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VOTE JOLT
Hello Captain Blackadder, thanks for playing
Quote:
If thou ever feeleth the desire to striketh another, restrain thyself and burneth a pound of meat to OsiOsi. He will allow thee to bed the wife of thee enemy.
A priest's sermon
You are a Priest
Background:
There are a two prerequisites for becoming a priest:
1) Being old
2) Being a virgin
After that you can worship the gods all the time instead of just on weekends!
Battle Rating:
1 – Devoting yourself to the rituals of the gods leaves little time for military training. The strongest man is the one with the strongest faith as you say.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
That is my role
Hello Captain Blackadder, mind posting your ACTUAL role PM, instead of the pre-prepared cover PM that was also given to Jolt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2185719&postcount=1183) and Yoyoma?
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 05:20
Yeah. I have other people talking to me who are also concerned that is your fake role, Blackadder.
Do a real one or die very soon. Pizza is hungry.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 05:29
That is my actual role P.M I know it sound WIFOM but why would I post a fake when I know that other people got as well. If the game lasts longer and there are no targets I volunteer to get lynched. I am innocent and that is my role supposibly an investigator investigated me and can confirm all of this.
pevergreen
03-25-2009, 07:46
That is my actual role P.M I know it sound WIFOM but why would I post a fake when I know that other people got as well.
It doesnt sound like WIFOM...it is.
May we burn you?
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 08:22
If you wish but it is a waste of a lynch and OsiOsi will not be happy that you have killed one of his priests
CountArach
03-25-2009, 08:42
Please can Captain Blackadder be lynched before me? He posted a fake role PM that two other people received...
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 08:45
Safer is for you to go first, methinks. Takes two turns to eat you, doesn't it?
CountArach
03-25-2009, 08:46
Safer is for you to go first, methinks. Takes two turns to eat you, doesn't it?
Yes it does, but you would rather lynch me, a confirmed innocent, than someone posting fake PMs?
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 08:49
Fortunately it's not my call. I am dead. Personally I'd very much like to devour the corpse of a God, but any shady character will do. How were you confirmed innocent again?
Forgive me, my brain is half-eaten and rotting.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 08:49
but I am not posting fake PMs it is a real one and I am a confirmed innocent at least according to what atpg told me in a pm some time ago.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 08:51
Blackadder was semi-investigated by the thief, if I recall. I am not 100% certain that makes him innocent. As for Pisuf; Eating a god would be... well... a taste of heaven. Like ambrosia, it would be absolutely divine. Mmm...
CountArach
03-25-2009, 08:52
Fortunately it's not my call. I am dead. Personally I'd very much like to devour the corpse of a God, but any shady character will do. How were you confirmed innocent again?
Forgive me, my brain is half-eaten and rotting.
Yoyoma PMed GH with the role that he received when he investigated me. It matched with the one I posted in the thread.
but I am not posting fake PMs it is a real one and I am a confirmed innocent at least according to what atpg told me in a pm some time ago.
So wait ATPG told you you were innocent...?
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 08:56
ATPG said I was a confirmed innocent by another source, of course I know I am innocent but I wouldn't expect you to take my word for it but now that someone else can confirm my story I think that should put myself lower in the lynching list then CA
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 08:56
I'm interested in whoever is chucking fireballs at people.
Whoever that is should die. Isn't that you, Pisuf?
CountArach
03-25-2009, 09:00
I'm interested in whoever is chucking fireballs at people.
Whoever that is should die. Isn't that you, Pisuf?
Yes, but that was only in self-defence. Re-read the kill.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 09:01
Who is the sorcerer of Vode?
CountArach
03-25-2009, 09:01
Who is the sorcerer of Vode?
Jolt.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 09:04
Which is why we need to kill Jolt then CA if the game does not finish with those two I volunter to die having a WIFOM in the final rounds will be a horrible thing for town and unfortuntly for me that means I will have to die.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 09:04
Gah. I really wish I had been taking notes. The Sorcerer of Vode is our serial murderer.
However he dies, he must die.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 09:05
I have a simple solution to the Blackadder problem.
Pisuf challenges Blackadder to a duel and destroys him.
Kill in this order:
Jolt- Sorcerer of Vode
Blackadder- via duel
CountArach- for being a possibly evil God... I guess.
CountArach
03-25-2009, 09:37
Challenge: Blackadder
Works for me.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 10:02
How do we know that CA wont become more powerfull if he wins a duel didn't he already gain an ability in a similar way whats to stop it happening again?
FactionHeir
03-25-2009, 10:04
Considering CB wasn't out at night durung investigation and his entire place was holy enoiugh not to make me steal, i think hes speaking the truth.
In other news, Iffo is likely to be randomly assigned to a living player so watch out for that.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 10:07
What is this Iffo thing I have read through the thread but I don't remember reading it.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 10:08
CountArach can at least serve as our duel guy until we decide it's no longer necessary to have him around.
Blackadder with a weak, fake-looking role, which was never properly posted, just cut and pasted, with a poor duel rating and no special abilities. I doubt he is just a priest of OsiOsi. CountArach can eliminate Blackadder unless Blackadder is lying about having a miserable duel rating.
Jolt, of course, for the lynch.
Does the plan make sense?
_Tristan_
03-25-2009, 10:15
Vote : Jolt.
Vode's minions have to go, for sure.
Then it will be time to adress the question of whether it is best to get rid of a God in human form or someone unwilling to reveal his true role PM...
As to Iffo, I'd like to know where FH gets his notion that it will be assigned to a living player.
As I re-read the write-up of Little Grizzly role PM, I can't but think that this part points us in the right direction :
. It was you who tricked the demon Iffo into a signing a contract which bound him to charity.
Might we infer from that that Iffo was just another beggar, depending on charity ? Did any investigator come across a beggar in their invetigations ?
If so, this character will have to be lynched ASAP.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 10:20
I think CountArach could also take out Ichigo next round, if he's willing. Better to duel an intentional lurker than leave him alive and online constantly but not talking.
Vote: Jolt
Good call on that FH. :bow:
Yoyoma, if your a detective sorry for blocking you, I guess I could tell you had a role of sorts.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 10:24
Wait we still have a detective? Why can't yoyoma simply investigate me thus proving I am innocent and if people are really concerned that I am something of a bad guy role block me and you will see the numbers of deaths will not change. We know every single person who has done a night kill throughout the entire game and once again I am not any of them.
CountArach
03-25-2009, 10:27
If you are simply a townie why are you bothered about dueling me to prove your innocence?
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 10:28
If you are indeed loyal to the priest king Reenk Roink, go ahead and accept the challenge from CountArach, Captain Blackadder.
You protest too much for a minor, powerless priest.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 10:31
Fine, Forgive me Osi Osi for I am about to commit violence
I accept the dual
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 10:32
accept: CountArach in bold is proper format. Wouldn't want to sneak by on technicality.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 10:34
accept: CountArach
I will now do one last thing to help the town I recieved this PM from Saskai
My friend, it's all but certain that you are iffo. They are going to lynch jolt today, but will try and investigate you tonight. Since CA is getting blocked, it will have to be yoyoma that investigates you, you MUST kill him.
I was the cult recruiter--the healer of klefy was a cover role, my job was to have recruits waiting so that Iffo would have worshippers awaiting when he emerged into his evil form.
You're doing a good job in thread so far. I'll try and stick up for you as much as I can. Take my advice and you might be able to pull this one out. If the town wastes two rounds lynching CA we might have a shot.
Sasaki
Take from it what you will
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 10:37
:laugh4: Hoisted by his own petard.
Sasaki gets brownie points for being entertaining, and I get brownie points for being foolish and listening to him.
Delightful fun, this game.
CountArach
03-25-2009, 10:40
As if there was any doubt that Sasaki was guilty...
So do you now have the ability to night kill then Blackadder? Seems you are happy to die for the settlement and I am sure the living God Pisuf will have no difficulty dispatching you. I do not however believe that CountArach has the town's best interests at heart: It has already been established that he rejected the opportunity to work on behalf of town and I think that after Jolt is done with - and hopefully Iffo - or his recruit(??) is slain, that we should really lynch CountArach ... at least once; to keep him honest :laugh4:
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 10:47
No I do not Saskai thought based on my actions that I was Iffo but I am not Iffo so I am still the simple humble priest of OsiOsi with no abilities whatsoever
CountArach
03-25-2009, 10:54
It has already been established that he rejected the opportunity to work on behalf of town and I think that after Jolt is done with - and hopefully Iffo - or his recruit(??) is slain, that we should really lynch CountArach ... at least once; to keep him honest :laugh4:
Wait... when was that established? I don't think anyone has brought any substantial evidence that points in that direction forward.
If CountArach is a God, wouldn't it not be better to lynch him and let Jolt and Captain Blackadder fight a duel?
Or am I missing something?
CountArach
03-25-2009, 11:11
If CountArach is a God, wouldn't it not be better to lynch him and let Jolt and Captain Blackadder fight a duel?
Or am I missing something?
1) Lynching me takes 2 days.
2) Jolt is confirmed mafia and as such is a better kill.
3) Blackadder is posting a cover PM that two other players have received.
1) Lynching me takes 2 days.
2) Jolt is confirmed mafia and as such is a better kill.
3) Blackadder is posting a cover PM that two other players have received.
Ehm, if you duel today, then it will still take two days to lynch you. And in the meanwhile, you get an extra kill through the duel.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 11:25
I suspect we have Iffo and Kefy and Vode and OsiOsi and all manner of gods and their henchmen left, and we still have townies trying to kill other townies for side missions, and multiple mason teams and everyone hiding a massive duel rating, and Reenk Roink is the king of the Gods there I said it.
He led us here to this forest to watch us all die. *gets up out of his grave* Are you happy now, Reenk Roink? Have us all dancing our little dances for your sadistic pleasures. You're hiding the fact that you're really OsiOsi, and you're going to bring all these mortals and nobles and priests and sorcerers and gods together and cause the Ragnarok, and you don't care how many of us die!
And yes, I've gone mad, so what? I'm still more sane than all of you! BAhahahahahaa :mad:
CountArach
03-25-2009, 11:28
Ehm, if you duel today, then it will still take two days to lynch you. And in the meanwhile, you get an extra kill through the duel.
But why am I more of a target than a confirmed scum?
Ehm, if you duel today, then it will still take two days to lynch you. And in the meanwhile, you get an extra kill through the duel.
We still have the roleblocker, so, with luck kills at night can be avoided.
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 11:58
My friend, it's all but certain that you are iffo. They are going to lynch jolt today, but will try and investigate you tonight. Since CA is getting blocked, it will have to be yoyoma that investigates you, you MUST kill him.
I was the cult recruiter--the healer of klefy was a cover role, my job was to have recruits waiting so that Iffo would have worshippers awaiting when he emerged into his evil form.
You're doing a good job in thread so far. I'll try and stick up for you as much as I can. Take my advice and you might be able to pull this one out. If the town wastes two rounds lynching CA we might have a shot.
Sasaki.......Well.....trying to kill CA is out of the questioned now, after reading that.....:juggle2: I will go on my gut instinct, that says he and Iffo are not working together.....I STILL NEED to know who Iffo is or else town is screwed....(I don't think Pisuf can beat him...:sweatdrop:)
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 11:59
I think the implication there was that Blackadder was Iffo, and that's why he's afraid to die.
Oops, forgot, I'm insane. Don't mind me...
Please can Captain Blackadder be lynched before me? He posted a fake role PM that two other people received...
To make sure this is clear, Captain Blackadder's role PM isn't fake, it's just his cover role PM, not his actual role PM. That priest role PM was given to both Jolt and Yoyoma as their 'cover' role PMs, so there's no reason to suspect that others wouldn't have it as well. However, it does very strongly indicate that Blackadder has only disclosed his 'cover' role PM, and not his real one.
In other news, Iffo is likely to be randomly assigned to a living player so watch out for that.
Explain why you said this. LG's role PM (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2185908&postcount=1214) stated that Iffo had been "bound... to charity." That seems to me like it was a person who would otherwise look like they had a 'power' pro-town role, but who would then flip to scum after The Watcher died.
Captain Blackadder claims to be a Priest of OsiOsi. Every single other priest and god-related role we've seen has had night abilities of some kind. Blackadder claims no night abilities at all. What are the odds that we've got an actual Priest of OsiOsi that's not capable of aiding the town in any way?
I STILL NEED to know who Iffo is or else town is screwed....(I don't think Pisuf can beat him...:sweatdrop:)
Why don't you think Pisuf can beat him? Pisuf has a duel score of 10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2184774&postcount=1137). Do you have more info on Iffo?
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 12:06
I think the implication there was that Blackadder was Iffo, and that's why he's afraid to die.
Oops, forgot, I'm insane. Don't mind me...
hmmmm.....maybe but I don't think so.....I think Iffo could be anyone....not a "Good Man"....that's for sure. It all depends on whither the duel goes down or not.....:juggle2: if Captain Blackadder backs out....he is Iffo....then I can Reseal him....:grin2: but there is no way to stop him other wise...basically this is a cry for help:sweatdrop:
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 12:07
Everything I do is a cry for help, so don't feel bad.
:mad:
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 12:09
I have being thinking it over and I have realised that I need to die quickly. I have no other role apart from the priest of OsiOsi but it is implied that the person who is Iffo does not know they are Iffo but will turn to Iffo at some point in the game now if I die now I can still win since my role pm is as it says above is to outlast the usurpers but if I turn to Iffo I will lose since I will soon be killed off. But all this does not matter since pisuf an old god will easily be able to out dual me with my rating of 1
hmmmm.....maybe but I don't think so.....I think Iffo could be anyone....not a "Good Man"....that's for sure. It all depends on whither the duel goes down or not.....:juggle2: if Captain Blackadder backs out....he is Iffo....then I can Reseal him....:grin2: but there is no way to stop him other wise...basically this is a cry for help:sweatdrop:
You've painted a big red bullseye on yourself for Iffo, so you might as well just reveal in full. That way you have better odds of receiving aid at night if there is still some out there to help you. Your reveal could give us important info on what Iffo can do.
_Tristan_
03-25-2009, 12:11
Can priests be considered "bound to charity ?"
If so, I'll say Blackadder may very well be Iffo, reason why he is reluctant to disclose his true role PM...
Going along with TC' theory there...
FactionHeir
03-25-2009, 12:19
Explain why you said this. LG's role PM (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2185908&postcount=1214) stated that Iffo had been "bound... to charity." That seems to me like it was a person who would otherwise look like they had a 'power' pro-town role, but who would then flip to scum after The Watcher died.
Captain Blackadder claims to be a Priest of OsiOsi. Every single other priest and god-related role we've seen has had night abilities of some kind. Blackadder claims no night abilities at all. What are the odds that we've got an actual Priest of OsiOsi that's not capable of aiding the town in any way?
Read the night writeup. Iffo is FREE as the watcher died.
And I think its very peculiar that Tristan out of a sudden stopped lurking and actually started posting and asking to get someone lynched.
big FoS on Tristan
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 12:20
You've painted a big red bullseye on yourself for Iffo, so you might as well just reveal in full. That way you have better odds of receiving aid at night if there is still some out there to help you. Your reveal could give us important info on what Iffo can do.
Which was why I was worried about Pisuf and Iffo being on the same side.....I am not worried about Iffo....I am worried about Pisuf.:wall:
I well not reveal since the "Pro-town network" has sprung a leak (I have a surprise for Iffo if he attacks me).....:clown: but needless to say....Pisuf is a BIG worry for me:sweatdrop:...Since it's not like anyone can block him....and I don't have any ability's that can stop him if he chooses to screw over town and kill me....(there by letting Iffo go nuts....:no:)
pevergreen
03-25-2009, 12:26
This game is taking all the attention. Trust Reenk to host a great game when my turn comes around.
:tongue:
_Tristan_
03-25-2009, 12:33
big FoS on Tristan
:dizzy2:
Have I been lurking ? I don't think so...
I have always explained why I voted for certain people and tried to find explanations in the write-ups that might lead us closer to unmaking the usurpers.
I know some people can vouch for me but I don't think it is necessary at this point...
CountArach
03-25-2009, 13:15
And I think its very peculiar that Tristan out of a sudden stopped lurking and actually started posting and asking to get someone lynched.
big FoS on Tristan
I investigated him last night - he is innocent. He does, however, have the ability to tamper with the votes:
"Vote Tampering: Every day, before voting ends, you may tamper with the vote count, adding one tally to a settler of your choice and removing one tally from a settler of your choice."
LittleGrizzly
03-25-2009, 13:23
Well theres the man that killed TC...
I made the priest bound to charity link as well... i think its more likely than the beggar theory.. though i guess it works from the other way around...
I would like to point out for the CA case his 3rd person has not come forward!!!
This leads me to believe that this 3rd person nows of his guilt, we should lynch jolt first but CA should be the next lynch imo...
Even if we just lynch him once while someone investigates and trys to find Iffo...
bit of a rush ill make a bigger post when i get home...
Town, DO NOT use Pisuf to kill anyone. Someone in the thread has caught spot-on what will happen if he does. If you use Pisuf to murder at his will, you WILL lose town.
CountArach
03-25-2009, 13:36
I would like to point out for the CA case his 3rd person has not come forward!!!
Yes he has... it is Yoyoma... He sent my role PM to GH who then confirmed me innocent.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 13:43
What evidence do you have for this I think the same thing but I only have my gut to tell me this what do you have?
Yes he has... it is Yoyoma... He sent my role PM to GH who then confirmed me innocent.
Hold on - at what point were you confirmed innocent? - quote please. As far as I am aware you rejected the opportunity to work on behalf of town and are simply following your own - essentially serial killer - victory conditions. Sure - you're not mafia - but you're not pro-town either and therefore hardly innocent.
Pisuf still must be lynched (twice), but unfortunately we have to deal with Jolt first. With CA and CB dueling today, we will also know quickly whether CB is Iffo. If he is and dies, then we just get to work on double-lynching CA tomorrow. If CB is Iffo and kills CA, then we just lynch CB. If CB is not Iffo and CA kills him, then we get to work lynching CA tomorrow while continuing to search for Iffo.
_Tristan_
03-25-2009, 13:52
I investigated him last night - he is innocent. He does, however, have the ability to tamper with the votes:
"Vote Tampering: Every day, before voting ends, you may tamper with the vote count, adding one tally to a settler of your choice and removing one tally from a settler of your choice."
And what exactly is the point of exposing me like that ?
Aside from putting a bull's eye on my forehead for any usurper still alive..
And what exactly is the point of exposing me like that ?
Aside from putting a bull's eye on my forehead for any usurper still alive..
He's doing everything he can to direct attention at people other than himself. He knows that his ability to survive his first lynching puts him in a very good spot to win. If he can get someone else lynched tomorrow other than himself, he could very well give up any pretenses at being pro-town and simply start killing us because we wouldn't be able to lynch him twice before he won.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 14:02
Hello Captain Blackadder, thanks for playing :bow:
If thou ever feeleth the desire to striketh another, restrain thyself and burneth a pound of meat to OsiOsi. He will allow thee to bed the wife of thee enemy.
:stupido: A priest's sermon
You are a Priest
Background:
There are a two prerequisites for becoming a priest:
1) Being old
2) Being a virgin
After that you can worship the gods all the time instead of just on weekends!
Battle Rating:
1 – Devoting yourself to the rituals of the gods leaves little time for military training. The strongest man is the one with the strongest faith as you say.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
Sorry about this I didn't realise how to get hte message in fully with all original formatting. Allthough I suspect it is too late now.
So is there not still a case to lynch CA once today and leave Jolt til later?... I haven't done the maths, but we know Jolt can be blocked, whereas didn't Pisuf evade the roleblock back near the beginning?
atm Jolt cannot win - we have him as good as in chains - but Pisuf is too much of a liability. If we lynch him for the first time today, he can still kill Blackadder in the duel (who I actually believe for the moment - the Iffo situation is too hairy to do nothing, but still very much an unknown quantity) and CA becomes far more manageable when brought closer to mortality.
unvote: vote: CountArach
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 14:05
hmm, thing is, when FH investigated me he saw through my cover role. But with blackadder he saw him as a priest. Was there anyone who just had a basic pm with no cover role, and that pm was used as a cover role by a power character?
I might be best to not do the duel, and have CA challange taka instead.
hmm, thing is, when FH investigated me he saw through my cover role. But with blackadder he saw him as a priest. Was there anyone who just had a basic pm with no cover role, and that pm was used as a cover role by a power character?
I might be best to not do the duel, and have CA challange taka instead.
I know someone who only had a basic role PM with no cover (proven by investigation that reveals full role PM). However, that role was about as close to a normal boring townie as we could get in this game. CB's case is odd because he's claiming to be a Priest of OsiOsi, but with no powers. I simply don't think Reenk would have given that as a 'pure' role to anyone. Anyone who is just a plain boring townie with no powers would get a role that is along those lines, not one that connects them to a God.
So is there not still a case to lynch CA once today and leave Jolt til later?... I haven't done the maths, but we know Jolt can be blocked, whereas didn't Pisuf evade the roleblock back near the beginning?
atm Jolt cannot win - we have him as good as in chains - but Pisuf is too much of a liability. If we lynch him for the first time today, he can still kill Blackadder in the duel (who I actually believe for the moment - the Iffo situation is too hairy to do nothing, but still very much an unknown quantity) and CA becomes far more manageable when brought closer to mortality.
unvote: vote: CountArach
This is a strong argument and one that should be considered. Jolt CAN be blocked. We've seen this happen and it works. CA CANNOT be blocked, we've also seen this happen.
_Tristan_
03-25-2009, 14:17
But what if the roleblocker (whoever that is...) is killed, then Jolt will get one shot at one of the settlers, a shot that could matter in the end...
And that still leaves Iffo to worry about...
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 14:17
I know someone who only had a basic role PM with no cover (proven by investigation that reveals full role PM). However, that role was about as close to a normal boring townie as we could get in this game. CB's case is odd because he's claiming to be a Priest of OsiOsi, but with no powers. I simply don't think Reenk would have given that as a 'pure' role to anyone. Anyone who is just a plain boring townie with no powers would get a role that is along those lines, not one that connects them to a God.
I don't know, the description of the priest role sounds pretty plain and boring. The only thing that worries me is how sparse it is. You can't rely on assumptions about the game setup though.
As for CA...it's a funny lie to make, saying that yoyo pm'd GH with his real pm, because either of the two of them prove his guilty if it was false. So jolt seems the best to me. We allow an extra kill from CA if he wishes to, but maybe the game ends, and maybe CA kills Iffo.
As for CA...it's a funny lie to make, saying that yoyo pm'd GH with his real pm, because either of the two of them prove his guilty if it was false. So jolt seems the best to me. We allow an extra kill from CA if he wishes to, but maybe the game ends, and maybe CA kills Iffo.
As I said before, I've got CA's full REAL role PM, as sent to me upon my enlightenment in death by OsiOsi himself. Yoyoma's statement to GH are probably related to one of the extra abilities that were added to CA's role after he chose his path (solo). I cannot quote that PM, but I think the name of the power speaks for itself: Conversion.
But what if the roleblocker (whoever that is...) is killed, then Jolt will get one shot at one of the settlers, a shot that could matter in the end...
And that still leaves Iffo to worry about...
Do as you wish. The way boudica proposed, I remain neutralized and CA is killed sooner. All it takes is this day (CA lynch one), and next night. If the roleblocker survives next night, then CA is killed and even if on night two the roleblocker is killed, I'll be dead the day after.
In any case, since CA has won powers through killing Sasaki, I sincerely recommend that Blackadder DOES NOT accept CA's duel. Who knows if he wins more power and becomes invincible to lynching.
Since I'm already bound, I may as well render the town a service and be used to kill Blackadder on the safe side (Since I gain no powers from killing), and you get to see whether CB has a role or not.
So Challenge: Captain Blackadder
You have two choices. Continue to accept CA's duel, be certainly killed and risk a new increase in his powers OR reject his duel, accept mine and die with the certainty that who killed you won't become more powerful. I still get to kill another settler and will probably be lynched in the end so.. It's your choice CB.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 14:42
Unaccept Count Arach
I have to go to bed so i will come back in the morning and see what to do.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 14:55
I agree that we should have someone else duel blackadder. He's claimed a 1, so practically anyone should beat him, and we could learn something about their role as well. I suggest Lord Winter.
The more I think about the 'lynching order' the more I become convinced that we stand a greater risk of screwing this up if we try to game it. We cannot control what these people do and they do not share the same objectives as us, so we should not count on them being willing to cooperate in duels or lynchings in any way. We could have two people set up to duel each other, and then one could Reject the duel 1 minute before the day phase is over. There are too many killers left and we simply shouldn't take risks like this.
Let's keep it simple and lynch Jolt, since we know for a fact that he's guilty. If we can get more info on CB through duel, great, but we shouldn't count on it.
I agree that we should have someone else duel blackadder. He's claimed a 1, so practically anyone should beat him, and we could learn something about their role as well. I suggest Lord Winter.
The problem is what if he is a 5? You'll send someone to kill him and that someone might end up dead. I have one of the highest duel ratings in the game and whether he's faking it or not, he'll be killed.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 15:29
The problem is what if he is a 5? You'll send someone to kill him and that someone might end up dead. I have one of the highest duel ratings in the game and whether he's faking it or not, he'll be killed.
If he has a five then we know he's lying and we'll lynch him next round. I'd rather learn something about someone we don't know about than have you fight him.
FactionHeir
03-25-2009, 15:30
I think its best to lynch CA first to make him lose a life. Jolt can be blocked, CA cannot. Roleblocker just blocks Jolt while we lynch CA. If CA kills the blocker, we only risk 1 more death before both are gone anyway.
How about letting Jolt fight CA, lynch the one who's most likely to win, namely CA and block Captain Blackadder?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 15:51
Because one of them will "reject" at the last minute. Lynching is the only surefire way.
Lynch Jolt, lynch CA, and pit the unknowns in duels.
Vote: Jolt
If you want someone with a duel score of one, I am willing to step up and duel Blackadder.
Because one of them will "reject" at the last minute. Lynching is the only surefire way.
Lynch Jolt, lynch CA, and pit the unknowns in duels.
You can try to go for the double kill :shrug:
seireikhaan
03-25-2009, 16:23
A great calamity falls upon this town
Upon my face has appeared a deep frown
For now, I will vote: Jolt,
Hoping it ends revolt
And keeps this town from sinking further down.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 16:29
Vote: Jolt
If you want someone with a duel score of one, I am willing to step up and duel Blackadder.
Yes, that would be good.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-25-2009, 16:32
Which is why we need to kill Jolt then CA if the game does not finish with those two I volunter to die having a WIFOM in the final rounds will be a horrible thing for town and unfortuntly for me that means I will have to die.
May need to hold you to that CB. We have a lot of priest/investigators in this game, most of whom just seem to be priests of the good. That many investigators seems a tad imbalanced to me, and this game is running too well for me to believe that Reenk wasn't balancing things.
Somehow, I don't think all of those investigators are pro-town.
Pizza:
No apologies needed. There is always some suspicion going on in these little exercises in paranoia we call mafia games. I even, when you first voiced concerns about me in PMs, wondered if you were doing so in order to innoculate me against thinking the same thing of you! :laugh4:
In short, for all of us in these games, the question we ask ourselves is the same one asked by intelligence operatives:
"Sure I'm paranoid. But am I paranoid enough?"
Yes, that would be good.
Alright then, lets see if he chickens out. :)
Challenge: Captain Blackadder
Seamus Fermanagh
03-25-2009, 16:48
Jolt, Boudica:
I understand your argument as to timing, but there are just as many pitfalls to leaving you alive and hopefully blocked as there are to leaving arach alive and blocked. Given the time, I think we'll never reverse things enough to move off the massive jolt vote that's developed.
Dueling CB is a decent choice. Having CA do so may not be. I am a shepherd with a 2 duel. I should be able to take a 1, or at least the narrative should indicate that I was upset in a close encounter. If CB mops the floor with me...
Challenge: Captain Blackadder
If Seamus' rating is a 2, he should indeed be the person to fight CB. I can see the winner of a 1 v 1 fight being determined randomly. This would result in more ambiguity on whether CB was telling the truth about his role. That wouldn't happen with a 2 v 1. If CB defeats Seamus, we'll know he was lying, which wouldn't necessarily be the case if he defeated Sigurd.
LittleGrizzly
03-25-2009, 19:09
Yes he has... it is Yoyoma... He sent my role PM to GH who then confirmed me innocent.
I had the impression that was sent some time ago when you were innocent...
Yoyoma could have easily come forward and cleared you in the thread (still alive right ?) or given the info to seamus who is still alive...
Whereas i was under the impression that whilst yoyo was still on your side he confirmed your innocence... but his absence has been glaring since the accusations were made on you... he has had plenty of time to come in here and post a defence of you...
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 19:41
Isn't Captain Blackadder chickening out of all duels at the moment? He just ducked his own death, he's not willing to duel. You must kill him using other means...
I unleash the terrible fury of Pisuf... destroy this "priest" who has no faith.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2009, 20:05
Isn't Captain Blackadder chickening out of all duels at the moment? He just ducked his own death, he's not willing to duel.
:bounce:
Well, this should be pretty simple. Jolt is clearly toast, so we can forget about him.
W_E claims he can take care of Iffo with a night action. If W_E uses that action on CB, it should prove whether he's Iffo or not. If he is, CB will be dead. If he isn't, then presumably we will see CB's innocence in some manner and will be able to look elsewhere. Based on the way W_E is talking, I suspect he'd still take care of Iffo even if Iffo attacked him, so I doubt we'll see Iffo going after W_E tonight. So, pretty much the only people in the game who could prevent W_E from determining CB's status are Pisuf and the role blocker. It would be suicide for CA to kill W_E tonight, since that would prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's anti-town. While I do not know the identity of the role blocker, other people obviously do and there's little doubt that they would similarly crucify that person if he blocked W_E tonight.
So, we've got a pretty clear course.
1) Jolt is lynched shortly.
2) W_E submits orders to do whatever anti-Iffo thing he does against CB.
3) CA doesn't kill anyone because there's no one he could kill that would help the town, thus killing proves he's scum.
The above should make any scum remaining after tonight very clear to everyone.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 20:39
:bounce:
I was willing to duel Seireikhaan, so wipe that grin off of yer face. :clown: Seems we have a clear path forward... so... let's do it.
Reenk Roink
03-25-2009, 21:05
:stupido: Day 5
The settlement was up in arms as serious charges were brought up against the man named Jolt from not one but two sources. The settlers were nearly unanimous that they had to get rid of him, but they also fretted about Pisuf and this new figure named Iffo. Many also wanted to fight a man named Blackadder who was apparently the captain of something..
At length, the priest king Reenk Roink emerged from his temple complex, alone (do you really think he would dishonor The Watcher and his wife?). He called for Jolt who was already well tied up. Reenk Roink had his Bronze Companions point their loaded bows pointed at Jolt due to the allegations that he was the sorcerer of Vode. The priest king began to interrogate the doomed Jolt, and while initially the sorcerer of Vode simply stared grimly, he soon began to open up, glorifying Vode and noting that even if the agents of Vode were foiled, the plan of Vode was still in effect.
One Bronze Companion, terrified at a movement Jolt made, prematurely fired, which led to a cascade culminating in the sorcerer of Vode being skewered with arrows.
Voting Record:
Lord Winter votes Jolt
Yoyoma1910 votes Jolt
Seamus Fermanagh votes Jolt
Jolt votes CountArach
boudica votes Jolt
CountArach votes Jolt
taka votes Jolt
Captain Blackadder votes Jolt
Tristan de Castelreng votes Jolt
Psychonaut votes Jolt
boudica votes CountArach - final
Sigurd votes Jolt
seireikhaan votes Jolt
Challenge Record:
CountArachchallenges Captain Blackadder
Captain Blackadder accepts CountArach duel
Jolt challenges Captain Blackadder
Captain Blackadder rejects CountArach duel
Sigurd challenges Captain Blackadder
Seamus Fermanagh challenges Captain Blackadder
Vote Tally:
Jolt - 14 (Lord Winter, Yoyoma1910, Seamus Fermanagh, CountArach, taka, Captain Blackadder, Tristan de Castelreng, Psychonaut, Sigurd, seireikhaan)
CountArach - 3 (Jolt, boudica)
Challenge List:
Alive:
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelreng
Sigurd
Seamus Fermanagh
Executed:
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Jolt
Fallen in battle:
Killed:
TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
LittleGrizzly
White_eyes:D
03-25-2009, 22:38
CountArach - 3 (Jolt, boudica)hmmm....boudica was the only one to vote with Jolt....I may need to look into that....:book:
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 22:41
She's probably the Earth Goddess.
Or no, wait, she's probably something completely different, and I'm just insane.
and I'm just insane.
:yes:
he soon began to open up, glorifying Vode and noting that even if the agents of Vode were foiled, the plan of Vode was still in effect.
Looks like that's the end of the actual Vode crew. Now we just need to clean up the miscellaneous scum.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 23:32
Accept Seamus
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2009, 23:34
:laugh4: Missed it by THAT much....
Oh glorious Pisuf... please subtract the Adder.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-25-2009, 23:48
Accept Seamus
If you still draw breath come dawn, I will gladly re-issue my challenge. I will not roil our benevolent Reenk Roink's sleep by trying to engage in a duel after hours.
Pity you were late with your acceptance.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2009, 23:51
Forgive me for my prayer session to OsiOsi lasted too long and I overslept the time of dualing.
Forgive me for my prayer session to OsiOsi lasted too long and I overslept the time of dualing.
You sleep during the day, perhaps it is because you are busy at night? :clown:
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 00:01
Yes I am busy at night praying that the deaths do not continue for us men and good men both deserve life not death that is what OsiOsi would want.
hmmm....boudica was the only one to vote with Jolt....I may need to look into that....:book:
FoS: White_Eyes:D Although I don't know if boudica is the demon or not, his argument towards investigating her seems too forced. I wouldn't be surprised if it was you the demon possessed.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 00:19
Obligatory Waterboy reference:
Coach Klein: "Mmm, that snake looks delicious. What part do you think I'm about to eat?"
Mama: "Uh, basically a snake don't have parts. But, uh, if I had to call it anything, uh, I would say it's his knee."
Coach Klein: "Great." Mama told me that Captain Blackadder is the "devil". She also says that foosball is the devil.
:laugh4: Missed it by THAT much....
Oh glorious Pisuf... please subtract the Adder.
ATPG, you seem to be trying to draw support towards CA. Maybe a side-goal?
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 00:22
Jolt, you appear to be guilty, guilty, guilty, and I appear to be a shepherd, and dead.
:bow:
My side mission was Beefy, and someone else took care of that for me.
Jolt, you appear to be guilty, guilty, guilty, and I appear to be a shepherd, and dead.
Does that necessarily mean I can't be right?
:bow:
My side mission was Beefy, and someone else took care of that for me.
I did that, thanks to the all amazing network which allows so much free information to reach my hands. If town starts revealing themselves, Iffo will finish my job. Someone who was formerly innocent might just have been possessed by the demon, and now he is a full scale SK with plenty of information on who are the investigators.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 00:47
I hope you don't mind if I don't thank you for eliminating an innocent townie. :laugh2:
If you're right, well done. But still... I prefer to follow my judgment and not the one of a confirmed Vode warrior.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 00:58
Ok.....I am going to use my action on boudica....hopefully, she is Iffo....if not...she shouldn't mind being a beggar with a duel rating of 0 too much, right?:sweatdrop:(not mention she can be lynched...)
Ok.....I am going to use my action on boudica....hopefully, she is Iffo....if not...she shouldn't mind being a beggar with a duel rating of 0 too much, right?:sweatdrop:(not mention she can be lynched...)
You're kidding me, right? After all of that, you're picking boudica over Captain Blackadder?
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 01:13
You're kidding me, right? After all of that, you're picking boudica over Captain Blackadder?
Well....its a beggar, right? I don't think it's a priest of OsiOsi.....:juggle2: unless, Reenk was mean and decided to tell me false info about who Iffo was hiding in...:sweatdrop: (I wouldn't put it past him...:shame:)
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 01:24
Blackadder should be the choice.
Jolt, as to the townie network being infiltrated -- the goal always was to get information out, not keep it on the QT forever. You plays the game, you takes your chances.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 01:31
hmm, indeed if Iffo is hiding as a beggar then that is who we should be looking for. And boudica was possibly roleplaying a beggar.
Sigurd claims a 1, which is a beggar type score. Like I said, we need everyone to claim a duel score.
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 01:34
Do you only get one shot at getting Iffo? If so pick anyone else apart from me I am about to die by seamus it would be a waste of a very powerful ability if for some reason I should surivive the dual then use your ability on me. However if you have multiple attempts at this go right ahead.
LittleGrizzly
03-26-2009, 01:44
Sasaki is right!
I demand everyones duel scores now!
Im allowed to demand like that right.. being a watcher ex watcher an all i feel i should get to demand things
CountArach is 10
Seamus is 2
Blackadder is 1 ?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 01:49
Sasaki is right!
I demand everyones duel scores now!
Im allowed to demand like that right.. being a watcher ex watcher an all i feel i should get to demand things
CountArach is 10
Seamus is 2
Blackadder is 1 ?
Strong and emphatically spoken. Must be tough with all the dirt clogging your layynx.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 02:18
:wall::wall::wall: I am going to hold off using the Seal....if I am wrong, town is :daisy:...:sweatdrop: but if I die by Pisuf....town better do something fast....I have no idea who else can counter Iffo, other then me....:no:
CountArach
03-26-2009, 02:38
:wall::wall::wall: I am going to hold off using the Seal....if I am wrong, town is :daisy:...:sweatdrop: but if I die by Pisuf....town better do something fast....I have no idea who else can counter Iffo, other then me....:no:
Don't worry, I'm not killing tonight.
hmm, indeed if Iffo is hiding as a beggar then that is who we should be looking for. And boudica was possibly roleplaying a beggar.
boudica is a farmer, not a beggar.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 03:24
I see...how about taka and lord winter?
Lord Winter
03-26-2009, 06:21
I'm a farmer. (2)
I am a merchant, but used to be a war veteran who hated combat and war. ive got combat skills of 7, but i cannot issue any challenges (i can accept as defence tho)
I didnt want to say because i thought it might bring suspicion upon myself; but since i've been asked to, i can only reply (before i really do become suspicious).
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 08:19
since you're all but exposed now, why not post your full role.
Bwahahaha, another good man dies :devil:
I'd suggest somebody with a higher score than 3 fights Blackadder. I remember how I was able to beat a 6-level King as a 2-level character in Midgard. If Reenk uses a similar system, then a level 2 vs. a level 1 may not work out.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 10:11
I keep suggesting CountArach annihilates Blackadder tonight but I think my persuasive ability has expired for this game.
Why would CA help the town? What do you have to offer?
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 10:14
I would like to agree......but CB might not be Iffo... and if CA kills him and he is SK.....then it's another notch on his kill list down....:sweatdrop:
CountArach
03-26-2009, 10:15
Why would CA help the town? What do you have to offer?
Because I'm pro-town :inquisitive:
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 10:19
I was thinking.....could Seamus be Iffo??? ATPG what kind of cover role/real role did he have.....??
I messed up thinking it was a beggar too.....
It was you who tricked the demon Iffo into a signing a contract which bound him to charity.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 10:19
I believe he is at least a known quantity and if he follows the will of the town, he is a pretty tough cookie who can eliminate suspects of ours.
Then, we still have time to eliminate him if the other suspects turn up innocent. I don't see a downside. Someone educate me.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 10:21
I was thinking.....could Seamus be Iffo??? ATPG what kind of cover role/real role did he have.....??
I messed up thinking it was a beggar too.....
Uh, no. Seamus and I are both shepherds, masons if you will. His role is the same as mine, I believe. But hey... you could always murder/challenge him to solve that mystery. Don't bother wasting our lynches though. Important is to use them on CA.
Oh, Mister CA is pro-town?
Ah... even in death I receive enlightenment. Apparently our good friend Pisuf is not necessarily our good friend Pisuf. Pisuf, it seems, can choose whatever path he wishes. He could help you, he could help the servants of Vode, or he could simply seek victory for himself. Pisuf has apparently chosen to eliminate everyone and live only for himself. Pisuf's abilities alternate between investigation and killing. Tonight he can investigate, so he cannot kill. Pisuf is also completely immune to lynching one time, so you would need to lynch him twice to dispose of him. Since his alignment is now for himself alone, it seems like he will most certainly have to die. Fortunately, there is a man amongst you who is capable of disposing of this fellow tonight to avoid the most problematic double lynch.
Pisuf, my friend, I welcome you to your impending death.
Addendum, apparently I was incorrect about the alternating ability to investigate and kill. He is apparently capable of doing either of them whenever he wants. For this reason, and since I do not know whether the one person I know who can solve this problem will be online to submit his orders, I feel the need to call in the assistance of the Sorcerer of Vode. Mr. Sorcerer, while I do not share your goal of destroying the settlers, Pisuf is now a threat to us all. As he can survive his first lynching, the only effective way to eliminate him is to kill him at night. Pisuf is probably a greater threat to you than the entire rest of the settlers combined. For this reason, you should dispose of him tonight, so that you can then return to killing Settlers in peace from there on out. After all, not only can you not lynch Pisuf, he will surely start killing immediately now that he has been exposed. He may eliminate you through sheer luck.
For these reasons, Sorcerer, I highly recommend that you kill CountArach.
Also:
As I said before, I've got CA's full REAL role PM, as sent to me upon my enlightenment in death by OsiOsi himself. Yoyoma's statement to GH are probably related to one of the extra abilities that were added to CA's role after he chose his path (solo). I cannot quote that PM, but I think the name of the power speaks for itself: Conversion.
You guys have a God wandering around you, determined to kill off all townies and able to convert townies.
The investigation results used by the so-called town network are useless. You are infiltrated by Pisuf knows how many converted followers.
Town needs to lynch CA twice and they need to do it as soon as possible. I really cannot believe you guys leave an invincible murderer with the ability to recruit alive.
He's the biggest threat. Get rid of him.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 10:23
Uh, no. Seamus and I are both shepherds, masons if you will. His role is the same as mine, I believe. But hey... you could always murder/challenge him to solve that mystery. Don't bother wasting our lynches though. Important is to use them on CA.
Or I could just Reseal him.....:yes:.....Its like you dodged the question.....:inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 10:23
Yes? And?
CA can kill our other suspects WHILE WE ARE LYNCHING HIM. The challenges go into effect before the lynches, and we have to lynch him twice.
Downside please?
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 10:26
Or I could just Reseal him.....:yes:.....Its like you dodged the question.....:inquisitive:
His role is the same as mine. No cover role. Ask seamus to reveal his. I deleted mine, but if you REALLY need it I can dig it up from my saved as text PMs.
I'm dodging nothing. I readily admit Seamus could have been converted, so, do what you have to do. Eliminate all the suspects, I don't care. But if you let CA waste his talents, before you kill him, you're missing a chance for CA to not only prove his innocence, but catch the real scums, and he's dead ANYWAYS if he's still scum!
DOWNSIDE please.
His role is the same as mine. No cover role. Ask seamus to reveal his. I deleted mine, but if you REALLY need it I can dig it up from my saved as text PMs.
I'm dodging nothing. I readily admit Seamus could have been converted, so, do what you have to do. Eliminate all the suspects, I don't care. But if you let CA waste his talents, before you kill him, you're missing a chance for CA to not only prove his innocence, but catch the real scums, and he's dead ANYWAYS if he's still scum!
DOWNSIDE please.
Why are you ignoring the facts?
a) TinCow got enlightened upon dead and told us CA decided to go solo which means his goal is now to exterminate the town.
b) TinCow got enlightened and told us CA has the ability to convert.
So basically, you have an invincible godfather-like power role, able to kill and convert, who will not stop until the last townie has been disposed off.
By all means, go ahead and "use his talents". If you want to buy a one way ticket to your own doom, then by all means, be my guest.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 10:32
Conversion???......if CA does have that power.....then how many nights have passed since he start converting??(and not killing if true?) Sasaki was killed on night one....that gives CA three nights....(including tonight)......It makes sense..he has not been killing because he is recruiting....:wall:
Conversion???......if CA does have that power.....then how many nights have passed since he start converting??(and not killing if true?) Sasaki was killed on night one....that gives CA three nights....(including tonight)......It makes sense..he has not been killing because he is recruiting....:wall:
Exactly. This has also the consequence that the townie network is completely and utterly useless and probably has been providing information to the followers of Pissuf, who won't stop until the last townie died.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 10:38
Fine. I'm probably wrong anyways, and I won't be responsible for another townie blunder. CountArach doesn't kill, as per our collective request, and he dies immediately.
I have no influence over things anyway. I'm just a sad, sad, lonely ghost.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 10:38
I am going to find and think on, who for those three nights CA likely recruited.....I think Sasaki and GH should help since Sasaki(is allied with Iffo and therefore likely not with Pisuf) and GH (has a knack for these things...:yes:)
Edit: there is a 80% chance CA recruited these two people....Seamus and boudica
Seamus, because on night two(?) he revealed information on the Pro-town network....very tempting a target for conversation if SK...
boudica, because they have worked well together in the past....and Mafia/SK don't stray too far from home when choosing there buddies....
Anyone else, I can't say:shrug:.....would require me to look too in depth.....:no:
Fine. I'm probably wrong anyways, and I won't be responsible for another townie blunder. CountArach doesn't kill, as per our collective request, and he dies immediately.
I have no influence over things anyway. I'm just a sad, sad, lonely ghost.
It doesn't matter if CA has/does/will kill or not. For all we know he can ask his followers to kill or he goes killing himself because, with X recruits, him staying alive is not longer necessary to obtain victory.
Heck, there could be a role similar of mine that got recruited by CA and will now kill on his behalf.
CountArach must get lynched; the sooner the better.
LittleGrizzly
03-26-2009, 10:50
I can't be sure... need TinCow to know for sure... but i don't think he has been recruiting for 3 nights...
Or at least for maybe the first or first 2 of those nights we have a night action on him...
CA is a big threat... i was partially coming round to the idea we could use CA... but its a hell of a risk!
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 10:53
I am going to find and think on, who for those three nights CA likely recruited.....I think Sasaki and GH should help since Sasaki(is allied with Iffo and therefore likely not with Pisuf) and GH (has a knack for these things...:yes:)
there is a 80% chance CA recruited these two people....Seamus and boudica
Seamus, because on night two(?) he revealed information on the Pro-town network....very tempting a target for conversation if SK...
boudica, because they have worked well together in the past....and Mafia/SK don't stray too far from home when choosing there buddies....
Anyone else, I can't say:shrug:.....would require me to look too in depth.....:no:
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 11:04
CountArach must get lynched; the sooner the better.
Well go get him. Town seems to agree he should die.
All I wanted to do was make absolutely sure we thought our actions through. Seems we have, and I am in the minority opinion.
Cheers. :medievalcheers: Good luck people.
I think we should have another look at Lord Winter. He claims Merchant with duel score of 7.
If you look at Andres' Merchant role, it says 4.
I know that a vanilla merchant role has only a 1 as duel score. I can't quote on my cell, so please have a look at Andres' duel text in his quoted role PM. You will realize that a one would be the natural score from "weak as the silk you sell".
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 11:10
Lord Winter. He claims Merchant with duel score of 7.
It was you who tricked the demon Iffo into a signing a contract which bound him to charity. I think we have found our demon.......I am going to send in my orders....bye-bye Lord Winter:bow:
boudica is a farmer, not a beggar.
I'm assuming you/your source has investigated me then. I have been reluctant - with good reason i think - to reveal my role, and have avoided all townie networks for the following reasons:
1) We were all repeatedly requested by a townie to role-reveal, a townie with another clear solo victory agenda (Askathapizzadude)
2) 'Respectable' players warned town collectively not to reveal
3) I was given a role that was also used as a fake role for some player/s(?)- this is the reason that I was inclined to believe Capt. Blackadder's claims before he posted the Sasaki PM.
I am a farmer - as I have RPed - my battle rating is 2 and my only mission, aside from PWNing plant-life, is to outlast the usurpers.
@ White_Eyes: Sure go ahead and do to me whatever your anti-Iffo night skill is. The only time I have heard of Iffo has been in the thread. If you read the thread properly the only reason I switched my vote from the clearly guilty Jolt to CountArach has already been supported as a coherent pro-town strategy and was about who to lynch first - I still believe that my theory would probably have been better for town give Pisuf's overpowered status. Capt. Blackadder - due to the revealed PM by Sasaki about recruiting for Iffo should probably be the target, but I guess you can go back to that once I have been proven innocent. :2thumbsup:
@ CountArach - you keep stressing how pro-town you are (in order to influence those who are only skim-reading this epic thread???) - it has already been established that you ARE NOT pro-town and that you are only out for yourself.
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 11:15
Ok then so what is going on now I am getting confused. Is this the plan?
We are lynching CA to get him down to one life
I dual with Seamus
White Eyes tries to find Iffo and seal him once again btw white eyes you didn't answer my question is your ability a one shot thing or can you do it every night?
How come I always post at the same time as about 5 other people ?? :laugh4:
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 11:17
Its just bad luck really
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 11:18
A little late for that.....if I am wrong....I am sorry Lord Winter.:sweatdrop:
but on the bright side you will not be dead.....you will just lose that awesome Duel score sadly.....:no:
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 11:22
Ok then so what is going on now I am getting confused. Is this the plan?
We are lynching CA to get him down to one life
I dual with Seamus
White Eyes tries to find Iffo and seal him once again btw white eyes you didn't answer my question is your ability a one shot thing or can you do it every night?
If I said anything, other then the fact that I am "The Watchers Apprentice":knight: I would be helping Iffo kill town.....that I don't want....:whip:
If I said anything, other then the fact that I am "The Watchers Apprentice":knight: I would be helping Iffo kill town.....that I don't want....:whip:
Kind of explains why you were flexing your muscles and trying to beat up Shepherd Masons on day 1 :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 11:28
Poor shepherds.
Man did we get the short end of the stick this game in terms of power and abilities. I frankly hope Seamus got recruited so he could at least revel in sadistic pleasure over something.
For those concerned about Pisuf's Conversion ability, it's not as bad a situation as it seems. He can only use that ability once. It changes the target's victory conditions to Pisuf's own, but it does not otherwise alter that person's power. Based on the fact that Yoyoma has apparently confirmed CA's innocence to GH, I think the person who got converted is obvious. Yoyoma is not much of a threat as a converted minion, as he can only investigate, not kill. His value to CA is in misinformation, not killing power.
I'm assuming you/your source has investigated me then. I have been reluctant - with good reason i think - to reveal my role, and have avoided all townie networks for the following reasons.
I investigated you on Night 4. I saw no need to divulge this until now because previously it would risk you getting killed. However, I deemed the risk to you to be less than that of W_E targeting the wrong person. Speaking of W_E, am I the only person who is getting the feeling that W_E is lying through his teeth? I still think CB is most likely Iffo due to his continued insistance that the well-know Priest cover role PM is his actual role PM. However, if I had to pick a second candidate for Iffo, I would pick W_E.
For those concerned about Pisuf's Conversion ability, it's not as bad a situation as it seems. He can only use that ability once.
You are 100 % sure of that?
Sorry, but after Netherworld, I for one would not be willing to let a god with the ability to kill and convert running around alive. He should be top priority for town.
You are 100 % sure of that?
Sorry, but after Netherworld, I for one would not be willing to let a god with the ability to kill and convert running around alive. He should be top priority for town.
Yes, I just went back and re-read it to make sure. It can only be used once, with the only other limitation being that it couldn't be used on the Psyensil (me).
Also, I'm not saying CA isn't a priority. I think he is. Unless something happens tonight which shows Iffo's identity clearly, I think CA should be the lynch choice. I don't think we need to worry too much about Pisuf minions though, since there can be only one of them and that person (Yoyoma) cannot kill at night. Yoyoma will likely have to be eliminated, but he would be the very bottom of the ladder for lynches.
Yes, I just went back and re-read it to make sure. It can only be used once, with the only other limitation being that it couldn't be used on the Psyensil (me).
I remember a detective being 100 % sure about his investigation results (I believe it was 'khaan or Ichigo in Stigs' Heineken game), and it turned out that one of the results was still ambiguous.
I do trust in your judgement, but better safe than sorry me thinks.
Also, I'm not saying CA isn't a priority. I think he is. Unless something happens tonight which shows Iffo's identity clearly, I think CA should be the lynch choice. I don't think we need to worry too much about Pisuf minions though, since there can be only one of them and that person (Yoyoma) cannot kill at night. Yoyoma will likely have to be eliminated, but he would be the very bottom of the ladder for lynches.
When was Yoyoma1910 converted? Wasn't their one more kill on N2 when Yoyoma1910 got blocked?
Are you sure about his abilities and the night in which he got converted?
I remember a detective being 100 % sure about his investigation results (I believe it was 'khaan or Ichigo in Stigs' Heineken game), and it turned out that one of the results was still ambiguous.
I do trust in your judgement, but better safe than sorry me thinks.
We'll know if I'm wrong if we see someone kill other than Pisuf or Iffo.
When was Yoyoma1910 converted? Wasn't their one more kill on N2 when Yoyoma1910 got blocked?
Are you sure about his abilities and the night in which he got converted?
I don't know for sure, but if I had to make a guess it would be N3. On N3, CA was supposed to be investigating LittleGrizzly. He said he was 'blocked' in this and produced a result about some religious guy running around in a black cape that stopped him from checking out LG. In hindsight, I was a total idiot to buy this because CA had told me that he gets his info directly from OsiOsi (investigation by prayer, not sneaking around peoples' houses like I did). I have also not seen ANY role claims or evidence that would correspond to some priest in a black cape running around with lots of followers preaching about god.
In addition, when CA first contacted me he talked about how he and I were a perfect team, since we would both be able to spot a faked role PM or statement. Based on what I have since learned, I think this was bravado by CA because he was sending me an altered role PM right then and there. It would make sense that he would feel confident that he could fake a night result that I would accept as real.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 13:09
I am a merchant, but used to be a war veteran who hated combat and war. ive got combat skills of 7, but i cannot issue any challenges (i can accept as defence tho)
I didnt want to say because i thought it might bring suspicion upon myself; but since i've been asked to, i can only reply (before i really do become suspicious).
I think we should have another look at Lord Winter. He claims Merchant with duel score of 7.
If you look at Andres' Merchant role, it says 4.
I know that a vanilla merchant role has only a 1 as duel score. I can't quote on my cell, so please have a look at Andres' duel text in his quoted role PM. You will realize that a one would be the natural score from "weak as the silk you sell".
A little late for that.....if I am wrong....I am sorry Lord Winter.:sweatdrop:
but on the bright side you will not be dead.....you will just lose that awesome Duel score sadly.....:no:
Nooooo! It was taka who claimed a 7! And yes, he is almost certainly guilty.
Nooooo! It was taka who claimed a 7! And yes, he is almost certainly guilty.
Ooops!!
That's what reading on a cellphone does to you.
I think taka has a second role with a high duel score and wouldn't want to be caught in a lie should he somehow be challenged. Doesn't mean he is guilty though, just wanting to protect his rather high score and his role. Another god?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 14:51
I dual with Seamus
I'd prefer a duel. I only "dual" with the wife, pal!
Yes, I concur that taka's duel score -- if as high as claimed -- STRONGLY suggests something more than he has indicated.
Arach is a threat. Lynch him. He has too high a chance, obviously, to beat any night-kill effort.
If I am viewed as a threat, have someone challenge me who's got a high score. They'll make short work of me and you can all divide up the mutton. Actually, this should probably take a higher priority than I'd like to say. I am turning up too often in people's worry lists.
Boudica is NOT telling her whole story (and arguably should not). Note, this does NOT mean she's a usurper. That is only one possibility. In this game, possibilites are boundless.
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 14:52
I'd prefer a duel. I only "dual" with the wife, pal!
:oops: I meant I will duel with dual swords just to make it more fun.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 14:58
:oops: I meant I will duel with dual swords just to make it more fun.
Your twin blades against my implements of choice: Crozier, sling, and belt-knife. Are you ready to
Rumble?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 15:10
I think it is pointless to have blackadder duel. If White_eyes comes online in time to change his target from lord winter to taka Iffo should be eliminated. 7 is higher than the watcher, higher than the sorcerer of vode, and equal to Reenk Roink. Can't be anyone but Iffo. Taka claimed his actual score because I'd said we should have lord winter and him duel.
Then tomorrow...
Yoyoma's statement to GH are probably related to one of the extra abilities that were added to CA's role after he chose his path (solo). I cannot quote that PM, but I think the name of the power speaks for itself: Conversion.
No, no...
You lied about a guilty result on a priest (moi)
You continue to push Captain Blackadder even though he seems innocent, and rejected my bait
You forgot to mention CA's power of conversion before when you were listing all his powers, and only bring it out when yoyoma supposedly confirms his innocence?
Given your role, your judgement is not to be trusted with regards to any person connected with gods or religion.
You lied about a guilty result on a priest (moi)
The result I got from Reenk said you were guilty. I had no side objectives other than outlasting the usurpers (ironically, Yoyoma can confirm this, since he investigated me and got my full role PM). You have also admitted that you were recruiting and working against the town. You'll forgive me if scoff at your repeated innocence claims.
You continue to push Captain Blackadder even though he seems innocent, and rejected my bait
On what basis does he seem innocent? Your bait was obvious and could easily have been seen through. The only thing I see about CB is that he claims as his 'real' role one that we know has been given as a 'cover' role by two people. That's pretty strong evidence that he's not who he claims to be. His actions with accepting and then withdrawing and the re-accepting (too late) the challenges are also scumtastic.
You forgot to mention CA's power of conversion before when you were listing all his powers, and only bring it out when yoyoma supposedly confirms his innocence?
I wanted to see who would rally to CA's defense, because I wasn't sure about Yoyoma. Once Yoyoma contacted GH, he confirmed my suspicions that he had been recruited.
Oh come on Sasaki, there's a possibility to be converted to scum. Don't tell me you didn't apply for the job already.
Knowing you, you got converted at the moment somebody typed "he has the power to conver...".
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 15:23
You have also admitted that you were recruiting and working against the town.
Your bait was obvious and could easily have been seen through.
Bahahaha! :laugh4:
On what basis does he seem innocent?
1) He sounds innocent
2) Taka is guilty
The real reason to lynch CA is because he killed me, or because he's lied about his role in the past. Not because of what senor atheist says...
The result I got from Reenk said you were guilty.
Sometimes I do think Reenk was just just messing with you/us...but it suits my purposes more to say that you're lying.
The real reason to lynch CA is because he killed me, or because he's lied about his role in the past. Not because of what senor atheist says...
FORMER Atheist, my friend. Former. As I stated before, I have been enlightened in death. After all, it's hard to deny the existence of Gods when you're in the afterlife.
am I the only person who is getting the feeling that W_E is lying through his teeth?
His attitude ever since Iffo was released has been very very scummy. Threatening to use his abilities at will, without any founded reason is very wierd.
Since I think Iffo possessed a townie which was formerly innocent, I think re-investigating everyone is in order, with priority to W_E.
EDIT: It would also explain the massive amount of investigators, since they would have to investigate for the usurpers then re-investigate for Iffo.
Reenk Roink
03-26-2009, 15:47
Where are the orders?
His attitude ever since Iffo was released has been very very scummy. Threatening to use his abilities at will, without any founded reason is very wierd.
The thing that I don't buy are his claims that his Iffo-defeating ability is a one-shot deal and that if he picks the wrong person he loses it. The only way that would be balanced is if he could also investigate, and he clearly can't do that because he's flailing around like crazy pointing fingers at people. If he could investigate, he would have kept quiet about his ability, investigated whoever he thought was guilty, and gone from there.
Reenk Roink
03-26-2009, 15:54
I have made no mistakes in the night writeups save forgetting to send one to a person and thus being late.
I read them to make sure.
LittleGrizzly
03-26-2009, 15:56
Where are the orders?
Nobody wants to kill anyone.. whats the problem ~;)
My order for tonight is to resurrect little grizzly
my order tomorrow night will be to kill Iffo
My order for the 3rd night is to raise an army of all the killers in the game to try and take on CA
well that should be the game pretty much wrapped up!
I'd like to order a chicken tikka massala, with rice please.
i need to go, but before i do, just to say that i actually have a battle rating of 6, but i was given an item at night which gave me +1 battle rating.
I think the bound to charity thing about iffo is that he must give an item away or something. kinda makes sense imo
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 17:18
You could always post your role pm.
I'd like to order a chicken tikka massala, with rice please.
No need to cook it though!
*Prepares fireball*
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 18:13
I'd appreciate it, Jolt, if you didn't resurrect in this thread and start a flame war. Thank you.
:clown:
You could always post your role pm.
Which one?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 19:26
Which one?
How about this one?
Hello Seamus Fermanagh, thanks for playing :bow:
Damn it Chas, how'd you get an extra fist under that beard? You just scare the poop outa me!
:stupido: You to Chuck Norris
You are a Diademned Battle Lord
Background:
Your line of work was never easy, though often glamorous and the girls were plentiful. The only fly in this ointment was the "untrustworthy one." That one barred your path at every opportunity and often served the interests of your hated rival Chuck Norris.
You are following him -- Sasaki Kojiro -- to bring justice and make sure he never oppresses others like he has oppressed you.
Battle Rating:
42 – Your battle skills are a thing of legend -- only Norris can oppose you openly and win.
Note: In the case of a duel against Sasaki, you must have neutralized his other role in the game or he is likely summon Chuck Norris and your chance of victory will be small indeed.
You may investigate Sasaki once per night. Each night you will have a cumulative 5% chance to learn everything about his in-game role.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast Sasaki Kojiro
Outlast the usurpers and settlers (solo victory)
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 19:48
But...but...I thought I recruited you into my cult!
That role PM is faked:
Note: In the case of a duel against Sasaki, you must have neutralized his other role in the game or he is likely summon Chuck Norris and your chance of victory will be small indeed.
Against Chuck Norris, there is NO chance of victory. Any role PM that allows for even a "small" chance of victory is obviously fabricated.
Reenk Roink
03-26-2009, 21:06
:stupido:
As dawn rose from her slumber the settlers saw that, for the first time in a long time, there were no murders! There was much rejoicing, although everyone had to be careful to avoid the pools of vomit left by the captain of something named Blackadder who apparently had a long night of hitting the sauce.
The party was ended as the priest king Reenk Roink emerged from his temple complex and announced: "While there were no murders today and it does seem that the usurpers have been foiled, there are still loose ends that have not been tied up. So go and tie them up!"
Challenge List:
Alive:
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelreng
Sigurd
Seamus Fermanagh
Executed:
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Jolt
Fallen in battle:
Killed:
TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
LittleGrizzly
Day ends on Friday, March 27, 16:00 Eastern
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 21:13
So...white_eyes, what do you have to report?
Seamus Fermanagh
03-26-2009, 21:14
Welly, welly, well.
As promised, and hearing no definitive town commentary to the contrary, I:
Challenge: Captain Blackadder
and
Vote: Count Arach.
I'm 'suadable if better ideas and/or vote targets surface. I'll monitor.
EDIT:
Sasaki-san has posed a pertinent question.
Also, as TinCow rightly notes, the PM was faked. Chuck is, of course, invincible.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 21:14
The thing that I don't buy are his claims that his Iffo-defeating ability is a one-shot deal and that if he picks the wrong person he loses it.
I never hinted at it being a shot-ability and your digging too much into it:inquisitive:......I only wanted to make Lord Winter, spill the beans....clearly he didn't (or can't):shrug:
The only way that would be balanced is if he could also investigate, and he clearly can't do that because he's flailing around like crazy pointing fingers at people. If he could investigate, he would have kept quiet about his ability, investigated whoever he thought was guilty, and gone from there.One, Pisuf could have killed me....I didn't want that and could give early warning to town, that Pisuf is SK(which we know anyway)....if "The Watcher" lost....what chance does his apprentice have??? Two, Being his apprentice, I have no really good ability's other then stopping Iffo....I tried investigating Andres on night one....and I got his Merchant cover role...I also investigated CB on night two and got his Priest cover role:brood:...after all that, I figured investigating is worthless, since I will never get a "real result" (My role is pretty humorous compared to LG's....it's like I idolized "The Watcher" but never was nearly as good :laugh4:).
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 21:17
So...white_eyes, what do you have to report?
I didn't use it.....I don't want people lynching me over them losing there duel score.....:juggle2: Unless I am sure it is Iffo...(I doubt it works on anyone else...:sweatdrop: or Pisuf would be a crappy beggar right now....:clown:)
Any night without a kill is a perfect night. As the Iffo situation remains unclear, the best option is to get the first CountArach lynch over with.
[edit] Worth nothing, however, that Blackadder was blocked last night, which could explain Iffo's lack of appearance.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 21:23
Ok...ehhh.
Lynch CA, have yoyoma duel blackadder, and have white_eyes take on taka.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 21:29
I'll help the town in the best way possible: by finally, finally, shutting the heck up. :bounce:
This I do for the town. For the Priest King! For the righteous Gods! For Townies everywhere! I feel a speech coming on. It's in spoilers as it's quite lengthy.
:kiss:I intend to post this speech every hour, on the hour, until we win! I won't break my promise, I promise!
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 21:34
white_eyes take on taka.
You want me.....to take on a monster like taka????:inquisitive: fine....Challenge:taka
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 21:36
I mean tonight...isn't your role to eliminate Iffo at night? Mind posting your role pm?
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 21:42
I mean tonight...isn't your role to eliminate Iffo at night? Mind posting your role pm?:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: I am going to trust you??? I have my own plan for luring Iffo out......:smash:
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 22:20
Can I post my real role pm now... :angel:
It's against the rules, technically, but I wanna.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 22:25
Got the go-ahead from the host. Here it is:
Hello Askthepizzaguy, thanks for playing :bow: Now that you are dead, here is your real role.
The steaming, piping hot slice of justice; I shall deliver upon thee like a delivery person of some sort, carrying pizza. Like some sort of pizza guy.
:stupido: Askthepizzaguy, regarding himself
You are the Zombie Lord
Background:
You love being dead. Death is the most wonderful feeling... you never have to be questioned or accused of being scum. It is that which cleanses the body of sin, and the mind of shame or fear. Once dead, you are unstoppable. You pray to the Dark God Vode, and he has given you powers beyond those of all other mortal men. Once dead, it is your mission to convert all the other dead people to the side of Vode. If you manage to convert a dead God, then you will have enslaved a God as the property of Vode, binding him in the chains of servitude. You will also begin feeding upon the innocent, because their blood and flesh gives you strength.
Your side mission is to destroy the Tax Collector, because any who give their money to the Tax Collector end up without any money to tithe to the Temple of Vode, which funds the armies of Vode among the living.
Battle Rating:
Infinite – As you are already dead, nothing can destroy you in a duel. However, if a priest of Kefy, the Earth Goddess, casts a spell of banishment, you will be banished forever.
Victory Conditions:
Destroy the Tax collector
Destroy all the settlers (usurper victory)
or
Destroy any living God and convert them to serve Vode. (Vode victory)
I was pro-town until you lynched me. Is it any wonder I wanted to die?
I recommend no duels at all. We have no guarantee that they will prove anything and it's far more likely that it will just result in one fewer townie voting during the day. With this insistence on dueling, the remaining scum could continue to refrain from killing at night and still keep whittling us down. Better to duel no one, lynch CA twice, and block CB during the nights until CA is dealt with and we can spare a lynch for him.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 22:32
My role pm makes so much more sense now.
edit: the bit about banishment was a little vague reenk.
I recommend no duels at all. We have no guarantee that they will prove anything and it's far more likely that it will just result in one fewer townie voting during the day. With this insistence on dueling, the remaining scum could continue to refrain from killing at night and still keep whittling us down. Better to duel no one, lynch CA twice, and block CB during the nights until CA is dealt with and we can spare a lynch for him.
I disagree, duels are awesome.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 22:50
Yep, my role is the awesomest ever. I think that Reenk wrote the roles to reflect what he knew of the personalities of the people he gave the roles to.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 22:55
Why don't we ask CA to duel taka? I'm pretty sure taka is Iffo...no reason for him to have that duel score.
Besides, a 10 vs 7 duel would be sweet.
Lord Winter
03-26-2009, 23:02
Vote: Count Arch
We can not allow an ultra powerful god serial killer to live for much longer. Even if he is pro town we should at least get one of the lynches out of the way so we can keep in line by threatening to kill him if things go wrong.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 23:02
I might reveal my role to Pisuf.....advice on this????:sweatdrop: (I might need his help on this one...)
Lord Winter
03-26-2009, 23:03
Why not simply post your pm in the thread?
I might reveal my role to Pisuf.....advice on this????:sweatdrop: (I might need his help on this one...)
Sure, why not. Your statements have been utterly irrational and inherently unbelievable for so long now that I'll go along with it. Go wild, spill your guts. Tell him your deepest, darkest secrets. I'm sure you two will make a lovely pair and live happily ever after.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2009, 23:06
Why not simply post your pm in the thread?
Because I can't trust anyone who might be a servant of Iffo...(I think he has a few...)Sasaki.....ATPG....Lord Winter....Everyone.....:juggle2: yep....I have sort of lost it....trusting a Serial Killer god....:wall:
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 23:19
Vote Count Arach
Can I post what Reenk said when I was role blocked?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 23:27
Vote Count Arach
Can I post what Reenk said when I was role blocked?
Yeah.
Btw, CountArach, you will probably die tomorrow unless you take out Iffo. So it is definitely in your interest to challenge taka.
And, taka, if you refuse his challenge, you will almost certainly get lynched.
edit: Fight! Fight! Fight! Don't let the game end without a single duel!
I am going to trust you???
I believe the point is we don't trust you.
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2009, 23:31
You retire to your simple home at night, saddened at the situation the settlement is in. Being a noble man in the true sense however, you do not wish any ill on those that wish ill on you. Rather, you begin to spend the entire night in prayer, calling on the gods to guide your fellow settlers' hearts.
After praying for quite some time, you hear a knock on your door. Opening it, you find a bottle of wine with a pretty ribbon on it. Although you intended to pray the entire night, you take this as a sign from OsiOsi that he is pleased with you and wishes you enjoy yourself for your service. So you drink, and your troubles go away.
Once again it shows that I am innocent
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2009, 23:35
I do think a demon would be able to handle more than a bottle of wine before vomiting everywhere. Although I suppose it wouldn't be hell if it had booze.
CountArach
03-26-2009, 23:46
Challenge: taka
just got back :sweatdrop: well tired
i will comply to role request, but give me about 2 minutes while i find it. i deleted a while back and had to ask reenk for a new copy
as with CA's challenge - i'm gonna be squished arent i? o well, here goes
accept challenge
nice to have know you all, even though all i wanted was peace
here it is
Hello taka, thanks for playing :bow:
Much of the information contained in this message is not necessarily true and not available in all locations and valid for a limited time only.
:stupido: Terms and conditions
You are a Merchant
Background:
You were a veteran General of the old lands, gifted with superb skills in battle and a worthy opponent to any that faced you – the perfect soldier. But you hated killing and bloodshed. You decided to leave the battlefield of war and now that is all in the past. You looked for peace and got it.
You now make your living by selling your products to other people who either do not need them or would be better off buying other products.
However, life for a merchant is tough in the big city with all the competition, which leads to drama, then politics, then violence. Because of this you got together with a few of your merchant acquaintances to decide what to do next.
Common sense eventually dictated that you all go find new settlements to live in. This way there would be less competition leading to more demand leading to more profit. You all agreed to follow this plan; all but one.
One among you decided instead to write a book about this plan and submit it to the local priest king. The priest king was so impressed by this plan’s applicability that he elevated the author to the chief administrative office and declared that he had invented a new science called Economics.
Somewhat jealous at your acquaintance’s newfound success, you nevertheless are optimistic at testing the unsaturated markets of the new settlements.
Battle Rating:
6 – You are a veteran. Your military training, natural talent of with weapons, years of battle experience and war victories has hardened you to be one of the best warriors of the land. Very few can match your skill – even after leaving the battlefield.
Note: Because you hate killing and bloodshed, you may not issue any challenges. However, you may accept challenges as your defence.
Victory Conditions:
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2009, 23:58
LOL I love the quote.
well reenk does indeed come up with some awesome stuff :laugh4:
Is it my impression, or does it seem like the background of the Role PM seems to be quite forged? Furthermore, a Merchant with 6 (Even if it was an old war veteran)?? Heck, the Watcher was an elite warrior, and he didn't take up another trade. He was a warrior up until the time he came to the settlement. Supposedly, your warrior was being a merchant for quite some time now. How that racks up a 6 (Being able to duel my character) is beyond me. I'd already say a 5 is over-exagerated.
White_eyes:D
03-27-2009, 00:24
Is it my impression, or does it seem like the background of the Role PM seems to be quite forged? Furthermore, a Merchant with 6 (Even if it was an old war veteran)?? Heck, the Watcher was an elite warrior, and he didn't take up another trade. He was a warrior up until the time he came to the settlement. Supposedly, your warrior was being a merchant for quite some time now. How that racks up a 6 (Being able to duel my character) is beyond me. I'd already say a 5 is over-exagerated.
I second this.....Mine is crappy....it's at shlin dual score....:shame: weird how he has such a high score.....:shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2009, 00:25
How much you want to bet it's as fake as mine?
guess the watcher wasn't elite-enough :laugh4:
dunno, i thought 6 wasnt that much to be honest at first, since pifsu (or whatever the name) has 10. i'm assuming the ratings are out of 10, and 6 /10 isnt that great. but yea, you guys with 6 seem to be underpowered no? :P gah i dunno, search me :S investigate me, whatever. i accepted the duel and i'm gonna die anyway
but im not the only merchant with a base rate of 1, saw some post a while back with a 2? and someone said a 4? bleh
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2009, 00:50
I am overwhelmed.
Lord Winter
03-27-2009, 01:00
If taka is scum it makes no sense that he would reveal like he did. All the scum have been given fairly normal cover PM's so he would have no need to fake anything.
@Taka Reenk said that the greatest warrior on earth was a 7.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2009, 01:02
Interesting that Pisuf has a 10. Then again he's not from this world.
Lord Winter
03-27-2009, 01:03
Just another reason to kill him soon,
10 is the maximum. 7 is demi-god like. 6 is for the best warriors in the world (AKA me). So...yeah, 6 is gigantically collosally exagerated for a peace-loving war veteran who doesn't fight in a while.
thank you for your rational thoughts lord winter :bow:
as with the battle rating: huh? isnt that pisfu person with a 10? well it doesnt make me the strongest anyway. The person we need to look for is the person with the 7 battle rating as standard. i think he is the daemon and it would make sense to think that.
now, i'm actually wondering if pisfu is iffo under disguise of a daemon. why was he casted out as a god?
Captain Blackadder
03-27-2009, 01:09
Taka I know this is bringing something on from another game I noticed in the psycho mafia at the end you said that this was your first time as a pro town role does this mean here you are anti town?
no, i am a townie (hence: Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)). and plus psycho started before this so time-wise it was the first time i was a pro-town.
edit
im surprised no one has bashed me yet. seems to me that iffo is keeping his head low.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-27-2009, 04:21
If you are Iffo, taka, we can hardly expect you to suicide.
If you are not Iffo, we can hardly expect Iffo to bother with you on the chopping block.
Lynching Arach once is correct. Lynching him twice may be even better -- but he deserves to continue his effort to prove we shouldn't.
Blackadder, you have yet to accept? Does the thought of crozier leave you in fear?
Captain Blackadder
03-27-2009, 04:25
Sorry about that I thought I had
Accept Seamus
_Tristan_
03-27-2009, 08:47
Vote : Count Arach
Pisuf has to be kept in line
I am all in favour of bringing CountArach one step closer to mortality - he is an overpowered serial killer and should be treated as such.
vote: CountArach
Now here's why I lost sleep last night over this (most excellent :bow:) game:
It has already been noted that White_Eyes:D claim of being able to 'reseal' - as he puts it - the demon Iffo is far from convincing.
Yesterday I thought that his claim to be the Watcher's Apprentice would explain his eagerness to challenge ATPG back on day 1: It made sense to me that he would want to demonstrate his strength and pro-towniness (although why such a strong pro-town role would want to kill indiscriminantly on day 1 clearly got my subconscious in a tangle), but then I woke up at 4 am this morning (curse you Reenk! and curse this most excellent game!) with the clue at the forefront of my mind and that he was challenging on day one for a very different reason.
As soon as I remembered one simple precedent regarding White_Eyes:D playing style; the rest of the holes in his story quickly became more obvious.
In YLC's game Dark Vacuum, White_Eyes:D was made an easy lynch on Day 1 - he even voted for himself - and this was because he had a very basic townie role with no special powers. I put it to you that he was keen to challenge Askthepizzaguy on Day 1 for the very same reason.
In support of my suspicions:
1) In Little Grizzly's Watcher Role PM it specifically stated that he - The Watcher - was the ONLY one of Reenks Bronze companions to be dwelling amongst the settlers in order to root out the usurpers. White_Eyes:D may claim that he is not a 'Bronze Companion' per se, but his use of the warrior smiley (:knight:) in his 'reveal' kind of implies that he was happy to use that image to strengthen his claim as The Watcher's Apprentice
& 2) If Little Grizzly had an apprentice then he would surely be aware of it!
White_Eyes:D has been very indiscriminate with his accusations ever since Iffo was released and has consistently attempted to reinforce his value to town because of his amazingly vague night time powers.
More likely they will ally.....:sweatdrop: I will need to pull out my trick for this one.....(Can't have Pisuf Ally with Iffo....good thing I was still around...:clown:)
I would bet my whole 2 groats on the fact that he began the game as a basic townie role - farmer, beggar, potter - take your pick - and that possession by Iffo has been the first exciting thing to happen to him all game.
I would move that CountArach challenge White_Eyes:D (unless he wants to do town a favour and confess...???) as I suspect possession by a demon strengthens a chap - even if he's only usually used to wielding a hoe.
Basically - If White_Eyes:D turns out to be The Watchers' Apprentice - then I'm Mickey Mouse
Battle Rating:
6 – You are a veteran. Your military training, natural talent of with weapons, years of battle experience and war victories has hardened you to be one of the best warriors of the land. Very few can match your skill – even after leaving the battlefield.
Note: Because you hate killing and bloodshed, you may not issue any challenges. However, you may accept challenges as your defence.
I don't know. Combining the fact that this game has few rules and Reenk drawing inspiration from Midgard, I am a little reluctant to jump on board the "taka is guilty" boat.
I had the sick pleasure of tailoring the role PMs individually so that it would certainly get players in trouble should they reveal. A combination of intentional misspellings and several PM designs for each role got a few players in trouble.
The of with in taka's role could be such an intentional misspelling. Or it could be taka changing his PM and forgot to remove clues to deleted information.
I get the feeling that there are multiple levels of deception going on and I am out of the loop.
I am on an island of solitude
White_eyes:D
03-27-2009, 09:56
I already addressed all of that boudica....
One, Pisuf could have killed me....I didn't want that and could give early warning to town, that Pisuf is SK(which we know anyway)....if "The Watcher" lost....what chance does his apprentice have??? Two, Being his apprentice, I have no really good ability's other then stopping Iffo....I tried investigating Andres on night one....and I got his Merchant cover role...I also investigated CB on night two and got his Priest cover role...after all that, I figured investigating is worthless, since I will never get a "real result" (My role is pretty humorous compared to LG's....it's like I idolized "The Watcher" but never was nearly as good ).I never said I was in Reenks Bronze companions....I said I was more a VERY big fan of "The Watcher" for some reason:inquisitive:. I know how Iffo was tricked into a contract of charity, thanks to being a fan who hears of all "The Watchers" deeds....which is why I know how to reseal him.."The Watchers apprentice" is more of a joke for my guy who has a worser dual score then a farmer......:brood:.
White_eyes:D
03-27-2009, 10:00
Challenge:boudica Let's settle this on a soil field....If I am Iffo as you say:bow:...it should be clear I will win(since my dual score sucks)....but if you are Iffo then you well refuse for fear of being resealed....:inquisitive:
I have something to say.
Ahem...
*cough*
Hmmm...
*cough*
Rrrrhmmm...
*hatchie!* *cough* *cough*
Here it comes, put it into spoilers, because it's long:
taka's role pm is fake! He's almost certain to be an usurper! Lynch taka!!!!
That is all. Oh, and make sure CountArach dies, but I think it's less important than lynching taka.
I have something to say.
taka's role pm is fake! He's almost certain to be an usurper! Lynch taka!!!!
That is all
Why do you think so?
Why do you think so?
You'll have to blindly trust me on that.
I completely agree with boudica on the problems with W_E's story. I urge everyone to read her post. I'll also add the following: what are the odds that W_E would have a role that doesn't even become useful until Iffo is released, when Iffo's role in itself doesn't become useful until The Watcher is released? That seems like one step too far on the role balancing.
While I am loathe to abandon the suspicion on CB, if I had to pick one and only one suspect for Iffo at this point, I would pick White_eyes:D.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2009, 14:12
White_eyes is clearly avoiding posting his role pm.
I completely agree with boudica on the problems with W_E's story. I urge everyone to read her post. I'll also add the following: what are the odds that W_E would have a role that doesn't even become useful until Iffo is released, when Iffo's role in itself doesn't become useful until The Watcher is released? That seems like one step too far on the role balancing.
While I am loathe to abandon the suspicion on CB, if I had to pick one and only one suspect for Iffo at this point, I would pick White_eyes:D.
I don't necessarily think White_Eyes:D is Iffo - I just think that his Watcher's Apprentice claim is nonsense. Given Capt. Blackadder's posted message from Sasaki, I would still say CB is the most likely suspect for Iffo. Maybe White_Eyes:D simply invented his role to make himself seem more useful to town than - what I deduce - is a vanilla common man role. Not sure why you would challenge me White_Eyes:D, but I guess its just a knee-jerk reaction to my comments on you. If I were to accept and you ARE the townie I think you are then Pisuf, Iffo and any Usurper aligned roles still lurking around would be laughing into their hats watching two common men dook it out in the mud - weakening town's voting strength. :thumbsdown:
reject: White_Eyes:D
I DO understand how duelling will become useful, but I think we have plenty to act apon without me getting my hoe dirty quite yet.
I don't necessarily think White_Eyes:D is Iffo - I just think that his Watcher's Apprentice claim is nonsense.
The way I see it, W_E is trying to avoid being seen as Iffo by setting himself up as the anti-Iffo. He acts like he's got special information and abilities to fight Iffo, going so far as to invent appropriate sounding words and capitalize them (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2187512&postcount=1373) to make them seem more significant. He's gone out of his way to make sure everyone knows he's claiming to be the only person who can stop Iffo, which is totally pointless since he wasn't under threat of lynch and doing so would only have made him a target for Iffo if it was true.
Also worth noting another inconsistency in W_E's role claim. W_E claims he can "Seal" or "reseal" Iffo. That has nothing to do with how he was bound in the first place. Iffo was bound because he signed a contract (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2185908&postcount=1214), kind of a trick of the devil type thing. Why would W_E be "resealing" Iffo, when Iffo was never "Sealed" in the first place?
This is on top of boudica's note that The Watcher was specifically stated to be "the only one of the Bronze Companions who does not reside inside the walls of the priest king's Temple Complex." Yet, W_E claims to be The Watcher's Apprentice. Apprentice has a very specific meaning which indicates a formal training relationship. This would make the Apprentice a Bronze Companion in training and makes it very unlikely that The Watcher's role PM wouldn't mention him in any manner. When confronted with this, W_E then claims he's more of a Watcher Fanboi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2189285&postcount=1490). Really? Then why is his role title "Apprentice"?
For a while I entertained the notion that W_E was doing this to intentionally make himself a target for Iffo, possibly to spare another townie. I think the odds of that being true are now very slim. W_E is probably Iffo.
LittleGrizzly
03-27-2009, 15:07
As much as i like the idea of a fanboy or an apprentice im thinking TC could be right... WE what say you to TC's accusations ?
Though i think we should continue with the CA lynch for today... get him down to one lynch then if we think we have iffo we kill/lynch him next... if the game finishes with CA still alive we owe him an apolgy... if it doesn't every person must vote for him!
I agree that CA should be today's lynch. I recommend that the blocker go after W_E.
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