Netherworld II [Concluded]

[atheotes]

[edit]Also, I believe this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetala) may be the role of the person who killed slashandburn and Csargo.

I would have never made that association...even though i am from India. The Wikipedia version is not exactly the one i heard/read growing up. Vetalas are spirits and usually controlled by a mage or someone with magical prowess. They themselves do not have any aspirations. It is plausible that the host could have a different interpretation or taken some creative license. i doubt it though.

The water buffalo rider is definitely Yama - Hindu lord of death.

after starting to read Peasant Phil's kill writeup i had images from "clash of the titans" and thought it was a Hero role doing a vigilante kill... :laugh4:

[Captain Blackadder]

Dang it I died and I was having a lot of fun too. Curse you Yama why did you kill me?

[pevergreen]

Hmm... Choices, choices...

I think I'll go back to vote: GeneralHankerchief.

He struck me as suspicious earlier on, and nothing has happened to change that.

Maybe next round


Vote: TinCow

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm going to wait another cycle before I start going over everything to make a solid decision. I can understand why some are voting for me, my rep makes me suspicious when it seems like I am inactive. I am inactive due to school, I should probably just play during the summer (like Capo) but I have a good chunk of free time later to catch up and make my decisions. But for now:
Vote:Abstain

[johnhughthom]

Vote: atheotes

[Sprig]

vote: GeneralHankerchief. Winston has a nose for this kind of thing.

[TinCow]

This is a bandwagon that I feel comfortable joining.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief (with the utmost respect, of course :bow:)

[Scienter]

i've been confusing them a bit too ><

Me too. I have to keep going back to check who is dead!

[Andres]

Why exactly is GH being bandwagoned?

[TinCow]

Why exactly is GH being bandwagoned?

I can't speak for the others, but for me it's just a gut vote. Both GH and Sasaki are making my hair stand on end, but GH has already got the votes on him so I'm supporting it.

[Andres]

I can't speak for the others, but for me it's just a gut vote. Both GH and Sasaki are making my hair stand on end, but GH has already got the votes on him so I'm supporting it.

The feeling you have on Sasaki is also a gut feeling or is there more?

[TinCow]

The feeling you have on Sasaki is also a gut feeling or is there more?

Just a gut feeling. Yesterday I was thinking about how much of a pain it can be for vets like him to be mafia, because they often get investigated very early regardless of their behavior. The first thing a mafioso Sasaki would be concerned with would be an early-game investigation. So, how would he deal with such a situation? Perhaps by pretending he wasn't paying attention to the game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2406264#post2406264)?

[Andres]

Seeing as TinCow seems to be a RB now and ATPG is a wasted lynch if we are to believe him (and I kind of am), I think unvote; vote:Csargo is the best move. With three kills a night, wasting a lynch is kind of stupid.


That information is interesting, CC, thanks for digging it up (and welcome back!).

I think we can safely assume that you're correct concerning the identity of the water-buffalo-riding killer and the snake-woman. However, I was wondering, concerning AVSM's killer (who I think killed S&B aswell since AVSM was mentioned in the update)... Styx would be a fair bid. Then, Achilles (who is dead) would be the one performing his kill the first night, and now, AVSM is the one doing the kill because he's dead. I think that would be safe to assume is the pattern if S&B kills someone tomorrow.

And no use in voting against dead people, I think, I'll decide on a vote when I get home from school :(


TinCow, I commented on that difference earlier on this page. You could of course also be right about that being two different people. Or it could be Hades himself, using the dead? He's greek mythology, after all. That would make a "Greek baddies and Hindu baddies" theory viable with the new information available.

Hmm. Don't know who to vote on. Have we seen pevergreen yet?



These posts give me a bad feeling.

Vote : Diamondeye

Will have to read the thread.

On first sight, I agree that Sasaki seems a bit off, but I've always found it difficult to read him.

[Andres]

My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.

Unvote: GH; Vote: YLC

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

Why the need for such a thorough explanation for unvoting GH?

[TinCow]

Why the need for such a thorough explanation for unvoting GH?

I anticipated that there would be questions about why I was reversing my vote so quickly. I decided to preempt the inquisition.

[Andres]

I anticipated that there would be questions about why I was reversing my vote so quickly. I decided to preempt the inquisition.

I see.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Just a gut feeling. Yesterday I was thinking about how much of a pain it can be for vets like him to be mafia, because they often get investigated very early regardless of their behavior. The first thing a mafioso Sasaki would be concerned with would be an early-game investigation. So, how would he deal with such a situation? Perhaps by pretending he wasn't paying attention to the game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2406264#post2406264)?

You should roleblock me tonight, and see if the kills stay the same. Then you'll know I'm innocent.

[Beskar]

You should roleblock me tonight, and see if the kills stay the same. Then you'll know I'm innocent.

I will laugh hard if this fails.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Um, okay, whoa. Can we get a legit case on me here so I can refute it and you can pick a better target? Thanks.

[Beskar]

Um, okay, whoa. Can we get a legit case on me here so I can refute it and you can pick a better target? Thanks.

So other than playing around all game, you suggest in a serious vein that you want some one to post a flawed, easily defensible statement, so you can refute this claim and get people to choose an alternative target? :smash:

That is quite a change of character from Mr. Triggerhappy Voter who accused people of being scummy if they attempted to defend themselves.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Do you think that not playing seriously equates to guilt?

[Thermal]

Vote: TM

I'm probably wrong, but you seem scummy every game.

Some people are hard to please.

unvote (did i even vote in the first place?) vote:beefy187 :smash:

[Beskar]

Do you think that not playing seriously equates to guilt?

It is a tactic often used by Sasaki, as it can sometimes attract very little attention.

However, once the votes landed on you, you completely changed your tactic and started to get more serious, as if you want to make a conscious effect not to get killed. This might imply you got a reason not to get killed, due to a role (possibly Mafia), as usually, people carry on the way they do, unless there is a reason not to or if they are average Joe townie, just get their clogs popped.

[Diamondeye]

Speaking of scummy everygame... hello atheotes.

Vote: atheotes :beam:

Actually, that might just be the best lead we have :laugh4: vote: Atheotes

And Andres, I am confused by your post... Why is it that you find it so scummy to speculate as to the nature of this game? I know failure to do the very same might cost us the game in YLC's tCD...?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Excuse me for not lying down and rolling over like the rest of you guys once there's a bandwagon on me, but I like living. And I'm going to do the same thing I always do once I have a lot of votes, no matter my role: try my hardest to survive. So yeah, if you guys are going to lynch me, then I'm going to have to see some explanation why.

[Beskar]

Excuse me for not lying down and rolling over like the rest of you guys once there's a bandwagon on me, but I like living. And I'm going to do the same thing I always do once I have a lot of votes, no matter my role: try my hardest to survive. So yeah, if you guys are going to lynch me, then I'm going to have to see some explanation why.

Calm down dear, it is only a bandwagon. :beam: :yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Calm down dear, it is only a bandwagon. :beam: :yes:

Yes, and I am going to hold everybody on board accountable.

[Beskar]

Wah wah wah, this always happens to me, at least I'll be able to laugh in all of your faces when this game is over, wah wah wah

I am sure. :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It is a tactic often used by Sasaki, as it can sometimes attract very little attention.

However, once the votes landed on you, you completely changed your tactic and started to get more serious, as if you want to make a conscious effect not to get killed. This might imply you got a reason not to get killed, due to a role (possibly Mafia), as usually, people carry on the way they do, unless there is a reason not to or if they are average Joe townie, just get their clogs popped.

You just hosted small game mafia, in which GH enjoyed himself in the first round and made a serious plea after being bandwagoned. So this post of yours smells like possible duplicity.

Unvote:whoever, vote:Beskar

[Beskar]

You just hosted small game mafia, in which GH enjoyed himself in the first round and made a serious plea after being bandwagoned. So this post of yours smells like possible duplicity.

Unvote:whoever, vote:Beskar

Actually, I am just provoking GeneralHankerchief to comment, making it easier for us to tell if he is guilty or not. The fact I haven't actually voted him yet, shows that it wasn't me trying to justify my vote on him or some other method.

You know better than that, Sasaki.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Actually, I am just provoking GeneralHankerchief to comment, making it easier for us to tell if he is guilty or not. The fact I haven't actually voted him yet, shows that it wasn't me trying to justify my vote on him or some other method.

You know better than that, Sasaki.

I was just provoking you to comment, making it easier to tell if you are guilty yet. The fact that I haven't actually voted you yet*, shows that it wasn't me trying to justify my vote on you or some other method.

You know better than that, Beskar.

[Beskar]

You know better than that, Beskar.

Give me a kiss. :yes:

[Winston Hughes]

vote: GeneralHankerchief. Winston has a nose for this kind of thing.

Please don't use me as cover for your own accusations.

[woad&fangs]

bleh, who is in second place? I don't see any reason for the GH bandwagon so my vote will go to whoever is in second.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think it's atheotes, but there are better cases elsewhere.

Vote: Diamondeye

[TinCow]

Um, okay, whoa. Can we get a legit case on me here so I can refute it and you can pick a better target? Thanks.


I think it's atheotes, but there are better cases elsewhere.

Vote: Diamondeye

Pot, meet my friend, the kettle. :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, leave GeneralHankerchief alone.

Field Marshall Super-Megacow the Kojiro guy can survive without the "guy" part, but not without his rank.

[atheotes]

@ Beskar - :wall::wall::wall:

Vote: Beskar

[Double A]

Looks like Diamondeye is it, I guess...

vote: Diamondeye

[Beskar]

I like TinCow, his comments make me fuzzy inside.

@atheotes -

You know that we love eachother really. <3

[A1_Unit]

vote:A1_Unit That saves me a lot of time instead of making up a reason for voting someone else.:beam:

[Diamondeye]

Okay so apologies for asking stupidly, but why exactly is it that I need to be bandwagoned? Because Andres said so?

You know what, I actually like living. Rather like General Hankerchief. No matter my role I'll attempt to stay alive if possible. So: unvote: Atheotes, vote: GH. I'm sorry, mister, and I know it's not the best of reason but it's at least a reason which you of all people can understand; rather you than me.

Now, like GH, I would like an explanation of exactly what madkes me attract three votes with zero explanation?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Okay so apologies for asking stupidly, but why exactly is it that I need to be bandwagoned? Because Andres said so?

You know what, I actually like living. Rather like General Hankerchief. No matter my role I'll attempt to stay alive if possible. So: unvote: Atheotes, vote: GH. I'm sorry, mister, and I know it's not the best of reason but it's at least a reason which you of all people can understand; rather you than me.

Now, like GH, I would like an explanation of exactly what madkes me attract three votes with zero explanation?

Unvote:Beskar, vote:Diamondeye

This is not true, there are some roles where you would not attempt to stay alive.

Well, I'd rather see you dead than my mason partner GH.

[TinCow]

Well, I'd rather see you dead than my mason partner GH.

Any particular reason that isn't humor-based?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Any particular reason that isn't humor-based?

No.

[Beskar]

Any particular reason that isn't humor-based?

I think GH is cheating on you, TinCow. Show him who is boss.

[ULC]

I think GH is cheating on you, TinCow. Show him who is boss.

Right hand getting jealous of the Left...

[CCRunner]

I like A1_Unit's style... instead of adding another voice in a choice I see as meaningless (seriously, I see no reason for either of them) Vote: CCRunner

[Beskar]

I like A1_Unit's style... instead of adding another voice in a choice I see as meaningless (seriously, I see no reason for either of them) Vote: CCRunner

I think that CCRunner is really scummy as well. Unvote; Vote: CCRunner.

[seireikhaan]

Round's ending in about 7 hours.

[scottishranger]

Vote: Diamondeye

I havent been paying as much attention as I should of to this game, but the bandwagon look fun so I shall jump on it.

[Scienter]

I don't know enough about Sasaki's playing style to assume that he pretended to not pay attention by voting for someone who was already dead. Vote:Diamondeye

[woad&fangs]

vote: CCrunner

Because I forgot to vote earlier and I'm too lazy to read through all these new posts tonight.

[Beskar]

I don't know enough about Sasaki's playing style to assume that he pretended to not pay attention by voting for someone who was already dead. Vote:Diamondeye

Think of Sasaki like Gandalf. He might look like a kooky old man who lost his marbles long ago, but inside, is he truly a powerful magician.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You aren't allowed to reveal people's role information while dead, Beskar.

[seireikhaan]

CURRENT TALLY- round ends in one hour, 17 minutes. In event of a tie, the round will be extended until any player has more votes than all others.



GeneralHankerchief 6 (TinCow, Sprig, YLC, Joooray, Winston Hughes, Diamondeye)
Diamondeye 6 (Scienter, scottishrager, Double A, GH, Andres, Sasaki)
CCRunner 3 (woad&fangs, Beskar, CCRunner)
Acin 2 (Cultured Drizzt fan)
Thermal Mercury 1 (Beefy187)
Atheotes 1 (johnhughthom)
Beefy187 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Beskar 1 (Atheotes)
A1_Unit 1 (A1_Unit)

Abstain 2 (Acin, Chaotix)

[naut]

Must vote. Before deadline. I know it's suss, but I've been away at a friends, and well I just made it home. Will not break tie though.

Vote: CCRunner

[seireikhaan]

Alright, it's still tied. The round will be officially over when one player has more votes than all other players. This includes unvoting. When the tie is broken, the player with most votes will be the lynch. You may still vote for whomever you desire.

Its 2 am, I'm going to bed, so I won't be on for a bit. Players may send night orders once the tie is broken.

[Beskar]

Might as well. I will random.org my vote.

and it says....

"1"

As that is GeneralSpanky, I just hope it is right.

Unvote; vote: GeneralHankerchief.

[seireikhaan]

One more, Governor-general Yasei convened the encampment. Once more, one was to be condemned. And, once more, someone seeming to be quite insane was chosen. GeneralHankerchief was narrowly declared "most likely to be an assassin". He was walked up to his executor by a pair of guards. "GeneralHankerchief, do you have anything else to say?" Yasei requested. GH seemed to find the whole thing quite hilarious, for some reason. He tittered on the spot, the volume growing until it turned into full blown laughter. Displeased with being laughed at by one who was condemned, Yasei grabbed his sword from the guards and immediately brought it in an overhand, left-sweeping arc, slicing completely through GH from the shoulder down to his waist. Now displeased with the mess, he muttered to the guards to clean everything up, then dismissed the rest of the camp for the time being.



GeneralHankerchief 7 (TinCow, Sprig, YLC, Beskar, Joooray, Winston Hughes, Diamondeye)
Diamondeye 6 (Scienter, scottishranger, Double A, GH, Andres, Sasaki)
CCRunner 3 (Psychonaut, woad&fangs, CCRunner)
Acin 2 (Cultured Drizzt fan)
Thermal Mercury 1 (Beefy187)
Atheotes 1 (johnhughthom)
Beefy187 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Beskar 1 (Atheotes)
A1_Unit 1 (A1_Unit)

Abstain 2 (Acin, Chaotix)



Alive: 27

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beefy187
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 10

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)




I WANT NIGHT ORDERS WITHIN 24 HOURS FROM NOW!

Lynched: 3

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)

[GeneralHankerchief]

[Language please - GH]

[TinCow]

[Language please - GH]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Possibly the best mod-joke I've seen yet. :2thumbsup:

[Double A]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Possibly the best mod-joke I've seen yet. :2thumbsup:

I second that :laugh4:

[atheotes]

[Language please - GH]

:laugh4: that was funny

[Diamondeye]

I second that :laugh4:

Thirded (Or fourthed with Atheotes' comment? Meh, whatever)!

[Thermal]

I was like wth, did someone hack him? :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

[Language please - TM]

[pevergreen]

[Language please - TM]

That didn't even live up to your normal humour levels ATPG.

[Double A]

Booooo :thumbsdown:

[Beskar]

Looks like I made an enemy.... :help:

[Double A]

It typically says "last edited by GH at time on date" at the bottom of an edited post.

And something funny. :brood:

[GeneralHankerchief]

My tags: Always imitated, never duplicated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seems I need to explain.

It didn't say "wth" before. I was politely reminding him. It wasn't intended to be off-the-wall funny.

And since when do I make you laugh anyway, pevergreen? :laugh4:

[pevergreen]

And since when do I make you laugh anyway, pevergreen? :laugh4:

Rarely, true. :beam:

[seireikhaan]

The swamp called to it. Yes... the swamp... that was where the scum lived, most assuredly. A dagger in its right hand, it descended into the water, which rose to around its knees. Trudging forward, it kept its nose aloft, sniffing, searching. The smell took it the entrance to a cave. The water abated at the entrance, allowing it to get onto dry. The cave was completely dark, but it was no problem, smell would lead it. It followed the scent for about ten minutes. The darkness would simply not abate. Without warning, the scent he was following simply vanished. It growled in frustration.

"Now now, no need to get all fussy on me!" A high pitched voice rang out in the dark. It growled louder, then swung its knife in the direction of the sound. "Oooh, we've got a temperamental one, don't we?" the voice asked, this time from behind. "I'll tell you what, if you answer my riddle correctly, I'll turn the light on, do we have a deal? It stood at attention, waiting. "I am whatever you want me to be. I can be a green meadow, a fiery hell, a cutest of puppies. I can be the greatest nightmare, or the most soothing pleasure. But, no matter how close you get, you'll never touch me! What am I?" It let a howl out, angry at being taunted. It leaped forward at the source of the sound, and felt itself collide with something, pinning it down. "Will you at least try and answer the riddle?" the voice asked. Yes.... the voice was coming from whatever it had pinned down. With grin on its face, it pulled the dagger back, and thrust it forward. The satisfying feeling of metal on flesh confirmed it. With abandon, it hacked at the body over and over again, relishing dismembering every last bit of the annoying scum. After a few minutes of butchery, the voice rang out again... "How rude! I offer you entertainment in the form of a riddle, and you disregard it and for some reason go hacking apart innocent people! HOW RUDE!"

Pop

The light came back, scent came back.... it was back on the western edge of the encampment, just beyond the outer fence. Below it, pinned under it's hand and knees, lay the mangled body of Beefy187. With a furious growl, it stomped off, leaving the corpse behind.







At the base of the mountain, a young woman sat cross-legged in a meditative pose. Her eyes were closed, and she gently hummed a tune to herself. This realm was quiet, peaceful. Well, it was peaceful, anyways, but certainly there was no hustle and bustle of the other realms. The overwhelming silence around her was broken by the gentle clopping sound of a beast of burden. Disappointed, she opened her right eye, and indeed, she had a visitor. A red skinned being sat with a dutiful expression atop a water buffalo. A lasso was held in his right hand, a spear in his left.

"I suppose you're hear to drag me to the the Nether realm?" She asked. The rider revealed a hint of surprise, then nodded. "I am sorry to disappoint you, but I really must stay here. My work is not done." The rider shook his head, almost sadly, but nonetheless, ushered his beast forward. The beast rattled its head around, and then made its approach. The rider readied its lasso.

FWOOOOSH

With a thud, a large, bright orange and red, birdlike creature landed in front of the woman, facing the rider. It emitted a shriek from its beak, and stomped once to emphasize its point. The two stared each other down for nearly a minute...

FWOOOSH

The young woman ducked, and a sword edge sweeping across the landscape just skimmed over her head. A man atop his own, flying, beast began to circle back for another run. The bird creature shrieked once more at the bison rider, then turned to the woman. A pair of arms underneath its wings opened up. The woman accepted the embrace, hugging the torso of the bird creature tightly. It kicked up a cloud of dust as it rocketed into the sky, hauling the woman away from the bison rider. The second attacker was not finished, however. It spurred its ride on, to give chase. And give chase it did. The bird ascended, racing up next to the sheer mountain cliff, higher and higher. However, with its added weight, the flying rider was making ground. It was within twenty feet of its target when the bird creature finally came to a plateau. It tossed the woman onto the plateau. It looped in the air, and plummeted down, shrieking, now the aggressor. The flying rider urged his beast right, but there was not enough time. He raised his shield in defense, but talons struck true, one around the arm of the rider and one clumsily scratching the beast itself. Momentum hurled all three combatants downwards. The rider clung to his beast for dear life. The beast had bit down upon the leg of the bird creature, which was attempting to dislodge itself from the tangled mess. The three thrashed in a pile of sword, talon, and tooth, until finally, within fifty yards, the two creatures let the other go, realizing the need to survive outweighed the need for the other to perish. The bird creature flung itself to the south, while the beast managed a smooth arc to the west, its rider in shock that he had not plummeted to his death. Deciding to fight another day, he urged his ride away from the mountaintop.




Alive: 26

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 11

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)


Lynched: 3

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)


ITS NOW DAY PHASE.

I'M GIVING THIS PHASE 48 HOURS, DUE TO MOVING BACK TO UNI TOMORROW.

PLEASE VOTE.

[ULC]

Vote: Atheotos

[TinCow]

3 kills on N1
3 kills on N2
4 kills on N3
2 attempted kills on N4, though Yama failed to kill me because of my friend the doctor :bow:

I blocked Sasaki last night. The drop in kills on N4, combined with my earlier suspicions of him, is all the evidence I need.

Vote: Sasaki

[edit] Hmm... on rereading the write-up, there appear to be two attackers on me last night, which would make 3 attempts. Still, the Naga and the corpse-killer didn't show up last night, so I'll keep my vote where it is.

[ULC]

Interesting. I want to watch though, see how Sasaki goes on about it. I am still suspecting Atheotos greatly.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am always willing to use sasaki as a scapegoat

Vote: sasaki

[Beskar]

I think TinCow is most likely on the mark.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

There is also another possible explanation for drop in kills too. GH was a Mafia? I know he laughed before he died but there wasn't anything other than that, then again, Khaan never revealed Ichigo as a Mafia in his last game (and as I counted on Ichigo's reveal, that hurt my game big time.)

However, this is probably incorrect. I think we should go for the suspects such as Sasaki which does sound more explainable. If we do get a Mafia, hopefully we will know what one of those results are like.

[Beskar]

Interesting. I want to watch though, see how Sasaki goes on about it. I am still suspecting Atheotos greatly.

Got any more info on atheotes? I know the best way with him is guilty unless innocent, but if you know he is guilty, then we can get him lynched.

[Double A]

Two nights with one less kill is all the evidence I need.

vote: Sasaki

[CCRunner]

Conclusive enough for me. Vote: Saski

[Scienter]

I was on the fence about Sasaki last time. Not so much, now. Vote: Sasaki

[TinCow]

There is also another possible explanation for drop in kills too. GH was a Mafia? I know he laughed before he died but there wasn't anything other than that, then again, Khaan never revealed Ichigo as a Mafia in his last game (and as I counted on Ichigo's reveal, that hurt my game big time.)

However, this is probably incorrect. I think we should go for the suspects such as Sasaki which does sound more explainable. If we do get a Mafia, hopefully we will know what one of those results are like.

I actually do think there are decent odds that GH was scum, so either the corpse killer or the Naga could be him. However, if GH was scum, his early game interactions with Sasaki start to look like an intentional effort for the two to make themselves look un-aligned, which just pushes me more towards thinking Sasaki is scum too.

Another question to be discussed though: who is this bird-rider guy? Obviously another mafioso, since he joined with Yama to try and kill me, but as far as I'm aware he's never appeared before. So, what's he been up to?

[Scienter]

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda)might have been what rescued TinCow.

[Chaotix]

Sasaki, huh?

Well, the evidence seems clear enough. I'd like to hear his defense, though...

Vote: Sasaki

On another note, I don't believe that GH was guilty, but the town is probably better off with him dead than alive, anyway.

[Chaotix]

Another question to be discussed though: who is this bird-rider guy? Obviously another mafioso, since he joined with Yama to try and kill me, but as far as I'm aware he's never appeared before. So, what's he been up to?

Actually, he was in the N3 write-up, too. He was the one who entered the cave and tried to attack the unkillable guy, but wound up teleporting and killing Peasant Phill. And in that write-up, at least, his manner of speech doesn't sound evil. My guess is that it might actually be a vigilante.

As for which mythical being... in the case that it's a vigilante, it's probably Perseus, Herakles, or Bellerophon riding on Pegasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus). That's what I thought of, at least.

[Beefy187]

Me... killed :inquisitive:
Thats impossible :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is just dumb.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Shayne Graham

[A1_Unit]

vote:Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

First off, condolences GH.

Second:


3 kills on N1
3 kills on N2
4 kills on N3
2 attempted kills on N4, though Yama failed to kill me because of my friend the doctor :bow:

I blocked Sasaki last night. The drop in kills on N4, combined with my earlier suspicions of him, is all the evidence I need.

Vote: Sasaki

[edit] Hmm... on rereading the write-up, there appear to be two attackers on me last night, which would make 3 attempts. Still, the Naga and the corpse-killer didn't show up last night, so I'll keep my vote where it is.

There were three kills, three kills, 4 kills and three kills. You blocked me last night, and there were three attempts. Unless you blocked me night one and night two, voting me makes no sense, and everyone voting based on it is [word that GH doesn't like] and deserves everything they get if they are townie.

[TinCow]

There were three kills, three kills, 4 kills and three kills. You blocked me last night, and there were three attempts. Unless you blocked me night one and night two, voting me makes no sense, and everyone voting based on it is [word that GH doesn't like] and deserves everything they get if they are townie.

I agree with the math, but there are killers missing last night. Unless I am mistaken, the Naga and the corpse-killer are not there. Even if GH were one of those, that still leaves the other one.

Do you have a better lead?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree with the math, but there are killers missing last night. Unless I am mistaken, the Naga and the corpse-killer are not there. Even if GH were one of those, that still leaves the other one.

Then who was missing the first two nights? Why aren't you voting who you didn't block then?


Do you have a better lead?

I think A1_unit is guilty*. Got a better lead? No.

*not really.

[TinCow]

Then who was missing the first two nights? Why aren't you voting who you didn't block then?

I posted it in the thread with my reveal, it's there for all to see. Feel free to build a case off of it if you want to. Personally, I'm not voting for them because they're not acting anywhere near as scummy as you.


I think A1_unit is guilty*. Got a better lead? No.

*not really.

See, this is exactly the problem with you. You're not acting normally by any means. You sound... angry and frustrated, which isn't like you. What this comes across as is you finally scoring a mafia role after your ridiculously long townie streak, and then getting bandwagoned relatively early on and destroying your fun. It's very similar to the way GH was acting.

For me, it's primarily your posting style that has me voting for you. The block is a minor thing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hey, I was town in this one.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I posted it in the thread with my reveal, it's there for all to see. Feel free to build a case off of it if you want to. Personally, I'm not voting for them because they're not acting anywhere near as scummy as you.



For me, it's primarily your posting style that has me voting for you. The block is a minor thing.

From what you say, the block isn't really a coherent part of your case. Gut instinct is all, but presented in a "I'm a pro town role and used my ability to find a mafioso" package.




See, this is exactly the problem with you. You're not acting normally by any means. You sound... angry and frustrated, which isn't like you. What this comes across as is you finally scoring a mafia role after your ridiculously long townie streak, and then getting bandwagoned relatively early on and destroying your fun. It's very similar to the way GH was acting.

You don't follow the NFL do you :beam:

[Andres]

I agree that Sasaki is acting off.

I've rarely seen you so aggressive or upset. It's nothing for you to take these games so seriously.

:inquisitive:



I think TinCow is most likely on the mark.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

There is also another possible explanation for drop in kills too. GH was a Mafia? I know he laughed before he died but there wasn't anything other than that, then again, Khaan never revealed Ichigo as a Mafia in his last game (and as I counted on Ichigo's reveal, that hurt my game big time.)

However, this is probably incorrect. I think we should go for the suspects such as Sasaki which does sound more explainable. If we do get a Mafia, hopefully we will know what one of those results are like.

This is what I call "a fabricated post". So careful, so neutral. Me not like.

Vote : Beskar

[TinCow]

Actually, he was in the N3 write-up, too. He was the one who entered the cave and tried to attack the unkillable guy, but wound up teleporting and killing Peasant Phill. And in that write-up, at least, his manner of speech doesn't sound evil. My guess is that it might actually be a vigilante.

As for which mythical being... in the case that it's a vigilante, it's probably Perseus, Herakles, or Bellerophon riding on Pegasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus). That's what I thought of, at least.

I've read back over the descriptions, and I agree with you. It definitely sounds like Perseus on Pegasus, which would fit far better as a vigilante than mafia.

[Diamondeye]

Hey, I was town in this one.

If this is true I see no reason not to vote:Sasaki with the current evidence. And if it's not, GH and Sasaki's connection justifies voting Sasaki aswell.

That said, if someone actually deducts something and not leaves it as simple hints which I cannot grasp, thus creating a better case, I am of course ready to change my vote. Andres, is your case against Beskar anything more than speculation, and if so, can you present a decent case against him. I'd hate to lynch a town to let a mafia who was exposed slip by.

[Thermal]

vote: beskar

Because I'm following this game as closely as a deer follows a lion, and don't want to remember rule 1.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm going to go back to vote: johnhughthom

Not that I object to the bandwagon on Sasaki. It's just that it doesn't need my vote right now, and I don't want john thinking I've forgotten about him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree that Sasaki is acting off.

I've rarely seen you so aggressive or upset. It's nothing for you to take these games so seriously.

:inquisitive:



Well, at least you have the excuse of being European.

[Joooray]

Well Sasaki seems to be our safest bet at the moment. Thus Vote: Sasaki.

Though I'm a bit confused about the lack of actual evidence we have over all. I'm aware there might be no investigators, but we gotta have someone who can find out something, right?

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Sasaki the anti-European.

[Andres]

If this is true I see no reason not to vote:Sasaki with the current evidence. And if it's not, GH and Sasaki's connection justifies voting Sasaki aswell.

That said, if someone actually deducts something and not leaves it as simple hints which I cannot grasp, thus creating a better case, I am of course ready to change my vote. Andres, is your case against Beskar anything more than speculation, and if so, can you present a decent case against him. I'd hate to lynch a town to let a mafia who was exposed slip by.

See, this is funny. I say I find you and Beskar suspicious because of your posting style and you want "more than speculation" and "a decent case".

It is funny, because you apparently missed this:




See, this is exactly the problem with you. You're not acting normally by any means. You sound... angry and frustrated, which isn't like you. What this comes across as is you finally scoring a mafia role after your ridiculously long townie streak, and then getting bandwagoned relatively early on and destroying your fun. It's very similar to the way GH was acting.

For me, it's primarily your posting style that has me voting for you. The block is a minor thing.

TinCow's case is also built on posting style and behaviour. He just added the block thing to give his case more weight.

It could be a coincidence that you missed it, or it could be that you read over it, because you just skimmed the thread.

You ask me to explain my case, while TinCow's case is similar to mine.

I'm still suspicious of Beskar, but this in combination with the posts I quoted from you in the previous round is enough to switch my vote to you.

Unvote : Beskar ; Vote : Diamondeye

[Diamondeye]

Thank you for explaining, Andres. I still have to learn my wings here on this forum. I'll be more careful in asking the wrong person for help next time, it might look suspicious and all.

[Beskar]

I'm still suspicious of Beskar,

But I thought we had a special relationship. :cry:

I didn't miss the post, I just thought it was irrelevant to address it, as by the sounds of it, Sasaki is still the best case.

As for the comments about a decent case, where? If you are referring to me asking YLC, it was just because he voted atheotes straight away with no comment and earlier in the game commented that he knows an investigator. I was just asking if his source leaked atheotes and if so, I change my vote to atheotes, as that sounds like a better case, if true.

edit: Trust you to post the minute I do, that just makes me look susipicious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There isn't any evidence against me.

[Chaotix]

Unvote: Sasaki

Vote: Diamondeye

I do not trust Sasaki, but for reasons that I'd rather not reveal, I think it might be more prudent to let him live, at least for now. If I can engineer this right, then Sasaki can be more useful alive for the time being, even if he is a mafioso and is faking it.

[Beskar]

I do not trust Sasaki, but for reasons that I'd rather not reveal, I think it might be more prudent to let him live, at least for now. If I can engineer this right, then Sasaki can be more useful alive for the time being, even if he is a mafioso and is faking it.

What? :inquisitive:

That is the scummiest/most unbelievible post in this thread.

"If I can engineer this right" You got a leash and collar on THE Sasaki Kojiro? :laugh4: Why would he bother with you? Also, as he is THE Sasaki Kojiro, you will be playing fetch and not him.

[Thermal]

unvote
vote: sasaki

restoring sasaki's status because choatix is shady. :yes:

[Diamondeye]

Unvote: Sasaki

Vote: Diamondeye

I do not trust Sasaki, but for reasons that I'd rather not reveal, I think it might be more prudent to let him live, at least for now. If I can engineer this right, then Sasaki can be more useful alive for the time being, even if he is a mafioso and is faking it.

This is perhaps the scummiest post in the entirety of this thread and one, I feel, competely incapable of justifying a vote against anyone. Jeez... Chaotix, please don't pull a Prometheus on us and try to work with the mafia. It won't work and you're really just making yourself lynch fodder as you did back then.

Yes, I just read through the entire Prometheus thread and it was an awesome read. I loved the Death Note reference on p. 15 especially.

[Chaotix]

:shrug:

Well, Sasaki has all but ignored me, so we may as well proceed with the lynch. I'm not going to bother changing my vote, because Sasaki is getting lynched pretty much no matter what.

And this wouldn't have been anything like the Prometheus- that was just me being made a fool of. This was a calculated risk that probably won't make a difference in the long run, because Sasaki's not going to take me up on it.

[Diamondeye]

My point was that you are confusing townies as well, remember that. That's never a good thing. if you're town, you're unnecessarily acting scummy to the benefit of the mafia, and if you're mafia, you're gathering unnecessary attention to yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As I was actually in that game, I'd like to chime in. I don't believe the situations are the same. Your profound reaction raises my eyebrows, Diamondeye, considering how stoic you usually are.

[Chaotix]

I suppose you're right. I can't expect any of you to trust me for now, at least. I just want all the townies to stop getting lynched, as that's pretty much all we've lynched so far, perhaps barring GH. Townies are almost as useful as power roles, so if there was any chance Sasaki was a townie, it was better he not die. Or at least, that was my line of thinking.

Now, however, since Sasaki is not cooperating, it's better that he dies than someone else who might, even if Sasaki does happen to be a townie, which I am thinking is less and less likely.

[Diamondeye]

As I was actually in that game, I'd like to chime in. I don't believe the situations are the same. Your profound reaction raises my eyebrows, Diamondeye, considering how stoic you usually are.

I am very ill and sitting up late trying to write a paper for tomorrow morning. "Stoic" was lost about two hours ago. As you will notice in the NOTW right now I am a bit short-fused.


I suppose you're right. I can't expect any of you to trust me for now, at least. I just want all the townies to stop getting lynched, as that's pretty much all we've lynched so far, perhaps barring GH. Townies are almost as useful as power roles, so if there was any chance Sasaki was a townie, it was better he not die. Or at least, that was my line of thinking.

Now, however, since Sasaki is not cooperating, it's better that he dies than someone else who might, even if Sasaki does happen to be a townie, which I am thinking is less and less likely.

I see no post-death spoilers telling about innocence so how would you know this? vote:Chaotix - do you know something we others don't?

[Beskar]

I am very ill and sitting up late trying to write a paper for tomorrow morning. "Stoic" was lost about two hours ago. As you will notice in the NOTW right now I am a bit short-fused.

I know exactly how you feel, I had two massive dead-lines for Friday. Even more amusing, my post count went through the roof on the days I was trying to work.

Best advice - Try not to post. Wait for the deadlines and just leave the thread alone. If you want to just say "Hey sorry, got deadlines, so I won't be posting much" then at least others know that so they won't bandwagon you for simply for being really quiet. Though it is best to comment when you do return though.

[Chaotix]

I am very ill and sitting up late trying to write a paper for tomorrow morning. "Stoic" was lost about two hours ago. As you will notice in the NOTW right now I am a bit short-fused.



I see no post-death spoilers telling about innocence so how would you know this? vote:Chaotix - do you know something we others don't?

:laugh4:

Look at the write-ups. Do you see a drop in kills? Wouldn't there be less kills if we had lynched the mafia? It's through basic logic that I can tell the people we've lynched are townies, not some special information.

[Diamondeye]

:laugh4:

Look at the write-ups. Do you see a drop in kills? Wouldn't there be less kills if we had lynched the mafia? It's through basic logic that I can tell the people we've lynched are townies, not some special information.

I would agree that the persons killed are probably innocent. But I wouldn't be fast to make the assumption that lynching a single baddie would reduce the amount of attacks. Normally, in these games, a mafia team shares one or two of such kills and I would guess from the size of this that we are dealing with more than three mafia (the general picture is three attacks, right?), although I could be wrong.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: Sasaki

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would agree that the persons killed are probably innocent. But I wouldn't be fast to make the assumption that lynching a single baddie would reduce the amount of attacks. Normally, in these games, a mafia team shares one or two of such kills and I would guess from the size of this that we are dealing with more than three mafia (the general picture is three attacks, right?), although I could be wrong.

I believe the game host revealed at the start of the game the exact number of mafiosi.


I am planning for four mafioso, if I get my goal of 40 players.

So, four individuals.

[Diamondeye]

I believe the game host revealed at the start of the game the exact number of mafiosi.

So, four individuals.

If anything this proves what I just said. But I am just trying to pressure Chaotix so that he might make a mistake, should he be the mafia.

Having said that, I'm done with my paper and just need to upload it, and there's only 6½ hour until I have to get up, so I'm going to bed. No more time to pressure Chaotix so I'll switch back to unvote: Chaotix, Vote: Sasaki and log off in a minute. Hopes are that TC is right about Sasaki.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Diamondeye

I think you know why.

[Sprig]

Vote: Chaotix seems like a nice enough lad.

[naut]

I'm not sure Andres. The post you highlighted of Beskar's is pretty neutral, etc. But, prior to that he hasn't acted that way. So perhaps something happened last night/last round to make him apprehensive?

On Sasaki's case, well there could something to it I guess. But it's Sasaki, and I really don't know what to think. Gah!

Vote: Sasaki

For now, I'm gonna have to mull this over.

[Beskar]

I'm not sure Andres. The post you highlighted of Beskar's is pretty neutral, etc. But, prior to that he hasn't acted that way. So perhaps something happened last night/last round to make him apprehensive?

Hah, possibly. But I doubt it was anything in a night phase, as if I was in one, I would be in the dead list. :yes:. Though also saying that, probably TinCow or some one could vouch for me, as if there is an investigator, I would be one of the first investigated/roleblocked (I usually am.)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hah, possibly. But I doubt it was anything in a night phase, as if I was in one, I would be in the dead list. :yes:. Though also saying that, probably TinCow or some one could vouch for me, as if there is an investigator, I would be one of the first investigated/roleblocked (I usually am.)

This worked wonders for me.

***

I can't object too much to being lynched because I haven't put effort into this game myself. For clarification, the jets defeated the bengals yesterday (I'm from cincinnati) hence the angry tone and comment about Andres having the excuse of being European.

[Beskar]

This worked wonders for me.

Yes, because the Mafia magically dropped when you were blocked. :beam:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, because the Mafia magically dropped when you were blocked. :beam:

The kills did not drop, even TinCow admitted that reasoning was nonsense.

Anyway, even with a kill drop, the correct strategy is to continue blocking said person. Either the mafia has to kill less in order to keep up the pretense, or they have to kill less because they are being blocked. Lynching said person either lynches a mafioso, or lynches a townie and allows the mafia to keep killing a frame someone anytime they choose by dropping the number of kills.

btw Beskar, I haven't seen you laughing:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410298&postcount=518

I'm sure the mafia who killed one less after seeing this post is laughing it up

[Beskar]

btw Beskar, I haven't seen you laughing:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410298&postcount=518

I'm sure the mafia who killed one less after seeing this post is laughing it up

I totally forgot about that post. :laugh4: :laugh4:

Because of that, I am unvoting you, it made my night.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro.

[TinCow]

The kills did not drop, even TinCow admitted that reasoning was nonsense.

Ahem, I did not. Night 2 was 3 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt. Night 3 was 2 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt, with 2 missing mafioso. Looks like a missing mafioso to me, oh great twister of words and distorter of arguments. Next time, don't asked to be blocked (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410296&postcount=517) if you're not going to like the results, either way.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ahem, I did not. Night 2 was 3 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt. Night 3 was 2 mafia kills and 1 vig attempt, with 2 missing mafioso. Looks like a missing mafioso to me, oh great twister of words and distorter of arguments. Next time, don't asked to be blocked (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410296&postcount=517) if you're not going to like the results, either way.

You said you agreed with my math and that the blocking part was minor, oh linker of posts linked to a few posts previously.

This is the first mention of a vigilante, your previous statements were based on the 3-3-4-3 set of kills it seemed, which made no sense.

If there are 4 mafiosi, and I had asked to be blocked, why would I not have one of my partners kill in my stead? If you wish to claim that one of those that have died is guilty, please be specific. If GH was guilty (as you have suggested) explain why he was lynched in a close vote with the mafia numbers being what they are, or say which 4 of the people voting for DiamondEye were guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Andres]

Vote: Sasaki

You're not a mafioso trying to lurk himself to victory, are you?


I'm not sure Andres. The post you highlighted of Beskar's is pretty neutral, etc. But, prior to that he hasn't acted that way. So perhaps something happened last night/last round to make him apprehensive?

On Sasaki's case, well there could something to it I guess. But it's Sasaki, and I really don't know what to think. Gah!

Vote: Sasaki

For now, I'm gonna have to mull this over.

Nevermind Beskar, I think Diamondeye is a better lynch.

[TinCow]

You said you agreed with my math and that the blocking part was minor, oh linker of posts linked to a few posts previously.

Agreeing with your math meant 3 kills instead of 2. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 3 is one less than 4.


This is the first mention of a vigilante, your previous statements were based on the 3-3-4-3 set of kills it seemed, which made no sense.

No, I mentioned the vigilante here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2411968&postcount=600). It looks to me like the vigilante was after me on the last two nights. The first time he was thwarted by the hallucination guy, and the second time blocked by the doctor. The point is that that results in mafia kills of 3 3 3 2, which I will again emphasize is a drop of 1.


If there are 4 mafiosi, and I had asked to be blocked, why would I not have one of my partners kill in my stead? If you wish to claim that one of those that have died is guilty, please be specific. If GH was guilty (as you have suggested) explain why he was lynched in a close vote with the mafia numbers being what they are, or say which 4 of the people voting for DiamondEye were guilty.

My point was that, even if you are townie, you knew very well that the mafia could easily drop a kill to frame anyone who was roleblocked, yet you asked to be roleblocked anyway. It looked to me like sheer bravado, so I decided to call you on it by actually doing it. You're the reason you got roleblocked.

Is it plausible that you're a townie and the mafia framed you by intentionally or negligently dropping a kill? Yes. Is it plausible you're a mafioso who got roleblocked? Yes. When it comes to you, better safe than sorry IMHO. As for your Bengals excuse, you get no credit from me. I'm a Browns fan. I've endured more misery than you'll ever comprehend. Bernie-freaking-Kosar is the HIGH POINT of my life as a football fan.

[naut]

On a different note this cave dwelling guy who seems to trick people and meditate on a glacier. I'm fairly sure it's from Incan or Mayan mythology. Possibly something like Supay, the god of death. Or a Wayob or Huay Chivo demon who is a trickster and sorcerer. Not that that really helps. But it's bugging me, and is irritatingly obscure.

[Diamondeye]

You're not a mafioso trying to lurk himself to victory, are you?

Nevermind Beskar, I think Diamondeye is a better lynch.

I might be slightly biased but I'd disagree on this. Also, no, pevergreen, I wouldn't know the reason. Are you kinder when asked to explain than the person I asked earlier? Is it because I switched my vote off Chaotix?

[seireikhaan]

Round will end in four hours, at 2:00 PM/14:00 CST.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Agreeing with your math meant 3 kills instead of 2. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 3 is one less than 4.



No, I mentioned the vigilante here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2411968&postcount=600). It looks to me like the vigilante was after me on the last two nights. The first time he was thwarted by the hallucination guy, and the second time blocked by the doctor. The point is that that results in mafia kills of 3 3 3 2, which I will again emphasize is a drop of 1.



My point was that, even if you are townie, you knew very well that the mafia could easily drop a kill to frame anyone who was roleblocked, yet you asked to be roleblocked anyway. It looked to me like sheer bravado, so I decided to call you on it by actually doing it. You're the reason you got roleblocked.

You certainly skated around this part of the accusation. How did it go from major to minor to major? That's a dropoff too :p

It's not bravado if I'm a townie.


Is it plausible that you're a townie and the mafia framed you by intentionally or negligently dropping a kill? Yes. Is it plausible you're a mafioso who got roleblocked? Yes. When it comes to you, better safe than sorry IMHO. As for your Bengals excuse, you get no credit from me. I'm a Browns fan. I've endured more misery than you'll ever comprehend. Bernie-freaking-Kosar is the HIGH POINT of my life as a football fan.

Complete sidestep. No discussion of the strategy, just "better safe than sorry" which I already dismissed. No comment on how the the main part of your accusation yesterday was my "angry tone" post playoff loss, you simply say that you don't give me any credit? Nonsensical.

[TinCow]

You certainly skated around this part of the accusation. How did it go from major to minor to major? That's a dropoff too :p

My previous post didn't say it was major. I was simply refuting your statement which implied that I had completely abandoned that argument as "nonsense." You behavior is, and has always been, the major reason for my vote. The block is, and has always been, the minor reason for my vote. Try as you might to twist my words, my opinion is the same now as it was when I made my vote.


Complete sidestep. No discussion of the strategy, just "better safe than sorry" which I already dismissed. No comment on how the the main part of your accusation yesterday was my "angry tone" post playoff loss, you simply say that you don't give me any credit? Nonsensical.

Heh, you need to play against yourself more then. As far as I'm concerned, "better safe than sorry" IS strategy when it comes to Sasaki Kojiro.

As for the loss to the Jets being your excuse, that happened on Saturday. Both Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410270&postcount=513) and I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410258&postcount=510) commented that you were acting funny 2 days before the Bengals game.

[atheotes]

I totally forgot about that post. :laugh4: :laugh4:

Because of that, I am unvoting you, it made my night.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro.

:inquisitive: this is unusual for you
Vote:Beskar

[Thermal]

unvote
vote: psychonaut

Just a vibe I'm getting, fairly lurkish but popping his head in to not help very much. Which is something I usually do. :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My previous post didn't say it was major. I was simply refuting your statement which implied that I had completely abandoned that argument as "nonsense." You behavior is, and has always been, the major reason for my vote. The block is, and has always been, the minor reason for my vote. Try as you might to twist my words, my opinion is the same now as it was when I made my vote.

I'm not twisting your words, I'm pointing out that your misrepresented a gut vote as a "pro town role finds mafia" vote. This leads to large, unproductive bandwagons.




Heh, you need to play against yourself more then. As far as I'm concerned, "better safe than sorry" IS strategy when it comes to Sasaki Kojiro.

As for the loss to the Jets being your excuse, that happened on Saturday. Both Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410270&postcount=513) and I (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410258&postcount=510) commented that you were acting funny 2 days before the Bengals game.

Yes, but in a completely different way than your later accusation. The second time you said I was mafia because I was upset (this was the bit you were sidestepping in your last post). In the first you said I would come out pretending to not be paying attention in order to avoid a first round investigation. But I often come out the first round with some kind of pretense, like claiming that GH has revealed the mafia in a clue and then editing it out.

[TinCow]

I'm not twisting your words, I'm pointing out that your misrepresented a gut vote as a "pro town role finds mafia" vote. This leads to large, unproductive bandwagons.

Meh, not my fault if people give more weight to a roleblock than it deserves. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a roleblocker is not a detective. Your point is noted though, and I'll consider withholding roleblock info in the future if it is likely to hinder otherwise worthwhile discussion.


Yes, but in a completely different way than your later accusation. The second time you said I was mafia because I was upset (this was the bit you were sidestepping in your last post). In the first you said I would come out pretending to not be paying attention in order to avoid a first round investigation. But I often come out the first round with some kind of pretense, like claiming that GH has revealed the mafia in a clue and then editing it out.

The first post you're referring to (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410267&postcount=512) was not my explanation for why I thought you were acting funny, it was theorizing on whether your W_E vote was international or not. I did not express what it was about you that I thought was off in that post. My 'gut' feelings about you were only mentioned in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2410258&postcount=510) where I said that you were "making my hair stand on end" and by repeating that it was a "gut" feeling in the first post.

What exactly are you trying to prove here anyway, that I don't feel the way I feel?

[Beskar]

Haven't a clue what the tally is, but since Sasaki made me laugh, I will go for the other suspect.

Vote: DiamondEyes

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What exactly are you trying to prove here anyway, that I don't feel the way I feel?

Simply this, since there is no evidence, to lynch me is to let the mafia win. They laugh mockingly at us as we lynch the one they framed. After our defeat at their hands, we will read there quicktopic and see their jubilant posts about the foolish town falling into their trap. You especially will feel their sneers, and be haunted by them.

If I am not lynched, we can turn the tables on them. You keep blocking me, and now the mafia is confused. They will frantically discuss what plan of action to take on their quicktopic. We can gloat about how we didn't fall for their trap. Will they forgo a kill indefinitely in order to continue framing me? Or will they prove me innocent by killing again? It is a hard choice for the mafia, and one they will not relish making.

[ULC]

/poetic rhetoric and "We can rule the world together" speech of a supervillian.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Oh, your a funny one :wink:

[TinCow]

Yeesh, that sounds like a lot of work. I'll take the embarassment; I'm used to it by now.

[seireikhaan]

:help:

Monday's are flat out unhelpful for me. I'll be getting the tally in a bit...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeesh, that sounds like a lot of work. I'll take the embarassment; I'm used to it by now.

But what will be the long term effect on your psyche, on the town's psyche? Once you plant the seed of insecurity it can not help but to grow. Just as a small child internalizes his bullies message with thoughts of his own shortcomings; so shall the town come to believe the arrogant words of the mafia. "We can't win", "They outsmart us at every turn", "It's all just WIFOM", "When are day one lynches ever successful", these are the thoughts of the town now, how much more despondent will they become if we allow your seed to grow into a tree? Soon half the town will defect to the mafia on the first turn, slavishly seeking to please their masters in exchange for their own life.

Consider the outcome of your actions TinCow.

[seireikhaan]

Sasaki Kojiro has been lynched. Writeup later tonight. PEOPLE WITH NIGHT ORDERS have 24 HOURS.

Tally:


Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray
Diamondeye 4 (Beskar, pevergreen, Andres, Chaotix)
Johnhughthom 1 (Winston Hughes)
Chaotix 1 (Sprig)
Beskar 1 (Atheotes)
Psychonaut 1 (Thermal Mercury)
Atheotes 1 (YLC)
Shayne Graham 1 (Sasaki)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)
Sasaki 12 (Acin, Psychonaut, Diamondeye, Thermal Mercury, TinCow, CDF, Double A, Johnhughthom, CCRunner, Scienter, A1_Unit, Joooray)

Just for posterity's sake.

[TinCow]

But what will be the long term effect on your psyche, on the town's psyche? Once you plant the seed of insecurity it can not help but to grow. Just as a small child internalizes his bullies message with thoughts of his own shortcomings; so shall the town come to believe the arrogant words of the mafia. "We can't win", "They outsmart us at every turn", "It's all just WIFOM", "When are day one lynches ever successful", these are the thoughts of the town now, how much more despondent will they become if we allow your seed to grow into a tree? Soon half the town will defect to the mafia on the first turn, slavishly seeking to please their masters in exchange for their own life.

Consider the outcome of your actions TinCow.

The horror... the horror...

http://www.typophile.com/files/apocalypse-brando2_6509.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki makes the game truly entertaining.

Makes me sad whenever I have to accuse him of stuff. :shame:

[naut]

Sasaki is really in the zone, I feel bad we lynched him. Do stick around to help if you are a townie. Please. :grin:

[seireikhaan]

Governor-General Yasei was feeling hopeful upon hearing of the recent events- two thwarted attempts on the being of one of the encampment members surely boded well. The parties at hand seemed confident as well. Immediately, Sasaki Kojiro was put forth with the closest to a unanimous vote thus far. The scribes were given little trouble with the ordeal, and by the end, an uncooperative Sasaki was bound and prostrated before Yasei. Yasei could see the burning frustration in the eyes of Sasaki. It was... a bit unsettling. To relieve himself of this, Yasei grabbed the hilt of his gleaming sword, and sliced a clean blow, rolling Sasaki's head from his neck.

As the guards shuffled the remains away from sight, Yasei addressed the crowd. "I know not whether we have continued our progress. I know not whether the one just executed was Netherworld dust. I do know this, however! If we keep our heads up, our spirits alert, we shall not falter! We shall not falter backwards! We shall be victorious!"

With an enthusiastic applause, Yasei stepped down from the dais, dismissing the rest to their posts.



Alive: 25

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 11

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)


Lynched: 4

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)

[Sprig]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)

:no:

Think about it now, if it gets down to 5 people and you have to lynch the last mafioso, which 5 would you rather have?

Sasaki
GH
Pizza
Tincow
Andres

Or:

A1_unit
Winston Hughes
Woad and Fangs
atheotes
CCRunner

[woad&fangs]

I would prefer having me, because I'm not a mafioso:clown:

[CCRunner]

I personally would rather have the second group because it'd mean I'm still alive ~;p

[woad&fangs]

Sweet! I finally figured out how to search threads by user-name again! Now I can add constructive analysis.

CCrunner is highly unlikely to be mafia in my opinion. His posts have mainly been about the write-ups rather than an attempt at analysis of player actions. While this is normally scummy, the phrasing of his posts indicate someone who is probably in the uninformed majority. (or a very very very good actor)

[Askthepizzaguy]

An endgame with the 5 of us still alive is a frightening thought, actually. I think what would follow would be nothing less than Armageddon.

I believe it would result in TinCow commenting about how much discussion is present, and how much it was getting us nowhere. Somehow I imagine Sasaki and I would be found dead with daggers in each other's throats, and Andres and GeneralHankerchief would engage in a beer drinking contest to determine who gets to die. There would be no Field Marshall Super-Megacow the Kojiro guy. There would only be Andres, winking at our pile of dead bodies, lifting a glass in honor of our supreme, and ultimately futile efforts.

Methinks our respective egos would do us in.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I just picked 5 people who didn't post a lot for the 2nd list, not meant as an insult. Picking the mafioso from that group would be a nightmare.

[Askthepizzaguy]

A1_unit
Winston Hughes
Woad and Fangs
atheotes
CCRunner

It was atheotes, obviously. Note the telltale bolding. It must mean he's guilty.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well yes, atheotes is always guilty. Should have used a different person for the example.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also consider that list Sasaki posted, consider who is left alive, and consider which alive person on the list has either greatly helped out with or engineered the lynch of the dead names on that list. :book:

[CCRunner]

I just picked 5 people who didn't post a lot for the 2nd list, not meant as an insult. Picking the mafioso from that group would be a nightmare.No insult taken :2thumbsup:

I know I don't post a lot. I'm just a high school student with a very busy schedule. Like, I leave home for 12 hours at a time most days of the week busy. I will say I get more active the longer games go on in most cases, providing I am still alive. Plus the fact that I'm still sort of new and thus not really sure of what constitutes normal behavior for some people :juggle2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think normal behavior is scummy. It's clearly an attempt to hide something...

[pevergreen]

I'm insulted that I'm not in either list.

:snobby:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm insulted that I'm not in either list.

:snobby:

You have your own exclusive (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/group.php?groupid=110) list.


Mmmkay about time we get back on topic now. :focus:

[Andres]

But what will be the long term effect on your psyche, on the town's psyche? Once you plant the seed of insecurity it can not help but to grow. Just as a small child internalizes his bullies message with thoughts of his own shortcomings; so shall the town come to believe the arrogant words of the mafia. "We can't win", "They outsmart us at every turn", "It's all just WIFOM", "When are day one lynches ever successful", these are the thoughts of the town now, how much more despondent will they become if we allow your seed to grow into a tree? Soon half the town will defect to the mafia on the first turn, slavishly seeking to please their masters in exchange for their own life.

Consider the outcome of your actions TinCow.

:laugh4:


An endgame with the 5 of us still alive is a frightening thought, actually. I think what would follow would be nothing less than Armageddon.

I believe it would result in TinCow commenting about how much discussion is present, and how much it was getting us nowhere. Somehow I imagine Sasaki and I would be found dead with daggers in each other's throats, and Andres and GeneralHankerchief would engage in a beer drinking contest to determine who gets to die. There would be no Field Marshall Super-Megacow the Kojiro guy. There would only be Andres, winking at our pile of dead bodies, lifting a glass in honor of our supreme, and ultimately futile efforts.

Methinks our respective egos would do us in.

I won't deny that I'm very talented, but I have to admit that my beer drinking skills are a bit rusty. GH is a student, so by definition he's now training his beer drinking muscles on a very regular basis and should be in excellent beer drinking shape. Would my experience and pure talent be enough to beat the well trained athlete? I'm not too sure about the outcome.

It should make for an exciting contest.

Hmmm... We should have a Gameroom chat with webcam to play beer drinking games :beam:

[naut]

Hmmm... We should have a Gameroom chat with webcam to play beer drinking games :beam:
Gameroom... King... of... Beers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kings_%28card_game%29)? :wink:

[Beskar]

It was atheotes, obviously. Note the telltale bolding. It must mean he's guilty.


Well yes, atheotes is always guilty. Should have used a different person for the example.

:bounce:

I like it how atheotes keeps getting the mafia. He amazingly wins quite a lot as well, or goes quite a way through the game without getting lynched.

Ironically, Sasaki hardly never gets Mafia, but is always lynched or night killed near the beginning.

[Winston Hughes]

I just picked 5 people who didn't post a lot for the 2nd list

I tried posting more. I nearly got lynched for it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, you see we often lynch people who don't post enough; we call them lurkers. But then, we also lynch people who post too much; we call them talkers.

We're not big on consistency.

[Winston Hughes]

Yes, you see we often lynch people who don't post enough

Really? I can't say I've seen much of that in my short time here.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Really? I can't say I've seen much of that in my short time here.

We have our first volunteer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Really? I can't say I've seen much of that in my short time here.

It might be the short time thing.

We were on an anti-lurker lynching spree there for a while. Pendulum swung back the other way I suppose.

[Winston Hughes]

We have our first volunteer.

I'm sure that you're aware of the irony in this, but will everyone else grasp it?

I think you know that some people won't, and that's exactly why you said it.

Looks like we lynched the right guy after all.

[Sigurd]

I tried posting more. I nearly got lynched for it.

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/24652409.jpg


:beam:

[Diamondeye]

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/24652409.jpg


:beam:

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/seal-of-approval.jpg

:beam::beam:

[Winston Hughes]

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/24652409.jpg

No, just using myself as an example.

[Diamondeye]

On a completely unrelated subject I would advise you not to post again, Winston, as it would eliminate the awesome postcount your account currently has.

Sorry for the offtopicness :embarassed:

[Beskar]

Don't worry, he has his tea towel with him.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

On a completely unrelated subject I would advise you not to post again, Winston, as it would eliminate the awesome postcount your account currently has.

Sorry for the offtopicness :embarassed:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: I love that book so much.

[ULC]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: I love that book so much.

"It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination."

Has to be one of the more funny and insightful paragraphs in the book. It's a wealth of knowledge if you look at it right :wink: I own the huge version which is all the books combined into one.

[Diamondeye]

Has to be one of the more funny and insightful paragraphs in the book. It's a wealth of knowledge if you look at it right :wink: I own the huge version which is all the books combined into one.

I just snatched it from a friend. He also has the entire "grande" book read by the author. You cannot imagine the awesomeness of listening to Douglas Adams, playing RTW and sipping red wine. That's how life should be lived.

Not like all this school :daisy: *grumble* *grumble*

[Double A]

Yes, you see we often lynch people who don't post enough; we call them lurkers. But then, we also lynch people who post too much; we call them talkers.

We're not big on consistency.

Is that why you always get killed on D1?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Double A is mafia.

[Sprig]

Double A is mafia.

Him and Chaotix. :whip:

[seireikhaan]

Sorry folks, I'm going to have to extend this 24 hours on my account. My profs are being mighty unkind upon my return.

[Double A]

Double A is mafia.

Probably.

[Beskar]

Has to be one of the more funny and insightful paragraphs in the book. It's a wealth of knowledge if you look at it right :wink: I own the huge version which is all the books combined into one.

Sometimes reading you is like reading myself. Are you my secret twin-brother? :inquisitive:

[seireikhaan]

:furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

Computer ate the writeup. It'll be up in about 5 hours, got school stuff to do. ~:handball:

[seireikhaan]

Diamondeye lay on his back, staring at the ceiling. It seemed a good time for a rest. Things were quieting down, hopefully. The drab, brown ceiling was a bit depressing, but at least it wasn't so garish to prevent rest for the weary. He wasn't quite feeling up for sleep, but settled for resting his eyes for a second.


A second would be all Diamondeye would get. With a mighty bang, the door exploded behind the rearing kick of a white stallion, and was blown across the room. Sprinting behind the path made, an intruder brandished a sword with its right hand, while the left raised a buckler for protection. Diamondeye managed a haphazard roll to his right to avoid a downward slice. He grabbed his spear, which had been laid on a chair, and swiveled to face the intruder. The intruder charging, Diamondeye hopped to his left and attempted to bring a thrust around the raised shield. However, the intruder swung its blade upwards, smacking the spear amiss. It made impact with Diamondeye's chest with its buckler, driving him to the ground. Without hesitation, it brought the sword to bear on Diamondeye's neck, The strike wasn't clean, forcing the attacker to rip the blade out for three more blows to settle the matter once and for all.








In the swamp beyond the encampment's borders, a woman's head popped up from under the murkey water. She swiveled, checking the surroundings. Deciding all was clear, she ascended the shoreline on the lower bounds of the mountain, revealing a scaly, dark green, slithering lower body. Sliding along, holding her upper body aloft, she entered the cave entrance. She was taken off guard when an animal-headed humanoid leaped from the shadows, knife bore. At the last second, the two froze. Then stared incredulously at each other.


“Wait, he's in here too?” she asked it. It cocked its head for a second, then nodded. She raised an eyebrow, and the humanoid cocked its head to the side again. “Well... I suppose there's no harm in going together, I s uppose....” she muttered. Nodding, the humaoid turned and gestured that they move on. In the distance, a shimmering purple light could be seen. After nearly an hour of treking through the tunnel, the two seemed no closer, and had made zero progress. The humanoid was emitting a low growl. T'was then a deep voice rumbled throughout the cave.


“Oh, we have visitors! How nice, isn't it, little brother?” A child's voice rang out in response.


“Oooooh, yay! Yes, yes, its been so long! We might get friends, big brother! Its been ages since we've had anyone else to play with!” The woman frowned.


“Where are you!?” She demanded.


“We're just a bit further, pretty lady!” the child proclaimed. “Just go to the purple light!” Now severely annoyed, the woman turned to the one next to her, who was growling quite a bit louder now. Nevertheless, she put a hand on its shoulder, and motioned that they continue. After just a few seconds, a chilly, black fog misted around the two. Any sight from before vanished, but they marche forward a bit further. Then, suddenly, the fog was gone. In front of them stood a massive pyre, which was ablaze with a purple flame. “Come on, pretty lady, you're almost there!” The child encouraged. “Follow the purple light!”


Before she could object to the odd demand, the humanoid next to her let loose a snarl, then stomped straight up to the pyre's walkway, directly into the fire itself. Though the flames clearly licked at its heels, the woman's partner stood there, seething in anget at the whole situation. Hesitantly, she slithered forward, and reached a finger out to the flames. A flash blinded her, and a high pitched ringing richoted around the cavern.

Whens he came to, the humanoid stood before her, still very clearly angry. She got a hold of her surroundings. They were in a stone chamber, with seven alters laid in a circle around them. In the center of it was massive dais, at least ten feet tall. Atop it stood a stone golem, at least as tall as the dais itself. It wore a badly rusted mail hauberk. Riding atop it was a small, blond haired boy, his legs wrapped around the neck of the golem, its hands maintaining balance on the head. The boy wore a simple gray tunic and trousers.


“Yay, now we can have fun, right big brother?” the boy asked the golem.


“Yes, now we can have fun,” the golem responded. The humanoid finally lost its last thread of patience, and leaped up from the floor onto the dais. Growling loudly, it thrusted the knife at the golem. The golem raised a hand and grabbed the humanoid's arm, stopping the attack dead in its tracks. Th golem grabbed it at the neck with the other hand, then tossed it off the dais, landing back-first onto one of the altars. The woman was stunned at the brute force, but would not be intimidated. She slid up to the base of the dais, then uncoiled, scrambling her upper body onto the platform, then pulling the rest of her up. “Do you want to have fun too?” The golem asked her.


“I will have none of this nonsense!” She screamed. She charged it, taking first a swing with her clawed hands. When the golem grabbed her wrist, she was ready. She swung her lower body to the left, the scaled length wrapping around the golem. The end of it snapped around the neck of the boy. When the golem attempted to throw her off the dais, she kept her hold, and the boy came flying off with her. She skidded and rolled across the stone floor, while the boy was completely ragdolled.


“Little brother!” the golem rumbled. It jumped off the platform, resulting in a loud crash. The golem was not nimble enough to coordinate the jump, and it collapsed to the ground. The woman recouped and was treking for the boy, while the humanoid had jumped onto the back of the golem, stabbing at every point it could find. The child was still laying limp on the ground when the woman arrived. She reached back to gouge it with her claws, when it snapped its head 180 degrees to face her.


“Isn't this fun, big brother?” It called out. The woman was taken off guard. The golem, which was still flat on its face while an angry intruder stabbed at its joints, agreed.


“Yes, we haven't had this much fun in quite a while!” The woman hesitated for a moment. The backwards head of the boy just grinned at her. It was... off putting. She decided the best way to settle this would be to end it, now. She reached back once more, and gouged the boy in the back of the neck. She slashed, and cut, and cut, but that grin would not leave the boy's face....


Pop


She staggered for a second. The altar room was gone. The boy was gone, the golem, gone. In the stead of the altar room, they were in the meadow far to the northeast of the encampment. In the stead of the golem, with the humanoid still stabbing it, lay the remains of Sprig. In the stead of the boy's grin was what was left of Cultured Drizzt fan. The woman hissed, slashed at the remains one last time, then slid away in fumes at the whole debacle....













Alive: 22

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC


Slain: 14

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)


Lynched: 4

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)








THE DAY PHASE BEGINS NOW! YOU HAVE 36 HOURS TO DISCUSS!




Jiminy cricket, finally got this finished at 2 am+... :skull:

[ULC]

Who is your friend Atheotes? She looked rather pretty. Vote: Atheotes

[TinCow]

This is a message for the guy riding the white horse who has made kill attempts on Nights 1, 3, 4, and 5. We have previously referred to you as Perseus, though in researching mythology there appear to be numerous roles which fit into the description of riding a white, winged horse. I have mentioned you before as a vigilante, but I am not seeing any caution or targeting whatsoever in your kills. I no longer believe you are a vigilante and have decided to treat you as an enemy of the town. If you ARE pro-town, it would be in your interests to contact me and explain yourself. If you are pro-town, I can provide you with information that will allow you to direct your attacks more accurately.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Beskar

[ULC]

Vote: Beskar

Atheotes is obviously guilty - why are you voting for Beskar? This is very untowny like.

[Beskar]

It actually looks like Diamondeyes was innocent afterall :inquisitive:, I am sorry Bakerboy for doubting you.

[Diamondeye]

:cry: :shame:

[Scienter]

Atheotes is obviously guilty - why are you voting for Beskar? This is very untowny like.

What's your reasoning behind this?

[Thermal]

vote: choatix

[TinCow]

vote: choatix

Hey, that's my job! :furious3:

------------------

Greetings, today's bandwagon will be on Chaotix.

1) Chaotix 'revealed' to me on Day 2 with a role that doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a game-balance and complexity level:


Hello, TinCow.

The way the votes are going this round, it is pretty likely you are going to be lynched, unless you feel you can wriggle your way out of it.

If you think you are going to die, then I suggest you reveal your true role to me before it becomes illegal to do so. If you really have a pro-town role, then it will probably benefit the town better for you to be alive than dead. I can make sure that you are brought back to life to help us again... but first I will need some convincing that you really are what you claim to be.

If you think you can survive without my help, then you don't have to tell me anything. But bringing you back to life if you die will have a cost to it, as well... and if I do not know that the gain will be greater than that, I will not attempt it.

-Chaotix

He gave more information on this role in later PMs to me. He claimed that his role had the power to raise the dead, but that in order to do so he had to take the life of another person who voluntarily consented to that deal. Since he has to sacrifice someone to bring another person back to life, it is totally useless to use his abilities on anyone other than a pro-town role.

This role doesn't seem to fit 'khaan's games IMO. 'khaan's role PMs are minimalist in nature and he learned in Netherworld I with the Lucifer role that excessive complexity caused problems. This role requires Chaotix to (1) find a pro-town role (2) have the pro-town role be dead and (3) find a townie who is willing to voluntarily die. That's pretty convoluted, especially when you consider that the role has no ability to find pro-town roles. As such, the only people this role can reliably resurrect are dead pro-town roles whose identities are publicly known. If the identity is publicly known, that pro-town role is just going to get killed again immediately. Basically, Chaotix's claimed role is incredibly difficult to use and useless except in a very few select situations. It's not realistic and I don't believe it.

2) Chaotix's role gives him a legitimate excuse for digging for pro-town role identities. Since resurrecting townies is worthless based on the sacrifice requirement, it's only useful for pro-town roles. So, he can ask for the IDs of these people all over the place. He subtly probed me for pro-town role IDs on a few occasions with this excuse.

3) Chaotix worked very hard to keep Sasaki from being lynched:









Hey, Tincow,

I know this is a sudden change, but I just had an idea that could make Sasaki useful to us, even if he is a mafioso.

I've offered him a deal: his life now, in exchange for it later when I need to revive a pro-town role. Basically the same that I did with Winston Hughes, but with a higher priority should the opportunity arise.

I realize that you may not want to support this, but I would very much appreciate it. If I don't have your help, then Sasaki will get lynched no matter what- so the plan is an insta-fail if you don't, which is better than it working and then me not having your support later.

If you choose to help me out, could you also ask Garuda to protect me for the following night phase? The chances are that, if Sasaki is mafia, he will attempt to kill me before I can sacrifice him. If I had Garuda protecting me, then we could lynch Sasaki if he did attack, and if you die because you didn't have protection, I could bring you back to life with Winston.

If Sasaki really is innocent, then there will be no problems, and you and the other power roles will have gained another "extra life".

-Chaotix

How do you know Sasaki will actually cooperate?

Well, that's why I'm waiting on his answer via PM. If he refuses, then we can just lynch him.

But it's probably in his best interest, whichever role he is, to accept.

Right, but how can you know he'll really accept, even if he says he does. Presumably he could tell you yes, and tell 'khaan no.

Well, the assumption is that if he kills one of us, the town will lynch him. If he's really a townie, there's no reason for him not to do so; he knows that dying to bring back a pro-town would serve in the town's favor. So, if he tricks me at some point and refuses, we still will have caught a mafioso. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

What's more, I'm going to lead him on and make him believe it's a "blood contract", as an added security.

He's also just contacted me, and has accepted the offer. What will you do?

I've got to be honest, I don't think this is a good idea. If Sasaki is mafia, he gets to live and kill again and he won't honor the deal. If he's town, he's still Sasaki and I don't think he'll voluntarily sacrifice himself. In addition, if we let Sasaki walk here it'll be harder to get the votes on him again later. If you can persuade people to change their votes, I won't try to stop it, but I'm keeping mine where it is.

That said, you have indeed made yourself very vulnerable with this move. I will discuss the situation with the doctor and see who he thinks should be protected.

Thanks. By the way, Sasaki agreed again, even when I told him it was a blood contract. I think he is indeed willing to sacrifice himself, if he gets to live now.








Hello, Sasaki.

The way the votes are going this round, it is pretty likely you are going to be lynched, unless you feel you can wriggle your way out of it.

If you think you are going to die, then I suggest you reveal your true role to me before it becomes illegal to do so. If you really have a pro-town role, then it will probably benefit the town better for you to be alive than dead. I can make sure that you are brought back to life to help us again... but first I will need some convincing that you really are what you claim to be.

If you think you can survive without my help, then you don't have to tell me anything. But bringing you back to life if you die will have a cost to it, as well... and if I do not know that the gain will be greater than that, I will not attempt it.

-Chaotix

I'm not a pro town role. Plain townie.

Sasaki

How about a deal, Sasaki?

You're claiming that you're a basic townie. In that case, it's senseless for us to lynch you. There are far more useful things you can do then get lynched. So here is my proposal:

If I can get the town to pass you up for a better candidate, then you must pledge that you will allow me to use your life at a later point in the game. You would serve the town much better if you died in order to bring a pro-town role back to life.

What do you say?

Sure, I'll die to bring back a pro town.

Sasaki

I'll see what I can do, but the town doesn't trust me, either, and I can't make any promises.

Just a precaution- by giving me this consent, you are signing a "blood contract". Once you have agreed, you cannot take it back once I need you. That being said, are you still going to proceed?

Yes. Are you protected enough that you can explain to the town?

Sasaki

And now that I've basically got him believing this, as long as I am kept alive, if he tries anything I can sacrifice him and he'll believe he must go along with it.

I'm actually starting to believe he's telling the truth now. Would he go this far if he was a mafioso? If he knew he was going to be used to bring back a pro-town role, even if he survived, would he go along with it?

In that situation, I would take death without bringing back a pro-town if I were mafia

If I were him, I'd go along with it when facing certain death by lynching.
That was a lot of work to save Sasaki under the circumstances. Why would a pro-town role risk his neck to save someone who was either (1) a mafioso or (2) a townie? The reason Chaotix gave was that Sasaki 'agreed' to be a sacrifice later in the game to resurrect a dead pro-town role to be named later. Who in their right mind would trust anyone, let alone Sasaki, to fulfill that bargain under these circumstances?

Also note that the PM Chaotix sent to Sasaki is identical to the one he sent me when I was about to be lynched. Chaotix has told me he made a similar deal with Winston Hughes on Day 1:


Alright, I was on the verge of doing a reveal to save Sasaki, but I decided it wasn't worth it in the end.

Sasaki's not going to get any more help from me; I can't continue to risk my own neck for him, whether or not he is a townie is irrelevant on that point. He's going to get lynched, and I won't be happy, but it's the only sensible option at this point in the round.

Chances are whatever effort I might have made wouldn't have amounted to enough turnover votes anyway. I might have even gotten myself lynched.

In any case, I only have 1 townie that I can use on the spot to revive a pro-town, and that's Winston Hughes, whom I saved on Day 1. If you know or believe any more players to be basic townies, please let me know when I might need them. This business of saving townies from the brink of a lynch is not really working on my end.
Essentially, Chaotix would have us believe he's a pro-town role who's voluntarily revealing his identity to every single person we choose to lynch. That's possibly the world's worst survival strategy for a pro-town role.

4) After the end of Day 3, I told Chaotix that I trusted him and gave him a secret code so that if I died I could ID pro-town roles to him in the thread without anyone noticing (since I have otherwise refused to give him pro-town role IDs for security purposes). On Night 4, I was attacked for the first time by the mafia. Looks like the mafia wanted me to use that code.

5) I roleblocked Chaotix on N5, and Yama did not kill for the first time in the game. Note that Yama's absense is not accounted for by Sasaki's death, because Yama appeared on N4, when I was blocking Sasaki.

Vote: Chaotix

[Andres]

but I just had an idea that could make Sasaki useful to us, even if he is a mafioso.

:rolleyes:

Really now, Chaotix. Mafiosi are lynched, period. If you're townie, you don't "use" them for whatever purpose, you take them out, period.

Vote : Chaotix

[woad&fangs]

wow

vote: chaotix

That sounds like a VERY good case against him.

[Scienter]

Busted! :smash:

Vote:Chaotix

[GeneralHankerchief]

:rolleyes:

[Beskar]

Never try to cross TinCow, he isn't the best and undefeated Lawyer in Washington DC for nothing.

Vote: Chaotix

[ULC]

And so the master plan begins....Vote:Chaotix

[Thermal]

Hey, that's my job! :furious3:

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Nonsense, without my vote you wouldn't have had the power to create such a wonderful case. :juggle2: :egypt:

[Winston Hughes]

Chaotix did tell me about this supposed ability of his, and asked me if I would be prepared to give up my life to save someone more useful to the town cause. Frankly, I thought he was just testing me to see my reaction, and said that I would (which was true only to the extent that I would die to save someone who I knew to have a useful ability).

Since his death now seems assured (and fully deserved), I won't jump on the bandwagon right now. Instead, I'd going to vote: johnhughthom once more, in the hope that he'll give some reason for his latest unexplained vote.

[Double A]

Since when would Sasaki agree to die as a plain townie?

Faking PM's + faking role = scumtell :smash:

vote: Chaotix

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is stupid, give chaotix a chance to demonstrate his power. If he's lying it will be proven.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm still waiting for the other person to explain WHY I AM DEAD.


:brood:

[woad&fangs]

This is stupid, give chaotix a chance to demonstrate his power. If he's lying it will be proven.

Fine. I offer my life to revive ATPG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't want to be revived.

I just want to know why I'm dead, that's all. I want SOMEONE to explain why I ended up dying, when it was an ENORMOUS surprise to ME.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't want to be revived.

I just want to know why I'm dead, that's all. I want SOMEONE to explain why I ended up dying, when it was an ENORMOUS surprise to ME.

Khaan told you that you were lynch immune to mess with you.

[Double A]

Because you sacrificed yourself to save TC?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan told you that you were lynch immune to mess with you.

Getting warmer, but no.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Getting warmer, but no.

Someone was supposed to protect you?

[ULC]

Someone was supposed to protect you?

Okay, now your cold little one. I told him he was lynch immune, not Khaan.

[Joooray]

Chaotix did tell me about this supposed ability of his, and asked me if I would be prepared to give up my life to save someone more useful to the town cause. Frankly, I thought he was just testing me to see my reaction, and said that I would (which was true only to the extent that I would die to save someone who I knew to have a useful ability).

Since his death now seems assured (and fully deserved), I won't jump on the bandwagon right now. Instead, I'd going to vote: johnhughthom once more, in the hope that he'll give some reason for his latest unexplained vote.
So Winston tell me, you have some kind of special role that keeps you from voting for anybody else but john? And what happens if he actually dies? Or are you just really cranky?

Anyway, the case against Chaotix seems solid, so I just hop on. Vote: Chaotix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That was a dirty trick. Totally unnecessary too... so I'm just wondering what was up with that. Wasted lynch round, adding damaged credibility to the person who died... no explanation or apology.

As each round passes without the other shoe dropping, I grow more suspicious and agitated.

[pevergreen]

Just keep swimming.

Vote: Chaotix

[ULC]

That was a dirty trick. Totally unnecessary too... so I'm just wondering what was up with that. Wasted lynch round, adding damaged credibility to the person who died... no explanation or apology.

As each round passes without the other shoe dropping, I grow more suspicious and agitated.

Round and roundabout he goes, where his trail of thought stops, no one knows. Is he doomed to roundabout forever, is he doomed to think and within his thoughts wander?

Oh, am I ever having fun.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The mafia deserve to win this game. Every round is a runaway bandwagon. Since when do we at the org bandwagon without shame? You don't put a whole bunch of votes on someone because then you can't reverse it. You don't lynch someone with the claim that they are lying when they can conceivably prove their ability.

My recommendation: pick one of the bandwagoners and get them to equal votes with chaotix.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Round and roundabout he goes, where his trail of thought stops, no one knows. Is he doomed to roundabout forever, is he doomed to think and within his thoughts wander?

Oh, am I ever having fun.

I recommend killing this guy.

[Thermal]

The mafia deserve to win this game. Every round is a runaway bandwagon. Since when do we at the org bandwagon without shame? You don't put a whole bunch of votes on someone because then you can't reverse it. You don't lynch someone with the claim that they are lying when they can conceivably prove their ability.

My recommendation: pick one of the bandwagoners and get them to equal votes with chaotix.

I agree to a certain extent, unless the case is fool proof we should be prepared for changes of hearts and new info in the round. However I'm not bandwagonning choatix, I placed the first vote. :egypt: Beside I hate bandwagons too. But either way I think choatix is doomed with the votes hes already got.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or we could kill the guy that lied to me and doesn't care he wasted a round and a life and won't explain why he did it and is obviously not a pro-town role and duly, duly, duly deserves death.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree to a certain extent, unless the case is fool proof we should be prepared for changes of hearts and new info in the round. However I'm not bandwagonning choatix, I placed the first vote. :egypt: Beside I hate bandwagons too. But either way I think choatix is doomed with the votes hes already got.

This is fatalism, it that a philosophy you agree with?

Three unvotes and revotes from people who are currently voting for chaotix would draw things much closer. If you hated bandwagons, you would remove your vote because it is now contributing to the bandwagon.


Lynching a role that could resurrect pro town roles would be a bad thing, this is a rash bandwagon.

[Winston Hughes]

So Winston tell me, you have some kind of special role that keeps you from voting for anybody else but john? And what happens if he actually dies? Or are you just really cranky?

I am pretty cranky. Not sure if that's why I keep voting for john, or if it's because he really is acting suspiciously. Either way, I figure it's a better move than jumping on whichever bandwagon happens to roll past.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I find that Winston is posting a suspiciously large amount.

[Thermal]

This is fatalism, it that a philosophy you agree with?

Three unvotes and revotes from people who are currently voting for chaotix would draw things much closer. If you hated bandwagons, you would remove your vote because it is now contributing to the bandwagon.


Lynching a role that could resurrect pro town roles would be a bad thing, this is a rash bandwagon.

Well, I don't think fatalism is such a bad strategy in this situation. But If I were to unvote, I would be wanting to find someone else who looks suspicious. Unvoting from someone with a good case against them to a random person isn't much use.

And if we do even it up, fate won't decide, but I'm sure the mafia would. I appear to be useless but in smaller games I can really give it my all, I just simply don't have the time or energy to read the whole thread to look for patterns and spot behavior abnormalities. :brood:

[TinCow]

For anyone who wasn't paying attention to my post where I accused Chaotix, Sasaki is one of his mafioso buddies. I suggest ignoring him (no offense, Sasaki :bow:).

[Askthepizzaguy]

As long as YLC is next to go. :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

For anyone who wasn't paying attention to my post where I accused Chaotix, Sasaki is one of his mafioso buddies. I suggest ignoring him (no offense, Sasaki :bow:).

I take extreme offense to this. I rarely if ever defend my mafia buddies after being lynched because people always assume the worst. You appear to have caught three mafia in a row TinCow, first GH, then me, and now chaotix. For a pro town role to cop out a debate is dishonorable. I know I joke around, but I'm not now.

1) Why not let chaotix demonstrate his ability? Simple question
2) Please explain which killers you believe GH to be, and which you believe me to be.
3) You no longer believe there is a vigilante yes? This was an important part of your argument yesterday. There were three killers last night, and you claim to have lynched two and roleblocked the other.

[Winston Hughes]

I find that Winston is posting a suspiciously large amount.

By the gods, you're right! Let's lynch the loose-lipped fool before he brings disaster to each and every one of us!!

[pevergreen]

Unvote: Chaotix, Vote: Winston

I find I agree with Sasaki. Whats going on .Org?

Do we, perchance, need to reintroduce the mandatory first vote of Sasaki voting Ichigo, and then the second vote of Ichigo voting Sasaki?

The (now defunct) curse of Kage?

The insults aimed at Lemur?

peverreenk?

[Askthepizzaguy]

When did that Sasaki-Ichigo thing get started? I assume one of them told a big fat lie and the other vowed perpetual revenge?

[ULC]

I recommend killing this guy.


Or we could kill the guy that lied to me and doesn't care he wasted a round and a life and won't explain why he did it and is obviously not a pro-town role and duly, duly, duly deserves death.


As long as YLC is next to go. :2thumbsup:

My, my, getting personal, are we? If you have some issue with me, take it to PM - no need to bring such messy things out in the open like this.

[TinCow]

I take extreme offense to this. I rarely if ever defend my mafia buddies after being lynched because people always assume the worst. You appear to have caught three mafia in a row TinCow, first GH, then me, and now chaotix. For a pro town role to cop out a debate is dishonorable. I know I joke around, but I'm not now.

1) Why not let chaotix demonstrate his ability? Simple question
2) Please explain which killers you believe GH to be, and which you believe me to be.
3) You no longer believe there is a vigilante yes? This was an important part of your argument yesterday. There were three killers last night, and you claim to have lynched two and roleblocked the other.

1) Do you know of a dead pro-town role to use it on? If not, what's even the point of him proving it if it's just exchanging one dead townie for another?
2) I do not believe GH was a mafioso, it was just a typical erroneous early game lynch.
3) I am currently undecided on whether the killer we call Perseus is a vigilante or not. If he is not, I believe him to be an independent of some kind. I claim to have lynched 1 killer and roleblocked 1 killer. I see 2 mafioso last night, plus Perseus. It fits.

[Chaotix]

Ugh... seriously? Now you think I'm mafia, TinCow?

Well, I'll tell you what. Whether I get lynched or not, you've just screwed the town over by revealing my role. If you thought you might be embarrassed if you were wrong about Sasaki, then you have hit the jackpot of all embarrassing decisions with this move.

And I'll show you why. I'll lay out a nice little list of possible outcomes.

-You lynch me. Congratulations, whether you believe me or not, you, Garuda, and every other pro-town role have lost their only chance at being revived once they die.

-You let me live. In this case, I assume you want me to prove my power is real. Fine. As soon as the mafia sees what I can do, they will try to kill me anyway. And if you try to protect me, then you leave yourself undefended. So we will be constantly playing a guessing game with the mafia over who to protect, and if they are allied, they will simply put a hit on both of us. And then, provided I survive, I will have to sacrifice player after player to keep bringing you back.

What is is you want, exactly? Would you like more information on my role? You have the basic gist of it already.

I cannot account for the absence of Yama, but perhaps it is because he anticipated what you might do. I am not Yama. I am Hortulanes. I am a wandering alchemist, who has learned the secret to create life- and as with all alchemy, it is an equivalent exchange. I must extinguish one life to bring back another. That is all.

[Thermal]

Winston isn't acting that odd, he doesn't lurk either, hes new to the org so he post count will be low, but its hard for you to give a proper judgment yet. And whilst he may seem 'suspicious' suspicious is the game he plays all the time from the few games he has been in.

[TinCow]

Ugh... seriously? Now you think I'm mafia, TinCow?

Well, I'll tell you what. Whether I get lynched or not, you've just screwed the town over by revealing my role. If you thought you might be embarrassed if you were wrong about Sasaki, then you have hit the jackpot of all embarrassing decisions with this move.

Oh, please. You revealed your role to at least 3 people who were about to be lynched. You clearly do not care about your role getting out.



-You lynch me. Congratulations, whether you believe me or not, you, Garuda, and every other pro-town role have lost their only chance at being revived once they die.

Garuda and I agree on this. We don't find you particularly useful and think you're scum. Considering we're the only people your claimed role can even theoretically help, that's not a good sign.

[ULC]

You know what, because I am in the mood not to care, and technically, this will only ruin my fun, I'll reveal. I am capable of redirecting abilities to myself, and am immune to night attacks - however, someone still has to die to fulfill the illusion, if I am attacked - it won't be their original target however.

I am the illusions that the Lamia, a Dog-Like creature, and the Perseus rider have all attacked. I've earned the ire of the mafia already,, which would be the Lamia, and I know for a fact that two people capable of killing are Atheotes (Dog-Creature, possibly Anubis) and CCRunner (Mr fancy pants flying horse rider). Chaotix is more then likely Yama, and as you can see, minus the Lamia, that accounts for all killers.

I am sure TC will be able to find out about the Lamia, but as for me, I've wanted to have fun from the beginning, and simply play out my role. Now I can.

Have fun, mafia scum.

[Winston Hughes]

Unvote: Chaotix, Vote: Winston

I find I agree with Sasaki. Whats going on .Org?

'What's going on?' indeed. I didn't understand any of that post.


Winston isn't acting that odd, he doesn't lurk either, hes new to the org so he post count will be low, but its hard for you to give a proper judgment yet. And whilst he may seem 'suspicious' suspicious is the game he plays all the time from the few games he has been in.

I've been rumbled.