winter FOS'es Taka.

Hold it right there.
I think we agree that Tevash and Lord Winter seem like scum. They both FoS'ed Taka. Taka has been under pressure all game for lurking, and hasn't bothered to defend himself. He hasn't been murdered because he's lynchbait. He doesn't care if he dies. He makes a "too risky" move by being one of the deciding votes on Sigurd.

Chance of being scum is too low, given the other suspects and how people haven't defended him at all. I even suggested it would be OK to lynch all the lurkers before the game is over. I never fully cleared him, I said lynch him before the game is over. No one reacted. No one cares if he dies.

He's innocent, if the reasoning holds. Feel free to correct me or tell me to shush up.

glyphz:

Glyphz:

Page 2: Elects TinCow
Page 3: Random votes Ares, switches to Chaotix for what seems like legitimate "post in front of me... oops, wrong person" reasons.
Page 4: Ares asks glyphz to suicide vote because technically, he was the post in front of him. Then Ares votes glyphz with no real reasoning.
Votes Seamus to give us a choice besides Ichigo, as I said before.
Page 5: nothing
6: Tally
7: nothing
8: Chaotix votes glyphz for lurking. he never protests this.
9: Post 663 he presents a defense.
10: Tally
11: Nothing
12: Votes for me due to Tevash's reveal. Asks me to continue postmortem.
Votes Tevash to tie. Debates the merits of my case. Warns me that he could vote me again because my case is unravelling. Goes back to sleep.
13: Makes a note that if Tevash doesn't reveal soon, it's probably a forged PM.
14: Abstains.
15: Is questioned and gives a response:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2141576&postcount=1175
16: Ares accuses glyphz of being a top suspect.
Others pressure vote glyphz, but the dog isn't barking. QJC doesnt trust him.
17: Ares votes glyphz.
Votes shlin28 on fair reasoning. Capper vote on shlin28.
18: QJC calls for Taka or glyphz' head. Sasaki's top suspect.
Ares votes glyphz again.
Taka votes glyphz.
White Eyes FOS' Taka and glyphz.
Beefy votes glyphz.

His final defense:
"attempt at some sort of defense (or for the sake of one)...
I think my post count so far, is pretty similar to previous behavior, not very talkative or 'lurkish' if you will. Relevant or not, I have missed at least 2 votes, and could be an eligible candidate to be WoG-ed, the next time I miss another one. Wouldn't you say that is risky for someone w/ a role, esp. one of the last remaining scum/s?

Anyway, I'd pick between Andres and pevergreen, but em still undecided. Heck, if town (still thinks I'm dubious) wants it, i'll stop posting and (eventually) get WoG-ed. I'd be fine w/ it, and I'd be in every sense be truly LURKING."
Activity: Active 3 nights out of 6 that I analyzed.

Voting pattern:

Seamus 2a
didnt vote 3
Capper on Sigurd day 4
Abstains 5
Tevash 5a (to tie)
Abstains 6
Abstains 7
Capper on Shlin day 8

Analysis:
Lurks most of the game, but makes risky CAPPER votes frequently. Thats risky for the Godfather because anyone who makes a decisive vote is suspicious when the game continues. Especially if they are lurking. And that's fair, but not always correct reasoning to suspect someone.

He's been under fire all game, and does not care. NO ONE IS DEFENDING HIM.

He's been inactive totally 3 nights out of 6 that I looked at. Not proof, but it's interesting.

And finally, his voting pattern is just... risky. Abstaining means you let town decide who dies. Capper votes make you a suspect.

So what if he lurked to victory in other games? He knows no one will let him do that again. Fellows, the cojones on glyphz if he were the Godfather, based on this evidence, tells me something.

But go ahead and lynch him with my blessing for lurking.

Thats the analysis of our top 2 lurkers. Make of it what you will.

White_Eyes:

2: Elects Reenk
3: lynch method suggestion
4: Abstains, then Votes Ichigo
A deciding vote so early on a townie? Unlikely to be Godfather.
Page 5: Good analysis of the writeups and game in general starts here. See post 375.
6: Votes Lord Winter. Doesn't let up on him. Talks to me without hesitation.
More important than being a capper vote, he votes Lord Winter before he was doomed, unlike me
7: One of White_eyes' previous writeups is used.
Page 9: Came to similar conclusions as me, and encouraged my analysis.
Page 11: Unwilling to trust either me, or Sasaki. Votes for me over Tevash.
Questions Ignoramus for popping up at this critical vote... naturally.
Questions my analysis because it is biased. Thanks me for trying anyway.
Page 13: Thinks unicyclist is the vigilante, and hammers Reenk.
14: Votes Seamus.
15: Next round, follows up on Seamus. CAPPER VOTE ON SEAMUS.
Invites Seamus to investigate him.
16: Votes lurker glyphz.
17: Still has a sense of humor.

Voting:

1: Reenk election
2 Abstain
2a: Ichigo
3: Lord Winter early vote
4: Abstain
5: Abstain
5a: Askthepizzaguy
6: Seamus
7: Capper vote on Seamus.
8: glyphz, lurker.

Analysis:
Destroyed a possible mafioso, abstained most of the game, targeted Seamus one round and capper voted him the next, voted glyphz for lurking. Consistent play.

Activity:

Here 5/6 nights. A little scummy, but I've been here too.

Gaius Scribonius Curio:

Elect: CountArach
3: lynch suggestion
4: Early writeup analysis.
5: Tries to be here for day phase, finds out it's night.
6: Votes White Eyes
7: Seems to be legitimately busy, but responds to questioning.
8: Compellingly responded to my accusation. Very well done.
Still doesnt find me scummy.
9: Votes Sigurd for lack of activity, late capper vote.
10: responds to my "follow the dead" idea.
Doesnt follow the crowd, offers NEW suspect: votes QJC
11: abstains
12: nothing
13: nothing
14: demands role PM from Tevash, votes QJC again.
15: Votes Reenk, quick analysis which seemed valid.
16: nothing
17: sides with me and votes Shlin. I did have a lot of reasons, ya know.

I defend GSC on this page. So if I were guilty, GSC is the Godfather... but I tried to get people to suspect him earlier. Too insane a gamble, even for me. WIFOM? Lynch him, we still have 2 more rounds. Sorry for breaking my "defend no one" rule, but I did try to kill him and the reasoning Andres gave was totally torn to shreds.

18: Votes Taka.

His final defense:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2146167&postcount=1373

Voting Pattern:

Elect Countarach day one.
2: no vote
3: White Eyes
4: Capper Sigurd
5: QJC (not with the crowd)
5a: Abstains... leaves game to chance.
6: QJC (consistent)
7: Reenk
8: Shlin

Activity:

5 nights out of the first 6

Analysis: He non-votes, abstains, and does a lot of capper votes. He also offers new and interesting suspects like White Eyes and QJC. I already defended him up and down, and we have 2 more phases I think, so I'm done trying. I believe his actions in this game have been legitimate, and no one defended him when I tore into him early on in the game.

======================

QJC:

2: Elects shlin
3: lynch method suggestions, Abstains
4: Votes Gaius Scribonius Curio as a pure OMGUS vote. Risky for the Godfather to play.
Votes Seamus instead, because it came down to him and Ichigo and the ichigo bandwagon was dumb.
5: Points out I wasnt in previous game.
6: nothing
7: Gives an analysis, and a suspect list post 550
8: Votes YLC
9: Talks to me about whether Lord Winter is conclusively scum. Appreciates first SkyNet analysis.
Votes Tevash on my reasoning, plus Lord Winter looked like scum.
10: nothing
11: Asks for more time for me, but agrees I should be lynched if I fail. votes Tevash
12: unvotes Tevash after the reveal. Gives reasons why I am a better lynch than him.
13: encourages YLC to keep playing
14: nothing
15: good reasoning on Tevash... suspects shlin. Votes shlin, says lurkers can wait.
16. wishes Seamus happy b-day. Wants Seamus to do further analysis.
17. Seems to be ok with shlin's lynch, but questions the lurkers. Encourages me to continue my inquisition.
18: post 1365: encourages me and Tincow to pick up where Seamus left off.
Does a "bloody hands" analysis of Taka. Good work!
Does more analysis post 1393
Votes Curio.

Voting pattern:

Elects shlin
2a Seamus over Ichigo
3 Abstains
4 YLC over Sigurd
5 Tevash over Askthepizzaguy
5a Abstains
6: Didnt vote
7: shlin over seamus
8: abstains

Activity:

5 nights out of 6 that I looked at. I probably should do all of the nights but dangit... someone else can.

Analysis: QJC gave us options besides Seamus and Sigurd and Askthepizzaguy. He abstained the rest of the game, and voted shlin. His activity is solid, his post behavior is townie enough to me. He makes at least one move which would be Godfather-suicidal... and does several good late game analyses. He is not trying to control the game.

He hasn't had much heat on him though. But I feel that's justifiable. My analysis of him is a very close inspection... given Ares smells scummy but so far no one else does... I am actually anxious to find a second alternative. I couldn't find ANY case against QJC here.

Reenk Roink:

Defensive all game and defensive of Beefy as well. Seems to have stuck up for Tevash all game, and also he wanted to lynch Seamus as well as me. He was wrong on both of us being the Godfather.

But I've scrutinized Reenk enough. Time for a reprieve.

Voting Pattern:

1: Elects shlin
2: Abstain
2a: Abstain
3: Sasaki
4: Sigurd capper vote
5: ATPG
5a: ATPG (consistent)
6: Seamus
7: Capper on Seamus (consistent)

Activity:

4/6 nights that I looked at.

Analysis: Excellent defense against SkyNet's earlier case, and acting FAR too scummy to be concerned about his own life. I think he could be a mafia, but I don't think he's the Godfather. And he's got a better chance of being town. Reenk Roink.... once again... I cannot condone your death this round, as there are better suspects. And frankly, I am inclined to drop my case against you entirely, because if you're the Godfather after all this, well done.

Andres:

Early SkyNet revealed nothing. I am inclined to believe it's still that way. he knows how to avoid detection by now. I think he's a recruited mafioso... or a townie... but probably not the Godfather.

Congrats for avoiding detection if you're the Godfather, Andres. You earned it for moderating this crazy game.

Voting Pattern:

1. shlin28 (after campaigning for himself.
2a: Seamus over Ichigo
3: Sigurd over Lord Winter
4: Sigurd (consistent)
5: ATPG
5a: ATPG (consistent)
6: Tevash (good to check both sides of a huge argument for being scum...)
7: Shlin over Seamus
8: Gaius Scribonius Curio on several bad reasons, and one opinion reason. Fair enough.

I am not sure I trust Andres after round 7. Before I was sure he was a townie, now I think he's a recruit, but I'm almost certain he's no Godfather.

I suppose... a third place spot to be safe. I don't want to be that wrong, and if anyone can fool me good, Andres can.
Too many capper votes, too many reasonable votes.

Activity:

4/6 nights that I checked up on. Feel free to check the rest.

Analysis: Poor chance of being the Godfather. But we have 3 rounds, and I sincerely don't believe that it is him.

Conclusions:
777Ares777 is the best candidate.
Andres and Reenk Roink for a very, very distant second. And as for Beefy... well... Beefy always dies in every game. GeneralHankerchief choosing beefy187 for the Godfather... I don't see it. But whatever.

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 14:59

Analysis complete. Merging posts.

777Ares777 is my choice. He is the only one that a solid case can be made against.

And now that I've completely worn out my welcome, and everyone in the game has been fully analyzed... I've done all I can. And like I said, if I am wrong... you can at least say I gave it my best try, and I'll flush SkyNet forever.

I'm dead. :skull:

GeneralHankerchief

02-22-2009, 15:55

Hm, not too many votes this round. I may have to extend things.

-edit- This game is now my most popular ever, post-wise. I wonder if we'll beat Midgard. :juggle2:

Thermal

02-22-2009, 16:06

Hmph, I knew I'd get lynched sooner or later, I'm surprised I'm still alive as it is.

Firstly where have I really said you were definitely innocent? Most have my posts have kept an open mind, and your almost taking it for granted that I support you.

It uses a combination of beefy's numbers and my name, this scares me.

Firstly
-If i may say so myself, well done who ever wrote that write up for sasaki, it was hilarious! And tragic I guess, meh
-The nude unicyclist does strike me as innocent but someone as insane as that cannot be entirely dismissed

I think the unicyclist is cleared relatively well, so hoping your innocent I suggest killing someone like Taka, lurking, and have been known to win as mafia before whilst doing it.

vote:tevashszat

Until we get a role pm + analysis of atpg's evidence against you, You were voting for people you had supposedly cleared of suspicion :whip:

Mention of your evidence is fair, as it made sense, sorry if I fail to criticize your every move because I believe you are making good points.

TevashSzat didn't post when it mattered, his role claim had no substance and you had found things in his behavior that a detective wouldn't do, 4 others agreed on the round we lynched him, so I can hardly be singled out there.

I find it just as suspicious that you were all pally with me, just to go awol and say I'm the Godfather, even though you not long said I was a superb candidate for CoP and haven't been active enough for a mafia, so please get your stories straight.

With ATPG's self vote i am more or less convinced he was innocent, when it could have gone either way otherwise,

Fair no? no mafia would decide to kill themselves when the outcome could be massively different, why would he kill himself if he was mafia, that is why I concluded he was innocent, or just a fool maybe.

tevash is hard to work out, overall I would say that is the most times my vote has been poised to sway, I really was on tevash's side at one point, to ATPG's on another, with tevash's inevitable death (no matter what happens) hopefully that little box of mystery will close off soon, leaving IMO the other suspicious guys, other than those ATPG lists, Taka as he lurked on a game previous, just to be mafia, Ignoramus always lurks supposedly, but still someone to look out for....

I state hear I haven't always believed you, I was thinking Tevash was innocent at some stage. Saying I lazyily accuse YLC and Ignormous which may well be wrong is rich coming from you as most of your lynch candidates were most likely innocent too. Andres said previously, and I remember the post, saying even townies vote for townies, we can't get it right all of the time, you should no that more than anyone, ATPG. :stare:

Furthermore activity did drop as the game progressed, I was absent from the 16th-19th, You even looked at the last time I was on, I was no where on this forum, at all for 3 solid days, activity couldn't be high there, regardless you americans aren't on when I'm on most of the time, and no questions are directed at me for the most part so I've no reason to do an in-depth analysis. My opinion wasn't needed.

The spelling blips were also massive ones that that, intentional surely, Tincow said my punctuation techniques weren't similar as in the write up.

Activity on night phases isn't a tell, it just shows the phases finish at the wrong time for when I get online, I have not been active on every night phase, yet kills still happen, so yeah...try and figure it out.

just to clarify, sasaki told me i forgot to unvote

so unvote, vote: abstain

sorry for any confusion

If i was trying to suck up to you ATPG, i would have voted for tevashszat on this round to, the one before his death, I just didn't like people voting for you when you did a heap on analysis, though I guess that wall of text really doesn't say anything other than 'I'm ATPG, lynch who I say' I refer to Andres again here, this is a TEAM game, so lighten the load. :stop:

White_eyes:D

02-22-2009, 16:06

Hm, not too many votes this round. I may have to extend things.

-edit- This game is now my most popular ever, post-wise. I wonder if we'll beat Midgard. :juggle2:

237 of those post belong to ATPG.....:juggle2:

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 16:20

....

Sorry, just doing my job.

You haven't been under any pressure all game. It's about time.

Town can do whatever it wants, and I am dead, and I plan to stay that way.

Quintus.JC

02-22-2009, 16:20

Taka is consistent in his defence and doesn’t seem to be bothered at all about dying. Looks like he’s one of these people too busy in RL and just happy enough to keep up the activity to avoid WOG by voting for anyone. ATPG also gave a good defence, so I suppose he should left alone for now.
Glyphz remained cool despite all the accusations he received lately, less trustworthy than Taka, he is a lynachable target this round.
White Eyes is less suicidal than normal, I am absolutely unsure about him in this game…
Curio is always solid, unflappable, again I’m uncertain about him.
Pevergreen joined late, but taking over from YLC, he’s really the only living player I trust to be innocent right now.
QJC is innocent ~;)
Reenk has been defensive and taking risks throughout the game, any other person do that I’d say they’re innocent straight away, but its Reenk. GH’s choice to make him CoP kind of puts off the idea of him being the godfather, despite what people says that it doesn’t make a difference whether he’s CoP or not, well I just don’t think he’s the godfather.
Andres looked town all game, but coming into the late stage everyone’s a suspect, I still don’t see enough to put a vote on him though.
Beefy just looks Beefy ~:)
ATPG puts Aries forward as the top lynch candidate, he’s argument is well supported, however I still don’t think Aries looks guilty enough. I won’t vote for yet, I’m willing to give him a chance for defence at least.

Quintus.JC

02-22-2009, 16:22

237 of those post belong to ATPG.....:juggle2:

Imagine if he was in Migard... :scared: ~:)

GeneralHankerchief

02-22-2009, 16:27

Just to clarify, all roles (except for the Godfather's grunt choices) have been selected at random.

shlin28

02-22-2009, 16:29

eefy always dies in every game. GeneralHankerchief choosing beefy187 for the Godfather... I don't see it. But whatever.

Beefy could have been selected as thr GF at random.

Edit: Nevermind, GH posted before me.

Quintus.JC

02-22-2009, 16:30

Hmph, I knew I'd get lynched sooner or later, I'm surprised I'm still alive as it is.

I am genuinely surprised here as well. Aries normally speaks out a lot and gets killed or lynched quite early on, this is a break from the pattern.

Furthermore activity did drop as the game progressed, I was absent from the 16th-19th, You even looked at the last time I was on, I was no where on this forum, at all for 3 solid days, activity couldn't be high there, regardless you americans aren't on when I'm on most of the time, and no questions are directed at me for the most part so I've no reason to do an in-depth analysis. My opinion wasn't needed.

Valid reasoning – Assuming that town has lynched both grunts, Aries cannot be the mafia since of his inactivity. However if town failed to kill off all grunts then the godfather’s activity isn’t required for the murders to take place. Assuming there is still a grunt left then Aries’ inactivity would mean nothing.

Askthepizzaguy

02-22-2009, 17:20

However if town failed to kill off all grunts then the godfather’s activity isn’t required for the murders to take place. Assuming there is still a grunt left then Aries’ inactivity would mean nothing.

QFT.

And like I said... if you dont want to lynch Ares, kill them lurkers.

Reenk Roink

02-22-2009, 19:55

A booming voice comes from nowhere and is heard everywhere:

ASKTHEPIZZAGUY ARISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP A CASE AGAINST ONE OF MY ALTER EGOS! AND AGAIN YOU SAY THAT I WAS WRONG ABOUT YOU BEING GODFATHER AND SEAMUS BEING GODFATHER WHEN I NEVER EVEN STRONGLY THOUGHT YOU WERE A MAFIA AND JUST THOUGH SEAMUS WAS A GENERAL MAFIA...

I SUGGEST YOU DESIST OR YOU MAY OVERTAKE 'WENAX' LOVING SASAKI KOJIRO ON THE MOST REVILED ENEMIES LIST...

Chaotix

02-22-2009, 20:06

Sasaki Kojiro

02-22-2009, 20:09

I SUGGEST YOU DESIST OR YOU MAY OVERTAKE 'WENAX' LOVING SASAKI KOJIRO ON THE MOST REVILED ENEMIES LIST...

Aw hell naw.

Kill:Reenk Roink

GeneralHankerchief

02-22-2009, 20:16

Whoops, looks like I was a bit off.

Anyway, yeah. Round extended until 14:00 EST tomorrow.

Beefy187

02-23-2009, 00:43

:laugh4:

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Ares, Beefy, and WhiteEyes were all really Reenk's alt accounts?

Sorry, the thought popped into mind when Reenk said "alter egos".

Beefy is Beefy. Nothing more or nothing less then Beefy.
It is definitely not Reenk. It is pure Beefy.
When I search Beefy on Google.. Random images I get..
Naked men buffed up.. Calling them self Beefy..
Beefy doesn't mean buffed up.. In fact I'm underweight.
But I got my name from the cow Beefy.. As I love Beef so much.
Beefy is Beefy..Nothing more or nothing less then Beefy!!

Just so you all know I'm not one of Reenks alter egos.. Although I wouldn't mind being one :yes:
Being Reenk will promise me endless fun.

Its also nice to see how loved I am as I'm soo frequently defended by everyone. I believe I was mentioned alot of times on Skynet as well which just proves that I'm loved.

I love you all too :2thumbsup:

White_eyes:D

02-23-2009, 00:53

Beefy is Beefy. Nothing more or nothing less then Beefy.
It is definitely not Reenk. It is pure Beefy.
When I search Beefy on Google.. Random images I get..
Naked men buffed up.. Calling them self Beefy..
Beefy doesn't mean buffed up.. In fact I'm underweight.
But I got my name from the cow Beefy.. As I love Beef so much.
Beefy is Beefy..Nothing more or nothing less then Beefy!!

Just so you all know I'm not one of Reenks alter egos.. Although I wouldn't mind being one :yes:
Being Reenk will promise me endless fun.

Its also nice to see how loved I am as I'm soo frequently defended by everyone. I believe I was mentioned alot of times on Skynet as well which just proves that I'm loved.

I love you all too :2thumbsup:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: yeah...."reenks alter egos....:clown::clown::clown::clown::clown:"

Thermal

02-23-2009, 01:03

I love you all too :2thumbsup:

unvote: vote: beefy187 :mellow:

:idea2:
unvote

:idea2:

Beefy187

02-23-2009, 02:16

Ok now I feel responsible for leading you guys off topic.. But I blame Reenk for that..

Since todays the last day when I can be active before the Uni entrance exam.. I will try and find time to post still but.. I'll be extremely active today and will be willing to answer questions if someone wants to.

According to ATPG, looks like we are the top two candidate for todays lynch Ares.. How do you feel about being accused for the first time in this game? :beam:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-23-2009, 03:03

I'm going to stick with Taka. Have been busier than expected but will definitely post more tomorrow. In the meantime my opinions on most of the remaining candidates...

Beefy: Seems solid. Has been consistently here, voting, has come under suspicion and evaded it. Haven't seen much in his posts that would make me think him a mafioso.

Aries: Despite ATPGs case against him has a pretty good alibi in that he was absent. However this does not necessarily exonerate him. Precedent being Mafia VIII, 'Khann, my partner had an unexplained absence of a week, and wasn't WoGed. In the meantime I sent in kill orders for him... even after my death. Until GH says specifically that this would not be allowed he is not squeaky clean (and if he has I haven't seen it). Not worthy of a lynch imo.

Andres: Will clear this up, Andres didn't suddenly go for me, he has been voicing suspicions about me since LW's execution. Based on that being one few points against him, unlikely at this stage but more research on my part required.

Quintus: Never responded directly to my concerns, but his behaviour in recent times has gone against my suspicions. Unlikely.

Taka and Glyphz: Both lurking, although Glyphz is finally talking. Both somewhat dubious, but as I said above will stick with Taka. Reasoning, if one is mafia and one is talking, it is more likely that we will catch him.

Sorry, back with more tomorrow.

And to all those calling me a 'veteran', I've yet to finish on the winning side in a mafia game... ever. I move that should the town lose this, we coin the phrase Curse of Curio until such a time I finally win! :laugh4:

Edit: Since nobody has commented will add a little more.

Curio: Innocent... obviously...

Pevergreen: I'm inclined to believe he is innocent due to YLC's strange suicidal behaviour in the lead-up to his replacement. A Godfather would be very unlikely suicide. Seen as it is the Godfather we need to lynch in any case I would recommend leaving him.

White Eyes: For the most part has stayed out of the spotlight, not seeming overly mafia influenced. As with Andres more research required on my part, which be forthcoming tomorrow.

Reenk: For the same reasons as yesterday is not one of my main suspects.

In summary I believe Taka and Glyphz are the best targets for today, Taka more so. pevergreen and Aries seeming to be the least likely candidates for the Godfather at the moment, although neither can be fully exonerated.

Andres

02-23-2009, 16:34

Vote : Gaius Scribonius Curio

Thermal

02-23-2009, 17:01

I'm not to sure but I'm going to re vote vote: Glyphz

I believe his recent activity was made to get himself out of deep water, he spoke after prompting, townies don't need that, where as Taka seems genuinely inactive on all games Glyphz is just bumping up activity to fool town, IMO

Seamus Fermanagh

02-23-2009, 17:40

Had a few minutes this morning. Off to a musuem in 5.

Glyphz post #1392 spotlighting Sasaki and I as Grunts seems suspicious to me. Perhaps its because I know my own innocence in this game, but it strikes me as a "plausible" analysis more than a "let's find the mafia" analysis.

glyphz

02-23-2009, 18:32

Had a few minutes this morning. Off to a musuem in 5.

Glyphz post #1392 spotlighting Sasaki and I as Grunts seems suspicious to me.Can't say I'm 100% right, but unlike in other games, I feel more confident in my analysis of the write-up, so I plan to stck to my theory that only the GF is left, and you were one of the grunts (Vincenzo recognizing you, in a lynch write-up no less, is a sure tell, I bet) until the post-game write-up proves me right/wrong or a mix of both. It is too bad that I did not notice this before my severe lack of activity post-Tevash's lynch. I doubt I'd have voted for shlin28 then.:stwshame:

Perhaps its because I know my own innocence in this game, but it strikes me as a "plausible" analysis more than a "let's find the mafia" analysis.Perhaps. I too think that the analysis is more of 'what i think where we stand at the moment' one. I doubt I can pinpoint the GF from it.
I believe his recent activity was made to get himself out of deep water, he spoke after prompting, townies don't need that, where as Taka seems genuinely inactive on all games Glyphz is just bumping up activity to fool town, IMO[/U]I won't hold it against you if you don't believe about my behavior the past few days, or in general the whole game. Makes me think I'll be under fire in all future games due to my current style of play.:sweatdrop: Can you be a little more elaborate on the bolded part of the quote, please?.:inquisitive:

Vote: taka
My reason is pretty much identical to taka's.
I know I'm 100% ionnocent, I'm not so sure of... Game won't end... My lynch only hurt town's chances... blah, blah, blah...

Tally:

glyphz: 3 - 777Ares777, taka, pevergreen
taka: 3 - Gaius Scribonius Curio, Andres, glyphz
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 1 - Quintus.JC

LittleGrizzly

02-23-2009, 18:37

Beefy now has the deciding vote... whose it to be... Glyphz or Taka ?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-23-2009, 18:55

Tally is wrong, Andres is voting for Curio.

GeneralHankerchief

02-23-2009, 20:00

Voting closed.

TinCow

02-23-2009, 20:03

I think the tactic of going for the lurkers is flawed. People are too scared of them because of the recent victory with this method. The mafia is likely accentuating this fear with their own focus on it. I very much believe that the mafia are active players, not lurkers.

GeneralHankerchief

02-23-2009, 20:14

(The following is written mostly by Reenk Roink)

Day 9

The townies all gathered at the town square after making their decision and brought a handcuffed glyphz with them, his head hanging low. All of them expected to see Chief of Police Reenk Roink, who nobody had seen all day, dealing out justice, so they were quite surprised when they caught a glimpse of a tall man, with a wide brimmed hat supporting grapes waiting for them by a large bonfire. Upon coming closer they were horrified to see that in place of where the man's face should have been, there was a dark and deep void instead. Some of the older members of the town soiled themselves, clearly recognizing that they were in the presence of The Wanax.

The Wanax plucked a grape from his hat and ate it, and he did this while his face void remained static while the grape simply appeared to dissolve on contact. After some quiet, he finally addressed the mob:

"Very well, let's get this over with, bring me the unfortunate one."

Nobody dared move any closer to The Wanax and although his face remain a static void, the townies could plainly see his displeasure.

The Wanax once again spoke and though his voice was of a constant evil tone, the mob he addressed could clearly hear his disappointment:

"The Wanax cannot believe he is in this humiliating situation while the Godfather picked two others to carry out the joys of killing; using The Wanax's alter ego's methods, no less! Do you not see the harm they have done so far? I wanted to do that harm!"

Without warning The Wanax suddenly reached out his arm and brought glyphz close to him through some unseen force while the rest of the townies ducked for cover. The Wanax then reached in his long robes to pull something out which caused great distress to glyphz and great (hushed) speculation among the townies.

"It's the phasgana!" one exclaimed. "He's going to pull out The Analyst: A Discourse Addressed to an Infidel Mathematician," another cried.

"NO YOU FOOLS!" The Wanax boomed as he pulled out a ziploc bag of gingerbread men and began eating them. After some perplexing moments for the town, The Wanax began to utter some chants and sprinkle gingerbread crumbs on glyphz. The townies watched in amazement as glyphz transformed into a life sized gingerbread man. The transformation was agonizing for glyphz who felt his entire body compressed, dried, and stiffen.

The Wanax then picked up glyphz roughly, causing some of the edges of his right arm to snap off, leaving glyphz howling in pain. As The Wanax carried glyphz over the bonfire, one townie muttered "He's going to bake him over the fire!"

