KOTF OOC Thread

[Zim]

OOC thread for the KOTF forum :yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nice, we're really chugging along here. Do we have a set start date in mind yet?

[Zim]

Some of it will depend on getting the FAQ up and any other sub-threads we need. I'll finish the rules tonight trying to work off the discussion thus far.

I'm going to set up the order avatars are chosen in tonight as well (just find some randomizing program to set up with those in the signup thread, most likely).

Then we need our minimod and we're good to go. That's the part I see taking the longest...

[Ignoramus]

Just a quick note to say that I won't be back online until Monday, as I'm going away with my family for a short holiday.

[econ21]

This may be a better place to respond to GHs query in the sign-up thread:


BTW, if you have time, I would love to hear your opinion on how the Battle of Trent (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=100878), which ended KotR, went. Your opinion would mean a lot to me.

Well, as the dying Boromir said to Aragorn: "You did what I could not." That was a really well administered tabletop battle. :bow: I jumped ship because I just could not find the time to pull it off, so I understand how much went into overseeing it. I am glad you got the "tabletop" system to work as I really like the system of giving orders, allowing for breakdowns in communication and fog of war etc. I suspect it simulates the problem of command better than electronic Total War battles (MP or SP). But it is so time consuming it may be best reserved for the truly climactic engagements. Not only does the umpire have to devote a couple of weeks worth of evenings/weekends etc to it, the rest of the game has to be frozen for one battle that would be resolved in a couple of hours if it were vs the AI.

As for the battle itself, I think it was Lothar who put it best: it was an execution, not a battle. :sweatdrop: Hats off to Rameses for that shocking twist. Indeed, my general impression with the tabletop battles is that they are decided before the first shot is fired - by numbers. The method of combat resolution tends to emphasise attrition rather than tactical brilliance (with FHs turn 4 at Bern being a jaw dropping exception), so that the battle is determined by who turns up with the better army. I am not sure we came up with good, well understood mechanics for resolving that in WotS or KotR, since civil war was not part of the initial game design, but may be the successor game has cracked that. Personally, I am looking forward to getting into character (hopefully one with lots of vices n virtues) and writing some stories in this new game rather than engaging in open civil war, but then again contemplative peace-loving nobility probably did not thrive in the middle ages...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, looking at the signup thread, we have the following people:

Zim
TheFlax
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Cecil XIX
GeneralHankerchief
TinCow
YLC
Ignoramus
everyone
mini
Rowan
Tristan de Castelreng
Dafug3
Vladimir
Ibn-Khaldun
econ21
Marcus Agrippa

Looks like a good start. I've also PM'd AG, prodding him to get him in here, so maybe that'll be one more.

Zim, are you planning on taking a character? If so, you should definitely get first pick, as is a GM's prerogative.

-edit- Many thanks. :bow:

-edit2- And I'd like to welcome our new players Vladimir, Dafug3, and Marcus Agrippa, as well as our EB RPG refugees everyone and CDF. :yes:

[Zim]

AG has plenty of time, I think it will take a couple days to get the mod together (gotta find someone who can do it, plus get that names file to Tristan). I think I'm going to enter everyone from the signin thread into a randomizer to determine who picks in what order.

I wasn't planning on having a character. It worked well in KOTR, but I can see why TinCow avoided it in LOTR. Especially with that and this game allowing me to create events...

[Cecil XIX]

Here's descr_names.txt (http://rapidshare.com/files/250874993/descr_names.txt.html) and descr_names_lookup.txt (http://rapidshare.com/files/250875487/descr_names_lookup.txt.html).

The former is easy to understand: names are sorted primarily by faction, and subdivided into men's first names ('characters'), surnames, bynames and women's first names.

I have no idea how the latter file works though, it seems to have names from RTW and MIITW in a seemily random order. I'd guess that whatever additions/removals/changes you make to one file you make to the other, but I recommend that Tristran doublecheck that.

[TinCow]

Indeed, my general impression with the tabletop battles is that they are decided before the first shot is fired - by numbers. The method of combat resolution tends to emphasise attrition rather than tactical brilliance (with FHs turn 4 at Bern being a jaw dropping exception), so that the battle is determined by who turns up with the better army. I am not sure we came up with good, well understood mechanics for resolving that in WotS or KotR, since civil war was not part of the initial game design, but may be the successor game has cracked that. Personally, I am looking forward to getting into character (hopefully one with lots of vices n virtues) and writing some stories in this new game rather than engaging in open civil war, but then again contemplative peace-loving nobility probably did not thrive in the middle ages...

LotR had mixed success with PvP. The battles themselves worked pretty well, with several tabletop battles being fought without any problems as well as two multiplayer battles, which were great for spectators because the battle replays worked properly. However, the rule set for LotR made it difficult for a battle to occur in the first place and this made civil wars pretty anticlimactic for most of the game. Part of the current discussion for the next game is how to resolve this problem.

That pretty much sums up how I feel about LotR in general: many improvements that made the game better, but lots of flaws with the system that prevented it from really coming into its own. Fortunately, a lot of those problems were ironed out along the way so we don't have to deal with them anymore. The 'Royal Army' system that was pioneered in KotR has transformed into an excellent and very efficient system for private ownership of military units, as have the rules for IC legislation and OOC rule changes. The built-in ability for the GM to launch 'events' at will also helps a great deal. However, the House structure and the PvP mechanics were never properly polished up during the game and we're still trying to resolve the problems with them now.

[Snowygerry]

Greetings,

I’ve been an avid follower of your subforum since the days of KotR, always in a lurking capacity due to lack of
full internet privileges at work.
Let me tell you, the joint efforts of you guys have helped me spend many a quiet afternoon in this place, for which you have my thanks.

I decided to join now, firstly because I can :beam:, but mainly to remind you that there are probably a lot of people following your exploits who never register because they can’t, or just don’t take the trouble to do so.

I would be tempted to join the next instalment of your game (be it in some minor capacity), there is however one obstacle remaining so don’t regard this as an official sign up yet.
Although I now have full internet access both at work and at home, my actual gaming comp is not connected to the web, and it would require some juggling with dvd’s and usb – sticks to get the whole thing set up.
As soon as a workable mini-mod and some saves are up I will do some experimenting.
Some tips from people who have faced similar problems, especially with regards to uploading saves would be welcome.

Regards.

[Rowan]

Indeed, my general impression with the tabletop battles is that they are decided before the first shot is fired - by numbers. The method of combat resolution tends to emphasise attrition rather than tactical brilliance (with FHs turn 4 at Bern being a jaw dropping exception), so that the battle is determined by who turns up with the better army.

Based on my experience fighting the Battle of Antiokheia I'd say there's also a big part of "He who makes the least mistakes, wins."
There are just too much things to remember to take everything into consideration when giving orders and trying to prepare for all eventualities. As such I think it simulates the role of army commander in medieval times quite well, you have to trust your lieutenants to take initiative and messengers for the overall picture.

For example, if woad&fangs had used his ram the western wall would have fallen and the whole battle would have been completely different, with most of the fighting mainly on the narrow streets. The whole southern sally would have been a sideshow, or it would have never happened if the southern ram had reached the gate before Bart & Tagaris. And at deployment I forgot to explicitly state that the troops should be positioned on top of the walls and not behind them and guess where GH put them :clown: Or committing my reinforcements I drew a map with a pretty arrow pointing towards the western gate, while in the actual orders only saying "gate". And guess where they went? Not west.


It would be a bigger workload for the umpires, but if there's another big (multiple generals on both sides) tabletop in KOTF I'd like us to expand on the "You only know what you can see or what your messengers tell you" -angle.
Basically all commanders receive a textual representation of the battle based on what they can see or what messengers tell them. This would require the overall commanders to stay on higher ground where they can observe the battle. Committing their reserve (which they would be commanding) would be a last ditch resort because their control of the battle would then be lost until they could extricate themselves from the battle again. Subordinate commanders wouldn't have the same overall knowledge of how the battle is going, only their immediate surroundings, even less if engaged in battle.

[Rowan]

Greetings,

I’ve been an avid follower of your subforum since the days of KotR, always in a lurking capacity due to lack of
full internet privileges at work.
Let me tell you, the joint efforts of you guys have helped me spend many a quiet afternoon in this place, for which you have my thanks.

I decided to join now, firstly because I can :beam:, but mainly to remind you that there are probably a lot of people following your exploits who never register because they can’t, or just don’t take the trouble to do so.

I would be tempted to join the next instalment of your game (be it in some minor capacity), there is however one obstacle remaining so don’t regard this as an official sign up yet.
Although I now have full internet access both at work and at home, my actual gaming comp is not connected to the web, and it would require some juggling with dvd’s and usb – sticks to get the whole thing set up.
As soon as a workable mini-mod and some saves are up I will do some experimenting.
Some tips from people who have faced similar problems, especially with regards to uploading saves would be welcome.

Regards.

Welcome, I was in the same boat as you when LotR was starting, having spent many a boring hour at work following KotR, but never signing up.

If you can get the M2TW/Kingdoms and LTC transferred to your gaming PC the saves shouldn't be too much of a hassle, they are much smaller. You can practice the whole thing by installing all the LotR stuff and trying to load one of the LotR saves. I'd imagine that the process for KOTF will be quite identical, except for requiring Kingdoms.

[Snowygerry]

Welcome, I was in the same boat as you when LotR was starting, having spent many a boring hour at work following KotR, but never signing up.

If you can get the M2TW/Kingdoms and LTC transferred to your gaming PC the saves shouldn't be too much of a hassle, they are much smaller. You can practice the whole thing by installing all the LotR stuff and trying to load one of the LotR saves. I'd imagine that the process for KOTF will be quite identical, except for requiring Kingdoms.


Both MTW and Kingdoms are already installed, and I installed several other mods (Third Age Total War being the last one - amazing job those guys did) so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
I'm more worried about taking and uploading saves in a reasonable amount of time, as I have to take the save, copy it, play the game, transfer the save and upload it again (whitin a couple of hours I believe?).

As soon as the game gets started, I will do some tests, and see how it goes.

[Zim]

Welcome Snowygerry!

Are your gaming and internet computers both at home? If so getting the save from one to the other shouldn't be too hard. I used to have to do the same. :yes:

I should have the rules finalized within the day. Tomorrow I'm also going to get LTC on my computer and see about whatever minimod we're using. Once that's done we can recruit our rbs and set up an order for people to pick their avatars.

I forsee the first Council session opening very soon, within the week depending on how long the minimod, picking characters, etc. takes. Main thing is it might be after this weekend. The 4rth is going to be pretty busy for me (stuck doing guard duty for an event Friday-Sudnay) but my schedule clears completely starting Monday. :2thumbsup:

[AussieGiant]

So I'm about to purchase Kingdom's via Amazon. Once I freshly install MTWII and Kingdom's then I'm in position to apply the mods.

Can someone please confirm?

[_Tristan_]

@ AG : Yep, you'll only have to download and install the LTC mod that got chosen plus the minimod required for RGB and namechanges if I can do it...

EDIT : I'm checking right now in the Modders' section about the namefile changes in order to implement them...

[Snowygerry]

Welcome Snowygerry!

Are your gaming and internet computers both at home? If so getting the save from one to the other shouldn't be too hard. I used to have to do the same. :yes:


I have internet - access at work, and at home I can use the connected computer of a roommate, so using an usb-stick for the save, I really only foresee timing issues.
(Being off-line on weekends, roommate being busy etc.)

Furthermore since I’m planning on starting out with some minor character, quite a lot of orders can be given by simple text messages, updating an SOT-thread etc, so quickly down/uploading the save will probable not be necessary each and every turn.

Anyway thanks for the welcome and I’ll keep you posted.

[AussieGiant]

I'm screwed.

Kingdoms will arrive between the 13th and 20th of July!!! I can't increase the delivery speed. :wall:

[ULC]

I'm screwed.

Kingdoms will arrive between the 13th and 20th of July!!! I can't increase the delivery speed. :wall:

Not screwed persee, ways around it temporarily...but anyway, that means you won't be quite ready for the opening then. I am sure we can make an exception, since wherever you are it seems package delivery is still made by horse and buggy :laugh4::clown:

[AussieGiant]

Not screwed persee, ways around it temporarily...but anyway, that means you won't be quite ready for the opening then. I am sure we can make an exception, since wherever you are it seems package delivery is still made by horse and buggy :laugh4::clown:

Normally I can select airmail or priority express and it's here between a 3 to 5 days. In this instance that was not possible.

[ULC]

Normally I can select airmail or priority express and it's here between a 3 to 5 days. In this instance that was not possible.

:inquisitive::laugh4:

Oh, the rotten luck...

Can you buy an online copy?

[AussieGiant]

:inquisitive::laugh4:

Oh, the rotten luck...

Can you buy an online copy?

What do you mean by "online"?

[ULC]

What do you mean by "online"?

It's a copy that you buy that registeres the game online for you, skipping the entire CD/DVD, and downloads it directly to your computer. Not only do you not need a physical copy, but if you have to reformat, want to install it on another computer, etc, you may download it as many times as you need.

Check here. (http://www.direct2drive.com/4704/product/Buy-Medieval-2:-Total-War(TM)-Kingdoms-Download)

[AussieGiant]

Does that install a "client" on your machine or just a simple down load authorisation?

[ULC]

Does that install a "client" on your machine or just a simple down load authorisation?

A client, similar to Steam.

[TinCow]

Good point YLC, though Steam has it at $15 (http://store.steampowered.com/app/4780/) rather than the $30 for D2D. I currently love Steam, so I shall do that unless I stumble across a hard copy while I'm out today.

Ignore the above... just realized the Steam version of Kingdoms requires the Steam version of M2TW as well. Guess I'll have to scrounge up a hard copy version as well.

[AussieGiant]

Good point YLC, though Steam has it at $15 (http://store.steampowered.com/app/4780/) rather than the $30 for D2D. I currently love Steam, so I shall do that unless I stumble across a hard copy while I'm out today.

Ignore the above... just realized the Steam version of Kingdoms requires the Steam version of M2TW as well. Guess I'll have to scrounge up a hard copy version as well.

That's exacly my problem TC.

I've got a hard copy of M2TW so I need the DVD version. That's going to take 5 to 11 working days!!

Boooo!!

[TinCow]

I think we've still got some time. The rules don't appear to have been finalized quite yet, which is a prerequisite of starting.

[TheFlax]

I'd just like to mention that buying from D2D might be risky. From my past experience with them, you can't mod the games you download there, unlike with Steam. I have no idea if that's the case with M2TW and Kingdoms, but it was with Oblivion.

[Vladimir]

Ahh, the joys of Wal-Mart.

Really though; given how buggy MII was how can you not have Kingdoms?

[TinCow]

Just ordered it on Amazon, since my local shops didn't have it in. $9 with shipping, though I'm not quite sure when it will get here.

[Cecil XIX]

Ah, the beauty of buying games years after their release. :laugh4:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If everything goes as planned then tomorrow I'll have a brand new(at least for me) Kingdoms DVD on my hands.:2thumbsup:

[Cecil XIX]

Man, there was *tons* of discussion yesterday, even into the wee hours of the night! (At least for me. :sweatdrop:) It's great to see such enthusiasm.

[TheFlax]

:yes:

I was up all day refreshing the forum, waiting for replies and there was not much. Then I wake up today and find out that there's a ton of new posts! (Not complaining) I'm glad to see such enthusiasm, probably Zim will be happy too. :clown:

[AussieGiant]

It's gone a little banana's hey!! :2thumbsup:

[econ21]

Is anyone else spoilt by PBMs? I find it has made it hard to play Total War any other way.

I load up LTC as English to try out what sounds like an excellent mod but I just stare at the screen, then quit. I feel no enthusiasm to continue my Gondor Third Age game despite it being an amazing mod. I have not tried out the 1.3 Empires patch - no motivation.

Yet, I am bouncing around in my computer chair like an energiser bunny waiting for KotF to start. Heck, I have half a mind to book a couple of flights and whizz off to give TC and AG copies of Kingdoms so we can start.

Spoilt, just spoilt.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I agree with you! :beam:

I can perhaps play couple of turns M2TW but then it starts to bother me. Stainless Steel is better but after owning 10 or so provinces I loose interest. The same is with EB. Just can't get those campaigns there going!

[Cecil XIX]

Yeah, none of my attempted campaigns last very long anymore. Maybe the Getai campaign I'm playing in EB will do better.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

What do I hear?? You play EB??:idea2:

Perhaps you consider joining WotB then. We are in a need of army commanders since Pahlava, Makedonia, Ptolemaioi and probably Epeiros again will try to take us down! :beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've been doing a bit better with an SP ETW campaign, personally. There was a French one I've been playing on-and-off for a while. I want to finish it and conquer the entire globe, but it's gotten to the point where playing a turn has been so tedious that I doubt I'll finish.

Definitely looking forward to this. :yes:

[Cecil XIX]

What do I hear?? You play EB??:idea2:

Heh, I thought you'd say that. I don't normally like the idea of playing two of these at the same time, but I'll think about it once I'm done reading the WotB threads. (Up to just before last December now.)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just a heads-up, this marks the start of my "three weeks of Hell", so to speak, and I'm calculating that my free time, total, will be about 1-2 hours per day (not including weekends). Therefore, expect my activity to drop during that time.

-edit- Nice, I see AG's email campaign worked. Welcome back OK. :2thumbsup:

[Cecil XIX]

Holy crap. I go to bed after reading everything here, then I wake up seven hours later to find that new messages have been posted in seven topics. I don't think that's ever happened, even when a spent a day in between visits. :dizzy2:

[ULC]

Holy crap. I go to bed after reading everything here, then I wake up seven hours later to find that new messages have been posted in seven topics. I don't think that's ever happened, even when a spent a day in between visits. :dizzy2:

Make the "Save my Senator" thread, NOA! :smash::smash::smash:

[AussieGiant]

For thos of you interested, GH and I were talking on the Steam chat the other day.

The young man is now cranking out two jobs for the next three weeks and the shifts are back to back.

The hours work well for vampires but normally normal humans do no function this way. :egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Solo play definitely isn't as engaging. I tried all the Kingdoms campaigns once through. Not too impressed. The Americas campaign was the only one I didn't finish, not because of difficulty but because there are only so many mass infantry slogs I can bear.

Lately I've run up to the Mongols in BC 1.05 a few times just to get some decent battles. If I could trust the AI to manage cities and castles this would be a more viable way to run a SP campaign. I couldn't get started on the 3rd Age mod.

Haven't bought Empires. Lots of bugs left to shake out before it looks playable to me; I am not a beta tester.

:egypt:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Again I have to go through 9 threads! :wall:

[mini]

hehe

[OverKnight]

My M2 skills are very rusty. Does anyone know of any good online guides that would be helpful in bringing me up to speed? I'm looking for something that incorporates the changes made with Kingdoms and the latest patches. Anything that also takes into account LTC would be a bonus.

Econ21's guide and FAQ in the Citadel is a great resource, but might be a little out of date.

Any thoughts?

[econ21]

Anything that also takes into account LTC would be a bonus.

My impression of LTC is that it keeps the core game but "tweaks" it, mainly for better AI and better balance. While making Kingdoms, Lusted made a big effort with Palameides to better balance the M2TW units[1]. LTC uses these new stats for the grand campaign (strangely, installing Kingdoms alone does not retrofit stats). BrandyBarrel has produced a really nice graphical faction by faction listing of these new stats in one his FAUSTs. I recommend downloading and printing it out - at least the page on France. I have posted a link to it, and my impressions of the main changes compared to vanilla, in this post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2280321&postcount=62



EDIT: I wasn't going to say this, as it is a little off topc, but adjustments for balance do have their limits. ETW players read this and weep:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2283409&postcount=564

[OverKnight]

Thanks for the info. :2thumbsup:

I stopped playing Empire a while back, figured I'd wait until they get through the public beta stage.

[OverKnight]

Sorry for the double post:

The various KotF threads seem a bit scattered at this point. Should I start a FAQ thread with links to the various KotF threads and perhaps links to that FAUST guide and LTC gold?

[TinCow]

Go ahead and draw one up, but post the stuff in here or PM it to Zim. Zim needs to make the thread or he won't be able to edit the posts if he needs to at a later date.

[econ21]

The various KotF threads seem a bit scattered at this point. Should I start a FAQ thread with links to the various KotF threads and perhaps links to that FAUST guide and LTC gold?

At the moment, I think most things are still at the "draft" or planning stages, so I am not sure we need to point people to read specific threads. When the mini-mod works, which could be very soon, fingers crossed, I expect Zim will call time and then I expect we will see him starting or requesting new threads setting how things are - perhaps with this thread being the only one still worth linking to.

[OverKnight]

I'll PM Zim with the various links formatted into .

I'm thinking any thread posted into since the start of July related to KotF might be worth linking to at this point.

Here's a taste:

KotF Signup Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118939)

KotF OOC Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118984)

KotF Game Rules, First Draft and Discussion (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=117929)
Stewards or Dukes Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119146)

Kingdoms 1.5 Patch (http://help.sega.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=215)

Lands to Conquer Gold (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=97007)

KotF Mod (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118958)

Ready to Play Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119138)

PvP Mechanics Brainstorming Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119116)
Frequency of Civil War Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119110)
PvP Movement Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119200)

Tournament Rules Brainstorming Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119054)

Coat of Arms (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119215)

Injecting French "Colour" into KotF (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119112)

French Clothing and Armor (Image Heavy) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119290)

BrandyBarrel's FAUST Guide (http://www.mediafire.com/?4cgy1lcd1in)

[AussieGiant]

So do we know who the King and Princes are?

[Ignoramus]

Also, I;m guessing we're free to pick our house at the start?

[Zim]

Yep. :yes:


Also, I;m guessing we're free to pick our house at the start?

[Northnovas]

I am trying to clear up my confusion. After everything is installed almost forgetting to add the patch 1.5 what version should be displayed? Kingdoms 1.02 and LTC 1.04 I added the patch last and I am not sure if it went into the correct files. Should there be 1.5 version displayed?

[_Tristan_]

Yes, when starting kingdom, in options, it should display 1.05 and medieval should be 1.3

[AussieGiant]

has anyone got any links to Alan de Rohan?

And there are more than two of these guy's so I'm not sure which one is the actual one for this time.

[deguerra]

I think this is the chap you want:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_IV,_Duke_of_Brittany

[OverKnight]

Hey deguerra is that a Hamster rampant on your shield? It will inspire fear in your enemies.

[deguerra]

It sure is. Let's just say I was going for a slighty tongue in cheek symbolism :clown:

[TheFlax]

I think its rather cute. :clown:

[_Tristan_]

I think this is the chap you want:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_IV,_Duke_of_Brittany

In fact, it would rather be this one : Alain I de Rohan, the Black (wikipedia in French, sorry (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Ier_de_Rohan))

Rohan comes from the briton roc'han (little rock) from the building of his first castle on a promontory near the Brittany town of Josselin ( funny thing is that my wife's grandmother lives just in that town...)

[deguerra]

ah i see. our bugger was never actually Duke of Britanny. my apologies AG.

[AussieGiant]

So I can't read French, and if you compare Wiki articles you will quickly realise it should never be used as the primary source for anything.

I'm still confused as to which Alain I am.

There's a family tree from Wiki, which could be my family tree for all I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukes_of_Brittany_family_tree

[deguerra]

Well for starters, your chap was never a Duke of Brittany, only related to their line.

I think he is on that family tree, as Alan the Black, Earl of Richmond.

However, the tree has him as married to Bertha of Brittany, whereas Tristan's wiki article atttributes that marriage to his son, Eudon (I think. My French is far from perfect)

But you're in the right ballpark. Maybe Tristan can help you more.

[_Tristan_]

AG :

To make it short, the de Rohan are rumoured to be descended from Conan Meriadec (Cynan Meiriadog in welsh) legndary king of Brittany in Roman times. Alain's grandfather took part in the conquest of England with William. Alain built the chateau of Rohan (in Josselin) in 1104.

Alain 1er aka Le Noir (the Black) (I think that would suit you... another dread knight ?) was born 1084, died in 1147.

The genealogy you find here (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Rohan) (the first one) begins with your character.

he was the founder of the de Rohan line which became the line that became Dukes of brittany and later Princes of Brittany (hence my choice as avatar)

[AussieGiant]

AG :

To make it short, the de Rohan are rumoured to be descended from Conan Meriadec (Cynan Meiriadog in welsh) legndary king of Brittany in Roman times. Alain's grandfather took part in the conquest of England with William. Alain built the chateau of Rohan (in Josselin) in 1104.

Alain 1er aka Le Noir (the Black) (I think that would suit you... another dread knight ?) was born 1084, died in 1147.

The genealogy you find here (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Rohan) (the first one) begins with your character.

he was the founder of the de Rohan line which became the line that became Dukes of brittany and later Princes of Brittany (hence my choice as avatar)


Thanks Tristan.

So you are the King then?

But we are not related.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

He is King and I am the youngest prince, Charles.

[AussieGiant]

He is King and I am the youngest prince, Charles.

Oh dear. :sweatdrop:

Flax is Constance.

So who is the middle child?

[Ramses II CP]

I'm the Prince. :party:

:egypt:

[TinCow]

Can we get a list of who's who somewhere? It seems like this information has only been provided to the people who have been given avatars.

[Ramses II CP]

I think things were still settling down, and we were all just working out an introduction story. I only came forward because the news was leaking already. :laugh4:

edit: To be clear; we're working on a collaborative introduction story for the royal family in a quicktopic.

:egypt:

[AussieGiant]

I think things were still settling down, and we were all just working out an introduction story. I only came forward because the news was leaking already. :laugh4:

edit: To be clear; we're working on a collaborative introduction story for the royal family in a quicktopic.

:egypt:


I knew it!!

I tell ya, I just smell this stuff coming a mile off!! :balloon2:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Actually, I don't have an avatar and will not get one in the next 16 turns! :beam:

Anyway, I know who are in royal family..
King Philippe - Tristan
Prince Louis - Ramses
Constance - TheFlax
Henri - mini
Charles - me

[Vladimir]

Please, someone let me know if I'll be able to work on my tan. :cool:

[ULC]

Can we start already ><! I'm so impatient!

[OverKnight]

It seems we have still have a few outstanding issues to resolve before we get the game going. Feel free to add something I missed:

1. Finalization of rules: Including PvP, duels/tourneys and a final draft of the rule set.

2. KotR mod: Deciding what goes into it and then getting a version out for installation. Do we want an age mod for example?

3. RGB "draft" list: Of the players signed up but not getting the initial avatars, we need to establish the order in which they choose RGBs. This is particularly important if RGBs will be introduced, due to the current recruitment cap, over the first few turns rather than all at once. Note that this may also complicate the initial Tourney idea that has been proposed.

4. How many players have all the needed components (M2TW, Kingdoms, Patch 1.5 and LTC Gold) installed? Do we have a critical mass? Until LotR mod is installed, we won't know for sure how many hiccups we'll have moving forward in the game.

5. Set up of the appropriate threads for the game. We already have an OOC thread, but we'll need a Council thread, House threads and the like. This is easy enough but I'm including it to be thorough.

6. ?: I'm probably missing something. There's always an unexpected complication or two.

Edit: For reference:

KotF Signup Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118939)

KotF OOC Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118984)

KotF Game Rules, First Draft and Discussion (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=117929)
Stewards or Dukes Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119146)

Kingdoms 1.5 Patch (http://help.sega.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=215)

Lands to Conquer Gold (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=97007)

KotF Mod (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=118958)

Ready to Play Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119138)

PvP Mechanics Brainstorming Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119116)
Frequency of Civil War Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119110)
PvP Movement Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119200)
PvP Recruitment Mechanics Poll (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119425)

Tournament Rules Brainstorming Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119054)

Coat of Arms (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119215)

Injecting French "Colour" into KotF (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119112)

French Clothing and Armor (Image Heavy) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=119290)

BrandyBarrel's FAUST Guide (http://www.mediafire.com/?4cgy1lcd1in)

[TinCow]

Re: 3, all RBGs can be spawned at once. It just requires a little fiddling with the mod for a single turn which can be done by one person without the need for everyone else to do it. If I read the mod thread correctly, Tristan got it to work and has volunteered to do all the first turn spawning for us so that no one else has to do anything.

[_Tristan_]

1 - Waiting on Zim to OK the rules editing.

2 - KotR mod should be in workable order quickly once Rowan puts his hands in it and creates an installer like in LotR

3 - Enough RGB are now recruitable to allow 45 RGBs on turn 1 (which should leave about ~25-30 surplus to take a dive into the channel)

4 - No hiccups have been detected that I could find after having played (hitting end turn only and playing one or two battles) 30 turns approx.

5 - Zim's work.

Just an observation but tomorrow is France National Day which celebrates the fall of the Bastille in Paris 220 years ago which finally lead to the beheading of King Louis the XIVth and Marie-Antoinette...

I'm not sure it is an omen I like...:sweatdrop:


Re: 3, all RBGs can be spawned at once. It just requires a little fiddling with the mod for a single turn which can be done by one person without the need for everyone else to do it. If I read the mod thread correctly, Tristan got it to work and has volunteered to do all the first turn spawning for us so that no one else has to do anything.

Exactly :bow:

[OverKnight]

3 - Enough RGB are now recruitable to allow 45 RGBs on turn

Great!

So should we still have an RGB draft (which could take more time), or is it going to be first come first serve (shorter but less fair)?

[_Tristan_]

I think Zim wanted it as a draft which could be accomplished in a matter of 2-3 days... We could be up and running this WE at the earliest....

[TinCow]

The LotR draft took one week, but there were more players at the start and there was no pre-assignment of the starting avatars. I would expect 5 days to complete the draft for KotF.

[Vladimir]

So, what, this is like the NBA draft? Anyone want to trade me for a first round draft pick? :afro:

[OverKnight]

Hmmm, would it be possible to have the draft occur at the same time we're doing the final revision of the rules?

Sorry if I'm belaboring this or stating the obvious :laugh4:, but I'm thinking out loud to ensure we're not missing anything.

[OverKnight]

So, what, this is like the NBA draft? Anyone want to trade me for a first round draft pick? :afro:

This is what the draft (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103959) looked like in LotR. This time around the existing French nobility has already been handed out, so we'll just be selecting the RGBs that will be spawned at the beginning of 1081.

[TinCow]

Hmmm, would it be possible to have the draft occur at the same time we're doing the final revision of the rules?

Sorry if I'm belaboring this or stating the obvious :laugh4:, but I'm thinking out loud to ensure we're not missing anything.

On a technical level, the draft can start as soon as an official 1081 save game has been created with the avatars spawned. If we want the draft to go faster, someone will have to take and post mugshots of all the starting avatars. Otherwise people will have to load up the game to see who they want, which will restrict some people from being able to pick if their turn comes up while they can access the web, but can't load the game (i.e. from a work computer).

[OverKnight]

I can do that.

[TheFlax]

I'll take care of posting the mugshots and all that. Actually, I'm going to get the draft thread ready right now.

[Vladimir]

This is what the draft (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103959) looked like in LotR. This time around the existing French nobility has already been handed out, so we'll just be selecting the RGBs that will be spawned at the beginning of 1081.

Huh. Only two night fighters in the lot.

[TinCow]

Huh. Only two night fighters in the lot.

If you're talking about the LotR draft, the mugshots of all the avatars that were chosen were removed as they were selected to avoid confusion. Thus the only ones left in there are the ones that were never picked.

[Vladimir]

If you're talking about the LotR draft, the mugshots of all the avatars that were chosen were removed as they were selected to avoid confusion. Thus the only ones left in there are the ones that were never picked.

Reeealy. That betters the odds. :grin: No one wants to be the Medieval Batman then?

[Rowan]

The exe version of mod is available, check the mod thread for details.

[Zim]

Very possible, although I do need to try to get that age mod working first (starting on it now) before we can get through turn one.


Hmmm, would it be possible to have the draft occur at the same time we're doing the final revision of the rules?

Sorry if I'm belaboring this or stating the obvious :laugh4:, but I'm thinking out loud to ensure we're not missing anything.

[AussieGiant]

I would really like an installation thread posted.

This is the same as the last two games.

If just one person doesn't follow the process and get a good install we will shaft ourselves.

We need a guide and a control point to ensure a good clean start on everyone's computer.

[Zim]

There will be an installation thread and faq. :yes:

I think everything can be put on the installer (including age mod if used) so that part will be easy at least.

I think it will likely be:
MTW2
Kingdoms
1.5 patch for Kingdoms
LTC Gold
KOTF mod

Kingdoms already patches MTW2 to 1.2 if you don't have it so that won't be needed as an extra step between the two.

[AussieGiant]

Great thanks for the update Zim.

[Andres]

Huh. Only two night fighters in the lot.

Meh, you don't need night fighter. The "social drinker" trait is all that matters ~:cheers:

[AussieGiant]

Small thing that's driving me a little nuts.

Can we choose between:

KOTF

or

KotF

That would be great. :yes:

[AussieGiant]

Did someone just fart in here?

Its been pretty quiet for awhile.

Tristan, Flax, can you give me some instruction on how to write with a French accent.

You're going to love my character but I really have to get good at this.

I know pretty much every letter 'h' can be dropped plus something to do with the word "the" is also required.

Anything else?

[Andres]

Mais écrit en français alors! C'est plus facile :smug:



Just write in French! That's easier :smug:

For a good French accent, you just have to pronounce everything with a guttural 'r'.

[TinCow]

Small thing that's driving me a little nuts.

Can we choose between:

KOTR

or

KotF

That would be great. :yes:

Presumably you mean KOTF or KotF?



:creep:

[Cecil XIX]

I wonder how long we can go before one noble accuses another of being a 'cheese-eating surrender monkey'? Or using the word 'J'accuse'? Or making any reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

[AussieGiant]

Presumably you mean KOTF or KotF?



:creep:

*screams and chases TC out of the room and then edits his post*

[AussieGiant]

I wonder how long we can go before one noble accuses another of being a 'cheese-eating surrender monkey'? Or using the word 'J'accuse'? Or making any reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

It will take as long as it takes me to get to my third post in the Council session.

[deguerra]

I wonder how long we can go before one noble accuses another of being a 'cheese-eating surrender monkey'? Or using the word 'J'accuse'? Or making any reference to Monty Python and the Holy Grail?


ahem. too late. :clown:
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[woad&fangs]

I was wondering about that:laugh4:

[ULC]

ahem. too late. :clown:
|
V

So I take it that other "thing" is an Elderberry bush then? :clown:

[OverKnight]

ahem. too late. :clown:
|
V

Urghh, I just thought it was a miniature giant space hamster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsc) on the shield. My geek sense failed me.

So deguerra, what's the latin on the shield translate to?

Edit: Launch the Cow?

[deguerra]

Fetch (the) cow. Or in (Monty Python) French: "Fetchez la vache" :beam:

[KnightnDay]

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Better know that before approaching the Bridge of Death :clown:

[OverKnight]

So it begins. . .may God help us all.

[ULC]

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

European or African?

[deguerra]

European or African?

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

[ULC]

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Not at all, they could be carried!

[deguerra]

What, a swallow carrying a coconut?

That's it, enough of this, or we'll recite the whole damn movie. Deguerra out. :clown:

[Ignoramus]

When will we get to pick to our characters?

[TheFlax]

When will we get to pick to our characters?

I'm waiting for Tristan to show up and shot me the save. Then OK and I will go collect the mugshots so I can post them.

[OverKnight]

We are waiting on a final verison of the mod and the spawning of RGBs in 1081, as well as a draft order, before character selection can happen.

Once RGBs have spawned and the save is available, TheFlax and I will then post pics of the characters in the selection thread. I'm currently at work with a training in the morning that will take up the next 12 hours of my life, so my availability to take and upload pics will be compromised for much of Wednesday.

[gibsonsg91921]

I can't believe the KoTR successor game is over already... I've been gone that long? Was it fun? Who won?

[Zim]

I enjoyed it, although it had a few slow moments. Iggy won.


I can't believe the KoTR successor game is over already... I've been gone that long? Was it fun? Who won?

[Vladimir]

*raps fingers on desktop*

[OverKnight]

Patience young padawan, Rome. . .or in this case Paris wasn't built in a day. Considering this game will most likely last more than a year, a few hours or days is nothing.

[AussieGiant]

I'm fine really. The stories have already kicked off so the shenanigans have already started.

Can't wait to blow the doors off this character.:2thumbsup:

-EDIT-

Apologies for my insensitivity as I do have a character. Still chatting about the type of person to play is also a fun time. GH and I have had a pretty amusing time already.

[OverKnight]

If there's another secret society forming I want to be part of it. :laugh4:

This time we could be Free Masons!

Edit: AG, your title above senior member says you're a KotR addict. Is that supposed to be an F? I think some of us will be making that mistake a lot.

[AussieGiant]

If there's another secret society forming I want to be part of it. :laugh4:

This time we could be Free Masons!

Edit: AG, your title above senior member says you're a KotR addict. Is that supposed to be an F? I think some of us will be making that mistake a lot.

And double crap!! Thanks.

-Edit-

When are the mug shots going up?

[OverKnight]

As soon as TheFlax and I get the save for 1081 with the RGBs present. One caveat, if the save comes in when I'm asleep or at work (or both), there will be a delay on my end.

[Vladimir]

Patience young padawan, Rome. . .or in this case Paris wasn't built in a day. Considering this game will most likely last more than a year, a few hours or days is nothing.

No, I'm fine. It just got too quiet after such a high period of activity. :balloon2:

[AussieGiant]

As soon as TheFlax and I get the save for 1081 with the RGBs present. One caveat, if the save comes in when I'm asleep or at work (or both), there will be a delay on my end.


Asleep, work....PHlease!! Just ridiculous comments from you there OK. :shame:

[TinCow]

Last I heard, Zim and Tristan were both trying to get the hotseat option working so that direct control of AI factions remained an option for Event purposes. I think as soon as that issue is sorted out that the avatars will be spawned and the game will start moving.

[Andres]

Last I heard, Zim and Tristan were both trying to get the hotseat option working so that direct control of AI factions remained an option for Event purposes. I think as soon as that issue is sorted out that the avatars will be spawned and the game will start moving.

It's been TWO MINUTES since we got that last update. Well, is it sorted out yet? Can we finally move on?

:whip:

:clown:

[TinCow]

It's been TWO MINUTES since we got that last update. Well, is it sorted out yet? Can we finally move on?

:whip:

:clown:


You are not allowed to give warnings or infractions to Moderators.

:wall:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You are not allowed to give warnings or infractions to Moderators.

:wall:

:laugh4:

[_Tristan_]

New update : the hotseat function and every else works fine. Save is ready to be posted with one caveat : the hotseat function when hiting end turn make the strat map fade to black so as to hide the AI moves.

So if we choose to play hotseat, we'll be playing blind... totally...

Is that what we want ? I understand that showing AI moves was a prerequisite so I'll wait for some input before uploading the save...

[ULC]

New update : the hotseat function and every else works fine. Save is ready to be posted with one caveat : the hotseat function when hiting end turn make the strat map fade to black so as to hide the AI moves.

So if we choose to play hotseat, we'll be playing blind... totally...

Is that what we want ? I understand that showing AI moves was a prerequisite so I'll wait for some input before uploading the save...

As in, temporarily? Or is the fog of war permanent?

[_Tristan_]

Permanent ? Only thing I can tell you is that it fades to black at the end of the turn, and you get the start screen just like in any hotseat but without password.

One more thing : how does defensive battles play out in hotseat against the AI. Does the player get to fight them or not ?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

No. You can't fight defencive battles in Hotseats! :sweatdrop:

[TinCow]

That's not true. LotR was played with hotseat enabled. There were plenty of defensive battles in LotR.

[_Tristan_]

I'm sure there was a way to enable the player to play defensive battles against the AI but it is so long since I've played those games that I can't remember...

If it proves to be impossible, I think we'll be forced to do without, the console will have to suffice for the purpose of events.

[_Tristan_]

That's not true. LotR was played with hotseat enabled. There were plenty of defensive battles in LotR.

Yes but LotR saves hdidn't have the start screen I get in KotF... Some variable must be different...

[TinCow]

There's some extra fiddling that has to be done to enable defensive battles in hotseats. Presumably that also fixes whatever is going on with your start screens. All we have to do is dig around in old threads to figure out what needs to be changed.

The LotR Installation Thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103439) has all the discussion on this. According to that thread, this should allow defensive battles:


[multiplayer]
playable = true

[hotseat]
autoresolve_battles = 0
disable_console = 0
disable_papal_elections = 0
save_prefs = 1
update_ai_camera = 1
validate_diplomacy = 1
turns = false
scroll = false

You also have to make sure that after you make the changes that the file is marked "read only" so that it doesn't get changed back.

[Vladimir]

While we're sorting out the technical details can we begin avatar selection? We need to establish characters, families, oaths of fealty, and etc. before the game begins. The players need to do their own pregame setup.

Right now we can't do anything and should at least have our characters.

Keep the troops busy!

[TinCow]

While we're sorting out the technical details can we begin avatar selection? We need to establish characters, families, oaths of fealty, and etc. before the game begins. The players need to do their own pregame setup.

Right now we can't do anything and should at least have our characters.

Avatars can't be spawned until the hotseat issue is fixed, because the game has to started with hotseat properly configured from turn 1. You cannot enable hotseat in a game that has already started.

[Vladimir]

Avatars can't be spawned until the hotseat issue is fixed, because the game has to started with hotseat properly configured from turn 1. You cannot enable hotseat in a game that has already started.

Darn. Trying to keep people busy and interested. :clown:

[woad&fangs]

Does anyone know who the Duke of Lorraine is going to be?

[_Tristan_]

I've done all the tweaking that Tincow pointed at earlier but it hasn't solved anything, I still get a black screen on end turn (fade to black while the AI makes its moves) and the defensive battles are auto-resolved against us...

Can anybody try and fuddle with the cfg file and see how it works for them ? It's quite possible I didn't quite mod it like it should...

Sorry to keep you all in the black on that but we have to make sure everything works before the start... It would be a big let-down if we had to start over after having played 5,10 or 20 turns before finding out that something doesn't quite work as it should.

On a more positive note, the age mod as tested by Cecil seems to be working, at least avatars do not seem to fall like flies in the first few turns of the game.:2thumsup:

In the meantime, maybe Zim could draw up the draft list so that people can get an ida of when their turn will come to choose their avatars...

I can almost feel that anticipation building up :dizzy:

[TinCow]

I'll fiddle with the cfg this evening when I get home, though I can't generate the save because I don't have the age mod.

[TinCow]

Also, Tristan, did you make the cfg file READ ONLY after you altered it? I think that is critical or it won't work; the game will simply write over the cfg changes and they won't stick.

See this thread (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102812) which gives the same info I gave above.

[Rowan]

I've done all the tweaking that Tincow pointed at earlier but it hasn't solved anything, I still get a black screen on end turn (fade to black while the AI makes its moves) and the defensive battles are auto-resolved against us...

Can anybody try and fuddle with the cfg file and see how it works for them ? It's quite possible I didn't quite mod it like it should...

Sorry to keep you all in the black on that but we have to make sure everything works before the start... It would be a big let-down if we had to start over after having played 5,10 or 20 turns before finding out that something doesn't quite work as it should.

On a more positive note, the age mod as tested by Cecil seems to be working, at least avatars do not seem to fall like flies in the first few turns of the game.:2thumsup:

In the meantime, maybe Zim could draw up the draft list so that people can get an ida of when their turn will come to choose their avatars...

I can almost feel that anticipation building up :dizzy:

Does the age mod need to be included in the general mod or just the customized start-up mod? I'd like the general exe version finished sooner rather than later.

[_Tristan_]

The age mod is only needed on start up I believe. But I can upload the correponding file to be added in the mod exe just to be sure.

EDIT : TC, my cfg file was read only... beats me...

[AussieGiant]

Can we please ask Factionheir?

The guy is a guru on this stuff and it would be a shame for him to be able to check and solve it quickly.

I'm sure he would help for old times sake.

[TinCow]

Tested it in M2TW vanilla with the code I posted above and it worked fine. Hotseat enabled, defenive battles can be fought on the battle map, and the camera follows all AI movement. I couldn't get it to work with LTC, but I think that's because there's something wrong with my LTC installation since I couldn't even select multiple factions at all in LTC. I will reinstall and see if that fixes it. In any case, that's evidence right there that the code I posted is the correct one.

[Vladimir]

No worries Tristan. We appreciate the work you're doing for us. :2thumbsup:

[ULC]

The age mod is only needed on start up I believe. But I can upload the correponding file to be added in the mod exe just to be sure.

EDIT : TC, my cfg file was read only... beats me...

Err...not to nitpick...but did you change it to writable, make the changes, save, and then change it to read only?

[_Tristan_]

Err...not to nitpick...but did you change it to writable, make the changes, save, and then change it to read only?

Yes, I did... I may not be the pinnacle of modders but there are a few things I can do and do right ;)

@TC : there is nothing with you install, I think... The code you provided is for M2TW while LTC requires Kingdom which had already incorporated into its code the possibility of hotseat...

The only thing required is adding the line


playable = true

in the hotseat section of the cfg file


Can we please ask Factionheir?

The guy is a guru on this stuff and it would be a shame for him to be able to check and solve it quickly.

I'm sure he would help for old times sake.

For all I know FH abhors Kingdoms (for Securom) and doesn't have it installed... But I may be wrong...

FH, feel free to jump in at any moment... and prove me wrong...

As for the rest, I'll be damned but I've tried several different settings and I always get the same result...

[_Tristan_]

One thing I noticed is that the Kingdoms expansion have a hotseat launching option in the multiplayer section but as before we can't see the AI moves unless they are in a portion of map where the fog of war is gone (spies/ watchtowers, etc...)

LTC though using Kingdoms doesn't have that option...

[_Tristan_]

Sorry for the multiple posts, but if I think they are required for the updates they bring...

I found a workaround about seeing the AI moves :2thumbsup:

It requires only for the Seneschal to access te console and toggle fow off before hitting end turn... then toggle it back on on the start-screen of France.

Will see if I can get the defensive battles to work...

EDIT : can't seem to get them to work wheher I mod the cfg file to have


autoresolve_battles = 0 or autoresolve_battles = 1

[_Tristan_]

You wanted it...

You yearned for it...

You cried for it...

You prayed for it...

.
.
.
.
.

And here it is : the first KotF save (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=4915)

Get ready to roll :charge:



This save has France in a trade agreement with England and a bonus of 2000 fl. from granting it to them as a generous offer, 45 RGBs and one offer of adoption for Prince Louis and France is the strongest faction (though mainly thanks to the RGBs). Prince Louis and Raymond de Provence have both acquired a Pagan Magician (-2 Piety)

Some of those RGBs are born fighters (3 or 4 command stars).

[deguerra]

thanks for the effort, Tristan. Good work. Now get started, ye muggshotters :whip:

[AussieGiant]

So what's the installation situation?

Great the saves there but I've only installed MTWII and Kingdoms without anything further.

[_Tristan_]

I've sent Rowan the age mod file to add it to the KotF mod.

until then you can already install the KotF 1.3 mod that Rowan uploaded earlier.

That should enable you to get a look at the save.

[TinCow]

Did you figure out the hotseat issue?

[_Tristan_]

Yes, it was related to the following line :


turns = false

[Vladimir]

This save has France in a trade agreement with England and a bonus of 2000 fl. from granting it to them as a generous offer, 45 RGBs and one offer of adoption for Prince Louis and France is the strongest faction (though mainly thanks to the RGBs). Prince Louis and Raymond de Provence have both acquired a Pagan Magician (-2 Piety)

Some of those RGBs are born fighters (3 or 4 command stars).

*rubs hands in glee* Now, let me get my hands on a young, strapping French badboy who likes the dark. :evil:

[OverKnight]

The initial executable version is here: KotFMod1.3.exe (http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~marpih/kotf/KotFMod1.3.exe)


This is currently a broken link, at least for me.

[AussieGiant]

It's borken for me too.

I'm going to wait for the official thread before I do anything further.

Call me paranoid but a straight forward correctly linked thread with everything there and in the correct order is necessary for me.

[TinCow]

It's borken for me too.

I'm going to wait for the official thread before I do anything further.

Call me paranoid but a straight forward correctly linked thread with everything there and in the correct order is necessary for me.

:yes:

This kind of thread formatting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103874) worked very well in LotR. All necessary info was in one place, easily accessible, and didn't overload the forum with stickies. I recommend it highly.

[Zim]

Already planning on it. :yes:

[OverKnight]

The voices in my head are telling me to make another list:

Things we need to get to character selection:

1. Save
2. KotF Mod (Decision on age mod can be postponed but should happen soon)
3. Pics of avatars (Not possible until KotF mod is available to TF and OK)
4. Draft list (Based on voting activity in LotR? I'm assuming this is the responsibility of Zim or his designate)

[AussieGiant]

:yes:

This kind of thread formatting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=103874) worked very well in LotR. All necessary info was in one place, easily accessible, and didn't overload the forum with stickies. I recommend it highly.

The "Installation Instruction" post is exactly what I'm talking about.

We've got 20 plus dudes, or maybe a few of you are dudette's and we just don't know, installing a multi software package.

Someone with fluff it even with clear instructions. If that person gets the save, does something, and then loads it up we could experience what I call a "show stopper".

I like to avoid "show stoppers" :balloon2:

:egypt::egypt::egypt:

[AussieGiant]

I'm still interested in how to write with a French accent.

No "h's", and "th's" are 's's'.

[Zim]

You can cross off #2. We have the age mod working (at 50-80 range, average same as vanilla at 60) and everything else modwise. Or you could keep it since we still might be getting that installer with the age mod added...

I do have an activity list, although I'll need to add a couple people that joined since. I was thinking of going off of that or randomly.

[OverKnight]

You can cross off #2. We have the age mod working (at 50-80 range, average same as vanilla at 60) and everything else modwise. Or you could keep it since we still might be getting that installer with the age mod added...

I do have an activity list, although I'll need to add a couple people that joined since. I was thinking of going off of that or randomly.

Rowan's link to the mod is broken. I can't access it. Is there another place I could download it?


The initial executable version is here: KotFMod1.3.exe (http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~marpih/kotf/KotFMod1.3.exe)

[Zim]

I can get the different mod files for you individually, but I don't have his installer, either...

[_Tristan_]

I do have the installer but seeing how people are afraid I'm loath to upload it anew and would prefer that rowan post the new one.

Unless people specifically want this one...

Adn , AG, there shouldn't be any "show stopper" if you installed this version as the next one would replace the same exact files and add one (age mod)

[OverKnight]

Well, could you email it to me as an attachment perhaps? I just need it to start taking pics.

[_Tristan_]

Well, could you email it to me as an attachment perhaps? I just need it to start taking pics.

PM on its way...

[Ramses II CP]

My hopes are high now. We're almost there. :balloon2:

:egypt:

[TinCow]

I would like to emphasize how pleased I am to see so many people helping out on the actual grunt work of getting the game going. I very much believe that stuff like that indicates that this will be a strong and very enjoyable game. I'm looking forward to it more and more every day, which says alot considering how fatigued I was with TW RPGs at the end of LotR.

[OverKnight]

Thanks to Tristan I have access to the game. Pics should be up once cropped and uploaded.

[TheFlax]

I'd also need it for to mugshots, OK or Tristan, can you send me the installer?

[_Tristan_]

can you get on Messenger, TF ?

[TheFlax]

can you get on Messenger, TF ?

I am online at the moment.

[OverKnight]

I'm already halfway through, I'll send you a link with the photos once I'm done TF.

[OverKnight]

Done. I sent a link for all the pics to TheFlax.

[AussieGiant]

Actually,

I'm on yahoo messenger.

If anyone is interested please PM me and I'll give you my handle.

[Cecil XIX]

Well, now that things are finally getting started I should tell you all that I'm leaving town in about six hours and will be gone for the whole weekend. :shame: So, uh, try to make the character selection process take as long as possible. :sweatdrop:

Actually, I may be able to access the internet at night. Hopefully I won't miss too much. When I get back I'll get started on the Royal Library. I'm hoping to get the next round started of 'Save my LotR Strator' before I go, also.

[Rowan]

Since people had trouble downloading the mod from my uni. account here's an alternate location for the mod (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=fea4de8724f695f8d2db6fb9a8902bda). AGE MOD NOT INCORPORATED YET. There's both an executable version and the 'source' which can be used by anyone to make an updated version of the exe (just put the new or updated files to the correct place inside the landstoconquer folder and it will be installed to the corresponding folder). The installer software I used was NSIS (http://nsis.sourceforge.net/).

I try to check here daily but I'm too leaving for summer holiday next week and might not be available reliably.

EDIT: Age mod now incorporated!

[TinCow]

That installer is awesome Rowan, many thanks!

Is it possible for someone to post a list of who the starting Dukes are (player and avatar names) along with the provinces they will control? I would like to start some IC communications, but need to know exactly who I'm talking to and what their position is.

[_Tristan_]

Alain de Rohan - Duke of Brittany (Rennes) (Aussiegiant)
Hugues de Champagne - Duke of Lorraine (Reims) (Overknight)
Raymond de Provence - Duke of Bourgogne (Dijon) (Cecil XIX)
Prince Louis - Duke of Aquitaine (Toulouse) (Ramses II CP)

[AussieGiant]

That's a scary amount of Illumination. :inquisitive:

[_Tristan_]

Just my thoughts as I was posting this...

[AussieGiant]

It will keep us from colluding. :balloon2:

[_Tristan_]

Do you truly think so ? :inquisitive:

[Zim]

You mean like in KOTR with two Dukes and one King of Outremer at the end? :clown:


It will keep us from colluding. :balloon2:

[AussieGiant]

Do you truly think so ? :inquisitive:

*Cue Dracula laugh*

Of course.

[_Tristan_]

One thing I noticed is that, just like in vanilla, retinue aren't transferable...

[TinCow]

One thing I noticed is that, just like in vanilla, retinue aren't transferable...

In almost all cases, retinue transfer is best done with the console anyway.

[_Tristan_]

ok, fine

[econ21]

Zim, maybe it is time to open a stories thread?

[AussieGiant]

I'd really like an installation thread.

[Ituralde]

I'd really like an installation thread.

Seconded!

[econ21]

Installation does need to be documented, but until then, try this. Install Kingdoms, patch it to the latest available and then install LTC gold. For the mini-mod, it seems straightforward: just download Rowan's excellent installer (see a few posts up) and double click it. It seems to auto-detect the directory you have put LTC in. Download the kotrstart save and you are ready. (The save may well change later to reflect some buffing of the AI.)

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

well it looks like I am not going to be here for selecting my character, the tournament, or anything. :sweatdrop: Do you all think I should choose a house now? Or just wait till I get back?

[econ21]

Do you all think I should choose a house now? Or just wait till I get back?

I think it would work either way. If you are pretty sure of the House you want to join, I think its Duke would be sympathetic with your OOC situation and be open to a "blind" invite. But if you are unsure, you might want to wait to see (a) what the traits of your general are; and (b) to find out more about the kind of Houses the Dukes want to run.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah may as well just wait.... Just sit whatever avatar I end up with in a city until I get back. :laugh4:

[AussieGiant]

What's going on with all this pre-recruiting drive? :egypt:

The start gun hasn't sounded has it?

-edit-

Deg as you have the house shields online can you link me up with the Brittany one.

I'll fire up the House thread now that Ramses has started recruiting.

[econ21]

The start gun hasn't sounded has it?
...
Deg as you have the house shields online can you link me up with the Brittany one.

Yes, I think the stable doors are open.

If you just quote Deg's first post in the shields thread (or my post now), you can get the link:


https://img40.imageshack.us/img40/461/bretagne.png

[Ramses II CP]

What's going on with all this pre-recruiting drive? :egypt:

The start gun hasn't sounded has it?

-edit-

Deg as you have the house shields online can you link me up with the Brittany one.

I'll fire up the House thread now that Ramses has started recruiting.

Now, now, who is recruiting? I merely opened a House thread and may or may not have had a few private conversations with, in the parlance, eligible gentlemen. We're all anxious to kick matters off, and someone had to be first into the pool. :laugh4:

I will say that the water is warm.

:egypt:

[ULC]

Well, now, seems Aquitaine is our "dread" House :laugh4:

[Vladimir]

Gah! I hope but I'm second to last.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, now, seems Aquitaine is our "dread" House :laugh4:

TinCow, I hereby challenge you to a Dread War. The parameters of this war will be entirely muddled and subjective and I fully expect us to each declare victory several times over the course of the game. However, I just think the fact that we are engaged in a Dread War, whatever it means, would be awesome.

[OverKnight]

The thought of Ramses, TC and GH in the same Duchy is deeply, deeply disturbing. And I used to work with them.

[gibsonsg91921]

I'd rather keep them all in one place, IMO. It'll be a huge place, but it won't be surrounding your oppressive selves.

[ULC]

I just realized at least half of those starting in the House of Lorraine, have the Social Drinker trait.

:laugh4:

[TinCow]

TinCow, I hereby challenge you to a Dread War. The parameters of this war will be entirely muddled and subjective and I fully expect us to each declare victory several times over the course of the game. However, I just think the fact that we are engaged in a Dread War, whatever it means, would be awesome.

But I'm just a soul whose intentions are good. Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.

[Zim]

We have a stories thread and installation thread. A true FAQ thread with finalized rules will be up this weekend.

[GeneralHankerchief]

:cheerleader:

BTW, I may or may not be able to post this weekend. I'm taking a short, well-deserved vacation until Tuesday and might not have internet access during that time.

[Zim]

You'll probably be back just in time for the main IC threads, GH. :yes:

[OverKnight]

French speakers: Would "Une Histoire du Royaume de France" be an appropriate title for the History Thread?

[TheFlax]

"Historique du Royaume de France" would be more accurate according to me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My knowledge of the language isn't nearly as complete as Tristan's (-edit- Or Flax's), but upon a glance that seems correct.

[OverKnight]

"Historique du Royaume de France" would be more accurate according to me.

Since I trust TheFlax more than Google, so shall it be.

[The Lemongate]

Hmmm, then again, I'd say "Une Histoire" sounds much more medievalish. "Historique" sounds too modern and academic.

I'd personally go with:

La Grande Histoire du Royaume de France or La Grande Histoire du Royaume des Francs

for added character.

[TheFlax]

Since I trust TheFlax more than Google, so shall it be.

High praise indeed. :clown:

"Une histoire du Royaume de France" translates to "A story of the Kingdom of France." while "Historique du Royaume de France" translates to "History of the Kingdom of France."

So while the first one is entirely correct, I didn't think it was as appropriate as the second one.

[OverKnight]

History is up (and insta-stickied, that was a quick draw). I'm afraid it's going to be a pastiche of French and English words and titles. For the names of the Duchies, I will use what the Dukes set up in their respective threads (Bretagne versus Brittany for example). For titles (le Roi versus King) I will use the personal preference of the title holder.

As always, any suggestions or additons for the history should be PMed to me, preferably with a link if applicable.

[AussieGiant]

Ramses, GH and TC....dear god. What a pit of vipers we have.

[OverKnight]

No worries, The House of Dread will be balanced by my House of Genial Drunks.

I'm going to make a concerted effort to make Hugues cheerful. All my previous character were a bit. . .um. . .driven and grim.

On another note, are we still going to have that Battle Royale to start the game? I'd suggest, for just this time, that we remove the chance of death. It be a shame to have a spanking new character die by accident before we even move on the map.

Also, rules discussion has died down, are we ready for a final vote and a last draft of the Charter?

[Ituralde]

I think with those shiny new avatars we were given most of us would agree to just about anything to get the game started! :laugh4:

[Zim]

Yes, we are and I think not having any deaths is already planned.

Final rules will be posted this weekend, maybe pretty soon as I will likely not be working graveyard at the jail tonight like I had thought.... What's this about a final vote?


No worries, The House of Dread will be balanced by my House of Genial Drunks.

I'm going to make a concerted effort to make Hugues cheerful. All my previous character were a bit. . .um. . .driven and grim.

On another note, are we still going to have that Battle Royale to start the game? I'd suggest, for just this time, that we remove the chance of death. It be a shame to have a spanking new character die by accident before we even move on the map.

Also, rules discussion has died down, are we ready for a final vote and a last draft of the Charter?

[OverKnight]

What's this about a final vote?

We seemed to have polls on some of the more contentious matters, I'd thought there might be one for any last changes, ie age mod and such. If not, I'm cool with that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ah good, glad to see Zim has mod privileges in here. I was all set to PM TC asking him about it, too. That would have been embarassing. :laugh4:

[AussieGiant]

I'd keep the tournament rules in place and anyone that's "killed" using the current rules has simply taken a knockout blow rather than death.

[TinCow]

Ramses, GH and TC....dear god. What a pit of vipers we have.

Says the pot to the kettle... :laugh4:

[econ21]

Now I know I am playing a PBM again. ... Ignoramus, please could you clear your PM box? Thanks.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Now I know I am playing a PBM again. ... Ignoramus, please could you clear your PM box? Thanks.

This time, I fully intend to keep a tally of how many times variations on the above has been said.

Current count: 1. :yes:

[Zim]

I suppose we could have a vote to ratify the final version...to be honest I hadn't really thought about it.

Age mod (setting range from 50-80, average of 60) was put in before the first save was made. I'm not sure we could take it out without starting over with the whole character selection process and a new save. :sweatdrop:


We seemed to have polls on some of the more contentious matters, I'd thought there might be one for any last changes, ie age mod and such. If not, I'm cool with that.

[Ignoramus]

I'm still deciding which house to join. It's tough. One of the annoying pleasures of having more flexibility.

[econ21]

I'm still deciding which house to join. It's tough.

I agree. In my case, it would be useful to have some insight into the characters of the Dukes. Ramses' IC traits are pretty clear and he has dropped some heavy hints OOC. But the other three have rather bland traits IIRC. Perhaps a background story for each would help?

Anyway, there is no rush - I think the idea of the opening tournament was partly to allow people to get to know each other's characters before committing to a House (if they wanted that time).

[Ramses II CP]

:laugh4:

I am not a bad guy!

I'm THE bad guy!

No, seriously, Louis isn't going to go all Dread Duke on anyone and I hope no one is seriously upset that there are a few bits falling into place early on. The last thing I want is for this stuff to cause IC troubles. I'm going to accept the oaths I've heard to date and I imagine there will be a cooler period until the tournament. I rather thought the tournament would be a good chance to set loyalties and enmities as well, but a few things are already obvious.

:egypt:

[woad&fangs]

Actually, Raynaud is the bad guy. Nothing is more dreadful than a teetotaler.:clown:

[Zim]

*shudder* He truly is a villainous knave.


Actually, Raynaud is the bad guy. Nothing is more dreadful than a teetotaler.:clown:

[OverKnight]

Actually, Raynaud is the bad guy. Nothing is more dreadful than a teetotaler.:clown:

Hear! Hear!

It's going to be tough to compete with Louis's platform of Wenches, Wine and War (man that should totally be on my coat of arms).

Pressure to create good genesis story is rising.

[ULC]

Prince Louis's theme song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-gSJW3sHXE&feature=related)

[Ramses II CP]

Okay, spoilers so this doesn't casually influence anyone IC. :embarassed::help:

In the dark days to come, when I myself take up the skull throne, even Khorne may come to serve. :skull:

:laugh4:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

If I can pause for a moment to find something even cheesier and more appropriate than a WH reference, I think me and my lads will ride to battle to the sound of Viking Metal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhptP8j-t-M

Now, just have to add the 'long hair' clause to Aquitaine's charter so we can all do that swirl from horseback...

:egypt: