The Settlement [Concluded]

[shlin28]

*sigh* Do I really need to bring out this? *Brandishes super awsome blade of supreme doom!*

Stop arguing and get back to sleep, I need to guard this little "settlement" of yours in the day, so SHHHHH!

[White_eyes:D]

White_Eyes duel obsession I have given up on duels....either
A) Town well lynch me for having one:skull:
B) or they well reject and ignore the challenge and leave me as murder-bait.....:skull:





looks bad....:shame:

[Reenk Roink]

:stupido:


The settlers gathered unenthusiastically in the gathering hall at the time the priest king had issued. Some of the good men burned some incense to drown out the smell of the men.

After some time, Reenk Roink entered the hall, flanked by his retinue of Bronze Companions and some priests. He began to address the crowd: "Settlers, our preliminary investigation has led us to some conclusions. The events on the ship with the sea creature and the attempt on my life last night are related in some way having to do with the god Vode. We do not know why Vode is displeased with us but the guy has always been somewhat of a prick so it is not completely unexpected."

The priest king continued: "The priests have interpreted the signs of the gods and..."

At this point someone in the crowd abruptly interrupted: "lol gods!" However, his insolence went unpunished as he blended away in the mob.

Reenk Roink, after pausing for a few moments, carried on: "The priests have interpreted the signs of the gods and have come to the conclusion that there are usurpers among us who are following the dictates of Vode. Their goal does not stop at taking my life. They want this entire settlement to be destroyed."

"As of now, we have not identified who exactly these usurpers, but I assure you, I will oversee a thorough investigation of everyone's dwellings as well as consult the priests for info..."

The priest king was interrupted yet again, this time by a visible well dressed man: "Now just wait a minute! You agreed that us settlers would have a say in policy, and we want a say in this!"

Reenk Roink replied: "Yes, but we already have gathered much information and are close to unmask..."

An ordinary dressed man interjected: "Yes, it is us who will oversee the investigation. Every day we will gather the evidence and discuss it, and then vote for who we think is the usurper. Then we will execute that man!"

To this suggestion the settlers cheered in unison while the priest king looked at them incredulously. Soon his expression turned to one of disgust and he stormed out of the hall.


Challenge List:


Alive:

GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Beefy187
TheFlax
Psychonaut
CountArach
FactionHeir
Andres
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
pevergreen
Sigurd
shlin28
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:


Fallen in battle:


Killed:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:taka

[shlin28]

*Brandishes super sword of supreme doom*

I want no trouble today, got it? Any troublemakers here will have a not so friendly meeting with Mr. Very Sharp Sword here.

Got it?

Good.

Vote: Ares

You dare challenge my lord??? :furious3:

[White_eyes:D]

Shlin.....would you accept my challenge to a duel if I gave one?:grin:

[LittleGrizzly]

I have to say about the duels in Midgaard, they provide a good example of what can happen....

Not a single mafia was killed in a duel, the one time a mafia did fight (Sarathos) he concealed his ability and no one could tell there was a gap in duel scores... we killed off a few innocents some of which were suspects as well though, thats why i think the duelling system should be used carefully, if we really need to we can pressure suspects to fight just to remove a suspect....

In terms of actually killing the mafia i think its unlikely in a duel unless we know we have a good guy with a high duel score....

If anyone tells you they can detect mafia from dueling lynch them instantly.... and then TinCow just for good measure ~;)

Edit: ok didn't think i took that long, started before RR posted...

So have we actually discussed anything apart from Pizza being a mason and a spineless peasent, White eyes love for dueling and dueling itselfs... ohh and some commie propaganda...

so umm who to vote for...

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you believe me about my mason reveal, I'd accept information on your duelling strengths to help town determine who should fight later on, should you decide to.

Really dumb of me to ask, for my survival. Trust me or don't. I have to find a way to be useful now.

Vote: No Lynch

Give the pro-town roles a chance to do their thing and gather data, people.

Edit: Nevermind, that's not allowed this game.

Vote: Abstain.

[Reenk Roink]

Not day. You would see kills and such. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Edit; nevermind, it is night phase apparently.

[shlin28]

Shlin.....would you accept my challenge to a duel if I gave one?:grin:

Pah, farmers thinking they are so special and powerful... when its us conscripts who do all the dirty jobs and protect their lives... and what happens after couple years? I get promoted to "Conscript-In-Chief"... stupid farmers...*grumbles for a long long time*

You dare face my blade of SUPREME DOOM? :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just confirmed it with Reenk, it is Night phase. Cease voting.

[White_eyes:D]

I guess not.....:juggle2: it sounds like you MIGHT have a higher dual score.....but it is not high enough for me to think your worth dieing over....either your a peasant=even odds or your a super power=instant death WE:D:smash:

[boudica]

yatta yatta...

....And, I cannot turn myself into a lurker, because that would get me lynched as well. I tried to play it in the middle this game, and that made me a target for White_Eyes duel obsession.

No matter what I do, I am the next great scapegoat. Beefy187, you have been dethroned.

Notice how he hides the truth with the jibber of the common man. I have bolded to stress it.

ooc: this is why you get lynched old bean - people know you will come back from the dead to help the cause even if you aren't trying to pull the wool of some poor goat over our eyes.

[Thermal]

*Brandishes super sword of supreme doom*

I want no trouble today, got it? Any troublemakers here will have a not so friendly meeting with Mr. Very Sharp Sword here.

Got it?

Good.

Vote: Ares

You dare challenge my lord??? :furious3:

*runs back and cowers*

No no! you have got it all wrong, I was offering a sacrifice of my life to him, Not a challenge but the chance to kill me, please I mean no harm ~:mecry:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Alright have to run to work (friday/saturday is the low point of my activity cycle).

One point I'd like to make. At this early stage it makes no sense for people to be challenging anyone. Later on when there is more information available it might be more acceptable, but even then I'd recommend against it...

[Askthepizzaguy]

:clown:

[CountArach]

"lol gods!"

*Blends into crowd*

[Lord Winter]

I think this game might be a record for most information produced without anything useful coming out of it.

I think this game may even beat godfather 3 judging on everything that's gone on before day one.

[Captain Blackadder]

Now my fellow men we must remain together for as the good book of Renk says tis good men or men has no bearing for we all one in being men for we must stop the usurpers.

[White_eyes:D]

I think this game may even beat godfather 3 judging on everything that's gone on before day one.

Lord Winter.....you just earned a SIG....:smash::smash::smash::clown::clown::clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wrong on Godfather III, and way too MUCH info on turn one here. Kind of the total opposite, in fact. If it matters, which obviously it doesn't. Anyone for a duel? :duel:

[Beefy187]

Wrong on Godfather III, and way too MUCH info on turn one here. Kind of the total opposite, in fact. If it matters, which obviously it doesn't. Anyone for a duel? :duel:

If its Ok if I use my friend... Then sure :yes:

If I win, you pay up. If I lose... I'll excuse you for a while for your valour

[Lord Winter]

Lord Winter.....you just earned a SIG....:smash::smash::smash::clown::clown::clown:

Awesome first sig quote :2thumbsup:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Boudica:

What's the trick with parsnip wine? Past the tastebuds and into the gizzards before they know what's hit them?

Arach:

Are you laughing AT the gods or at the CONCEPT of gods?

[CountArach]

Arach:

Are you laughing AT the gods or at the CONCEPT of gods?
Religion is the opiate of the masses, etc, etc.

*Throws out random slogans then fades back into the crowd*

[Captain Blackadder]

Religion is the opiate of the masses, etc, etc.

*Throws out random slogans then fades back into the crowd*


How dare you whelp? Repent now and you will be forgiven for Reenk is ever merciful. You will take your comment back or you shall be doomed for all eternity.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I may be rendered entirely useless when morning comes. If you want to trust me with duel info or any other info, now is the time.



EDIT: If there are defenders and such, don't bother using that skill on me, please.

[Beefy187]

I may be rendered entirely useless when morning comes. If you want to trust me with duel info or any other info, now is the time.



EDIT: If there are defenders and such, don't bother using that skill on me, please.

You bad at fighting? Join the club :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

Whats a club?

I had a club once... Back when I had to go to Morganville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So I went to Shelbyville, which is what we call Morganville these days. Anyway, to get to Shelbyville cost a sacrifice. In those days, sacrifices were only allowed on children. "Take me grandkids for the trip" you'd say. Aaaanyway the important part is that I need a new heel for my shoe. And a club.

How do you join a big piece of wood? Should I burn myself? Ooh look...a coconut. Can I grow nuts?

[CountArach]

Can I grow nuts?
Maybe when you start to become a real boy.

[pevergreen]

But I'm a grown up.

How do i become boy?

I'm gunna go play farm now.

[Andres]

Can I grow nuts?

Dear sir, it just happens to be so that I have this excellent cream here. Just rub it on the belly twice a day. It comes at 3 silver pieces, but if you take 4, you get three steaks for free!

[pevergreen]

I like steaks. They make rumbly-wumblies go bye bye.

Can I have them? You can play farm with me.

Andres play farm with me. You too big fancy Reenk Roink guy. Come get dirty and grow some nuts with me.

I dont have any money, i have lots of points though.

Do you like points? They are fun to get. I get them from playing farm.

Does anyone else play farm? Why are you all looking at me?

What day is it? Why is the sky black. Someone change it back to blue.

How do I vote?

[naut]

I like steaks. They make rumbly-wumblies go bye bye.
Come then, warm your self by the fire and I'll make you some chunky steak pie.

[pevergreen]

Really?

Whats a pie? Where should I put my stuff.

Who are you?

[Reenk Roink]

Still waiting on an order. We will stick to our final deadline of noon Eastern. :bow:

[pevergreen]

Does that mean we can get some more onions? I need one on my belt, its the style at the time.

Do you want to play farm?

[Reenk Roink]

Night ended. Stay tuned.

[TinCow]

You'd better be careful, pevergreen. All those onions will attract wolves. You wouldn't want wolves to be after you, would you?

[Yoyoma1910]

Maybe we should start a farm bureau to help our farmers determine what should be produced? This would help not only insure that our dear agricultural workers produce goods that will help our settlement prosper, but also that their work be profitable to them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was informed during my data mining attempt that there is something interesting about the game set-up. A few people trusted me with their info, and even from that small pool, much was revealed.

[Reenk Roink]

By the way, if you got a night summary PM, do not post anything related to it until the writeup (which will usually come right after all PM's are sent, the first night always proves the exception).

Thanks :bow:

[Csargo]

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[Reenk Roink]

Note: Voting ends Saturday at 20:00 EST.

:stupido:


Night fell upon the settlement and most everything had become dark and still, but the house of the man they called The Flax had a dim glow emanating from it. Inside The Flax was engrossed in his writing and scribbled away copiously. You see, The Flax was a scribe, and had devoted his life to the noble cause of Writing. He was composing yet another work of polemic against Reading, which scribes considered to be Writing’s arch nemesis.

It was at this moment that a man slipped into the house of The Flax. He was so silent that The Flax could not hear him over the sound of the gentle scratching sound his quill made when striking the papyrus.

Not many moments passed before the man pounced and drove a blade deep into the side of the neck of The Flax. Mortally wounded, The Flax spent his last moments desperately trying to prevent the blood spilling on his work. It was really a useless effort, however, as his killer shoved his now limp body off the desk and proceeded to roll up a sheet of papyrus and smoke it, well pleased with his kill.


In the outskirts of the settlement, a man stood next to an unpitched tent. He seemed to be engaged in a heated argument with an owls. After much hooting and hollering the owl let out a series of howls that those learned in the art of owl interpretation would render as: "How can I checkmate the one who not only refuses to make a move, but doesn’t even know how to play the game?"

Before the man could offer his final thoughts, a large figure, clad in well crafted armor that was dark as obsidian approached. The man turned his attention to the armored figure and cheerfully greeted him: "Hiya!"

The armored figure responded in a cool, deep tone: "What is your name?" What a critical error this warrior of Vode committed as the man opened his mouth...

"They call me pevergreen."

"It's spelled with a small p because my mommy said I was special."

"So what’s that big sword for?"

"It's shiny."

"I think I stepped in something."

"People say I talk a lot."

"Do you think so?"

"You look funny"

"This is the longest conversation I’ve ever had!"

"People sometimes throw rocks at me."

"Are you going to throw rocks at me?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

"How about now?"

Throughout this, the armored man went through a wide range of emotions he thought he had succeeded in suppressing: he was initially bored, then became confused, then became irritated, then became enraged, and finally felt some fear and pity.

He finally shouted: "ENOUGH! I have HAD my FILL of the nonsense that you freaks in this settlement constantly spout that continually tests my will, mettle, strength, intelligence, and most of all, patience! If you do not draw your sword RIGHT NOW and take the first swing I will give the world a sight that even the immortal gods in the Divine Forest have never seen. Do I make myself perfectly CLEAR!"

Immediately, pevergreen picked up a stick and began to draw a sword with it in the mud. This action so infuriated the armored man that he did not even wait for pevergreen to initiate the fight as was his custom. He pulled out his mace and pounded pevergreen’s head into the mud, and although the blow instantly killed him, the armored man continued to pound away pevergreen into a bloody pulp, each strike sending pink mist into the air.

As dawn finally woke from her slumber, the two dead bodies were discovered by a slave and the priest king Reenk Roink was quickly notified. The settlers were summoned to the gathering hall and all arrived on time except the one called Yoyoma who was found sleeping in his home with the sacred text of OsiOsi in one hand and an empty bottle of wine with a pretty ribbon in the other.

Finally when all the living settlers had arrived, Reenk Roink announced to the crowd: "The bodies of two of you have been found brutally murdered. Do go and bicker and conjecture in all your futility so that you may have an innocent executed. I'm going to be drink-"

The priest king was interrupted by a slave who barged inside the entrance hall holding a rock that while covered with blood still had an uncanny shine. The slave exclaimed: "I found these on master pevergreen's body, LOOK!"

As all present in the gathering gazed into the palm sized stone, they saw the entire events of pevergreen's last moments being played out. They saw the argument with the owl and they saw the armored man approach and kill him. They even saw who the armored man was. It was the man called Ares!

Reenk Roink immediately gave the order to his Bronze Companions to draw their swords and seize Ares, but amazingly, this drew protestations from the crowd who demanded they vote on the matter.

The priest king angrily stormed out of the gathering hall muttering: "Why did I have to lead such a piss hat bunch..."


Challenge List:


Alive:

GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Beefy187
Psychonaut
CountArach
FactionHeir
Andres
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
Sigurd
shlin28
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:


Fallen in battle:


Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Ares

[shlin28]

:inquisitive:

What did I say about causing trouble? Ares???

Vote: Ares

Time to meet my best friend... Mr. Very Sharp Sword!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Abstain

I suspect we have a lot of pro-town roles. I really, really suspect we have several pro-town roles. I'd give these folks a chance to do their job. Since No Lynch isn't an option, I won't be voting for anyone. Of course, since I was spared last night, I have another chance to beg for your information, which I will give to my fellow mason. I will be persistent about this until I am murdered or you lynch me, so fair warning.

If you don't have a strong pro-town role, take a risk. We need to at least know who has a poor duel rating. Any information whatsoever would be helpful.

:wall:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

ahaha, what? Vote:Ares

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Abstain

I suspect we have a lot of pro-town roles. I really, really suspect we have several pro-town roles. I'd give these folks a chance to do their job. Since No Lynch isn't an option, I won't be voting for anyone. Of course, since I was spared last night, I have another chance to beg for your information, which I will give to my fellow mason. I will be persistent about this until I am murdered or you lynch me, so fair warning.

If you don't have a strong pro-town role, take a risk. We need to at least know who has a poor duel rating. Any information whatsoever would be helpful.

:wall:

I personally don't agree with giving information to pizza. We have no confirmation that he is a mason. If I had been running this game I would have given the mafia fakeclaims.

[Csargo]

I have seen the light. Vote: Ares

A rock told me too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Uh huh. Mmmkay.

Well, two murders would prove my innocence past death, and since my role is now utterly useless, get rid of me if you're so suspicious. My death saves at least one vital role from being lynched.

unvote: Abstain
vote: Pizzaguy

Not everything I do is WIFOM, gentlemen. Sometimes, throw me a bone.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Uh huh. Mmmkay.

Well, two murders would prove my innocence past death, and since my role is now utterly useless, get rid of me if you're so suspicious. My death saves at least one vital role from being lynched.

unvote: Abstain
vote: Pizzaguy

Not everything I do is WIFOM, gentlemen. Sometimes, throw me a bone.

How about you chill out, read the write up again, and vote for ares since it said that he's guilty.

VV There's a role called the watcher, can pick someone to watch and then they see whoever kills that person. It's like a weak version of the detective. That's what this sounds like to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm.

:inquisitive:

Didn't even bother reading the whole thing, just checked who was dead.

unvote: myself
vote: Ares

:shrug: I don't believe everything i read in the writeups, but this is convincing stuff.

[Thermal]

???

[TinCow]

Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I questioned Ares via instant messenger. He seemed more shocked and stunned that he had been exposed, and it took prodding him repeatedly before he claimed a fake role.

If he had been innocent, he would have immediately tried to convince me he was innocent, and not hesitated.


I don't think it's 100% proof he's guilty either, but questioning him in private, in real time, he basically sputtered in his defense. I think the pressure got to him and he couldn't come up with a lie fast enough.

[White_eyes:D]

They even saw who the armored man was. It was the man called Ares! hmmm......could be false info:inquisitive:....but I am willing to go along with it for one round ....Vote:Ares the peasant killer

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I questioned Ares via instant messenger. He seemed more shocked and stunned that he had been exposed, and it took prodding him repeatedly before he claimed a fake role.

If he had been innocent, he would have immediately tried to convince me he was innocent, and not hesitated.


I don't think it's 100% proof he's guilty either, but questioning him in private, in real time, he basically sputtered in his defense. I think the pressure got to him and he couldn't come up with a lie fast enough.

Why don't you post a chat log?

[Thermal]

Company for the mentally disabled says:
hello
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
yes hello
Company for the mentally disabled says:
How are you?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
better than you. Sudden instant bandwagon on you in the Settlement game
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
why?
Company for the mentally disabled says:
i havent lucked
Company for the mentally disabled says:
better look and see why im being beat to death
Company for the mentally disabled says:
why? just a question, most people will tend to ask, sorry...lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
no I mean do you know why youre being wagonned
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
what is your role, tell me now please
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
anything
Company for the mentally disabled says:
can i at least look at the thread first? lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
go for it
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
looks like you're a little screwed there buddy
Company for the mentally disabled says:
im reading slowly lolz
Company for the mentally disabled says:
?

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
well? Do you have a defense?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
If you're going to trust anyone, it had better be me.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
Defense?
Company for the mentally disabled says:
no my battle ratin is 0
Company for the mentally disabled says:
rating*
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I mean your defense against the host pointing the finger at you
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
in the writeup
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
do you have a defense?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
what's your alibi?
Company for the mentally disabled says:
??? i dont have one
Company for the mentally disabled says:
who could leave that in a write up?
Company for the mentally disabled says:
it isnt even a clue, its a statement
Company for the mentally disabled says:
???
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
my guess:
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
since it wasn't written by the mafioso; it is separate and in the body of Reenk's text
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
it is due to either one of two thing
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
s
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Someone had the ability to spy on someone, and saw precisely what had happened
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
or there is a chance that murder attempts will cause oneself to be exposed in this game
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
alternatively, Reenk is sadistic.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
if murder attemot reveal then how come the flax's killer is undiscovered?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
that lends me to believe there is a pro-town role involved in exposing the usurpers
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
or that there is a chance of failure, and flax's killer succeded undetected
Company for the mentally disabled says:
well i think he just did it so he hasnt got to decide who to lynch in draws lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
right, well if you were innocent you'd tell me.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
im innocent
Company for the mentally disabled says:
any difference?
Company for the mentally disabled says:
thought not....
Company for the mentally disabled says:

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
What is your role then?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
battle rating?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
special ability?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I'm the only one here who might believe you.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
you better tell me
Company for the mentally disabled says:
You are a Laborer

Background:

Once upon a time the gods would build buildings and plow fields for humans. Then some stupid priest king tried to kill the gods because he was upset at how he had to walk downstairs to use the bathroom in his palace. Needless to say, the gods weren't happy with this ungrateful attitude towards their architectural design and so they made humans work.

So you work. It
Company for the mentally disabled says:
So you work. It really isn't that bad, but your lot are a bunch of lazy whiners so they always complain and are ungrateful to the benevolent bourgeois.

You make a long list of grievances, but they really are pretenses for wanting a cushy white robe job like the priests and bureaucrats have where they just look at pretty women when their bosses aren't looking.

Battle Rating:

3 – Your line of wor
Company for the mentally disabled says:
really toughens up a man, and even though you don't have any military training or equipment, you are pretty tough to fight.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
sounds like you have a grudge against the priest king
Company for the mentally disabled says:
yup
Company for the mentally disabled says:
just being honest
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
uh huh
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I'm sorry, buddy. I've not been getting the benefit of the doubt either.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I have to report my findings.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
I couldnt of just magiced a fake role up like that, unless i already had one prepared and im not that organized so
Company for the mentally disabled says:
ok
Company for the mentally disabled says:
....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Sorry. Feel free to argue your case in public.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Or here, whicheevr
Company for the mentally disabled says:
here is more convient
Company for the mentally disabled says:
but public to i guesss.....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I am listening. I found your hesitation to try to convince me you were innocent suspect, and so I had to report that.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
But I am listening.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
well you say giving role pm's is scummy caus they can be forged
Company for the mentally disabled says:
what else was i ment to say?
Company for the mentally disabled says:
the write up points at me bluntly
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
yes. And if you're innocent, that's really, really unfair.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Thats why I want to know whats really going on
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I've been framed before
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
the trouble is, the mafia didn't frame you, the host did.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Thats tough stuff
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
feel free to comiserate with me.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
well your post was quite hyarsh
Company for the mentally disabled says:
i didnt even hesitate that much!
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
it was my honest opinion.
Company for the mentally disabled says:

[LittleGrizzly]

Im with TinCow... this seems way too easy... when has the host ever told us who was guilty ?

ATPG comment does make me suspect him slightly more...

He could have a pro town role he didn't want to reveal..

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am checking, but that chat log looks authentic. It's what I have so far.

Ouch, though, please spoiler it.


And by the way, this isn't an elaborate deception either. Lynch me next round. I am creative, but not this creative.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok, that thing is a bear to read. I am reposting it in a more readable format, Ares.


One moment.


Aries777777 said:
better look and see why im being beat to death
Aries777777 said:
why? just a question, most people will tend to ask, sorry...lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com said:
lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com said:
no I mean do you know why youre being wagonned
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com said:
what is your role, tell me now please
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com said:
anything
Aries777777 said:
can i at least look at the thread first? lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com said:
go for it
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com said:
looks like you're a little screwed there buddy
Aries777777 said:
im reading slowly lolz

Aries777777 says:
?

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
well? Do you have a defense?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
If you're going to trust anyone, it had better be me.
Aries777777 says:
Defense?
Aries777777 says:
no my battle ratin is 0
Aries777777 says:
rating*
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I mean your defense against the host pointing the finger at you
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
in the writeup
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
do you have a defense?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
what's your alibi?
Aries777777 says:
??? i dont have one
Aries777777 says:
who could leave that in a write up?
Aries777777 says:
it isnt even a clue, its a statement
Aries777777 says:
???
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
my guess:
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
since it wasn't written by the mafioso; it is separate and in the body of Reenk's text
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
it is due to either one of two thing
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
s
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Someone had the ability to spy on someone, and saw precisely what had happened
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
or there is a chance that murder attempts will cause oneself to be exposed in this game
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
alternatively, Reenk is sadistic.
Aries777777 says:
if murder attemot reveal then how come the flax's killer is undiscovered?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
that lends me to believe there is a pro-town role involved in exposing the usurpers
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
or that there is a chance of failure, and flax's killer succeded undetected
Aries777777 says:
well i think he just did it so he hasnt got to decide who to lynch in draws lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
right, well if you were innocent you'd tell me.
Aries777777 says:
im innocent
Aries777777 says:
any difference?
Aries777777 says:
thought not....
Aries777777 says:

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
What is your role then?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
battle rating?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
special ability?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I'm the only one here who might believe you.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
you better tell me
Aries777777 says:
You are a Laborer

Background:

Once upon a time the gods would build buildings and plow fields for humans. Then some stupid priest king tried to kill the gods because he was upset at how he had to walk downstairs to use the bathroom in his palace. Needless to say, the gods weren't happy with this ungrateful attitude towards their architectural design and so they made humans work.

So you work. It
Aries777777 says:
So you work. It really isn't that bad, but your lot are a bunch of lazy whiners so they always complain and are ungrateful to the benevolent bourgeois.

You make a long list of grievances, but they really are pretenses for wanting a cushy white robe job like the priests and bureaucrats have where they just look at pretty women when their bosses aren't looking.

Battle Rating:

3 – Your line of wor
Aries777777 says:
really toughens up a man, and even though you don't have any military training or equipment, you are pretty tough to fight.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
sounds like you have a grudge against the priest king
Aries777777 says:
yup
Aries777777 says:
just being honest
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
uh huh
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I'm sorry, buddy. I've not been getting the benefit of the doubt either.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I have to report my findings.
Aries777777 says:
I couldnt of just magiced a fake role up like that, unless i already had one prepared and im not that organized so
Aries777777 says:
ok
Aries777777 says:
....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Sorry. Feel free to argue your case in public.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Or here, whicheevr
Aries777777 says:
here is more convient
Aries777777 says:
but public to i guesss.....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I am listening. I found your hesitation to try to convince me you were innocent suspect, and so I had to report that.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
But I am listening.
Aries777777 says:
well you say giving role pm's is scummy caus they can be forged
Aries777777 says:
what else was i ment to say?
Aries777777 says:
the write up points at me bluntly
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
yes. And if you're innocent, that's really, really unfair.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Thats why I want to know whats really going on
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I've been framed before
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
the trouble is, the mafia didn't frame you, the host did.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Thats tough stuff
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
feel free to commiserate with me.
Aries777777 says:
well your post was quite hyarsh
Aries777777 says:
i didnt even hesitate that much!
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
it was my honest opinion.
Aries777777 says:
meh
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
There is something odd going on. We will find out what that is.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I'll keep an open mind about you, but I have to be a little skeptical.
Aries777777 says:
well thats me gone, revenge for taking him out on my mafia games lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
ouch, my eyes
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
can you spoiler that?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
pleeeze


I think that one can be read with a minimum of eye strain.

[TinCow]

I questioned Ares via instant messenger. He seemed more shocked and stunned that he had been exposed, and it took prodding him repeatedly before he claimed a fake role.

I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?

[Thermal]

it had a quote at the start to but i missed the top

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?

1) Say it was endgame, would you want ares to be one of the 3-4 living people?
2) Do you have a better day one lynch?

A watcher role is plausible, and Ares claimed to have a battle rating of 0 ever though the pm he posted says 3.

[Thermal]

full pm



Your mother reminds me of the most just socio-economic ideal: every worker gets a share!

Laborer inside joke
You are a Laborer

Background:

Once upon a time the gods would build buildings and plow fields for humans. Then some stupid priest king tried to kill the gods because he was upset at how he had to walk downstairs to use the bathroom in his palace. Needless to say, the gods weren't happy with this ungrateful attitude towards their architectural design and so they made humans work.

So you work. It really isn't that bad, but your lot are a bunch of lazy whiners so they always complain and are ungrateful to the benevolent bourgeois.

You make a long list of grievances, but they really are pretenses for wanting a cushy white robe job like the priests and bureaucrats have where they just look at pretty women when their bosses aren't looking.

Battle Rating:

3 – Your line of work really toughens up a man, and even though you don't have any military training or equipment, you are pretty tough to fight.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)

[Thermal]

A watcher role is plausible, and Ares claimed to have a battle rating of 0 ever though the pm he posted says 3.

that was sarcasm, but take it as you will :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?

Because it took him like 15 minutes to come up with it, and was more stunned at being exposed than adamant he was innocent, nor did he really try to convince me he was innocent.

I am listening to your playing the devil's advocate, and I am keeping an open mind. I doubt his partner would defend him so openly.


The conversation has been reposted in readable format, I think. Check my post above.

[White_eyes:D]

Company for the mentally disabled says:
no my battle ratin is 0
Company for the mentally disabled says:
rating* why lie about his battle rating at first, if he had a average one???? Ares is also not acting like he has been framed either.....:inquisitive: check *Dark Vacuum* and he was screaming about his innocence:inquisitive:......plus *The usurpers* likely are common working men and noble men, with real roles.

[Thermal]

Because it took him like 15 minutes to come up with it

8 minutes by my count, And my grammar could never meet that standard but whatever you think....

[Thermal]

why lie about his battle rating at first, if he had a average one???? Ares is also not acting like he has been framed either.....:inquisitive: check *Dark Vacuum* and he was screaming about his innocence:inquisitive:......plus *The usurpers* likely are common working men and noble men, with real roles.

I've calmed down on more recent games, as to avoid getting a ban if you get my drift :wink:

[TinCow]

1) Say it was endgame, would you want ares to be one of the 3-4 living people?
2) Do you have a better day one lynch?

A watcher role is plausible, and Ares claimed to have a battle rating of 0 ever though the pm he posted says 3.

1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?

[GeneralHankerchief]

You said your battle rating was zero yet in the PM it's three. What gives?

-edit- Evidence:


Aries777777 says:
no my battle ratin is 0


Battle Rating:

3 – Your line of work really toughens up a man, and even though you don't have any military training or equipment, you are pretty tough to fight.

[Thermal]

1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.



I agree (see hes right i sway with the minority :sweatdrop: )


@GH:

I already said, i was being sarcastic, i would have put '0' in the role pm if i forged it and was being serious, no?

[White_eyes:D]

If i have succumbed to nephilim i know nothing of it, unless players aren't informed that they have been changed then your a fat liar, And a bandwagon has started against me over it? If you continuously take peoples words for things so scantly then town will never win, i'm not going to be angry at anyone particular, but it couldnt do any harm to think for yourself, had i have made this baseless statement about seireikhaan before he made one up about me, the exact thing would have happened to him, far to easy to forge.


I mose well mention some observations before you maul me:

- Andres was dragged into the mess hall, so his killer is probably from another room
- The killer hates families and children, just an observation


All votes after seireikhaan have been

-best lead we have

It isn't a lead though its a statement by a player who hasn't been proven innocent himself, and unless ive been mistaken he's lying

-inclined to believe im guilt

I wonder why? That annoys me highly.

-willing to go with it

Oh you mean your willing to follow a bandwagon just to kill a random person off?

-I guess so

???


Seriously town, investigate seireikhaan and stop doing mindless voting


right thats my piece, if im innocent you will lynch seireikhaan i assume?You still think your framed???:smash::smash:

Edit:He freaks if framed for real.......you just feel the injustice coming from his words.....:no: but the Ares now.....far to calm..:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?


Fine. I'll give him benefit of the doubt if you want. One round enough for an investigation?

If you need to axe someone, you know where to find a volunteer. But I am very unsure about his innocence and I am sure about mine.

Ares: :thumbsdown: on your defense. It shouldn't take 8 minutes to post a role pm without altering it.

[FactionHeir]

vote: Ares

I'm skeptical of the writeup, but lacking any better lead, I think we go with it.

Any thoughts about the first kill btw? Seemed to be a smoker or somesuch.

[Thermal]

You still think your framed???:smash::smash:

yup, the evidence wasnt as strong as it is on this game, this is a statement, dark vaccum was questionable, and what makes you think my behavior is so predictable?

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: Ares
vote: askthepizzaguy

TinCow, if you want a benefit of the doubt on him for a round, you basically have to vote for me instead. The bandwagon will be so large that you don't really need my vote anyway.

Edit: alternatively, we could lynch him and investigate him tonight. Seems to be safer than letting him kill again.

[TinCow]

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

[Thermal]

Fine. I'll give him benefit of the doubt if you want. One round enough for an investigation?

If you need to axe someone, you know where to find a volunteer. But I am very unsure about his innocence and I am sure about mine.

Ares: :thumbsdown: on your defense. It shouldn't take 8 minutes to post a role pm without altering it.

I told you my role after you asked for it, It never came to mind before then, had you have asked at the start of the convo, i would haven given then instead


I gave it within 30 seconds of you asking

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Ares
Vote: FactionHeir

Don't like it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

Ok.

But if he were a mafia, and he had a large role Pm from the host, he could have forged it ahead of time, obviously. Or made very minor edits, that's not hard either. Vote who you like. I think it should be Ares, but massive bandwagons aren't necessary. If town decides to change their mind, we need other people with votes on them. I would say, however, that the Good Men have the ability to seriously mess with the tally, so a close vote is still dangerous. I think several Good Men should abstain.

[White_eyes:D]

yup, the evidence wasnt as strong as it is on this game, this is a statement, dark vaccum was questionable, and what makes you think my behavior is so predictable?

:mellow: because of your delays with your role PM, lies about your duel score and your almost feeling guilty and not protesting much, I.E. calmness....:smash:

[Thermal]

:mellow: because of your delays with your role PM, lies about your duel score and your almost feeling guilty and not protesting much, I.E. calmness....:smash:

since when has a mafia been calm when there being mass voted?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

There is zero evidence that he was framed. That is a baseless assumption and on the wrong side of occam's razor.


Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?

I think he's guilty because the writeup says he was. When do we ever get this good of a day one lynch? At worst, following your line of reasoning will either give ares the victory if he survives, or force the watcher role to reveal. At worst, my line of reasoning gets rid of a huge WIFOM in the late game.


You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

As a game host, there is a 0% chance that I would not have given the mafia fake townie role pm's.

[White_eyes:D]

You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

He just needed to cut off the part about "the Usurpers", Reenk and I got the idea from YLC.....he made a cover role in which, all we had to do was edit out the top or bottom of the Mafia role.....:book: he fooled me with it on "Whispers in the night":shame:

[Yoyoma1910]

:Zzzz:


...


Gentlemen, I have a terrible hangover, and I don't know about all this racket.


It is true that the gentleman known as Ares may have been framed, but it is also quite possible that he is guilty of the murder of this poor, simple farmer. Have any of you a better way of finding the truth than mere speculation?

[Thermal]

chatlog 2




Company for the mentally disabled says:
meh
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
There is something odd going on. We will find out what that is.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I'll keep an open mind about you, but I have to be a little skeptical.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
well thats me gone, revenge for taking him out on my mafia games lol
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
ouch, my eyes
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
can you spoiler that?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
pleeeze
Company for the mentally disabled says:
never
Company for the mentally disabled says:
lol
Company for the mentally disabled says:
spoliered
Company for the mentally disabled says:
What type of music are you into?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
A bunch, nothing specific.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I hate to bail on you, like this; I have to go do a thing
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I will be back in a couple hours
Company for the mentally disabled says:
ok then...
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I voted myself.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
see ya
Company for the mentally disabled says:
i saw....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
If you want to save your butt, vote me.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
no
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I'm trying, pal.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
your innocent
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Yes I am
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Are you?
Company for the mentally disabled says:

Company for the mentally disabled says:
so why would i kill a fellow townie?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
You have 3 for a duel rating.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I have 2
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
you're more valuable than me.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I have no special ability.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
nor do i
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
3 duel is better than 2.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
You're more valuable.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
youre more trusted
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
You will be investigated and proven innocent.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
then you will be trusted.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Don't argue, do it.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
it will make me look sucmmier regardless
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
too late.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
Some are skeptical, if you want to survive you have to vote me.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
I am due to be lynched or murdered soon anyway for the mason reveal.
Company for the mentally disabled says:
not sure, you always expect to be took out though....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
ok, well can't say I didn't try
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
TTYL, just shrug it off, just a game
Company for the mentally disabled says:
yup
Company for the mentally disabled says:

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
at least you didn't get exposed as a mason on turn 1
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail address not verified) says:
LOL
Company for the mentally disabled says:
lol

[TinCow]

There is zero evidence that he was framed. That is a baseless assumption and on the wrong side of occam's razor.

You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:


When do we ever get this good of a day one lynch?

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We're going to have to be careful with the vote tally given the nature of the game:

Ares: 5 (shlin, sasaki,Ichigo, white_eyes, FactionHeir
FactionHeir: 2 (GH (2))
PizzaGuy: 1(PizzaGuy)


You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:



We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not.
Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

"too good to be true" is a fallacy. Mafia have been investigated night one, was that "too good to be true"? Your suggestion that ares being framed would prove he is innocent is also faulty, we don't know enough about the game roles to say that.


Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

Why? I can just as easily say "townies are not framed by the host in the first day write-up".

Essentially you are claiming that a role that can frame people is more likely than a role that can detect a killer. Actually you are claiming that a role that can detect a killer is IMPOSSIBLE which is clearly not true. We almost never find mafia by analysis on day one so Ares is clearly the best choice. Again, read the worst case scenarios.

[White_eyes:D]

Ok....everybody knows I have a duel score of two....so no harm in revealing now, right?
Hello White_eyes:D, thanks for playing

Quote:
Farming is the eternal war continuously being waged by mankind against the relentlessly invading hordes of the evil plant kingdom.

Definition of farming
You are a Farmer

Background:

In the beginning the gods/mods decided to create a game. A mortal multiplayer on-earth role playing game called Life. So they created the Earth. Then they created the factions that would inhabit the Earth. On the one hand there were the plants, a faction of seemingly passive warriors who overwhelmed others with their sheer numbers. On the other hand there were the animals, who were much less stationary and much less numerous than the plants.

The animals at first were seriously nerfed, with only some among them being able to cause minimal damage the plants by grazing attacks. What was worse was that animal poop was plant food! For a long time, the plants pwned the animals. Plant spamming was a frequent complaint to the gods/mods.

Obviously the game was unbalanced so the gods/mods decided to introduce a new animal class: the human. The human was the most dangerous animal yet. However, the human had a long learning curve so for quite some time the plants had an easy time pwing the human players who were all noobs at that point. Their gathering attack was even less effective against the plants than the other animals' grazing attack.

Eventually however, some clans playing on certain maps unlocked a new package: the farmer. For the first time, the humans began to turn the tide against the plants, much to the chagrin of the latter who accused the humans of h4x. Now that the basic techniques of farming have been honed the learning curve is gone and over 70% of players now choose to be farmers.

Beware, however, as the gods/mods are rumored to introduce a new expansion pack called Urbanization which will nerf the farmer and force him to the margins of Life! Luckily the release date is a long time away. Until then, you will continue to rack up the points as a farmer. You did have to find a new server though, as you got banned from your old one.

Battle Rating:

2 - You don't have any type of military training and are dirt poor (actually you have a lot of dirt...) but you are ripped from toiling the fields all day and you can swing a mean hoe.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)

[GeneralHankerchief]

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

QFT.

Besides, if we just blindly lynch Ares then that's a round where the mafia can slip by without any repercussions. Like FactionHeir.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be back in several hours. Recommend Ares for the lynch, or unless there's compelling evidence against someone else, myself to spare a pro-town role.

I am very much operating under the assumption many of you have pro-town roles. As a matter of fact, I think we have more than one pair of masons, from a private convo I had. But I could have misinterpreted the comment.


Further conversation with ares: (spoilered and not particularly useful information)

Ares has the unfortunate habit of making the chat log unreadable.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I hate to bail on you, like this; I have to go do a thing
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I will be back in a couple hours
Aries777777 says:
ok then...
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I voted myself.
Aries777777 says:
see ya
Aries777777 says:
i saw....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
If you want to save your butt, vote me.
Aries777777 says:
no
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I'm trying, pal.
Aries777777 says:
your innocent
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Yes I am
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Are you?
Aries777777 says:
so why would i kill a fellow townie?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
You have 3 for a duel rating.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I have 2
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
you're more valuable than me.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I have no special ability.
Aries777777 says:
nor do i
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
3 duel is better than 2.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
You're more valuable.
Aries777777 says:
youre more trusted
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
You will be investigated and proven innocent.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
then you will be trusted.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Don't argue, do it.
Aries777777 says:
it will make me look sucmmier regardless
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
too late.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Some are skeptical, if you want to survive you have to vote me.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I am due to be lynched or murdered soon anyway for the mason reveal.
Aries777777 says:
not sure, you always expect to be took out though....
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
ok, well can't say I didn't try
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
TTYL, just shrug it off, just a game
Aries777777 says:
yup
Aries777777 says:

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
at least you didn't get exposed as a mason on turn 1
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
LOL
Aries777777 says:
lol


Reposted with permission from Ares.

I don't get it. An investigation would prove him innocent, yet he seems reluctant to even accept my help. That doesn't fly with me. I don't care who you lynch, but he needs to be investigated or lynched soon. I gotta run, I also volunteer for the investigation or lynch, to squelch any rumors I am guilty.

Still recommend him for the lynch, just offering alternatives.

[Thermal]

Ok....everybody knows I have a duel score of two....so no harm in revealing now, right?

Are you silly? mafia now have you as there next target, with the complications in this game i bet they'll eat roles like that for breakfast

[Thermal]

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
Are you?
Aries777777 says:
so why would i kill a fellow townie?


I used an emotion between these two that signified 'yes' before anyone picks it out and kills it....

[White_eyes:D]

One thing about your Role PM that bugs me.....why is there no greetings by Reenk Roink???:inquisitive:
It's like you cut something he was explaining to you off of it.....:inquisitive:


Hello White_eyes:D, thanks for playing


Quote:
Your mother reminds me of the most just socio-economic ideal: every worker gets a share!

Laborer inside joke It just starts with a quote....no, "hello Ares":shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ares, please edit out any ad hominems. I get flustered too, just trying to spare you warning points.

:bow:


edit: and yes, he's telling the truth bout the emoticon, but it shouldnt matter.

edit 2: below, Yoyoma: Good theory.

[Yoyoma1910]

Here's a thought:


pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

One thing about your Role PM that bugs me.....why is there no greetings by Reenk Roink???:inquisitive:
It's like you cut something he was explaining to you off of it.....:inquisitive:

I think you nailed him there :bow:

My role pm contains a greeting. It looks like ares's pm had a greeting, then his mafia role pm, then a fake townie pm. He quoted the fake townie pm but not the greeting :yes:

[TinCow]

pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

pevergreen kept talking about the onion because he was in character. He's playing a doddering old man. Several of his quotes were taken directly from Grandpa Simpson. That's why I replied with my comment about wolves, it was also a reference to Grandpa Simpson. This is the quote from The Simpsons:


We can’t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell ‘em stories that don’t go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say.
Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

[White_eyes:D]

Here's a thought:


pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

Wow.....Respect for Yoyoma up by +1....:2thumbsup: that sounds about right....its the smoking gun right there.....but pevergreen can confirm that, right? it is not a rule breaking thing??:book:

[Thermal]

One thing about your Role PM that bugs me.....why is there no greetings by Reenk Roink???:inquisitive:
It's like you cut something he was explaining to you off of it.....:inquisitive:


It just starts with a quote....no, "hello Ares":shrug:

it does but i didnt class it as part of the pm



Hello 777Ares777, thanks for playing :bow:

was my initial greeting from him

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think you nailed him there :bow:

My role pm contains a greeting. It looks like ares's pm had a greeting, then his mafia role pm, then a fake townie pm. He quoted the fake townie pm but not the greeting :yes:

Confirmation bias, Sasaki. I still have my doubts.

[TinCow]

pevergreen can confirm that, right? it is not a rule breaking thing??:book:

This is accurate. Post-mortem reveals are allowed in this game. It should be a simple matter for pevergreen to tell us whether he had a power that would reveal his killer.

[Thermal]

Here's a thought:


pever's character had a magic rock, which would expose the one who killed him. His "Onion" he kept talking about.

good theory :no:

[Yoyoma1910]

good theory :no:

Well, if pever reveals this to be the truth, then we know for sure.

[White_eyes:D]

it does but i didnt class it as part of the pm

Hello 777Ares777, thanks for playing :bow:

was my initial greeting from him
That is a pretty BIG over site.....ATPG can you confirm if Reenk greeted you in your PM or not??:book:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

A townie that reveals his killer would be extremely unlikely if you ask me. To powerful a role.


Confirmation bias, Sasaki. I still have my doubts.

I did fall victim to confirmation bias with my last post...the leaving off the greeting is unlikely as a townie but not proof of guilt. However, it is one more stick on the fire.

I also wouldn't mind seeing FactionHeirs defense of that post of his.

[Thermal]

That is a pretty BIG over site.....ATPG can you confirm if Reenk greeted you in your PM or not??:book:

well mine had a :bow: symbol, you didn't

[White_eyes:D]

well mine had a :bow: symbol, you didn't

:inquisitive:Reenk ALWAYS :bow: when he greets.....you could have just looked at the top half you cut off.....:inquisitive: mine was just copy and paste with none of the emoticon's to make it look LIKE it was forged:shrug:

[shlin28]

:dizzy2:

If anyone want to know, RR wrote "Hello shlin28, thanks for playing :bow:"

Just thought you guys should know...

Er...

*backs away from the confrontation*

(I'm just really confused by these 3 pages that came out of nowhere, doing rereading now)

[White_eyes:D]

:dizzy2:

If anyone want to know, RR wrote "Hello shlin28, thanks for playing :bow:"

Just thought you guys should know...

Er...

*backs away from the confrontation*

(I'm just really confused by these 3 pages that came out of nowhere, doing rereading now)

Same as me.....only Ares was missing his at the start.....WHEN it was a full role PM from Reenk:inquisitive:

[Thermal]

:dizzy2:

If anyone want to know, RR wrote "Hello shlin28, thanks for playing :bow:"

Just thought you guys should know...

Er...

*backs away from the confrontation*

(I'm just really confused by these 3 pages that came out of nowhere, doing rereading now)

you'll probably want to keep your vote where you first voted :wink:

[shlin28]

Got something. My role PM is formatted like this: So the story goes of you, the loyal soldier of the priest king Reenk Roink.

But Ares' PM is in the standard Org font... suspcious?

[Thermal]

:inquisitive:Reenk ALWAYS :bow: when he greets.....you could have just looked at the top half you cut off.....:inquisitive: mine was just copy and paste with none of the emoticon's to make it look LIKE it was forged:shrug:

everyone had the same greeting, i would think that includes mafia too, stop making a big deal over it. :laugh4:



@ shlin

I copied and pasted, like wise to what white eyes did, i didnt bother altering fonts

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not really, he could have just not gone into the formatting to get the full PM (by pressing quote or forward) and could have just quoted the PM itself and put in the second quote tag manually.

[White_eyes:D]

Got something. My role PM is formatted like this: So the story goes of you, the loyal soldier of the priest king Reenk Roink.

But Ares' PM is in the standard Org font... suspcious?

not really.....when I copy and pasted mine, it also removed the font:juggle2:
ok....a few things have Ares looking pretty guilty....guess I should list them
1) in the chat logs he lied to ATPG and didn't seem very much worried that he was being framed...
2) when he reveal his
full pm*check post 317* it didn't have the greeting in it....almost like he cut the first half off of it...AKA, a fake townie PM.
3) in the chat logs he lied about his duel score to ATPG.
4) He is not acting like he has been framed....he is acting like it could have been a simple mix-up, at a car dealership.(not the way he behaved in Dark Vacuum)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Got something. My role PM is formatted like this: So the story goes of you, the loyal soldier of the priest king Reenk Roink.

But Ares' PM is in the standard Org font... suspcious?

When you do a regular copy and paste it will go to standard org font.


everyone had the same greeting, i would think that includes mafia too, stop making a big deal over it.

The deal is that you said "full pm" and then didn't quote the full pm. It fits the pattern of you quoting from a fakeclaim. In a game where everyone gets a role pm, any mafioso who is under suspicion will be asked for their role pm. If the host doesn't provide one then they are up _____ creek, especially since many people don't have english as a first language. That's why I say the mafia have fakeclaims.


Eh? No matter what I do with my PM (quote it, copy and paste it, preview it, quote it again) it still retains the formatting

It depends whether you have that "a/A" thing selected, as I recall from Cosa nuova (?) some people have it selected by default or something.

[shlin28]

Eh? No matter what I do with my PM (quote it, copy and paste it, preview it, quote it again) it still retains the formatting. :book:

[Yoyoma1910]

I also wouldn't mind seeing FactionHeirs defense of that post of his.


Agreed.

[Thermal]

When you do a regular copy and paste it will go to standard org font.



The deal is that you said "full pm" and then didn't quote the full pm. It fits the pattern of you quoting from a fakeclaim. In a game where everyone gets a role pm, any mafioso who is under suspicion will be asked for their role pm. If the host doesn't provide one then they are up _____ creek, especially since many people don't have english as a first language. That's why I say the mafia have fakeclaims.

I also missed my quote off initially, i didnt copy the whole top of my pm, or are you saying my quote is forged as well?

[shlin28]

Ignore my point about formatting, it could just be the host sending out PMs in batches so different batches have different formattings.

[Sigurd]

Having hosted two games where I have handed the Mafia cover roles, I suspect RR did the same in this one.
Why? because basically nothing is illegal in this game short of screen shots.
BUT, I suspect a lot of the information we receive by PM or reveals will be bogus or misleading, even though its messengers might not know it is.

Questions:


Did the usurpers plant a magic stone on pevergreen to frame Ares?
Did the usurper Ares make a grave mistake by killing pevergreen?
Is this a plot by the good men to get rid of us (the men)?
Are all good men usurpers?


There is a gamble in either believing the night result or to consider it a fabrication.

The coin says vote: Ares

[Yoyoma1910]

Having hosted two games where I have handed the Mafia cover roles, I suspect RR did the same in this one.
Why? because basically nothing is illegal in this game short of screen shots.
BUT, I suspect a lot of the information we receive by PM or reveals will be bogus or misleading, even though its messengers might not know it is.

Questions:


Did the usurpers plant a magic stone on pevergreen to frame Ares?
Did the usurper Ares make a grave mistake by killing pevergreen?
Is this a plot by the good men to get rid of us (the men)?
Are all good men usurpers?


There is a gamble in either believing the night result or to consider it a fabrication.

The coin says vote: Ares

One of the good men were also murdered.

[Thermal]

If you want questions answered just list them and I'll reply :balloon2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did the usurpers plant a magic stone on pevergreen to frame Ares?

This would be a logical explanation, but if I were mafia and had that ability, I wouldn't waste it on round one...even if I could do it every round I would probably just use it in the endgame.

[TheFlax]

Are all good men usurpers?



I don't think so. I was a good man and the kill writeup stated my role, which was scribe. (No abilities and battle rating of 1)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Are all good men usurpers?

That would be extremely unbalanced. Considering voting power, the usurpers could theoretically win on Day 1. Frankly, I'm surprised that this didn't occur to you. :inquisitive:

[Yoyoma1910]

I don't think so. I was a good man and the kill writeup stated my role, which was scribe. (No abilities and battle rating of 1)

Well there you have it. We're really just a bunch of sissies. Except the soldiers, I bet those guys are big as oxes.

[shlin28]

Me big, me smash puny farmers.

:clown:

[TinCow]

I think the discussion about whether Ares' role PM was fake or not is pointless. All this talk about the presence or lack of an introduction line is a waste of time. If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery. It mimics Reenk's writing style perfectly, and is laced with just the proper amount of humor throughout. No one would make that good of a forgery and then not put in the standard greeting line that we ALL got. It is far more likely that Ares is telling the truth and didn't post it at first because he didn't think it was actually part of the role. This is consistent with him not posting the joke earlier as well. As for the formating, I've seen that happen many times with real role PMs. It happens when people simply highlight and copy what they see in their PM box instead of hitting reply and using the formated text inside the reply box. The better point of discussion is whether the current situation seems like a frame attempt or whether it seems like a legitimate reveal of a mafioso.

[TinCow]

Also...

Vote: FactionHeir

I agree with Sasaki and GH that his reply raised an eyebrow. This line in particular seems like a typical mafioso attempt to participate in discussion and analysis without actually saying anything:


Any thoughts about the first kill btw? Seemed to be a smoker or somesuch.

[Sigurd]

That would be extremely unbalanced. Considering voting power, the usurpers could theoretically win on Day 1. Frankly, I'm surprised that this didn't occur to you. :inquisitive:
The last two questions were tongue in cheek and part of my role playing.

[seireikhaan]

I shall Vote: TinCow, as his behavior seems off
And if thee are innocent, my hat I shall doff.

[Thermal]

I shall Vote: TinCow, as his behavior seems off
And if thee are innocent, my hat I shall doff.

I wish I had your role, it sounds cool :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

I shall Vote: TinCow, as his behavior seems off
And if thee are innocent, my hat I shall doff.

True.....he is defending Ares, quite a bit....:inquisitive: FoS:TinCow

[GeneralHankerchief]

As am I. But the thing is that our defenses are logical. :smash:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think the discussion about whether Ares' role PM was fake or not is pointless. All this talk about the presence or lack of an introduction line is a waste of time. If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery. It mimics Reenk's writing style perfectly, and is laced with just the proper amount of humor throughout. No one would make that good of a forgery and then not put in the standard greeting line that we ALL got. It is far more likely that Ares is telling the truth and didn't post it at first because he didn't think it was actually part of the role. This is consistent with him not posting the joke earlier as well. As for the formating, I've seen that happen many times with real role PMs. It happens when people simply highlight and copy what they see in their PM box instead of hitting reply and using the formated text inside the reply box. The better point of discussion is whether the current situation seems like a frame attempt or whether it seems like a legitimate reveal of a mafioso.

This isn't like you (as townie)--you generally read more carefully. You are striking at straw men and ignoring what has been said. The claim isn't that the pm is a forgery.

[TinCow]

This isn't like you (as townie)--you generally read more carefully. You are striking at straw men and ignoring what has been said. The claim isn't that the pm is a forgery.

shlin and W_E took up several posts discussing the formating of Ares' role PM and the intro line. They were the target of my response.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

shlin and W_E took up several posts discussing the formating of Ares' role PM and the intro line. They were the target of my response.

Hence my comment about strawmen. It's not townie to reply to the less important arguments and ignore the major ones.

Reenk almost certainly provided the mafia with fakeclaims. I went over the reasons why. This means that he wrote the townie pm that ares posted, i.e. it is not a forgery. When W_E's pointed out the lack of greeting I theorized that ares's pm had the greeting, then the mafia pm, and then the townie pm. This is only convincing in a confirmation bias way as GH pointed out, but it is still something worth noting.

So why would you insist that aren's pm couldn't be a forgery and spend time attacking the formatting theory which had already been debunked by four other people? You are being selective in which arguments you reply to.

The point of the discussing the role pm is that at best, it does nothing to show his innocence. That leads you back to your claim that there can't possibly be a watcher role in this game. There isn't any basis for that claim.

Here's how it is:

Scenario A-1: There is a watcher role--it caught ares--we lynch ares--we lynch mafia
Scenario A-2: Ares is being framed--Ares is innocent--we lynch ares--we lynch a townie
Scenario A-3: Ares is being framed--Ares is still guilty--we lynch ares--we lynch a SK/what have you


Scenario B-1: There is a watcher role--it caught ares--we let ares live--ares is mafia--we lose
Scenario B-2: There is a watcher role--it caught ares--we let ares live--the watcher role is forced to reveal and dies the next night.
Scenario B-3: Ares is being framed--Ares is innocent----we let ares live--we lynch some other townie (95%)
Scenario B-4: Ares is being framed--Ares is still guilty--we let ares live--we lynch a townie instead of a SK/what have you (95%)


By not lynching Ares we would have everything to lose and very little to gain. Unless you have some compelling case you want to make against someone? Don't let your desire to not be fooled by a frame job dissuade you from making the right choice. It's the correct decision with the information at hand.

[Lord Winter]

On the Ares lynch:

pros:
WIFOM goes away
avoid lynching a valuable pro town role. Ares is just a builder and thus expandable.
Potential mafia lynch

cons:
Framing possibilities
Waste of a lynch/stifles conversation.

The PM analysis is useless like so many others have said. However, Areses responses seem out of character and inconsistent. For that alone he would make a good lynch. The writeup incrimination is just an added bonus.

Vote: Ares

[pevergreen]

Having hosted two games where I have handed the Mafia cover roles, I suspect RR did the same in this one.
Why? because basically nothing is illegal in this game short of screen shots.
BUT, I suspect a lot of the information we receive by PM or reveals will be bogus or misleading, even though its messengers might not know it is.

Questions:


Did the usurpers plant a magic stone on pevergreen to frame Ares?
Did the usurper Ares make a grave mistake by killing pevergreen?
Is this a plot by the good men to get rid of us (the men)?
Are all good men usurpers?


There is a gamble in either believing the night result or to consider it a fabrication.

The coin says vote: Ares

No.
Yes.
Maybe.
I have no idea.

I've skipped about 20 posts. I shall continue to follow this game however.

Who was I? I was a secret role. I had no abilities, save things that may pop up.

I may reveal my role, just no direct quotes, according to the PM from reenk.

I am the village idiot! I ask lots of questions and annoy people a lot. They try to kill me before the god Pisuf takes me away and puts me somewhere else, thus continuing the cycle. This time, Pisuf got his powers taken away by the other gods, so being his chosen one doesnt help anymore (He considered me the greatest human alive)

My battle rating was 1, my victory was outlasting the usurpers.

I was given a cover role, that of a Farmer.

If there are other farmers, when/if they reveal I can verify the PM.

In the PM which Reenk told me I was dead, he said that at least my special ability came into play.

[Thermal]

I believe the reason Tincow and Sasaki are clashing is because you both have complete different assumptions of the write up, Sasaki takes it the straight forward, perhaps logical way, Tincow believes it is set up and at this stage has every reason to believe so, however I think your both acting normally IMHO.

If Pevergreen comes here and says the person who kills him is revealed then The result is still unclear as we don't know if we can someone editing the write up, with Pever's personality I'm doubt his role pm would be that straight forward either, I'm not taking anything for granted on this one, but I owuld mention this wouldn't I? It's my life on the line afterall.

Now back with roleplaying


Please don't kill me, I love you all too much! Let God take me instead, yes yes happy thoughts happy thoughts....



edit: hmmmm, ok posted too late...urrrrr

[Thermal]

Ok im packing my bags before someone puts a knife through my heart

[Captain Blackadder]

VOTE ARES

Whilst I am a simple humble man who wishes that we could all live in peace with each other this evidence againest Ares is too much for anyone to ignore fairwell my brother. May you find the peace in death that you failed to find in life.

Now that this is over let us pause for a minute silence in mermoriom of our dearly deperated scribe and idiot.

[TinCow]

Hence my comment about strawmen. It's not townie to reply to the less important arguments and ignore the major ones.

Are you serious? *I* have been ignoring major arguments? I was the first person who had the guts to stick his neck out for Ares when he was about to be bandwagoned into an insta-lynch. I've been providing a good deal of arguments for my position this entire day phase. Simply making one post which concentrates on a lesser issue doesn't change the fact that I've been arguing heavily this entire time.


The point of the discussing the role pm is that at best, it does nothing to show his innocence. That leads you back to your claim that there can't possibly be a watcher role in this game.

WHOA. WHOA. WHOA.

I claimed "there can't possibly be a watcher role in this game"? You accuse me about going after a straw man, and then you just fabricate a statement? What I said was that a watcher role would presumably only get the information in a night result PM and would have to disclose it just like any other detective. I never said that there wasn't a watcher in this game, just that the stone which showed Ares did not seem like it was the result of a watcher.

Now who isn't reading carefully? :inquisitive:


By not lynching Ares we would have everything to lose and very little to gain. Unless you have some compelling case you want to make against someone? Don't let your desire to not be fooled by a frame job dissuade you from making the right choice. It's the correct decision with the information at hand.

I am waiting to here what pevergreen has to say before I decide on Ares. Ares already has more than enough votes to get him lynched, so my vote doesn't make a difference. I'm keeping it on FH for the time being in the hopes that it will encourage him to speak more.

[Beefy187]

This may be the record of day 1 discussion:laugh4:

I'll pick the easy way by following the bandwagon. The evidence points straight at Ares that it even creates a WIFOM situation.

Vote: Ares

Rather then thinking too much about it and letting him go, I say we lynch him away as we have nothing ales to go on with. Aside from FHs post.

btw I believe "The Watcher" refers to Reenk from his role in Fillet Royale.

[Captain Blackadder]

I am waiting to here what pevergreen has to say before I decide on Ares. Ares already has more than enough votes to get him lynched, so my vote doesn't make a difference. I'm keeping it on FH for the time being in the hopes that it will encourage him to speak more.

pevergreen has already spoken on the issue he was the village idiot and in his death P.M Reenk said this

n the PM which Reenk told me I was dead, he said that at least my special ability came into play

[Thermal]

I am waiting to here what pevergreen has to say before I decide on Ares. Ares already has more than enough votes to get him lynched, so my vote doesn't make a difference. I'm keeping it on FH for the time being in the hopes that it will encourage him to speak more.

OK then.....

glances at post 394#....

[TinCow]

OK then.....

glances at post 394#....

Sorry, got blinded by Sasaki's post and didn't even see that. Will comment later, going out for dinner now.

[White_eyes:D]

Sorry, got blinded by Sasaki's post and didn't even see that. Will comment later, going out for dinner now.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:Well, I guess defending Ares is pointless for you now.....:smash:

[FactionHeir]

I also wouldn't mind seeing FactionHeirs defense of that post of his.

What, about the me losing my dirt if I were to rise a rank or the comment about the second killer? :laugh4:

Considering that I actually said something about that there was more than 1 kill rather than others (such as GH) just voting without adding anything to the vote or yet some others who just vote and have a different one liner to go with it doesn't seem exactly scummy to me.

If you are talking about me not posting much, feel free to use Sigurd analysis on my post count across games and roles.

Vote me all you want if you think my vote on Ares is somehow framing me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I find TinCow's defense of Ares a little strange, but I do not feel strongly yet that he would be like a mafia partner. I seriously doubt the mafia would risk defending their partner this early, but I can't see how Ares could be innocent. Most plausible explanation so far that I have seen was that... stone thing? might have been planted there by the mafia to frame Ares. To me, TinCow does not have the scum vibe, otherwise this is an incredibly risky tactic.

It may be worth solving this mystery once and for all by investigating Ares, dead or alive. I do not want him to escape from death as mafia, nor do I want a frame job as good as this to screw with us all game.

We need to solve this conclusively before we can move on. In the meantime, we can look at FactionHeir, I haven't played many games with him but you other guys can read him better than me. Or anyone else you want to look at.

[CountArach]

Alright I shall Vote: Ares.

I'm not entirely sure about the evidence that it had in the night write-up - it seems just far too bizarre to be true. However, at the same time I don't believe Ares' reveal is legitimate - he left out the welcome message at the start, which indicates to me that he was deleting a PM beforehand.

A question to pever though - you say you were given a cover PM. Was this within the same PM, but written after it? If so it could help to verify Sasaki's idea in regards to Ares' PM ordering.

I am the village idiot! I ask lots of questions and annoy people a lot.
:laugh4: To be honest - I was going to use "These questions are annoying me" as an excuse for a random vote on you first round.

[Beefy187]

Good thing there was few players defending Ares. Otherwise there wouldn't be discussions but just pile of players voting him with short posts.

I say those who defended Ares did so because no one ales was. And I don't think thats scummy at all.

[Beefy187]

Alright I shall Vote: Ares.

I'm not entirely sure about the evidence that it had in the night write-up - it seems just far too bizarre to be true. However, at the same time I don't believe Ares' reveal is legitimate - he left out the welcome message at the start, which indicates to me that he was deleting a PM beforehand.

A question to pever though - you say you were given a cover PM. Was this within the same PM, but written after it? If so it could help to verify Sasaki's idea in regards to Ares' PM ordering.

:laugh4: To be honest - I was going to use "These questions are annoying me" as an excuse for a random vote on you first round.

Forgive me for double posting. But I too was given a cover pm and that was written within the same PM but written after.

[Thermal]

Forgive me for double posting. But I too was given a cover pm and that was written within the same PM but written after.

o really? care to share? :stare:

[White_eyes:D]

I think pevergreen cleared why this is not a frame job.:book:

Did the usurper Ares make a grave mistake by killing pevergreen?
to which pevergreen responded....
Yes.
it had something to do with him losing of course....:no: but at least it gave away who killed him:yes:

In the PM which Reenk told me I was dead, he said that at least my special ability came into play.

[FactionHeir]

I find TinCow's defense of Ares a little strange, but I do not feel strongly yet that he would be like a mafia partner. I seriously doubt the mafia would risk defending their partner this early, but I can't see how Ares could be innocent. Most plausible explanation so far that I have seen was that... stone thing? might have been planted there by the mafia to frame Ares. To me, TinCow does not have the scum vibe, otherwise this is an incredibly risky tactic.

It may be worth solving this mystery once and for all by investigating Ares, dead or alive. I do not want him to escape from death as mafia, nor do I want a frame job as good as this to screw with us all game.

We need to solve this conclusively before we can move on. In the meantime, we can look at FactionHeir, I haven't played many games with him but you other guys can read him better than me. Or anyone else you want to look at.

Feel free to.
You can claim it as WIFOM of course, but in games where I have no role, I am a lot less active than in games where I do, contrary to most other mafia players. As you can see, I am less active than general, maybe to hide that I'm scum, you know.
The second fact being that I sometimes like to drop hints about my role in the first post after roles are given out. I mentioned loving my dirt this time around. If you then look at WE's farmer role PM, you'll notice that it mentions having a lot of dirt. Since he already posted his role PM, posting my identical one could be again taken as WIFOM/Scummy behavior as I could just have copied his.

Ergo I am guilty :laugh4:

[Beefy187]

o really? care to share? :stare:

I rather not :sweatdrop:

[White_eyes:D]

I rather not :sweatdrop:

Looks like we might have our next lynch:whip:....(after Ares:skull:)

[CountArach]

I rather not :sweatdrop:
FoS: Beefy

[Beefy187]

FoS: Beefy

Why is having a cover role that suspecious?

I am hated by most of peoples here. I'm only doing what is necessary for my survival.

[Thermal]

OK time for confession ares.....





Hello 777Ares777, thanks for playing

Quote:
The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, and to rob them of their wealth and lives. Too see them bathed in blood and to and those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

The motto of Edgar
You are Edgar's Swordman

Background:

You were heir apparent to become priest king of a powerful city, but on his deathbed, your father decided that you would not succeed him due to your cruel and unjust nature. You killed your father because of this and thus did Edgar enter your life.

Edgar is the god of fighting. He is no friend of your people, but then again, you are not either.

Edgar offered you great power, much greater than you would have had as just a priest king. Edgar offered you to become the king of all the cities. The king of kings. The god of foreign peoples indeed piqued your thirst for power, and you decided to serve him.

He taught you well, Edgar did. He increased your power greatly and gave you many wondrous items. He stripped all compassion, conscience, and remorse from you and filled them with anger, arrogance, and an illusion of strength.

Now it is the time to act. Edgar has decided that everyone in the settlement requires a lesson in pain. You must first kill everything in the settlement. Edgar demands it; he gains power from it.

Battle Rating:

0 - Before devoting yourself to Edgar you were a warrior of legendary power. Now that you are in the his service, you have truly become a vessel of illusion. You are indeed the most powerful human in the world. Yet you never show any of your power whilst dueling, doing so would make Reenk Roink jealous of your wondrous ability.


Abilities:

Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house and putting him to the sword.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast everyone (Personal victory)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Feel free to.
You can claim it as WIFOM of course, but in games where I have no role, I am a lot less active than in games where I do, contrary to most other mafia players. As you can see, I am less active than general, maybe to hide that I'm scum, you know.
The second fact being that I sometimes like to drop hints about my role in the first post after roles are given out. I mentioned loving my dirt this time around. If you then look at WE's farmer role PM, you'll notice that it mentions having a lot of dirt. Since he already posted his role PM, posting my identical one could be again taken as WIFOM/Scummy behavior as I could just have copied his.

Ergo I am guilty :laugh4:

Meh, FH I don't think you're guilty. But I liked the pressure town was putting on you. All this stuff on Ares might be a great thing, but the game isn't over and we need to question people besides him.

You're fine in my book. I didn't see anything out of the ordinary, TBH, but frankly, anytime the town decides to question someone I am allllllll for it.

edit: saw Ares' confession. Can't say I am surprised. Everything he said to me in private smelt of fish.

[Captain Blackadder]

OK time for confession ares.....





Hello 777Ares777, thanks for playing

Quote:
The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, and to rob them of their wealth and lives. Too see them bathed in blood and to and those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

The motto of Edgar
You are Edgar's Swordman

Background:

You were heir apparent to become priest king of a powerful city, but on his deathbed, your father decided that you would not succeed him due to your cruel and unjust nature. You killed your father because of this and thus did Edgar enter your life.

Edgar is the god of fighting. He is no friend of your people, but then again, you are not either.

Edgar offered you great power, much greater than you would have had as just a priest king. Edgar offered you to become the king of all the cities. The king of kings. The god of foreign peoples indeed piqued your thirst for power, and you decided to serve him.

He taught you well, Edgar did. He increased your power greatly and gave you many wondrous items. He stripped all compassion, conscience, and remorse from you and filled them with anger, arrogance, and an illusion of strength.

Now it is the time to act. Edgar has decided that everyone in the settlement requires a lesson in pain. You must first kill everything in the settlement. Edgar demands it; he gains power from it.

Battle Rating:

0 - Before devoting yourself to Edgar you were a warrior of legendary power. Now that you are in the his service, you have truly become a vessel of illusion. You are indeed the most powerful human in the world. Yet you never show any of your power whilst dueling, doing so would make Reenk Roink jealous of your wondrous ability.


Abilities:

Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house and putting him to the sword.

Victory Conditions:

Outlast everyone (Personal victory)


You really are unlucky as a serial killer first Blackadder and now this oh well here is hoping the lynching of you turns out better in this game then it did in Blackadder.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Um, okay...

But why would you confess? What is there to gain in it?

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Ares

There is zero reason why we need Ares around, now. A confession is a confession.

[seireikhaan]

Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.

[pevergreen]

I think thats definately his real PM.

Lynch the serial killer.

Poor Reenk...his beautiful game is being destroyed by us.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.

I like this, it reminds me of Kung Fu Mafia. :2thumbsup:


There is zero reason why we need Ares around, now. A confession is a confession.

Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The most interesting thing about that confession is the battle rating of 0 which ares did indeed slip up on. Goes back to what I was saying earlier about the duels being misleading--if ares had dueled you might think he was weaker than a farmer but in fact the opposite was true.


Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.

Why not share the information while it's in your power to do so? He must have known he was going to be lynched. The other possibility is that he tweaked the pm to make himself look like a serial killer when he was actually mafia. Pretty much all he would have to do I think is change "vode" to "Edgar" and delete his partner's name. I would have to reread the starting story to make sure of that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am looking at all the people who were VERY eager to jump on the Ares bandwagon.

Any mafia would love this. there's no reason not to jump on Ares. After all, he is guilty. Now, that's lazy mafia... not bothering to listen to defenses, discussions, or participate in any way but a mindless bandwagon on someone, even if they are guilty.

I'm joining that bandwagon now, because NOW there is no reason not to. But the eagerness to bandwagon is something I have a real problem with. It's lazy and it is a defensive form of play. The best defense is to make sure some poor schmuck gets lynched instead of you, and jump on any reasonable bandwagon.

:brood:

[Yoyoma1910]

Pizza, you joined the bandwagon like everyone else.


vote:ares

[seireikhaan]

This burgeoning debate between Sasaki and TinCow must not be allowed to distract.
Both have their points and have made mistakes.
We must keep our minds open and listen to reason and fact.
Upon further review of behavior, I feel neither are fakes.

[CountArach]

So does this mean the mafia only gets 1 kill per night phase?

Also khaan, those are poems are just brilliant!

[Yoyoma1910]

pever:


I think you might have been transferred into that stone. Would you mind if I wear you?

[Thermal]

This burgeoning debate between Sasaki and TinCow must not be allowed to distract.
Both have their points and have made mistakes.
We must keep our minds open and listen to reason and fact.
Upon further review of behavior, I feel neither are fakes.

wanna swap roles?

[Thermal]

I like this, it reminds me of Kung Fu Mafia. :2thumbsup:



Agreed, but I still fail to see the motive.

What can I say, I'm just a real honest person :juggle2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, you joined the bandwagon like everyone else.


vote:ares

I wanted discussion. I wanted a defense. I didn't buy it all at face value like... Sasaki Kojiro.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Finger of suspicion: Sasaki Kojiro.

I re-read everything, and everything you did in reaction to the writeup looks closed minded and eager to get someone lynched. And you were awfully eager to see that chat log. You wanted as much evidence as possible to put the nail in his coffin. You were dismissive of everyone who even bothered to point out it wasn't ironclad stuff. Turns out Ares is guilty, sure... but you didn't sound much like a townie to me when you reacted to the news that there was evidence he was guilty. You just ate it up.

Valid perhaps is your reluctance to have people send me information; but it also explains a lot if you're mafia. You don't want the masons to have more info, do you?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173413&postcount=337

Sasaki seems absolutely certain this writeup is all the proof in the world. But that kind of certainty should not exist from a townie. Even the other people who bandwagonned Ares wanted to hear his defense, and wanted to discuss it. You sound like you wanted to shut down the argument and the discussion; that's my impression anyway.

TinCow defended Ares, and TinCow was wrong. What mafia takes a gamble and defends basically a known criminal? I doubt TinCow is guilty, but I get that vibe from you Sasaki. Not just a vibe, but evidence that you have a single-minded purpose to destroy someone without having a discussion about it, and promoting a massive bandwagon.

Not fair-minded townie behavior.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173437&postcount=351

Sasaki seems to have a vendetta against Ares here. So eager to jump on ANYTHING that makes Ares seem guilty.

TinCow and GH both wanted to thoroughly discuss this one. That is sticking their necks out. Sasaki didn't bother.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173503&postcount=378

"If I were mafia" argument.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173644&postcount=398

Tincow makes good points against you, Sasaki.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173596&postcount=392

Seems to know fake roles are below the real ones, on the assumption we have 2, how would he know this?




I think we have a prime candidate for a night investigation. Sasaki, you're too good a player to be this single-minded about destroying someone. Seemed most everyone else was trying to think about it, in spite of the massive evidence. You bought and swallowed everything wholesale. I frown on that.

I'd like to hear your reaction to this.

[CountArach]

I wanted discussion. I wanted a defense. I didn't buy it all at face value like... Sasaki Kojiro.
Sasaki voted BEFORE the extra evidence about the role PMs, just based on being told in the write-up. There had been no other evidence suggested about any other person in this thread and as such I wouldn't call it bandwagoning to follow the only lead we might possibly have.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fair enough CountArach, I just want answers to my valid points above.

Not fair-minded townie play.

[Reenk Roink]

I've created a monster...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.



Hmm.

:inquisitive:

Didn't even bother reading the whole thing, just checked who was dead.

unvote: myself
vote: Ares

:shrug: I don't believe everything i read in the writeups, but this is convincing stuff.



~:handball:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.

Yeah, and a mafia never voted for a serial killer before.

Not much of a defense, Sasaki. You were too eager, that's the point.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seems to know fake roles are below the real ones, on the assumption we have 2, how would he know this?

Without being committal, this is actually a very good point. I'm pretty sure that in Capo II the people that had cover roles had their fakes first and then the real thing.

[Thermal]

You know, that argument is kind of weakened by the fact that I was completely right.



~:handball:

I think that was more luck over skill :juggle2:

@CA

Voting against me before finding out about my role pm/'s only shows sasaki's will to destroy me before i even defend myself

[White_eyes:D]

Fair enough CountArach, I just want answers to my valid points above.

Not fair-minded townie play.

I think he was also going with his "Gut feelings" for a first day lynch....:juggle2: he seemed to think there was a watcher role.....and he was sort of right..:shrug:pevergreen's ability got Ares....:book:
*tempted to bring up Godfather three:clown:*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Without being committal, this is actually a very good point. I'm pretty sure that in Capo II the people that had cover roles had their fakes first and then the real thing.

It's how I do it when I give out fake pm's...

[Thermal]

Not necessarily how others do, that assumption alone leads me to believe you have 2 role pm's yourself

[boudica]

Oi'm not votin' - Oim abstainin'.. courteously
But I better not keep tally, Oim not such a fancy scribe as Mr. Khaan and them others.

[naut]

:daisy:, everyone stop talking so much. 4 pages!

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio

[Thermal]

agreed, he just never shuts up

vote:gaius scribonius curio

[White_eyes:D]

Not necessarily how others do, that assumption alone leads me to believe you have 2 role pm's yourself

Beefy admitted he has two PM roles.....:inquisitive: could be over half of the players have fake PMs....ATPG you have one??:book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you are a townie, sasaki, I am listening. You know what to do.


Edit: @White_Eyes; apparently you had one role. I have one role. I am betting not everyone has dual roles... just peeps with powerful roles. Especially scummy ones.

[Thermal]

Beefy admitted he has two PM roles.....:inquisitive: could be over half of the players have fake PMs....ATPG you have one??:book:

Or it could mean beefy is guilty, a few players having extra roles (supposedly) doesnt account for the majority

[seireikhaan]

Goddamn, stop talking so much.

Vote: Gaius Scribonius Curio
Now that wasn't very nice, dear.
With that, shall we wipe the slate clear?

[CountArach]

agreed, he just never shuts up

vote:gaius scribonius curio
Desperate bandwagoning... another strike against you. As if we needed it...

[Thermal]

Desperate bandwagoning... another strike against you. As if we needed it...

HAHA! The tally mus be like

ares 9999999999999999999999999














...











gaius 2







I was trying to join in with psychonauts humor, your being so bland :yes:

[naut]

Now that wasn't very nice, dear.
With that, shall we wipe the slate clear?
Actually I was saying everyone was talking too much, my vote was entirely random.

[Thermal]

plus being a second voter isnt really bandwagonning and theres no reason why gaius should be anymore innocent than me, theoretically im neutral anyway

[seireikhaan]

Ares is most strange.
A jester, mayhap is he?
From Reenk, it could be.

[CountArach]

plus being a second voter isnt really bandwagonning and theres no reason why gaius should be anymore innocent than me, theoretically im neutral anyway
When you say "I agree" then vote, that is bandwagoning.

[Askthepizzaguy]

LOL CountArach... the nail is in that coffin already. Ares is dead.

[seireikhaan]

Actually I was saying everyone was talking too much, my vote was entirely random.
Yes, I realize your vote not not of total intent.
I was instead referring to your highly agitated tone.
However ill your mood may have been bent.
Ill will towards others is best never sown.

[CountArach]

LOL CountArach... the nail is in that coffin already. Ares is dead.
I know, I'm just trying to amuse myself on a lazy Saturday.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have to say, this has been a pretty amusing round already. What's next?

[naut]

Yes, I realize your vote not not of total intent.
I was instead referring to your highly agitated tone.
However ill your mood may have been bent.
Ill will towards others is best never sown.
I've edited it, since it can be misconstrued that way. Anyway, everyone have some pie and mash and we'll sing songs of merriment and eat and be hearty.

[seireikhaan]

I've edited it, since it can be misconstrued that way. Anyway, everyone have some pie and mash and we'll sing songs of merriment and eat and be hearty.
I guess that is fair.
I shall partake of much wine.
And sing out of tune.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm just not feeling it from Beefy187 either. But I'm sticking to one case at a time.

[seireikhaan]

I'm just not feeling it from Beefy187 either. But I'm sticking to one case at a time.
Like a house collapses against a hurricane's gale,
That, my dear friend, is precisely why you often fail.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You want me to post my case against Beefy?

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's Day 1. Wait longer to gather more data and see what you find then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok.

[seireikhaan]

You want me to post my case against Beefy?

On the contrary, my friend.
In secret it should be kept.
Keep it until we near end.
And hope we have not yet wept.

[CountArach]

On the contrary, my friend.
In secret it should be kept.
Keep it until we near end.
And hope we have not yet wept.
How do you manage!?

[seireikhaan]

How do you manage!?
If I may say, my studliness surpasses all.
I just wish I was as skilled with a True football.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You might claim to be an ultra-nerd, but I still say you could beat me six ways from sunday in real life, with your bare hands. I'm the only true nerd here.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Okay, that was one long catch-up session. It's fortunate that patient I am.

Vote: Ares

Why? Welp, write-up evidence, role reveal innacuracies, confession reveal. "nough said."

Who to look at next? It's always the quiet ones who outwait the patient ones -- 'less you flush them out of the bocage. FH, Beefy, Pscyho...all keeping it short and sweet with little sense of their role.

Course, that may just be me doing too much thinkin'. Still, get 'em out in the open says I -- can't see the wolves unless they're in the open.

[TinCow]

Unvote: FactionHeir
Vote: Ares

I don't understand the strategy behind the SK reveal, but I won't refuse a gift when offered one.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Challenge:Askthepizzaguy

[Askthepizzaguy]

You got it, pal. After that defense, or lack thereof, I'll take a shot at you.

Challenge Accepted.

[taka]

hm....

im a little concerned about Ares' ACTUAL role.

He's been quite inconsistent with his reveals and such, and well, here's what i've come to decide:

His Latest role reveal is fake or AT LEAST tweaked. here's the reason:


Before the man could offer his final thoughts, a large figure, clad in well crafted armor that was dark as obsidian approached. The man turned his attention to the armored figure and cheerfully greeted him: "Hiya!"

The armored figure responded in a cool, deep tone: "What is your name?" What a critical error this warrior of Vode committed as the man opened his mouth...

and compare to this:


You are Edgar's Swordman

Background:

You were heir apparent to become priest king of a powerful city, but on his deathbed, your father decided that you would not succeed him due to your cruel and unjust nature. You killed your father because of this and thus did Edgar enter your life.

Edgar is the god of fighting. He is no friend of your people, but then again, you are not either.


notice the the different God's?

second pointer:


0 - Before devoting yourself to Edgar you were a warrior of legendary power. Now that you are in the his service, you have truly become a vessel of illusion. You are indeed the most powerful human in the world. Yet you never show any of your power whilst dueling, doing so would make Reenk Roink jealous of your wondrous ability.

Why would a God of Fighting not want to fight? it just doesnt make sense

Another point on this is that i thought Reenk was a priest? priest's dont like strength, they like magic and stuff like that ( i assume)

Ares also doesnt make much of a defence for himself - almost wanted to be lynched.

This can only lead me to believe that if we lynch him, it might release some special power or something.

the best i recommend we do is that someone who is REALLY Strong (pref with max fighting skills) to challenge him and kill him that way, or if we have a vig or something, to murder him.

im really tempted to lynch him too, but im going to:

Vote: Abstain

just incase he really is hiding more things

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are Vode and Edgar both gods? Or is Vode a place?

Nevermind, read the opening story.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hm....

im a little concerned about Ares' ACTUAL role.

He's been quite inconsistent with his reveals and such, and well, here's what i've come to decide:

His Latest role reveal is fake or AT LEAST tweaked. here's the reason:



and compare to this:



notice the the different God's?



This is a good point. In the kill he is at least pretending to be a killer of Vode. As I said earlier it would have been easy to switch "vode" to "edgar". Reasons to pretend to be a SK would be:

1) just for fun
2) Because he felt his partner had revealed himself somehow
3) Because he wanted us to think that his partner had revealed himself somehow

[taka]

Are Vode and Edgar both gods? Or is Vode a place?

Vode is the Evil god of war or something

I've not heard of Edgar before


This is a good point. In the kill he is at least pretending to be a killer of Vode. As I said earlier it would have been easy to switch "vode" to "edgar". Reasons to pretend to be a SK would be:

1) just for fun
2) Because he felt his partner had revealed himself somehow
3) Because he wanted us to think that his partner had revealed himself somehow

2 and 3 are good points but wifom

i do think he's trying to protect his mafia partner, but what im more concerned is what would happen if we lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just did a search of the thread using the search function ctrl+f, I didn't see Edgar... checking again.

edit:
No Edgar. (unless it's hidden in spoilers somewhere, or my browser doesn't work.)

[TinCow]

Very good spot taka. I agree with the others that this appears to be a mafioso. Actually, it appears to be the unluckiest mafioso imaginable. Killing a person on the very first night whose death would reveal you as the killer... what are the odds of that?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

2 and 3 are good points but wifom

i do think he's trying to protect his mafia partner, but what im more concerned is what would happen if we lynch him.

Well, what would happen if we duel him? Maybe he'd gain a secret power then? I don't think Ares has tried to get lynched today despite his confession.

btw, TinCow, you are awfully high on my suspicion list after defending Ares that heavily...not something that can be dismissed imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very good spot taka. I agree with the others that this appears to be a mafioso. Actually, it appears to be the unluckiest mafioso imaginable. Killing a person on the very first night whose death would reveal you as the killer... what are the odds of that?

I actually rather like the odds of lynching the sole mafia on the first round, basically by accident.

Ah... Capitalist Commie, you will forever be added to the lexicon as shorthand for "One-turn townie victory."

[taka]

Very good spot taka. I agree with the others that this appears to be a mafioso. Actually, it appears to be the unluckiest mafioso imaginable. Killing a person on the very first night whose death would reveal you as the killer... what are the odds of that?

its happened before - as Pizza said


Well, what would happen if we duel him? Maybe he'd gain a secret power then? I don't think Ares has tried to get lynched today despite his confession.

btw, TinCow, you are awfully high on my suspicion list after defending Ares that heavily...not something that can be dismissed imo.

im not sure about whether to duel him or not... as what you said could well be valid. however this COULD potentially make him over powered, so i highly doubt something like that would happen in this game



btw: how do you spoiler things?

[Askthepizzaguy]

When you make a post, look above the box where you type in the text.

The far left, there is a B for Bold. But notice, on the right, next to the "strike-thru" button, there is another B? It's not for Bolding.

That is the spoiler tag button. when you push it, it adds [SPOIL ] And [/SPOIL ] without the spaces, and those are spoiler tags. They surround whatever you want hidden under a button.

[taka]

When you make a post, look above the box where you type in the text.

The far left, there is a B for Bold. But notice, on the right, next to the "strike-thru" button, there is another B? It's not for Bolding.

That is the spoiler tag button. when you push it, it adds [SPOIL ] And [/SPOIL ] without the spaces, and those are spoiler tags. They surround whatever you want hidden under a button.

:laugh4:

thanks

[pevergreen]

Just a side note, to demonstrate code on forums, you can go

for example:

[taka]

yar, i kinda knew u can use codes, but i didnt know the one for spoiler

thanks aswell :)

[Lord Winter]

@ The case on Tincow. I don't get the accusations towards him. Townies defend maifa all the time, look at GF3 with Reenk and Beefy, it happens. Furthermore Tincow's defense has been in character and does nothing to raise my suspicions.

@Beefys two PM's: My guess is he's a pro town role, after all a mafioso would want to stay as much out of the public spotlight as possible. For now it would be best for the town to not demand the PM.

@ Ares: Welcome to the club of one turn mafia runs. Now you know what I felt like in capitalist commi. ~:cheers:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Very good spot by Taka. From the original story Vode was the God of War and Foreign Peoples I believe. I'm almost certain that he is the Deity of choice for the Mafiosi.

In light of this, and considering that Ares has confessed I shall Vote: Ares.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's come to my attention that I need to do this in the proper format: Accept: Sasaki Kojiro
(challenge accepted)

And blah-de-blah-de-blah, in spoilers.
I still find your leap on 777Ares777 to be just a bit too single-minded, uncompromising, and enthusiastic to be genuinely townie behavior. Seemed as though you wouldn't even entertain the suggestion that it could have been some kind of frame job. Whether he ended up being guilty or not is beside the point. Any mafia, I think, would react with great enthusiasm to the idea of hard evidence against anyone but themselves, and not even begin to think critically about the idea that it could be wrong. Either that, or they might quietly bandwagon without much discussion. I get more of a townie vibe from anyone who questioned or was resistant to just nodding and saying "ok" to what we were told.

As it stands, it's even been suggested that Ares may in fact not be a serial killer, but a mafioso. Another unlikely possibility; he could have a suicide role like an actor. While I agree that the most likely circumstance is that he's scum, be it serial killer or murderer, I believe it's not genuinely townie behavior to just readily accept it without much thought. Secondly, I find it very odd that given my exposure as a mason or claimed mason, and my pathetically low duel rating, you would be so keen on killing me in a duel. I have nothing to lose, so I accepted. I already think you're scum, and if for some reason I was able to best you in battle, then w00t, go me. I think we already had this discussion about pointless duels, and I think your duel with me is pointless, and possibly scummy. This will eliminate me as a suspect when I die, because a mafia with a low duel rating willingly getting killed in battle makes no sense. If I manage to kill you somehow, then I will have eliminated a potentially scummy person who was just a little bit too eager to give the Ares writeup your complete and unwavering faith, and my exposure as a mason nearly no credibility whatsoever.

What are you Sasaki? Are you a skeptic, or a believer? Do you automatically assume things must be true, or do you assume things must be false, or do you consider things with an open mind? You believed with absolute conviction Ares was guilty, well before allowing him to present his defense (and well before allowing him to further incriminate himself), yet you disbelieved with absolute conviction the possibility that I was a mason and therefore trustworthy. Total belief, and total disbelief, and in both cases, you offered no benefit of the doubt to the opposing viewpoint.

If it weren't such an absolutist statement, I'd quote that line from Star Wars regarding the Sith, and how only a Sith deals in absolutes. Before discussion, before evidence, before the court of public opinion, before an open mind could weigh the facts, you decided. Do you possess greater knowledge than the rest of us regarding the nature of the game? Do you possess greater confidence in your knowledge than we do? And if you are a townie, why are you so hell-bent on killing a mason without even the opportunity for an investigation? These thoughts and more run through my mind when I read all your posts leading up to your challenging me. As such, it didn't take a moment's hesitation for me to make a summary judgment against you, Sasaki: One of us has to go. We can afford to get rid of you, because as some have observed about me, you will contribute post-mortem, and we already got one of them scumbags this round. And we can afford to lose me, as I already volunteered to die any place, any time, and I prefer not to waste a lynch or an investigation on my weak, useless, exposed mason self if I can easily be murdered in battle.

Some may disagree with my suicide methods, but you need to eliminate suspects, and I see this as a very convenient way of eliminating at least one top suspect for the town. Should I win the day, I will use this as a rallying cry against pointless duels once again. Should I fail, I've wasted none of the town's resources in proving myself.

Don't for a moment think that I've made this personal or about me; it's about the team doing better with either or both of us cleared as suspects, and we can afford to figure this out, with the wonderful gift the "gods" have bestowed upon us last night with Ares' being exposed and later confessing.

This battle was inevitable from the beginning. Two men enter... one man leaves.

En garde, Sasaki Kojiro, and good luck.

:duel:

[Andres]

Busy week-end. Read the write-up of last night and I know enough.

Vote : 777Ares777

The next 8 pages will have to wait until tomorrow :sweatdrop:

[Yoyoma1910]

HOS: Pizza.


How do you not know what a mason is? You've included versions of them in your games, such as the Simpsons family.

Why do you want to start going after everyone who might have a special role, especially when Ares was pushing this agenda?

Why do you want to know everyone's role?


Pizza, you're my friend, but I don't trust you in this game. Far far more than I don't trust some of the people you are trying to push town towards.

[Thermal]

Well, what would happen if we duel him?

WHY NOT FIND OUT?

[_Tristan_]

Vote : Abstain

Although there is enough evidence to the culpability of Ares in that murder, I fear that his "real" PM reveal might just be a way to get himself lynched, either gaining power for himself or for his partner through "sacrifice"...

So I won't be part of this lynch... There are enough votes towards that already.

[seireikhaan]

Another thing of which we should take note.
In Ares' reveal, a misspell is evident
In the first line of what he claims to quote.
Of falsehood I believe this line of thought is lent.

[seireikhaan]

I believe distraction was what Ares hoped to provide
And so in cover a teammate would be allowed to bide

[_Tristan_]

That also is what I was thinking...

We've spent pages and pages of posts discussing Ares' guilt (which was already proven by the write-up, if you wish to give it credit) while a second murder hasn't even been discussed yet...

So the probability of Ares providing cover for a second murderr looms ever bigger the more consideration I give that line of thought...

But with so many men of low extraction in the process, I should have known that such things would have been overlooked...

[seireikhaan]

Ares is online
He won't refute my statement
This is intriguing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

En garde, Sasaki Kojiro, and good luck.

:duel:

Cool...I lied about our duel scores being equal btw...

though I suppose it's still a toss up since we don't how the system works. Does a 3 beat a 2? We shall see...

edit:


Too see them bathed in blood and to and those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Khaan is right, it looks like there was something cut out there.