Although The Wanax's face remained a static void, the mob swore they saw him roll his eyes as he uttered some more chants which led to a giant Easy Bake oven appearing in front of him. The Wanax placed glyphz into the oven and shut the door, and the townies watched in horror as glyphz was baked alive, his screams in the oven inaudible.

glyphz stopped moving after five minutes but The Wanax waited an extra two before removing him. The mob watched in silence as The Wanax ate the head of glyphz and exclaimed "Much better than the non-human type," before disappearing.

None of the mob dared go near the headless gingerbread corpse of victim, save Andres who ate three fingers.

Day 9 tally:

glyphz: 3 (777Ares777, taka, pevergreen)
taka: 2 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, glyphz)
Gaius Scribonius Curio: 2 (Quintus.JC, Andres)

Abstained: 3 (Reenk Roink, Beefy187, White_eyes)

~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (9)
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
glyphz

~~~~~~~~~~~

ANNOUNCEMENT: Assuming the game still continues, endgame rules will be put in place starting next round. I'll explain the exact changes at the start of the day phase.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-23-2009, 20:23

Haha, great writeup.

Quintus.JC

02-23-2009, 20:25

There's some possible clues in the write up, the bolded and the underlined parts perhaps?

TinCow

02-23-2009, 20:45

There's some possible clues in the write up, the bolded and the underlined parts perhaps?

GH specifically said most of that was written by Reenk. This probably includes the formating. I bet the only bit which was written by GH was the last line about Andres.

ANNOUNCEMENT: Assuming the game still continues, endgame rules will be put in place starting next round. I'll explain the exact changes at the start of the day phase.

This is worth noting. "Assuming the game still continues" implies that it might not. If the game can end during a night phase, this implies the ability of the mafia to either win tonight or for the Godfather to be killed off at night. Even if all 3 mafioso were still alive and killed 2 tonight, there would still be 7 alive tomorrow, 3 mafia and 4 town, which would give the town one final chance to lynch the Godfather. Thus, it seems unlikely that the mafia could win tonight. As far as I can tell, this seems to indicate that there is a vigilante at large, which would probably be Mr. Nude Unicyclist.

White_eyes:D

02-23-2009, 20:46

None of the mob dared go near the headless gingerbread corpse of victim, save Andres who ate three fingers. I nearly pissed myself laughing reading the lynch write-up......:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: and Andres ate three fingers???:sweatdrop: but it was written by Reenk....so I don't buy it.....anything in there is likely WIFOM....:juggle2:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-23-2009, 20:52

This is worth noting. "Assuming the game still continues" implies that it might not. If the game can end during a night phase, this implies the ability of the mafia to either win tonight or for the Godfather to be killed off at night. Even if all 3 mafioso were still alive and killed 2 tonight, there would still be 7 alive tomorrow, 3 mafia and 4 town, which would give the town one final chance to lynch the Godfather. Thus, it seems unlikely that the mafia could win tonight. As far as I can tell, this seems to indicate that there is a vigilante at large, which would probably be Mr. Nude Unicyclist.

GH doesn't end the game when the godfather is lynched, he ends it the next day. For suspense.

TinCow

02-23-2009, 20:54

shlin28

02-23-2009, 21:09

GH specifically said most of that was written by Reenk. This probably includes the formating. I bet the only bit which was written by GH was the last line about Andres.

Where did GH say this? GH told me to give him the basic idea and let him write the write-up...

:book:

GeneralHankerchief

02-23-2009, 21:17

That was what I told Reenk too, but he gave a full execution scene so I complied.

Thermal

02-23-2009, 21:20

Can you be a little more elaborate on the bolded part of the quote, please?.:inquisitive:

Everyone was saying you were lurking then you turn up miraculously, though if you turn out to be innocent I probably won't be so glyphz hating in future games :clown:

glyphz

02-23-2009, 22:37

Tally is wrong, Andres is voting for Curio.
:embarassed: That makes me a shamed tallier :stwshame:

It would seem that my gingerbread version, turned out pretty good, as Andres didn't find 1 finger to be enough to munch on.:7jester:

I hoped town has satisfied their thirst for 'lurker' blood, as I don't think taka is the GF.

:bow:

Reenk Roink

02-23-2009, 22:42

To end all speculation here was what I sent to GH (and I did think we had to send in full writeups just like I did in Mafia V - I was mistaken both times, but if GH allows I will still send them in :bow:):

The townies all gathered at the town square after making their decision and brought a handcuffed VICTIM with them, his head hanging low. All of them expected to see Reenk Roink metting out justice, so they were quite surprised when they caught a glimpse of a tall man, with a wide brimmed hat supporting grapes waiting for them by a large bonfire. Upon coming closer they were horrified to see that in place of where the man's face should have been, there was a dark and deep void instead. Some of the older members of the town soiled themselves, clearly recognizing that they were in the presence of The Wanax.

The Wanax plucked a grap from his hat and ate it, and he did this while his face void remained static while the grape simply appeared to dissolve on contact. After some quiet, he finally addressed the mob:

"Very well, let's get this over with, bring me the unfortunate one."

Nobody dared move any closer to The Wanax and although his face remain a static void, the townies could plainly see his displeasure.

The Wanax once again spoke and though his voice was of a constant evil tone, the mob he addressed could clearly hear his disappointment:

"The Wanax cannot believe he is in this humiliating situation while the Godfather picked two others to carry out the joys of killing; using The Wanax's alter ego's methods, no less! Do you not see the harm they have done so far? I wanted to do that harm!"

Without warning The Wanax suddenly reached out his arm and brought VICTIM close to him through some unseen force while the rest of the townies ducked for cover. The Wanax then reached in his long robes to pull something out which caused great distress to VICTIM and great (hushed) speculation among the townies.

"It's the phasgana!" one exclaimed. "He's going to pull out The Analyst: A Discourse Addressed to an Infidel Mathematician," another cried.

"NO YOU FOOLS!" The Wanax boomed as he pulled out a ziploc bag of gingerbread men and began eating them. After some perplexing moments for the town, The Wanax began to utter some chants and sprinkle gingerbread crumbs on VICTIM. The townies watched in amazement as VICTIM transformed into a life sized gingerbread man. The transformation was agonizing for VICTIM who felt his entire body compressed, dried, and stiffen.

The Wanax then picked up VICTIM roughly, causing some of the edges of his right arm to snap off, leaving VICTIM howling in pain. As The Wanax carried VICTIM over the bonfire, one townie muttered "He's going to bake him over the fire!"

Although The Wanax's face remained a static void, the mob swore they saw him roll his eyes as he uttered some more chants which led to a giant Easy Bake oven appearing in front of him. The Wanax placed VICTIM into the oven and shut the door, and the townies watched in horror as VICTIM was baked alive, his screams in the oven inaudible.

VICTIM stopped moving after five minutes but The Wanax waited an extra two before removing him. The mob watched in silence as The Wanax ate the head of VICTIM and exclaimed "Much better than the non-human type," before disappearing.

None of the mob dared go near the headless gingerbread corpse of victim, save Chaotix27 who ate three fingers.

Very similar, except the Andres thing at the end. Now, as soon as Chaotix was killed by the Mafia I was going to change it to Andres, but never got around to telling GH. GH I guess read my mind or realized that I was going strongly after Andres and so put it in there.

Now, the mentions of the writeup are just for fun, but you really should vote Andres, otherwise The Wanax will be displeased and take charge... :wink:

GeneralHankerchief

02-23-2009, 22:55

Reenk, if you keep writing 'em, I'll keep using 'em. :yes:

Askthepizzaguy

02-23-2009, 23:09

Ok, this is it folks.

Thanks, TinCow. You gave me the answer.

Although to be fair, pevergreen suspected the scum first, followed by SkyNet figuring it out conclusively.

Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.
Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.
Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.
Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.
Blinding signs flap,
Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.
Stairway scare Dan dare who's there?
Lime and limpid green, the sounds around
The icy waters under
Lime and limpid green, the sounds around
The icy waters underground.

Roman Gods. Name an active player who is a Greek God.

777Ares777

I didn't even notice this when I did the last analysis.

pevergreen town
777Ares777 Godfather
Andres mafia
Quintus.JC town
White_eyes:D town
Reenk Roink No vote
glyphz town
Beefy187 town
taka town
Gaius Scribonius Curio town

7 townies, 1 gf, 2 hench

Lynch: glyphz

(It happened as I predicted)

6 townies, 1 gf, 2 hench

murder: pevergreen and white eyes... or any other townies...

4 townies, 1 gf, 2 henchmen

3 townies need to vote for 777Ares777 for the game to end in a townie victory, as Reenk cannot vote.

If the Godfather can recruit one or two henchmen, then this is the town's final round.

None of the mob dared go near the headless gingerbread corpse of victim, save Andres who ate three fingers.
Just an amusing note... those sevens also look like 3 crooked fingers. But this came from Reenk Roink, so I'm discarding it.

Thermal

02-23-2009, 23:14

:laugh4:
look there were seven god names too, even more conclusive! because songs and write ups are inconclusive aren't they? I think not.

Askthepizzaguy

02-23-2009, 23:15

It's too late, isn't it, Ares?

Figures.

Thermal

02-23-2009, 23:18

:whip:

If town listen to you then were none for. Without even realizing it your helping mafia by doing this.

Askthepizzaguy

02-23-2009, 23:21

:whip:

If town listen to you then were none for. Without even realizing it your helping mafia by doing this.

Having trouble with grammar and spelling again?

Ares, you refused the CoP role so you could keep your vote. You want all the lurkers dead. You think everyone who posted a lot is innocent. You have been hiding from suspicion all game. Your dead mafioso buddies also want the lurkers dead. No one is going after you, no one has all game, except for pevergreen, who is innocent, and he's as good as dead tonight.

Nice to see you online at night again.

The clue in the song is a very compelling hint you're scum. Remember an earlier song with "111" in it? That's two songs condemning you.

And they are coming from a neutral party... the boombox guy... GeneralHankerchief.

Thermal

02-23-2009, 23:28

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=221847

My TWC game has started :juggle2:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-23-2009, 23:28

Hi, the song "Atom heart mother suite" does not have any lyrics. The lyrics tincow quoted are from "astronomy domine".

Askthepizzaguy

02-23-2009, 23:32

A few moments of contemplation have given me a new theory. As per my previous post, it seems likely that the Nude Unicyclist is a vigilante. However, he has only killed once, which seems to indicate he strikes intentionally, and not randomly. Possibly he investigates and kills only when he finds mafioso. This would indicate that Sasaki was a grunt. This would also be consistent with my analysis of the last song, which seemed to be pointing to a "green" person. Perhaps GH was pointing to a dead mafioso, not a live one. This would be a far more balanced 'tip' from GH, as it would not really threaten to reveal the Godfather. It is also worth noting that Sasaki himself tried to discredit my line of reasoning on the meaning of that song. Perhaps this is because he knew it pointed at him.

I would suggest a thorough analysis of Sasaki's posts to see if they show any pattern of cooperation with a currently living player.

[edit]If Sasaki is correct, then GH's final line means nothing about a vigilante. This would thus invalidate the entire argument above. Take that into account when weighing my words.

TinCow...

if you look at 777Ares777's accomplices, they are people who are shady figures. Sasaki is definitley one of them. And everyone else who we think is or might have been a scumbag in this game has avoided accusing 777Ares777 all game like the plague.

If I am right about recruitment, then Ares has been able to recruit a bunch of scummy decoy henchmen all game who now support him post-mortem and in the flesh, all acting scummy, all wanting the lurkers dead.

Ares has been condemned by pevergreen, by SkyNet, by his own activity, his own posting behavioral changes, his own voting pattern, and by GeneralHankerchief's own writeups. Now, he is condemned by being supported by Sasaki Kojiro and several others who have not had town's interests in mind, though Ares has of course tried to distance himself from them.

May I remind everyone here that he wanted the boombox guy and the nude unicyclist to reveal themselves earlier on in the game? Can I suggest that he was worried about me until I gave him the benefit of the doubt from SkyNet 1? Since then, before my accusation, he's been lurking, active at night, away for a few days as an alibi, and has a consistent strategy of abstaining, bandwagonning, and also attacking the lurkers, whom everyone fears due to the Chicago Soiree.

If it comes right down to it, 777Ares777 is doomed to death from this evidence. And he most certainly was condemned due to the song writeup clues, of which I am looking for even more clues. Be right back.

Point is made, case is made. Do we have a better suspect?

White_eyes:D

02-23-2009, 23:33

So.....I am going to die:skull:.....well it wasn't my fault.....I never would have suspected Ares....:juggle2: heck, even me making it this far is a miracle:juggle2:

TinCow

02-23-2009, 23:33

I still think Andres is a better choice to lynch. Andres has just sailed through this game without batting an eyelash. His play has been too cool the entire time; his responses always perfectly designed to allay any suspicions about him and point the finger at other people. Looking back, he's picked up a grand total of ONE lynch vote since the first lynch phase, and even that one was just because Reenk forgot to unvote him when he tried to vote for someone else. For some reason, I just feel like an innocent Andres would attract more suspicion that this. An Andres that sails through a game without suspicion makes me nervous. It's also worth noting that one of the two people who voted for Andres on the first lynch vote was Tevash, who is likely mafia. Not a bad idea to vote your own Godfather early on, if it doesn't get him lynched.

Askthepizzaguy

02-23-2009, 23:33

Hi, the song "Atom heart mother suite" does not have any lyrics. The lyrics tincow quoted are from "astronomy domine".

K, just following what TinCow said about the writeup. Maybe I got the song title mixed up.

Interesting you're defending Ares.

TinCow... what about the Roman Gods in the song writeup, and the earlier triple numbers in the song writeup?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-23-2009, 23:43

I've given my opinion on most of the songs already, however here's my interpretation of the last few:

After Tevash's lynch:

Key Lyrics:

This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.

Tevash was mafia. edit: alternatively of course the title could be the important part--indicating that the GF is still alive and that the lynch of Tevash was a success for him.

After Seamus's lynch:

Key lyric: On to the next one edit: also mentions getting closer to the prize.

After Shlin's lynch:

No lyrics, but the song is looked on as a horrible choice by the band. Perhaps GH felt the lynch of shlin was terrible.

Thermal

02-23-2009, 23:46

TinCow...

Ares has been condemned by pevergreen, by SkyNet, by his own activity, his own posting behavioral changes, his own voting pattern, and by GeneralHankerchief's own writeups. Now, he is condemned by being supported by Sasaki Kojiro and several others who have not had town's interests in mind, though Ares has of course tried to distance himself from them.

May I remind everyone here that he wanted the boombox guy and the nude unicyclist to reveal themselves earlier on in the game? Can I suggest that he was worried about me until I gave him the benefit of the doubt from SkyNet 1? Since then, before my accusation, he's been lurking, active at night, away for a few days as an alibi, and has a consistent strategy of abstaining, bandwagonning, and also attacking the lurkers, whom everyone fears due to the Chicago Soiree.

If it comes right down to it, 777Ares777 is doomed to death from this evidence. And he most certainly was condemned due to the song writeup clues, of which I am looking for even more clues. Be right back.

Point is made, case is made. Do we have a better suspect?

Condemned by pevergreen? he just says its a feeling, he has no evidence
Skynet? thats worthless, your strategies get more absurd by the second, what the hell is skynet?
My own activity? please elaborate, actually don't, save yourself anymore conviction, only activity failures were my 3 days away when I was very ill, sorry if illness stops me from being bound to the computer desk like you think I should be
voting pattern? I voted for sasaki near the start, I wanted him dead, but the GF would naturally want to kill his grunts right?
GH's write ups are full of edits and you know it, I have so been framed, clues like that don't come normally
The want for reveal is because I tohught they were shady figures, the boombox guy probably is mafia.
Benifit of the doubt over skynet 1? :dizzy2:
Lurking? I post whenever I'm online, and you should know that if you've been watching my activities that well.
Active at night is how GH's times fit in with my schedule, simple as.
bandwaggonning? bandwagons in some cases, abstaining only minimally
Lurkers are great for mafia as mafia can kill innocent looking guys so the lurkers who look suspicious can ruin towns plan, lynching lurkers is a good thing in many a game.
Doomed to death? or that evidence is circumstantial and riddled with flaws.
Song write up being tampered with show mafia is trying to frame me
Point is made, case is ludicrous. Am I right in think we have better a suspect?

Askthepizzaguy

02-23-2009, 23:50

Karn Evil 9, First Impression, Part 2

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside
There behind a glass stands a real blade of grass
Be careful as you pass,.move along, move along

Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll, oh

Right before your eyes see the laughter from the skies
And he laughs until he cries, then he dies, then he dies

Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll, oh

Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of vaseline
Will perform on guillotine, what a scene, what a scene
Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand
To Alexander's Ragtime Band, Dixieland, Dixieland

Roll up, roll up, roll up
See the show

Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool
Seven virgins and a mule, keep it cool, keep it cool
We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown
Were exclusively our own, all our own, all our own

Come and see the show, come and see the show
Come and see the show
See the show

Seems to be a welcome to the game. But how about those NUMBERS???

Perry mason, Ozzy Osbourne

On his way to dinner when it took him by suprise
And with one pull of the trigger he would vanish overnight
Dancing by the roadside, holding on for dear life
Then a gun from out of nowhere made a widow of his wife

I don't mind, single file down the runway
Feelin' fine, and I'll see you my friend
Over and over again

Who can we get on the case?
We need Perry Mason
Someone to put you in place
Calling Perry Mason,again,again

Riding painted horses, oh the kids they love it so
You can see it on their faces, how they love the wind to blow
Minding my own business like my mama always said
But if I don't try to help him they could wind up on the front page

I don't mind, draw the line then draw me an arrow
Feelin' fine, then I'll see you my friend
Over and over again

Who can we get on the case?
We need Perry Mason
Someone to put you in place
Calling Perry Mason again, again

Wake me when it's over, tell me it's all right
Just keep on talking baby, I've been doing this all night
How much did you give me, tell me it'll be all right

And I'll see you my friend over and over again..
Who can we get on this case?
We need Perry Mason
Someone to put you in place
Calling Perry Mason, again, again, again, again

Indicates to me that seireikhaan or someone else died... and was a mason. Maybe. Or perhaps the investigator died.

You woke up this Morning by Alabama Three.

You woke up this morning
Got yourself a gun,
Mama always said you'd be
The Chosen One.

She said: You're one in a million
You've got to burn to shine,
But you were born under a bad sign,
With a blue moon in your eyes.

You woke up this morning
All the love has gone,
Your Papa never told you
About right and wrong.

But you're looking good, baby,
I believe you're feeling fine, (shame about it),
Born under a bad sign
With a blue moon in your eyes.

You woke up this morning
The world turned upside down,
Thing's ain't been the same
Since the Blues walked into town.

But you're one in a million
You've got that shotgun shine.
Born under a bad sign,
With a blue moon in your eyes.

When you woke up this morning everything you had was
gone. By half past ten your head was going ding-dong.
Ringing like a bell from your head down to your toes,
like a voice telling you there was something you should
know. Last night you were flying but today you're so low
- ain't it times like these that make you wonder if
you'll ever know the meaning of things as they appear to
the others; wives, mothers, fathers, sisters and
brothers. Don't you wish you didn't function, wish you
didn't think beyond the next paycheck and the next little
drink' Well you do so make up your mind to go on, 'cos
when you woke up this morning everything you had was gone.

When you woke up this morning,
When you woke up this morning,
When you woke up this morning,
Mama said you'd be the Chosen One.

When you woke up this morning,
When you woke up this morning,
When you woke up this morning,
You got yourself a gun.

Numerous references to NUMBERS. And how about the number three...

Robert Hazard Escalator of Life:
They got my Mazda at the E-Z Park It
At the rock & roll supermarket
Muzak music make me feel so funny
I went and spent all my money
We're riding on the escalator of life
We're shopping in the human mall
We're dancing on the escalator of life
Won't be happy 'til we have it all
We want it all
Escalator of life - up and down
Escalator of life - round and round
There's 111 choices
Don't listen to those little voices
I don't let the guilty feeling shake me
You can have your cake and eat it baby
We're riding on the escalator of life
We're shopping in the human mall
We're dancing on the escalator of life
Won't be happy 'til we have it all
Hey girl, I'm a personal friend of Gloria Vanderbilt
I got all the gold in the world around my neck
Come ride the steel dinosaur
Run wild in the jungle
Its a Zulu Nation
Seduction, sacrifice, a new sensation
Nothing ever changes
We're riding on the escalator of life
We're shopping in the human mall
We're dancing on the escalator of life
Won't be happy 'til we have it all

There's 111 choices... could there be a better clue? 111.... 777.... 111.... 777

One Love, Bob Marley

One Love, One Heart
Let's get together and feel all right
Hear the children crying (One Love)
Hear the children crying (One Heart)
Sayin' give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right
Sayin' let's get together and feel all right

Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One Love)
There is one question I'd really like to ask (One Heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?
Believe me

One Love, One Heart
Let's get together and feel all right
As it was in the beginning (One Love)
So shall it be in the end (One Heart)
Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right
One more thing

Let's get together to fight this Holy Armageddon (One Love)
So when the Man comes there will be no no doom (One Song)
Have pity on those whose chances grove thinner
There ain't no hiding place from the Father of Creation

Sayin' One Love, One Heart
Let's get together and feel all right
I'm pleading to mankind (One Love)
Oh Lord (One Heart)

Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right
Let's get together and feel all right

Numerous references to a NUMBER.

Jonothan Coulton, Still Alive

This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here:
HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are
still alive.

I'm not even angry.
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart.
And killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data
make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time.
So I'm GLaD. I got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
for the people who are
still alive.

Go ahead and leave me.
I think i prefer to stay inside.
maybe you'll find someone else
to help you.
maybe Black Mesa...
THAT WAS A JOKE, HA HA, FAT CHANCE.
Anyway this cake is great.
It's so delicious and moist
look at me still talking when theres science to do
when i look out there
it makes me glad I'm not you
i've experiments to run
there is research to be done
on the people who are
still alive.

and believe me I am still alive
I'm doing science and I'm still alive
i feel fantastic and I'm still alive
while your dying ill be still alive
and when your dead i will be still alive
still alive
still alive

Another reference to a number, and "still alive" indicates the Godfather is still alive...

KC and jojo: All My life

I'm So Glad...

I Will Never Find Another Lover
Sweeter Than You
Sweeter Than You
And I Will Never Find Another Lover
More Precious Than You
More Precious Than You
Girl You Are..
Close To Me You're Like My Mother,
Close To Me You're Like My Father,
Close To Me You're Like My Sister,
Close To Me You're Like My Brother
And You Are The Only One My Everything
And For You This Song I Sing....

All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Thank God
That I..That I Finally Found You
All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Hope That You Feel The Same Way Too
Yes, I Pray That You Do Love Me Too

I'd Send You All That I'm Thinking Of........Baby

Said I Promise To Never Fall In Love With A Stranger
You're All I'm Thinking Of
I Praise The Lord Above
For Sending Me Your Love
I Cherish Every Hug
I Really Love You

All My Life (Ohhhh..Baby, Baby)
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Thank God
That I...That I Finally Found You
All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Hope That You Feel The Same Way Too
Yes, I Pray That You Do Love Me Too

You're All That I Ever Know,
When You Smile All My Face Always Seems To Glow,
You Turned My Life Around,
You Picked Me Up When I Was Down,
You're All That I've Ever Known,
When You Smile My Face Glows
You Picked Me Up When I Was Down
Say...You're All That I've Ever Known
When You Smile My Face Glows
You Picked Me Up When I Was Down
And I Hope That You
Feel The Same Way Too
Yes, I Pray That You Do Love Me Too

And All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Thank God
That I..That I Finally Found You
All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
Yes, I Pray That You Do Love Me Too

All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Thank God
That I ..That I Finally Found You
All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
Yes, I Pray That You Do Love Me Too

(Fading)
And All My Life
I Prayed For Someone Like You
And I Thank God That I...That I Finally Found You.....

References to NUMBERS, and to GODS.

ATOM HEART MOTHER SUITE- Pink Floyd

Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.
Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.
Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.
Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.
Blinding signs flap,
Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.
Stairway scare Dan dare who's there?
Lime and limpid green, the sounds around
The icy waters under
Lime and limpid green, the sounds around
The icy waters underground.

ROMAN GODS.

Gods... numbers... numbers... 3 numbers... Gods.... numbers....

777Ares777

If the Boombox guy were trying any harder, he'd walk up to all of us, and beat us over the head with the Boombox.

CASE CLOSED, dangit. Surrender, Ares.

Thermal

02-23-2009, 23:53

Most of the numbers were one, and there are immense amounts of the song you haven't analyzed, your just purposefully finding the smallest of snippets against me particularly because you want me dead, you could find evidence about practically all of us from them songs. CASE CLOSED DANGIT

Sasaki Kojiro

02-23-2009, 23:54

Pizza. The Atom Heart Mother suite is an instrumental song. There are no lyrics. Go past the first website linked on google. Also it's "All my life" by the Foo Fighters not KC and jojo.

edit:

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside
There behind a glass stands a real blade of grass
Be careful as you pass,.move along, move along

Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll, oh

Right before your eyes see the laughter from the skies
And he laughs until he cries, then he dies, then he dies

Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll, oh

Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of vaseline
Will perform on guillotine, what a scene, what a scene
Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand
To Alexander's Ragtime Band, Dixieland, Dixieland

Roll up, roll up, roll up
See the show

Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool
Seven virgins and a mule, keep it cool, keep it cool
We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown
Were exclusively our own, all our own, all our own

Come and see the show, come and see the show
Come and see the show
See the show

Who has the word "the" in their username? CASE CLOSED

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:02

Sooo defensive of Ares, Sasaki...

And yeah, THE is a good clue. Not Gods or Numbers in all the songs or song titles.

And if that were my only bit of evidence against Ares, you'd have a right to be skeptical. But how about his behavior, votes, activity, allies, and changing tone all game? How come you're defending him and the vigilante basically told us you were SCUM, Sasaki?

I see right through you.

Thermal

02-24-2009, 00:08

Pizza. The Atom Heart Mother suite is an instrumental song. There are no lyrics. Go past the first website linked on google. Also it's "All my life" by the Foo Fighters not KC and jojo.

edit:

Who has the word "the" in their username? CASE CLOSED

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

see post 1462 ATPG, most of your case is inaccurate.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:08

Pizza. The Atom Heart Mother suite is an instrumental song. There are no lyrics.

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/pink-floyd-atom-heart-mother-suite-lyrics.html

This is the very first link from the google search.

We can debate this all you want, but all of the songs here have references to Gods or Numbers in them.

As for the correct "all my life" song:

by the FOO FIGHTERS:

All my life I've been searching for somethin'
Somethin' never comes, never leads to nuthin'
Nothin' satisfies, but I'm gettin' close
Closer to the prize at the end of the rope

All night long I dream of the day
When it comes around, and it's takin'away
Leaves me with the feelin' that I fear the most
Feel it come to life when I see your ghost

Calm down, don't you resist
Your such a delicate rist
And if i give it a twist
Somethin' to hold when I lose my grip

Will i find something in there,
to give it just what it needs
another reason to bleed
One by one, Hidden up my sleeve

One by one, Hidden up my sleeve

[3x]
Hey, don't let it go to waste
I love it but, i hate that taste
Weight keeping me down

Will I find the believer
Another one who believes
Another one to decieve
Over and over, down on my knees

If I get any closer, I
And if you open up wide
And if you let me inside
On and on, I've got nuthin' to hide

On and on I've got nuthin' to hide

[3x]
Hey, don't let it go to waste
I love it but, i hate that taste
Weight keeping me down

All my life I've been searching for somethin'
Somethin' never comes, never leads to nuthin'
Nothin' satisfies, but I'm gettin' close
Closer to the prize at the end of the rope

All night long I dream of the day
When it comes around, and it's takin'away
Leaves me with the feelin' that I feel the most
Feel it come to life when I see your ghost

Done, done; on to the next one
Done, done, and I'm on to the next one
Done, done, and I'm on to the next one
Done, done, and I'm on to the next one

Done, done, and I'm on to the next one
[2x]
Done, done, and I'm on the next one
Done, i'm done, and I'm on to the next

[3x]
Done, done; on the next one

Done, I'm done; i'm on to the next one

[3x]
Hey, don't let it go to waste
I love it but , i hate that taste
Weight keeping me down

[2x]
Done, done; on the next one

Done, I'm done; i'm on to the next

How many times are things repeated three times... how many times is the word ONE mentioned?

So I was wrong about one song? The correct song has the same dang clues in it. And that still doesn't explain why ALL the other songs point at Gods and Numbers.

Thermal

02-24-2009, 00:09

Beefy is a god to, thats no clue, if that is the case beefy is the godfather, not me :smash:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:10

Beefy is certainly legendary... but when I think about Greek or Roman (heck, how about Norse or Abrahamic Gods?) I don't think of Beef.

And when I think of numbers, 187.... versus 777.... the TRIPLE number clue and the Gods combined means that it's you, Ares, not Beefy.

Sasaki's defense of you is telling, seeing as he's a scumbag, as determined by our Nude Unicyclist.

Beefy187

02-24-2009, 00:11

I just got up and I'm off in 4 hours or so.

I don't think I can spend much time posting a lot as I have to pack a few things..

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 00:12

Oh man I picked a bad time to have to finish a paper in two hours.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:13

Beefy, you won't be here for the final vote.

Such a shame. Such a shame that Beefy won't be here for the final vote. We need all the other townies to vote the same way... there's no margin for error here. If all the mafia vote for someone, then the townies must also all vote the same way to beat them, if there are 2 murders tonight.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 00:17

Pizza. The Atom Heart Mother suite is an instrumental song. There are no lyrics. Go past the first website linked on google.

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/pink-f...te-lyrics.html

This is the very first link from the google search.

Nominating pizza for "honorary jester" :laugh4:

Thermal

02-24-2009, 00:17

Thermal

02-24-2009, 00:18

Sasaki's defense of you is telling, seeing as he's a scumbag, as determined by our Nude Unicyclist.

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-24-2009, 00:21

ATPG makes a good point regarding the numerous references to numbers, and in particular the Gods mentioned. That said it would seem to me to be a leap of faith trusting the songs. For all we know it could be (although I find it unlikely) that the mafia have the ability to pick the songs, and thus mislead us.....

And Andres, voting for me without a glance at my attempted defence... calculated, or attempting to get by with the minimum of questions answered? Either it way it looks a little suspicious....

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 00:25

All I have to say Atpg is that you ahve come up with what 6 distinct major theories (not to mention probably hundreds of smaller theories) and unfortunately, though they turn out to be wrong each time, people still listen to you.

I am not lynching Aries on your advice, I encourage the townies not to do so as well. We should lynch Andres. Aries and the others can warrant a better look later on.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:25

see post 1462 ATPG, most of your case is inaccurate.

One: The Atom Heart Mother Suite Google Search for lyrics revealed.... lyrics. For the wrong song? Fine I don't know why, but it's the TOP GOOGLE ENTRY for that song.

And by the way, GeneralHankerchief would not use an instrumental song to be a clue, because there are no clues in an instrumental song. He must have been REFERRING to what popped up on the Google Search for Atom heart mother suite, which had lots and lots of greek gods in it.

Maybe TinCow can explain it better... I am NOT GOOD WITH MUSIC. All I know is that TinCow produced a clue from that.... Astronomy Domine... also by Pink Floyd.

:wall:

Would one of the other townies assist me here? I can't do this on my own. Music isn't my forte and all the other songs have numbers or Gods in them. Ask TinCow about Astronomy Domine... I don't know.

Fine, ignore Astronomy Domine for one moment. WHY do all the other songs have numbers or Gods in them? Numbers... Gods... numbers... Gods...

Hmmm? What's the defense for that? And why did TinCow produce Astronomy Domine... dangit I'm looking at his original post.

Two: After getting the correct "All my life" song, the same clues were still there. So what do you have to say?

"the" is hardly a damning clue, Sasaki. The fact that you're scum and defending Ares after I presented this case is actually a more damning clue. Plus Ares is all over SkyNet's analysis as a scumbag, his behavior is that of a scumbag, and our trustworthy townies think he's possibly a scumbag. He's active right now, at night, as usual. talking to you no doubt. Formulating your endgame strategy.

Boombox guy has been blasting clues that all indicates 777Ares777 ALL GAME. Explain yourself, defend yourself, and don't act like this isn't a devastating case. You can shrug it off, but your repeated dismissals of it make me laugh. If it's such a bad case, why is Sasaki, the accused scumbag (via vigilante) defending Ares over a bad case?

If the case is so bad, why don't you ignore it, Ares? Why not let town decide if it's a bad case.

@Reenk Roink:
:laugh4: Good thing you cannot vote. :bow: And how wrong are my theories? Tevash was a scum. Lord Winter was a scum. I went home and determined Sasaki was scum, came back to post my theory and guess what??? He was scum but someone else figured that out and offed him. The mafia can recruit. That's the game twist. And Reenk, you appear to be scum too. But you're not the Godfather.

IF YOU WERE A TOWNIE, You'd look at my case objectively and conclude that EVERY SONG points at Ares. You're no townie.

naut

02-24-2009, 00:30

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/pink-floyd-atom-heart-mother-suite-lyrics.html

This is the very first link from the google search.

We can debate this all you want, but all of the songs here have references to Gods or Numbers in them.
That website is wrong those are the lyrics to Pink Floyd's Astronime Domine. Atom Heart Mother doesn't have lyrics, except "Silence in the studio" near the end.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:32

That website is wrong those are the lyrics to Pink Floyd's Astronime Domine. Atom Heart Mother doesn't have lyrics, except "Silence in the studio" near the end.

Yeah, I know. Like I said, ignore that. TinCow also produced that from a Google search, and I was using his data. So ignore that, or ask TinCow because I don't know songs. I only know what Generalhankerchief posted.

ALL THE OTHER SONGS also point at Gods and Numbers, in the title or in the lyrics. What is the alternative explanation?

TinCow

02-24-2009, 00:37

Apparently the lyrics I posted earlier are wrong. If true, I can only shrug. Google gave me lyrics to that song, and I don't know it otherwise so I would have no way to verify whether they were accurate or not. As I've noted previously in my own analyses of the songs, they are at best, supplementary evidence. For a couple days now I've been reduced to little more than gut instinct, and at the moment that gut instinct is saying Andres. Also, sushi, but that's a different part of my gut.

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 00:38

@Reenk Roink:
:laugh4: Good thing you cannot vote. :bow: And how wrong are my theories? Tevash was a scum. Lord Winter was a scum. I went home and determined Sasaki was scum, came back to post my theory and guess what??? He was scum but someone else figured that out and offed him. The mafia can recruit. That's the game twist. And Reenk, you appear to be scum too. But you're not the Godfather.

IF YOU WERE A TOWNIE, You'd look at my case objectively and conclude that EVERY SONG points at Ares. You're no townie.

How many scum are there in the game by your count Atpg? Oh, wait the Mafia can recruit now. Is there any primary evidence for this, or is it a convenient theory that supports your predetermined scums?

I love you Atpg, but I will go back and craft another lynch writeup and wait for the moment for you to be proven wrong... again, which is also something I love. :2thumbsup: :beam: :laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 00:39

"the" is hardly a damning clue, Sasaki.

On the contrary brother pizza. Although the presence of the word "one" CLEARLY indicates 777Ares777, it does so in a way that shows he has a role as a superdetective, capable of investigating the entire town in one night. The word "the" can hardly be a coincidence--how many songs does it appear in? It is clear who it is pointing at, ergo, ipso facto, concordantly, vis a vis...

Ares is a scumbag...Tevash was a scum. Lord Winter was a scum. ... Sasaki was scum...And Reenk, you appear to be scum...

:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:41

Ok... hey, fellows, it's your game too. Lynch whomever you like.

If you follow all of Ares behavior all game, it doesn't make much sense. First he's sure I am scum, then he's sure I am innocent, then he abstains and lurks a lot but is active every night phase, then SkyNet reveals everything he's done is scummy, and I believe it's done so for at least 2 other mafioso this game, and furthermore EVERY SONG has a reference to Gods or Numbers in it.

Lynch who you like, but if Ares has 2 living henchmen still from recruitment, and they both can vote, then you're toast in the upcoming rounds.

I offered my opinion, and it was so damaging that Sasaki Kojiro, who we almost universally think is scum, shows up to defend Ares.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:46

On the contrary brother pizza. Although the presence of the word "one" CLEARLY indicates 777Ares777, it does so in a way that shows he has a role as a superdetective, capable of investigating the entire town in one night. The word "the" can hardly be a coincidence--how many songs does it appear in? It is clear who it is pointing at, ergo, ipso facto, concordantly, vis a vis...
:laugh4:

right. And I'm the Godfather, obviously, because I'm dead. And the vigilante didn't accuse you of being scum, and then die the very next night. And of course, my case is so weak you feel that 777Ares777 cannot defend HIMSELF, you must do it for him.

Laugh all you like, it's not very convincing! :laugh2:

And how about the TRIPLE ones?

111? Surely that doesn't indicate 777. The two, the three in the titles... the songs that repeat three times a single line, or the references to god or gods.
Such a bad case. Not to mention yours and his activity, particularly his, every night except his 3 day absence, or his voting pattern, or yours and his flip-flop regarding whether I am scum or not.

TinCow

02-24-2009, 00:50

ALL THE OTHER SONGS also point at Gods and Numbers, in the title or in the lyrics. What is the alternative explanation?

Occam's Razor.

Karn Evil 9, First Impression, Part 2 - GH's way of welcoming us to the game.

Perry Mason - Something about the detective that we can't figure out, though again I point out that Perry Mason was an attorney, not a detective.

You woke up this Morning - No frickin' clue.

Escalator of Life - No frickin' clue.

One Love - Clear statement by GH that we should all get along after the game got a bit intense.

Still Alive - The mafia is still around.

All My Life - Either the mafia or the town is getting 'close' to winning.

Atom Heart Mother Suite - GH is probably stoned. :2thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 00:58

And then the Boombox guy has no purpose. TinCow.

The lyrics, my friend, the lyrics point at one person in this game. The song titles themselves have 9, 2, and 1 in them, but most of the songs have the word "one", and one of them have "111" in them, you said so yourself.

Plus the references to God.

If they aren't put there deliberately, then why those specific songs? especially when we cannot find an explanation for them? And why is Sasaki defending Ares? Even you, TinCow, think Sasaki is scum, don't you?

:help:

Listen, you will never, ever, get more evidence pointing the finger directly at one person from a host again without it being totally unfair for the Godfather. I've determined that the twist of the game is that the mafia can recruit, something that Ares himself suggested earlier. I will dig out the links myself if I need to.

Nevermind it was Shlin28:

Edit: Or maybe the twist in this game is mafia recruitment.

But at least one other person thinks the mafia can recruit.

Listen, I am a big blabbermouth and a bloodhound who is sniffing a strong scent of scum from Ares. Please help me understand why all the clues in the game point to him.

1. Voting patterns
2. Activity
3. Flip-Flopping (Sasaki versus me, Ares versus me... first Sasaki is OK with me, then suddenly reverses for no reason and "ignores" me, which obviously he's NOT actually doing... then Ares who suddenly reverses and thinks I am scum one moment, and totally innocent the next, and Sasaki is defending Ares)
4. Song writeups all indicate Gods or Numbers
5. SkyNet, which did nail at least 2 mafia this game, I swear it... but ignore that if you want.

I am not always right. But if you look at Ares objectively, the evidence is too compelling to ignore, isn't it???

Someone either commit me to a mental hospital or explain WHO IN THIS GAME is objectively more the Godfather than Ares.

It's been suggested: Reenk or Andres.

I think they are the new henchmen. They are both acting scummy, for sure, and both defending Ares.
But if you don't kill the Godfather, he will just recruit more henchmen.

I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

LittleGrizzly

02-24-2009, 01:08

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 01:10

right. And I'm the Godfather, obviously, because I'm dead. And the vigilante didn't accuse you of being scum, and then die the very next night. And of course, my case is so weak you feel that 777Ares777 cannot defend HIMSELF, you must do it for him.

Laugh all you like, it's not very convincing! :laugh2:

And how about the TRIPLE ones?

111? Surely that doesn't indicate 777. The two, the three in the titles... the songs that repeat three times a single line, or the references to god or gods.
Such a bad case. Not to mention yours and his activity, particularly his, every night except his 3 day absence, or his voting pattern, or yours and his flip-flop regarding whether I am scum or not.

Sorry brother pizza it's plain as day. The mafia can recruit from the dead (NOT the living) and they have made you a new henchman. The clues in the first writeup which I alluded to starting here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2125097#post2125097) and continuing in posts 69, 70, and 75 (I edited them out almost instantly out of caution) reveal this capability. I'm still researching the way to kill those who are already "dead"--if that is indeed necessary, it may be that their purpose is only to distract.

TinCow

02-24-2009, 01:10

And then the Boombox guy has no purpose. TinCow.

Not true. It's GH's way of having a bit of fun and commenting on the game without making any official statements.

The lyrics, my friend, the lyrics point at one person in this game. The song titles themselves have 9, 2, and 1 in them, but most of the songs have the word "one", and one of them have "111" in them, you said so yourself.

It's possible that there are some hints in some lyrics, but definitely NOT in all of the songs. The first song was definitely a 'Welcome to Godfather 3' gesture. 'One Love' was definitely a commentary on the nastiness that went on in the game that round. If GH is making broad commentary like that with those two songs, he is likely doing it with the others as well. As others have noted, GH would not make any clue too direct. He likes pure mafia games, and anything that goes so far as to name a specific living person as mafioso gives the town too large an advantage. In his last game the clue he gave the town was to inform them that there actually wasn't a detective in the game. If GH were to drop clues in this game, I think they would be very amorphous and, at best, would name multiple people at the same time. This is why I jumped on the greenness of the false lyrics. Green could have meant many people, including several who were dead. That's about as good as I would expect a GH clue to get. If there are any clues at all in this game, they're probably about the 'twist,' whatever that may be.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 01:13

I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

Jump! Jump! Jump!

ok ok... I think your putting too much faith into the song choices, better off focusing on the rest of your case, you've certainly made him a suspect in my eyes... along with Andres and Reenk but TBH the only person i would put money on his innocence is pevergreen...

I determined that Ares was the best candidate long before I even LOOKED at the songs.

But... the songs do ALSO indicate Ares, more than anyone else in this game.

1. numbers... only a few people left alive have numbers in their name
2. god or gods... only one person left alive is a direct reference to a god or gods
3. 111... is a triple number
4. lyrics repeating three times in at least one song.

Sasaki himself suggested that the writeups might not be an indication until late game. Now he has no serious alternative theories.

And vote the lurker... it's a very persuasive strategy that all the current suspected mafia are proposing, and none of them are lurkers.

But focus on the meat of my argument against Ares in my earlier accusation, it's fairly good stuff, and I also cleared many people for being under pressure all game but never defended, targets of the scumbags, or doing suicidal behaviors or very, very risky behaviors.

Ares is the only remaining person who the suspected scumbags seem to have a problem with killing. Everyone else is fair game.

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 01:14

Sorry brother pizza it's plain as day. The mafia can recruit from the dead (NOT the living) and they have made you a new henchman. The clues in the first writeup which I alluded to starting here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2125097#post2125097) and continuing in posts 69, 70, and 75 (I edited them out almost instantly out of caution) reveal this capability. I'm still researching the way to kill those who are already "dead"--if that is indeed necessary, it may be that their purpose is only to distract.

Sasaki is misleading you Atpg. :no:

The fact is there are 2 Godfathers, and then a third party came up when I was made the Chief of Police allowing me to become The Wanax, a feared level 29 Psychic Pokemon. Both the dead and living can be converted by these Godfathers, and what's worse, they can convert each others henchmen so I don't even know who my minions are... :rolleyes4:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 01:16

Sasaki is misleading you Atpg. :no:

The fact is there are 2 Godfathers, and then a third party came up when I was made the Chief of Police allowing me to become The Wanax, a feared level 29 Psychic Pokemon. Both the dead and living can be converted by these Godfathers, and what's worse, they can convert each others henchmen so I don't even know who my minions are... :rolleyes4:

Eh, I was semi-joking before but this last is serious. I'll get to work on that writeup about the clues in the first post.

Thermal

02-24-2009, 01:19

And then the Boombox guy has no purpose. TinCow.

The lyrics, my friend, the lyrics point at one person in this game. The song titles themselves have 9, 2, and 1 in them, but most of the songs have the word "one", and one of them have "111" in them, you said so yourself.

Plus the references to God.

If they aren't put there deliberately, then why those specific songs? especially when we cannot find an explanation for them? And why is Sasaki defending Ares? Even you, TinCow, think Sasaki is scum, don't you?

:help:

Listen, you will never, ever, get more evidence pointing the finger directly at one person from a host again without it being totally unfair for the Godfather. I've determined that the twist of the game is that the mafia can recruit, something that Ares himself suggested earlier. I will dig out the links myself if I need to.

Nevermind it was Shlin28:

But at least one other person thinks the mafia can recruit.

Listen, I am a big blabbermouth and a bloodhound who is sniffing a strong scent of scum from Ares. Please help me understand why all the clues in the game point to him.

1. Voting patterns
2. Activity
3. Flip-Flopping (Sasaki versus me, Ares versus me... first Sasaki is OK with me, then suddenly reverses for no reason and "ignores" me, which obviously he's NOT actually doing... then Ares who suddenly reverses and thinks I am scum one moment, and totally innocent the next, and Sasaki is defending Ares)
4. Song writeups all indicate Gods or Numbers
5. SkyNet, which did nail at least 2 mafia this game, I swear it... but ignore that if you want.

I am not always right. But if you look at Ares objectively, the evidence is too compelling to ignore, isn't it???

Someone either commit me to a mental hospital or explain WHO IN THIS GAME is objectively more the Godfather than Ares.

It's been suggested: Reenk or Andres.

I think they are the new henchmen. They are both acting scummy, for sure, and both defending Ares.
But if you don't kill the Godfather, he will just recruit more henchmen.

I must be crazy. Talk me down from this ledge, my fellow townies...

ummm, silence, kinda :clown:! Were only on a forum and your giving me earache :furious3:

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 01:21

:wizard:

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 01:23

~:grouphug: ~:pat: :bow: :shakehands:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 01:25

:mellow:

I think I'll take a cue from Sasaki Kojiro... seeing as how he's ignored me all game after I started intensely questioning his methods earlier, so I couldn't continue... but now he's obviously NOT ignoring me.

:laugh4:

It's so obvious to me what's going on. If you want to fool the town, Sasaki, you're better off not directing your arguments at me, but at them. I don't trust you, and I'm following suit with your original tactic, which is to put you on ignore for the remainder of the game.

Ignores Sasaki Kojiro, but not really.

As for Reenk, he's not being serious at all, and he's not responding to me honestly, so same with him.

Ignores Reenk Roink, courteously.

:bow:

(I'm not being serious, but I am pointing out that the "ignore" tactic is nothing more than hiding.)

As for 777Ares777, I dared him to defend himself, and he's failed utterly in that regard. He's moved on to other games now, because he knows that the cat is out of the bag.

I will NOT put Ares on ignore. The onus is on him now to defend himself, Sasaki can no longer do that for him for the remainder of the game in my eyes.

I don't believe a word Andres says now, due to his case against Gaius which he pulled out of the clear blue sky, and most of it made absolutely no sense and was instantly refuted, but he won't drop it.

At this point, I'm making my case to the people I've already cleared as innocent, because you've ALL been mafia targets for lynch all game, accused of being lurkers, suspected on poor reasoning, and the only person that's really avoided such harassment is Ares.

I also am making my case to the trustworthy dead, like Psychonaut and TinCow and most of the rest of you. I have seen nothing which even begins to refute the evidence against Ares, barring some minor technical difficulties on the song evidence which still do not significantly damage the case, because all the evidence STILL points the way of Ares, greek god, with sevens.

:shrug:

I am content, at this time, to either shut up at your command, or continue the prosecution. I believe the proof is right before your eyes. See Sasaki Kojiro defend Ares... see Reenk defend Ares... see Andres ignore Ares as a suspect... see TevashSzat's silence... see Lord Winter's silence... see that Ares has been on the org almost every single night phase, and day phase, and hasn't contributed much of substance and STILL appears to have a strategy of abstaining, lynching the easy targets like lurkers, and trying to avoid attention.

I'm convinced it's him. I've laid my case... I am listening to the rest of you, of course, and I'm sure you're tired of listening to me.

Do as you will, and I'll support it. I've done what I can.