The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 7

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 02:43

@AskthePizza guy you need to consolidate your case more, your going all over the place and even contradicting yourself. First of all you state both me and Saski are guilty but according to your previous logic anyone who tried to lynch me is innocent. You've been using it as a defense all game. Now you're saying that the person who lead my lynch is guilty, but your not because of one vote on me? Fallices like that are everywhere in your logic. No ones guilt is proven, Teevesh could be innocent, I am innocent (we won't go there unless you want to). Silence prove nothing. Tincow is right, this game has produced far more information then we need and now is the time to start consolidating it and making it usable.

Nope.

If the Godfather can recruit, the idea is to lynch a bunch of mafioso and prove your own innocence.

Is it any wonder you've been quiet all this time? And I'm not the Godfather, so everything else you've said about me being suspect is basically irrelevant.

My case is based on evidence that cannot be fabricated, and your silence until now, speaks volumes. You defend Ares too.... why not send a message to TevashSzat and have him show up? Why not dial up mafioso from previous games to defend Ares. :laugh4:

I've already restated my case in a very short brief amount several times.

1. Ares is the best candidate based on who is accusing him, and who is NOT.
2. Ares has been active every night barring his one absence.
3. Ares had suspected me, then reversed for NO REASON.
4. Ares has been reluctant to make big decisions or produce suspects other than the easiest possible targets.
5. SkyNet has totally pointed the finger at him.
6. pevergreen, the only living townie we can trust, due to YLC's suicide, thinks Ares is guilty
7. Everyone who is defending Ares has a reason to. Either dead mafioso, or recruited mafioso.
8. You haven't helped us all game, and murders dropped to one after you died.
9. Sasaki was ID'ed as a scumbag by our benefactor, the nude unicyclist vigilante, who died very quickly thereafter.
10. By my count, you and TevashSzat were the original henchmen, and then Sasaki was recruited, was ID'ed, was vigilante'd, and then Andres and Reenk Roink are the current henchmen.
11. No one has given more reasons for a player to be lynched ever in the history of mafia games, ever.
12. The song writeups include repeated references to numbers, gods, and triple repeats.

Now, mafia, would you kindly curl up and die? I've been dead for some time and I understand there are a lot of you to keep me company. We can play cards or something. I bet another 10000000 trillion dollars that Ares is the Godfather, given all the scummy people defending him.

Everyone else.... played such a good game, avoided detection, and have no real clues darning them to heck, so if anyone else is the Godfather, I say let them have it! I've done the best I can.

And I had fun. So if town ignores me and lynches lurkers, henchmen, or other people who aren't the Godfather, 777Ares777 and all you other mafia will have earned a very nice victory, and the game was compelling, gripping, and fun, and I got to play "whack-a-mole" with all the recruited henchmen and I got to accuse the Godfather while the game still had a chance of townie victory.

I even wrote a delightful bit of fan fiction based on the events of this game, and their frightening parallels with Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. So, you know, whatever happens, Lord Winter, enjoy your victory and I'm happy with the game's ending.

:bow:

Lord Winter

02-24-2009, 03:12

Nope.

If the Godfather can recruit, the idea is to lynch a bunch of mafioso and prove your own innocence.

Is it any wonder you've been quiet all this time? And I'm not the Godfather, so everything else you've said is basically irrelevant.

My case is based on evidence that cannot be fabricated, and your silence until now, speaks volumes. You defend Ares too.... why not send a message to TevashSzat and have him show up? Why not dial up mafioso from previous games to defend Ares.

Your going against another one of your primary logical tools this game, Occam's razor. A constantly recruiting Godfather has never been proven. Basing your whole strategy on an unsupported thesis will kill the town . We don't have many lynches left and can't afford to waste any. Being certain in mafia is an incredibly easy way to lose.

I see nothing in my post that would implicate you as godfather. I was merely pointing out logical fallicies and your shift away from all the logical methods you were using earlier. Now your case against Ares isn't bad, but its got alot of holes in it. For example:

1. Ares is the best candidate based on who is accusing him, and who is NOT.

The evidence of who is accusing him and who is defending him is useless when the alignment of said townies are unknown. Also circumstantial.

2. Ares has been active every night barring his one absence.
Circumstantial, being active does not indicate guilt. As others have pointed out a mafioso can send in there orders earlier or through there partner.

5. SkyNet has totally pointed the finger at him.
Unproven and known to be wrong. Reenk made a good case against the use of skynet earlier this game. Furthermore all systems take time to be debugged. Even Holmes took a couple games to get into the swing of things.

6. pevergreen, the only living townie we can trust, due to YLC's suicide, thinks Ares is guilty
Innocents can be wrong, it happens all the time. Also pevergreen isn't a CI.

8. You haven't helped us all game, and murders dropped to one after you died.

One, I've just been following the thread. I haven't had the time to go comb through and look for suspects like this town demands. Second, like I said before its a common mafia tactic to frame townies by dropping there kills.

The last thing, your constantly recruiting godfather theory would seriously unbalance the game, something GH would never allow.

Now, mafia, would you kindly curl up and die? I've been dead for some time and I understand there are a lot of you to keep me company. We can play cards or something. I bet another 10000000 trillion dollars that Ares is the Godfather, given all the scummy people defending him.

Everyone else.... played such a good game, avoided detection, and have no real clues darning them to heck, so if anyone else is the Godfather, I say let them have it! I've done the best I can.

And I had fun. So if town ignores me and lynches lurkers, henchmen, or other people who aren't the Godfather, 777Ares777 and all you other mafia will have earned a very nice victory, and the game was compelling, gripping, and fun, and I got to play "whack-a-mole" with all the recruited henchmen and I got to accuse the Godfather while the game still had a chance of townie victory.

I even wrote a delightful bit of fan fiction based on the events of this game, and their frightening parallels with Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. So, you know, whatever happens, Lord Winter, enjoy your victory and I'm happy with the game's ending.

I still proclaim my innocence but I know that the evidence is stacked against me. It has been the main reason I haven't been posting before. Its only when I see the town constructing their entire argument on a falsehood or stretch, that I've been driven to post. If you want me to stop posting I'll go away and wish the town luck.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 03:34

Your going against another one of your primary logical tools this game, Occam's razor. A constantly recruiting Godfather has never been proven. Basing your whole strategy on an unsupported thesis will kill the town . We don't have many lynches left and can't afford to waste any. Being certain in mafia is an incredibly easy way to lose.

I never said I was certain, I said I had a strong case, and I also pointed out that everyone else in the game have patterns of behavior, posting, voting, etc, which makes them unlikely to be the Godfather in not just my estimation, but others as well.

I see nothing in my post that would implicate you as godfather. I was merely pointing out logical fallicies and your shift away from all the logical methods you were using earlier. Now your case against Ares isn't bad, but its got alot of holes in it. For example:

Here we go. :bow:

The evidence of who is accusing him and who is defending him is useless when the alignment of said townies are unknown. Also circumstantial.

Sasaki is very, very likely scum due to the writeup which indicated the nude unicyclist had determined his guilt and then off'ed him, and then the mafia killed him or we townies lynched him.

Everything in the game is unknown and circumstantial until the game is over, so I don't know why you're bothering to point that out.

Why bother analyzing ANY writeup, any behavior, any lurking, or any post quality, analysis, or use any evidence in mafia games, if we toss out the circumstantial? Lord Winter, you and every other mafia player use circumstantial evidence to accuse people.

Otherwise, we random vote. That's all.

Circumstantial, being active does not indicate guilt. As others have pointed out a mafioso can send in there orders earlier or through there partner.

Yes, but mafia must do night actions during the night phase, and it's convenient for them all to meet to discuss their plans at that time.

Unproven and known to be wrong. Reenk made a good case against the use of skynet earlier this game. Furthermore all systems take time to be debugged. Even Holmes took a couple games to get into the swing of things.

You cannot know I was wrong about anyone in this game, besides nailing mafia/town instead of the Godfather, until the game is over.

That is, unless you're the mafioso I suspect you to be. But who cares? I've stated my case. Let's get to lynching!

String them up! String them up! String them up! I don't care who, I want to see how it all ends! Suspense is not my forte!

Innocents can be wrong, it happens all the time. Also pevergreen isn't a CI.

Yes, but the mafia will be wrong about who the Godfather is 100% of the time. And they will lynch henchmen and act scummy if the Godfather can recruit, which is a possibility which explains much of the game.

One, I've just been following the thread. I haven't had the time to go comb through and look for suspects like this town demands. Second, like I said before its a common mafia tactic to frame townies by dropping there kills.

Yes, it's all a conspiracy against you Lord Winter, because the mafia wouldn't want to kill two people every night for 4-5 phases, you're too valuable as a framed victim.

I don't think so. Occam's razor says you're guilty, but the fact that you've been here, following the thread, and NOT HELPING, tells me you're scum. Say your innocence all you like. The townies who aren't helping also aren't following the thread. You're following it because you have an interest in who wins, more than the usual townie.

The last thing, your constantly recruiting godfather theory would seriously unbalance the game, something GH would never allow.

NO IT WOULD NOT.

The Godfather dies, the game ends. The Godfather never gets more than 2 henchmen, and only can recruit if one dies.

That's a perfectly balanced game, in fact ITS MORE BALANCED than the traditional Godfather and two henchmen setup because once his henchmen fall he's a sitting duck. Now at least the Godfather has a fighting chance... what with all you scumbags defending him and misleading the entire town.

I still proclaim my innocence but I know that the evidence is stacked against me. It has been the main reason I haven't been posting before. Its only when I see the town constructing their entire argument on a falsehood or stretch, that I've been driven to post. If you want me to stop posting I'll go away and wish the town luck.

If you were innocent, you'd have other suspects.

The fact that you're here to defend Ares, not assist the town in finding the Godfather, shows your true allegiance.

You're not fooling anyone you know. If you were a shred of a townie you'd have been helping us all this time. But frankly, at this time, you're probably a mafia and you're just here to defend Ares against my GOOD case.

If it were such a bad case, all you henchmen wouldn't need to help him out. You're just trying to help me present a better argument and find the real Godfather... HAH! I believe that like I believe that the government always acts in my best interest. I trust you, Lord Winter... your actions have convinced me you have the Godfather's well-being in mind.

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

Best of all, if I were wrong about Ares being the Godfather... why... the mafia are having a good laugh, and GeneralHankerchief will have a thread to re-read and amuse himself with for years to come.

No matter what happens, I've either been an entertaining fool, as Sasaki suggests, or I've got the scum on the ropes. Why should I be afraid of what happens next? Do whatever you want. It's ok by me I'm just one player, who is dead.

:medievalcheers: :shakehands:

I've... had... the time of my life... and I owe it all to you...

Me:
Now I've had the time of my life
No I never felt like this before
Yes I swear it's the truth
and I owe it all to you

Mafia: 'Cause I've had the time of my life
and I owe it all to you

Me: I've been waiting for so long
Now I've finally found someone
To stand by me

Mafia: We saw the writing on the wall
As we felt this magical fantasy

Mafia: Now with passion in our eyes
There's no way we could disguise his identity
So we take each other's hand
'Cause we seem to understand the urgency

Me: just remember

Mafia: You're the one thing

Me: I can't get enough of

Mafia: So I'll tell you something

Both: They could be Scum because

(CHORUS)
Both: I've had the time of my life
No I never felt this way before
Yes I swear it's the truth
And I owe it all to you
'Cause I've had the time of my life
And I've searched through every open door
'Til I found the truth
And I owe it all to you

mafia: With my body and soul
I want to win more than you'll ever know

Me: So I'll just let it go
Don't be afraid to lose control

Mafia: Yes I know whats on your mind
When we say:
"Why don't you shut up Pizzaguy?"

:laugh4:

Me: Just remember
You're the one thing

Mafia: I can't get enough of

Me: So I'll tell you something

Both: They could be Scum, because

(CHORUS)
Both: 'Cause I had the time of my life
No I've never felt this way before
Yes I swear it's the truth
And I owe it all to you
'Cause I've had the game of my life
And I've searched through SkyNet before
Till I found the truth
and I owe it all to you

*Instrumental*

Me: Now I've had the time of my life
No I never felt this way before

(Mafia: Never Felt this way)

Me: Yes I swear it's the truth
and I owe it all to you

Mafia: 'Cause we had the time of our life
And we've told Pizzaguy to hush before
Till he found out the truth
and now we're defending Ares till we turn blue

Both: "cause I've had the time of my life
No I've never felt this way before
Yes I swear it's the truth
And I owe it all to you, GH!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
:bow:

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Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 03:35

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 03:39

Either help, or leave.

I draw the line at statements like these. Every player has a right to post in this thread, regardless of their intentions.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 03:40

Lord Winter is sounding disturbingly innocent, lol. Don't get the motivation for a mafioso to poke their nose in at this point. However, I don't think it's that useful to speculate too much about who was mafia. LW and Tevash, Tevash and Seamus, w/e. I think Curio is a good choice for next lynch. At this point I go mostly on gut.

Gut instincts are the best reasons of them all! They helped me destroy town's chances in Chicago Soiree, and they led us astray in Scourge of Ephesus... and it got me to accuse White_eyes instead of the person we had thought was mafia all along in Family Guy... It's ruined town's chances in almost every single game I've seen town lose.

Gut instincts trump evidence and analysis and writeup clues and scummy defense clues. :smash:
I don't agree, Sasaki.

Oops forgot, we're ignoring each other. :grin:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 03:41

I draw the line at statements like these. Every player has a right to post in this thread, regardless of their intentions.

Understood, and edited out, and my sincere apologies, GH.

I've had a bit stronger stuff in my direction this game, I didn't mean anything by it.

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 03:42

It's all good. :smoking:

Lord Winter

02-24-2009, 03:49

If you were innocent, you'd have other suspects.

The fact that you're here to defend Ares, not assist the town in finding the Godfather, shows your true allegiance.

You're not fooling anyone you know. If you were a shred of a townie you'd have been helping us all this time. Either help, or leave. But frankly, at this time, you're probably a mafia and you're just here to defend Ares against my GOOD case.

If it were such a bad case, all you henchmen wouldn't need to help him out. You're just trying to help me present a better argument and find the real Godfather... HAH! I believe that like I believe that the government always acts in my best interest. I trust you, Lord Winter... your actions have convinced me you have the Godfather's well-being in mind.

Two things, first it would be ridiculously stupid with the amount of suspicion I have around me to show up and defend my teammate. Secondly questioning and refining cases is just as important, if not more, as finding new suspects. The fact is in most games that there is multiable cases being built at a time and most of those are innocent townies. If the town can improve its lynch accuracy it should. Saying that I can't defend others is akin to deny a person of the right to defend himself. If it's a good case, the case will stand and be strengthed by repeated questioning. If its a bad case then the town has no purpose lynching that person anyway.

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 04:01

Gah!

Well, I've stated my case, re-stated it, defended it from the "suspicious/dead" people. Leaving for the possibilities of me being wrong and causing the game to be less fun, I really gotta get going. Either my candidate is a good one or he's not, and that's for others to determine, and I tried my best to help out, and we're coming up on the final round and if there's going to be a discussion that doesn't involve my two cents, which given the fact that I am dead, there really should be, at least among the living townies...

It all boils down to this; I've stated my case, and my role in this game is over. Ares had lots of help in defending himself from people who couldn't possibly know his guilt or innocence unless they were mafia, so, that's that and it's all good in the hood!

I for one will never, ever spend as much time, energy, etc. on a future game, because it eats up too much of my RL time and also, whether the cases I present are valid or not, having one player influence things too much does detract from other's play. And so, I can't continue to act as an inquisitor of this scale in future games.

It's time to get back to just having fun and not caring a whole lot about winning, as some have helpfully suggested.
:bow:

"You won't have Askthepizzaguy to kick around anymore"
:clown: (joke)

I'll still be around, but not nearly this active. This is ridiculous, even I admit. If it takes this much to prove someone guilty, it's not worth it. Let them win, I say!

Here's a balloon for the winning team: :balloon:

And a friendly handshake to the second place finishers: :shakehands:

And a ~:grouphug: for good sportsmanship.

:medievalcheers:
See you guys in Capo.

And @Lord Winter- Good point. You have every right to defend Ares and question my case. It's not important, it's night phase I believe and there will be plenty of time for discussion that doesn't involve me in the day phase. At that point, the town and the mafia will choose the champion, and I will congratulate the winner with a bow.

I think both sides played a very good game, and there were very strong efforts by many, many players.

In the end, I'd even be happy being on the losing side. This was a thrill ride from start to finish, got a little overheated at times, but... we're all still cool, and I think we all have a sense of humor about all this, and perspective. It's a nice diversion from real life and real antagonisms. Here, we get to spar with wits and no matter who wins or loses, there's always another game.

No one wins forever or loses forever... everyone here has probably been on a winning team at least once. And there are some people that frankly are due to win, and if I were in a game with them I'd probably avoid accusing them so that they have a fair shot at winning their fair share and enjoying all the fun that comes with a good win. There are some people here that are due to be mafia, but I think they've been overlooked and not picked too often. Such being the case, I'm inclined to give them more benefit of the doubt than those who have recently beaten the town soundly.

It's not metagaming to do so, it's trying to make sure everyone gets to have as much fun as possible. If Ares, for example, were the Godfather in this game... he played a heck of a game and if he wins, he certainly deserves it. I hope to see some of our other fun players get the wins they deserve for their excellent contributions in many games so far.

[Town starts getting out the rubber chickens again]

...I'd better skedaddle. Good game, town, Good game mafia. May the good players win and the good players who lost still have loads of fun.

:bow:

Beefy187

02-24-2009, 04:11

And good luck Gaius for your first ever victory in mafia. You deserve it :yes:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 04:12

LOLZ

And Beefy, since you've been the Godfather all along, congrats on your win. :laugh2:

Beefy187

02-24-2009, 04:15

LOLZ

And Beefy, since you've been the Godfather all along, congrats on your win. :laugh2:

Cheers :2thumbsup:

Wait what? I blame Ares for the scummy new sig!! Conspiracy I say!! :smash:

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 04:16

TinCow

02-24-2009, 04:17

https://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1892/scaredcat.jpg

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 04:19

Yet another reason for me to finally shut the :daisy: up!

:laugh4:

The more I cry "Wolf", the less people will listen, and the more I type, the less they read.

*shoots himself in the foot and hops around like a pizzaguy who just shot his foot off.*

That image is TRULY disturbing, TinCow. :2thumbsup:

Beefy187

02-24-2009, 04:21

If you recall, earlier I totally avoided accusing you, Beefy.

Like I said, if you are the Godfather, congrats on your win. Serves town right for lynching you every game on poor reasoning.

:laugh4:

That said, I would actually be surprised if it were you. Wouldn't be a mafia game without you, sir.

And thanks to this conversation, my place for the final lot of survivors is sealed..
"What about Beefy?"
"Leave him.. Lynch bait:yes:"

I'll hate to have another Kung Fu mafia situation :wall:

Off to lunch.. Gone for real now

Askthepizzaguy

02-24-2009, 04:36

I'm going to start being one of Beefy's defenders in future games.

No one touches the Beef.

:brood:

:knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight: :knight:

Gone for real now too.

Edit: Oh, and for thoroughness, apparently some of those characters in the Astronomy thing weren't gods, but they were mythological figures or based on mythological figures, but seeing as it doesn't matter because the song in question wasn't part of the game... blah de blah blah.

Andres

02-24-2009, 10:56

I still think Andres is a better choice to lynch. Andres has just sailed through this game without batting an eyelash. His play has been too cool the entire time; his responses always perfectly designed to allay any suspicions about him and point the finger at other people. Looking back, he's picked up a grand total of ONE lynch vote since the first lynch phase, and even that one was just because Reenk forgot to unvote him when he tried to vote for someone else. For some reason, I just feel like an innocent Andres would attract more suspicion that this. An Andres that sails through a game without suspicion makes me nervous. It's also worth noting that one of the two people who voted for Andres on the first lynch vote was Tevash, who is likely mafia. Not a bad idea to vote your own Godfather early on, if it doesn't get him lynched.

Apparently the lyrics I posted earlier are wrong. If true, I can only shrug. Google gave me lyrics to that song, and I don't know it otherwise so I would have no way to verify whether they were accurate or not. As I've noted previously in my own analyses of the songs, they are at best, supplementary evidence. For a couple days now I've been reduced to little more than gut instinct, and at the moment that gut instinct is saying Andres. Also, sushi, but that's a different part of my gut.

So, I should be lynched because, eh, I have not been under suspicion and did not behave suspicious this game?

:inquisitive:

Why do you hate me :bigcry:

ATPG makes a good point regarding the numerous references to numbers, and in particular the Gods mentioned. That said it would seem to me to be a leap of faith trusting the songs. For all we know it could be (although I find it unlikely) that the mafia have the ability to pick the songs, and thus mislead us.....

And Andres, voting for me without a glance at my attempted defence... calculated, or attempting to get by with the minimum of questions answered? Either it way it looks a little suspicious....

I was afk from Saturday morning until Monday afternoon. Only had time to end the night in The Abused Potatoes, skimmed The Godfather thread, noticed there was an extension and quickly voted you.

It's been suggested: Reenk or Andres.

I think they are the new henchmen. They are both acting scummy, for sure, and both defending Ares.
But if you don't kill the Godfather, he will just recruit more henchmen.

Where exactly did I defend Ares?

For the record: this is my first post since you started the Ares case based on the lyrics of songs.

Really guys, lynching a player for the mere fact that he's still alive is not good.

TinCow

02-24-2009, 12:59

So, I should be lynched because, eh, I have not been under suspicion and did not behave suspicious this game?

At this point in the game, yes. It's no coincidence that pretty much everyone else has been under suspicion for one reason or another. Townies tend to be focused mainly on finding the mafia and aren't usually constantly concerned about how their posts are being viewed throughout the game. Mafia, on the other hand, are always aware of how their posts will be interpreted because they are afraid of giving something away. You are a very, very good player. I would not put it past you to be able to go the entire game as mafia without making anyone suspicious about you.

I'm just sticking with the policy of searching of abnormalities or irregularities in the thread. At the moment, the biggest one I see is the nice layer of scum covering everyone but you. Why do you end up being so squeaky clean while everyone else is suspicious? Counterintuitive, yes, but it's all I've got at the moment.

Andres

02-24-2009, 13:03

At this point in the game, yes. It's no coincidence that pretty much everyone else has been under suspicion for one reason or another. Townies tend to be focused mainly on finding the mafia and aren't usually constantly concerned about how their posts are being viewed throughout the game. Mafia, on the other hand, are always aware of how their posts will be interpreted because they are afraid of giving something away. You are a very, very good player. I would not put it past you to be able to go the entire game as mafia without making anyone suspicious about you.

I'm just sticking with the policy of searching of abnormalities or irregularities in the thread. At the moment, the biggest one I see is the nice layer of scum covering everyone but you. Why do you end up being so squeaky clean while everyone else is suspicious? Counterintuitive, yes, but it's all I've got at the moment.

So, to defend myself, I have to find a scummy post made by me?

Your case against me sounds a bit silly, doesn't it?

TinCow

02-24-2009, 14:36

So, to defend myself, I have to find a scummy post made by me?

Your case against me sounds a bit silly, doesn't it?

If it makes it easier for you, don't consider it a 'case' at all. It's just my attempt to explain my current gut feelings about the game. Yes, it's pretty much impossible to defend against this kind of a attack, but at the same time I'm dead and the only other person who seems inclined to vote for you recently got his voting power taken away.

In any case, I've said what I wanted to say and don't see the need to hammer on it any further. If you'd like to propose an argument as to why someone else is lynch-worthy, I will listen to it.

Quintus.JC

02-24-2009, 16:49

Andres

02-24-2009, 17:13

Vote: Andres

Your behaviour is way too cool and smooth this game

Aries or Curio can be next.

Anyone want to check on White Eyes? He's normally really suicidal and dies very early on, the only recently game where he died late is Chiago. Plus I didn't notice anyone putting White Eyes under pressure in this game.

It's night.

Anyway, if "too cool and smooth" is your case, then I can only defend with : :inquisitive:

Why Aries and then Curio?

And the case against White_Eyes:D is the same as the case against me : not behaving suspicious?

:inquisitive:

Thermal

02-24-2009, 19:17

Has the madman gone now? :clown: Seriously I did defend myself on numerous posts, but when it gets to the point where ATPG rabbles on with the same questions, just re-phrased, I refuse to repeat myself, It wouldn't matter what I would have said, ATPG would never believe me.

LittleGrizzly

02-24-2009, 19:47

Andres

02-24-2009, 20:03

And the case against White_Eyes:D is the same as the case against me : not behaving suspicious?

Quick hypothetical situation for you Andres, if you were mafia would you try and avoid being scummy in your posts ?

Like everybody else, I would try to behave as usual.

The fact that I'm not lynched or haven't been under pressure in this game may be unusual, but I don't think that is my doing.

Maybe townies finally accepted that, like everybody else, I usually get the townie role :shrug:

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 20:07

Night 9

pevergreen was really tired and frightened after the lynching of glyphz. The new Chief of polices, "Wanax" scared the living daylights out of him. That void of nothingness, yet it consumes everything that goes in, even glyphz when he was turned into a gingerbread man was not spared from it.

He had to get his mind off of it and found himself going to the old Chief of polices mansion, that he had made by embezzling the police forces budget money. He missed shlin28 and his lovely "aides" that he had, he missed the power-hungry townie that used to amuse him and hated this new one and his creepy "Wanax". As he went to go inside he saw a man in a business suit and hat, waving at him. "That's weird, could he be auctioning this place off?" he thought but was then shocked when he pulled out a grenade and tossed it towards him.

pevergreen had quick reflex's and jumped quickly inside the mansion and covered his head, only to realize to his horror, it was a gas grenade. He was knocked out and a few hours passed, pevergreen slowly woke up and saw that he was tied to a chair and was surrounded by drums of gasoline. "Now how should I do this, in order to send the proper message to your new Chief of police?" the man in the business suit asked pevergreen. "Should I slowly kill you or just blow this place up?" pevergreen didn't replie but only struggled to escape from the chair. "I know! FIRE, a big fire well send the perfect message to your new Chief of Police" replied the man in the business suit, who grinned wildly as he walked outside.

He came back and took out a gas container and started dowsing the place in gasoline. Even throwing some on the struggling pevergreen, who panicked even more. "Don't worry, this is just going to hurt like :daisy:" as he lit a lighter and tossed it on the gasoline drenched pevergreen, who started screaming as his body slowly started on fire. All the police found when they arrived was DVD entitled "pevergreens fiery farewell" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYdA8RSMfgw) and the Chief of polices old mansion burnt to the ground, with pevergreen charred corpse in the center of it.

Luckily, Chief of Police Reenk Roink was not present in the building at the time of the explosion, his many heightened senses as The Wanax alerting him to a possible threat. Thirty minutes prior, he had strolled out of the mansion/office in full Wanax regalia, passing the man with the boombox playing "We Have All the Time in the World" by Louis Armstrong, and disappeared out of sight.

Nobody would see The Wanax again until the voting was to conclude, but by this point everybody was so terrified of him that they made their way to the Gameroom square and began voting anyway, without prompting.

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Still alive: (8)
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27
pevergreen

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
glyphz

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ANNOUNCEMENT: The endgame is upon us! As such, there are a few changes in the rules:

- First of all, no more abstentions. If you abstain, you will register as not voting. Keep in mind that enough non-votes can and will result in your removal from play.

- Secondly, I know I have two additional players lined up to take the spots of anybody who drops out (and I know at least one of them is reading the thread :wink:) but we've gotten down to so few players that it wouldn't be fair to add you in at the last minute. Thank you for your continued interest.

- Thirdly, The Chief of Police can now vote.

Good luck, everybody! :2thumbsup:

LittleGrizzly

02-24-2009, 20:10

Personally when i was scum my main aim was to try and act exactly like i usually do, of course when it come to actually constructing a post then... i would check over the post... think twice about posting anything at all that could be taken the wrong way (or more accurately not taken the way i intended)

The case is ironic but logical... which was my point basically...

Personally im unsure on you... just a gut instinct rather than something you've done... im dead anyway so not to worry, was just pointing out that TC's case has some sense to it....

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 20:12

Love the song choice...anyway I'd recommend curio. I think Andres is innocent.

LittleGrizzly

02-24-2009, 20:14

Still alive: (8)
pevergreen
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27
pevergreen

pevergreen appears to be some kind of undead or living dead... cool!

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 20:15

Thanks. :embarassed:

Andres

02-24-2009, 20:15

TinCow

02-24-2009, 20:26

I would just like to thank the mafioso for providing a write-up with such incredibly poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation that I refuse to believe it is anything but staged. I think it actually requires intimate knowledge of the workings of the English language to create a piece of writing that makes me want to rip out my eyeballs. I would thus look those with higher education degrees and who otherwise write well to find our mafioso; someone like my dear friend, Andres.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 20:32

In the last game I played with curio he was a very active townie. He had about as many posts as andres and tincow (48) and was active in a townie quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/7mYXVeVbvbBEn) with more posts.

Near the bottom of this page is an example of late round investigation work:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103099&page=33

In this game he has 25 posts and his investigation is much less in depth. Often one of the things mafioso have trouble with is keeping up the same level of investigation work--it's harder to fake suspicion, it brings unwanted attention, and they just don't care as much.

**********

I think Andres is innocent because threatening suicide as he does here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137427&postcount=877) is something I don't believe he'd do as mafia. It's too dishonest and I think he'd consider it unsportsmanlike, that's my impression of Andres anyway.

*********

Reenk is someone we might have to lynch but I don't think this is the round to do it.

Andres

02-24-2009, 20:32

intimate knowledge of the workings of the English language

I'm not a native speaker, as you are well aware.

So, in addition to the "he doesn't behave suspicious" you now throw "that write-up was so not like Andres that it has to be written by him?"

I think you're being paranoid now.

:inquisitive:

TinCow

02-24-2009, 20:37

I think Andres is innocent because threatening suicide as he does here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2137427&postcount=877) is something I don't believe he'd do as mafia. It's too dishonest and I think he'd consider it unsportsmanlike, that's my impression of Andres anyway.

This is a fair point, but it is worth noting that if Andres was the Godfather, a suicide would end the game. Given the very hostile tone of the game at that point in time, and Andres' job as Mod of the Gameroom, I think it would have been entirely reasonable for him to consider forcibly ending the game in this manner. I would thus not consider the suicide discussion as evidence for or against him.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 20:38

GeneralHankerchief

02-24-2009, 20:40

If anybody was to suicide, I would replace them, no matter their role.

Although if it was the Godfather, I would elevate one of his grunts to the position and make the newcomer a Grunt instead for ease of transition's sake.

-edit- and for the record, nobody knew of this mechanic until now.

Andres

02-24-2009, 20:41

This is a fair point, but it is worth noting that if Andres was the Godfather, a suicide would end the game. Given the very hostile tone of the game at that point in time, and Andres' job as Mod of the Gameroom, I think it would have been entirely reasonable for him to consider forcibly ending the game in this manner. I would thus not consider the suicide discussion as evidence for or against him.

For the record and in all honesty, my decision to eventually not commit suicide was not influenced by in game role or position as moderator.

At that point I was sincerely and deeply disappointed.

It should indeed not be considered as evidence for or against me.

:bow:

TinCow

02-24-2009, 20:48

I'm not a native speaker, as you are well aware.

So, in addition to the "he doesn't behave suspicious" you now throw "that write-up was so not like Andres that it has to be written by him?"

I think you're being paranoid now.

:inquisitive:

This is actually the first decent idea I think I've had in a while. Look at this objectively, and I think you'll see what I mean. That write-up has an extraordinary number of grammar, spelling, and punctuation errors. I have not counted, but I do feel like there are far, far more in that write-up than in any of the other ones we have seen. At this point in the game, the mafioso should be pouring over the nightly write-ups to make sure they do not reveal themselves with a slip-up. This would be especially true for those who doubted their ability to detect a pattern in their own style. I would thus expect the current write-ups to have very few errors.

The existence of so many in the previous write-up is almost certainly because they were intentionally inserted. This, in itself, is something that requires skill to do. In order to be able to create a write-up that so skillfully mimics an extremely poor or inattentive writer, one must understand how to write well in the first place. I thus believe that this most recent writer is very skilled. I singled you out, because I know that you have exceptional writing abilities, despite not being a native English speaker. If I am improperly fingering you, then at least consider my argument on its merits and help figure out which other living players could fit this profile.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 20:51

I singled you out, because I know that you have exceptional writing abilities, despite not being a native English speaker. If I am improperly fingering you, then at least consider my argument on its merits and help figure out which other living players could fit this profile.

Reenk, Curio, and Quintus. I don't see anything but wifom in your case on Andres...

TinCow

02-24-2009, 20:58

I don't see anything but wifom in your case on Andres...

A fair assessment, but I think I see far less WIFOM in mafia than most people. I truly do ascribe to Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is the best. It goes without saying that a write-up at this late a stage in the game would be heavily proof-read by its writer. Thus, the errors must have been inserted intentionally. I do not see that as WIFOM.

Andres

02-24-2009, 21:13

A fair assessment, but I think I see far less WIFOM in mafia than most people. I truly do ascribe to Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is the best. It goes without saying that a write-up at this late a stage in the game would be heavily proof-read by its writer. Thus, the errors must have been inserted intentionally. I do not see that as WIFOM.

The problem with the write-ups is that we don't have to look at the living players alone, but also at the lynched ones. It's perfectly possible that the write-ups are done by a dead mafioso :shrug:

TinCow

02-24-2009, 21:17

The problem with the write-ups is that we don't have to look at the living players alone, but also at the lynched ones. It's perfectly possible that the write-ups are done by a dead mafioso :shrug:

A very good point and one I had not considered. I will think on it.

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 21:17

The problem with the write-ups is that we don't have to look at the living players alone, but also at the lynched ones. It's perfectly possible that the write-ups are done by a dead mafioso :shrug:

Case in point, I gave Seamus Wanax writeups after I died (The Wanax can never die, only the different incarnations of Reenk Roink that are his medium)

Csargo

02-24-2009, 21:20

I think it's RR

Andres

02-24-2009, 21:25

Sasaki Kojiro

02-24-2009, 21:27

I think it's Curio or Reenk.

The one thing in reenk's favor is the lackluster nature of tevash's claim. Of course it's possible that tevash improvised without reenk's help. Well, that's one reason I picked curio over reenk today.

TinCow

02-24-2009, 21:35

Which of the living players is closest to a WoG at the moment and how many more rounds of inactivity will it take before that player will be WoG'ed?

I think the answer is none. Everyone voted in the last lynch round.

Andres

02-24-2009, 21:38

The one thing in reenk's favor is the lackluster nature of tevash's claim. Of course it's possible that tevash improvised without reenk's help. Well, that's one reason I picked curio over reenk today.

Hmmm... That's a good point.

I checked the thread and Reenk posted before and after Tevashzat's 'reveal'. If Reenk would have been mafia, he would have provided his partner with a decent fake role pm.

Unvote : Reenk Roink;
Vote : Gaius Sribonious Curio

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 21:51

Vote : Reenk Roink

Ok, Mister Wanax, you have been asking for my lynching for a couple of rounds now. Please, what is your "case".

Is it better than this "Well, Andres is still alive and he has not been behaving suspicious, so it must be him!"- nonsense?

I'm geared up and ready to rumble (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTKz956YWYE)

:boxing:

Vote: Andres I didn't know voting was open, but muhahaha, I can vote! :2thumbsup:

Eat that all you "Good thing Reenk can't vote guys" :laugh4: ~;p :grin2:

I think you are guilty because intuition tells me.

Also, I get the feeling that Beefy might be Mafia, which scares me and puts me in a tough situation.

Oh, and GH, I will send different writeups if either Beefy or myself are lynched.

Andres

02-24-2009, 21:57

I think you are guilty because intuition tells me.

I can't defend against "intuition".

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 21:58

I can't defend against "intuition".

Then go quietly, there is a good lynch writeup for you. :2thumbsup:

Edit: I know how some of you love cases so I will indulge for a bit.

First, I can't understand the reasoning on why many think Tevash is guilty. Some considerations to take into account:

1) Nothing happened with the kill frequency when Tevash died.
2) Nobody else claimed as detective.
3) Tevash who had defending himself tooth or nail before just gave up afterwards. Sorry, but why wouldn't he try even harder after the pressure was really on him. Many gave the impression that they would remove their votes if Tevash just posted.

None of these cases are solid proof as you know. 1) could happen due to many reasons, such as the Mafia deciding to kill less or it going from 1 grunt and 1 godfather to just the godfather or the twist. 2) could be that the detective was killed early on or still lives now. 3) could be because of something coming up or just trying a new playstyle or just seeing that the end was near and giving up.

That being said, I believe it cuts at the case that Tevash was Mafia. To me it is more likely he was either really the detective or a townie just claiming to be detective to get Atpg killed. :laugh4:

As for me and Tevash working together, what makes you think I would WANT to make an elaborate performance as detective? Because I've done it before? Gee, that get's you far don't it? :rolleyes: I could have easily planned this with Tevash and told him to stop posting if me and him were in cahoots.

Now on Aries, I'm no fan of the song case or write case others have brought up, but I will say that Aries has been acting differently and playing more cautiously. Are these at all reason to vote for somebody? No. Maybe Aries was sick of getting lynched early on, or maybe Aries wanted to play a new style.

In any case, I am happy that Aries and Beefy finally get to make long runs in a Mafia game. People shouldn't be lynched on reputation which has unfortunately happened too often to these gentlemen. :bow:

Andres

02-24-2009, 22:48

Then go quietly, there is a good lynch writeup for you. :2thumbsup:

I won't go down quietly. I'm innocent.

"Intuition", "he has not been under pressure", "he didn't act suspicious", "he's a decent writer" are not good reasons to lynch me. At least put some effort in it.

Edit: I know how some of you love cases so I will indulge for a bit.

First, I can't understand the reasoning on why many think Tevash is guilty. Some considerations to take into account:

1) Nothing happened with the kill frequency when Tevash died.
2) Nobody else claimed as detective.
3) Tevash who had defending himself tooth or nail before just gave up afterwards. Sorry, but why wouldn't he try even harder after the pressure was really on him. Many gave the impression that they would remove their votes if Tevash just posted.

None of these cases are solid proof as you know. 1) could happen due to many reasons, such as the Mafia deciding to kill less or it going from 1 grunt and 1 godfather to just the godfather or the twist. 2) could be that the detective was killed early on or still lives now. 3) could be because of something coming up or just trying a new playstyle or just seeing that the end was near and giving up.

That being said, I believe it cuts at the case that Tevash was Mafia. To me it is more likely he was either really the detective or a townie just claiming to be detective to get Atpg killed. :laugh4:

1) Indeed, nothing happened with the kill frequence. It was already down to one. This could mean that the mafia decided to deceive us (very unlikely to waste kills that early in the game) or that there indeed was already one grunt lynched.

Each Grunt can kill one person per night. This means that when one Grunt is executed the mafia's firepower is essentially chopped in half. As previously stated, the Godfather cannot kill unless he is the only mafioso left, in which case he can kill one person per night.

Lynch Grunt 1 (most likely Lord Winter) : mafia down to one kill
Lynch Grunt 2 (Tevashzat) : mafia still has one kill.

2) Maybe the detective was already dead and couldn't reveal ? Or it was clear that Tevashzat was getting lynched anyway and thus the detective didn't want to expose himself?

3) That's a valid point. Then again, Tevashzat hasn't posted since the 14th of February, when he "revealed" himself, so maybe he just hasn't been online since then. This however, also makes Sasaki's point about you invalid. The point was that you would have written a fake role pm for Tevash. Well maybe you did and Tevash didn't use it because he simply wasn't online.

All in all, Tevashzats' reveal had an awfull smell of scuminess on it. No role pm, no quoted night action reports. There were good reasons to lynch him and there are good reasons to assume he was scum. Your post mortem defense of Tevashzat is not a good one and it doesn't "cut the case" that he was mafia.

As for me and Tevash working together, what makes you think I would WANT to make an elaborate performance as detective? Because I've done it before? Gee, that get's you far don't it? :rolleyes:

Not convincing. There were several possibilities, e.g. give him a fake role pm, have the third mafioso play with it and then be Tevashzat's worst adversary in the thread. Many possibilities. Anyway, I don't see why you are putting so much effort in trying to deny the assumed connection between you and Tevaszhat. You were off the hook and now you bring this up again.

I find that weird.

I could have easily planned this with Tevash and told him to stop posting if me and him were in cahoots.

Tevashzat hasn't posted since the 14th of February. It's more likely that he wasn't online because of RL. That's the most plausable explanation. I don't know what you're trying to prove with all of this though.

Now on Aries, I'm no fan of the song case or write case others have brought up, but I will say that Aries has been acting differently and playing more cautiously. Are these at all reason to vote for somebody? No. Maybe Aries was sick of getting lynched early on, or maybe Aries wanted to play a new style.

In any case, I am happy that Aries and Beefy finally get to make long runs in a Mafia game. People shouldn't be lynched on reputation which has unfortunately happened too often to these gentlemen. :bow:

And why exactly am I being lynched?

A long winded post, where you build up a defense for a lynched player, try hard to prove that there is no connection between you and said lynched player, make seemingly random remarks about Aries and Beefy187 which in itself are seeds of suspicion against those players, planted to grow.

And no decent explanation for your vote on me.

Thermal

02-24-2009, 22:53

In any case, I am happy that Aries and Beefy finally get to make long runs in a Mafia game.

And me! :2thumbsup:

I'm gonna do a small analysis, I've delayed it long enough, bare with me.

Thermal

02-24-2009, 23:23

777Ares777
-------------

Andres
posts: 90

(going on 80 posts a page)

Page 1

Andres nominates himself to be the CoP, a tad suspicious though it was in the context of a joke in appearance

Page 2

Once all hope of being nominated has gone, Andres changes his vote to Shlin28 and follows the crowd

Page 3

Points out ATPG is away in the day and here at night, coinceidentally I was after accused of being here everynight by the same person!
Votes Sasaki with terrible reasoning, Sasaki is thought to be mafia though
Disregards grammar mistakes in kill write ups as clues, this could relate to the game at the moment

Page 4

Says I ignored Sasaki's self preservation vote when I was talking about Sasaki, crossed wires
More suppodely random voting against people that didn't strike him as guilty, Indigo and Seamus, voted for seamus.
Already Andres has voted for 2 mafia suspects and kept the votes held down, looks quite townie like to me

Page 5

Nothing

Page 6

Questions Lord Winter
Votes for Sigurd because he is lurking, good reason IMO

skipped to page 11

Considers suicide through controversial players

page 12

Votes ATPG for nothing more but instinct, says tevash looks innocent

page 13

Questions Tevash, but votes for seamus again
gives me a warning, clearly a grudge against me :clown:

GAH this is going no where, I just don't see Andres as guilty, he won't get my vote for one

How the hell can ATPG stand doing all this boring analyzing?

LittleGrizzly

02-24-2009, 23:26

going on 80 posts a page

Wow... ATPG would be jealous...

Thermal

02-24-2009, 23:28

going on 80 posts a page

Wow... ATPG would be jealous...

How? don't you just change it in your settings? :balloon2:

LittleGrizzly

02-24-2009, 23:30

ohhh....

Reenk Roink

02-24-2009, 23:47

Andres, let's examine your post here for a bit because it's calling for reasons while not doing much in the way of giving what it is calling for:

:stupido:

You say intuition is not a good reason for your lynch. I say otherwise. It all goes on Reenk's reasons for voting list:

1) Undeniable or very strong proof due to the axioms of the game (eg: A detective investigation where the detective is not misled or given faint clues)
2) Intuition
3) Retaliation
4) A "good" case (good being defined as something that appeals to me for example, a detective reveal that only suggests one is Mafia)

If you don't agree with my standards... :shrug: too bad I guess, everyone can vote how they want to...

:stupido:

On your examination of my case for Tevash, you do only two things:

1) make objections that I had already made...
2) go ahead and tow the popular line that he is scum using buzzwords with no meaning like "smells of scumminess"

I am making a revisionist (not really as I never believed Tevash was guilty in the first place) case as to Tevash's position because I feel that the discussion by the more analytical members of our group has stagnated on the same assumptions. Perhaps by removing certain assumptions (which I'm not convinced of by the way) a better analysis can take place leading us to better candidates. It certainly will make the game more fresh and thus more fun (my main goal).

:stupido:

On my refutation of the link between me and Tevash, you basically say it is "unconvincing" but don't really supoort that at all. OK, I don't mind when people just say "not buying it" but you yourself want reasons behind every post and vote so I would guess you should give reasons (unless you want reasons but don't want to give them, which I guess is fine too).

You then make the point that I was "off the hook" and then bring it up again. Of course I did and I did this for two reasons:

1) again it is a prime assumption to challenge to hopefully get the town going in another way
2) after evaluating the situation, I have come to see that not only am I immune to Mafia kills, most of the town is as of this point reluctant to vote for me and so I will take full advantage of my great position to put my ideas in the air and exert my influence

:stupido:

Lastly you come back and again ask for a reason as to why there is a vote for you.

I say the same thing as I did last time: intuition.

I just get the feeling you are guilty, it is a great reason in my epistemic worldview to put on a vote and you are certainly not cleared at all by number 1 on the reason list which would override the intuition.

If you don't think this is a good reason, fine. I don't think anybody throughout this game had a good reason to vote for me, but could I stop them? No (aside from getting them lynched and trying to manipulate the Mafia into killing them for me).

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-25-2009, 01:26

K, you want more analysis, then here it comes.... NB: Info comes from GH's summary thread and my own impressions throughout the game. I've no time to go back and reread the entire thread, so any inaccuracies are my fault and feel free to correct me.

Aries: Aries has avoided the spotlight for much of the game, posting more often than some people (me and Taka in particular) but not up there with ATPG, for example. Elected Shlin, along with most of the town on a fun and carefree day one. Then for most of the early game voted for what I like to call 'big-name' players. Sasaki and Sigurd. Then came a lull period, with a couple of no votes, due to an absence I believe, punctuated with a vote for YLC, with the intention of assisting his suicide. The last couple of rounds he has targeted known lurkers, Taka and Glyphz.

Looking at him suspiciously, most of his votes have been quite shrewd. Most have not been for a top candidate, allowing him to glide by beneath the notice of those targetting bandwagoners. The assistance for YLC's suicide, also while possibly altruistic, could certainly have been an easy way to bundle off a known townie (were he mafia) thus wasting a lynch for the town. It would also be interesting to note, that he has not been in any real danger as far as lynching is concerned. Luck, or skill?

Personally Aries is not one of my main suspects, but certainly, looked at from an angle of complete scepticism, he would seem to be far from cleared.

Andres:Andres has, as a number of people have brought up, ghosted through the game without being pressured much at all. I believe ATPG tried, and possibly Tincow as well, but for the most part he has not been in any real danger.

Along with most people, he elected Shlin day one. From there his next three votes were for fellow 'big-names' Sasaki, Sigurd and Seamus. On two occaisions this put the recipient in some danger of lynching. From there his next three votes were for high-profile players who all ended in being lynched; Sigurd, ATPG (twice), and Tevash. After this came the initial case against Shlin which was dropped in favour of a now consistent crusade against yours truly.

Analysing this pattern with a sceptical mindset, it could be argued that Andres has pursued a good voting strategy for a mafioso of his calibre. Early game he voted for big-name players. This would remove them from voting for him later in the game when they may guess his intentions. In addition their lynching would render them untrustworthy by the town. I believe that it was not his intention to get them lynched, incidently, but it would have been an added bonus while the game was young and he would not be pulled up for it. Moving into the middle game, he switched to high-profile players who mostly ended in being lynched. Each of these had a case against them which convinced a number of players to vote for them anyway, one more into the bargain does not make too much difference. A classic mafia ploy, to lynch men who are already dead. Plus due to his experiance Andres would be able to stand and claim, but its WIFOM, why would I do something so obvious. Moving on, he then was part of the original case against Shlin, which resulted (ultimately) in his downfall, before alighting on me as a suitable candidate. Perhaps he realised that he may have made a error with his earlier behaviour (should anyone deign to notice it) or perhaps he just wanted the spotlight shifted from other high-profile targets. I'm not sure, but all I can say is that I'm innocent, I've provided a rebuttal for him which has been conveniently ignored.

I think Andres is probably the best target for this round and shall vote accordingly.

Curio: Innocent, but I'll provide a quick case-study anyway for conveniences sake.

Elected Count Arach.

Voted:Quintus (joke vote)/no vote, White eyes, Sigurd (Lynched), Quintus/Abstain, Quintus, Reenk Roink, Shlin (Lynched), Taka.

Have been pressured twice, once by ATPG in the early game, and provided a decent rebuttal. Now am being held to dry by Andres, my main suspect, who has conveniently ignored my reply to his accusations.

Once more, I am innocent, and would people who accuse me at least acknowledge my replys.

Quintus:Quintus is another who has not been pressured all game long, despite my attempts mid-game. Elected Shlin early, placed a cordial joke vote on myself. Then things get interesting if looked at with extreme doubt...

Quintus has managed to go throught the entire game without voting for the eventual lynchee. Could he be avoiding the spotlight? My earlier criticism of non-analysis does not hold now, but a, verging on dangerous, over-reliance on ATPG, seems to be evident in this game. As I said earlier, having played with Quintus before I know he is capable of some quite brilliant analysis of his own, and, particularly early on in the game it certainly seemed like he was trying to slip without notice (and succeeded, fair play to you sir :bow:). In particular I would draw attention to the fact that all of his actual votes in the later game (not counting abstains...) have been for someone who was in danger, but failed to be lynched.

I realise that this is a fairly weak case, and personally I don't think he is that much of cause for worry at this stage. Other candidates are much more likely.

Taka:Ladies and gentlemen if you glance to the left you may, or more likely may not, catch a glimpse of the famed Lurkerus Takaris. Abstain and no votes litter his voting pattern and five times out of six when he has voted his choice has been lynched. The only occasion during the game that he has been in danger of being lynched, although the odd person has been voting for him throughout, was the last round where he shamelessly voted for Glyphz, to escape a lynch.

Plenty of questions to answer in my opinion.

Reenk Roink:Reenk Roink has been fairly consistent with his voting, abstaining when he hasn't had a clear suspect, but gunning for any person he feels is a suspect, successfully on three occasions. I don't hold it against him that he wants people who make his life difficult dead, particularly when said opponents have question marks hanging over them. Now CoP, and able to vote. As CoP was bestowed on him he is not exonerated as has been demonstrated before. Certainly has a strongly individual style, which has got him into trouble on a couple of occasions, but I don't think he is guilty at this stage.

Beefy:Beefy's voting pattern is covered with abstains, almost as if he is afraid of commitment. Only when there is a clear case against someone has there been a reaction from him. That said he has certainly contributed to discussion throughout the game, and has had something to say more often than not.

The only thing I find slightly concerning is the clear link to Reenk, as the two have made no secret of their cooperation throut the game. That said I believe Beefy is not guilty.

White Eyes:Another of the Abstain brigade who seem to float through unnoticed. Hasn't done much worthy of attention, but did contribute to the death of Lord Winter and was quick to jump on the 'Kill Seamus' campaign initiated by 'Khann. Targetted Glyphz on Day 8 but inexplicably didn't vote for him yesterday. Using my limited intuition I'm going to say he is an unlikely mafioso.

Finished!!! For reasons given above will Vote: Andres.

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 01:43

I think it's Curio or Reenk.

@ GeneralHankerchief:

Which of the living players is closest to a WoG at the moment and how many more rounds of inactivity will it take before that player will be WoG'ed?

I haven't checked the spreadsheet for specifics. I'll get back to you. Two missed votes starting this phase will result in an auto-WoG, however.

pevergreen

02-25-2009, 01:45

Seamus Fermanagh

02-25-2009, 03:38

Ugh.

Nobody is cleared, eerybody suspect for some reason, and it seems likely that no detective is playing -- if one ever was.

"Hard" Data:

The killings (save for the uni-slaying of Sasaki) decreased from 2 to 1 following the lynching of Lord Winter. If all 3 mafiosi yet survive, there will be two dead following this lynch and the game will have ended. Simple probability suggests, however, that at least one mafioso has died --even if it was NOT Winter as many suspect.

Tevash' reveal. A reveal while under lynch threat is always a bit desperate. His failure to follow up on that reveal has suggested, for most, that his status was emphaticaly NOT that of a detective...at least for the town. While it is possible that Tev was a townie making a desperate play -- it has been done before -- it seems likely that a power-role player died in that lynching.

Sasaki's killing was dramatically different in tone/style from the others and involved one of the recurrent "minor players" introduced into the write-ups by our estimable host. This means that we cannot be certain of Sasaki's role in the game.

The Murderees: Aside from Sasaki, all of those murdered appear to have been offed by the mafia. We can be somewhat confident that none of these others were killed by vigilantes. Therefore, we can cross the departed off the list of suspects -- and we must find 3 from the remaining list.

Remember that, aside from the above, there is no HARD data regarding guilt or innocence. It is important to force participation from ALL players and hope that a slip results.

It cannot be my place to do this. I was lynched and cannot therefore be completely trusted. One of our murder victims, or one of our living, needs to take up the gauntlet and make others talk.

Chaotix

02-25-2009, 05:08

My eyes are burning from the walls of text.

I skimmed over most of it. What I see from the write-up is that the mafia is trying to frame Ares. The many, many grammatical errors, misspellings, run-on sentences, etc, are, without any offense to Ares, completely characteristic of his posting style.

Here is what I can infer from this now:

If Ares was mafia, then it explains why he began copying write-ups during the beginning of the game. Later, however, he would have had to spend a long time on write-ups correcting grammatical mistakes. Now, because it makes it look like a framing, then, he decides to do a write-up typical Ares style.

The alternative is that it really is just a stupid mafia who thinks Ares can be found guilty on the basis of a mafia write-up.

It's all WIFOM anyway, but that's my opinion on it.

Beefy187

02-25-2009, 09:44

In case for those who went to see who is on and saw my name, and preparing a case against as I speak as I'm online even though I said I won't be..

I was actually expecting this game to finish while I was gone, but apparently the force is strong in the God Father

I'm back in my house. My exams over. Now I'll get right back into it.

To be fair, this is not my first time having a long run in mafia. I remember a couple where I was left till final few and led the town into ultimate doom by lynching the wrong man.

My usual style is going by ATPG or other strong analyzer and just go after those with the most solid case as I haven't got the ability to make my case against someone logically, and risking it could get my self lynched.

Losing Teddy Snatcher made me into a complete coward, as I'm now more cautious blindly following the analyzers. Thus why all the abstains.

To respond to Pevers accusation, I think I can call all the survivors my friends, except Andres as his the mod and he haven't got enough time for "deeper" friendship.

Now for the fun part... Accusing peoples..

I have to protest against Andres bandwagon. "His not scummy lynch him!" is just silly. If we keep going for likely innocents and leaving those scummy ones, we'll end up with another Chicago where lurking boudica won.

I will pressure vote taka for now, as his obviously lurking again.. But who ever has the most votes beside Andres will get my vote as I think Andres is almost definitely innocent

Andres

02-25-2009, 10:02

I think I can call all the survivors my friends, except Andres

I stopped reading after that.

:bigcry:

Beefy187

02-25-2009, 10:11

I stopped reading after that.

:bigcry:

Aww you know I was joking right?? ~:grouphug:

EDIT: Sorry, I thought I added you to my friends long ago.. You are now officially my friend:yes:

Ill take that back, everyone who is left is my friends.

Andres

02-25-2009, 10:16

:jumping:

pevergreen

02-25-2009, 12:55

Girly fights aside. Im not saying friends as in friend list I'm saying those that make beefy jokes.

Ares and Shlin are the main two. Its one of the people like that. Your fans seem to come out of small and mini games, which I don't play.

Beefy187

02-25-2009, 13:08

If you say so. I can't say anything about the two you mentioned except Ares scares me a little for none scuminess but his probably innocent. Andres I think is also innocent.

Other then those two I think everyone have a equal chance

Vote: taka

Forgot to vote for him in the last one

Andres

02-25-2009, 13:17

Ok, I'll respond to Curio's rebuttal :bow:

@ Beefy: Apparently my last post was 'scummy'.

Andres: Everything you have said in response to ATPG's questions with regards to your accusations against is true. It was neutral, it was complimentary to others, and I voted when the post itself seemed to come to very little actual conclusion. To these particular points I shall respond.

Neutrality: Since when have I not been neutral. I'm not the sort of person that bandwagons shamelessly, I don't tend to hold grudges, I certainly don't tend to aggressively go after people (except in exceptional circumstances, as discussed below). I prefer to give everything that I am considering at the time a thought or explanation, and if I am undecided then I shall say quite openly, that I'm undecided. I'm also just the sort of obnoxious person that thinks they are always right and doesn't like being contradicted, as such I attempt to think of any major challenges to my thoughts that may arise, and post them too, so noone can go, 'I told you so...'

Being neutral and not taking a stance is often seen as mafia behaviour. Mafia tends to avoid stepping on other players' toes; attacking too hard or aggressive doesn't make you popular, so mafia try to avoid that. They are concerned about how other players feel about them.

Compliments/ Flattery: As my friends say I want to be loved. A major character fault in these sort of games I know. Mafia VIII I went after disco quite hard (I was mafia), and he rebuked me quite harshly. I immediately sent him a PM apologising for my harsh words, but asking for a more concilatory defence (he also posted as such in the thread if I recall correctly). In fact I dislike anybody acting aggressively towards me, as such I tend to be very concilatory, and if I think that somebody deserves congratulations, or a defence then I shall oblige. In fact the only time that I've acted quite aggressively were in Mafia VIII (mafiosi) and the latter stages of Midgard II (where you are quite correct LG I was a god, and part of a townie network that had been infiltrated, I knew this and was trying desperately to find out how everything had collapsed so quickly, leading to me attempting to destroy the network from the inside, it didn't work well....).

Flattery is sometimes a mafia tell. A lot of people will hesitate to vote somebody who just told them they made a great post/did an amazing analysis/are great players.

Voting: Possibly your best point. Yes based on my points and the neutral tone the most likely option would have been an abstain. However at the time, my line of thought was that a vote for someone would be better than no vote. The most persuausive argument that had been made that day was by Tincow against Shlin, and nobody has given any thought to my suspicions of Quintus (ergo to vote for him again would be a wasted vote...).

If you are convinced Quintus is scum and nobody seems to think likewise, then you should go after him and try to convince people to vote Quintus. The fact that you don't even try to get your suspect lynched, can be a mafia tell too. The mafia don't care as much about who gets lynched, as long as it isn't them. You shouldn't just "waste your vote" on your suspect, as a townie you should try to convince others to vote him and explain your reasons why he is a suspect for you. Instead of doing so, you chose to "go with the flow". That's typical mafia behaviour -> Mafia line of thinking = "ok, nobody looks at me, no need to put more effort in my accusation of player X, they follow the lead of player Y who wants to lynch Z, and I'm not even on the suspect list of Y, so it's fine, I'm under the radar, I'll just go with the flow".

The only other thing people seem to hold against me is my lurking. Since lurking is reading and observing whilst saying nothing, I say to you look at the times I've been online, and how often I have spent observing. I've been working almost every day and have sporting commitments, but I haven't not missed a vote and have at least acknowledged my presence when I haven't posted a thought out opinion. I can see where this in itself is an issue, but rest assured that next week when I'm back at uni, and not working so much my activity level will jump. Be back tomorrow...

Lurking is also a sign.

It's not exact science, Curio, but the combination of these factors make you the best candidate for a lynching in my opinion.

You admit that you behave neutral and flatter others. Yes, that can be just you, but it are also signs of mafia behaviour.

Then you admit you didn't bother to try to get Quintus lynched but instead went with the flow. That could be laziness or lack of interest, but it can also be a mafia line of thought ("I'm not under suspicion, they are going to lynch an innocent, ok, I'll stay calm then").

Lurking is not unusual for you, so that alone isn't enough to warrant a vote. But when adding all elements up, you are the best candidate.

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 15:32

My inbox is currently one away from capacity and I don't have time to clear it before I leave for class today. I don't think anybody needs to PM me with anything, but if you do, please wait a couple of hours (if you can). Thanks. :bow:

White_eyes:D

02-25-2009, 16:43

I don't think its Andres:no:.....last time I lynched him in the end game=lurker victory:furious3:......Vote:taka.....because I am getting a feeling he is pulling the strings again...:inquisitive:

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 17:29

Okay, inbox (somewhat) dealt with.

Quintus.JC

02-25-2009, 17:55

Indecisiveness at this stage really can have a detrimental effect, but that's precisely what I'm suffering from right now...

From what I've red I will Vote: Curio, who is only marginally more suspcious than the rest. But you have manipulated me before, and despite your excellent anaylsis, it seems forced and have come at such a late stage of the game.

Reenk is a really tough nut to crack, I can't read him completely. I can never know which side he is on in any of the games...

Tevash looked really scummy - he claimed to be detective and didn't back it up with a PM, and after being lynched he never came back to give town a beating. What that meant was Tevash was certainly no detective, he almost certainly had a role, and that role is not likely to be pro-town.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-25-2009, 18:20

Vote Count:

Andres: 2 (Reenk, Curio)
Curio: 2 (Andres, Quintus)
taka: 2 (beefy, white_eyes)

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 18:31

Oh joy. :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 20:00

Voting closed.

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 20:03

Voting re-opened.

We have a three-way tie between Curio, Andres, and taka. The round will end immediately after the tie is broken, regardless of any unvotes and such.

Andres

02-25-2009, 20:10

Oh joy. :laugh4:

You're evil :mean:

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 20:18

You're evil :mean:

I think the sign of a good game is when the host gets feedback like this. :beam:

White_eyes:D

02-25-2009, 21:38

Unvote:taka Vote:Curio although curio has been around here....I don't think Andres is guilty...:shrug:

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 21:39

Voting closed.

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 21:51

(The following is written mostly by Reenk Roink)

Day 10

Throughout the day, Gaius Scribonius Curio saw that the townies fingered him as the one responsible for the murders. He knew he would have to face terrible judgment of The Wanax, also known as Chief of Police Reenk Roink, at the end of the day.

At first, Curio sobbed incessantly, wishing that shlin28 was still around to give more conventional executions, but his despair soon turned into desperation. Curio hatched a plan to escape the wrath of The Wanax.

You see, quite sometime back, Curio had built a small but fortified underground shelter because he was a man who liked to plan ahead. This shelter was stocked with every household appliance as well as generators to power them, and enough Ramen noodles to last years and years.

Some hours before the voting phase ended, Curio made a dash for his stronghold and barricaded himself in it. The other townies only realized what he was up to much too late, and were unable to stop him. They banged on the sealed doorway but to no avail. Curio laughed at them from inside: "HAHAHA! The Wanax will take his wrath on you now! Such is the price you pay for voting for me!"

The prospect of this terrified the townies, and when the unmistakable call of The Wanax came at execution time, the townies meekly went to the Gameroom square where The Wanax, who had appeared out of nowhere, stood motionless, a barrel of water by his side.

"WHERE IS THE ACCUSED?" The Wanax demanded.

From his shelter, Curio watched closely on monitor number 4 of his surveillance system of the whole town. He chuckled at his own brilliance as he got ready to watch The Wanax take his wrath out on those who voted against him.

At some length the bravest of the townies, Beefy187, spoke up: "Um, well you see Mr. Wanax sir, he... um... he escaped before voting ended when he saw things weren't going well and ran into a impenetrable shelter. We found no way of getting in, but perhaps you could with your awesome powers and mighty phasgana Mr. Wanax sir."

"OK," boomed The Wanax as he remained too calm for the townies comfort. Briefly pulling out and looking at the phasgana, he elected to put it aside and instead went to the barrel of water and began uttering some chants.

The Wanax then gestured for the townies to come gather around the barrel which they did with much hesitancy. When they peered in, they could see Curio inside his shelter.

Curio himself was getting quite worried at the spectacle of the townies peering into the barrel, unscathed by The Wanax, and he had an uncanny feeling of being watched. As he begin to pace around, he heard a soft hum coming from the kitchen nook. Panicked, he went to investigate.

There, Curio saw the oddest and most horrifying sight of his life. The thousands of boxes of Ramen noodles were empty, and they were all stuffed into a small microwave (don't ask how it was done, The Wanax is good).

Curio could see the burgeoning microwave was about to explode any moment. He tried to get out of the house any way possible, but everything was barricaded. The irony dawning on him, Gaius Scribonius Curio elected to commit suicide rather than be scalded to death by Ramen noodles. He ran back to grab a knife, but as soon as he reached the counter...

The townies did not have to look at the pool to witness the spectacular sight of the exploding shelter and a Ramen noodle mushroom cloud on its site...

Andres was seen going up to the edge of the noodle fallout to eat, but not by everybody, as 777Ares777 and taka were too preoccupied with noticing dark clouds that seemed to follow them home.

Day 10 tally:

Gaius Scribonius Curio: 3 (Andres, Quintus.JC, White_eyes:D) :skull:
Andres: 2 (Reenk Roink, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
taka: 1 (Beefy187)

~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (7)
777Ares777
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27
pevergreen

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
glyphz
Gaius Scribonius Curio

TinCow

02-25-2009, 21:55

Unvote:taka Vote:Curio although curio has been around here....I don't think Andres is guilty...:shrug:

I think this was a wise choice. I watched with interest as Andres posted in multiple places on the Org after the sudden death period had expired, including this thread, without changing his own. He kept his vote on despite knowing that he could save himself instantly with a vote change and that by not changing his vote, he could be killed off immediately at the whims of one other player. If he is the Godfather, it would require absolutely immense levels of testicular fortitude to do this. I would have personally switched my own vote even if I was innocent. If there is more than one mafioso alive and Andres is just a grunt, then his bravery is far less worthy of praise, but if that's the case I think the game is pretty much lost anyway.

In any case, I think the above is a major point in Andres' favor.

seireikhaan

02-25-2009, 21:58

Man... I got a bad feeling about this game.

My FoS goes to Reenk.

Thermal

02-25-2009, 22:33

I believe Andres is one of the few townie like character left in my eyes, I have a terrible feeling about beefy :sweatdrop:

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 22:34

I believe Andres is one of the few townie like character left in my eyes, I have a terrible feeling about beefy :sweatdrop:

Just make sure you vote in the next round (if there is one).

Thermal

02-25-2009, 22:36

Just make sure you vote in the next round (if there is one).
I'll pre-vote:beefy
if I don't get on in time, sorry

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 22:38

I can't accept pre-votes, but considering this round went a little over-time I may end the night (and thus the next day) later than usual.

Quintus.JC

02-25-2009, 22:43

I believe Andres is one of the few townie like character left in my eyes, I have a terrible feeling about beefy :sweatdrop:

I don't feel particularly good about White_Eyes, just a feeling. :shrug:

Well, that proves Curio aren't the Godfather then. :sweatdrop:

Whatever side Reenk is on, I have to applaud him for the write-ups, nice. :applause:

Seamus Fermanagh

02-25-2009, 23:25

Well, if we haven't slain any mafiosi, they have won. 7 - 2 = 5 with a 3 mafiosi majority. Only the failure to kill 2 townies would reduce this chance. Mafia success chance is 99.99%.

Presuming at least one Associate has been offed, the Godfather and remaining Associate must both survive one further lynch. 7 - 1m = 6, 6 - 1L = 5, 5 - 1m = 4 with a mafia 2-2 tie for the win. Chance of mafia win = 67%. If the Associate is lynched this chance then increases! 7 - 1m = 6, 6 - 1L* = 5, 5 - 1m = 4, 4 - 1l = 3, 3 - 1m = 2, Godfather wins the 1-1 tie. Chance of mafia win in final round = 75%. Overall mafia chances in this scenario = 62.25%

If both associates are dead, the Godfather must survive 2 lynches, including a 4-persons-left finale. 7 - 1m = 6, 6 - 1L = 5, 5 - 1m = 4, 4 - 1l = 3, 3 - 1m = 2, Godfather wins the 1-1 tie Chance of mafia win = 62.25%.

Seireikhaan, your qualms are well founded.

Suggestion to players:

Have everybody answer this question: "If I were mafia, who would I murder next?"

And/or have them answer: "Was Sasaki a mafioso, and why?"

GET THEM TALKING A LOOK FOR THINGS THAT SEEM "OFF."

Quintus.JC

02-25-2009, 23:33

Suggestion to players:

Have everybody answer this question: "If I were mafia, who would I murder next?"

And/or have them answer: "Was Sasaki a mafioso, and why?"

GET THEM TALKING A LOOK FOR THINGS THAT SEEM "OFF."

No long anaylsis from me, I'll just keep my post short and to the point.

If I were mafia, I'd go for Beefy or White_Eyes next, because everyone else is getting accused and makes better lynch targets.

On the Sasaki issue I am unsure, there's arguments from both sides. Sasaki is keeping his cool and I have little experience interacting with him.

Reenk Roink

02-25-2009, 23:37

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: The writeup's basic premise makes no sense considering how the voting went. :wall: Sorry, I'll try to have one based less on voting patterns next round (was thinking there was going to be a huge landslide against taka when I wrote it).

To our analysts out there, this is how I sent the writeup to GH:

Throughout the day VICTIM saw that the townies fingered him as the one responsible for the murders. He knew he would have to face terrible judgment of The Wanax at the end of the day.

At first, VICTIM sobbed incessantly, wishing that shlin28 was still around to give more conventional executions, but his despair soon turned into desperation. VICTIM hatched a plan to escape the wrath of The Wanax.

Quite sometime back, VICTIM had built a small but fortified underground shelter because he was a man who liked to plan ahead. This shelter was stocked with every household appliance as well as generators to power them, and enough Ramen noodles to last years and years.

Some hours before the voting phase ended, VICTIM made a dash for his stronghold and barricaded himself in it. The other townies only realized what he was up to much too late, and were unable to stop him. They banged on the sealed doorway but to no avail. VICTIM laughed at them from inside: "HAHAHA! The Wanax will take his wrath on you now! Such is the price you pay for voting for me!"

The prospect of this terrified the townies, and when the unmistakable call of The Wanax came at execution time, the townies meekly went to the town square where The Wanax stood motionless, a barrel of water by his side.

"WHERE IS THE ACCUSED?" The Wanax demanded.

From his shelter, VICTIM watched closely on monitor number 4 of his surveillance system of the whole town. He chuckled at his own brilliance as he got ready to watch The Wanax take his wrath out on those who voted against him.

At some length the bravest of the townies, Beefy187, spoke up: "Um, well you see Mr. Wanax sir, he... um... he escaped before voting ended when he saw things weren't going well and ran into a impenetrable shelter. We found no way of getting in, but perhaps you could with your awesome powers and mighty phasgana Mr. Wanax sir."

"OK," boomed The Wanax as he remained too calm for the townies comfort. Briefly pulling out and looking at the phasgana, he elected to put it aside and instead went to the barrel of water and began uttering some chants.

The Wanax then gestured for the townies to come gather around the barrel which they did with much hesitancy. When they peered in, they could see VICTIM inside his shelter.

VICTIM himself was getting quite worried at the spectacle of the townies peering in to barrel, unscathed by The Wanax, and he had an uncanny feeling of being watched.

As he begin to pace around, he heard a soft hum coming from the kitchen nook. Panicked, he went to investigate.

There VICTIM saw the oddest and most horrifying sight of his life. The thousands of boxes of Ramen noodles were empty, and they were all stuffed into a small microwave (don't ask how it was done, The Wanax is good).

VICTIM could see the burgeoning microwave was about to explode any moment. He tried to get out of the house any way possible, but everything was barricaded. The irony dawning on him, VICTIM elected to commit suicide rather than be scalded to death by Ramen noodles. He ran back to grab a knife, but as soon as he reached the counter...

The townies did not have to look at the pool to witness the spectacular sight of the exploding shelter and a Ramen noodle mushroom cloud on its site...

Andres was seen going up to the edge of the noodle fallout to eat...

When things looked good (i.e: Andres was looking like he would be lynched) I sent GH a PM saying to change the mention of Andres at the end to Beefy.

And I am very disappointed with you White eyes, to be honest. Not only did you not kill Andres, you killed the only other guy voting for him... :wall:

I hope Andres gets you next.. :rtwno:

GeneralHankerchief

02-25-2009, 23:40

To be fair, the writeup was partially my fault; I had laundry due out of the drier right around the time when voting closed.

Andres

02-25-2009, 23:44

Why does this night take so long? I want to know if this ends or not and I want to know it now!

Reenk Roink

02-25-2009, 23:56

Why does this night take so long? I want to know if this ends or not and I want to know it now!

Sorry, my writeups take a bit longer than your instructions to kill. :laugh4: :beam:

Actually, I have a feeling I may be close to getting lynched now :wall: so I'm sending in an alternative writeup should I die. :laugh4:

Thermal

02-26-2009, 00:06

Why does this night take so long? I want to know if this ends or not and I want to know it now!

So do I :baby: and if it doesnt then I want a daytime extention so I have time to vote!

:nospam: <<<<Wha!? where did that blasphemy come from!?

White_eyes:D

02-26-2009, 00:12

Have everybody answer this question: "If I were mafia, who would I murder next?"

And/or have them answer: "Was Sasaki a mafioso, and why?"
Seamus your the only guy I can say with all my suspicions intact....that you were a "confirmed scum" because of this.....
The next town over, in his office, Vincenzo stood up with a start as a charred figure crashed through his window. Recognizing the body as Seamus's, he raised one eyebrow.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

02-26-2009, 00:13

Andres; thank you for answering my rebuttal. Now I can see where you are coming from I can understand why you would vote for me. Now if I'd have known that before I could have responded to that... :inquisitive:

:laugh4:

Reenk: that was possibly the funniest death scene I have witnessed. I am honoured to have been executed in such a memorable fashion. :bow:

Personally I think the town is drifting further up the creek without a paddle... I'd definitely take a closer look at Taka, and possibly Aries. Andres I'm less suspicious of now, as it is true that he could have saved himself at any time after the round end by changing his vote (and consequently reprieving me...).

Beefy187

02-26-2009, 00:43

Least it wasn't Andres who was lynched.

If I am mafia, I would go for QJC. I think he'll be a hard player to turn into a lynch.
Andres would be a fine choice along as he always puts up a good fight when his about to get lynched.

Others shouldn't be too hard..

Seamus Fermanagh

02-26-2009, 04:04

Seamus your the only guy I can say with all my suspicions intact....that you were a "confirmed scum" because of this.....

I think you are underestimating our host's sense of playfulness. Believe as you will, but the truth shall show you that I was not a mafioso....this time.

However, even if you presume I am mafia in this game, it does not change the mathematics of the situation nor does it invalidate what I have been calling for.

TinCow

02-26-2009, 17:31

-edit- This game is now my most popular ever, post-wise. I wonder if we'll beat Midgard. :juggle2:

With the post I am making right now, it does. This game now has the third most replies in the Gameroom, behind Capo I and II. :2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief

02-26-2009, 18:59

Well, that saves me the embarassment of having to make the announcement myself. :laugh4:

Seamus Fermanagh

02-26-2009, 19:36

Well, that saves me the embarassment of having to make the announcement myself. :laugh4:

No, please go ahead and brag anyway. As the founder, you've earned that right!

GeneralHankerchief

02-26-2009, 19:38

Let's compromise: I reserve the right to brag to my heart's desire at the end of the game, doubly so if we hit 2,000. :beam:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 19:45

Let's compromise: I reserve the right to brag to my heart's desire at the end of the game, doubly so if we hit 2,000. :beam:

A bit of wishful thinking GH, I doubt the town will spend 400 posts congratulating themselves on finally lynching the godfather, Sr. Curio. Unless...unless... ~:eek:

:wall::laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

02-26-2009, 20:10

Night 10

There were no kills today. The Godfather was dead, the Gameroom saved. There was much rejoicing all throughout the night.

Just kidding.

777Ares777 was scared out of his mind. The Wanax and the Mafia running around didn't make him feel any better and he could feel the gameroom being ripped apart by the two. He ran to his cabin, up in the Gameroom mountains. He hoped that he could escape from at least one day of craziness, under the new Chief of police and his Wanax. He didn't see that he was being followed by a man in a blue car.

The man in the business suit, quietly whistled to himself as he got out of his blue car and opened a briefcase with parts to a sniper rifle in it. He started assembling it until the last piece "clicked" into place. Then he moved into position and toke aim.

Meanwhile, back in the cabin 777Ares777 was unpacking his things, including, oddly, one juggle ball, as he planned to stay there for a few days. He only saw the man for a split-second but realized that he was aiming at him, from about 500 yards away with a sniper rifle. Very quickly, he jump to the floor and tried to figure out how he could get out of this mess.

The man in the business suit showed no surprise at this, in fact he was planning on it. He carefully switched his aimed for the cabins gas tank, that he placed inside a few hours earlier and pulled the trigger.

777Ares777 only heard a sound like gas leaking from his stove before a large explosion, instantly incinerated him. When the police arrived all they found was, yet another DVD, this one entitled "I had a good song but this will due". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP6XU_d1boE)

With so much death present in the village, there was nary a sound to be heard. The man with the boombox's tunes, today's being "Tonight, Tonight" by the Smashing Pumpkins, echoed unnaturally throughout the town. In addition, Chief of Police Reenk Roink had no problem summoning everyone to the town square to vote once again.

The mood over the remaining villagers was pretty sober. The aura of death hovered around everybody.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (6)
Andres
Quintus.JC
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27
pevergreen
777Ares777

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
glyphz
Gaius Scribonius Curio

Reenk Roink

02-26-2009, 20:12

Vote: Andres

I have determined that QJC is probably the Godfather by the way, just seems wrong not to kill Andres after all my campaigning.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 20:18

Song would indicate that there's two mafia left.

Got a theory, working on it.

GeneralHankerchief

02-26-2009, 20:19

Because they didn't vote in the last round, taka and 777Ares777 are up for Wrath of God if they don't vote this time. Considering Ares is dead, this only applies to taka.

Andres

02-26-2009, 20:29

TinCow

02-26-2009, 20:35

Vote: Andres

I have determined that QJC is probably the Godfather by the way, just seems wrong not to kill Andres after all my campaigning.

Let me get this straight. You believe you know who the Godfather is, but you'd prefer to vote for someone else and lose the game?

TinCow

02-26-2009, 20:41

I still think Reenk would be a good lynch, but lets keep all options open.

Vote : White_Eyes:D

Talk :whip:

Ok, this, combined with RR's post, is absurd. You both toss some scum on each other, but do it in a way that makes it seem unpalatable to the townies. Reenk votes for you, but says he doesn't think you're the Godfather. This is an easy way to keep the town disorganized down to the wire. You then toss some scum on Reenk, but vote for someone else. This just makes you look antagonistic to him, without achieving anything.

This looks to me like Reenk Roink and Andres are working together. I agree with Sasaki that the Tonight, Tonight song indicates the game will end tonight. That means 2 mafioso left alive. Based on Andres' near suicidal behavior last round, I would peg Reenk Roink as the Godfather, and Andres as a grunt. Thus, lynch Reenk Roink.

Andres

02-26-2009, 20:46

Ok, this, combined with RR's post, is absurd. You both toss some scum on each other, but do it in a way that makes it seem unpalatable to the townies. Reenk votes for you, but says he doesn't think you're the Godfather. This is an easy way to keep the town disorganized down to the wire. You then toss some scum on Reenk, but vote for someone else. This just makes you look antagonistic to him, without achieving anything.

This looks to me like Reenk Roink and Andres are working together. I agree with Sasaki that the Tonight, Tonight song indicates the game will end tonight. That means 2 mafioso left alive. Based on Andres' near suicidal behavior last round, I would peg Reenk Roink as the Godfather, and Andres as a grunt. Thus, lynch Reenk Roink.

I've been wrong in the past and lost games because I was too stubborn to change my mind over a particular player.

In Chicago Soirée I vigorously tried to get taka lynched because I was sure he was mafia, and he turned out to be innocent.

Yes, Reenks erratic behaviour and nonsensic voting make him look very scummy, but he usually ends up lynched because of it. It's not what you would expect from a crucial role like the Godfather.

Like I said, I still consider Reenk as a suspect, but for now, I'd like to keep all options open. Besides, votes are easily switched. The day just started. I have 24 hours to unvote and vote Reenk. But first, I want to hear more from White_Eyes:D.

Reenk Roink

02-26-2009, 20:48

Let me get this straight. You believe you know who the Godfather is, but you'd prefer to vote for someone else and lose the game?

We have two lynches left.

Also, winning is fun, but this is more fun. :laugh4: :2thumbsup: :yes:

Edit: obviously I still believe Andres is probably a Godfather too if QJC is not, and I believe his not voting for me is to set up a scapegoat. I honestly don't see what's so hard about this.

TinCow

02-26-2009, 20:51

We have two lynches left.

Prove it.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 20:51

I still think Reenk would be a good lynch, but lets keep all options open.

Vote : White_Eyes:D

Talk :whip:

EDIT : Hmmm, I've gone over your last 10 to 15 or so posts. Most of them are short, with lots of smileys and nothing really substantial. Is this your usual behaviour?

EDIT 2 : You sounded more serious in Chicago Soirée, putting more effort in finding a suspect.

:inquisitive:

Don't have much time right now. Can someone check Beefy187 ?

I'm thinking Quintus.JC is innocent. taka doesn't strike me as guilty either.

If I had to pick I'd say Beefy and White_eyes as the mafia pair. Lots of interesting connections there. Going over it now.

Quintus.JC

02-26-2009, 21:00

Vote: Beefy

For unexplained reasons I'm inclined to see the triple team of Reenk, Beefy and Tevash cruising through the game... Yes I am going for Beefy.

Reenk Roink

02-26-2009, 21:01

Prove it.

6 left.

1 lynch now so 5 left.

1 kill if the said lynched isn't the Godfather so 4 left.

Now unless you actually believe there are two Mafia left (I cannot believe this revision of theories based on songs by the way), having 4 left guarantees another lynch.

As khaan would say: "It's MATH!" :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :beam:

Seamus Fermanagh

02-26-2009, 21:01

We have two lynches left.

Also, winning is fun, but this is more fun. :laugh4: :2thumbsup: :yes:

Edit: obviously I still believe Andres is probably a Godfather too if QJC is not, and I believe his not voting for me is to set up a scapegoat. I honestly don't see what's so hard about this.

Only with a solo godfather: 6 - 1L#1 = 5, 5- 1m = 4, 4 - 1L#2 = 3, 3 - 1m = 2, Godfather wins.

With an associate: 6 - 1L#1 = 5, 5 - 1m = 4, but with 2 mafiosi that's a mafia win right there.

So Reenk, do you always play endgames by not reading other's posts? I had already discussed this in detail before the night write up. Since I am certain you are not stupid, and though I know your STYLE to be cavalier your play is anything BUT....

Vote: Reenk Roink

....alas, I cannot do it. The Reenkster decided I was evil on a hunch and got me lynched. I do admire your play sir, yes indeedly-doodly I do.

Reenk Roink

02-26-2009, 21:08

Only with a solo godfather: 6 - 1L#1 = 5, 5- 1m = 4, 4 - 1L#2 = 3, 3 - 1m = 2, Godfather wins.

With an associate: 6 - 1L#1 = 5, 5 - 1m = 4, but with 2 mafiosi that's a mafia win right there.

So Reenk, do you always play endgames by not reading other's posts? I had already discussed this in detail before the night write up. Since I am certain you are not stupid, and though I know your STYLE to be cavalier your play is anything BUT....

Vote: Reenk Roink

....alas, I cannot do it. The Reenkster decided I was evil on a hunch and got me lynched. I do admire your play sir, yes indeedly-doodly I do.

I did glance at your post (and see mine above). I don't agree at all that there are two Mafia left.

Even if we grant there are two Mafia remaining now, if the town just listens to me and knocks of Andres, and then listens to me again and knocks off the other guy I pick, and both of these guys happen to be Mafia, we win! :2thumbsup:

I honestly can't think of a better plan. :laugh4: ~;p :beam: :smash:

TinCow

02-26-2009, 21:16

I honestly can't think of a better plan. :laugh4: ~;p :beam: :smash:

How about playing it safe by assuming this is the last lynch phase the town will get, and thus it had better be right? You may say you don't care about winning, but I'm sure most of the other players do.

Reenk Roink

02-26-2009, 21:19

How about playing it safe by assuming this is the last lynch phase the town will get, and thus it had better be right? You may say you don't care about winning, but I'm sure most of the other players do.

First I never said I didn't care about winning... :inquisitive:

Ok sure, if you really want to, then lynch me as you seem to think I am the best choice for your victory. I will help you achieve what you think will lead to your victory (I have a good writeup for my lynch already done, and I don't have to bother with the generic writeup then :2thumbsup:).

Unvote: Andres
Vote: Reenk Roink

TinCow

02-26-2009, 21:29

First I never said I didn't care about winning... :inquisitive:

Not in those exact words, but you did pretty clearly state that you would enjoy lynching someone you didn't think was the Godfather more than you would enjoy winning the game:

Also, winning is fun, but this is more fun. :laugh4: :2thumbsup: :yes:

Your schizophrenic play style is entertaining, but as noted by Seamus, you're a smart guy. I simply don't believe you'd intentionally avoid doing whatever you thought would win you the game at this late a phase. You're playing to win just like everyone else, which give dubious authenticity to your statements about doing the opposite.

White_eyes:D

02-26-2009, 21:30

I still think Reenk would be a good lynch, but lets keep all options open.

Vote : White_Eyes:D

Talk :whip:

EDIT : Hmmm, I've gone over your last 10 to 15 or so posts. Most of them are short, with lots of smileys and nothing really substantial. Is this your usual behaviour?

EDIT 2 : You sounded more serious in Chicago Soirée, putting more effort in finding a suspect.

:inquisitive:

Don't have much time right now. Can someone check Beefy187 ?

I'm thinking Quintus.JC is innocent. taka doesn't strike me as guilty either.

I thought you were innocent......and that you were right about Curio which was why I broke the tie....was I wrong?.....BAH!.....another "Chicago Soiree for me:shame:" Vote:taka....he is gonna show up.....just watch.....:thumbsdown:

Quintus.JC

02-26-2009, 21:38

Reenk nevered looked like the godfather to me, he could be a grunt, but not the GF.

Sasaki's theory about Beefy or White_Eyes could still be developed though.

Thermal

02-26-2009, 22:04

Taka is absent from all games, i doubt he is the godfather or a grunt, keep the pressure on beefy, I mean whats wrong with RR and andres? :grin2:

Love to see ATPG get his whole analysis theory of me being mafia now :laugh4:

Seriously QJC, beefy and white eyes are the dangerous zones BIG time

Also hasn't anyone kinda guessed my role yet? :laugh4:

Reenk Roink

02-26-2009, 22:06

Not in those exact words, but you did pretty clearly state that you would enjoy lynching someone you didn't think was the Godfather more than you would enjoy winning the game:

Never have I said that Andres was not the Godfather. I thought I made it clear before that just that QJC surpasses him in my suspicions to be the Godfather. So no, I believe you have thoroughly misunderstood the meaning of my "winning is fun but this is more fun" phrase.

It was first a subtle response to your assertion that I don't think Andres is Godfather anymore, perhaps I should have put "winning" in quotes.

Recall I added this to my post:

obviously I still believe Andres is probably a Godfather too if QJC is not, and I believe his not voting for me is to set up a scapegoat. I honestly don't see what's so hard about this.

There are other reasons I was voting for Andres over QJC which I have not yet divulged. For one, the fact that Andres will certainly have a better shot of being lynched than QJC who many think is clean.

Your schizophrenic play style is entertaining, but as noted by Seamus, you're a smart guy. I simply don't believe you'd intentionally avoid doing whatever you thought would win you the game at this late a phase. You're playing to win just like everyone else, which give dubious authenticity to your statements about doing the opposite.

Well, I thank you and Seamus for the compliments, but I fail to see how being smart excludes me in anyway from my playing style. I mean, I would say that everyone here is smart. Every single person I've worked with closely in Mafia gives a lot of thought into the game, makes strategies, and comes up with plans. And I am quite sure that winning is not as important to me as some may ascribe to me.

I am playing to win, to a degree, but I am also enjoying the absolute uncertainty at this stage. It should be a great finish. :2thumbsup: :yes:

TinCow

02-26-2009, 22:17

Recall I added this to my post:

I have seen mafioso edit their posts when they realize they have made themselves vulerable with a gaffe or some other slip-up. For this reason, I think it is wise to read the post as originally written, and then consider the edit as a separate post, taking into account the time it was done to see it in its proper context.

It should be a great finish. :2thumbsup: :yes:

Without a doubt. GH actually got me with his 'game over' line in the last write-up, before I read the "Just kidding" bit. I've definitely enjoyed this game more than any of the others that I've been a townie in. :2thumbsup:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 22:18

I do believe the song choice indicates that tonight the game will be over if we lynch a townie--therefore there are two mafia alive. In any case there is no harm in assuming that as long as it makes sense. I decided to reread the thread taking a look at tevash--beefy--white_eyes as the three mafia.

**********

1) Write ups

Beefy came under early pressure from tincow and then some others based on the write ups. In the next couple rounds the write ups were stolen from past games. This was not payed much attention at that time because it seemed like an obvious frame. It's worthwhile noting that white_eyes had considered (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127566&postcount=248) the possibility of stealing a write up from a past game:

BTW, not saying there not good so far....but anyone can just take or study old kill write-ups and come up with good idea's....and even make there sentence strucue

Following the first copied write up noticed by curio, they (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130474&postcount=371) all (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130499&postcount=372) three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2130554&postcount=375) spend some time talking about the write ups and wifom and such.

Skipping past the lord winter lynch which I'll get back to, here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2133746&postcount=603) is an interesting post from white_eyes where he expresses some outrage that a particular writeup was used.

Tincow was killed by the mafia.

Why this looks scummy to me: It has all the markings of one of those mafia freak outs over something the town barely notices. They send in their kill and all of a sudden they are getting voted by people saying it looks like it was written by them. White eyes had earlier considered stealing a past kill, they decide to do it but are worried about people saying they did it to protect beefy. The comment on how wifom it is. They off tincow as he was the one who started it. White_eyes acts upset about a writeup being used. Now, was this all just a frame attempt by the mafia on beefy? It wasn't a big enough thing in the thread and frames are rarely successful.

2) Lord winter lynch

Beefy and Sasaki were tied with two votes each. Reenk votes sasaki to save beefy and sasaki votes beefy to save himself. Tevash comes on and votes sasaki saving beefy. A mark against beefy considering that we can accused tevash was mafia. I unvote beefy to vote lord winter and beefy makes this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2131312#post2131312) post:

In that case, I got more then enough time to defend my self don't I? (I am in Japan now. So Im GST +9 or something)

Vote:Beefy

I don't think Sasaki is guilty either so just to save him.

I am more then willing to defend my self. But I don't know where to start. Could you give me couple of questions I can answer?

Votes for himself but is making sure there is enough time left. After his vote the count would still be 4 for sasaki and 3 for beefy. He later unvotes himself and white_eyes votes for lord winter.

After the lord winter lynch there was only one kill. This was either accidental (mafia missed kill) or purposeful. Remember, there were only a couple nights where the mafia chose to make just one kill. Tevash was lynched not long after. YLC looked like he was going to be lynched soon based in part on the lord winter is mafia theory, and I was attacking atpg based on it. I stated earlier that LW had not posted in the thread until I said that that fact was proof of his guilt but that wasn't true, he had posted once or twice. The indication that are two mafia alive says to me that LW was innocent. White_eyes came off well having put the second vote on LW.

Other notes from the Sigurd-lynch round:

Beefy is suspicious of YLC for self voting despite self voting earlier:

I second Sasakis comment.

YLC you played enough game to know that lynching is valuable and are the only way to get rid of the mafia. If you are innocent you wouldn't dare get your self lynched would you?

And rather defensive:

I have to put my vote on Beefy. The way he jumped to attack YLC seemed very agressive.

Vote: Beefy
Attacked? Attacked how? I didn't even vote for him!

I only suggested to suicide or get replaced rather then wasting a lynch for him!

3) Tevash vs ATPG

Big showdown.

Beefy starts by questioning ylc and fos'ing tevash:

FoS: Tevash

For now. I want to hear response from ATPG before lynching Tevash.

He is also suspicious that ignoramus is still alive:

I find the fact that Ignomorus still lives on highly suspicious. Will he be WoGged soon GH?

This is later echoed by white_eyes here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2136826&postcount=819), and this round is followed by the death of ignoramus. It looks to me like they thought ignoramus had a role.

Vote: Tevash

I think theres enough reasons to get Tevash lynched. While his not acting suspicious, I think he still falls in the category of lurking.

Beefy does vote for tevash which is perhaps the biggest mark in his favor. However, I remember thinking that atpg was lynched for sure at that point, and the vote count was 5-2 when beefy voted for tevash. Considering that beefy rode the fence on tevash for the next two rounds this doesn't work as much in his favor as it first appears.

In the runoff:

White eyes appears torn between the two:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2136759&postcount=808

and votes for pizza in response to ares voting for tevash:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2136797&postcount=815

Beefy is hesitant as well:

To be honest, I don't think either of you are acting any different to what you usually play like.

ATPG : Lots of talking

Tevash: Not so much

Give me a few minutes to decide my vote please

and ends up voting pizza because:

Vote: ATPG

I want to let ATPG and Tevash fight it out first. We don't need to rush this lynch

Next round:

Seeing as Tevash revealed, doesn't matter how scummy it is. He might be a detective and I think thats enough reason to keep him alive for now unless someone ales claims detective.

Fact that no one counter claimed it shows that either the real detective is already dead or Tevash is for real.

Since there is no one counter claiming, only option we got is give Tevash a day or two before he gets up on the chopping board again.

I am going to Vote:Seamus...clearly it had something to do with someone upset with Sasaki and how he was manipulating town.....Seamus fits that description....and on Tevash....we should let him swim for now......I think he will be WOGG'ed or lynched in the future, because he has just come on for five minutes to view the index thread and then gone.......

In summary: The both appear to want tevash to live, but didn't want to appear as if they did. The other people attacking pizzaguy and defending tevash were much more outspoken. This is a solid link.

Other bits and pieces:

White_eyes doesn't like khaan claiming to know someone is mafia, it's possible he is worried:

I am lost.....so what?....the detective(Khaan) was evil? anyway....I feel like Khaan is just screwing with us.....or is a scumbag trying to throw us off....(he is too good at his job

...

DON'T LISTEN TO KHAAN.......he is always Anti-town....even when he is town....
I never would trust him.....on "family guy mafia" his mind games alone helped Mafia win.....he even got an award for it....

He's also defensive:

I was the MAJOR reason why there was a lurker victory in "Chicago Soiree" the only reason why I voted now, was because Khaan and his cryptic defense of ATPG....I have seen it before.... never listen to Khaan....ATPG did and over-analyzed until my name came up twice in a previous game......and we lost because of it...he trusted Khaan and figured he gave up his scum-buddy.....I repeatedly told him....NEVER over-analyze and SkyNet 2.0 is the King of all over-analysises...and I voted Lord Winter at the time because I thought "maybe there both innocent..." If I recall Sasaki was the first one to change his vote....and I was the second or third too.....I well not let another "Chicago Soiree" victory happen....and I sure as hell won't be the guy who helps that happen, so if you expect me to vote like crazy....then you are in for some disappointment..

And beefy is keeping a very close eye on the vote count:

Rechecked. Ares abstained so heres the latest tally

(including YLCs vote)

Tevash: 6 (Quintus, Ignoramus, Taka, Psychonaut, ATPG, YLC)
ATPG: 5 (Sasak Kojiro, TevashSzat, White_eyes, Reenk Roink, Beefy

That's what I have up to page 36. Will read the rest and make an assessment of it.

Summary:

Beefy was accused based on the writeup. The writeup was later copied from a previous game, which all three suspects made sure of discussing in the thread. The main accuser (TinCow) was later killed.

Tevash voted to save beefy, beefy voted himself while making sure he wasn't in danger, Lord Winter was possible framed after white_eyes helped lynch him. Beefy votes for tevash when it looks like he isn't going to be lynched, switches to atpg in the runoff, says we shouldn't lynch tevash the next day and ends up voting him once he is well ahead and clearly going to be lynched.

Both beefy and white_eyes wanted to save tevash without being to outspoken about it.

Ignoramus was killed after both beefy and white_eyes had been suspicious that he was still alive (and therefore possible had a role). This fits a pattern. Tincow was killed despite often being a suspect. Ignoramus was killed despite being a suspect. White_eyes was concerned with khaan's claims about how he knew someone was mafia because he wasn't usually killed.

Also consider the lackluster nature of tevash's claim and the lack of role pm fakery. Andres and reenk are both capable of that. The tally from day 5:

Askthepizzaguy: 5 (TevashSzat, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres, Reenk Roink, Seamus Fermanagh)
TevashSzat: 5 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Beefy187, Askthepizzaguy, Psychonaut)

Looks very good for quintus despite the fact that he acts really suspicious at least to me. Taka missed this vote.

Askthepizzaguy: 8 (Sasaki Kojiro, Reenk Roink, White_eyes:D, TevashSzat, Beefy187, Seamus Fermanagh, Andres, Askthepizzaguy)
TevashSzat: 6 (Ignoramus, taka, Psychonaut, YLC, Chaotix27, glyphz)

Now all three suspects are voting atpg. Taka is now voting tevash. Taka has also continued lurking despite the number of lurkers who have been lynched this game.

The process of elimination works well for the case on beefy/whiteyes.

******

I apologize for the poor formatting. I don't have the energy to go through and fix it up right now. Will get to the last 20 pages presently.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 22:25

Back so soon, I am.

Its Beefy or someone thats good friends with him. Ares etc

Its definately someone who enjoys going on about beefy stuff. I don't think the write ups are done by Beefy, I know his writing style and how flawed it is (it is his second language so)

I really would have to say Ares. Or maybe Reenk, just for the hell of it.

Could you expand further on this?

Also hasn't anyone kinda guessed my role yet?

Your kill mentions a juggle ball which is an obvious reference but I thought the mafia were writing it, so...

TinCow

02-26-2009, 22:25

That's a very decent case, Sasaki. However, if Tevash was mafia, then you were not killed by the mafia. How do you explain your own death, and why do you think it occurred?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 22:28

That's a very decent case, Sasaki. However, if Tevash was mafia, then you were not killed by the mafia. How do you explain your own death, and why do you think it occurred?

Well ares is implying he could tell us more, but the nude unicyclist was always written in by GH and the mafia couldn't have made GH quit including him in the writeup. So it's clear I wasn't killed by the mafia.

TinCow

02-26-2009, 22:34

Well ares is implying he could tell us more, but the nude unicyclist was always written in by GH and the mafia couldn't have made GH quit including him in the writeup. So it's clear I wasn't killed by the mafia.

Right, but why? It really doesn't seem to me like a serial killer would wait that many turns before making a kill. If it was Ares, he also didn't kill anyone after you for a long time. This doesn't fit the MO for a serial killer at all. So, it seems like it must have been a targeted kill. You were probably killed off for a specific reason by someone who was not mafia. While there are other possibilities within the broad limits allowed by the amorphous 'twist', it's hard to shake the notion that this was a vigilante who somehow (investigation?) discovered that you were mafia.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 22:42

Right, but why? It really doesn't seem to me like a serial killer would wait that many turns before making a kill. If it was Ares, he also didn't kill anyone after you for a long time. This doesn't fit the MO for a serial killer at all. So, it seems like it must have been a targeted kill. You were probably killed off for a specific reason by someone who was not mafia. While there are other possibilities within the broad limits allowed by the amorphous 'twist', it's hard to shake the notion that this was a vigilante who somehow (investigation?) discovered that you were mafia.

The implication in the writeup isn't that I'm mafia:

He wasn’t worried about dying, either. Sasaki, see, had everything planned out. He was a high-profile figure in every day’s voting, making sure never to look *too* noble while crusading loudly. No, Sasaki would always have that air of shiftiness about him, ensuring that both he would never die at night while at the same never looking too shifty to be lynched in any of the voting phases. Yes, Sasaki was sitting pretty, confident in both his day and night positions.

This would prove to be a fatal assumption.

I don't know what triggered the attack on me, it seems to be a one shot vigilante of sorts. If they wrote it and not GH they seem to think I'm a townie who was leading the town to the grave. A nude, juggling, unicyclist doesn't seem like an ordinary sort of "investigate and then kill mafia" role.

Thermal

02-26-2009, 22:49

I was more or less being broad when i said has anyone guess my role yet, i never actually expected some kind of analysis over it :laugh4:

taka

02-26-2009, 23:02

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 23:13

Do you mind posting your correspondence with beefy from early in the game?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-26-2009, 23:35

After the unicycle kill:

White_eyes suspects seamus of being the killer and goes after him:

I am going to Vote:Seamus...clearly it had something to do with someone upset with Sasaki and how he was manipulating town.....Seamus fits that description....

...

ok....I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.....but give me some evidence that you wouldn't do a write-up that long and action-packed.... but I have a feeling you would do a write-up like that Seamus....

...

Seamus is likely Pro-town.....but killing Sasaki makes me nervous...
I don't trust vigilantes.... and it could just be a ploy by the Mafia...

Looks like he views the new killer as a threat and wants to eliminate him.

White_eyes on tevash after Seamus points out that WE's said he would vote for tevash but hasn't:

Come on....his lynch was going to happen no matter what.....do I need to beat his dead some more? I mean the guy won;t even defend himself....or even log on.....what do you expect....??

Perhaps annoyed that tevash hasn't showed up to defend himself.

Both seem somewhat obsessed with taka:

I cannot and will not vote for taka just yet as a part of our mutual trust treaty. Him being a lurker is soo suspecious but I have taka guilt sensor and when he is guilty I should notice it..

Taka will be my vote, but he will not get my vote until we are down to 10.

I am more worried about the lurkers......where are you guys anyway...?? I admit this looks ugly....but at least have the stones to show up and help discussion.....Vote:Random lurker glyphz

FoS: Taka

We really need to keep a eye on him too.. He is frankly too good at dodging the radar.

and so on.

During these rounds they mostly kept a low profile. Mostly ignored the cases on shlin and ares. White said he was sure that shlin was innocent after he had already been lynched.

Summary: Not much happened with these two during the last twenty pages, that's why I put it in a spoiler. Some suspicious stuff where white_eyes seemed to suspect Seamus of being the vigilante and trying to lynch him. Then they kept a low profile and didn't comment much.

Having made this case, I must say I am not capable of analyzing the other players with an unbiased eye. Someone else will have to do that. Will require a reread of the game most likely.

What I will try and do is make an alternate theory, one where Lord Winter was guilty and tevash was actually the detective who merely became to annoyed at the game and all the people bandwaggoning on a case he thought was poor and decided to quit. I may come up with something interesting, or I may be too blinded.

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 00:20

u know, im actually very confused, because i've been bad and havent been following this thread. sorry -_-

for me, all i feel is that i dont think beefy as scummy. we had early contact in the game and we both had a mutual trust thing, and he has kept to it. in the early stages he contacted me and was eager to team up again to search out the mafia and shared information with me about other players (like who he was in contact with etc). he gave me the same vibes as in chicago when we tried to partner up to find mafia

as its nearing the end, i feel that i should pay more attention so i will read up on the last few pages to see what i think

and since theres no abstains

vote: taka as i dont want to accuse anyone yet

i will change my vote once i feel i dont like someone :P
I told you he would show.......:whip:

It's worthwhile noting that white_eyes had considered the possibility of stealing a write up from a past game: so just because I said something obvious....I am clearly scum??:thumbsdown:(I thought I commented on something TinCow said....)

I am lost.....so what?....the detective(Khaan) was evil? anyway....I feel like Khaan is just screwing with us.....or is a scumbag trying to throw us off....(he is too good at his job

...

DON'T LISTEN TO KHAAN.......he is always Anti-town....even when he is town....
I never would trust him.....on "family guy mafia" his mind games alone helped Mafia win.....he even got an award for it.... I said that because its so true....you don't agree??:eyebrows: or you would know if you played with Khaan as mafia....he really loves to screw with you....:wall:

taka

02-27-2009, 00:23

I told you he would show.......:whip:

well if i dont show up, i'll get wog'd, which will do the town no good mathematically

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 00:25

Do you mind posting your correspondence with beefy from early in the game?

I had a mutual trust alliance with taka. Which is something I do with taka almost every single large games. We try a couple stunts to catch the mafia but it never goes too well :laugh4:
In this game, we had it until we were down to last 10. Unfortunately, we both survived.

Before I go into explaining. Mathematics shows that we lynched at least one mafia. But if we have two left we are gone which I'm sure some of you already explained

I guess I owe a explanation? I'll start answering Sasakis

1. Write ups

I can't defend my self here. No matter what I say, I could say the truth that I didn't write any of it. But don't think anyone is going to believe it now.

2. Lord Winter lynch

Like I said, Sasaki voted for Lord Winter, who was at that stage not that suspected. Me and Sasaki was the big gun. Sasaki voting for other instead of voting for me, meant he was willing to sacrifice his life. I voted my self as I didn't think Sasaki was guilty, and so we get more time to discuss other then two of us, who looks scummy.

Then on came YLC voting for him self. I did it too, but while mine was to give town more time, and for a fair run for Sasaki, YLC was willing to kill him self for no reason.

I wasn't angry but I was slightly annoyed at YLCs reasoning. Thats why I came out more aggressive then I thought to Rythmic. And I immediately realized that but I didn't want to edit my post if possible as that looks scummy.

3. Tevash vs ATPG

To be honest, I didn't want to lynch either of them. If I had other choice then I would've voted for other fellows. I was a big ATPG supporter. But Tevash revealed as a detective. I know that no matter how scummy it looks, if Tevash has even small possibility of being the detective, I have to save him instead of ATPG who is at most just a plain old townie.

So I started as a ATPG supporter, leaned towards Tevash, then ended up going for ATPG as Tevash revealed.

4. Ignomorus

Not a fan of lurkers. Never was and never will be. Especially if Igno lives with few posts and shows up just to make a vote with few reasonings, just as if his avoiding the WoG its silly not to think that his guilty. Mafia killed him, so I realize I was wrong about Igno. But I had suspicions.

I know I haven't been perfect player. I got lots of things wrong. But I gave the most attention to this game. I've tried hard. And its going to sting if we end up losing. Lynching me will be the wrong choice.

I'll be around if anyone has more questions. Ill try my best to defend my self

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 00:25

well if i dont show up, i'll get wog'd, which will do the town no good mathematically

Yes but you show up now......just like you did in "Who threw the B'rubber?":inquisitive:

taka

02-27-2009, 00:28

and for sasaki, here's our contact details:

Strange... For some reason, you never smell like mafia. :sweatdrop:

What say we work together again and this time we might get it lucky?

coz im not mafia :laugh4:

whats your proposal?

I don't think you are. Its a gamble though

Proposal is, we can try another couple of stunts and we'll trust each other until we are left in... say.. final 10?

Am I the first to contact you?

i think we can go on the beefy-taka allegiance again since for some reason, i do feel more connected to you than to other players.

you are indeed the first to contact me and since ive been pretty busy in RL, ive not had much chance to come and analyze like usual and now theres just too much info to analyze lol, hence not much attention from most people and no contact.

however i think at this stage and a game this size, pulling stunts can seriously attract negative attention, unless you've got some mastermind plan in mind?

You are right about stunts. Perhaps we can do some in late game, to narrow down some suspects.

For now I think we'll have a mutual trust relationship, saving each other when we are about to get lynched.

Right now, only player I can trust is you, Gaius (who I got contact with) and those who were killed. If we can come up with a detailed analysis of each players, that will help the town heaps

i would say that stunts later in game would seem to be the better way to narrow down our suspects, just like we did in chicago (apart from andres back stabbing me...) as we pretty much got the remaining people in that one

and yes i think the trust thing is a good to go :yes:

i have ATPG's prototype skynet thing of his (mafia detection) and its pretty darn neat, although atm it has failed a few times :sweatdrop: im sure it can be of use somehow.

how's Gaius' situation? he's trustworthy?

Last time he did that to me, he back stabbed me at the end :sweatdrop:

But we havnt got to the stage of mutual trust relationship, but he did have a few good points about who he think is guilty.

I can send you his pm and my reply if you like

so that's pretty much my reason i believe in beefy, i'll be gutted if he was indeed mafia

taka

02-27-2009, 00:30

Yes but you show up now......just like you did in "Who threw the B'rubber?":inquisitive:

but i already mentioned in a previous post (100's of posts ago) that i would participate more if i get to the remaining few :sweatdrop:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-27-2009, 00:32

I can't defend my self here.

Yeah, people will make up their own minds. I say you were deliberately on the fence you say you were legitimately on the fence. I say tomato you say tomato.

But they say the best defense is a good offense. Do you think tevash was mafia? Do you think we have one or two mafiosos left? Who would you pick and why?

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 00:37

but i already mentioned in a previous post (100's of posts ago) that i would participate more if i get to the remaining few :sweatdrop:

fine......hopefully I won't get stabbed in the back for this......Unvote:taka
I find it weird how all of sudden Sasaki finds me scummy....how you even looked into Reenk, Andres or even Quintus.JCs patterns yet?:inquisitive:

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 00:45

I think Tevash was a mafia. He didn't provide his detective role pm. He never posted since his lynch even though he was online. Clearly scummy

We either have God Father left, in which case we have two nights, or a Grunt and God Father in that case tonights is the night of the knights.... Like someone ales said, its better to assume that tonights the last.

I think I gave my choice of grunts if I'm the God Father which was Ichigo and Sasaki to win, ATPG and Reenk for lols iirc.

Out of those who are left, taka will be my grunt one. God Father is unlikely to pick someone who is likely to get attention. Taka won Brubber and he is not likely to be chosen two games in a row. Needless to say, taka has that strange "Hey look I'm innocent" aura.

Andres is still around is he not? He will be my grunt two. I would appreciate one mafia vet in the crew.

White_eyes would be a good choice too. For some reason he doesn't seem to get lynched early unless he is suicidal like in Never Winters.

Those will be my choice.

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 01:24

Final show down.

Vote: QJC

Three way tie isn't it?

taka

02-27-2009, 01:26

i believe the tally is:

WE 1 (Andres)
Beefy 1 (Quintus)
Reenk 1 (Reenk)
Taka 1 (Taka)
Quintus: (Beefy)

just WE to vote

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 01:29

Woot we have a 5 way tie.

I dare WE to vote Andres and the circle will be complete :laugh4:

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 01:33

Woot we have a 5 way tie.

I dare WE to vote Andres and the circle will be complete :laugh4:

....no I am going to sleep....have fun getting killed by the Mafia.....:furious3:
I may vote tomorrow.....but don't count on it.....only way to make sure Godfather and any of his grunts don't get though is to have a five way tie.....:clown:

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 01:37

....no I am going to sleep....have fun getting killed by the Mafia.....:furious3:
I may vote tomorrow.....but don't count on it.....only way to make sure Godfather and any of his grunts don't get though is to have a five way tie.....:clown:

Suit your self :no:

Sweet dreams White_eyes and anyone who's living in America or Europe. I'll see you guys in few hours

Sasaki Kojiro

02-27-2009, 01:58

fine......hopefully I won't get stabbed in the back for this......Unvote:taka
I find it weird how all of sudden Sasaki finds me scummy....how you even looked into Reenk, Andres or even Quintus.JCs patterns yet?:inquisitive:

I've found quintus and reenk scummy at times and defended andres in the past. Don't think I'm the person to do a full scale investigation. We need more from the living.

I think Tevash was a mafia. He didn't provide his detective role pm. He never posted since his lynch even though he was online. Clearly scummy

We either have God Father left, in which case we have two nights, or a Grunt and God Father in that case tonights is the night of the knights.... Like someone ales said, its better to assume that tonights the last.

I think I gave my choice of grunts if I'm the God Father which was Ichigo and Sasaki to win, ATPG and Reenk for lols iirc.

Out of those who are left, taka will be my grunt one. God Father is unlikely to pick someone who is likely to get attention. Taka won Brubber and he is not likely to be chosen two games in a row. Needless to say, taka has that strange "Hey look I'm innocent" aura.

Andres is still around is he not? He will be my grunt two. I would appreciate one mafia vet in the crew.

White_eyes would be a good choice too. For some reason he doesn't seem to get lynched early unless he is suicidal like in Never Winters.

Those will be my choice.

Sorry, didn't mean "who would you pick as grunts". I meant who do you think is mafia.

Final show down.

Vote: QJC

Three way tie isn't it?

What reasoning for this vote? Did you think it was a three way tie because the only other votes you remembered were the votes on you and white_eyes?

edit:

i believe the tally is:

WE 1 (Andres)
Beefy 1 (Quintus)
Reenk 1 (Reenk)
Taka 1 (Taka)
Quintus: (Beefy)

just WE to vote

Remember, there are probably two mafia left. We're probably going to need three votes on one of them to lynch. For example, as it stands now white_eyes and beefy could switch to taka or reenk right before the deadline and win, unless one of them had three votes on him.

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 02:27

I know I'm innocent. And soon as couple peoples started accusing me, QJC reacted immediately. Thus why he got my vote and why I think he is mafia.

I now am certain that Andres and Reenk is not mafia and they will not get my vote no matter who votes what unless there is a solid evidence against those two. The rest shares almost equal amount of scumness.

I didn't count self votes as they were "I'll vote for my self while I see more from others" and they are likely to join the bandwagon if it happens.

EDIT: Because I don't have to study for exams anymore, and my cousin managed to get into one of the hardest Uni in Japan, I'm off to my cousins again to celebrate and eat some Yakiniku (Japanese BBQ) in about 5 hours. Sorry for my ever lasting failure. I'll do my best by staying active until then...

EDIT 2: Canceled. Its snowing (For the first time in my place!). And I can't be bothered to go out just to get a cold..

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 04:14

Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Quintus.JC

I'll get you the writeup GH.

taka

02-27-2009, 04:22

I know I'm innocent. And soon as couple peoples started accusing me, QJC reacted immediately. Thus why he got my vote and why I think he is mafia.

I now am certain that Andres and Reenk is not mafia and they will not get my vote no matter who votes what unless there is a solid evidence against those two. The rest shares almost equal amount of scumness.

I didn't count self votes as they were "I'll vote for my self while I see more from others" and they are likely to join the bandwagon if it happens.

EDIT: Because I don't have to study for exams anymore, and my cousin managed to get into one of the hardest Uni in Japan, I'm off to my cousins again to celebrate and eat some Yakiniku (Japanese BEEFYQ) in about 5 hours. Sorry for my ever lasting failure. I'll do my best by staying active until then...

EDIT 2: Canceled. Its snowing (For the first time in my place!). And I can't be bothered to go out just to get a cold..

:wink:

glyphz

02-27-2009, 06:01

If Quintus is the GF:
Other than him, the rest of the remaining survivors were/are random vote magnets in other recent games (or lurkers/scant posters).
Surrounded himself w/ such, he looks the least suspicious. All he needs to do throw mud against the others and votes will come.
Unfortunately, that leaves him as the only 'pure-looking' player left, and he stands out because of it. The longer he survives/mafia seem to avoid him over 'vote magnets,' or potential ones, the more suspicious he looks.[/QUOTE]
~:handball:
If Quintus is townie:
Town rids of (who, I think of as) their last 'clean' player.
The last rounds will be some sort of a, um... 'I'm less scum-looking than you are...' mud-slinging..... FESTIVAL!':stupido2:

Could be very entertaining.
A potential win-win situation :thumbsup:
:thinking2:Lurker's thoughts (potential :spammer:)

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 10:52

:wall:

I won't bother, as I've been wrong about who the Godfather is all this time.

Good game. I still contend that you can logically figure out who it is based on how the remaining people have reacted to the way the game has progressed. Just chuck out SkyNet's false leads, and you still have a lot of tension, votes, and behavior to analyze.

Interesting unvote we had three posts back.

*shhhhhh.... be quiet pizzaguy....

EDIT: DANGIT! I cannot.... I just can't! I can't help myself I must SPEAK!!!

Who votes for themselves at this stage of the game? That might allow the mafioso to jump on the bandwagon real quick and get in another disastrous lynch! Townies should know better!
It's the perfect "see I'm not scared of dying" desperate mafioso tactic. Plus his unusual defensiveness all game.

I am living in my own personal Hades.... he triggered my scumdar all game and now he pulls this??? I am going totally unhinged here... I'm absolutely insane. Someone help me... I need medication or something.
And Taka isn't mafia, because he's been lynchbait all game!!!

:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

After this game, if I am wrong yet again, you will need to keep me in a permanent straitjacket, I swear.

I'm going home now, to bang my head against the wall.

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 12:27

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 12:56

Very well then, Beefy. I've driven myself mad trying to solve this one, and I confess, I'm stumped. I surrender. You're a good friend, Beefy, and if you're the Godfather... enjoy this one, and if you're town... I trust your judgment more than mine at this point.

Here's a straitjacket... I want you to put it on me, and duct tape my mouth shut, and give me a proper burial. Just give me some headphones and a cd player, and allow me to listen to Metallica's "Sanitarium" over and over and over again while I attempt to find inner peace...

Yes... yes... a dirt nap will do me good. Soft, soft soil makes the bad people go away.

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

Now lock me up in my casket and allow me to slowly go insane... I beat my skull against the lid, and soon the delightful rest will come.

Well played... once again... I cannot stress this enough... I've been thoroughly bested.

Have fun reading my musical apology (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2153054&postcount=84), based on Confessions, Part Three by Weird Al.

Beefy187

02-27-2009, 13:28

ATPG dont bash up your self. I never told you to shut up and I never will :laugh4:

While its towns judgment to trust you or not, I'm sure everyone appreciates your input.. Or anyones input.

I must take my leave for now. And I won't be back until tomorrow.

Good luck and may the best one win

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 13:35

No, no... it was delightfully liberating.

Took myself wayyy too seriously this game. I figure if I can't find the Godfather, I can at least be the honorary jester, as Sasaki suggested. I'm just a silly fool... don't pay too much heed to me.

:jester:

GeneralHankerchief

02-27-2009, 15:49

Current tally:

Quintus: 2 (Beefy, Reenk)
taka: 1 (taka)
Beefy: 1 (Quintus)
White_eyes: 1 (Andres)

A few hours left.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 16:04

TinCow

02-27-2009, 16:08

A shame that Quintus isn't here to unvote Beefy. Town or mafia, surely he'd want to at this point. It's interesting that 'godfather' Quintus' mafia buddies aren't here protesting one bit.

Honestly, while I suspect Andres and Reenk more than anyone else, I can't say with a straight face that anyone is an actively bad choice for a lynch at this point in the game. For this reason the mafia, whoever they are, have done a great job and should be proud of themselves. Bravo, sirs, bravo. :2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief

02-27-2009, 16:15

Agreed, lasting 11 rounds in any game is no small feat. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 16:42

So I'd have to speculate that since Reenkster is the one doing the evil deed, he must be the Godfather or Andres' henchman.

Quintus doesn't seem Godfather-y to me, as stated before. I would think he'd be here to make sure he survived the game, or at least have his dead mafia buddies arguing about how scummy Beefy suddenly is or something. Anyone but Reenk.

Let's see... Taka votes for himself, leaves it there, disappears... definitley the Godfather. :laugh2:
Plus all that lurking and threats to destroy the lurkers.

White_Eyes played a good game, but he hasn't voted anyone yet, and Andres is voting for him. Why do I get the feeling he's not the Godfather?

And Beefy... well... it's always the person you least suspect! You earned it beefy.

___________

Heck, Reenk earned it too... I'm almost inclined to shhhh and watch town die. And Andres was here, leaving the fate of the town to a sudden scummy vote change by Reenk Roink, so I am pretty darn sure Andres is guilty of something, and given Reenk's vote change... Andres may be the Godfather over Reenk, and that's why Reenk can do the bold move here, and why Andres survived all these rounds acting like such an innocent townie, but Andres seems reluctant to make the final move.

So, given that I don't believe for a minute that anyone besides Reenk or Andres is the Godfather, and given Reenk's holy cow defenses of himself all game... I'd suggest that he's the henchman and Andres completely kicked my butt as the Godfather, and well played sir.

Final answer. For 20 million rupee. No takebacksies. :medievalcheers:

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 17:17

Unvote: QJC
Vote: White eyes

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 17:19

His arguments seem a lot more... concise than mine. Is it just me? :laugh2:

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 17:22

His arguments seem a lot more... concise than mine. Is it just me? :laugh2:

Everyone's arguments seem a lot more concise than yours. :laugh4: Besides at this stage, there is no need, you have made your mind up 5 times now. So have a lot of the dead. However, that is why you lot are dead with no voice, and I am alive with a vote. :bow:

Atpg, this is one of the benefits of eliminating people who will vote for you earlier on, your vote is the one that matters. :wink:

Now then, I must finish this writeup...

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 17:24

:laugh4:

Well played, sir. It's a darn shame the other townies aren't online to watch their spectacular demise, or perhaps, prevent it.

Seamus Fermanagh

02-27-2009, 17:43

Status report on town (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gxp_4DlfDc).

taka

02-27-2009, 17:51

Reenk, im very curious as to why you keep changing your votes?

Thermal

02-27-2009, 17:58

His arguments seem a lot more... concise than mine. :laugh2:

Well said :wink:

Quintus.JC

02-27-2009, 18:05

....no I am going to sleep....have fun getting killed by the Mafia.....:furious3:
I may vote tomorrow.....but don't count on it.....only way to make sure Godfather and any of his grunts don't get though is to have a five way tie.....:clown:

Why are you trying to delay your vote at this critical stage? :inquisitive:

Maybe you'll vote just in the last minute in an attempt to sway the tally in your favour, that is suspicious behaviour WE.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:06

You people who can vote and stuff; uhh what are they called: Alive

In my opinion (if you can't tell) Reenk is just being a distraction, and this writeup will be your last. However, after so many misses this game (probable hits on mafia, but not Godfather) I cannot ask you to just risk your votes on my opinion.

I seriously doubt it's QJC or WhiteEyes, given the total lack of support from anyone besides me. And Reenk is making himself a target, methinks. Godfather is the only target that matters... take aim... don't miss. Who do you think it is?

Quintus.JC

02-27-2009, 18:07

I seriously doubt it's QJC or WhiteEyes, given the total lack of support from anyone besides me. And Reenk is making himself a target, methinks. Godfather is the only target that matters... take aim... don't miss. Who do you think it is?

We need a target...

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 18:10

Reenk, im very curious as to why you keep changing your votes?

Because I woke up and my gut said White eyes.

Andres had made himself unassailable (this is why I wanted him dead a LONG time ago). QJC is still on my radar but I want to take my chances on White eyes because he is more unpredictable than QJC, and wait for the next kill to see who it is.

Oc course, there is always the chance that Beefy or you are guilty, but it seems unlikely to me, and alas, how can I as the defender of Beefy go against him.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:12

I cannot ask you to risk the game on my ever so erroneous opinion.

I suggest Reenk wants to die this round. Self-vote, constantly shifting votes without reason.
Conclusions:

1. Gamble... he's the Godfather but he's making himself appear suicidal and shifty so you'll assume he's the henchman
2. Distraction... he's the henchman, and he's protecting the Godfather.
3. Innocent, and I am a dumb.... something that starts with A for Askthepizzaguy.

That doesn't solve much, does it?

However.

Andres was here earlier. He left a vote on White_Eyes and walked away. He saw it wasn't going to cause a lynch, and any case on white_eyes is objectively pretty weak at this point. He's very cool, and I wouldn't put it past him, but dang... he's turned up townie on everything I've looked at.

It's NOT Taka.

It's probably not you, QJC... though you're playing me like a fiddle if you are, and if so, well done and enjoy your victory. I like that kind of spirit.

And Beefy? You pick.

Lynch Beefy as we always do.... or bring justice to Andres or Reenk. Given Andres' lack of "townie will" to make the risky decision at the end, I suggest he's hiding his guilt and his fear of death.

Me picks teh Andres. But YOU PICK the lynch.

I don't want to be responsible for epic failure.

Also look at how Reenk says Andres is "unassailable" yet doesn't vote him on this crucial vote with active townies here to convince.

taka

02-27-2009, 18:22

i agree with some of ATPG's reasoning, its also pretty weak just to say that u woke up and a gut feeling ¬_¬

i was thinking whether reenk was shifting his votes around to make himself shady and protect the god father. and his reasoning just made me think even more that he's scummy. if you wanted andres dead a long time ago, why not vote for him?

unvote: taka
Vote: Andres

i suggest that we make it a tie with andres and WE

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 18:24

Unvote: White eyes
Vote: Andres

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:24

I will feel absolutely terrible about this if I am wrong, guys.

Make sure the reasoning I am using holds up to scrutiny, and Reenk, for gods sake man if you're innocent give a proper defense.

*looks at QJC*

It's up to you, dude. Reenk wanted to destroy you, then changed his vote. Is it Andres or Roink?

*just saw Reenk's vote. I think we let him vote for Andres and see what happens.

taka

02-27-2009, 18:26

i am soo tempted to vote reenk just for his constant vote changing without reasoning.....

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:28

I think that's the point, Taka.

Look, if Reenk is the Godfather, with such a brilliant gamble, let him have it!

It's Andres he's protecting... I think... even with a vote for him, he's trying to get you to vote for HIMSELF!

We do have an hour or so. Let's make sure the Godfather dies this round.

taka

02-27-2009, 18:30

assuming there was 2 scums and we get one this round, we get another lynching round right?

and yes pizza, im resisting temptation lol

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 18:31

I am only going to be on for about.......half an hour.....there doing internet maintenance at my house (I am at my sisters):furious3::furious3: but if anyone has any reasons why I should vote for this last round......tell me now.....I won't be here to see what happens....:no:

Quintus.JC

02-27-2009, 18:32

Reenk wanted to destroy you, then changed his vote. Is it Andres or Roink?

am soo tempted to vote reenk just for his constant vote changing without reasoning.....

Same here, but that would be pretty pointless now that Reenk has no heat on him, and that would only cause Andres to be lynched for sure.

Reenk is getting so much attention, if he's the GF then I salute him. But he looks more like a grunt/townie than the GF.

i suggest that we make it a tie with andres and WE

:bow:

Unvote: Beefy
Vote: White Eyes

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:39

A tie, for the purpose of trying for a double lynch?

Given the choice between 100% being lynched and 50%, I believe even the Godfather would willingly and unflinchingly accept the flip of the coin. I doubt GH will allow the double lynch.

However, perhaps the tie itself could prolong the round, and narrow it down to Andres and another person. You're sure White_Eyes looks scummy? He just showed up... let me look at him.

taka

02-27-2009, 18:39

the more i think about it, i feel that both reenk and andres are probably scum (assuming we have 2 mafias) i think we should get rid of andres first, and then if he isnt the GF, i suggest Reenk afterwards.

only point i dont understand about reenk is, Andres wasnt in the firing line in this round (ie no votes on him), so why is he being the way he is?

assuming that beefy is innocent, and quintus doesn't feel scummy to me neither. i think the other half (andres, reenk, WE) are definately more suspicious, but WE maybe less.

taka

02-27-2009, 18:40

i dont think we get double lynch, its just extended time really

edit
and im unsure about WE... i just wanted the extended time

i feel like im starting to contradict and confuse myself lol

GeneralHankerchief

02-27-2009, 18:40

In the event of a tie, I haven't decided what to do yet. However, I definitely know that there won't be a double lynch.

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 18:42

Unvote: Andres
Vote: White eyes

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:43

:sweatdrop: at least the final lynching will be decided by townies, rather than opportunistic possible mafia! :laugh2:

I appreciate the fact that we're at least thinking about all the suspects, and we are ready to lynch the guy, if we could just deduce who he is. I don't have a vote, and rightly so. It's YOUR game, brothers... you choose.

If we can even nail the henchman this round, and if the Godfather couldn't recruit as I think he could have, we could nail him next round.

As such, I believe Reenk should be the backup lynch, not WhiteEyes. But I am not defending him... just pointing out that Reenk is objectively acting scummier and not explaining himself to us.

Who are our two picks? Most likely Godfather, Most likely Henchman?

They should be the tie, if there is a tie. And I don't think with both mafia being able to vote, we should let it BE a tie. They can save him!

Quintus.JC

02-27-2009, 18:43

taka

02-27-2009, 18:44

WE, if you're on, i suggest you vote andres, reenk is deffinately being awkard

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:45

That settles it. Reenk is not a townie, folks. Otherwise he would add to the discussion and justify his votes.

Or if he is a townie, he's got a lot of explaining to do.

He just UNVOTED ANDRES after claiming he's unassailable. For pete's sake, his vote and accusation on Andres was a bluff all along.

taka

02-27-2009, 18:45

@Taka, ATPG

If you think Reenk is guilty then I’m willing to vote for him, but I’m not jeopardizing Andres since I think he is innocent.

What ever you lot say I simply cannot see Reenk as the GF, but certainly a grunt.

exactly what we're saying, i think reenk is grunt trying to save the GF (andres)

and his vote off andres just then make me feel that its even more true

As such, I believe Reenk should be the backup lynch, not WhiteEyes.

my intentions are the same

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 18:46

Unvote: Andres
Vote: White eyes

Last straw Reenk....:brood:....Vote:Reenk your constant vote changing....has made me vote...I can't help but feel your just pissed at me because I won't vote for Andres.....:juggle2:

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:48

If Reenk Roink is mafia, he is either a VERY ballsy Godfather, or an obvious henchman.
Andres looks very much like a Godfather, not a townie or henchman.

Do you want to nail the guy who is likely one kind of scum or the other, or the one who seems to ME to be the likely Godfather?

White Eyes, Taka, and QJC are the only living townies who seem to be adding positively to the discussion. Reenk seems like a desperate mafioso covering up something.

Do you kill the henchman this round, or take a shot at the Godfather?

Your choice, but I pick Andres.

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 18:49

:laugh4:

I hope it's painfully clear that the theory of there being two Mafia is not a good one now, and if there are two, the tandem is among QJC, WE, and taka.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:51

Csargo

02-27-2009, 18:52

This is hilarious. Go Reenk Go!!!

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 18:55

I do give Reenk full marks on entertainment value, sportsmanship, and excellent villainy.

He's certainly doing his best to confuse us. But that points to scum, not town, at least in MY book.

:bow: A worthy adversary, to say the least.

LittleGrizzly

02-27-2009, 18:58

Reenk by your constant vote changing you make it difficult to see who is working together and who is not...

You complain about Andres for days whilst appearing unhelpful and then when you finally get a chance to lynch him you change your mind...

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 18:58

I don't trust anything you say, Reenk. You had multiple chances to act like a proper townie.

Unless you can give an EXCEPTIONAL reason why we should trust you, I put a huge amount of doubt on your credibility.

And why should I fit myself into a flawed mode of behavior used by a system that has been debunked many times throughout this game?

Does it matter that you trust me? You're dead and your influence on the remaining living players is minimal.

Atpg, I urge you to take your own words about your "flawed" and "incorrect" opinions and let the living discuss. Because as much as you say it's our choice, you seem to want to insert yourself in the game. This is fine, but it also contradicts many previous statements of yours.

This is hilarious. Go Reenk Go!!!

:laugh4:

This is for you Ichigo! :bow:

:2thumbsup::2thumbsup::2thumbsup: :balloon::balloon3::balloon2: :smash:

taka

02-27-2009, 18:59

Quintus, i heed you to unvote WE and vote either reenk or andres

that would at the very least give us time for an extension

White_eyes:D

02-27-2009, 18:59

Reenk has confused the hell outta me.....:dizzy2:.......if he is Godfather this has been the most ballsy he has EVER played......anyways.....I gotta go.......good luck town....(you well need it....:no:)

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 19:01

You complain about Andres for days whilst appearing unhelpful and then when you finally get a chance to lynch him you change your mind...

Hello LittleGrizzly :bow:

I wanted to lynch Andres badly, but as soon as I voted for him, the other townies wanted to make it a tie. :rolleyes4:

And this is somehow my fault? :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:02

Is it time to pull out Occam's Razor?

If the Godfather cannot recruit, we can nail him next round, if it's not Reenk.

But that's a huge gamble... and to me, the twist of the game has never been fully explained. I suspect recruitment, and it's always better to nail the Godfather, isn't it?

If QJC and White Eyes want Reenk to be lynched for being poor-townie/obvious-mafia, why not? It's not my call. Roll the dice however which way you like.

:shrug:

And Reenk, QJC and the others did ask me for my opinion. I know I've failed them a half dozen times this game, but I dishonour them by laying down on the job and giving up.

I don't give up! I go away when town wants me to go away! I think it's clear you're no townie, I am just asking them to decide whether or not they risk the game on you being the Godfather, or someone else you're protecting...

Reenk, if you truly cared for the town, you wouldn't have voted yourself and half a dozen others without reason in the final round to confuse us.

Seamus Fermanagh

02-27-2009, 19:03

White Eyes = GF
Reenk = remaining mafioso

But that's only a hunch......

Andres

02-27-2009, 19:04

Compare White_Eyes:D posts with his behaviour in Chicago Soirée, where he was town. It's a completely different White_Eyes:D than here.

Reenk's behaviour is just too dangerous for a Godfather. Yes, you can cry WIFOM as much as you want, but a) I don't believe in WIFOM ; b) Reenk is great at confusing everybody, I hosted Ephesus, where he acted confusing to mislead the bad guys. I think he never managed to get rid of the Loki role he once got in Midgard ~;p.

Yes, Reenk Roink's behaviour would justify a lynch, but not now, in the end game. I've he were truly the Godfather, he would have lurked this round out. The more I think about it, the more I think he's not the Godfather nor a grunt.

Quintus.JC is not a suspect in my book and as for taka, I once insisted on his lynching because of his lurking and mafia like posting style and he was innocent so in this game, he gets the benefit of the doubt.

That leaves Beefy187 and White_Eyes:D. The latter just seems more suspicous to me than the former and I'll stick to my vote.

And to all you who think I'm scum, in round 1 Sasaki threatened to switch his vote to me which would have gotten me lynched right HERE (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127818&postcount=259). As you can see (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2127820&postcount=260) I didn't move. In the previous round, I could have easily avoided the lynch and I decided again not to move (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2151214&postcount=1589).

Would I risk a lynch in round 1, even as a grunt? Cry WIFOM as much as you want, but I'm not thát much of a gambler.

taka

02-27-2009, 19:07

i need to go for a nap, as i got a long night ahead of me later on

My vote on andres stays, and as a summary of what i think:

assuming we have 2 scums:
Reenk is the grunt
Andres is the God father

if just the one,
the its gotta be reenk

statistically, lynching andres would be a better choice, and if we get to the next round, reenk is deffinately the lynch target

i hope town would heed my advice. reenk is deffinately very tempting, but andres is deffinately the better choice to make

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 19:08

White eyes should and will be lynched this round. :rtwno:

And I truly hope then when this game is ended, behavioral analysis will be severely weakened because too many times I have seen people fall into the rut of predetermined hunches where then every action is construed as scummy.

Does anyone here seriously think that let's say Andres or I could have acted differently the last couple of rounds and not gotten the same conclusions hurled at us?

Andres

02-27-2009, 19:08

Please taka, read my post before you leave. It's not me nor Reenk.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:08

If we seem to be agreeing, even Andres seems to be agreeing, that Reenk is not acting like any townie, can I just ask...

what do we lose from lynching him this round, then? What if I am wrong about Andres? What if Andres is wrong about White Eyes?

Could we be happy with an almost certain mafioso dead?

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 19:11

Andres

02-27-2009, 19:12

We should assume a worst case scenario, i.e. two mafiosi still alive.

We have to take into account the very likely possibility that both Reenk and me were kept alive because people get nervous if we survive for too long and lynch us "to be sure".

Think objective, disregard reputation and look at Reenks behaviour and mine. It wouldn't make sense if one of us were the Godfather.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:15

I think that both Andres and Reenk Roink's behavior now is motivated by fear, whereas, under pressure, White_Eyes, Quintus, and Taka had no advocates, and looked as though they were ready to die.

Everything that Andres and Reenk are saying, is precisely what I'd expect them to say as mafia. But they would have made a better case all game for who the Godfather was, if they were innocent. To me, their play all game suggests that they don't care who it is... which tells me they know who it is.

But that's what I see. What do you guys see?

taka

02-27-2009, 19:20

the first post u linked

u was in a 4 way tie.... 1/4 chance of being lynched, which is pretty low i think since at the time there were more lynch worthy players

and the 2nd/3rd link... i too would play it careful if i was GF with grunts, no need to draw suspicion, and as i said it was a 4 way tie, not like, a 2 way

im confused, yes, but personally i feel reenk is 99% one of the scums, and andres too...... i feel is fairly highish chance

and both you and reenk seem to be defending each other now

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:21

Turns out it doesn't matter.

Beefy isn't here. Quintus.JC is offline. White_Eyes isn't here. Only Taka is here, and the votes aren't going any way besides White_eyes.

As such, there is little point in this continuing. We've lost.

And yes, Andres and Reenk are defending each other now. And that's enough to keep them both alive. So, this discussion is a farce.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:22

Unless of course, Andres votes for Reenk Roink, or vice versa. :laugh2:

:applause: Good joke... good joke.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-27-2009, 19:23

Gah. Of course a crucial part of mafia strategy is picking the right people to be alive in endgame.

Lynch beefy or white_eyes.

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 19:23

Think objective, disregard reputation and look at Reenks behaviour and mine. It wouldn't make sense if one of us were the Godfather.

I strongly disagree that behavior lends much in the direction of the Mafia.

I will leave your case and use my own.

This entire game certain people (from the dead) have said I was scummy. Yet I have never faced any lynch threats save one slight chance which I brought upon myself by tying it early.

I could have easily known what behaviors would get me in trouble with who, killed off the ones who would jump on me with that behavior.

If I am allowed and able to look objectively at my self, I would say my behavior gives very slight inclinations (and behavior can only give the slightest of inclinations) towards my innocence in some respects, and my guilt in others.

And that is how I would like to have it. :bow:

I will go now, and hope that White eyes is lynched when I return. Will tell you my thoughts after the next round of kills if there are any.

taka

02-27-2009, 19:23

Unless of course, Andres votes for Reenk Roink, or vice versa. :laugh2:

:applause: Good joke... good joke.

very funny indeed :clown:

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:25

That does remind me, Reenk.

You did tie the votes on yourself that round. As such, I have to say... ballsy enough play to warrant the nod from me. I nearly forgot.

That means it falls to Andres... does Reenk Roink vote Andres?

edit: Bah, of course not, he's leaving.

White_eyes is dead, and Reenk is leaving because he knows that the mafia survived the round.

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:30

Well....

With my top two suspects defending one another... and white_eyes as good as dead...
:shrug:

What's a pizzaman to do?

:bow: Well played, mafioso. You wanted it more than the town did. :applause: :applause: :applause:
I hope at the very least I held your feet to the fire and made you earn it nice and square.

Have a :balloon:

:medievalcheers: Here's hoping I was dead wrong about everything, all along. It's town's best hope.

Thermal

02-27-2009, 19:39

White eyes should and will be lynched this round.

Seconded :smash: Andres looks innocent to me :whip:

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 19:41

Sure. :smash:

Go for it. Why not?

Thermal

02-27-2009, 19:43

Sure. :smash:

Go for it. Why not?

Ummm, if i must give a reason because he could be innocent, otherwise lets go with it!

GeneralHankerchief

02-27-2009, 19:59

Voting closed.

-edit- Whoops, one minute off.

GeneralHankerchief

02-27-2009, 20:12

(The following is written mostly by Reenk Roink)

Day 11

Everybody was tense. They were down to six, and not quite sure how many villains were left. People looked around, trying to both analyze other people's movements and at the same time not be analyzed. When there were so few people left, it was impossible to hide.

The votes were eventually tallied and White_eyes:D was the one doomed to judgment by The Wanax. But White_eyes was a scrappy one and the small number of remaining townies had a difficult time restraining and subjugating him so that he could be brought to the Gameroom square.

As the summons of The Wanax were heard, the townies took White_eyes in chains until they saw the silhouette of The Wanax, waiting silently as usual. Though they had been through this ritual before several times, it never seemed to be any less unnerving.

"BRING ME THE DAMNED!" The Wanax boomed suddenly.

White_eyes was pushed towards the square. The Wanax seemed much taller than before, but that was probably due to the fact that WE had never dared come near The Wanax before.

After some silence, White_eyes swallowed some of his fear and took a defiant tone: "Your job is to be the Chief of Police who protects us and finds the Godfather but all you seem to do is terrorize us and use us as fodder for your sadistic punishments! Well, I don't care anymore, do your worst!"

The Wanax, who seemed to be at that point reaching for his phasgana stopped. Though his face remained a static void, White_eyes swore he saw The Wanax raise an eyebrow and then grin.

"Very well," said The Wanax. He then proceeded to utter some chants, and then a small twister localized over the Gameroom square. The townies watched in awe as Askthepizzaguy's body rematerialized. Looking startled for the first minute of his being resurrected, Askthepizzaguy soon got down to business.

Pulling out many documents and charts he began to make SkyNet cases:

"Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..."

The townies all screeched in unison as their eyes and ears went sore from the yakking. The began to run away from the Gameroom square. At this point The Wanax uttered some more chants and a giant clear dome encircled himself, Askthepizzaguy, and White_eyes.

Now that the auditory threat was neutralized, the townies found that by looking indirectly, they could watch the spectacle.

White_eyes was running around screaming, eyes wide shut and ears plugged. Still he could not stop being exposed to the cases of Askthepizzaguy.

Realizing that there was no escape, he began to bang his head on the walls of the dome when he realized the material was some kind of thick, unbrittle aerogel, incapable of dealing a knockout blow. The ground was also made with the same material.

So White_eyes, who was now probably better off being named White_eyes:(, was doomed to spend his last moments with Askthepizzaguy and die at the hands of his SkyNet cases.

A couple of minutes was all it took for White_eyes to finally drop dead, after some unsuccessful lunge attempts at Askthepizzaguy. The townies watched in horror as gray matter began to ooze slowly out of WE's eyes and ears.

However, Askthepizzaguy did not stop, but rather now turned towards The Wanax, pointed an accusatory finger, and began making another case.

The Wanax however, quickly drew his phasgana and cleaved Askthepizzaguy in two.

After burying White_eyes and reburying Askthepizzaguy, the townies went back to their dwellings, apprehensive about what lay ahead.

Day 11 tally:

White_eyes:D: 3 (Andres, Quintus.JC, Reenk Roink) :skull:
Reenk Roink: 1 (White_eyes:D)
Andres: 1 (taka)
Quintus.JC: 1 (Beefy187)

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (5)
Andres
Quintus.JC
Reenk Roink
Beefy187
taka

Killed:
Tratorix
CountArach
seireikhaan
boudica
TinCow
Jolt
Ignoramus
Sasaki Kojiro
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Chaotix27
pevergreen
777Ares777

Executed:
Ichigo
Lord Winter
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
TevashSzat
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
glyphz
Gaius Scribonius Curio
White_eyes:D

Askthepizzaguy

02-27-2009, 20:14

Fitting.

Apprehensive is right. Seems even the Reenkster knows in his own writeup how doomed we all are.

:laugh2:

*buried, and defeated*

Andres

02-27-2009, 20:15

Gah.

ATPG, did you even read my post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2153469&postcount=1717).

Forget about reputation, forget about previous games. Would it make sense for me to behave as I've done? Disregard my posting style and just look at the facts. I was at the risk of getting lynched round 1 and at risk of getting lynched in the previous round and I could have saved my skin by changing a vote, to be more clearly: I could have saved my life with one post, by myself, yet I didn't.

Reenk Roink had his odd behaviour questioned and has been at the risk of being lynched for it. He could have easily lurked himself to victory this round if he were scum. He didn't.

Those are facts.

This is the end game. You're damn right I'm not willing to throw away my life and so is Reenk. This is a crucial round. Possible our very last chance to obtain a townie win.

At this stage of the game, a townie should not risk his life and should not waste his vote. There's a high probability of this being the final round in which we HAVE to lynch scum.

taka, Quintus.JC, Beefy187 and White_Eyes:D are left.

I don't think taka or Quintus.JC are guilty, have good reasons to believe W_E is and am in doubt about Beefy187.

:shrug:

Yes I could be wrong. That's always a possibilty, because in the end, no matter how confident or sure you are (or pretend to be), it's always a bit of guessing in mafia.

I think it's White_Eyes:D.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-27-2009, 20:34

See, this is why I wanted reenk as CoP from the beginning :laugh4:

Reenk Roink

02-27-2009, 20:40

For the analysts this is what I sent to GH:

The votes were tallied and VICTIM was the one doomed to judgment by The Wanax. But VICTIM was a scrappy one and the small number of remaining townies had a difficult time restraining and subjugating him so that he could be brought to the Gameroom square.

As the summons of The Wanax were heard, the townies took the VICTIM in chains until they saw the silhouette of The Wanax, waiting silently as usual. Though they had been through this ritual before several times, it never seemed to be any less unnerving.

"BRING ME THE DAMNED!" The Wanax boomed suddenly.

VICTIM was pushed towards the square. The Wanax seemed much taller than before, but that was probably due to the fact that VICTIM had never dared come near The Wanax before.

After some silence, VICTIM swallowed some of his fear and took a defiant tone: "Your job is to be the Chief of Police who protects us and finds the Godfather but all you seem to do is terrorize us and use us as fodder for your sadistic punishments! Well, I don't care anymore, do your worst!"

The Wanax, who seemed to be at that point reaching for his phasgana stopped. Though his face remained a static void, VICTIM swore he saw The Wanax raise an eyebrow and then grin.

"Very well," said The Wanax. He then proceeded to utter some chants, and then a small twister localized over the Gameroom square. The townies watched in awe as Askthepizzaguy's body rematerialized. Looking startled for the first minute of his being resurrected, Askthepizzaguy soon got down to business.

Pulling out many documents and charts he began to make SkyNet cases:

"Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..."

The townies all screeched in unison as their eyes and ears went sore from the yakking. The began to run away from the Gameroom square.

At this point The Wanax uttered some more chants and a giant clear dome encircled himself, Askthepizzaguy, and VICTIM.

Now that the auditory threat was neutralized, the townies found that by looking indirectly, they could watch the spectacle.

VICTIM was running around screaming, eyes wide shut and ears plugged. Still he could not stop being exposed to the cases of Askthepizzaguy.

Realizing that there was no escape, he began to bang his head on the walls of the dome when he realized the material was some kind of thick, unbrittle aerogel, incapable of dealing a knockout blow. The ground was also made with the same material.

So VICTIM was doomed to spend his last moments with Askthepizzaguy and die at the hands of his SkyNet cases.

A couple of minutes was all it took for VICTIM to finally drop dead, after some unsuccessful lunge attempts at Askthepizzaguy. The townies watched in horror as gray matter began to ooze slowly out of VICTIM's eyes and ears.

However, Askthepizzaguy did not stop, but rather now turned towards The Wanax, pointed an accusatory finger, and began making another case.

The Wanax however, quickly drew his phasgana and cleaved Askthepizzaguy in two.

After burying VICTIM, and reburying Askthepizzaguy, the townies went back to their dwellings, getting ready for the finale.

And yes, the write up idea was done a long time ago and was sent in before the latest round of SkyNetting. You have a deep influence on the game Atpg. ~:pat: :bow: