The Settlement [Concluded]

[Yoyoma1910]

though I suppose it's still a toss up since we don't how the system works. Does a 3 beat a 2? We shall see...

edit:



Khaan is right, it looks like there was something cut out there.

A) 3 will beat a 2.


B) The constant and continued inconsistencies in Ares reveals have been well noted throughout the day. For instance, the god he lists. It is likely he adjusted his information around to confuse the situation, and make best of his cornering.

[seireikhaan]

Dear lord, we have not yet lynched a single person
With five hundred posts, I hope it does not worsen.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Which means we need to look at who bought the "confession" hook, line, and sinker:


You really are unlucky as a serial killer first Blackadder and now this oh well here is hoping the lynching of you turns out better in this game then it did in Blackadder.

Although if Ares was covering for him, I think Blackadder's reaction would have been a bit different.


unvote: Askthepizzaguy
vote: Ares

There is zero reason why we need Ares around, now. A confession is a confession.

Interesting that ATPG has also claimed mason... with a partner.


I think thats definately his real PM.

Lynch the serial killer.

Poor Reenk...his beautiful game is being destroyed by us.

Note the emphasis on reminding everybody that Ares is without a partner.

And also note Ares's explanation to my post questioning the motive:


What can I say, I'm just a real honest person :juggle2:

-edit- I think I need to start preparing my eulogy for Godfather 3's post count record.

-edit2- Keep in mind that nobody's questioning Ares's guilt and that he should probably die this round. It's the nature of his guilt (serial killer or another mafia faction?) that's in question. I, for one, am keeping my vote on FH.

-edit3- Wait, scratch the pevergreen bit. I completely forgot he was dead. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, fellows, when this game is over, I'm just going to chuckle at you.

Did it seriously never occur to you that I am a mason? Especially after that entirely NON fabricated interchange I had with White_Eyes which exposed me against my will, and my dealings with Ares trying to get to the bottom of his shenanigans?

I will have you know something else. I found someone on round one. I can't tell you who, because he is a pro-town. He knows precisely who he is, and he also knows, I am protecting him.

In spite of Sasaki LYING to me about his duel strength, I'm not backing down. You fellows will just have to find out the hard way that I am a Mason.

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

No matter what you believe at this point, I WILL prove to you my pro-town alignment. Then perhaps some of you will give me the time of day, a round too late.

:laugh4:

[_Tristan_]

Seeing that we have had one death among the Good Men (sobs loudly) and one among the Men (snorts as loudly), I think it would be safe to surmise that the usurpers may very well be spread among the classes...

So we may have to find who among the Good Men is most likely to be an usurper and who among the Men is...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would be an awfully easy task, if someone would just trust me, as I am headed straight towards my own doom with a happy, happy grin on my face.

Even if I were somehow a mafia, I'm giving you a big fat gift, fellows. Humor me, I deserve that much.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Does no one even care that Sasaki pulled a fast one and lied to me about his duel strength?

:no:


How do you not know what a mason is? You've included versions of them in your games, such as the Simpsons family.

Why do you think I don't know what a mason is? Did you read the exchange I had with White_Eyes? HE didn't know, I was the one who educated him about it. Boy, some people write me off as guilty or unaware, and they didn't take the time to read something that would immediately disprove that.


Why do you want to start going after everyone who might have a special role, especially when Ares was pushing this agenda?

Special role, NO. Fake role PM, YES. For really, really obvious reasons, too.


Why do you want to know everyone's role?

Because, as an innocent mason about to DIE, my partner has asked for as much info as I can get. And you know I am innocent, or I would have full reason to back down from Sasaki's lying, lying, lying challenge.



:wall:

I'll repeat, because it bears repeating:

:wall:

[TinCow]

Keep in mind that nobody's questioning Ares's guilt and that he should probably die this round. It's the nature of his guilt (serial killer or another mafia faction?) that's in question.

This is important to remember in future rounds. I can't come up with an explanation for Ares' reveals which don't make him a likely threat to the town and worthwhile lynch. However, we should not automatically assume that he is either a serial killer or a mafioso at this point. He could be either, or he could be some other role of which we are unaware. Picking a specific role and calling him that for the rest of the game risks cementing potentially faulty assumptions.

[TinCow]

Does no one even care that Sasaki pulled a fast one and lied to me about his duel strength?

Not I. We have no reason to trust either of you, so it doesn't particularly matter to me which one lives. In addition, if I had to challenge someone, I'd do my best to make sure it was a challenge I would win. I do not approve of challenges in the first place, but if they must occur, playing to win is the only smart thing to do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I can report that I now have two decent pro-town roles revealing themselves to me, as well as minor characters.

So, even though my ability to hide who I am is an epic failure, I accomplished a lot for my partner, who will reveal himself eventually and vindicate my efforts this round. I already accomplished something which was part of my victory conditions this game. And yes, those victory conditions are associated with a townie victory, but it was a sub-mission.

So now, I can breathe a sigh of relief. Thanks fellows who gave me the time of day. That takes courage. :medievalcheers:

[TinCow]

Well, I can report that I now have two decent pro-town roles revealing themselves to me, as well as minor characters.

And how do you know that one or more of those people isn't a mole who's trying to infiltrate whatever group you're assembling? Townie groups = townie death.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Does no one even care that Sasaki pulled a fast one and lied to me about his duel strength?

:no:

I care!




Because, as an innocent mason about to DIE, my partner has asked for as much info as I can get.

1) I don't like when townies form private groups where they gather information. For one thing it takes a lot of the fun out of the game (it was the reason I switched sides in capo II for example) and for another...

2) "private" townie groups usually end up being infiltrated. The risk is 10x as much in a game with this many roles. Can the mafia infiltrate the group? Is their a role whose sole purpose is to create mischief? Can the mafia recruit from the previously innocent? Is there a role that can switch sides?

3) I don't trust your judgement on what to do with said information. You tend to blow things out of proportion.


This is important to remember in future rounds. I can't come up with an explanation for Ares' reveals which don't make him a likely threat to the town and worthwhile lynch. However, we should not automatically assume that he is either a serial killer or a mafioso at this point. He could be either, or he could be some other role of which we are unaware. Picking a specific role and calling him that for the rest of the game risks cementing potentially faulty assumptions.

You would be the one at risk if we assumed Ares had a partner at some point...I can see why you wouldn't want to much weight to be placed on that. You didn't seem like your usual self in your defense of ares.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And how do you know that one or more of those people isn't a mole who's trying to infiltrate whatever group you're assembling? Townie groups = townie death.

Those people who claimed roles, if they are found to be liars, will be exposed later on in the game by my partner. It's a very simple matter of directing the investigator to check their stories. So anyone who lied to me already, is toast.

Even lies are valuable clues, TinCow. You know this to be true.

:mellow:

Some of you underestimate the power of cheesy goodness to expose the traitors in our midst, apparently.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Those people who claimed roles, if they are found to be liars, will be exposed later on in the game by my partner. It's a very simple matter of directing the investigator to check their stories. So anyone who lied to me already, is toast.



The innocent investigator

The innocent investigator who gets 100% accurate results because you know for a fact that there aren't any godfather type roles in this game?

The innocent investigator who gets 100% accurate results because you know for a fact that it isn't possible for alignment changes to happen?

The innocent investigator who you know for a fact isn't going to die tonight?

~D

[TinCow]

You would be the one at risk if we assumed Ares had a partner at some point...I can see why you wouldn't want to much weight to be placed on that. You didn't seem like your usual self in your defense of ares.

I am perfectly comfortable with my defense of Ares, as I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. If you find scum in that, so be it. I stand by my actions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, Sasaki... if my blade even nicks your skin tonight, I will revel in your blood being spilt.

:laugh4:

Just do a guy a favor and finish me off quickly, don't dishonor me by leaving me wounded. If you must have this little duel of yours, it had better have a clean ending, or I will come back to haunt you.

[Yoyoma1910]

Does no one even care that Sasaki pulled a fast one and lied to me about his duel strength?

:no:



Why do you think I don't know what a mason is? Did you read the exchange I had with White_Eyes? HE didn't know, I was the one who educated him about it. Boy, some people write me off as guilty or unaware, and they didn't take the time to read something that would immediately disprove that.



Special role, NO. Fake role PM, YES. For really, really obvious reasons, too.



Because, as an innocent mason about to DIE, my partner has asked for as much info as I can get. And you know I am innocent, or I would have full reason to back down from Sasaki's lying, lying, lying challenge.



:wall:

I'll repeat, because it bears repeating:

:wall:

1) Because you're not playing a very good mason.

2) You're more likely to get special roles killed... than, say, catch a chicken.

3) Well, no one has apparently targeted you yet... even though you think they are about to at any moment... edit:well except for the whole duel thing. Maybe it will rain. :wink:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even though the energy is wasted on some, others have placed their confidence in me and shall not be disappointed. I will protect their identities.

Since I cannot convince you with words, only actions, that is what I will do. Good day, sirs. :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I need more from you.

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and risk a lot on your trustworthiness (a big risk, historically speaking! :laugh4:) or at least the entertainment value of what you were offering (you don't make games boring! :laugh4:)

But because you are now suggesting your duel strength is different from what you suggested earlier, I need more from you. I want to know what you know, now. Otherwise I take our dealings public. There can be no middle road, here. Either you trust me or you do not, and if you do not, then I cannot help you.

Go ahead, make your choice. Sorry to be so insistent. But if you aren't who you said you were, then I have every reason, and all the evidence I need, to take you down.

Clock is ticking. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44)

I already proved my worth to you by not exposing you immediately. So either you trust me or you don't.

I can back out of the challenge, but I am trying to play your little game. Unfortunately, this ride costs more than you're offering.

I'm a cultist bent on destroying the town

I win by killing everyone except my recruits. ~:handball:

Sasaki

And you spread this wonderful thing via duels, I take it. Does it work 100%, or is there a risk of death? And do you have a partner? (Don't worry, you don't have to tell me who it is yet)

Don't trust pizza in the slightest--he doesn't seem to be up to much good imo. I send him a message pretending like tincow was my mafia partner to see if he'd take the bait, and then another pretending to be cult recruiter. This was the latest. He seems to want to join a cult that is "bent on destroying the town". My emphasis in his last message, notice the "yet" and his asking if he becomes a cultist from the duel.

:no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

\

1) Because you're not playing a very good mason.
That's your opinion, and it also happens to be wrong. I already accomplished a game objective for my team, the masons, who are pro-town. So I will just grin and grin every time you make such an unqualified accusation.


2) You're more likely to get special roles killed... than, say, catch a chicken.
I would fire back that you're more likely to randomly LYNCH the special roles than say... catch a mafia.


3) Well, no one has apparently targeted you yet... even though you think they are about to at any moment... edit:well except for the whole duel thing. Maybe it will rain.
No one has targeted me yet, except for that one fellow. Good point.

____________-


And Sasaki proves himself to be a liar, once again :grin:

Challenge: unaccepted.


I'm up to no good, but Sasaki claimed to be a cultist in private and I decided to humor him to see how it would go. Well at least we know that Sasaki isn't a cultist.

And town shoots itself in the foot once again. So now, Sasaki discredits a mason intentionally. Stellar play. When the game is over and my alignment is revealed, I'll accept your apologies.

:medievalcheers:


And yeah, I'll cop to that, Sasaki. I did want to join your cult, because I was actually honoured you would pick me. But it didn't happen, did it?

You basically just proved my innocence, because yeah, I was absolutely ready to betray the town by being recruited as a cultist, thus proving I am not already a mafioso. And since your claim was bogus, I am still a townie.





What exactly were you trying to prove with your shenanigans? That I would betray the town if a cult member had the cajones to approach me and ask? SURE I WOULD, what player here wouldn't? That's called having fun.

I did this before in You Can't Win. I was offered a chance to join the mafia and I did, and I was not anti-town in that one.




Boy, you guys really never cease to amaze me. You've proven nothing, Sasaki, except that you should never be trusted, and that I am indeed innocent in THIS game, even if I am generally willing to do an alignment shift.

:shakehands:

Congratulations. :laugh2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The entire exchange, exposed. In spoilers, to protect your eyes from Sasaki's forked tongue.





Our distancing seems to be going well. Don't want to respond to pizza's accusations myself though (looks suspicious), you mind stepping in on my behalf?

Sasaki

LOLz

You didn't post it in the thread...I suspected as much. How would you feel about joining a cult?

Sasaki

I feel like you're trying to get bait to expose me to the town as being disloyal somehow. Sort of like role fishing; you want to show me as being eager to abandon the townie cause. However, I have a much more reasonable message for you;

(was writing this when you did)



If you truly think I am scum, make a case, or ignore me.

However, if you're a townie and I'm a townie, I'd rather have you alive. I made a case against you. If you have some sort of valued role, I need to know. If you don't have a valuable pro-town role, I think you're a safe lynch based on your behavior.

Now, do we work together, or are we adversaries? Do you trust me or not? I've no reason to trust you yet. Make this pm public, too, for all I care. You have my permission. I know I am on the chopping block soon, and it will only signal that you're totally uncooperative.

If you have a role, whatever your role is, either trust me with it, or we should just keep our debate public.

I need to know your duel strength, your alignment, role, whatever you want to share with me. You can choose to share it, you can lie to me, or you can ignore me. The game is yours... make your move.

You know as well as I do that exposing this message will not get me lynched any faster; that's a foregone conclusion anyway. I am not mafia, so... trust me or don't.

More:








Ok, enough inbox spam... you haven't read my other message yet.

You must know already that I am a Mason. Right now, I haven't told anyone what you said to me in private, nor have I gone after you in the thread for it. You could easily dismiss this as games to mess with me if I made this public anyway.

Still, I must admit I'm a bit too much of a Sasaki Kojiro fan not to bite. What's your big secret, and am I on candid camera? *still looks skeptical*

Just what are you up to? :inquisitive: I suppose this round could get even more interesting. Show me the cards.

Accept my challenge. Unless your talk of self lynching was all for show and you aren't willing to take a 50/50 shot...we should have the same rating.

Sasaki

Very well, what the heck do I have to lose.

Proper form is Accept: [name], don't think reenk will be a stickler but are you trying to get off on a technicality? Because that would be hilarious.

See you on the battlefield...

Sasaki

Why do you want to kill me so much???

:bigcry:

I have a 2 for a duel rating. I'm not sure what my slaughter will accomplish, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It's more entertaining that way.

I'm curious to see the duel system and I don't want the rest of day one to be a letdown...nothing to do now that ares is a goner.

Sasaki

At least when I am dead no one can claim that I was mafia.

I'm going to wait to change my format, otherwise it looks suspicious that I would suddenly get that info.

And more:




I need more from you.

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and risk a lot on your trustworthiness (a big risk, historically speaking! :laugh4:) or at least the entertainment value of what you were offering (you don't make games boring! :laugh4:)

But because you are now suggesting your duel strength is different from what you suggested earlier, I need more from you. I want to know what you know, now. Otherwise I take our dealings public. There can be no middle road, here. Either you trust me or you do not, and if you do not, then I cannot help you.

Go ahead, make your choice. Sorry to be so insistent. But if you aren't who you said you were, then I have every reason, and all the evidence I need, to take you down.

Clock is ticking. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44)

I already proved my worth to you by not exposing you immediately. So either you trust me or you don't.

I can back out of the challenge, but I am trying to play your little game. Unfortunately, this ride costs more than you're offering.

I'm a cultist bent on destroying the town

I win by killing everyone except my recruits. ~:handball:

Sasaki

And you spread this wonderful thing via duels, I take it. Does it work 100%, or is there a risk of death? And do you have a partner? (Don't worry, you don't have to tell me who it is yet)


Keep this in mind, gents: Most of you know this already, but not only can you not trust Sasaki to recruit you honestly, but you can't trust him in general. And, as far as this game is concerned, he's a bad townie.

I won't hide my attempt at a betrayal, because frankly, if you wouldn't accept an offer to join a cult, then you're just no fun, people. And if I were attempting to betray the town, I would have to be on their side to begin with. I have nothing to gain by being mafia and jumping ship.


Truly, truly entertaining stuff.

Reject: Sasaki Kojiro

to make it all nice and official-like.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And yeah, I'll cop to that, Sasaki. I did want to join your cult, because I was actually honoured you would pick me. But it didn't happen, did it?

If anyone doubts that trusting pizzaguy with townie information is a good idea you now have proof of these two things:

1) He would shift alignments if asked, hence trusting him with info is bad
2) He believes someone is a role based of off nothing but this:


You didn't post it in the thread...I suspected as much. How would you feel about joining a cult?

Sasaki

...

I'm a cultist bent on destroying the town

I win by killing everyone except my recruits. ~:handball:

Sasaki

Which makes me very unwilling to trust the innocence of his "pro-town contacts"


I don't have anything against you, I'm just very against the idea of a private townie info group, for obvious reasons, and you just happened to be trying to start one.

Oh and if Reenk allows "unaccepting", particularly after 24 hours has passed, I shall be sorely disappointed :stare:


I won't hide my attempt at a betrayal, because frankly, if you wouldn't accept an offer to join a cult, then you're just no fun, people.

Agreed ~D

But you do see how that fits in with my argument against sending all information to one person...

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know what, Sasaki? Taking risks is part of the game. If you don't like it, that's not my issue.

And, for fun, and since I AM PRO-TOWN, and since you just hampered all my efforts so far with your ploy which totally backfired and hurt two pro-townies, I'll re-accept your silly duel.

Town won't be wasting a lynch on me.

Accept: Sasaki Kojiro.

This time, it's a grudge match. No holds barred, and I will endeavor to make you squeal. :clown:

Cheers. :medievalcheers:

[shlin28]

:inquisitive:

Did you guys not read the "Edicts by the most Mighty Priest King (as Interepreted by his Loyal Soldier shlin28)"????

It clearly states that in Chapter 343 Paragraph 8 Line 35 that all forms of secret societies that deals in information that I am not privileged to is FROWNED UPON!

That's right, secret townie groups get FROWNED UPON by me!

*sigh*

Being a soldier trying to maintain law and order is tough...

[Askthepizzaguy]

1) He would shift alignments if asked, hence trusting him with info is bad
Yes, and mafia games are full of trustworthy people. Honestly man, it's like you're trying to teach ABC's to college graduates.


2) He believes someone is a role based of off nothing but this:
Forgive me for trying to figure out what you were up to. Turns out it was no good, as per usual. As I even predicted in our little exchange, too. I said you had a checkered history, and this just adds to the pile. And that's a checkered history as a townie, not mafia. So you're even less trustworthy than me.

You're a very cunning and intelligent player, Sasaki. But you aren't on the side of justice all the time, even when you're a townie. And you're the last person who should be chiding another player for being willing to backstab.

:laugh2:

The pot, Sasaki, calls the kettle, Pizzaguy, black. But I thank you for allowing me to die in an exciting enough manner. And I appreciate the entertainment value here.

[shlin28]

A true townie would stay as a townie even if he is tempted by other more juicy roles. Surely it is more fun to stand and fight knowing that you are disadvantaged?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah. This is a game of betrayal and risk. Staying true is not always my desired course. So it is a risk, yeah, in trusting me. I don't WANT to become a player people can always trust. I want it to be a course of action that takes cojones, trusting me. That's... more... fun. The whole point of the game. :laugh2: But at the same time, in spite of my shenanigans here, I have protected several people's identities and it will help the town in the long run.

:shrug:

If anyone wants to continue discussing this with me, please do so in private. I tire of monopolizing the discussion, and so do others tire of me doing so. This was an entertaining round where, believe it or not, I did shine, and accomplished more than you know. But, I bow out now, because this is a team game, and you all need to have a little peace and quiet to think, to catch the mafia. I will comment, briefly, when necessary, but Pizzaguy's "shut up" policy goes into effect starting now. Interact with me in private if you wish.

:quiet:

edit:
And by the way, I know who the Tax Collector is, and he needs to be eliminated next round.

[Yoyoma1910]

How about this, then?


What happened in Ares game when I gave you my information?


You exposed who I was and who everyone else was, and when combined with the writeups, you allowed the mafia to catch every town power role.


...


How was that helpful to town or being a good faux-mason?

[Lord Winter]

And by the way, I know who the Tax Collector is, and he needs to be eliminated next round.

why?

[Yoyoma1910]

:quiet:

edit:
And by the way, I know who the Tax Collector is, and he needs to be eliminated next round.

Maybe you should be eliminated next round? Because now you're playing the fool.

[TinCow]

And by the way, I know who the Tax Collector is, and he needs to be eliminated next round.

Then perhaps you should tell us WHO this person is and WHY they need to be eliminated. It's kind of hard to lynch an anonymous person.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*sigh*

I'll reveal it next round. But actually, I don't want to expose him just yet; I need to find out if he was lying to me about being the tax collector. And give him a chance to argue his case and pose a defense and yadda yadda yadda in private. Master Beefy once taught me patience, and as a student, I accept his lessons to be patient.

It's part of my role to eliminate him, and to be honest, it may not have an impact on the overall townie victory. However, because the host gave me this role, I am supposed to do my best to find out who he is and destroy him. I'm bound by the rules to at least give it a try.

That's all. Peace out.

[_Tristan_]

Yes, it is either too much or not enough said...

[Yoyoma1910]

Pizza, don't be a fool.


You're about to expose someone who is most likely protown, and trusted you.... like a fool. :no:


Shame on you.

Edit: And shame on anyone who trusted you with their info.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No ad hominems please, first of all. And second, it's my job. If you had this role, you would have to do it or give it a try, Yoyoma.

I'm always the bad guy. :wall: I'm just playing the game as I was instructed to do, by the host, and by the request of my partner.

Further conversations involving me in private only. Thank you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It was actually a very worthy plan, and of course it had a chance to fall to pieces if I betrayed everyone. But no vital roles got exposed, and I did accomplish a pro-town objective this round, which was to identify the Tax Collector. he even revealed himself to me as the Tax Collector.

So, he's either mafia, or he is the tax collector, Sasaki. I don't see a lot of other options.

...

Well let's just say, according to the host, many will do much better if the Tax Collector dies. He is a burden to ALL of the "men", and to eliminate him, we will all do much better.

It seems the tax collector is someone that the "men" are supposed to eliminate as a side goal. However, since I've posted this bit, undoubtedly the "good men" will not go along with it so we can forget about that :yes:

Personally I would rather eliminate the mafia and reform the tax system by other means :balloon2:

edit:

I already accomplished a game objective for my team, the masons,

On review, eliminating the tax collector seems to be a goal for just the masons.

[shlin28]

A tax collector sounds like a detective to me, as by definition a tax collector needs to know who to collect tax from,and can find out other people's personal details, and so calculate how much tax to collect.

:clown:

[Reenk Roink]

Just a few things guys:

Challenges can be taken back BY both the person who challenged and the person who was challenged and accepted until the voting period ends in the same way votes can be changed.

No comment on some questions about how exactly the duel system works.

Now, more importantly, I just read the last 40 new posts and everything seemed pretty fine to me on first impression. Then I checked my PM's and got a complaint about sportsmanship. I read the same 40 posts again and could see the point of the complaint but didn't really agree, but felt I still needed to address it to make sure all was ~:grouphug:.

The way I see it, Mafia games are about disagreement and deception. When people disagree and deceive each other, sometimes things can get heated. Also, in a game where parties win at the expense of other parties, the same potential for things to get heated exists.

The thing that, at least for me, makes the game not ever get heated, are the facts that this is the internet, that most of the people playing together are on good terms and have played together before, and that the context of the game will explain away any kind of questionable statements.

This is why when I post on Mafia games, it's usually with a grin on my face, even if I'm acting another way (see the way I feigned being hurt by accusations that I was being a spoiler in the Godfather 3 :laugh4:).

Essentially I really think people need to do two things when playing this game:

1) Realize the context you are in
2) Thicken your skin accordingly

Some people naturally don't like games with disagreement and deception, or are not comfortable enough with the context of the game and so they do not play or have stopped playing. That is fine. Some people don't like contact sports, others do.

By signing up for this game, I would expect every player to have at least considered the two things stated above, and so far, I think basically everyone is doing so.

With all of that being said, I would like to see one thing happen. In you arguments (which I am loving :laugh4:) try your best to choose your words carefully so as to have it explicitly pertain to the statements themselves and not the poster.

I think everyone who is playing this game has been attacking arguments and not the arguer, but sometimes the word choice combined with the nature of communication by text leads to misunderstandings.

Therefore, instead of saying "liar" say "that statement of yours is a lie" and instead of saying "fool" say "your behavior/play is foolish" and so on.

Thanks and carry on now. :bow: ~:grouphug:

[TinCow]

Uh... so when exactly is this day phase going to end?

[Reenk Roink]

20:00 EST (every time the writeups are posted, the time when the round ends will be on top).

[TinCow]

Thanks. You might want to add that to the summary thread version. I don't know about anyone else, but I look at that one when I read the write-ups.

[Reenk Roink]

Will do. :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What, about the me losing my dirt if I were to rise a rank or the comment about the second killer? :laugh4:

Considering that I actually said something about that there was more than 1 kill rather than others (such as GH) just voting without adding anything to the vote or yet some others who just vote and have a different one liner to go with it doesn't seem exactly scummy to me.

If you are talking about me not posting much, feel free to use Sigurd analysis on my post count across games and roles.

Vote me all you want if you think my vote on Ares is somehow framing me.

Why did you feel the need to point out that one of the killers was a "smoker or somesuch"?



Reject: Sasaki Kojiro


~:angry:~:angry:~:angry:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Challenges can be taken back BY both the person who challenged and the person who was challenged and accepted until the voting period ends in the same way votes can be changed.

Reject: Sasaki Kojiro

I think we're both townies at this point, and as such, it really is pointless to do this. I accept being lynched if others disagree.

:bow:

And apologies if I made anything personal with regards to your ruse, Sasaki. It was a legal, and entertaining, tactic, and I do hope I made that clear. The 'forked tongue' thing was meant to be in jest, and if that wasn't clear, I am to blame.

*lurker mode*

[Sigurd]

Please .... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's restrain our compulsion to fill this game with verbal vomit.
The first round has yet to finish and we are looking at +543 posts.

Just a comparison (previous large games and their total posts):

Mafia I - 353 posts
Mafia II - 567 posts
Mafia III - 770 posts
Mafia IV - 530 posts

Godfather I - 412 posts
Gotta have more mafia - 353 posts
Cosa Nuova - 598 posts

Now if you will excuse me, I am heading back to post #491 which incidentally has a slightly lesser text than an entire small game. :mean:


:mellow:

[Reenk Roink]

Just a comparison (previous large games and their total posts):

Mafia I - 353 posts
Mafia II - 567 posts
Mafia III - 770 posts
Mafia IV - 530 posts

Godfather I - 412 posts
Gotta have more mafia - 353 posts
Cosa Nuova - 598 posts

The good old days, we were all such noobs then... :laugh4:

[taka]

instead of saying "fool" say "your behavior/play is foolish" and so on.


but but but.... beefy IS a fool, he doesnt like being called idiot :laugh4:

[Beefy187]

but but but.... beefy IS a fool, he doesnt like being called idiot :laugh4:

I much rather fool then idiot actually :yes:

Fool sounds like food and its humourous while idiot actually....hurts..

Wait this isn't about me! Fool! :smash:

taka your soo gone :beam:

[Reenk Roink]

Voting ended, writeup coming.

Also, just another gameplay note.


If a settler wishes to withdraw a challenge he issued before let him inscribe (or have inscribed for him) Withdraw: [name].

If a settler wishes to reject a challenge he accepted before let him inscribe (or have inscribed for him) Reject [name]

The second post of the Summary thread has been updated to include this information.

[taka]

I much rather fool then idiot actually :yes:

Fool sounds like food and its humourous while idiot actually....hurts..

Wait this isn't about me! Fool! :smash:

taka your soo gone :beam:

:laugh4:

[Jolt]

Been away (Weekend awayness). Although I skipped most of the conversation after it got heated. In any case, my opinion is that Sasaki is making good points. Most probably there is either some (I don't know the exact Role names) Investigator (One who investigates one person) or a protector (One who protects - in this type watches - a person), or pevergreen's role has him revealing whoever kills him. I believe it's more a stroke of luck than framing. Ares had no reason to kill pevergreen, unless pevergreen is himself Mafia, which doesn't seem like it by the write-up. It seems quite strange that TinCow has so vehemently defended a guy which the write-up proves quite expressively that Ares is a Mafioso/SK. I'll give him the benefit of doubt for the following turns.

Vote: Ares

[Reenk Roink]

This day will go down in history. Never before has a settlement see so much bickering on its initial day.

Though the settlers decided to assert their own right to vote they overwhelmingly went ahead and came to the same conclusion about the magic rock that the priest king did and doomed the man it showed: Ares.

Ares had resigned himself to his doom early on, in fact, the consensus was so overwhelmingly against him that for the latter half of the day the settlers argued about all other kinds of topics.

The pizza guy that people asked was an especially vocal member of the crowd and the man they called Sasaki Kojiro challenged him to a duel for what could have been any reason. However, after changing his mind on the challenge as much as he did on the vote, eventually he backed down.

So Ares was bought before the priest king, who stood next the widow of The Flax consoling her, in an open field outside of the temple complex. Though he was quite active in trying to defend himself earlier in the day, it seemed that he had either accepted his fate or was exhausted from speaking, and so he remained very silent.

The priest king walked up to the kneeling man in chains. He was in sweat soaked clothes that were much too small for his burly frame. Reenk Roink demanded: “Are you an agent of Vode?”

Ares, who had been hanging his head up to that point, suddenly looked up and stared the priest king in the face. Reenk Roink was somewhat unnerved by the man’s glaring; he got the feeling that Ares was debating whether to speak or act. He settled on saying nothing.

After a few moments, the priest king grew tired of the insolence shown by Ares and struck his face with a light blow of his sword which sent the prisoner falling to the ground. The light dimmed around Ares as the Bronze Companions closed in to finish the job.

Voting Record:

GeneralHankerchief votes 777Ares777
shlin28 votes 777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy votes abstain
Sasaki Kojiro votes 777Ares777
Ichigo votes 777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy votes Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy votes 777Ares777
White_eyes:D votes 777Ares777
FactionHeir votes 777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy votes Askthepizzaguy
GeneralHankerchief votes FactionHeir - final
Sigurd votes 777Ares777
TinCow votes FactionHeir
seireikhaan votes TinCow
Lord Winter votes 777Ares777
Captain Blackadder votes 777Ares777
Beefy187 votes 777Ares777
CountArach votes 777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy votes 777Ares777 - final
Yoyoma1910 votes 777Ares777
boudica votes abstain (courteously)
Psychonaut votes Gaius Scribonius Curio
777Ares777 votes Gaius Scribonius Curio
Seamus Fermanagh votes 777Ares777
TinCow votes 777Ares777 - final
taka votes abstain
Gaius Scribonius Curio votes 777Ares777
Andres votes 777Ares777
Tristan de Castelreng votes 777Ares777

Challenge Record:

Sasaki Kojiro challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel

Vote Tally:

777Ares777 (shlin28, Sasaki Kojiro, Ichigo, White_eyes:D, FactionHeir, Sigurd, Lord Winter, Captain Blackadder, Beefy187, CountArach, Askthepizzaguy, Yoyoma1910, Seamus Fermanagh, TinCow, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Andres, Tristan de Castelreng) - 22
FactionHeir (GeneralHankerchief) - 2
Gaius Scribonius Curio (Psychonaut, 777Ares777) - 2
TinCow (seireikhaan) - 2

abstain (boudica, taka) - 2

Challenge List:


Alive:

GeneralHankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Beefy187
Psychonaut
CountArach
FactionHeir
Andres
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
Sigurd
shlin28
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:

777Ares777

Fallen in battle:


Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen

[Reenk Roink]

Been away (Weekend awayness). In any case, my opinion is that Sasaki is making good (brrb CHAANGINg COMPUTERS DUETO STUPIDKEYBOARSD)

Post of the year? :laugh4:

Voting ended Jolt, sorry.

Also night orders please. :smash:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki Kojiro challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel

:laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry, couldn't make up my mind. I was too busy joining cults, exposing pro-town roles, accusing townies of being mafia, voting for myself, and taking things wayyy too personally.

Oh, excuse me, I have to go murder some people tonight. be right back, I need to do my evil, evil, evil writeup where I destroy Sasaki Kojiro for exposing me as a twisted hateful little man bent on taking over the entire town and destroying Reenk Roink once and for all....

muhuhuhhahahahaaa!!!

[Yoyoma1910]

Sorry, couldn't make up my mind. I was too busy joining cults, exposing pro-town roles, accusing townies of being mafia, voting for myself, and taking things wayyy too personally.

Oh, excuse me, I have to go murder some people tonight. be right back, I need to do my evil, evil, evil writeup where I destroy Sasaki Kojiro for exposing me as a twisted hateful little man bent on taking over the entire town and destroying Reenk Roink once and for all....

muhuhuhhahahahaaa!!!

Now you're playing a good mason. Reminds me of a guy I used to work for...

[Askthepizzaguy]

In case it matters; I am going back to my earlier spineless peasant role playing. Time to have some carefree fun again. I did my deeds, good and evil, this round, and I'll leave it to my partner to continue.

As such, I will just enjoy the rest of the game and give up this silly inquisition business. Cor blimey, it's a bloody mess, askin' all these people wot their role is, I 'aven't 'ad this much fun since that noight I pushed Woit Oies into that pile of cow poies. 'E were awful mad loike, but 'e ad it comin' since he what were exposin' my role to everyone loike that.

:laugh4:

[FactionHeir]

Why did you feel the need to point out that one of the killers was a "smoker or somesuch"?


"It was really a useless effort, however, as his killer shoved his now limp body off the desk and proceeded to roll up a sheet of papyrus and smoke it, well pleased with his kill."

It helps to point out certain characteristics of night active characters as an collaborative effort of identifying their allegiance or persona.

Besides, it makes me stand out more than just voting and not commenting at all :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

I have been playing RE 5 and have not posted as much.....a good thing for the mods, I think:mellow:
I got nothing yet......:juggle2:

[Beefy187]

Im bit busy doing study and all so my activity will drop

This is from now on till I get into Uni:wall:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have been playing RE 5 and have not posted as much....

Woit Oies:

Yew wernt in a scrap wit zobbies, werr ya? I've been hearin' about them rough characta's afoot at noit, an ifin' yew been 'angin round toiypes loike thaaat, I am not shore yer troust werthy, orl roit? Did'n they boit yerr bottom then? An' ifin they did, you moit be turnin' into a zobbie yourself, honest and true! By the way, 'ow werr that game then? I 'ear it is bloody brilliant, koinda wish I wer havin' that game to myself, for shore.

Where wer that brewer now? Pass me sum ayle, I need to get bleedin' smashed tonoit. Ifin' I pass out, joust turn me 'ead so's I don't hurl all over me self and drown init.

[Lord Winter]

"It was really a useless effort, however, as his killer shoved his now limp body off the desk and proceeded to roll up a sheet of papyrus and smoke it, well pleased with his kill."

It helps to point out certain characteristics of night active characters as an collaborative effort of identifying their allegiance or persona.

Besides, it makes me stand out more than just voting and not commenting at all :laugh4:

We don't know how much of the write up is Reenk's and how much is the mafia's, so we should probably just disregard it unless one of our writing analysts, like Tincow, sees a clear difference between certain parts.

[CountArach]

edit:
And by the way, I know who the Tax Collector is, and he needs to be eliminated next round.
ATPG, either you are lying and playing a ballsy game or you are incredibly naive... and I don't think you are naive.

Do you honestly think that a player who has victory conditions that are obviously anti-town (Otherwise they wouldn't need to be lynched) would reveal them to you in private?

I'll be voting you next round regardless of what happens. This just seems so unlike you.

EDIT: Alright had a quick re-read and it seems it may be a mason side-objective. In which case it is still selfish play and does nothing towards furthing the ultimate goal of the town. All together now: "For the greater good".

[Askthepizzaguy]

Already dropped my vendetta against him, CA. Moved on. I had a mason objective to outlast him, and even that doesn't necessarily mean I have to kill him in a duel. And since I am pro-town, the main objective of the game takes precedence over it.

But do as you will, CA; I won't waste time defending myself. And thanks for suspecting me, I might have a chance of surviving tonight. Much appreciated.

[CountArach]

But do as you will, CA; I won't waste time defending myself. And thanks for suspecting me, I might have a chance of surviving tonight. Much appreciated.
Pleasure to be of service :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cripes, Mate! You just done me a solid, you did! Moch obliged, gov'na! Quite roit.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Some thoughts...

1) One thing which has certainly become apparent is that Reenk has set up a game involving a large amount of factionalism. The obvious Schism is between the Good men and the plain, ordinary, need to be protected from themselves men. However I have also gleaned from various posts and RPing over the last 500-odd posts (:laugh4:) that their are are least 3 different factions within the 'Good Men'. The Gods know how many ideologies the small-minded and easily misled men are following.

2) There are side-goals for some select groups. ATPG readily admitted that he wants to 'outlast' the tax collector. As of this time, despite not knowing who or what the tax collector is I'd recommend keeping him alive. Not, importantly to frustrate ATPG, but because he could have an ability that would be of use, and frankly, while attempting to remain within the constraints of our story (which has made a very impressive amount of sense thus far...) it seems unlikely that some in such a position could be a foreigner.

3)As of this time I'd assume that Reenk is responsible for the write-ups, but that doesn't mean clues will not come out of it. We have to remember that Aries just got lynched because of the first night's events.

Thats all I've got so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do want to say; I honestly don't care about outlasting the Tax Collector, especially since I am under the impression he's on our side. A side mission for the Masons is not, as some have very wisely pointed out, anything to be really concerned about accomplishing.

I am not even sure what happens if we were to accomplish it. Do we get balloons? :laugh2: Or just fewer taxes? Maybe better duel ratings for the common men? Beer, women, and a feast? Special voodoo powers? Or perhaps we all join Sasaki's cult? I honestly have no idea, it did not say in my role pm.

Ooops, sorry, what I meant to say was;Wot? Tax man? I don't giva flyin' monkey's carcass wot 'appens wit the Tax man. Shore, ees a burden ee is, a pain in the backside, a crick in moi neck, I sez, but yarrr ee's prolly on or soide. Oi mean, ee collects taxes for the king, so I figyer 'e most be a loyalist, odds are. Shorely our lerned King knows eef 'is own Tax man is doing 'is job, yarr?

Oi meen, what do we get ifin we string up the tax man, eh? Wait a tick, do we get some fine spirits? Maybe we ken afford better weapons, I sez. Maybe we all torn inta witches an warlocks and such! Cor blimey, wot if we all get converted to a new religion? Don't moind me, I can't even read this scroll I been carryin' around, does anyone 'ere know 'ow to reed Ennlish?

Maybe one of these here scroibes know wot it sez. I s'pose eets not important, then?

[Captain Blackadder]

The taxman is the centre of our beloved system for as the book of Reenk says render unto Caeser that which is Caesar's and this is the policy we must follow.

[White_eyes:D]

@ATPG, I think the point Sasaki was trying to tell you is......Pro-town groups just don't work.....and you dissapoint me, on how quickly you were going to jump ship to the Mafia:no:

Pro-town or townie groups:
Pros-Locate the mafia more easly, as the suspects are easier to elimante.
-Can use there abilitys more in unison, leading to better results in thawrting the Mafia.
Cons-Mafia gets all the above benfeits and more.....
-Worse yet, a third faction/SK might slip in and mess up or confuse the group...
Overall-if town hopes to win.....we must keep our roles to ourself's until nesssary...:whip:

@RE 5, it is good:2thumbsup: but I was eaten by the native crocs and died by them, more then I died by the "Las Plagas" guys thoughout the whole game:jawdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Blimey mate! An you dis'point me wit 'ow quickly yew threw me to the wolves! Just exposin' me loike that! Not a benefit of the doubt in ya, is it? And yew wonder 'ow quickly I would join the mafiar, wot with arr the townies thinkin' I am anyways. trow me a bone once in a woile, maybe that won't happen!

:thumbsup:

bah, I don't believe in all that goody-goody stuff. If we were all pure as white eyes, we wouldn't join mafia games to begin with. :laugh4:

Come now; if Sasaki approached you and offered to recruit you into his little clan, you'd really turn him down? Not an ounce of fun-loving spirit in you, is there? :laugh2: Besides, it wasn't true, and while he exposed me as willing to shift alignments if given the chance (not exactly an unpopular choice, mind you...), he also exposed himself as being... well... himself. So we are all a bunch of untrustworthy people, lying through our teeth. If that weren't the case, this game would get awfully boring, awfully fast.

:smash:

I lauded Sasaki for his deception, even if I firmly disagreed with the tactic and thought it was self-defeating. As I said, it's got entertainment value, you can't deny that.

[Thermal]

22 votes? A record surely? :grin:

[boudica]

ooc: just a quick note to apologise for the crude language I used in one of my in-character posts earlier on. I was rightfully picked up on it by one of the moderators. I can only say in my defence that I never meant to cause offence to anyone. Certain words I used apparently warrant an official Org warning, but I have been spared this time.

:oops:

Also - I just wanted to say that while i will of course try to refrain from using language that may cause offence; I have also received applause from another player for the role-play writing in the same post... so I must be doing something right:laugh4:

Now I'd better try and catch up with this epic beast... :book:

[Thermal]

Don't worry boudica, I have had many for saying the letter 'f' accompanied with asterisk, also for creating threads about cows and sheeps (It was a genuine discussion!) moderators like punishing us all with there unquestionable power. :laugh4:



spare me, andres :sweatdrop:

[LittleGrizzly]

Didn't get round to voting in the end, first i thought as TinCown that it was too good to be true... whch usually means it isn't true. It seems it was true though... especially with the confession and such...

Personally im against TIN (Towine Information Network) they are quite often infiltrated and end up just getting all the information for the mafia... such groups need to be kept small for it to function effectively...

Its quite tempting to want to get rid of the taxman... if purely for IC reasons... "No more unfair tax burden!"

umm i think thats about everything....

[boudica]

Ok - caught up for now and excited about which role's costume Askthepizzaguy is going to be wearing tomorrow.. don't tell me, don't tell me! you're going to be: 'The Lurker' :laugh4: (-as if).

I know it has already been quoted, but:

Sasaki Kojiro challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy accepts Sasaki Kojiro duel
Askthepizzaguy rejects Sasaki Kojiro duel



..did make me laugh. Especially considering the amount of times ATPG had already described his own play as having 'cojones' :laugh4:

In Character:

Outside a small rounded dwelling - constructed predominantly from what appeared to be clumps of straw sticking out of mounds of wet sand: A hastily constructed sign had been painted - which identifying the owners shack as the 'Dog & :daisy:'

Once more, around the fire in front of the 'hostelry', several of the men covered in various manure-types, as well as a few of the more amiable 'Good' men (in their fine robes and what not), supped parsnip wine, and munched on the kebabs which had been handed round.

"Did you see 'ow many Branze warrriors it took to finish that big fella off?!!"

"Even Ol' Reenk looked thrown by 'im"

"Wrong 'un fer sure"

"What about the pizza fella that everyone asks?"

"Come now sir! surely the thought of any of our settlement fighting one another should appall even the lowest man!"

*doffs cap*

"Why yas milord, but to moi moind, the pizza fella that everyone asks, seemed to be... well.. askin' fer it sir?"

""I know - I were quoite looking forward to seein' im get a kicken"

"Shurrup!"

[shlin28]

Oh Lord Priest King Reenk Roink! Please protecteth your loyal servant! Grant me the strength to survive the night and sleep soundly for 12 hours!

*Light shines upon this loyal soldier, and what appears to be a ring of protective light surrounds him... (or is that just a trick of the light? :clown:)*

Now I can sleep in peace... *snores*

[Askthepizzaguy]

(Email reposted with permission, basically; boudica asking me why I backed out of the duel)

:D - no worries! Thanks for your visitor post by the way :) I shall endeavour to keep posting the goings on of an evening at the Settlement's newly established 'tavern': The Dog & "Daisy".

And as an aside about that game - I don't understand your willingness to jump into challenges all the time - fair enough you seem to want to prove your innocence, but by backing out against Sasaki - especially after the White Eyes kerfuffle over nothing - it just makes you look more suspicious to anyone who can't be arsed to wade through a small novelette to see the wood for the trees: Personally (and maybe because I COULD be arsed to wade through said novella) I'm not sure that you're scum, but I don't get the logic of the mason reveal - and I didn't buy that 'wheat' farmer fake reveal for obvious reasons, so at the moment I don't see why you keep jumping in and out of challenges - for me, it weakens your case.

Response- in my own typical wordy style.

I don't get the logic of the mason reveal either. Mind you, I was being challenged by someone who wanted me dead on round one for... well, basically no reasoning. I didn't want to go out like that so soon, and I revealed to White_Eyes so he could shush and maybe be a sport and protect my identity.

Note to self: D'oh!!!! Blast you, Woit Oies!!! :clown:

I didn't do it because I wanted to reveal, for cripes sake. I didn' have much of a choice, did I? And sorry if my little wheat farmer fake reveal didn't cut the mustard; I was a mason, so I didn't bother coming up with a fake role at the beginning of the game. I didn't even come up with that fake role before I started typing. I was halfway through typing it before that gem even came to me.

I'm not the best liar in the world, awl roit? I can be crafty and clever at times, but when I am just pure, full-on bovine-feces-ing, (I assume that's legal to say?) people can usually catch that pretty good. Caught me acting strange in Prometheus, caught me bovine-feces-ing in Blackadder's mafia (no one really believed me even after a SkyNet post) and in Jubal_Barca's mafia I had been pretty good at playing the townie, for sure, but not so much that it didn't warrant an investigation, which nailed me early, but the investigator stayed silent to see what I would do.

Thankfully I wasn't so stupid as to reveal my partner, who I literally tried to WOG off or get lynched in like round two because he hadn't shown up at all and left me high and dry. Fortunately Rob_the_Celt showed up to replace Chim and I finally didn't have to do it all by myself. So when it came down to Rob and Thermal Mercury (aka 777Ares777), the latter of whom was investigated and proven INNOCENT, Thermal was the one who got lynched.

The best move I made all game was to try to WOG my own mafia partner. That was a blast, it was!

Enjoy your novella?
Bottom line, and I wasn't even leading up to this point, so on a totally different topic:

I backed out of Sasaki's challenge because after his little prank which made us both look rather untrustworthy, I felt that only a townie would take such a blatantly obvious risk with his life. I refuse to be responsible for Sasaki's death in this game, and I told him so in private. Plus I were real upset at the time about something related to the game and I didn't want to be made into a further public spectacle. I don't actually enjoy that, ya know. In spite of appearances.

So for this and many reasons, I didn't see the point. Sasaki said "why are you going to waste a town lynch?" and I said that's basically what you're going to have to do at this point. But it occurs to me that if you fellows and ladies really want me dead, all you have to do is ask.

If say... 5 of you want me dead, just make a note of it in the thread and have Sasaki challenge me again. I don't see the point, beyond proving my innocence, but I'd accept without hesitation and I won't back down to that one. It is the will of the people, after all. I just don't want to throw away townie lives on the whim of one person or even two.

[boudica]

ooc: I've got no desire to see you two fight - or you and white_Eyes:D - As someone else already pointed out - I think it was Little Grizzley: If the duels DO prove useful to the cause it will be most likely toward the end of the game.

A figure passed the edge of light thrown from the fire outside the Dog and :daisy: mumbling to himself.

"Is that that pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Yarrr"
"Reckons 'ees 'arrrrd, I reckon"
"Nahhhh - soft as a fresh bun that one"
"Argee-men-tative tho"
"I cud 'ave im no worries!"
"Shurrup! You going to offer im out tomorrah then?"

"Nah."


"Thought so."

"So why do they ask 'im?"
"What"
"Why is 'ee the pizza fella that everyone asks?"
"Asks what?"
"I don't know"

"Then what the hell are ye askin' for?"

"Oh Nevermind"

"Buurrrrppp...ah well - Oim orff. Noight noight"

[Seamus Fermanagh]

......<<eeeerp!>>...

'scuze me...

<thinks: Who would've thought there'd be THAT much kick in parsnips....might have to change me mind about that noble vegetable>

... [sings]...and did zose sheep, in ain'tshunt times {staggers}...

... <whoah now, unsteady as a newborn>

...Wok upon Reenkster's mound-tons grin...

[Jolt]

Post of the year? :laugh4:

Voting ended Jolt, sorry.

Also night orders please. :smash:

Hehe, I was struggling myself not to utterly destroy the keyboard I was writting on. Lucky you I managed to have enough patience to write a large amount of words. :P

[White_eyes:D]

bah, I don't believe in all that goody-goody stuff. If we were all pure as white eyes, we wouldn't join mafia games to begin with. :laugh4:

I am not "Pure"...:stare: in games like these, you need to lie to win.....but I never like it when someone who has a horde of information, is going to jump ship to a SK/Mafia faction because he "feels" exposed.:furious3:

Only time I ever jumped ship, was on YLC's "Whispers in the night" and I didn't have a choice....town lynched me over crappy clues..."His eyes we as white as a sheet":rolleyes: I knew Reenk was up to something that game....:sweatdrop: but I dislike it when people jump ship just because they feel exposed....I feel exposed....but would I jump ship??? hard to say....unlikely, since I feel they would be lying.:smash:

Point is: you go down kicking and screaming for your faction like I always have.....and you will have a good game..:thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dang, man! I'll never try to recruit you for mafia, then! :laugh4:

Jost keedding. They'd never expect et! Loike tha Spainish Eeenkweesishun!!! Hurr hurrr hurrr.....

[Reenk Roink]

Please please please get your PM's in on time...

[Reenk Roink]

:stupido:


As the sun tucked herself to sleep, the man known as Gaius Scribonius Curio quickly lit all the candles in his house. He was very unnerved by the murder of The Flax who turned out to be a scribe as Gaius Scribonius Curio himself was.

The world could not afford to lose any more scribes. After all who who but scribes could keep the evils of Reading away from civilized society?

Gaius Scribonius Curio went to the only thing that comforted him: writing. He wrote with the quill furiously, knowing he would have to pick up the work of his dead colleague.

His frantic scribbling stopped immediately when a sound was heard at the window. Gaius Scribonius Curio picked up a paperweight and cautiously went to investigate. On his windowsill lay a rock covered with a piece of papyrus. Gaius Scribonius Curio picked up the rock and slowly peeled the papyrus off which read:


Look behind you

Gaius Scribonius Curio slowly turned his head. At that moment a figure jumped on him, driving a knife deep into his neck. Gaius Scribonius Curio dropped dead, his face forever set in a look of horror.

The killer went up to the desk and picked up an ink bottle. Huffing it, he looked at his bloody blade and smiled.


Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.

As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.

How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."

Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"

Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"

The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."

"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."

Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.

Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!

He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.

The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"

"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."


Deep in the Divine Forest the earth goddess watched as her chosen one was killed in such a bizarre manner. Burning with rage she snapped to the sky god: "Destroy that fool!"

OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

The earth goddess glared angrily...


Back in the comfort of his house, the nobleman Beefy was pouring over volumes of tax records. They were many years old, but Beefy wanted to make sure that the state had received every grain it had deserved.

His pleasant night was suddenly disturbed as his door exploded and a short man in red robes with a grim looking face entered. Beefy could feel the power radiating from the red robed man and cried out in desperation: My indentured servant! Come out and defend me and I will consider your debt payed off!

A man came running out with a broom to attack the intruder but the red robed man quickly cast an incantation which caused to broom to burst in flames, forcing the servant to drop it. The red robed man then made some movements with his hands which directed the burning broom to beat the servant to death.

Beefy was absolutely terrified at this point, and began to cry and beg for his life. He offered his attacker vast amounts of riches, but the red robed sorcerer of Vode was unmoved. He began to cast another spell, and all the precious metal in Beefy's house began to melt into pools on the floor and converge on Beefy.

Beefy screamed for a long time until the molten gold and silver reached his gaping mouth, and when it was all finished, a shining electrum Beefy stood in the middle of his house, his last moments of pain immortalized in a statue.

As the sun rose from her rest, the settlers quickly gathered together and called role. Realizing that Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro, and Beefy were missing, a sickly feeling came over them. They went to the gathering hall to discuss the murders but CountArach stumbled in a bit late, burping and hiccuping...

Challenge List:


Alive:

GeneralHankerchief
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
FactionHeir
Andres
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
Sigurd
shlin28
Askthepizzaguy
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:

777Ares777


Fallen in battle:


Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187



Day ends on Tuesday, March 17 at 02:00 Eastern

[pevergreen]

Hrmmm...Sasaki was killed by a god...This is just like midgard all over again. :confused:

Dunno why Pisuf killed him. Maybe Sasaki had something to do with my death?

There you go ATPG, looks like your tax collector is dead.

[Beefy187]

Thats what too much Role playing does :sweatdrop:

Thanks for the game Reenk. I shall observe :2thumbsup:

[taka]

so we got Various different gods, the tax collector dead quite a few spelling/grammar mistakes

are the write-ups done by reenk himself? or by the killer? it seems unusual of reenk to have so many spelling mistakes

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm, I was this close to choosing to protect beefy last night. Tax collecter being killed isn't a huge tragedy I guess.

So we have:

The silent killer (knife)
The warrior of vode (ares?), not present tonight, replaced with:
The sorcerer of vode

We also have:
OsiOsi-king of the gods
Klefy--earth goddess
Pisuf--ocean god (ed:perhaps forest)? Big meanie.
Vode--God of war

[TheFlax]

Isn't it the least bit odd that the two scribes were offed by what appears the same person? (Judging by the kill method, stab to the neck and then by using various writing tools in ways they were not meant to; smoking papyrus and sniffing ink.)

[naut]

Three kills tonight, oh yes'm, by all the pie and apple crumble in my kitchen I hereby vote Yoyoma1910. Seems, I might say, you were too busy hitting the sauce two nights ago to perform your devious actions; yes the devious, most horrid action you undertook last night.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I urge the town to vote for TinCow today.

In every game I've played with him, he's taken a very measured and thoughtful approach as a townie:

Take this example from capo II:


As I've told other people, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know any of the 'reputations' that people have from other games. I am operating purely based on what I have read in this thread and the content of PMs I have received. Based on that, Louis is one of the few people I have seen who has been trying to help and who hasn't been specifically gunning for a certain person. Given the limited resources at my disposal, I think that's the only logical way for me to make a decision. If I see evidence that Louis is a bad guy, I will react accordingly, but I simply can't base a decision on 'reputation' when that in itself requires that I trust that the 'reputation' information I am being given is accurate in the first place.

Or recall his reaction to Tevash's detective claim: calmly ask to see his role pm, withhold further judgment until the next day. Still not posted, recommend lynch. Attention to detail, emphasis on rational arguments.

Or check out his own description (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2167006&postcount=2199) of how he acts as town.


Now look at his response to the writeup that said Ares was guilty:


The priest king was interrupted by a slave who barged inside the entrance hall holding a rock that while covered with blood still had an uncanny shine. The slave exclaimed: "I found these on master pevergreen's body, LOOK!"

As all present in the gathering gazed into the palm sized stone, they saw the entire events of pevergreen's last moments being played out. They saw the argument with the owl and they saw the armored man approach and kill him. They even saw who the armored man was. It was the man called Ares!

Reenk Roink immediately gave the order to his Bronze Companions to draw their swords and seize Ares, but amazingly, this drew protestations from the crowd who demanded they vote on the matter.


Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?


I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?


1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?


You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.


I think the discussion about whether Ares' role PM was fake or not is pointless. All this talk about the presence or lack of an introduction line is a waste of time. If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery. It mimics Reenk's writing style perfectly, and is laced with just the proper amount of humor throughout. No one would make that good of a forgery and then not put in the standard greeting line that we ALL got. It is far more likely that Ares is telling the truth and didn't post it at first because he didn't think it was actually part of the role. This is consistent with him not posting the joke earlier as well. As for the formating, I've seen that happen many times with real role PMs. It happens when people simply highlight and copy what they see in their PM box instead of hitting reply and using the formated text inside the reply box. The better point of discussion is whether the current situation seems like a frame attempt or whether it seems like a legitimate reveal of a mafioso.


Are you serious? *I* have been ignoring major arguments? I was the first person who had the guts to stick his neck out for Ares when he was about to be bandwagoned into an insta-lynch. I've been providing a good deal of arguments for my position this entire day phase. Simply making one post which concentrates on a lesser issue doesn't change the fact that I've been arguing heavily this entire time.



WHOA. WHOA. WHOA.

I claimed "there can't possibly be a watcher role in this game"? You accuse me about going after a straw man, and then you just fabricate a statement? What I said was that a watcher role would presumably only get the information in a night result PM and would have to disclose it just like any other detective. I never said that there wasn't a watcher in this game, just that the stone which showed Ares did not seem like it was the result of a watcher.

Now who isn't reading carefully? :inquisitive:



I am waiting to here what pevergreen has to say before I decide on Ares. Ares already has more than enough votes to get him lynched, so my vote doesn't make a difference. I'm keeping it on FH for the time being in the hopes that it will encourage him to speak more.

Sorry for the MASSIVE amount of quotes.

The point is, TinCow defended Ares very energetically, starting almost immediately after the kills were posted (before it was clear Ares would be lynched). Now, anyone who defends someone who turns out to be scum should looked at carefully, but TinCow raises more eyebrows than that because of the contrast it presents with his usual townie style. Despite strong evidence against Ares in the writeup of the host, he was not cautious or measured at all in his defense of him. There are bold claims and logical fallacies throughout his defense. For example:

1) "Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares."

Ares probably being framed would mean that he is possibly innocent. Mafia can frame themselves (unlikely), mafia can frame other mafia (possible), and it could in fact not be a frame at all (likely). And, unless TinCow does not consider himself innocent, he should consider Ares a better lynch than himself.

2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."

There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?

3) "If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery."

Multiple people had stated that they were confidant that reenk would have given the mafia fake claims. So TinCow was either ignoring that deliberately, or not being careful and measured.


Soon after this, Ares posted a confession with a role pm that had him as "edgar's swordsman"


Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one settler. This will involve breaking into his tent or house and putting him to the sword.

pevergreen was killed with a mace, not a sword, and the killer is described as a warrior of vode, not of edgar. So it seems clear that Ares was not being entirely truthful. So:

1) Ares was trying to protect TinCow, who had gone out on a limb defending him
2) Ares was trying to frame TinCow, who had gone out on a limb defending him
3) Ares was messing around, or doing something else

Now, this point is wifom. And I'm pretty sure it will be said to be wifom by most of the town. So why not do it if you're mafia, you can just say it's wifom right?

Regardless, that isn't the main point.

************

To summarize, TinCow acted in a manner very unlike how he acts as town (and how he says he acts as town), in defense of a confessed killer. I think I also see signs of him being annoyed with Ares' being revealed in the writeup on the first day, but this is the kind of thing that triggers my gut, not what I'd use as evidence (because the inevitable defense is nuh-uh, and I can't claim to read minds). However, I think if you take a look at his posts you'd see why I think that.

[taka]

i buy your arguement, it's logically thought out and backed up with evidence

Vote: Tincow

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll buy that. You've made him a suspect in my mind.

I'll probably follow Sasaki's lead. I am in his cult, after all. And, I think he's paying more attention to what's happening in-thread; I'm doing too much stuff behind the scenes and my attention is divided. And, I thought he was mafia and it seems clear to me now that he's not. If anything better comes along I'll vote for them, but I'd like TinCow to have a chance to defend himself.

Vote: TinCow as a pressure vote. I reserve the right to change it.

[naut]

Forgot to bold my vote, must of had soup on my mind.

Vote: Yoyoma1910

[Lord Winter]

Vote: Abstain
Sasski's case isn't good enough for me to warrant a vote.. He makes some points but there's also gaps there. For example,


2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."

There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?


If I remember Tincow wasn't the only one who defended Ares on the same grounds. GH was weary among a few others. Throw in Ephuses were the town lynched off the write up which was written by the mafia to frame people (and lost badly) and there is reason to be cautious. The fact is Tincow did have reasonable motives to act like he did. Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Abstain
Sasski's case isn't good enough for me to warrant a vote.. He makes some points but there's also gaps there. For example,



If I remember Tincow wasn't the only one who defended Ares on the same grounds. GH was weary among a few others. Throw in Ephuses were the town lynched off the write up which was written by the mafia to frame people (and lost badly) and there is reason to be cautious. The fact is Tincow did have reasonable motives to act like he did. Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.

I disagree.

The accusation wasn't: Tincow is using logic I disagree with, therefore he is guilty. The point was that the way he was defending ares was out of character for tincow. I don't feel that GH was out of character.

Second, Tincow defended Ares right out of the gate. He had no way of knowing that ares would be lynched or that popular opinion would be so against him. Mafia do defend their partners, because it isn't suicide.

Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Furthermore, why would Tincow, an experienced player, risk his neck defending his partner at such an early stage? It's mafia 101, suicide.

Because he's an experienced player, and the opposite effect happened. I defended TinCow for playing risky. I think a number of people were on TinCow's side for questioning the blindness of the bandwagon. And it seems the mafia are numerous or growing, so it seems to me that TinCow could afford to take such a risk.

I don't want to say WIFOM, but... it could be WIFOM. That said, I encourage abstain votes and also votes on other suspects, so TinCow can explain himself.

[Beefy187]

Because he's an experienced player, and the opposite effect happened. I defended TinCow for playing risky. I think a number of people were on TinCow's side for questioning the blindness of the bandwagon. And it seems the mafia are numerous or growing, so it seems to me that TinCow could afford to take such a risk.

I don't want to say WIFOM, but... it could be WIFOM. That said, I encourage abstain votes and also votes on other suspects, so TinCow can explain himself.

~:)

[Lord Winter]

I disagree.

The accusation wasn't: Tincow is using logic I disagree with, therefore he is guilty. The point was that the way he was defending ares was out of character for tincow. I don't feel that GH was out of character.

Second, Tincow defended Ares right out of the gate. He had no way of knowing that ares would be lynched or that popular opinion would be so against him. Mafia do defend their partners, because it isn't suicide.

Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.

I was arguing that Tincows defense of Ares was a normal action for him. His defense was not triggered by Ares's defense but instead by the way we got the information. It is perfectly within Tincows character to question the information in the write up, especially with certain past games were a blind following of the write up lead to a towns defeat. The fact that Tincow defend Ares's right out of the gate further supports that his defense was based off of the delivery of the information. Questioning something that is too good to be true is normal behavior.


Also, the implication of Ares wasn't in the mafia writeup, and in the godfather TinCow was willing to vote Beefy based on the mafia written kills.

IIRC he was voting based on writing style not content, two completely different things.

[CountArach]

Vote: ATPG

I am true to my word. He has sought out his own goals outside of that of the town (And apparently achieved them) and we cannot be sure that he hasn't got other goals. However, I would still like to hear TinCow's defence and may change my vote based on that.

I find the fact we have 3 kills tonight and 2 on the previous night to be intriguing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No offense taken, CountArach.

Please do recall, I will accept challenges if enough of you want to see me dead. Can I assume both you and Sasaki Kojiro want me to duel someone, then? If a few more people say so, I will accept duel challenges, and you don't have to bother lynching me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was arguing that Tincows defense of Ares was a normal action for him. His defense was not triggered by Ares's defense but instead by the way we got the information. It is perfectly within Tincows character to question the information in the write up, especially with certain past games were a blind following of the write up lead to a towns defeat. The fact that Tincow defend Ares's right out of the gate further supports that his defense was based off of the delivery of the information. Questioning something that is too good to be true is normal behavior.



IIRC he was voting based on writing style not content, two completely different things.

Yes but this is just the alternate explanation--which always exists. Mafioso is lurking, you say "that's suspicious" he says "busy with real life" etc etc. In my opinion you have to give TinCow the benefit of the doubt on too many things to not vote him today. The tone of his posts--I don't think you are disputing this--are not his usual townie self. So which is more likely, that he was greatly worried at the prospect of the town lynching based off the write up (which again didn't come from the mafia), or that he was worried about his partner being lynched? What do you think about Ares's editing his role pm to make it look like he was a SK? I could care less about the possibility of it being a frame job. If you don't lynch people because they "might be being framed" you'll let mafioso's get away with far to many things.

As always it comes down to a matter of probability and of "best lynch available".

[Sigurd]

All though the writeup says Sasaki got killed, he is not on the list of dead people. Neither is he removed from the list of the living.

[edit]: reading the second thread, I notice that Sasaki indeed is on the dead list. Apparently RR just made a mistake.

From what the players have written, I gather we have two plausible candidates this round.
TinCow who needs to make a defence to Sasaki's accusations and
Yoyoma who is "exposed" by Psychonaut. We need a little more info on that one Psych. You have already exposed yourself as someone with knowledge and will be the target of wary Mafiosi.

[White_eyes:D]

Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.
and Ares said this to being busted???

What can I say, I'm just a real honest person:juggle2:
Yeah sure.....:rolleyes:

four things I get from this...
1)Ares choose a bad first day kill. He was busted and was totally screwed.
2)TinCow tried to defend him.....but when things went bad, in order to make it look good, they made slight changes to his real PM and he got thrown under the bus by TinCow.
3)Ares likely was trying to cover TinCow by saying he was a SK.
4)TinCow is clearly his partner or up to no good, his defense of a killer in the write-up is really damning..(I recall Godfather 3 and how I tried to bail out Tevash:shame:) and TinCow is not being his "townie self". He normaly NEVER defends anyone the way he did Ares....:smash:

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:TinCow for reasons above.:smash:

[naut]

Yoyoma who is "exposed" by Psychonaut. We need a little more info on that one Psych. You have already exposed yourself as someone with knowledge and will be the target of wary Mafiosi.
I'll stop stirring my stew to answer you, hey, wait needs more salt and carrots. Notice how down the bottom there's a reference to someone being late since they appear to be drunk. We'll that's got me thinking, and baking; oh gosh these pies are wonderful, just a sprinkle of rosemary. Yes, maybe the discrepancy in kills has something to do with the drunken state of said individuals the next morning? But, I wouldn't have a clue how they got so drunk.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: TinCow
vote: Yoyoma1910

If this is a foolish mafia stunt, you should be next to go, Psychonaut. But with such a reveal, you won't be surviving the night, I am sure.

My offer to be killed this round stands if someone with a duel greater than 2 challenges me, and you get some supporters. Eliminate me as a suspect, or wait and let the mafia kill me.

[boudica]

ooc:
There is little evidence as such about anyone else at the moment (need to hear more about Psychonaut's reasoning please), but given that ATPG's vote is a pressure vote on TinCow to deal with Sasaki's (persistent???) allegations, I find the fact that White_Eyes:D is jumping on 1) without offering anything more than an agreement and 2) Without TinCow having a chance to respond ...more than a little suspicious.

The write-up reveals two killers we have not seen before - one of them a serial killer? / aligned to a different God ay least. At least it looks like Ares was rather obviously an excellent lynch :laugh4:

While the write up maybe useful to us to refer to, I think we should also still keep an eye out for behaviour during the day also. A certain player spent the first day spoiling for a fight and now seems content to bandwagon. Strikes me as a bit suspicious. For now - at least until TinCow has had a chance to speak I shall
vote: abstain


TinCow: 3 (taka, Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes:D)
Yoyoma1910: 1 (Psychonaut)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (CountArach)

Abstain: 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

[Askthepizzaguy]

*nudge* I changed my vote.

[boudica]

:daisy:. Just missed above 2 posts. What's this about drunkenness...?

update tally:

TinCow: 2 (taka, White_Eyes:D)
Yoyoma1910: 2 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (CountArach)

Abstain: 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

[LittleGrizzly]

I think we are really on the wrong track with the TinCow and Yoyoma lynches

Firstly i didn't believe the accusations against Ares either... i was just a bit later getting to the thread, it did seem far too good to be true, but unless something has happened we don't now about... it was true... hardly TinCow's fault for being cautious...

The Yoyoma lynch is based on him being absent for a night ? not worth a lynch at all

Im going to go for White Eyes based on boudica's reason...willingness to bandwagon... not much consideration.... and a lack of anything better...

Vote White Eyes :D

Also slightly suspicious of ATPG seems easily swayed and a little vote jumping...

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is a strong indication from Psychonaut that he got someone drunk a couple nights ago, effectively blocking them from murdering, and now they reek of the finest spirits (or last night they did) as a telltale sign. So, there are two conclusions:

1. Psychonaut is a roleblocker.
2. Psychonaut is a ballsy, ballsy mafioso.

As such, I say we lynch who he says and see what happens, and if we don't get the desired results... string him up! :clown:


@LittleGrizzly

And White_Eyes is innocent. His earlier mistake which exposed me, and he claimed he didn't even know what a mason was, tells me he wasn't thinking or calculating his moves. No mafia would be that brazen to expose a mason who begs and pleads not to be exposed. No mafia would do insane challenges that early in the game.

LittleGrizzly, I highly disagree with your assessment. But then again, I see things from the perspective of a mason who got exposed by the guy. I cannot see a mafia doing that. But if you don't see what I saw first-hand, maybe you think we are both suspect.

:shrug:

I won't defend White_Eyes, but I will suggest he's probably not mafia. Just like Sasaki being innocent for that little cult ruse he played earlier which exposed me as having a "forked tongue" (the same thing I accused him of, by the way :clown:) I just don't see the mafia doing such provocative behavior which is liable to get them investigated, lynched, or duelled to the death.

It's not proof but I think it's more compelling. And Yoyoma is "exposed" somewhat by Psychonaut's role reveal. I mean, who risks the game on a bluffing role reveal? A townie wouldn't screw over another townie like that, and his own team, who would then have to lynch him for such shenanigans, if he didn't have the role. And if he does have a role, he wouldn't blow his cover when he wasn't at least marginally sure of his results.

You don't have to bandwagon, nor do you have to believe what he just revealed; but I'd say a benefit of the doubt is in order, and as such, Yoyoma needs to be at least pressure voted a little. TinCow is also a candidate because Sasaki is a better analyzer than even me, and he pointed the finger at TinCow's objectively different behavior.

Yak yak yak... in spoilers.

[TinCow]

The point is, TinCow defended Ares very energetically, starting almost immediately after the kills were posted (before it was clear Ares would be lynched). Now, anyone who defends someone who turns out to be scum should looked at carefully, but TinCow raises more eyebrows than that because of the contrast it presents with his usual townie style. Despite strong evidence against Ares in the writeup of the host, he was not cautious or measured at all in his defense of him.

This is entirely correct, I was very energetic in my defense of Ares because I felt like he was being bandwagoned to death. I honestly thought he was innocent until late in the day and I didn't see many other people standing up for him. I try to lynch someone I think is guilty every day. I didn't think Ares was guilty, and as such I had to put in a lot of energy into his defense because there was a lot of energy attacking him.


1) "Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares." [/U]

Ares probably being framed would mean that he is possibly innocent. Mafia can frame themselves (unlikely), mafia can frame other mafia (possible), and it could in fact not be a frame at all (likely). And, unless TinCow does not consider himself innocent, he should consider Ares a better lynch than himself.

This is silly. I wasn't at threat of being lynched yesterday, so I had no reason to lynch Ares to save myself. I certainly would have done so if it had been necessary, but it wasn't. Since it wasn't necessary, I was free to vote based on my actual feelings of guilt or innocence, not self-preservation.


2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."

There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?

Sorry, but I simply disagree. I've never even heard of a mafioso being anonymously revealed as a mafioso in a write-up. It seems extremely unbalanced to me and thus I thought it had to be a red herring. This has never happened in any game I have ever played or read, so I stand by my statement that this kind of thing doesn't happen. Obviously I can no longer say that, but it was true to my mind at that time.


3) "If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery."

Multiple people had stated that they were confidant that reenk would have given the mafia fake claims. So TinCow was either ignoring that deliberately, or not being careful and measured.

I was well aware of that, but other people were actively claiming that it was faked. I was refuting their claims as part of my defense of Ares.


To summarize, TinCow acted in a manner very unlike how he acts as town (and how he says he acts as town), in defense of a confessed killer. I think I also see signs of him being annoyed with Ares' being revealed in the writeup on the first day, but this is the kind of thing that triggers my gut, not what I'd use as evidence (because the inevitable defense is nuh-uh, and I can't claim to read minds). However, I think if you take a look at his posts you'd see why I think that.

If you say so. All I did was defend someone I thought was being railroaded to an early grave. No one should be bandwagoned without discussion, especially not on a 'serious' first day, and I didn't see a whole lot of other people discussing it.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Thoughts...

1) I find it interesting that two scribes were offed within two days by a person/persons incapable of writing. This would indicate either the murder was an untutored member of the lower-class, or more likely in my view, an adherent of reading as a virtue... *shudder*

2) Regarding Tincow, personally I think its much ado about nothing. One thing I have noticed about him over the past couple of games is a tendency to advocate for suspects when a bandwagon is in the process of forming. Personally reading through after Aries reveal (although in ignorance of it at the time) I thought he made some very good points. By all means if you think he's guilty vote for him, but not exclusively, and not by a huge margin...

3) If present theory is correct regarding Psychonaut, then Yoyama has questions to answer. Would be my top candidate at this time.

'Khann too has me on edge, but need to double check something before I take that any further.

[Andres]

This is entirely correct, I was very energetic in my defense of Ares because I felt like he was being bandwagoned to death. I honestly thought he was innocent until late in the day and I didn't see many other people standing up for him. I try to lynch someone I think is guilty every day. I didn't think Ares was guilty, and as such I had to put in a lot of energy into his defense because there was a lot of energy attacking him.

What is interesting, is the fact that you rigorously (does that word exist in English?) defended him. Why was his survival so important to you? If you were sure he was innocent, then why not looking for another suspect and trying to convince town to lynch that suspect?

What you did now, was defending one suspect and you had no reasons to be 100 % sure of that suspects' innocence.

The main question is, why was defending Ares so important?


This is silly. I wasn't at threat of being lynched yesterday, so I had no reason to lynch Ares to save myself. I certainly would have done so if it had been necessary, but it wasn't. Since it wasn't necessary, I was free to vote based on my actual feelings of guilt or innocence, not self-preservation.

That's entirely unrelated to what you quoted from Sasaki :inquisitive:



Sorry, but I simply disagree. I've never even heard of a mafioso being anonymously revealed as a mafioso in a write-up. It seems extremely unbalanced to me and thus I thought it had to be a red herring.

I think the write-up was obvious enough. Interpretatio cessat in claris :shrug:


This has never happened in any game I have ever played or read, so I stand by my statement that this kind of thing doesn't happen. Obviously I can no longer say that, but it was true to my mind at that time.

Monsieur is a conservative? ~;p


I was well aware of that, but other people were actively claiming that it was faked. I was refuting their claims as part of my defense of Ares.

If you say so. All I did was defend someone I thought was being railroaded to an early grave. No one should be bandwagoned without discussion, especially not on a 'serious' first day, and I didn't see a whole lot of other people discussing it.

Yes, but the emphasis was too much on the defense of Ares. That in combination with the fact that Ares made it clear with his unnecessary second reveal that he was indeed scum.

Your strong defense of Ares, in the proces not paying attention to other possible suspects and the fact that Ares was as good as certain scum, make you look very suspicious.

Vote : TinCow

ATPG, do you have something to do with the dead of Beefy187, the tax collector? IIRC, I read somewhere that you claimed that your victory condition was to outlive the tax collector.

[TinCow]

Ok, write-up analysis time. There is some interesting info in this one.

Gaius Scribonius Curio was a scribe like TheFlax, though the way the write-up describes it, they did not know each other. The kill was done in exactly the same way as TheFlax: knife into the neck. This makes it likely that it was the same person who made the kill. While this is probably a coincidence, it is odd that this killer has murdered two scribes on successive nights.

Sasaki was walking back to his tent in the write-up, indicating that he was out and active. This indicates that Sasaki had a role. Sasaki himself claims he was a doctor:


hmm, I was this close to choosing to protect beefy last night.

There may be some truth to this, because the killer says that Sasaki had "healing abilities." However, it is stated in a manner that indicates that Sasaki could use those abilities on himself, which is not typical of a doctor. Instead, this seems like a reference to a battle ability or some other kind of unusual immunity to death. Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:


OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."


This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.

Finally, we have Beefy's death. He appears to have been the taxman. ATPG knew who the taxman was and said that he wanted him dead. While there is nothing in that write-up to show that ATPG was the killer, it seems likely that ATPG either killed him directly, or gave his identity out to someone who did kill him. Either way, ATPG is either a killer or is in contact with someone who is a killer. Therefore:

Vote: ATPG

ATPG, if you did not kill Beefy, perhaps you would like to let us know who else knew about his identity?

[CountArach]

What is interesting, is the fact that you rigorously (does that word exist in English?) defended him.
Yep, indeed it does.

Why was his survival so important to you? If you were sure he was innocent, then why not looking for another suspect and trying to convince town to lynch that suspect?
I'm not sure this is a valid attack of TinCow to be honest. Defending someone you consider innocent is just as valid as attacking someone you consider guilty. Now, was the evidence stacked in favour of Ares being guilty? Yes, absolutely. However, claiming that defending an innocent is counter-productive is the sort of play that doesn't really get us anywhere.

I'm not entirely sure TinCow is guilty myself. The entire case is based off of his defence of Ares. Now, if the two of them were Mafia, I think TinCow would hang Ares willingly with the realisation that defending someone who is practically guaranteed to be guilty is a sure-fire way of getting attention draw to yourself. I find it implausible to suggest this is WIFOM.

Something to mull over with ATPG though is his apparent missing of the evidence that Ares was guilty at the start of the first day phase. He was going his own way for a bit, perhaps in an effort to deflect away from it? Then again I may just be searching for evidence where there is none. Still, it seems very un-ATPG to me. But I also don't think ATPG is worthy of the lynch (He convinced me of as much over MSN), instead someone with a higher challenge rating should challenge him to a duel. If he refuses, we can lynch him later...

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Abstain - at least for now...

[Reenk Roink]

All though the writeup says Sasaki got killed, he is not on the list of dead people. Neither is he removed from the list of the living.
[edit]: reading the second thread, I notice that Sasaki indeed is on the dead list. Apparently RR just made a mistake.

This was a mistake. Sorry.

[TinCow]

Further ponderings:

Previously, Sasaki said he attempted to see if ATPG was scummy by pretending to be:


I'm a cultist bent on destroying the town

I win by killing everyone except my recruits.

In hindsight, seeing as Sasaki apparently worshiped an evil god, this might actually have been true. This is, IMHO, an unbelievably brilliant play. What better way to cover your own butt than to intentionally volunteer your own role, but in a manner that is seen as a pro-town bluff rather than a true reveal? If he was really recruiting, this would also be a useful means of getting the word out to potential recruits without revealing himself. Anyone who knew to look for a recruiter would instantly know to contact Sasaki, yet the town would not lynch him for it.

Also, regarding yoyoma, it does indeed appear that he was blocked on a night when there were two kills. One of these was Ares, so we essentially have two new killers last night. One of these IMO is a vigilante kill on Sasaki, and the other is the death of the taxman. This would indicate that yoyoma was either a vigilante or the killer of the taxman. ATPG can probably clear this up for us, as he should know who knew about Beefy's role. ATPG: did yoyoma know that beefy was the taxman?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

:daisy:.....:daisy:.....:daisy:.....:daisy:

I believe our host has set us all up for one :daisy: of a ride.* There's too much wool and too few eyes all the way around.


Sasaki seems the doctor, and is killed by a supernatural. He makes a good case against Tincow -- whose tone WAS different on day one, though his pattern (double-checking bandwagons, lloking for responses) is more or less normal.

Tincow makes a good case that Sasaki's goddess was not necessarily on a good guy team, so Sasaki's killer may not be a bad guy (though I read Sasaki's killer as being there for his own reasons and NOT caring about the town either way).

The Knife Killer with the disturbing interest in writing implements has killed a scribe and a writer in as many days. Methinks our resident poet had best look to his defense!

Pizza said he wanted a tax collector dead before he went. He has, now, apparently had his wish granted. Pizza, you seem to be PMing all and sundry, did you I.D. the Beefster via PM exchange? With a dead tax collector, that part of your mission is fulfilled, no?

Our cook stirs up headaches that get in the way? Or so it seems.

Our Village Idiot had a "Gotcha" tracer on him for vengeance against whomever aced him?

Ares confessed to being an S/K....as his defense?....


Riddles, wrapped in enigmas, stuffed into conundra. Reenk, you should be beaten about the head and neck.*


* Note: this griping should be translated as high praise to a host who has given us quite a challenge

Vote: Abstain whilst I consider further

[Yoyoma1910]

Three kills tonight, oh yes'm, by all the pie and apple crumble in my kitchen I hereby vote Yoyoma1910. Seems, I might say, you were too busy hitting the sauce two nights ago to perform your devious actions; yes the devious, most horrid action you undertook last night.

Actually, young man, I think you should read that line a little better and more completely.

I further say that you would be foolish to vote for this decent man... he of the metal cow.

I would even further say I was quite right that the poor Tax Collector was simply a man who worked for our society, perhaps too well. I am suspicious of those who wished him dead.

[naut]

Actually, young man, I think you should read that line a little better and more completely.
Don't take me too seriously, I was just trying to get a reaction from you. And anyway it is easy to confirm whether you were actually active or not.

[Yoyoma1910]

I too find the Tax Collector's death a bit sad and suspicious.


Is it a vendetta fulfilled?


vote: ATPG

[Yoyoma1910]

Repost to make it a legal vote


Vote: ATPG

[LittleGrizzly]

Those who suspect the Ares TinCow link... there is one HUGE flaw in your logic...

Why the hell would Ares confess after TinCow defended him, surely Ares would warn his mafia buddies if he was to do something like a confession, and TinCow would have probably instantly vetoed any decision to confess...

It simply doesn't work that TinCow would allow such a strategy as it is obviously counter productive and puts him in a bad light...

I also defended Ares on the logic that it was too good to be true, does that mean i am guilty as well ?

GH himself is also not sure....

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173405&postcount=333

¨Unvote: Ares
Vote: FactionHeir

Don't like it.¨

Yoyoma isn't sure

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2173417&postcount=339

It is true that the gentleman known as Ares may have been framed, but it is also quite possible that he is guilty of the murder of this poor, simple farmer. Have any of you a better way of finding the truth than mere speculation?


So me Tincow GH and Yoyoma are all on the same mafia team as ares... and thats why we were trying to save our buddy....

Or maybe there isn't some super over powered mafia team and it is perfectly acceptable to look at the write up and say its too good to be true... its generally a good rule to follow... if people had followed it in Midgaard II then the town would never have lost...

[seireikhaan]

These new events strikes me as awry.
That so many in one night would die.
I hope less die in vain
And so I shall Abstain
The town has dear need of an ally.

[seireikhaan]

I am most confused
LittleGrizzly is correct
Yet TinCow was strange.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, do you have something to do with the dead of Beefy187, the tax collector? IIRC, I read somewhere that you claimed that your victory condition was to outlive the tax collector.

Not in the slightest. I don't have night kill ability, and if I did, I wouldn't use it on a townie.

I know, right now, at this moment, I look like a jerk because I said a mason victory condition was to outlast the Tax Collector. Unfortunately beefy187 did leave clues here in the thread, and after I said the masons would like to outlast him, someone decided they would also like to see him go and destroyed him. That's after I decided to drop my vendetta against him and keep his identity a secret.

If I were mafia, I just pulled one of the dumbest moves known to man; tell someone I want them dead, and then kill them. I beg your indulgence for a moment: I am not that stupid. I take calculated risks, not ones which will ruin my already fragile credibility. If you ask Beefy187, he would even tell you that I am innocent in this matter. Just very, very bad timing is all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh for the love of monkeys. I just read these accusations against me.

spoilered to keep the thread clean.
Fellows. Seriously. I know I post a lot, and it's annoying, but do read my posts. Yes, the masons had an objective to outlast the Tax Collector. But when I stated this, there was an anti-Pizzaguy backlash because I was risking the game on a pro-mason side objective. Then I go and kill the Tax Collector??? As a MAFIA???? I offered to die via a duel anyway. Please, for the love of crumbs, read my offer, accept my offer, don't waste a valuable lynch on ME when we have a pro-town role revealing the idea that he might have found one of the killers.

At least, at least, at least, AT LEAST make sure both of us are dead, not just me. Seriously. And would you, please, just once, throw poor old pizzaguy a bone known as the benefit of the doubt?

It seems, as I said earlier, no matter what I do, no matter how risky or suicidal my play, no matter how much I really stick my neck out there for the town, I always must be guilty, even though the odds of me being guilty are the same as yours. And in this game, my innocence is all but PROVEN by the fact that I fell for Sasaki's ruse; PROVEN by the fact that I revealed as a Mason when I didn't HAVE to (but panicked and did anyway), PROVEN by the fact that I protected the identity of Beefy even when it was my mission to outlast him, and PROVEN by the fact that I volunteered to die on the first round, and on this round, via a duel that I couldn't possibly win, to prove my innocence and not waste a lynch.

If you STILL think I am scum, why not show me some respect for these otherwise ballsy and brilliant scummy maneuvers? I seriously could never come up with anything this outrageous or extraordinary. And you guys always spot me so quickly if I am the mafia. If there's a doubt in your mind that I am the mafia, listen to it. The doubt is right. I'll post my full role PM, not that it matters since it can be forged.

Well I could, if I hadn't deleted it for a second time due to my inbox being full :wall: from all the mafia games I am hosting and all the communications I had between myself and my partner, who I am dying to reveal to you because I am suspicious of him. He's the only one I told Beefy's identity to, and as I told Sasaki; I no longer buy that even if I am innocent, that makes him innocent. But on the hope that I haven't been royally screwed over, and because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt until they've had a chance to explain themselves, I won't be betraying my partner and revealing him to all of you right now. Give me a day or two to determine his innocence or guilt myself, and if my suspicions go unresolved, I'll give him to you.

So, if Reenk could beg my indulgence and send that role PM a third time... :no:

My inbox just got increased to 400, so I can keep it this time.

[Yoyoma1910]

Pizza, I have read your posts.


You played the role of a Venus fly trap quite well.

Now your objective is complete, and a man working for the settlement has died, as you desired. Maybe you didn't kill him, but perhaps your dear partner did? I don't know, but you used deceit to achieve your goal, why should you be trusted now? You say you're innocent, why? Because you've already said thoroughly you're innocent? What kind of a defense is that? Especially when you also said that someone who trusted you enough to give you their information was a target for you?

There is a saying, you know, young man:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Too much to read, and today is my busy day. Will look over things in greater detail later.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, I have read your posts.


You played the role of a Venus fly trap quite well.

Now your objective is complete, and a man working for the settlement has died, as you desired. Maybe you didn't kill him, but perhaps your dear partner did? I don't know, but you used deceit to achieve your goal, why should you be trusted now? You say you're innocent, why? Because you've already said thoroughly you're innocent? What kind of a defense is that? Especially when you also said that someone who trusted you enough to give you their information was a target for you?

There is a saying, you know, young man:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Once again I am made into the target. No more.

I have the perfect solution to our little problem, mister Yoyoma. You seem to think I am guilty, but you failed to back it up with the actions of a townie.

Challenge: Yoyoma1910. yes, even with my miserable duel rating. I am ready to die. But I don't believe you're ready to give a townie the benefit of the doubt, nor do I believe you're willing to actually listen to what I have to say. To me, that signals a closed-minded townie at best, or a mafia at worst.

And I think you need to be lynched this round, Yoyoma1910, after my death.

[Yoyoma1910]

Oh, I have listened to what you said.

And so have others, such as our dear taxman.


But I will not fall into your little trap, no matter how you bait it.


Reject: Pizza


You used the trust given to you to achieve selfish goals, you even acknowledged that. Your words are tainted. And I would say it is you who playing the close-minded one, as you only seem to be listening to yourself.

Young man, you are bringing no good upon this settlement.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you believe me to be guilty, why not finish me off? How could you possibly be afraid of someone with a 2 for a duel rating? Either accept my challenge or remove your vote from me. You cannot fire accusations at me, vote for my lynch, and then hide from the consequences.

I am ready to die for my mistakes so far this game. Why, then, are you not ready to deal with the consequences of accusing me? Why do you not want to take a shot at eliminating what has to be your TOP SUSPECT, since you're voting for me?

I am just roleplaying here, so make no mistake: :bow:

I find your accusation, and your attempt to flee from a fight, to be the actions of a cowardly old man.

[shlin28]

Why are you so insitent on being dueled instead of lynched ATPG? We can duel Tincow and lynch you instead...

However, because I like law and order and other vague concepts like them, I feel I have no choice but to Challenge: ATPG
and Vote: Abstain

Cos I don't have time to reread yet.

[Yoyoma1910]

I know, it's all role play. ~:)

Oh, is that it?


You want a feeble old man to accept your challenge? As proof of your innocence? Bah.


You've already made your bed, now go to sleep in it. I'll have you know the Tax Collector was a dear friend of mine! Blast you, and your secret society to the west wind!

Go hang yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

However, because I like law and order and other vague concepts like them, I feel I have no choice but to Challenge: ATPG
and Vote: Abstain

Reject: shlin28

Because I don't know your duel rating is enough to destroy me outright. Please tell me what it is in private or I won't accept. Also, I am not accepting challenges unless what was it, 5 people stepped forward and wanted me dead? As it stands, Sasaki and beefy don't even want me dead, white_eyes doesn't, and two of them challenged me and one of them might even want revenge for possibly (even though I didn't) betraying him. I am ready to die, just not on a whim. I wanted to see how Yoyoma would react to the challenge. He reacted like classic mafia who was cornered.

Withdraw: Yoyoma1910
Because he rejected my challenge in disgrace. :smash:

Just like I rejected Sasaki's challenge in disgrace, then accepted it in disgrace, then rejected it in disgrace, then accepted it in disgrace.... :laugh4:

Wait-
You're friends with the tax collector?? One moment. *pulls Yoyoma1910 aside*

[shlin28]

Fine... Withdraw: ATPG

*trudges back to the guard post feeling cheated out of a fight*

[Yoyoma1910]

You sir, are the coward!


You have done enough baiting for a life time! How dare you accuse me of anything?


Dwadle peasant, don't touch me.

[seireikhaan]

I fear my life may soon be at stake,
As such, a challenge I want to make,
I Challenge: Pizzaguy.
Though I wish neither die,
I hope, of this challenge you will take.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine... Withdraw: ATPG

*trudges back to the guard post feeling cheated out of a fight*

I told you the conditions of my accepting your challenge. I believe, based on your roleplay, you've got a significant duel rating. But if you are a valuable townie, I want to make sure that I have no chance of eliminating you in the duel, none within the realm of reasonable likelihood.

As for Yoyoldman, (kidding, we both know I'm kidding :bow:) I challenge you to a fight to the death and you call me a coward? Come back here and fight like a man!


Seireikhaan, I'd need to know your duel rating before I accept. See me in private.

Can I assume that seireikhaan and shlin28 both want to see me die in a duel? Give me three more supporters and you got it, folks. But you know, it's not a good idea to cast me aside so soon when you could have used me as murder bait.

[Yoyoma1910]

I say string him up!


He's too lowly for the sword.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That won't be necessary. Seireikhaan has convinced me to duel him.

Accept: Seireikhaan

No further votes on me will be needed. I will not reject this challenge unless Seireikhaan asks me to do so. I am sure I will die tonight.


(Seireikhaan, proper format is Challenge: Askthepizzaguy)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: ATPG

This is purely out of protest that you continue to insist that you hold as much information as possible about the rest of us privately. Yes, yes, I know your defense. I'm sticking to my position.

Also, I don't want FH to slide by either.

[Thermal]

oh yeah so i was mafia and my mafia buddies were reenk, ares number 2 and and him, yes him!

or not....

[Yoyoma1910]

No, I demand justice.


I will not waist my vote on a man who may or may not have blood on his hands, instead I shall retain my vote against thee, in case you are as strong a deceiver as you have already proven yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: ATPG

I think it's silly to waste your vote on me now. Seireikhaan has a reasonable chance of killing me tonight in a duel. But do as you like.

:smash:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will have to reconsider my accusation of TinCow. His actions are still not his usual townie self, but I think I was overeager to attach that to his defense of Ares. They aren't necessarily connected and I haven't given enough thought to alternative explanations. I would say to unvote TinCow.

*****

Yoyoma was roleblocked night one, and then there was an extra kill night 2. I don't see this as suspicious. If I was roleblocked I would not kill the next night for sake of revealing myself, and this Pisuf character does not seem to be your standard killer. We don't know what role he plays in this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: Yoyoma1910
vote: Abstain

Sigh... until we find a better suspect. :no:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki was walking back to his tent in the write-up, indicating that he was out and active. This indicates that Sasaki had a role. Sasaki himself claims he was a doctor:



There may be some truth to this, because the killer says that Sasaki had "healing abilities." However, it is stated in a manner that indicates that Sasaki could use those abilities on himself, which is not typical of a doctor. Instead, this seems like a reference to a battle ability or some other kind of unusual immunity to death. Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:



This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.

Read again:


Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

OsiOsi protected reenk against Vode, and Kefy is an ally of OsiOsi (perhaps a couple). There is nothing in that writeup to make Kefy look evil, and trying to twist "healing abilities" into something sinister is laughable.

OsiOsi has little love for Pisuf:


You know I have little love for Pisuf,



In hindsight, seeing as Sasaki apparently worshiped an evil god, this might actually have been true. This is, IMHO, an unbelievably brilliant play. What better way to cover your own butt than to intentionally volunteer your own role, but in a manner that is seen as a pro-town bluff rather than a true reveal? If he was really recruiting, this would also be a useful means of getting the word out to potential recruits without revealing himself. Anyone who knew to look for a recruiter would instantly know to contact Sasaki, yet the town would not lynch him for it.



More out of character reckless assumptions. I feel like you are overreacting to my attack on you, perhaps in self defense, but still...


*******

I find Andres post to be out of character and a bit scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Puppet will dance for Grandmaster Sasaki of the Kojiro clan. He's more brilliant and devious than me, and so I'll act as his voting power for as long as I am alive. (not much longer)

unvote: Abstain
vote: Andres

[TheFlax]

I know my reply is a bit late coming, but I'd like to delve more on the gods.

First off I'll address TinCow's analysis of the gods and then I'll make my own.


Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:


OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.


I disagree strongly with the above assessment of Kefy and Pisuf.

In the case of Kefy, the quoted sentences used to "prove" she is evil and an ally of Vode doesn't actually mean much. Both gods are only linked by the fact they complain when their mortal servants are foiled (and presumably killed), that does in no way mean they share the same objectives.


Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

This part of the write up leads me to believe Kefy may be the mate/wife of OsiOsi, but that's only a theory. Taken in another sense, it could just mean she and OsiOsi share a similar attitude or personality. This links her as much to OsiOsi as to Vode (if not more), if we follow TinCow's argument above. Furthermore, it is revealed here that Kefy is the goddess of the earth, so she is probably some sort of earth mother/nature goddess. From these two assessments, I tend to believe that Kefy is either neutral, as in uncaring of the settlement, or good, which jives with the idea of Sasaki Kojiro having a doctor role.

Now, Pisuf. We don't have much information, but I don't believe he is pro-town just because pevergreen revealed Ares. Remember pevergreen's reveal after he had died:


I am the village idiot! I ask lots of questions and annoy people a lot. They try to kill me before the god Pisuf takes me away and puts me somewhere else, thus continuing the cycle. This time, Pisuf got his powers taken away by the other gods, so being his chosen one doesnt help anymore (He considered me the greatest human alive)

And now recall the way in which Pisuf killed Sasaki Kojiro. (reposted here for your convenience)


Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.

As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.

How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."

Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"

Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"

The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."

"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."

Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.

Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!

He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.

The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"

"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."

Pisuf is likely some sort of god of chaos. His chosen one is a village idiot who annoys people with random questions. The method Pisuf chose to kill seemed also to have been chosen not only to negate Sasaki Kojiro's healing ability, but also for humor. (While other kills were more straightforward.) Pisuf may be some sort of trickster (uses shapeshifting, then again, in more than a few mythos many gods did) or even mischievous, but I doubt he is either "good" or "evil".

As for this line from OsiOsi:


You know I have little love for Pisuf

This to me confirms Pisuf as some sort of chaotic god. OsiOsi as king of the gods dislikes chaos and is a proponent of order. By saving Reenk Roink, OsiOsi enforces the rules he has set upon the other gods:


In the Forest of the Gods, the god of wars and foreign peoples watched with a tinge of disappointment as the priest king Reenk Roink continued to walk about the earth. He turned to the god of the sky and questioned: "Why did you save him?"

OsiOsi, the king of the gods replied: "It is not for you to affect a matter that I have forbidden to the gods. You know well enough that you must act through your followers. If you plot anything Vode, know well that I also plot, and I am the best plotter."

What nags me though is why Pisuf is allowed to meddle directly? If OsiOsi has ruled that the gods must act through their follows, why is he opposed to punishing Pisuf for directly killing Kefy's follower? Perhaps Pisuf's actions fall into OsiOsi's greater plan or something like that. For now, we can only speculate on the matter.

I think I'm going to stop here for now, as this post is turning to be pretty long without also analyzing OsiOsi and Vode. I think most of us agree on their respective roles anyways. As for TinCow's theory that the gods are in fact each players, I'm really not sure at this point. It could be just as much as it could not be...

[Yoyoma1910]

I personally imagine a goddess of nature would not want people settling in her land.

[Thermal]

I find Andres post to be out of character and a bit scummy.

I'm still watching this game and I'm surprised you didn't expand on this point :thinking:

[Jolt]

My thoughts: Well several things. I still give TinCow the benefit of doubt. If Ares wasn't innocent (Which is basically proven he was not), there might have been one less kill today, yet we now have 3 kills today, so it might have been that Ares was innocent (But he confessed so that chance is out). So, TinCow's odd defence of a confessed SK still remains (Maybe he's his partner? But that would be suicidal since Ares was already doomed and his confession would greatly shift the blame to TinCow, however most people seem to think that TinCow wouldn't do such a strategy as being too risky. I don't know. If TinCow is Ares' partner and we let him go, it basically means he might have a "Get Out of Lynch" card until late game). Sasaki has been the man who I have shared my views with, the most. While I wouldn't press for his lynching (Heck, he might have defended Ares out of his chance for being framed) and would continue giving him the benefit of doubt for another day, Sasaki's attack seems to make him follower of some kind of evil god (Or one which takes attacks on its followers very seriously), I don't know what to make of him. Quite possibly he's innocent? Now the most odd behaviour I have been seeing is of ATPG. It has been quite strange that beefy (Who was the Tax Collector) was the man who ATPG wanted murdered. Odd enough, ATPG and his colleague whoever he is, got to know that beefy was the Tax Collector, but they (Who originally wanted him dead) were protecting him (Why?). Then he ends up dead, as ATPG said he wanted and he quickly dismissed himself from having had anything to do with his death, and hints at the blame being with his colleague, which also remains hidden. Then he begins once again on his trek of Challenging, Accepting and Rejecting duels. If anything ATPG, you're only serving to confuse the townies greatly. I was gonna vote abstain, but your behaviour is too confusing to be of benefit to the town. You claim to be town, but you continually try to remain secret of everyone related to you, which coincidentally might be Mafia (Considering you aren't, which is a long shot as well)

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gah! :wall:

I'm dead in the duel tonight, which I accepted and will not reject. What is your response to that? No benefit of the doubt at all, huh? No other suspects besides me, eh? If you want to waste a vote on me, go right ahead.

Here; unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

Sorry Sasaki, you'll have to find a new puppet. Can we move on from my supposed guilt now? I'm now dead two ways, lynch and duel. Maybe if I survive, I'll murder myself because it's so painfully obvious I couldn't be anything else besides a mafioso.

:wall:




In the words of the Immortal Dr. Evil:

http://wavcentral.com/sounds/movies/austin/throw_bone.wav

http://www.fulltimecasual.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/800px-dr_evil.jpg

[Jolt]

No ATPG, I was gonna vote abstain, but in the lack of a better candidate, and since you are confusing the heck out of me (I'm not sure whether you're Mafia or not), I'd better use my lynch vote on you. If you were innocent, then you were confusing me too much. If you were Mafia, then awesome and we got ourselves a lynch. Since you have a suposed colleague who you refuse to reveal, and provided that he was the one with the kill abillity, and since he isn't being suspected, your death might be good in the long run for your possible Mafia objectives.

I'm honestly too confused but it makes sense to me.

EDIT: Can you tell me how you and/or your colleague ended up knowing beefy was the Tax Collector, then that might be a start. As things are you aren't helping one bit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm revealing who my partner is to the dead person I consider to be the most innocent, Sasaki Kojiro.


Happy now? By the way, see above post.

[TinCow]

I'm revealing who my partner is to the dead person I consider to be the most innocent, Sasaki Kojiro.

You consider Sasaki more innocent than pevergreen? :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I consider him innocent for a number of reasons. He played a suicidal ruse against me by claiming cult. Then, he risked looking like a scumbag by going after you and hammering you well past the point of my suspecting him and posting a case against him. Finally, he's dead, and he was murdered.

If anyone in this game deserves a "frickin' bone" :laugh2:, it's Sasaki. Even more than I do.

[Yoyoma1910]

Or Beefy or either of the scribes?


More edit:

Sasiki was killed under questionable circumstances.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yup. listen, y'all had your chance, but none of you would give me the benefit of the doubt. Only Sasaki has given me that, and as such, he's worthy of the info.

[Yoyoma1910]

Interesting. So this phrase doesn't concern you as towards what were Sasiki's intentions?



"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."


edit:

Oh how the busy bees love the scent of flowered words.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think it's silly to suspect me when it was just shown that I was not a follower of Vode. Furthermore, if I was the leader of some sort of evil "healing" cult, the cult would be ended by my death.

However, I feel it is in the best interest of the town to reveal who Pizza's partner is. Here's the pm exchange:

:laugh4: just kidding pizza...

[Askthepizzaguy]

NOOOOOO SASAKI YOU TRAITOR!!!!


I'm cleaning the house now. Won't be changing my vote or unaccepting the duel challenge either. I'm officially neutered.

[Yoyoma1910]

Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.

As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.

How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."

Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"

Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"

The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."

"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."

Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.

Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!

He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.

The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"

"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."

You were following the goddess of nature. Your healing abilities were likely tied to touching the soil.

Pisuf says that he has done us a favor.



Deep in the Divine Forest the earth goddess watched as her chosen one was killed in such a bizarre manner. Burning with rage she snapped to the sky god: "Destroy that fool!"

OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

The earth goddess glared angrily...

OsisOsi scolds your god, and is impressed by the work of Pisuf.

[Thermal]

NOOOOOO SASAKI YOU TRAITOR!!!!


I'm cleaning the house now. Won't be changing my vote or unaccepting the duel challenge either. I'm officially neutered.

You'll so wish you hadn't said that! Signature meet ATPG, Vica Versa :grin2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You were following the goddess of nature. Your healing abilities were likely tied to touching the soil.

Yes...healing abilities


Pisuf says that he has done us a favor.


The nude unicyclist’s eyes widened. “YOU LEAD US ALL INTO THE GRAVE!” he boomed in an unearthly monotone.

:2thumbsup:


Deep in the Divine Forest the earth goddess watched as her chosen one was killed in such a bizarre manner. Burning with rage she snapped to the sky god: "Destroy that fool!"

OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

The earth goddess glared angrily...



OsisOsi scolds your god, and is impressed by the work of Pisuf.

OsiOsi is scolding my god for snapping at him and demanding he kill Pisuf.

OsiOsi is impressed with Pisuf's work and decisions and that is why he isn't going to punish him for killing the agent of Klefy--this clearly indicates that the decisions OsiOsi is impressed with are separate from last nights killing. It's like saying "I don't particularly like cutler, but he's a good quarterback, one of the best in the league. I'm not going to trade him just for whining a lot".

[Thermal]

I think sasaki only wanted me dead in this game because of the unicycle incidence. :laugh4:
And you ignored one of my other posts earlier on That I addressed you with..... :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, we must answer the questions of the confirmed and confessed anti-townies. :inquisitive: Meh, whatever, couldn't hurt I suppose. But it's distracting, and a lower-priority.

You know, I don't mind being quoted. I'm already in Reenk Roink's harem in CountArach's signature, I'm neutered in yours, and I'm vehemently calling Sasaki Kojiro a guy with a forked tongue in his previous signature. Mmmm... nice to know people are hearing me, even if they don't listen. :laugh4:

[Yoyoma1910]

Yes...healing abilities

OsiOsi is scolding my god for snapping at him and demanding he kill Pisuf.



1. Personal healing abilities likely.


2. And in the same line likened you to Vode. As in You and vode are complaining about loosing their servants... as in You and Ares.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

1. Personal healing abilities likely.

Evil personal healing abilities? You are basing this statement on what? That the pisuf didn't say "I'm going to kill you, so don't try using your healing abilities on anyone else?"


2. And in the same line likened you to Vode. As in You and vode are complaining about loosing their servants... as in You and Ares.

Klefy and vode are complaining about losing there servants. Klefy and Vode are both gods. This is all you have said. :coffeenews:

[FactionHeir]

vote yoyoma
Because of what psycho said - and because I think ATPG is not anti town.

[TheFlax]

2. And in the same line likened you to Vode. As in You and vode are complaining about loosing their servants... as in You and Ares.

Not this again... Pifus likened Kefy to OsiOsi also. Kefy and Vode both whining about their agents being killed doesn't make them the best of friends. There is little conclusive evidence to go on, but Kefy is looking to be at the very least neutral.

[FactionHeir]

In regards to Pisuf doing mortals a favor:

1. Which mortals? The servants of Vode who are also mortal? A certain faction of mortals?
2. Pisuf might be mafia and added that sentence in their own writeup addendum. Dn't see why they wouldn't/couldn't

[TinCow]

TheFlax does have a point. The write-up can be interpreted to show both Pisuf and Kefy as relatively neutral. This would also be a balanced role distribution for gameplay purposes. One good god, one evil god, and two neutrals is just as balanced (if not more balanced) than two good gods and two evil gods.

[Askthepizzaguy]

reposted with permission from TheFlax


TheFlax
either yoyoma is shady or his logic is profoundly misguided
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
He's shady
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
I dont trust him
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
look how he backed away from my challenge.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com says:
and wont change his vote off of me

[Thermal]

FAKEFAKERFAKIESTvote: ATPG

[FactionHeir]

vote: ATPG

Ehm, you are dead.

[Thermal]

Ehm, you are dead.

Your point being? :inquisitive:

[FactionHeir]

You can't vote.

[Thermal]

You can't vote.

Sure I can't :inquisitive:


:inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote Count:

Pizza: 8 (TinCow, Yoyoma(2),GH(2),Jolt(2),Pizza)
Tincow: 3(taka, White_eyes,Andres)
Yoyoma: 2(Psychonaut,FactionHeir)
White_eyes: 1(Little_Grizzly)

Abstain: (Lord Winter,boudica,CountArach,Seamus,khaan(2),shlin)

Challenges:

Khaan challenges pizza
Pizza accepts


Sooo...why are we lynching someone who is going to duel and has claimed a score of 2?


TinCow and yoyo are both...weird, but I would advocate a lynching of Andres today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not changing my vote either, if it matters.

And you need to unbold your vote, Ares, or else you need to claim that you can vote past death. Illegal votes confuse the host.

[FactionHeir]

Why Andres, because of alphabetical order? :laugh4:
I thought someone voted him already but don't see him on your tally.

[TheFlax]

Yes, why Andres?

And all this desire to kill ATPG makes absolutely no sense to me....

[Thermal]

I'm still watching this game and I'm surprised you didn't expand on this point :thinking:

Sasaki?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki encouraged us to vote for Andres. I voted for Andres. I would vote for Andres, but apparently I'm a bigger suspect.

I unvoted Andres, and I'm voting me for the rest of the round.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki?

What do you care? :fishing:

[Jolt]

How's the tally?

EDIT: Nevermind, didn't see Sasaki's tally above.

I'm debating on whether or not I should abstain. If we keep ATPG, we might keep either a confusing Mafioso or a confusing townie. >_> (Provided he rejects the duel)

I'm on the same page as TheFlax for as to the Andres matter.
Sasaki, Andres should be voted for?

Btw ATPG, is this a game which shall be touched by...Midas? :P

[Thermal]

What do you care? :fishing:

So your not giving a reason? :inquisitive: meh fine I just doubt all of town will follow you if you don't have a reason, I will dead vote andres if you give a reason :beam:

[FactionHeir]

How's the tally?

A few posts before yours.

[shlin28]

Unvote: Abstain, Vote: Andres.

Busy ATM, will try to post more when I got more time.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How's the tally?

EDIT: Nevermind, didn't see Sasaki's tally above.

I'm debating on whether or not I should abstain. If we keep ATPG, we might keep either a confusing Mafioso or a confusing townie. >_> (Provided he rejects the duel)

I'm on the same page as TheFlax for as to the Andres matter.
Sasaki, Andres should be voted for?


He's too quiet and his last post (I mean the accusation of TinCow doesn't seem to flow naturally. It seems a bit constructed, like he was putting it together rather than writing his own thoughts.

Sigurd is being a bit too quiet for my taste as well...granted we lynched him for lurking last game :juggle2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

MIDAS isn't constructed yet, firstly, and when it is, I will be testing it without actually using it in games. I refuse to sabotage a game on an experimental analysis device for my own amusement.

I'll use the old fashioned method, and make a note of what MIDAS says. If MIDAS fails to nail even one mafia, then I won't be using it.

Ares, either CLAIM the ability to vote while dead, or edit your post, please.

If you all unvote me, I will not reject the duel. Of course, I won't be rejecting the duel anyway. My life is in Seireikhaan's hands, it's no longer my choice. It's also in your hands, and I won't plead for my life. I am happy with death, as it will eliminate me as a suspect and hopefully lend some credibility to my efforts so far.

[Jolt]

bleh, the way I see it, he made a regular accusation, somewhat less aggressive than your original one. About the quietness, yeap, but then again I thought Andres was too quiet on the Godfather and thought that was a sign that he was the Godfather. But since we have so little clues, I suppose that is a valid argument.. He's far away from my suspects list though, at least for now.

[Thermal]

MIDAS isn't constructed yet, firstly, and when it is, I will be testing it without actually using it in games. I refuse to sabotage a game on an experimental analysis device for my own amusement.

I'll use the old fashioned method, and make a note of what MIDAS says. If MIDAS fails to nail even one mafia, then I won't be using it.

Ares, either CLAIM the ability to vote while dead, or edit your post, please.

If you all unvote me, I will not reject the duel. Of course, I won't be rejecting the duel anyway. My life is in Seireikhaan's hands, it's no longer my choice. It's also in your hands, and I won't plead for my life. I am happy with death, as it will eliminate me as a suspect and hopefully lend some credibility to my efforts so far.
I unbolded it :tumbleweed:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Ares:

You're officially neutered.

:laugh4:

[Thermal]

Hey Ares:

You're officially neutered.

:laugh4:

laugh all you like, but you're glued to my signature in the most embarrassing way for 15 days :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Listen, when you put your Balzac on the line every game the way I do, you're bound to get neutered.

And you can quote me on that, too.

[Thermal]

Listen, when you put your Balzac on the line every game the way I do, you're bound to get neutered.

And you can quote me on that, too.

:laugh4: sorry one at a time, tempting though, anyway to make this post constructive I will officially announce I was a Cereal Killer with a difference, all players named 'cookie crisp' 'Kellogg's cornflakes' or 'weetabix' die on the next round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, believe me I completely understand. That Balzac quote is quite a mouthful.

[Yoyoma1910]

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!
He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.

The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"

"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."

The healing abilities mentioned only seem to affect whether or not you yourself would live. There is nothing mentioned that would imply anything else. To defeat you Pisuf transformed you into a fish, and submerged you in water, which you suffocated in. Which would imply that by removing your from land and placing you in water you were unable to preserve yourself.


I'm not saying whether Pisuf or Klefy or neutral or not. I'm saying that your death does not confirm you as working for the settlers. And quite likely if your goddess's goal is to preserve and defend nature, I would imagine your goal would be to hinder their progress.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I would agree with the idea of Pisuf and Kefy being relatively neutral Gods with their own agendas, but it is impossible to be sure.

Just something to consider from the write-up. My death, and I believe The Flax's as well, involved a message being left for us to read, before our stabbing. This would suggest the killer was educated, thus one of the 'Good Men'. More importantly the killer seems rather pleased with himself for having killed two (relatively) lowly scribes, lending further weight to the suggestion that he was a 'reader'. The one problem with this idea is that I don't see how they could successfully locate two scribes so quickly, particularly since neither myself nor The Flax appear to given away any obvious clues in thread prior to our deaths.

Thats all I've got for now. back later.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Not this again... Pifus likened Kefy to OsiOsi also. Kefy and Vode both whining about their agents being killed doesn't make them the best of friends. There is little conclusive evidence to go on, but Kefy is looking to be at the very least neutral.


I would not be concerned with this argument over kefy and the other gods. Remember how Pizza had it as a goal to eliminate the tax collector? A side goal from his main one? Some people have an "anti-religion/anti-gods" side goal...so I have gathered, and the increasingly pedantic arguments put forward by a few people in the thread support that idea.

[TheFlax]

Just something to consider from the write-up. My death, and I believe The Flax's as well, involved a message being left for us to read, before our stabbing. This would suggest the killer was educated, thus one of the 'Good Men'. More importantly the killer seems rather pleased with himself for having killed two (relatively) lowly scribes, lending further weight to the suggestion that he was a 'reader'. The one problem with this idea is that I don't see how they could successfully locate two scribes so quickly, particularly since neither myself nor The Flax appear to given away any obvious clues in thread prior to our deaths.

I checked again to be sure, I got no message in the writeup of my death. Unlike the "Look behind you." you received. This might mean the killer is educated, but more importantly he defiled the work I was writing by smoking it, and in your case he sniffed your ink. So, probably a general lack of respect for scribes.

The last point is what people should think about though and I've said it before, right after you were murdered. This is apparently the same killer, judging by the M.O., but how did he manage finding picking both scribed in Night 1 and Night 2? We'll see if another scribe dies tonight (if any others are left.)

I fear the cause of writing is taking a devastating blow. :clown:

[White_eyes:D]

well, no matter what.....if ATPG dies in his duel.:duel: I can see Reenk randomly killing someone...(most likely a usurper....) Since, they seem to be winning....and in the rules Reenk said this....
If a settler who was to be executed is killed in a duel, then the matter becomes wholly up to the discretion of the priest king Reenk Roink.

Edit:...I just had a thought:sweatdrop:.....if Reenk Randomly kills me.....I will laugh until I die....:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Time is of the essence, and I already submitted the duel story.

If you want to use your votes for a more useful purpose, now is the time to change them off of me. Otherwise, keep them on me. I'm curious to see who randomly dies, or whatever the mysterious outcome might be.

I'm not just dead, I'm super dead! That's better than regular death because you can do it twice in one round.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This day ends tuesday at 2:00 pm eastern.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah! I didn't know that. Cool!




Vote Tally:

Tincow: Taka, White_Eyes, Andres
Yoyoma: Psychonaut, FactionHeir
Abstain: Lord Winter, boudica, Lord Winter, Seamus, Seireikhaan
Askthepizzaguy: TinCow, Yoyoma1910, GH, Jolt, Askthepizzaguy
White_Eyes: LittleGrizzly
Andres: Shlin28

Challenges:

Askthepizzaguy Challenges Yoyoma
Yoyoma rejects Askthepizzaguy
Shlin28 Challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy rejects shlin28
Askthepizzaguy withdraws Yoyoma1910
Shlin28 withdraws Askthepizzaguy
Seireikhaan challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy accepts Seireikhaan

Tally seems correct, as it matches the last tally I came across, plus changes.

[Reenk Roink]

This day ends tuesday at 2:00 pm eastern.

2 AM :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

2 AM :bow:

:bounce:

I'm so dead!
I'm so dead!
I can't wait!
Soooooon I'll be dead!
I love to be dead
Six feet under is my bed
And I'll turn into a zombie
And I'll turn into a zombie
and eat your flesh.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tincow, you now seem...withdrawn...once having posted your defense to Sasaki's comments.

Thoughts?


I do concur with those who've made the point that many of the god references are unclear. In both Midgard games, the gods had their own agenda -- and the game of the mortals was only secondary to them. If that is true here, we will need caution in evaluating things. Vode reference = bad may be likely, but not a 1 to 1 correspondence.

[GeneralHankerchief]

TinCow's withdrawal is across the board. There's some lively discussion in the Throne Room going on right now that I'm sure he would be in the thick of were he present.

[seireikhaan]

This duel is off
Withdraw: Askthepizzaguy
My apologies

[Reenk Roink]

This duel is off
Withdraw: Askthepizzaguy
My apologies

:laugh4:

This guy is great. :2thumbsup:

Just another note. You can't send in early orders. The earliest they can be sent in is after the voting deadline ends (even if I haven't posted the write up).

[Reenk Roink]

Note: Please send your orders

:stupido: Day 2


Though the bickering on this day was less than on the day before, it was still significant enough to make the priest king Reenk Roink stay away from the settlers most of the day. He had more important things to attend to such as spend time with the widows of Gaius Scribonius Curio and Beefy in order to...comfort and console them.

At length the settlers had decided that the most vocal of them all was the man who was most likely to be an usurper. So the pizza guy whom everyone asked was chained and brought forth to the priest king. At this point, the pizza guy had gone quite insane and was reciting poems stating his desire to die.

Reenk Roink examined him quizzically and said: "A pity. This fellow was entertaining, and I sensed potential that he would have some good ideas for stopping the usurper threat."

With that the priest king gave the order to one of his Bronze Companions who swiped the head of the pizza guy off cleanly with one stroke of his sword.

In accordance with his wishes, all of the pizza guy's sheep were slaughtered at his execution.

Voting Record:

Psychonaut votes Yoyoma1910
taka votes TinCow
Askthepizzaguy votes TinCow
Lord Winter votes abstain
CountArach votes Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D votes TinCow
Askthepizzaguy votes Yoyoma1910
boudica votes abstain
LittleGrizzly votes White_eyes:D
Andres votes TinCow
TinCow votes Askthepizzaguy
CountArach votes abstain - final
Seamus Fermanagh votes abstain
Yoyoma1910 votes Askthepizzaguy
seireikhaan votes abstain
shlin28 votes abstain
GeneralHankerchief votes Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy votes abstain
Askthepizzaguy votes Andres
Jolt votes Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy votes Askthepizzaguy - final
FactionHeir votes Yoyoma1910
shlin28 votes Askthepizzaguy - final

Challenge Record:

Askthepizzaguy challenges Yoyoma1910
Yoyoma1910 rejects Askthepizzaguy duel
shlin28 challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy rejects shlin28 duel
Askthepizzaguy withdraws Yoyoma1910 duel
shlin28 withdraws Askthepizzaguy duel
seireikhaan challenges Askthepizzaguy
Askthepizzaguy accepts seireikhaan duel
seireikhaan withdraws Askthepizzaguy duel

Vote Tally:

Askthepizzaguy (TinCow, Yoyoma1910, GeneralHankerchief, Jolt, Askthepizzaguy, shlin28) - 9
TinCow (taka, White_eyes:D, Andres) - 3
Yoyoma1910 (Psychonaut, FactionHeir) - 2
White_eyes:D (LittleGrizzly) - 1

abstain (Lord Winter, boudica, CountArach, Seamus Fermanagh, seireikhaan) - 6

Challenge List:


Alive:

GeneralHankerchief
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
FactionHeir
Andres
boudica
Jolt
TinCow
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelrang
Sigurd
shlin28
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh

Executed:

777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy

Fallen in battle:


Killed:

TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187

[Askthepizzaguy]

FoS: TinCow, Yoyoma1910, GeneralHankerchief, Jolt, shlin28

Too willing to lynch someone who was quite obviously innocent, even after he committed to death.

[Captain Blackadder]

Us good men must stick together for I fear that the men are trying to kill us off for you see 3 of our brothers have fallen whilst 5 of them yet there are so few of us that we must remain ever vigilant.

[Jolt]

Indeed. The plebs are becoming increasingly numerous so we must resort to our superior intelect as to counter the bruteness of those plebians.

Anyways, there are a few lurkers who I don't recall having said much throughout the thread, which are taka, Ichigo and Tristan de Castelrang.

[Andres]

He's too quiet and his last post (I mean the accusation of TinCow doesn't seem to flow naturally. It seems a bit constructed, like he was putting it together rather than writing his own thoughts.

Sigurd is being a bit too quiet for my taste as well...granted we lynched him for lurking last game :juggle2:

I had a very busy week-end and yesterday I was busy at work and with my other Org duties (MP forum).

I haven't been able to pay proper attention to this game, sorry. In fact, I didn't pay much attention to the whole Gameroom the last three days :shame:

What I was trying to say, was that TinCow's defense of Ares connected them both. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but TinCow defended Ares from the very start, when it was not certain that he was getting lynched.

The fact that Ares is as good as certain scum, makes the connection between both even more interesting.

However, when reading TC's posts more carefully, he sounds rather sincere to me:


Am I the only person here who finds it extremely convenient that we have simply been told who was guilty? Even if that was the result of a so-called "watcher," presumably the watcher would simply have that information themselves and then have to produce it to the rest of us. It seems absurdly suspicious that a completely anonymous 'stone' was left on the body to convince us all of what happened. How do we know that this stone wasn't placed there by the killer?

This is not a silly assumption. In fact, I got framed in Midgard (I or II?) by the rune stones which indicated my guilt, while I was just a plain old townie.


I see nothing in that role PM that leaps out as being fake. Why do you think it is?

Me neither. I think that first role pm was genuine, but I'm also sure Reenk would have provided the mafia with townie pm's, otherwise this game would be over rather fast for them.


1) Actually, yes, because I feel like Ares is the kind of person I would be able to sway with my arguments if I felt the need to. I don't feel particularly threatened by him as a player and I think I would stand a far better chance at spotting an irregularity in his behavior than I would in someone like you, GH, Andres, etc.

2) Yes, anyone. The way I see it, Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares.

Let me ask you a question: Are you so afraid of Ares that you think we won't be able to spot his scuminess unless we lynch him right here and right now?

TinCow just follows his own logic. He believes Ares is framed, ergo Ares is innocent. Everyone is a better lynch candidate, because according to TinCow who sticks to his own asumption, Ares is certainly innocent.


You guys need to read that role PM. Are you honestly telling me that Ares, of all people, forged that in 15 minutes? The quote with a joke in it and the entire writing style are entirely consistent with the role PM Reenk sent to me. It takes me 30 minutes to do a decent role forgery. I don't mean to be insulting to Ares, but his writing style leaves a lot to be desired. I simply don't think he could have faked that in the short period of time he had. If it is fake, someone else wrote it for him and he had it before ATPG said anything to him.

He's still convinced about the role pm being genuine. However, he still doesn't consider the possibility of the mafia having fake role pm's.


You are wrong about this. Occam's razor points to his innocence because:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
When do we ever get this good of a day one lynch?

We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups.

Ok. A discussion about who has the best Occam's razor. Whatever.


I think the discussion about whether Ares' role PM was fake or not is pointless. All this talk about the presence or lack of an introduction line is a waste of time. If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery. It mimics Reenk's writing style perfectly, and is laced with just the proper amount of humor throughout. No one would make that good of a forgery and then not put in the standard greeting line that we ALL got. It is far more likely that Ares is telling the truth and didn't post it at first because he didn't think it was actually part of the role. This is consistent with him not posting the joke earlier as well. As for the formating, I've seen that happen many times with real role PMs. It happens when people simply highlight and copy what they see in their PM box instead of hitting reply and using the formated text inside the reply box. The better point of discussion is whether the current situation seems like a frame attempt or whether it seems like a legitimate reveal of a mafioso.

Still hammering on the fact if the pm is fake, it has to be forged byt Ares, disregarding the possibilities that a) it was provided by Reenk himself; b) one of his team members faked it. TinCow is right in that missing the first line of the role pm in itself isn't proof of the role pm being fake. I personally think the role pm is "genuine" as in "provided by Reenk".


Also...

Vote: FactionHeir

I agree with Sasaki and GH that his reply raised an eyebrow. This line in particular seems like a typical mafioso attempt to participate in discussion and analysis without actually saying anything:

Votes FactionHeir for a silly reason, imo.

The rest is less important, because then we get Ares SK reveal which confirms his guilt.

All in all, TinCow seemed very consistent in his defense of Ares and he sticked to his opinion.

Unvote : TinCow

[Andres]

Meh, it's night. :wall:

EDIT: I have to be guilty, since a mafioso would know when it's night and when it's day.

[boudica]

The clientele had thinned out a bit at the Dog & :daisy:

Despite the generous servings of lamb kebabs served with a mutton stew, those drinkers who were still warming their various parts at the fire and supping of the good stuff had not the same humour about them as on previous nights.

What had begun as an adventure had swiftly twisted into something of a nightmare and much of what the settlers wished to discuss with one another remained unsaid... scattered into the pit of grief they felt when they thought of the friends they had lost since their voyage began. But it was not just grief that held their tongues: Also they were silenced by the choking grip of fear.. fear for their own lives; fear spelt out in the distrust which pierced the air between them and fear for who... or what might be waiting for them after the fire's embers died down.

"Shame about awww them sheep wunnit really"

"Chomp!, scrontch! Slurp!"

"O yarrr, foine flock"

"Lovely drippin' pass that bread"

"So whass all this about the bloke who turned into a fish again?"

"Some koind of Religious row that one... bess left to the priests if you ask me"

"Oi thort at first it might be the Good Men who were behoind all this trubble, but now..."

"Nah. All in the same boat we are - even since reachin' droi laaaaaand."

"True enough my Man, Us Good Men may lack your numbers, but our quality shines through in our service to the Priest King, in a manner quite unachievable to those of your station"

"Eh? do you want a sla.."

"Shurrup! we're all friends here.."


The sentence hung in the cool evening air and wafted up with the motes of ash into the dark. Despite the sense of fraternity between many of the Settlers, it was clear that there were those amongst them who were NOT their friends....not friends at all.

[TinCow]

Tincow, you now seem...withdrawn...once having posted your defense to Sasaki's comments.

I'm more active when I'm at work than when I'm at home, because when I'm at home these days I'm playing ETW or watching TV. Thus, for a while now I've only been posting in the evenings when it's something short that I can respond to quickly, or if it is urgent. Public posts in this game do not usually tend to be either. In relation to Day 2 in specific, I also felt like I had contributed everything that I had that was worth saying. I gave my defense to Sasaki and that's the only reply I've got to his accusations. There's no point in me saying anything further because my original statement was the truth and I don't see any utility in pounding it into peoples heads with multiple posts.


FoS: TinCow, Yoyoma1910, GeneralHankerchief, Jolt, shlin28

Too willing to lynch someone who was quite obviously innocent, even after he committed to death.

"Quite obviously innocent." Yes, you get yourself into this situation in every single game because you're so clearly innocent every single time. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Quite obviously innocent." Yes, you get yourself into this situation in every single game because you're so clearly innocent every single time. :laugh4:

LOL

You know, eventually you guys will figure me out. But so far, you've been off the mark quite a bit. You'd think I'd be slightly more careful with my life when I am mafia than to piddle it all away by leaving the vote on myself, keeping that challenge going until seireikhaan dropped it himself, and so on and so forth.

Ooops, sorry, I apologize, dead men tell no loies. I were mafiarr aw this time, 'ow did you know? Wot were the big giveaway? :laugh4: In all seriousness, you guys just collectively farted on a mason, then lit the match and let me burn to death. Soon enough, my partner will reveal himself and explain just how silly that was of you.

Oh, but it wer the woine in front 'o me, Mister TinCow, 'ad to bee, 'ad to bee. If there were woine, and it wer in fron' o meeee, yarr, Oi must've put the poison init, because that way, you'd think I were innocent; yarr but it didn't turn ot tharrr way, dinnit? But wot if I put the woine... in fron' of yoooouuu.... that moight be a bit more clever, it moight be, it moight be... but only a fool wuld drink it, yarr??? So it moost be tha woine in front 'o me.... but per'aps I'm clever enooof not to be soo ovvious, moiybe I put the woine in fron't of yooouu....

[Seamus Fermanagh]

That was a baaaaaad thing you did with your sheep, Pizza. You should have skipped town entirely...taken it on the lamb as it were.....


:devilish:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Listen, if some of you men had thunk just a little bit into the future, you'd have remembered to bring some women along. Perhaps not on the ship, that's bad luck, but even if they were tied to a rope and floating outside the boat...

Maybe they could have been used to catch some really really big fish. Or a mermaid! I'd bag one of those.

[TinCow]

You know, eventually you guys will figure me out. But so far, you've been off the mark quite a bit. You'd think I'd be slightly more careful with my life when I am mafia than to piddle it all away by leaving the vote on myself, keeping that challenge going until seireikhaan dropped it himself, and so on and so forth.

Ooops, sorry, I apologize, dead men tell no loies. I were mafiarr aw this time, 'ow did you know? Wot were the big giveaway? :laugh4: In all seriousness, you guys just collectively farted on a mason, then lit the match and let me burn to death. Soon enough, my partner will reveal himself and explain just how silly that was of you.

The basic flaw with the above statements is that you're acting like we're all incredibly selfless townies. Some of us are mafia, some of us are townies who still want other townies dead, and some of us are regular townies who just want to remain alive. You make yourself an easy target, so people exploit it. You get lynched because it's an easy way to distract the vote from themselves or other vulnerable people, or to otherwise obscure a vulnerability in their position or buy time. People don't have to actually think that you're mafia to vote for you. They can fully believe that you're a townie, but be perfectly happy using you as a meat shield against the lynch. It's not a coincidence that I pushed for your lynch in a round when I was under attack.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hehehe.... you're welcome.

[boudica]

Note: I shall be at a funeral tomorrow and have v. limited internet access. Will try to check comp in the morning before we leave (GMT)

[LittleGrizzly]

It is unfortunate ATPG died... it usually is.... when he gets lynched he's never usually one of my suspects... unfortunatly there where quite a few innocents in the lynch list i think... no one really deserving of my suspicion... hopefully we have something better to go on next turn...

[Askthepizzaguy]

FoS: LittleGrizzly

Sympathy now is useless to me. :laugh2:


(j/k)

[shlin28]

*Makes silent prayer to OsiOsi and his divine servant Reenk Roink for protection through the coming night*

I don't want you guys killing each other whilst I'm gone... got it?

*snoreS*

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mmmm... sweet, sweet death. How I love thee. Let me count the ways. I'm already up to 665.... just one more. If I cap myself in pevergreen's game, I'm changing my title to "Suicide King". That would be 4 games in a row I offered/succeeded in killing myself. :7king:

The dirt feels so good between my toes... the worms feel so good between my organs.

[LittleGrizzly]

Maybe you could try being a useful townie for more than one or two turns ?

Think about it if you ever get a power town role people will lynch you for not doing your usual offering yourself strategy... or if you get mafia role... i care less about the second one though...

Edit: Thinking about it i hope to god your never my mafia partner!

[Askthepizzaguy]

LG-

I've been on the winning team in all 4 games I've been mafia in. Just so you know.

All I am saying is that there is room for unorthodox strategies. Didn't we just learn this in the Godfather game from Reenk Roink?

[Reenk Roink]

LG-

I've been on the winning team in all 4 games I've been mafia in. Just so you know.

All I am saying is that there is room for unorthodox strategies. Didn't we just learn this in the Godfather game from Reenk Roink?

Hardly unorthodox... :snobby:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're as unorthodox as they come, Reenkster.

That's a compliment, by the way. You had me in the palm of your hands last game, and totally derailed my train of thought.

:bow: to the master.

[Beefy187]

Was reveal after dead allowed?

[Askthepizzaguy]

yes, absolutely. All I can't do after I am dead is quote PM's, I think, according to the rules.

So now, the only person who can reveal the proof of all your role PM's that you sent me is my partner, and I don't want him to do that. Best to protect everyone for as long as necessary.


Edit: And my apologies, GeneralHankerchief; but it seems Godfather will be de-throned after all. :shame:

[Reenk Roink]

The reason the night has been extended if you're wondering is to shuffle up some of the timings which I had planned to do (and thank god I got the most inconvenient one out of the way from the start :laugh4:). The new timings will be around 15:00 - 20:00 EST for a couple of rounds (this night will end no later than 20:00).

This is a chance for you late PM senders, take it! :bow:

[Reenk Roink]

Night has ended, writeup coming.

[LittleGrizzly]

Hopefully we have a more peaceful night tonight...

[White_eyes:D]

Hopefully we have a more peaceful night tonight...

:sweatdrop::sweatdrop: I know I am dead......:juggle2:

[Captain Blackadder]

any reason why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Strange. Forgive me, White_eyes, but you're lynch bait at the moment for your odd behavior thus far. I don't see why the mafia would murder you.

[White_eyes:D]

any reason why?

because it feels like super powered roles are running around:juggle2:.....and I got nothing to fight back with but my trusty hoe.:scared:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You claimed to be a farmer, didn't you White_Eyes?

[White_eyes:D]

Farmer=Hoe(farming tool)=tilling the fields....I have no way to fight anyone....and I also have no way to vote anyone to death....I only count as one vote.....:sweatdrop: means I am screwed...:clown: