Large Mafia Game Netherworld II [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 5

seireikhaan

01-23-2010, 00:56

Despite no changes in the roster list of active members of the encampment, there was still a charged atmosphere at the gathering. All had felt the unnatural reverberation coming from somewhere near the encampment. With fewer left, the scribe had little trouble keeping track of discussion. There was a runaway of accusations against YLC, who ended the session with more than double the number of official accusations than the next closest. But before the execution could be performed, the scribe whispered once more into the ear of the Governor-General. Rolling his eyes, he strolled into the crowd. The same place where Centurion1 had been idling away with a game, A completely inoffensive name was also fiddling with a game of his own device. Not bothering to waste time, Yasei sliced Acin's head clean off before returning to his position.

"Now, where were we... ah, right." YLC was knelt before the Governor-General. "Any last words?" Yasei asked him. YLC shook his head slowly. Gripping the glowing sword, Yasei brought it down straight through the top of YLC' skull. The sword made it to the waist before it's progress halted.

"AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" An uproarious laugh echoed through the chamber. "You dare to lay a blade upon me? Me? You'd have better luck convincing Hades himself to be best of buddies, you would! Nice try, though, I'll give you that. You sure carved that poor victim up nicely, didn't you!"

pop

In a flash, wearing black, velvet attire, a wide-brimmed, black hat, and a cane in its left hand, stood what could only be presumed to be the actual form of YLC. Below Governor-General Yasei lay the body of TinCow, carved from nearly top to bottom.

"Get him!" Yasei roared. The entire room rushed to capture YLC, but with almost no effort at all, he leaped, nearly floating, into the air. He stood with one foot on the shoulder of a guard, then leaped again, touching a hand to the raised celing. Defying all forms of sense, he stayed on the ceiling by the grip of the hand.

"Well, gentlemen, it seems I'm not terribly welcome here anymore. I suppose I'll bid thee adieu... for now." And with that, YLC doffed his hat, then melted into the ceiling.

Tally:

YLC 8 (woad&fangs, Beskar, YLC, pevergreen, Andres, Psychonaut, TinCow, Kralizec
Beskar 3 (johnhughthom, Joooray, Double A)
woad&fangs 1 (Sigurd)

Alive: 13

A1_Unit
Andres
Beskar
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
woad&fangs

Slain: 18

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)

Lynched: 7

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)

Wrath of Khaan: 2

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)

I WANT ORDERS WITHIN 24 HOURS. PLEASE SEND THEM ASAP.

Kralizec

01-23-2010, 01:08

Whoops....

well, it was partially TinCow's own fault :skull:

Beskar

01-23-2010, 01:28

and some of you commented YLC was pro-town or townie. :rolleyes:

Diamondeye

01-23-2010, 01:48

So the first "protown powerrole" just bombed the roleblocker?

Hardcore.

woad&fangs

01-23-2010, 03:50

That was... unexpected

Chaotix

01-23-2010, 03:53

Beskar

01-23-2010, 03:55

Well, would you look at that? Now TinCow is quite dead, and he has nobody to revive him! And the town's got at least one more mafioso to lynch, as well.

I bet you wish you had someone to revive you now, TinCow.

What an absolute shame...

Don't worry, half the game are investigators apparently, we will find them sooner or later.

Chaotix

01-23-2010, 03:57

Hate to break it to ya, but once those investigators are dead, they're gone for good, too. I would suggest not publicly revealing them.

The way it seems, you have a role as well, Beskar.

Beskar

01-23-2010, 04:07

Hate to break it to ya, but once those investigators are dead, they're gone for good, too. I would suggest not publicly revealing them.

The way it seems, you have a role as well, Beskar.

No, I don't actually. Which is what is amusing.

I was mocking the fact both atheotes and YLC, both obvious Mafia roles either claimed to be investigators or "in contact" with these investigators, even though these investigators never gave their results to TinCow, even though he was "apparently revealed" to be a pro-town.

YLC tried to focus the bandwagon on him on me, which failed miserably, when our local pro-town pretty much stated that it was false and that YLC was indeed scum.

This self-claimed servant of the town could kill some one with them when lynched. If indeed, YLC was the saviour townie-lord, and I was actually a mafia, wouldn't he have targeted to kill me, thus win the game and the town celebrate?

That is just the thing. YLC only likes me in the way he can manulipate a vote on me, which people foolishly do for whatever reason. He knows that I wasn't a mafia, infact, if he was recruited by some one, by trying to scum me, makes sure his master survives to live on through a lynch at least. Also, a mafia would be a bigger threat to his master than TinCow, as TinCow can only roleblock, a mafia would kill his master. If anything, killing TinCow would only aid a Mafia, or even worse scenario, the fact TinCow has a doctor on him, means that the doctor might infact protect his "master".

Only YLC could provide the answers, or his Master, but I wouldn't trust either of them till end of the game.

TinCow

01-23-2010, 04:12

Well, would you look at that? Now TinCow is quite dead, and he has nobody to revive him! And the town's got at least one more mafioso to lynch, as well.

I bet you wish you had someone to revive you now, TinCow.

What an absolute shame...

Actually, no. Having someone revive me at this point would be rather inconvenient. Dead is where I belong, and dead is where I would like to stay.

Beskar

01-23-2010, 04:14

Unsportmanship reason + Should remain dead + Some one was recruited = You?

I doubt you would agree, but I think that is something to consider as it makes sense when your actions are explained in that context.

Chaotix

01-23-2010, 04:17

True, one good thing about your death is that you no longer have any ability, even if you wanted to, to reveal that information which would be unsportsmanlike.

I do hope the town can manage without its roleblocker.

EDIT: I don't think TinCow was recruited, Beskar. If he was, then he wouldn't have mentioned that he had information to begin with.

Beskar

01-23-2010, 04:21

EDIT: I don't think TinCow was recruited, Beskar. If he was, then he wouldn't have mentioned that he had information to begin with.

I have to be bluntly honest, I really want to know the reason, as it doesn't make sense to me.

naut

01-23-2010, 04:29

I have to be bluntly honest, I really want to know the reason, as it doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sure he'll explain whatever happened after the game.

Beskar

01-23-2010, 04:33

I'm sure he'll explain whatever happened after the game.

Yeah, he said that. Except I am like a cat, I am always curious. I will stop mentioning it now, as it probably bugs him as he might feel he said too much already.

Askthepizzaguy

01-23-2010, 07:18

Let's all wait until after the game, please. Let there be no more discussion on this point, it is distracting and you won't guess what it is, and even if you did, it wouldn't solve any of your problems. Friendly advice, and the last thing I will say: Move on, .org.

Holy secret liberal propaganda, Batman! Quick, moderators, banish this post to the Bat-room!

Double A

01-23-2010, 09:02

Surprising how I'm paying the least attention to the game, but I always vote for the less-crucial-to-townie-victory player.

Can I succeed from this base camp?

A1_Unit

01-23-2010, 22:01

No one can surpass my complete ignorance of what is going on here!:laugh4::smash:

If it's the night phase - hurry up SKs now! If it's the day phase - vote for me!:whip:

Double A

01-23-2010, 22:04

No one can surpass my complete ignorance of what is going on here!:laugh4::smash:

If it's the night phase - hurry up SKs now! If it's the day phase - vote for me!:whip:

I can

Thermal

01-23-2010, 22:29

THE GAME IS OVER

don't worry it was a song lyric

seireikhaan

01-24-2010, 02:42

With fewer guards to patrol the encampment, woad&fangs had been pulled from his usual guard routine on the inner sanctum to the outer fence on the east side. Staying alert as possible, woad naturally noticed a shiny, silver object flail in the distance amidst a small pile of rubble. He trotted over at a light jog. When he arrived at the rubble, he poked around with a spear, checking for reaction. On the second jab, the pile erupted, and a silver flash was all that woad saw of the knife before it plunged into his chest. The rubble gone, he could see a green tail snaking around to behind a large rock. A woman slithered her way from behind it, while her tail wrapped around woad, constricting, driving the knife in further. She grimaced at him once before driving her clawed hands into his neck for the final blow.

Alive: 12

A1_Unit
Andres
Beskar
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury

Slain: 19

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)

Lynched: 7

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)

Wrath of Khaan: 2

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)

YOU HAVE 36 HOURS FOR THIS DAY PASE!

Sasaki Kojiro

01-24-2010, 04:25

Sigurd is my recommendation.

woad&fangs

01-24-2010, 05:13

woad naturally noticed a shiny, silver object

QFT

Good luck to the surviving townies. I'll try to dig some stuff up on the remaining suspects (AKA all of you). Sigurd has been way too quiet.

Andres

01-24-2010, 13:27

johnhughtom's behaviour is starting to freak me out.

Vote : johnhughtom

johnhughthom

01-24-2010, 14:14

johnhughtom's behaviour is starting to freak me out.

:inquisitive:

Beskar

01-24-2010, 15:27

I am going to roll my dice with the ghosts. Bag us a Mafia.

vote: Sigurd

Scienter

01-24-2010, 16:02

How many mafia ppl are left? Just Lamia?

johnhughthom

01-24-2010, 16:08

Vote: Sigurd

naut

01-24-2010, 16:23

Some input from the dead would be useful. Beskar looks pretty suspect, as he was overly emotional in his posts yesterday. And johnhugthom is trying to dodge the spotlight.

So Vote: johnhugthom

Sasaki Kojiro

01-24-2010, 16:58

To be perfectly honest, in a game like this any mafioso can slide by with minimum effort if they really want to. I was wrong to poke fun at TinCow for linking people to me all the time, it's really the only solid way to go. Of course he was starting from a faulty assumption.

Beskar

01-24-2010, 17:00

How many mafia ppl are left? Just Lamia?

1 unknown powerful Mafia figure recruiter. (titan?)
1 mafia (Lamia - evil god)
1 pro-town (God)
rest town = humans

when two of these die, the other wins. I am guessing due to the last day phrase. However, this could be totally wrong and the game ends with Lamia's death and the 3rd parties. (meaning mafia/3rd party would have to kill us all)

Also Psycho, I wasn't overemotional, that is normal. Look at YLC's game for instance when I kept saying about my confirmed townie status (which I was). I tend to stress my point in frustration, as I was trying to tell the town that YLC was the threat that needed to be lynched, and he voted me and falsely accusing me of mafia and some people actually bought the lies of the scum.

Double A

01-24-2010, 18:46

Since my two choices are between a random vote, and someone who was suggested by dead people...

Crap.

Thermal

01-24-2010, 19:42

vote: sigurd

Yeah he is kinda quiet... :juggle2:

Andres

01-24-2010, 20:53

Sigurd is usually quiet until the end game :shrug:

Sigurd

01-24-2010, 21:12

Joooray

01-24-2010, 22:52

My money is also rather on john than on Sigurd, at this time at least. So Vote: johnhughtom.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-25-2010, 02:26

Sigurd is usually quiet until the end game :shrug:

Especially when mafia.

Some part of me wants to not let go of the YLC - Tincow issue.

YLC specifically named you Beskar as the remaining Mafioso. Then something happened... which resulted in the deaths of both TinCow and YLC. Then the person I voted for dies.

I have been thinking about YLC and the games he has played. Has he ever blatantly lied about powers and investigation results? I am hard pressed to think that he has. He is not the kind of player that would create a massive fake role for himself. I believe him when he says he has you down as a major role Beskar. Now the question is: what is you role?

Personally I believe that the snake woman will die with you Beskar and the game will end.

vote: Beskar

Not addressing any of the votes on him is typical cagey Sigurd response. Little good would come of it and it just lends a bit of credence. As townie he is more likely to defend himself.

I don't buy his argument here either, he ignores the part where TinCow strongly accused YLC.

Double A

01-25-2010, 02:36

:shrug:

vote: Sigurd

Beskar

01-25-2010, 08:53

Some part of me wants to not let go of the YLC - Tincow issue.

YLC specifically named you Beskar as the remaining Mafioso. Then something happened... which resulted in the deaths of both TinCow and YLC. Then the person I voted for dies.

I have been thinking about YLC and the games he has played. Has he ever blatantly lied about powers and investigation results? I am hard pressed to think that he has. He is not the kind of player that would create a massive fake role for himself. I believe him when he says he has you down as a major role Beskar. Now the question is: what is you role?

Personally I believe that the snake woman will die with you Beskar and the game will end.

vote: Beskar

I don't buy his argument here either, he ignores the part where TinCow strongly accused YLC.

While Sasaki makes a good point, you Sigurd, also forget where YLC was actually a Mafia, and he killed the towns pro-town role (TinCow). You also forget that YLC was named me as "mafia" before in games where I have accused him (such as futurama mafia, he said an investigator revealed me as Mafia then, when I was pro-town).

The fact he was Mafia, accused by the town and the Pro-town TinCow. If he was what he says he is, wouldn't he have done the bodyswap with me, killed me off, and allow his master to win? If I was a mafia, I would have been a far greater threat to his master, as I would be able to night-kill him. The reason he said it was to try to stop himself getting lynched, and if he did, to get me lynched so a lynch isn't used against his master.

All in all, the argument you used is pretty invalid, due to the facts YLC has done this scenario before to prevent himself being lynched, the fact the pro-town said YLC was indeed scum (pro-town never said I was, as an "investigator" would have contacted him as well), the fact is, if I was scum, YLC would have used his day-kill on myself, and not the pro-town, etc.

Over-all, it is pretty scummy you come and attack me, trying to use the "evidence" of a proven game scum who was trying to prevent himself being lynched. I be honest, I wasn't sure you was even the mafia to vote for you, I am not mystic meg and know all the answers, however, turning around and just saying this just made you jump onto my scumdar.

Sigurd

01-25-2010, 09:02

Not addressing any of the votes on him is typical cagey Sigurd response. Little good would come of it and it just lends a bit of credence. As townie he is more likely to defend himself.

I don't buy his argument here either, he ignores the part where TinCow strongly accused YLC.

My lynch is inconsequential. I am addressing an issue that should not just be buried in a lot of let's lynch someone who lurks. Yes we are entering the endgame and mafia games tend to be more interesting at this stage.

And this "this is how Sigurd usually plays" is a load of manure droppings. The game where I lurked to victory were special. I was bad guy in three concurrent games. Yes that's right - three games that ran at the same time. I had to play differently in each of them. They were the Scourge of Ephesus, Whispers at Night and Chicago Soiree. (The first who won as a bad guy in three concurrent games.)

This is not WIFOM but stating the facts. Facts that you have been twisting all game Sasaki. Besides... you were lynched. Why should we take anything you say at face value.

I firmly believe Beskar is the last Mafioso. I can't state it more clear than that and will add a wager on top. I bet any of you here that Beskar is the snake woman of last night's results. The loser will have to publicly admit they are a sucker.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 09:15

and Sigurd completely intentionally ignores the argument which shows him up.

You guys really to get a better argument than "Beskar is teh mafia!" to survive all the time.

Sigurd

01-25-2010, 09:26

While Sasaki makes a good point, you Sigurd, also forget where YLC was actually a Mafia, and he killed the towns pro-town role (TinCow). You also forget that YLC was named me as "mafia" before in games where I have accused him (such as futurama mafia, he said an investigator revealed me as Mafia then, when I was pro-town).

Yes... I was a bit unsure about that. I can't personally recollect that YLC would fabricate results, but then again, I haven't played all the games in the gameroom.

The fact he was Mafia, accused by the town and the Pro-town TinCow. If he was what he says he is, wouldn't he have done the bodyswap with me, killed me off, and allow his master to win? If I was a mafia, I would have been a far greater threat to his master, as I would be able to night-kill him. The reason he said it was to try to stop himself getting lynched, and if he did, to get me lynched so a lynch isn't used against his master.

I doubt we fully understand what happened there. Somehow TinCow came to the knowledge of some game-breaking information and had to be removed from the game together with YLC, who in fact was very confident at your guilt and then later voted himself for some "behind the scene" reason.

All in all, the argument you used is pretty invalid, due to the facts YLC has done this scenario before to prevent himself being lynched, the fact the pro-town said YLC was indeed scum (pro-town never said I was, as an "investigator" would have contacted him as well), the fact is, if I was scum, YLC would have used his day-kill on myself, and not the pro-town, etc.

Again... assumptions.
My take on that event was that TinCow could not continue in the game and was removed. I doubt it was YLC's last act of defiance.

Over-all, it is pretty scummy you come and attack me, trying to use the "evidence" of a proven game scum who was trying to prevent himself being lynched. I be honest, I wasn't sure you was even the mafia to vote for you, I am not mystic meg and know all the answers, however, turning around and just saying this just made you jump onto my scumdar.

Let's say that YLC's allegations that there is an investigator in this game might not be too far fetched. Why no more people are not voting for you is beyond me.

Again, snake woman - you are the one we should vote for.

Andres

01-25-2010, 09:33

For what it's worth, I think TinCows' dead has more to do with the sportsmanship thingy then YLC being mafia and taking one down when lynched, which would be very unusual.

This probably means that the information provided by YLC was correct, but obtained through a rule violation.

Well, I could reveal the investigator's actual results, but I am not sure Khaan would allow that. Suffice it to say - you rank higher, based upon how results are given, then any protown role, yet lower then neutrals, such as me. All those who fall into your power bandwidth are capable of killing, meaning your Lamia.

The following people had roles that the investigator is aware of -

Atheotes
Beskar
Chaotix
Diamondeye
TinCow
Yaropolk
YLC

The following do not have a power role, and are alive

Double A
pevergreen
Andres

Also, TC knows of all the investigation results, as I shared them with him, and he confirm. It's not my fault none of you will believe, you'll only have to blame it upon yourselves.

Of all the people with "power roles", only Beskar is still alive.

Maybe Sigurd is indeed on to something. Sasaki, why do you ignore the fact that there are very good reasons to lynch Beskar, namely an investigation result?

johnhughtom can wait, Beskar is a better option.

Unvote : johnhughtom; Vote : Beskar

Beskar

01-25-2010, 09:40

I doubt we fully understand what happened there. Somehow TinCow came to the knowledge of some game-breaking information and had to be removed from the game together with YLC, who in fact was very confident at your guilt and then later voted himself for some "behind the scene" reason.

Again... assumptions.
My take on that event was that TinCow could not continue in the game and was removed. I doubt it was YLC's last act of defiance.

Anyway, continuing on, there is the fact there are currently 2 Mafia in the game, and not one. So even hypotheoticially, your argument is correct, the game would still not end with the death of Lamia. Though, from what I know, these two Mafia are on a seperate team and most likely, these two Mafia are trying to kill eachother off as they are the biggest threat to eachother. One mafia is the one who recruits people, as you saw in a write-up a couple of days ago, the other mafia, as you all know is Lamia.

Sasaki, why do you ignore the fact that there are very good reasons to lynch Beskar, namely a FALSE investigation result?

The change makes it self-explanatory.

Andres

01-25-2010, 09:51

The change makes it self-explanatory.

False?

Why would YLC offer himself up for a lynching because he broke the rules?

Why did TinCow die during YLC's lynch scene while there was no reason for him to be WoG'ed, and all that right after he mentioned something about a general Gameroom rule being broken?

Because of posting made up fake investigation results? Very, very unlikely.

Those investigation results must be genuine.

How those results got into the thread may be questionable, but they're here, available and I don't see a reason to question those investigation results.

Now, if you were a pro-town power role, you could already have pm'ed me and I would have let this rest and turn to someone else. You didn't. You claimed the results were false. I'm inclined to believe that you do so, because you're not on the towns' side.

My vote stays where it is.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 09:57

How those results got into the thread may be questionable, but they're here, available and I don't see a reason to question those investigation results.

Now, if you were a pro-town power role, you could already have pm'ed me and I would have let this rest and turn to someone else. You didn't. You claimed the results were false. I'm inclined to believe that you do so, because you're not on the towns' side.

My vote stays where it is.

Investigation result was before YLC voted himself and before TinCow said YLC was scum.
Timing makes all the difference. :juggle2: The rule violation and sportmanship issues came after the arguments when YLC was trying to survive. When YLC gave himself up, he dropped all the arguments and the issues.

Also, if I was a pro-town role, why would I PM you? That is scummy in itself. Only some one scummy would try to lie out about being a pro-town role to cover themselves, infact, it is far easier for me to claim pro-town role using the results. However, I believe in the truth, you should know this already from YLC's other game. I claimed using the results in the town I was a confirmed townie when I was, even then, people seemed to magically not believe it. So don't blame me when I think you are just after an easy lynch, as you said in your quicktopic in that game.

Andres

01-25-2010, 10:06

Investigation result was before YLC voted himself and before TinCow said YLC was scum.
Timing makes all the difference. :juggle2: The rule violation and sportmanship issues came after the arguments when YLC was trying to survive. When YLC gave himself up, he dropped all the arguments and the issues.

Also, if I was a pro-town role, why would I PM you? That is scummy in itself. Only some one scummy would try to lie out about being a pro-town role to cover themselves, infact, it is far easier for me to claim pro-town role using the results. However, I believe in the truth, you should know this already from YLC's other game. I claimed using the results in the town I was a confirmed townie when I was, even then, people seemed to magically not believe it. So don't blame me when I think you are just after an easy lynch, as you said in your quicktopic in that game.

Attack is the best defense, hm?

Why are you trying to discredit me by stating that I'm going for an easy lynch?

Voting Sigurd now and next round johnhughtom without much comment would be far easier if that would be what I'm after.

My viewpoint is valid, your viewpoint is less valid; there's no need for you to add a few lines in an attempt at throwing suspicion at me.

You're starting to smell fishy.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 10:14

Attack is the best defense, hm?

Sasaki taught me that in the early days, as I used to defend myself, but for some reason, that was classed as more scummy and got my constantly lynched as a townie. :2thumbsup:

Andres

01-25-2010, 10:46

Sasaki taught me that in the early days, as I used to defend myself, but for some reason, that was classed as more scummy and got my constantly lynched as a townie. :2thumbsup:

I suggest we change that pattern and make sure that in this game, it gets you lynched as a mafioso...

Joooray

01-25-2010, 12:27

johnhughtom can wait, Beskar is a better option.

Unvote : johnhughtom; Vote : Beskar

I second that motion. So Unvote : johnhughtom ; Vote: Beskar.

I strongly urge everybody who is town to change there vote from Sigurd, he is has been cleared of being Lamia by TC in a previous night. I can not assure you that Beskar is indeed mafia, but Sigurd most likely is not.

Joooray

01-25-2010, 12:30

Oh I forgot my tally:

Sigurd: 4 (Beskar, johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury, Double A)
Beskar: 3 (Sigurd, Andres, Joooray)
Johnhughthom: 1 (Psychonaut)

pevergreen

01-25-2010, 13:01

Vote: Beskar

naut

01-25-2010, 16:38

Hmmm. Beskar tweeked me last round. I'm inclined to change my vote. Just to clear up all this TinCow-YLC-Beskar business and allow the game to progress.

Unvote; Vote: Beskar

I'm still slightly torn though. To Beskar or not to Beskar. That is the question.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-25-2010, 16:38

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

A1_Unit

01-25-2010, 16:42

vote:A1_Unit What?!?! I'm not dead yet! I order you to lynch or kill me!!!!

Beskar

01-25-2010, 16:47

Yeah, like imaginary business for the game to process, which magically wasn't here earlier untill this scum bandwagon started by Sigurd. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, game isn't ending with my death.

naut

01-25-2010, 16:52

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

Some input from the dead would be useful.
:beam:

Yeah, like imaginary business for the game to process, which magically wasn't here earlier untill this scum bandwagon started by Sigurd. :rolleyes:
Uh... actually three days ago you tweeked my gut:

Some input from the dead would be useful. Beskar looks pretty suspect, as he was overly emotional in his posts yesterday. And johnhugthom is trying to dodge the spotlight.

Just a quick note. Beskar is very emotional in his posts either defending himself, or attacking YLC. He is rather eager to shift the focus from himself to YLC. It may be nothing, it may be something. But, it sends out some bad joo-joo.

:shrug:

Beskar

01-25-2010, 16:54

Uh... actually three days ago you tweeked my gut:

:shrug:

Can't blame bad reasoning which has been defuted many times before, even in the game before which ended. But hey, good game Mafia. :juggle2: With a cheap tactic like that, you are bound to win.

Ask Andres, he even said it as a Mafia in YLC's game. The "Play Beskar as Scum-card", it always works.

TinCow

01-25-2010, 16:56

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

Psychonaut is not Lamia. I cannot comment on whether he is a role beyond that, but he is definitely not Lamia. YLC targeted him on a night when Lamia was active, and Lamia did not appear in an illusion.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 17:03

Psychonaut is not Lamia. I cannot comment on whether he is a role beyond that, but he is definitely not Lamia. YLC targeted him on a night when Lamia was active, and Lamia did not appear in an illusion.

So he is the other Mafia then? Better than a townie (me) getting lynched.

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Psychonaut

TinCow

01-25-2010, 17:10

So he is the other Mafia then?

All I said was that he was not Lamia. That was conclusively established by YLC before he got recruited. I have no evidence that can be discussed regarding the identity of any mafioso role beyond Lamia.

Andres

01-25-2010, 17:47

So he is the other Mafia then? Better than a townie (me) getting lynched.

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Psychonaut

You're quick to jump to conclusions, aren't you?

TinCow only said that Psychonaut is not Lamia. And what's this talk about "the other Mafia"? Do you know something we don't?

:inquisitive:

Thermal

01-25-2010, 17:55

unvote
vote: psychonaut

Sasaki Kojiro

01-25-2010, 18:04

Do we still have to lynch hades?

Beskar

01-25-2010, 18:57

You're quick to jump to conclusions, aren't you?

TinCow only said that Psychonaut is not Lamia. And what's this talk about "the other Mafia"? Do you know something we don't?

:inquisitive:

No, but I am actually paying attention to the game and I am getting lynched while you are flying blind. To quote TinCow:

That was conclusively established by YLC before he got recruited.

Aka, YLC was recruited, which occured a couple of days ago, if you remember. The recruiter in the write-up was saying he was warring with both the good gods (which would be Garuka, most likely) and the bad gods (which is Laima) to destroy them both, and the humans (normal town).

As I said earlier, there is a 3 way battle between Garuka, Laima and this super evil overlord which I guessed might be a Titan in Greek Mythology or something different. Whatever it is, it is a big threat to the town.

The game will end when two of these roles die. Which I said previously.

TinCow has shared some of the information with me int he course of the game. Hence why I know about Garuka, which was the doctor protecting him. (I might have spelt that name wrong, forgive me).

These are things I said before, then funnily enough, I give out this information to head the town, and I end up with a bandwagon on me. Do you think that is more than a coindence? No, I am being silenced since I am a threat.

As for the whole YLC-TinCow thing, the third link isn't "Beskar", I don't who it is, but it is the person "the other mafia" which is a threat.

This theory hasn't been confirmed, but YLC was working closely with TinCow, untill he got recruited by this other mafia. YLC, being very angry over this, told TinCow who it was, for TinCow to deal with. For obvious reasons, this is within the rules, but very unsportmanship. The idea was for TinCow to reveal who this mafia is so they get lynched, and hopefully YLC gets freed of his control. This is why YLC ended up quitting and why TinCow acted weird.

Through gut instinct, I suspected YLC was the converted which is why I voted for him, as it was clear he was a "neutral" and on the day TinCow revealed YLC. That night, he gets magically converted, hence why I put 1+1 together. Then YLC tried to prevent his lynch by putting a case against me, and luckily failed and as the scum he became, he was luckily lynched for the sake of the town.

As for TinCow's post, I read that as possibly meaning Psychonaut is "the other mafia". TinCow never said "Sigurd isn't Lamia" or "Johnhughthom isn't Lamia", as if there was a valid investigation result, he would actually know who Lamia is, thus can reveal. However, he doesn't, but he does know who "isn't Lamia" if they are the other possible role.

Thus...

See?

Double A

01-25-2010, 19:04

unvote, vote: Beskar

I'm going to have to reread all that, but Beskar seems more guilty right now. Maybe that'll chance after reviewing all that.

Andres

01-25-2010, 19:04

EDIT: @Beskar

Lynching you won't silence you :shrug:

I could be wrong and I'll apologise after the game if it turns out you were a townie, but I have no reason to doubt the investigation results posted. You claim townie, which is impossible considering those results.

You're the most obvious choice to lynch today as you are a known power role, still alive and your counterclaim is impossible.

To be honest: whatever you say won't make me change my mind.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 19:10

You're the most obvious choice to lynch today as you are a known power role, still alive and your counterclaim is impossible.

Yet the fundamental point still remains: It wasn't a real investigation.

In the words of the pro-town:

I have no evidence that can be discussed regarding the identity of any mafioso role beyond Lamia.

TinCow can REVEAL Lamia
Thus, if I was Lamia, all TinCow has to say is "Beskar is Lamia".

Seriously, it is not even funny. Why wouldn't TinCow know these magical pro-town investigation results?

Anyway, updated that earlier post.

Double A

01-25-2010, 19:15

Beskar

01-25-2010, 19:22

After reading the last page or so I have come to the following conclusion:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/mad0259.gif

Calm down Beskar! Jez you're acting like lynching you will bring on the freaking nuclear apocalypse!

You're either the doctor or mafia, and there's a 2/3 chance you're anti-town so my vote stays, for now.

No, I am annoyed at peoples.... "inability".

I always get annoyed when this happens, see Creeping Darkness where YLC reveals I am a confirmed innocent townie and I almost got lynched. I was furious then as well.

Since I am dead anyway, I will leave you with this, though it would most likely go unheeded and people will fail miserably.

If anyone claims investigator, lynch them, lynch them and don't doubt it. That is your Mafia.

Sigurd

01-25-2010, 20:05

As I said earlier, there is a 3 way battle between Garuka, Laima and this super evil overlord which I guessed might be a Titan in Greek Mythology or something different. Whatever it is, it is a big threat to the town.

Wait... So you have information that there are presently 3 power roles left?

This theory hasn't been confirmed, but YLC was working closely with TinCow, untill he got recruited by this other mafia. YLC, being very angry over this, told TinCow who it was, for TinCow to deal with. For obvious reasons, this is within the rules, but very unsportmanship. The idea was for TinCow to reveal who this mafia is so they get lynched, and hopefully YLC gets freed of his control. This is why YLC ended up quitting and why TinCow acted weird.

Through gut instinct, I suspected YLC was the converted which is why I voted for him, as it was clear he was a "neutral" and on the day TinCow revealed YLC. That night, he gets magically converted, hence why I put 1+1 together. Then YLC tried to prevent his lynch by putting a case against me, and luckily failed and as the scum he became, he was luckily lynched for the sake of the town.

As for TinCow's post, I read that as possibly meaning Psychonaut is "the other mafia". TinCow never said "Sigurd isn't Lamia" or "Johnhughthom isn't Lamia", as if there was a valid investigation result, he would actually know who Lamia is, thus can reveal. However, he doesn't, but he does know who "isn't Lamia" if they are the other possible role.
Right so YLC - TinCow - w&f wasn't all involved in the conversion thing?
But if you aren't the snake woman - then who are you?
TinCow shared info with you -Why? It implies a role for him to trust you.
You are about to be lynched. Lay all your cards on the table.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-25-2010, 20:20

After reading the last page or so I have come to the following conclusion:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/mad0259.gif

Calm down Beskar! Jez you're acting like lynching you will bring on the freaking nuclear apocalypse!

You're either the doctor or mafia, and there's a 2/3 chance you're anti-town so my vote stays, for now.

But this is exactly what we need more of, vigorous argument. You can't catch the mafioso when everyone just drops in and says "Vote:so and so because I find them to be most suspicious right now". It's kind of boring too.

TinCow

01-25-2010, 20:23

I am unfortunately somewhat limited in my ability to comment on the speculation about what I know or don't know. Some information I cannot comment on because it has to do with the sportsmanship issue, some of it is due to the fact that I am dead and cannot discuss my own night results. I will do my best to clarify anything that is not impacted by either of those limitations, however there is relatively little that I can say that is new simply because I made a point of publicly posting the vast majority of the information I had while I was still alive.

My interactions with Beskar are discussed here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2416555&postcount=834). The information we discussed was related to atheotes. I did not have any substantial conversations with him beyond that.

Be assured, if I feel like Garuda is in danger of being lynched I will let the town know it. Don't worry about accidentally lynching him, I'll make sure that doesn't happen.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 20:27

My interactions with Beskar are discussed here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2416555&postcount=834). The information we discussed was related to atheotes. I did not have any substantial conversations with him beyond that.

Which is where me and TinCow worked together and exposed atheotes who was posing as an investigator, who was actually a mafia in disguise. So I played a big part of exposing and getting rid of a false investigator, then I am ironically lynched due to false investigation results.

The irony is unbearably amusing.

But this is exactly what we need more of, vigorous argument. You can't catch the mafioso when everyone just drops in and says "Vote:so and so because I find them to be most suspicious right now". It's kind of boring too.

Unfortunately, you can't make sheep bark. My lynch will be the death of the town.

seireikhaan

01-25-2010, 20:58

I'm giving the round another 24 hours. Mondays suck for me, and people were slow off the bat to get discussing.

Chaotix

01-25-2010, 21:05

vote:A1_Unit What?!?! I'm not dead yet! I order you to lynch or kill me!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, A1 has done this for the past few rounds, and it's allowed him to draw relatively little attention and keep a low profile, not to imagine have a convincing WIFOM defense.

The town seems to be set on lynching Beskar this round. Next round, though, I urge you all to take a closer look into A1's actions, and perhaps even take him up on his offer.

Beskar

01-25-2010, 22:11

Beskar

01-25-2010, 22:13

Unneeded WIFOM defense:
unvote; vote: A1_Unit

Andres

01-25-2010, 23:08

If I'm not mistaken, A1 has done this for the past few rounds, and it's allowed him to draw relatively little attention and keep a low profile, not to imagine have a convincing WIFOM defense.

The town seems to be set on lynching Beskar this round. Next round, though, I urge you all to take a closer look into A1's actions, and perhaps even take him up on his offer.

I think he's just being funny :shrug:

Joooray

01-26-2010, 01:16

I think he's just being funny :shrug:
Well, funny can get you killed sometimes. :yes:

Double A

01-26-2010, 01:18

Well, funny can get you killed sometimes. :yes:

This is why I don't play on Mafiascum anymore.

Chaotix

01-26-2010, 02:01

I think he's just being funny :shrug:

If I were mafia, I would use the humor as a defense.

If you don't act seriously, people don't take you as seriously, and you're less likely to be lynched as a serious target (seriously).

It's sort of like the effect that keeps Beefy, or Reenk, or pevergreen from being lynched most of the time. No offense intended to any of them, of course. I enjoy their humor! :laugh4:

Beskar

01-26-2010, 02:46

If I were mafia, I would use the humor as a defense.

If you don't act seriously, people don't take you as seriously, and you're less likely to be lynched as a serious target (seriously).

It's sort of like the effect that keeps Beefy, or Reenk, or pevergreen from being lynched most of the time. No offense intended to any of them, of course. I enjoy their humor! :laugh4:

Makes, sense. I try to contribute to the game and hunt the mafia down. Because of this seriousness, I die, while those who do nothing are just fodder for Mafia victory.

I will do that next just. Just completely afk and vote every blue moon.

pevergreen

01-26-2010, 03:14

It's sort of like the effect that keeps Beefy, or Reenk, or pevergreen from being lynched most of the time. No offense intended to any of them, of course. I enjoy their humor! :laugh4:

We're an elite group, theres no doubt about it.

I miss reenk though. :cry:

edit: props for the lower case p in my name as well. :2thumbsup:

Double A

01-26-2010, 03:16

Are we allowed to spell it pEVERGREEN?

Beskar

01-26-2010, 03:38

Are we allowed to spell it pEVERGREEN?

Only if you want to be inimately involved with him.

pevergreen

01-26-2010, 03:55

Are we allowed to spell it pEVERGREEN?

...

naut

01-26-2010, 03:56

Double A

01-26-2010, 04:02

...

please don't hurt me

Beskar

01-26-2010, 10:52

Well, I am definitely dead. A huge mistake is being made, but nevermind. Good luck to the rest of you.

Andres

01-26-2010, 11:30

Apart from the investigation thing (which in itself is enough for me), based on this round, Beskar is the best lynch option.

I am going to roll my dice with the ghosts. Bag us a Mafia.

vote: Sigurd

Didn't put much effort in that one. Is just going with the flow. He does try to make a decent case later on, but only after being called out and being put under pressure himself, he found it necessary to formulate reasons for voting Sigurd.

So he is the other Mafia then? Better than a townie (me) getting lynched.

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Psychonaut

When it seems like the Sigurd bandwagon doesn't work, he jumps to Psychonaut. For what reason? TinCow saying Pscyhonaut is not Lamia? Beskars' conclusion that this automatically means Pscychonaut is "the other Mafia" doesn't make any sense. What "other mafia"? How does he know? Wasn't he "just a townie"? The way he phrases it, suggests he knows more than the ordinary townie. Or he's just planting a seed. The occasional skim reader will probably notice something about there being another mafia and Psychonaut being a likely candidate. Cunning. And scummy.

He sounds as if he's just trying to get votes switched to Psychonaut, while he doesn't provide reasons for voting him. This is not actively helping and trying to find mafia, this is blatanly saving your skin without actually caring about who gets lynched.

Unneeded WIFOM defense:
unvote; vote: A1_Unit

The pattern continues. Another dead one calls out a player, this time A1_Unit and Beskar jumps on it. He doesn't make a case himself. He just waits and sees and tries to jump on some other lynch target.

All of this makes it pretty clear that Beskar doesn't care about finding mafia, he only cares about his own survival. And allthough wanting to survive in itself is not bad, the way Beskar is clearly obsessed with it and the lack of effort in formulating reasons to vote someone makes him look pretty scummy. I'm as good as certain that Beskar is scum and I strongly suggest some extra votes on him to make sure some late minute vote switch doesn't save him (as it is now, Beskar only has 3 or 4 votes on him; not enough to make sure he goes).

Beskar

01-26-2010, 12:34

Apart from the investigation thing (which in itself is enough for me), based on this round

Because using false investigation results by a mafia in a game with no investigators is the obviously logical thing to do.

Didn't put much effort in that one. Is just going with the flow. He does try to make a decent case later on, but only after being called out and being put under pressure himself, he found it necessary to formulate reasons for voting Sigurd.

This is called "not knowing Sigurd is mafia or not". I just went with the ghosts as they seemed they knew he was a mafia or not.

What "other mafia"? How does he know? Wasn't he "just a townie"? The way he phrases it, suggests he knows more than the ordinary townie. Or he's just planting a seed. The occasional skim reader will probably notice something about there being another mafia and Psychonaut being a likely candidate. Cunning. And scummy.

Because it was said in a write-up by Khaan and the fact they recruited? Are you trying to hide these facts by trying to say they are lies when they are not?

This is not actively helping and trying to find mafia, this is blatanly saving your skin without actually caring about who gets lynched.

No it isn't. It is being open and seeing the game, as I don't have a particular choice myself.

The pattern continues. Another dead one calls out a player, this time A1_Unit and Beskar jumps on it. He doesn't make a case himself. He just waits and sees and tries to jump on some other lynch target.

Because it was a good point.

All of this makes it pretty clear that Beskar doesn't care about finding mafia, he only cares about his own survival.

Says the bandwagoner using balantly false information. My suspect of Psychonaut was far less scummy than your vote. If I was a mafia, I would be doing exactly what you are doing.

Andres

01-26-2010, 13:05

Because using false investigation results by a mafia in a game with no investigators is the obviously logical thing to do.

As I said, I don't think they're false.

The strange dead of TinCow in the write-up indicates the results were genuine but weren't supposed to be made public.

You're not a townie, Beskar.

This is called "not knowing Sigurd is mafia or not". I just went with the ghosts as they seemed they knew he was a mafia or not.

That's not what you said when you made that vote.

Because it was said in a write-up by Khaan and the fact they recruited? Are you trying to hide these facts by trying to say they are lies when they are not?

- How does TinCow saying that Psychonaut is not Lamia automatically mean he is "the other mafia"? That makes no sense.

- How are you so certain about the recruit being mafia? To me, you give the impression to know more. But you're a townie. Doesn't match.

No it isn't. It is being open and seeing the game, as I don't have a particular choice myself.

So, you don't mind about who is getting lynched, as long as it isn't you?

The fact that you don't have a particular choice yourself, could be due to the fact that you're scum. Mafia don't need to find mafia. They're not motivated to find scum in the thread. Mafia tend to focus more on the night action and day action is just something to survive. It comes automatically; as a mafioso you're usually not aware of it.

You're not actively seeking scum, you just follow others.

Because it was a good point.

It's the pattern that's interesting. You jump from one suspect to another, attempting to get someone else lynched as long as it isn't you.

You're here to save your skin, not to actively find scum.

Says the bandwagoner using balantly false information. My suspect of Psychonaut was far less scummy than your vote. If I was a mafia, I would be doing exactly what you are doing.

Nice second attempt at trying to discredit me.

I'm not being a bandwagoner; I'm a bloodhound and I won't let you go until you're name is on the lynched players list, no matter how many times you yell "scum" at me.

Beskar

01-26-2010, 13:21

The strange dead of TinCow in the write-up indicates the results were genuine but weren't supposed to be made public.

No, it isn't. I already said why.

- How does TinCow saying that Psychonaut is not Lamia automatically mean he is "the other mafia"? That makes no sense.

No, if he knows "he is not lamia", it implies he knows who Psychonaut is. The "other mafia" which YLC worked with, was a possible candidate as TinCow knows who that is.

- How are you so certain about the recruit being mafia? To me, you give the impression to know more. But you're a townie. Doesn't match.

Because it was in the write-up! Seriously, are you purposely keep on ignoring it? How many times do I have to say "It is in the write-up" for it to actually stick. In the write-up, there were two. The Master and the recruited. We know YLC was one of them, the recruited most likely. The master is still alive and a threat. As the write-up says, they want to destroy the gods, humans and mafia.

So, you don't mind about who is getting lynched, as long as it isn't you?

I know I am innocent, therefore, it is statistically possible another lynch than me is a mafia. Your comment is pretty silly.

The fact that you don't have a particular choice yourself, could be due to the fact that you're scum. Mafia don't need to find mafia. They're not motivated to find scum in the thread. Mafia tend to focus more on the night action and day action is just something to survive. It comes automatically; as a mafioso you're usually not aware of it.

Since two mafia are on different teams, if I was a mafia, I very do have another target to kill. As a town, I have both of these mafia to kill. Either way, I don't know who they are, and trying to work it out. I am very motivated to find scum and from my posts that is balantly obvious, opposed to those two word bandwagoners. So you defeated yourself with your own argument.

You're not actively seeking scum, you just follow others.

Not at all. I think the two word contributions of some members take that award.

I'm not being a bandwagoner; I'm a bloodhound and I won't let you go until you're name is on the lynched players list, no matter how many times you yell "scum" at me.

So you want to kill a town that badly? or the alternative that this is a mafia game trying to get mafia, not personal vendetta lynching.

Andres

01-26-2010, 13:37

So you want to kill a town that badly?

I say you're scum, you say you aren't in such a way that now I'm even more convinced you're scum. I want you lynched.

or the alternative that this is a mafia game trying to get mafia.

Is that a confession, Beskar?

, not personal vendetta lynching

To avoid all misunderstandings: I sincerely think you're mafia; it's nothing personal :bow:

Beskar

01-26-2010, 13:49

Is that a confession, Beskar?

No, it was meant to mean "this is a mafia game where you get mafia.." combined with the later sentence of "not a personal vendetta".

To avoid all misunderstandings: I sincerely think you're mafia; it's nothing personal :bow:

:cry: :cry: :cry: I thought you stopped loving me. It broke my heart.

Though, being honest, you might think I am mafia, however, your reasons you said why you think that are completely wrong. Just to let you know :bow:. I urge you to consider what I actually been saying as it wasn't false. Being the godfather yourself and our intimate relation together in YLC's game, you should know that I don't use lies. Quoted from yourself:

I don't know what Beskar is playing at, but thus far, his information has always been correct.

So when I say things like "I am not Lamia", it is 100% correct, I am not Lamia. :shrug: There is no lie there. Unless some how the 'saying the truth' = scummy, you pretty much have nothing to hold me on. The things I said have been true. At the end of the game, I can still mantain the fact the main things I been saying are infact correct.

The biggest fact the town needs to realise, there is no pro-town investigator in this game. There are only 3 roles left. A doctor, "Lamia" and the big bad Mafia master. The doctor is pro-town, the other two are Mafia. At any point, there has not been an investigator. Anyone who claims to be an investigator or attempts to is infact Mafia. If they ever reveal, say it in the town at once and get them lynched. They are not your friend, there are your worst enemy.

As for the YLC-TinCow stuff. My theory is, which seems correct, is that YLC was recruited by the big bad Mafia. YLC has told TinCow this. As this is a Mafia saying the identity of the Mafia, TinCow thought this was unsportmanship. The "investigation results" were a ruse, by YLC earlier, they are not correct. YLC later unvoted and voted himself, as he was pretty done for an he pretty much felt guilty about doing the whole scenario with TinCow. However, the person who recruited YLC, and infact this big bad master mafia overlord whatever, is still in the game. However, they are currently in a very weak state and there have been suggestions there was other apprentices.

(Also, I am not this big bad mafia overlord thingiebobie)

seireikhaan

01-27-2010, 07:38

My apologies, got caught up today. Phase is over, but I need z's real bad. Writeup asap tomorrow.

Beskar

01-27-2010, 22:44

Reason 'khaan kept delaying it was because this conversation between me and Andres gave him the giggles and he enjoyed the arguments between us too much.

You know it is true!

In other news, Andres is ze mafia!!!!1111elevenoneone

Askthepizzaguy

01-27-2010, 23:03

I am the mafia.

I've decided to remain dead just so you'd all waste your time lynching each other. Now, I shall resurrect myself and win teh game.

seireikhaan

01-28-2010, 01:41

Another disappearance the previous night confirmed the suspicions of the encampment's leadership. Governor-General Yasei had no need to motivate the camp. The vast decrease in losses told them victory was surely close at hand. As with last time, the scribe needed no help keeping track of the accusations. Debate grew heated as all were convinced they were correct in identifying what was assumed to be the last threat to the camp. When all was done, the accusation against Beskar proved most persuasive- he had garnered half of the voting encampment against him.

He moved slowly to the front, accompanied by two guards, a black cloak covering most. "Kneel before me," Yasei commanded. Beskar nodded his head, but did not kneel. The two guards grabbed at his arms, one extending a boot into Beskar's back to try and force a kneel. When Beskar merely slid forward a bit, all were a bit puzzled. Yasei raised an eyebrow. "Take off your cloak," he commanded. With a flourish, Beskar twisted out of the guards' grasp, and flung the cloak into the air. There was a slight gasp when it was realized that Beskar was, in fact, a woman. Beskar immediately charge Yasei while the guards were still stunned, extending clawed hands. Yasei bent backwards at his knees to avoid the slash, and then keeled to his right into a haphazard roll to avoid being flat out tackled by his aggressor. Beskar bumped into the wall at Yasei's back, but quickly recovered and twisted for another attack.

"You despicable scum!" Beskar shrieked. "I will have my revenge!" Beskar took another lunge at the Governor-General, who took a dive to his right again to avoid the claws. Beskar, however, had the advantage of a body which needn't leave the floor to attack. Yasei was forced into a sprint into the crowd. Some attempted to block the way and were tossed by Beskar, while others dove out of the way. While it bought him time, it also led him to the corner of the room. Beskar advanced more slowly now, bobbing right and left, judging possible actions by Yasei. Yasei stood in the corner, no longer fleeing.

"First you kill my poor children, my innocent children!" Beskar screamed. "Then, you slay my comrades in arms! If my existence is to end here, then so shall yours. I WILL HAVE REVENGE!"

"'Tis not I who slew your children. 'Tis not I who ordered you and your comrades to come here. 'Tis only the fault of those you obey. 'Tis the fault of you, and your comrades who foolishly obey the corrupted leadership of the Netherworld. 'Tis not you who shall have revenge here today. It shall be I." Governor-General Yasei's hands began to shimmer with a dark blue flame.

"How... HOW DARE YOU?" Beskar cried out. "How dare you compare your loss to mine? You know nothing of loss! NOTHING!" With that last breath, Beskar charged Yasei, who stood confident. Before a claw could reach him, Beskar felt an icy strike in her back. One of Yasei's guards had rammed a great sword straight into Beskar's lower back, striking with such force that the blade not only went through Beskar completely, but even struck the ground below and remained embedded. Beskar turned and tugged slightly to get free, but that gave Yasei all the room he needed. He pulled his right hand back, and delivered a fist straight into Beskar, the blue flame searing, opening the way for the knuckles. The fist exploded through Beskar's chest, much like the sword. Yasei ripped it backwards, and delivered a southpaw hook at Beskar's face. Beskar swayed for a half second, then dropped. Yasei stepped around, an asked the second guard to retrieve his personal sword. The guard returned quickly with the glowing blade, and Yasei returned to his weakened foe. He crouched down, to talk to Beskar, face to face.

"So, then. I take it you are the last one? The last that accursed Arch Demon sent?"

Beskar spat in Yasei's face. "I may be the last one sent by my dear Lord, but you are fool if you think you're safe. I know you felt it as did I. You felt the aura of power emanate from the mountain. I know not what you fools awakened.... But it will doom you all! And when it kills you all... my lord shall retake what is rightfully ours. I just.... just.... so close to vengeance. FORGIVE ME, LORD! FORGIVE ME, CHILDREN!"

Yasei stood up. He shook his head slightly at the sad creature. He gripped the blade, and ended Beskar with a clean slice to the neck. He was glad... and weary. He knew what Beskar claimed was true. He had felt the aura of power awaken. Someone, something was still out there... but at least one task was complete, for the time being....

Tally:

Beskar 6 (Double APsychonaut, pevergreen, Sigurd, Andres, Joooray)
Sigurd 3 (Beskar, johnhughthom)
A1_Unit 2 (A1_Unit, Beskar)
Psychonaut 1 (Thermal Mercury)

Alive: 11

A1_Unit
Andres
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury

Slain: 19

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)

Lynched: 8

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)

Wrath of Khaan: 2

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)

PLEASE SEND ORDERS ASAP. I WANT THIS PHASE TO LAST 24 HOURS IF POSSIBLE.

Chaotix

01-28-2010, 02:08

Well, unless that was a very risky ploy, I think we can clear Andres.

I am still wondering where along the way the other ones got killed. Sasaki, probably. GH I cannot be sure about, and that still leaves one more...

pevergreen

01-28-2010, 02:21

We need to crack down on lurkers.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-28-2010, 02:22

Crack down on lurkers :laugh4:

pevergreen

01-28-2010, 02:34

I've got 31 posts? (32 posts in this now)

How?!?!?!

Sasaki Kojiro

01-28-2010, 07:23

There's too many lurkers. At this point we have to go with lynching the odd one out, and voting andres.

naut

01-28-2010, 08:34

I guess that's bye bye Lamia.

This:

I know you felt it as did I. You felt the aura of power emanate from the mountain. I know not what you fools awakened.... But it will doom you all!
Could it be Mount Olympus? Has a Greek god been sent down?

Andres

01-28-2010, 09:31

There's too many lurkers. At this point we have to go with lynching the odd one out, and voting andres.

Not happy about the lynching of Beskar?

Beskar

01-28-2010, 14:22

Andres

01-28-2010, 15:47

If you noticed, the game isn't over yet and it is said about about the power you awakened. I wasn't lying. :rolleyes:

Don't clear Andres just yet, think about it, I am was the only one who was revealing this information, and he tried to shut me up.

Three words: nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.

I have stated and repeated my reasons for voting you. The write-up indicates I was right about you: you were scum. Now, be a good dead mafioso and stay silent. I've played the confirmed dead mafioso trying to confuse the town role on several occasions.

From my experience, I can tell you : Beskar = to be ignored until the final write-up.

Enjoy being dead, evil one ~:wave:
.

Beskar

01-28-2010, 15:50

Andres

01-28-2010, 15:53

You would love to ignore me, even though all I said was actually true, which is even reflected in this write-up, how you kept dismissing this "other mafia" yet the game has still not ended and they are roaming about.

Food for thought.

Blahblahblah. I didn't dismiss anything. You're scum, town needed to lynch you and now you're lynched. Mission accomplished.

Beskar

01-28-2010, 15:54

Blahblahblah. I didn't dismiss anything. You're scum, town needed to lynch you and now you're lynched. Mission accomplished.

Showing your true colours now? :laugh4:

Diamondeye

01-28-2010, 16:07

Well, drat. We played a nice game, though, Beskar. Let's see if they catch Andres the other mafia that easily.

Beskar

01-28-2010, 16:13

Well, drat. We played a nice game, though, Beskar. Let's see if they catch Andres the other mafia that easily.

Yeah, I got unluckly with the false investigation results. Maybe if I didn't bother replying to YLC, they wouldn't have posted them. I thought actually posting the truth about the situation would save me, but looks like the big bad one wanted to silence me to prevent me from killing him myself personally.

Askthepizzaguy

01-28-2010, 16:17

Oooh, fresh meat.

*Eats Beskar*

TinCow

01-28-2010, 16:18

Yeah, I got unluckly with the false investigation results. Maybe if I didn't bother replying to YLC, they wouldn't have posted them. I thought actually posting the truth about the situation would save me, but looks like the big bad one wanted to silence me to prevent me from killing him myself personally.

If the results were false, how did they accurately ID both you and Diamondeye?

Andres

01-28-2010, 16:19

Showing your true colours now? :laugh4:

Yep.

Town colors. For all your cool factor and flashiness, you mafiosi are always the same: scumbags wanting to kill innocents.

Who're the flashy ones now, hm?

Indeed: the townies!

The write-up makes it clear that you were definitely scum. We'll see if there's "another Mafia" or "greater evil" and if there is, then we'll get him/them as well. For now, I only see a mafioso trying to confuse us. Carry on. It's fun and entertaining, but in the end, I'll take the liberty of ignoring your ramblings, since you, my friend, are a VERY VERY DEAD SCUMBAG.

Beskar

01-28-2010, 16:26

The write-up makes it clear that you were definitely scum. We'll see if there's "another Mafia" or "greater evil" and if there is, then we'll get him/them as well. For now, I only see a mafioso trying to confuse us. Carry on. It's fun and entertaining, but in the end, I'll take the liberty of ignoring your ramblings, since you, my friend, are a VERY VERY DEAD SCUMBAG.

You are dangerously getting close to that line, my friend. :no:

seireikhaan

01-29-2010, 07:49

I'm sorry again, folks. I'll have the writeup posted in about 9 hours or so when I've had some z's and finished my classes for the day.

Diamondeye

01-29-2010, 09:15

Apologies for the language, GH. I had no idea that "damn" would be over the line.

Askthepizzaguy

01-29-2010, 09:15

Well censor it please! :laugh4:

seireikhaan

01-29-2010, 17:59

Thermal Mercury wasn't quite sure how to react to the last session of the council. On the one hand, it ought to be rightly rejoiced that those of the Netherworld were finished. Yet, the Governor-General had not refuted those final claims. That there was still something malevolent that need be put down. If that was true, why didn't he give some kind of reassurance? Or some kind of help as to what this thing might be?

He snapped out of thought when he saw someone turning around the corner. They had a gnarled piece of wood that was substituting as a staff in their right hand. In the left hand was a long sword. Thermal Mercury immediately drew his own sword from its sheath and stood at guard. His 'guest' stopped a a distance of roughly ten yards away from him, staring intently.

"Lay down your arms," the guest spoke in a deep, calm voice. "If you stand against me, you stand against the Great Lord as well. This would not.... be in your best interests."

"I do not bow to you, or your lord!" Thermal Mercury spat back.

"That is... a pity." A deep red aura began to seep from the guest's skin. His skin began to blacken, his eyes glowing a piercing red. Thermal Mercury startled for a second, but recomposed and charged the intruder. He brought an overhand swing down with all his might. In a flash, the intruder dropped its own sword, raised his left hand, and grabbed Thermal Mercury's blade in mid-swing. A faint trickle of blood streamed down from the hand.

"YOU DO NOT KNOW MY POWER, FOOL." A booming, otherworldly voice came from the intruder. "FOR MY LORD HAS ACKNOWLEDGED ME AS THE ONE. I AM HIS VESSEL, AND HE MY SAVIOR. TOGETHER, WE SHALL END THIS CHAOS, AND ASSERT THE TRUE AUTHORITY OVER ALL THE REALMS. NOW, YOU SHALL BOW. AND THEN, YOU SHALL PERISH."

The intruder kicked Thermal Mercury in the gut, then ripped the sword from his hand and tossed it. A swift, overhand clubbing followed with the staff, rending Thermal Mercury unto the ground. When he struggled to try and get up, he felt a searing pain in his knee. He lifted his head just enough to see the ruby beams coming from the finger tips of the intruder, aimed at his legs. Thermal Mercury screamed in pain when the beams intensified, and scorched a line completely through the knees, severing lower from upper leg.

"THERE, THERE... WAS THAT SO DIFFICULT? JUST A SMALL ADMISSION OF MY LORD'S SUPERIORITY! 'TIS A PITY YOU FELT SO DEFIANT EARLIER. AH WELL. THERE ARE MORE...." And with that, it turned the beams onto the back of Thermal Mercury's head....

Alive: 10

A1_Unit
Andres
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd

Slain: 20

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)

Lynched: 8

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)

Wrath of Khaan: 2

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)

THIS DAY PHASE WILL LAST EXACTLY 36 HOURS

Beskar

01-29-2010, 18:22

Funny, it seems I was right. The Write-up even sounds like Andres, even including the broken caps lock key.

TinCow

01-29-2010, 19:06

Funny, it seems I was right. The Write-up even sounds like Andres, even including the broken caps lock key.

You're saying 'khaan isn't doing his own write-ups?

Beskar

01-29-2010, 19:14

You're saying 'khaan isn't doing his own write-ups?

No, I think he does it based on how some one has acted within the game. Rather like how Andres did in Swords in the Moon with me.

As for the results, as I said earlier, there is no pro-town investigator. You noticed it was when YLC went to the bad-side, he magically got these results? It is because it isn't a pro-town investigator handed them to him, it was because YLC got those results from the bad guys.

Why was Andres so certain of those results? He tried to use them for his own credibility. Also notice how Andres kept trying to shut me up everytime I mentioned the fact they weren't from a pro-town and my claims there was a different mafia out there?

The reason was, Andres was trying to silence me. The things I said were true. As I said earlier in the last round, there is 1 pro-town, 1 big bad person, and 1 mafia. You know from my death, that the mafia went, you know from this rounds kill, that the "big bad person" is in the game.

If I survived, I was going to kill Andres, as the big bad was more of a threat than the town. Since I am dead, I have no chance of winning, however, I got a chance of getting revenge on the "big bad person" for ruining my victory, so I am going to ruin theirs.

Diamondeye

01-29-2010, 19:17

It probably doesn't help but as Beskar's mafia partner, I can confirm that he was indeed the last person on our team. Two of us were killed by CCRunner, Beskar was lynched, and the last of us was killed by a third party. Go figure

Askthepizzaguy

01-29-2010, 19:26

Not sure that kind of info should is allowed to be revealed post mortem

Diamondeye

01-29-2010, 19:28

Not sure that kind of info should is allowed to be revealed post mortem

Why not? It's not quoting PMs or anything, and it has to be taken at face value. I could belying through my teeth.

Please tell me if I am going strictly against an established code of laws.

Beskar

01-29-2010, 19:30

Why not? It's not quoting PMs or anything, and it has to be taken at face value. I could belying through my teeth.

Please tell me if I am going strictly against an established code of laws.

The dead cannot reveal anything, including previous night actions.

Unless it has already been revealed, which I did before I died. :beam:

Askthepizzaguy

01-29-2010, 19:32

Alrighty; generally its just that people who are dead cant reveal new information.

That's usually the rule. I'd err on the side of caution unless it was already known by all.

Diamondeye

01-30-2010, 01:55

I knew that information such as role PMs cannot be revealed post mortem... But saying something like what I just did can't possibly be wrong? For all know, it could just be me distracting attention from my mafia partner Andres someone by telling lies to the town?

Joooray

01-30-2010, 15:17

I think we can safely assume that we now see a second mafia group active that acts independently from the first one. Thus the real questions right now are: Do we have one or two anti-town active at this point, i.e. was the recruitment we've seen activated by a trigger or is the recruiter also amongst the people left? And who is it?

Unfortunately, there is not much we can go with at the moment, the two write ups that included the new mafia do not reveal anything in my opinion. The only thing I can think of at the moment is lynching a lurker and looking at the post count, scottishranger has only 5 posts so far. Since the search function is not working at the moment, I can't check when he made his last post, but I'm wondering if he shouldn't have been WoG'ed already, which might indicate an activity outside of the thread. :shrug:
Until someone comes up with a better suggestion, I'll Vote: scottishranger.

naut

01-30-2010, 15:40

A1_Unit - Votes himself?

Andres - Did us all a massive favour last round with an unrelenting accusation of Beskar.

Double A - No opinion on him.

johnhugthom - Done enough to dodge the spotlight.

Jooray - Strange tone this round.

Kralizec - Done enough to dodge the spotlight.

pevergreen - Done enough to dodge the spotlight.

Psychonaut - Not for me to decide what y'all think of me.

scottishranger - Lurk, lurk.

Sigurd - Ranged from in the forefront, to in the background within single rounds.

I have no strong instincts this round, If anything I'd vote for johnhugthom for last rounds gut instinct or Jooray for picking on WoG bait scottishranger/tone of post.

A1_Unit

01-30-2010, 16:20

vote:A1_Unit Vote for me now!

Joooray

01-30-2010, 16:56

Jooray - Strange tone this round.

Psychonaut - Not for me to decide what y'all think of me.

I have no strong instincts this round, If anything I'd vote for johnhugthom for last rounds gut instinct or Jooray for picking on WoG bait scottishranger/tone of post.

Sorry if you find my tone strange, just wanted to contribute to the discussion within my abilities.

I have no special opinion about you myself, apart that you also have 'done enough to dodge the spotlight'. :wink:

If scottish is indeed WoG bait, then I am all for going after somebody else, but as I said I couldn't find out when his last post was in order to see if he should have already been WoGed or not. If the former, then this might indicate an activity outside of the thread, or? :shrug:

And A1 is seriously annoying me, as I can't make out, what he is trying to do there. :inquisitive: I don't think 'khaan would include a joker role in his games and if he is indeed mafia, this would be a very lame way to keep people from voting for him. Then again he could be obliged by his role to act this way, or is just plain messing with us. :no:

Thermal

01-30-2010, 17:33

Why did it have to hurt so much? :cry:

Sigurd

01-30-2010, 23:48

Maybe more pressure on scotty is in order? vote: scottishranger. I would also like to hear what Andres thinks...

pevergreen

01-31-2010, 02:37

pevergreen - Done enough to dodge the spotlight.

Score!

naut

01-31-2010, 03:52

vote: A1_Unit

Alright if you say so.

GeneralHankerchief

01-31-2010, 05:15

I'd like some more pressure on Sigurd as well.

johnhughthom

01-31-2010, 10:07

Vote: Sigurd

Joooray

01-31-2010, 12:39

So it seems the round is already over, right? And we have a tie between scottish and A1.
scottishranger: 2 (Joooray, Sigurd)
A1_unit: 2 (A1_unit, Psychonaut)
Sigurd: 1 (johnhughtom)

Half the votes are missing, thats not good at all, considering that there should be more townies than mafia at the moment. We can not afford to loose all these day phases, guy, so get on voting!! :no:

naut

01-31-2010, 12:55

johnhughthom

01-31-2010, 12:58

Well technically I believe johnhughtom's vote doesn't count as it was outside the deadline by 5 hours? 'khaan could we get an extension? So a 48 instead of 36 hour round, meaning we have 4-5 hours left?

Indeed, I was about to change my vote then realised the original may not even count.

Unvote, Vote scottishranger if allowed, to break tie.

seireikhaan

01-31-2010, 19:03

On account of the abysmal turnout, I'm extending the phase 24 hours. Get on it. :whip:

Chaotix

01-31-2010, 23:33

Come on, guys, just think about this.

Scottishranger is going to get the WoK pretty soon, so unless he shows up, leave him alone.

Go for someone who is actually posting enough to avoid the WoK. I would suggest A1 Unit (and he would as well... :inquisitive:), but there are other suspicious ones as well. Something about the Psychonaut-CCRunner conversation is fishy, but I can't tell which one it is.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-31-2010, 23:44

I think we should lynch sigurd. He was cleared of being the weird woman, but isn't that who beskar turned out to be? I don't remember.

pevergreen

02-01-2010, 09:32

Vote: sigurd

:beam:

Andres

02-01-2010, 10:22

Sorry, I was out of town from Friday morning 'til yesterday evening.

Vote : A1_unit

Kralizec

02-01-2010, 18:38

Vote: Sigurd

Double A

02-01-2010, 20:16

vote: Steak sauce

Seems like the best choice.

Joooray

02-01-2010, 21:42

I think the phase has already ended, but I'll try to change my vote to A1 anyway. Scottish really seems like WoKbait.
So Unvote ; Vote: A1_unit.

seireikhaan

02-02-2010, 04:05

With another no longer amongst their presence, it was with great concern that Governor-General Yasei observed the encampment's procedure. Gone was the fervor of earlier. Those left seemed either exhausted, or else content. Discussion was nearly nil for the entire time, even despite Yasei locking the inhabitants in for an extension to try in desperation to force debate. Still, all seemed to lack the intiative or drive to root out the last of the threats to the camp. When all was done, A1_Unit had garnered the most declarations of deceit. Most strangely, the vote which put him over his near "competitors" came from himself. Yasei did not even bother asking at this point what could cause him to wish for his own demise. Instead, he settled for a quick, clean decapitation. As the body fell down, he was nudged, once more, by his scribe. Yasei rolled his eyes in disbelief. Still some refused cooperation. He handed the sword back to a guard, and approached scottishranger, who had been silent for far too long. Scottish glared insolently at his commander, and was about to utter a retort when Yasei drove a hand into his gut. Flame lit the digits and wrist, smoldering scottishranger's insides. Finally, to vent frustration at the day's events, Yasei stepped out of the doors to the chamber, and shot put scottishranger's body clear up to the mountain plateau. With a mix of frustration and anxiety, Yasei dismissed the camp once more....

Alive: 8

Andres
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sigurd

Slain: 20

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)

Lynched: 9

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)

Wrath of Khaan: 3

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)

A1_Unit 4 (Joooray, Andres, Psychonaut, A1_Unit)
Scottishranger 2 (johnhughthom, Sigurd)
Sigurd 2 (Kralizec, pevergreen)

PLEASE GIVE ORDERS WITHIN 24 HOURS IF POSSIBLE

naut

02-02-2010, 04:22

Finally, to vent frustration at the day's events, Yasei stepped out of the doors to the chamber, and shot put scottishranger's body clear up to the mountain plateau
:laugh4:

A1_Unit

02-03-2010, 16:54

Excellent, my thanks for finally voting me.:bow: I was afraid I was going to have to PM everybody who I thought was a SK and ask them to help.

Joooray

02-03-2010, 17:58

Excellent, my thanks for finally voting me.:bow: I was afraid I was going to have to PM everybody who I thought was a SK and ask them to help.

So, why did you want to get killed?? Or will we see that in the write-up of this night? :inquisitive:

Andres

02-03-2010, 20:36

So, why did you want to get killed?? Or will we see that in the write-up of this night? :inquisitive:

Ah, you're finally here. Could you be so kind to send in your kill orders so that we can lynch you and end this game, please?

Joooray

02-03-2010, 23:17

Ah, you're finally here. Could you be so kind to send in your kill orders so that we can lynch you and end this game, please?

I was here all the time, you must have overlooked me. Maybe you were too busy running around killing people, eh?

seireikhaan

02-04-2010, 03:57

The corner position was not one Kralizec was pleased with. Guarding against three directions- left, right, straight ahead. Only all the more ways to get attacked. Rather than adopting a true patrol route, he settled for shuffling his feet on the spot. He fiddled with his fingers for a bit, then decided to hum himself a tune to distract from his worry. The tune wasn't loud enough to overshadow the sound of footsteps. Kralizec turned around to discover a man standing on the other side of the fence.

"Not a terribly effective guard, are you?" He asked. "Letting me on the inside like this? This cannot stand- my lord needs skilled help, not buffoons!"

Kralizec sputtered for a second. The intruder took it as an opportunity. He held a staff aloft in his right hand. A brilliant red light radiated from the end. The fence melted in front Kralizec, and the light shone through him, piercing his chest. It halted once in, and the light concentrated into the gaping wound. Kralizec gasped in pain, dropping to his knees. Then, from inside, the light radiated once more pierced through flesh in every direction, shredding the entire upper torso into nothing, leaving only a pair of legs twitching on the ground in a bloody mess.

Alive: 7

Andres
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sigurd

Slain: 21

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)
Kralizec (N9)

Lynched: 9

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)

Wrath of Khaan: 3

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)

GIVING THIS PHASE 36 HOURS.

Kralizec

02-04-2010, 12:56

:sad:

pevergreen

02-04-2010, 13:43

Vote: Andes

naut

02-04-2010, 13:48

I was moderately suspicious of Kralizec. So this makes my decision easier. Vote: Jooray

pevergreen

02-04-2010, 13:48

You next boi.

Andres

02-04-2010, 14:05

Anyone figured out a way to get all post from a certain user in a single thread? It's pretty annoying to do a reread on someone without that feature.

I'd like to hear more from johnhughtom...

Vote: Andes

I was moderately suspicious of Kralizec. So this makes my decision easier. Vote: Jooray

Please, elaborate.

johnhughthom

02-04-2010, 14:35

I'd like to hear more from johnhughtom...

Righto, Vote: Sigurd

pevergreen

02-04-2010, 14:45

Please, elaborate.

Nah, I'm good.

on the note of that all for one person thing.

Up the top: Search this thread, then advanced search. Put the persons username in and away you go.

Andres

02-04-2010, 15:01

Up the top: Search this thread, then advanced search. Put the persons username in and away you go.

Yeah, I know that, but it doesn't work.

In fact, I want to do a reread on you and I only get your most recent posts.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-04-2010, 15:54

Sigurd...or Andres.

Askthepizzaguy

02-04-2010, 16:06

Vote: Andes

Would you like a pillow to go with your mint?

mmmm.... chocolate.

Andres

02-04-2010, 16:11

Sigurd...or Andres.

Nice reasoning, great case.

Wonderful!

Sure you're not just some dead scumbag, like Beskar?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-04-2010, 16:25

Nice reasoning, great case.

Wonderful!

Sure you're not just some dead scumbag, like Beskar?

You are being deceitful here, Andres.

Andres

02-04-2010, 16:53

You are being deceitful here, Andres.

Now, what did you expect me to answer to

"Sigurd... or Andres"

That it's a wonderful case, a brilliant post worthy of the Netherworld II MVP award?

Beskar

02-04-2010, 17:25

I already said, the results were from a Mafia role, hence why YLC got the results when he got recruited.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-04-2010, 18:10

Now, what did you expect me to answer to

"Sigurd... or Andres"

That it's a wonderful case, a brilliant post worthy of the Netherworld II MVP award?

No that would go to your "Sure you're not just a dead scumbag?" rebuttal :bounce:

It's a statement of opinion, which I've explained previously. You intent in going out of your way to dismiss it seems less than honorable.

Sigurd

02-04-2010, 20:03

I think I'll vote: pevergreen.

Cleared by YLC when he was supposedly converted. All of those he cleared are still alive. Something is up with that...

Andres

02-04-2010, 21:36

No that would go to your "Sure you're not just a dead scumbag?" rebuttal :bounce:

It's a statement of opinion, which I've explained previously. You intent in going out of your way to dismiss it seems less than honorable.

I'm senile, so I forgot your explanation.

I'm also lazy. The search function doesn't work, so I can't find your posts in which you explained your stance.

You're much younger than me, fit and strong and with good working brains. Could you be so kind to fresh up my memory?

Andres

02-04-2010, 21:58

I went back 8 pages.

A) Double A must change his avatar. It's annoying.

B)

In this post, you're poking fun at TinCow for his connection thing.

Mighty suspicious of Andres. Perhaps he's in on this GH-Sasaki-Chaotix-Winston connection. He didn't want to defend his partner while he was in danger for fear of being tied to him, but he was upset by it and can't resist pointing out the flaws in the case now.

You didn't post more than that you think I should be lynched ergo you didn't explain anything about why I should be lynched.

Your case against me is non-existant.

It's interesting to note how you tried to cast suspicion on Sigurd, Psychonaut and me in the same round Beskar (who turned out to be scum) got lynched.

You said yourself that trying to see connections is the way to go in this game. Well there you have a connection. Between you and a mafia.

C) As for Sigurd:

Especially when mafia.

Not addressing any of the votes on him is typical cagey Sigurd response. Little good would come of it and it just lends a bit of credence. As townie he is more likely to defend himself.

Maybe he didn't bother because there wasn't much pressure on him at the time.

Someone was recruited, and Sigurd's comments about woad being the first to mention it are suspicious, because TinCow mentioned it first and it sounds like the comment of someone who, as mafia, wouldn't bring it up first.

I don't get your point there.

I do remember you were a bit dodgy when I asked how you felt about johnhughtom, so that's where my vote goes.

Unvote ; Vote : johnhughtom

Double A

02-04-2010, 22:10

vote: Sigurd

Sasaki Kojiro

02-04-2010, 22:14

That is such a mafia post Andres.

I'm dead, and many people think I was guilty. I've been limiting myself to popping in and tossing out accusations, explaining them when people insist. I often play this way when dead, see netherworld I.

As the one driving the lynches here I find you suspicious. Sigurd is my top choice though.

I mentioned that reason earlier (something like "only one bothering to vote"), you skipped that in going back to read over the posts, and quote what is obviously sarcasm--since my argument included the claim that I mafia.

You try and dismiss my gut reasons for suspecting sigurd, what's the point of that?

You are building all of your cases off of guilt by association. When I have I ever, as mafia, continued to pop into the thread, named suspects left and right, and defended people? Sometimes you try and create confusion, but the more you name people the more you risk giving something away. You know too much about posting after death as mafia to think that if I was mafia, and "said something weird/defended" someone, that they are then guilty.

Joooray

02-04-2010, 22:25

Chaotix

02-04-2010, 22:39

If you guys don't get the mafia by the end of this round, then lynch Andres. Seriously. The chance that he actually was the other mafia family and sold out his competition is fast increasing the longer he stays alive.

Double A

02-04-2010, 22:43

That makes a lot more sense than listening to Sasaki for a reason I don't know about

unvote, vote: Andres

Beskar

02-04-2010, 23:07

That makes a lot more sense than listening to Sasaki for a reason I don't know about

unvote, vote: Andres

Change your avatar. :smash:

Double A

02-05-2010, 00:23

How's this?

Askthepizzaguy

02-05-2010, 00:36

It looks similar to others, such as Beskar's, though not identical.

I liked your old one.

Sigurd

02-05-2010, 08:47

Alright, in lack of a better target I will Vote: Sigurd. His behavior is a bit off, as far as can say, though I thought he was a better mafia player than to shin a suspicious light like that on himself. :shrug:

I am sorry I haven't been more active... My time here at the org have been limited to moderation and Dark Falls. I haven't a complete grasp of what is going on in this game or the many fractions that are involved.

Obviously there is a culprit left. Beskar mentioned that there were two fractions earlier. A good and a bad, where he and Diamondeye belonged to the bad one... possibly Sasaki as well. He keeps having an interest in this game, which suggests a role.

Frankly I would have expected to be dead by now - but I am alive - which should suggest that the (new?) mafia need a lynch candidate. Sasaki keeps trying to influence the town's lynch choices and a few of you follow. Are you therefore mafia? Not necessarily, but I wonder.

pever has not voted me this round, but has on at least two occasions that I noticed done so. He was on a list that the mafia presented as innocent - together with Andres and Double A.

pevergreen and Double A has voted Andres this round. Double A voted me first and then Andres. undoubtedly following Sasaki's influence.

I owe it to the town and Yaseikhaan to give this at least a minimum effort.
But I can't see that any of you have brought any good theories yourself. Andres has been trying, but I think he is going after the wrong guy.

Beskar more or less told us that there were two fractions left... why? Was he trying to confuse us? Are the last of the mafia dead? Did the good God turn on us? - I don't really know.
Right now I am thinking pever and Double A are trouble - call it a gut feeling.

My vote stays - and I would appreciate if we could at least see what pever would say if his lynch was imminent. He has not been in danger of getting lynched yet and can sit with his feet on the table smiling...

pevergreen

02-05-2010, 08:58

I can, but I aint got a role buddy. Keep fishing.

Me thoughts say andres, rythmic or joooray.

Sigurd

02-05-2010, 09:02

I can, but I aint got a role buddy. Keep fishing.

Me thoughts say andres, rythmic or joooray.
Why not Double A? And why do you think YLC cleared you, Double A and Andres in his "revelation"?

Andres

02-05-2010, 09:26

That is such a mafia post Andres.

No, it isn't.

I'm dead, and many people think I was guilty.

They could be right.

I've been limiting myself to popping in and tossing out accusations, explaining them when people insist. I often play this way when dead, see netherworld I.

I've seen you very silent as a dead mafioso. I've also seen you very active as a dead mafioso. Even dito for a dead townie Sasaki. You have no fixed behaviour. The amount of posts after dead doesn't say anything about Sasaki's guilt or innocence.

So no, your behaviour after dead doesn't clear you.

As the one driving the lynches here I find you suspicious.

Sorry for trying to play. You prefer a boring game with lurkers and phases with 20 posts after 36 hours?

Sigurd is my top choice though.

I disagree.

I mentioned that reason earlier (something like "only one bothering to vote"), you skipped that in going back to read over the posts, and quote what is obviously sarcasm--since my argument included the claim that I mafia.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall reading that.

You try and dismiss my gut reasons for suspecting sigurd, what's the point of that?

Because I think you're wrong and it's not in the towns' interest to lynch a townie.

You are building all of your cases off of guilt by association. When I have I ever, as mafia, continued to pop into the thread, named suspects left and right, and defended people? Sometimes you try and create confusion, but the more you name people the more you risk giving something away. You know too much about posting after death as mafia to think that if I was mafia, and "said something weird/defended" someone, that they are then guilty.

As I said: your behaviour after dead does not clear you.

And your cases are not good. You know as well as me that mafia often have difficulties to build a decent case because they have to fake it.

About the guilt by association thing: that is simply not true. I wanted Beskar lynched because I assumed the detective results posted by YLC meant Beskar was scum. Looking at the write-up of Beskars' lynch scene, it's pretty obvious that I was right.

Andres

02-05-2010, 09:28

I can, but I aint got a role buddy. Keep fishing.

Me thoughts say andres, rythmic or joooray.

It would be nice of you to make a post in which you make a substantial case against me and those other two.

Unless having a 20 post round with mainly one liner posts is your idea of fun...

Sigurd

02-05-2010, 13:00

I have to run into meetings for the rest of the day...

I don't feel we are progressing much. I am not going to lose as a townie two times in a row in this game. We need more discussion - even though I have contributed very little. The deadline is nearing and there are only 7 players left... 3 more rounds of this and mafia will win.

I am going to unvote: pever, vote: Joooray. You wanted more activity. Now you are tied with the rest of us.
What do you think of the so-called cleared players (by YLC?)

TinCow

02-05-2010, 14:03

Interesting...

Sigurd: 2 (johnhughthom, Joooray)
Andres: 2 (pevergreen, Double A)
Joooray: 2 (Psychonaut, Sigurd)
johnhughthom: 1 (Andres)

Joooray

02-05-2010, 14:13

Okay, Sigurd, I can understand that you have other obligation and since do not have anything else going against you, then your behavior I'll unvote; vote: johnhugthom. I'm not sure about this vote either, but I don't think we can be. He is very untalkative and only reacts when being called out.
Furthermore I don't think anybody can be cleared at this point, because a whole new situation has started with the apparent recruitment of one of us. Before that TC and YLC seem to have a list of people, but as far as I know, this was only when it came to people being Lamia and as the write-up and the past development showed Beskar was most definitely Lamia. That does however not clear Andres either, though he did a good job in outing Beskar, because I'm pretty confident that the two mafia groups we have seen so far, are acting independently from each other. That's why, even if Sasaki was mafia, there is no necessity that he is trying to assure a mafia victory with his comments as it could be another mafia group.

Tally:
Joooray: 2 (Psychonaut, Sigurd)
johnhugthom: 2 (Andres, Joooray)
Andres: 2 (pevergreen, Double A)
Sigurd: 1 (johnhugthom

Joooray

02-05-2010, 14:14

Okay, TC bet me to it with the tally, took me some time to write that post. :laugh4:

seireikhaan

02-05-2010, 15:09

Round has 51 minutes left. Standard tie-breaker rule in effect.

Andres

02-05-2010, 15:40

Joooray doesn't strike me as scummy.

I'd cast a third vote on johnhughtom, but my vote is already on him.

pevergreen

02-05-2010, 15:45

Unvote: Andres, Vote: johnhughtom

naut

02-05-2010, 17:33

Joooray doesn't strike me as scummy.
Hmmm. I felt he was last round. But, I agree, this round not so much. Is that a conscious reaction to a bit of pressure being applied?

seireikhaan

02-05-2010, 18:13

The Governor-General scowled as he came back to the main hall, still in a poor mood from having to shot put someone to make a statement. Fortunately, it seemed to have motivated the last member of the encampment to get going. Yet, with more activity came more disagreement. Three members garnered an equal amount of suspicious, and Yasei was pondering whether or not to lop all three of their head's off. He was spared this decision at the last second, however, when a single changed mind resulted in johnhughthom being selected, now with just under half of the camp's support. His mouth hung agape as he was ushered in front of Yasei for execution, unbelieving that his fate had been altered at the last second. Yasei shook his head slightly, wondering if there was any way this feeble one could be what they were after. Nonetheless, he accepted his sword from the guard at his side, and felled johnhughthom with one blow.

The camp was silent as the body was dragged off. Yasei slowly scanned the small, remaining crowd. "Go, then. Keep your watch. And may the elder guide your steps."

Tally:

johnhugthom: 3 (pevergreen, Andres, Joooray)
Joooray: 2 (Psychonaut, Sigurd)
Andres: 2 (pevergreen, Double A)
Sigurd: 1 (johnhugthom)

Alive: 6

Andres
Double A
Jooray
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sigurd

Slain: 21

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)
Kralizec (N9)

Lynched: 10

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)
johnhughthom (D10)

Wrath of Khaan: 3

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)

Diamondeye

02-06-2010, 15:43

Well played, Andres.

seireikhaan

02-06-2010, 20:33

Pevergreen's role had expanded considerably as of late. Originally, his role was to guard section 322b, a four meter long stretch of fence far to the left of the main gate. Now, in lieu of many guards, he was in charge of that entire side of the encampment's fence. For the moment, he was reminiscing on olden times as he had stopped at section 322b during patrol. That old chain of fence, that same patch of infertile ground.... ok, so maybe there wasn't much to reminisce on. He shook his head a bit, and set to continue his patrol. When his right foot was to hit the ground, however, it sank instead into boiling, liquid dirt. Pevergreen yelped in pain. He instinctively attempted to yank it out, but his left foot sank immediately as well. Pevergreen sank to just above his knees in what had essentially become hot tar.

"My lord is not pleased with you," a voice from behind pevergreen proclaimed. "He cannot tolerate the weak or foolish. Look at what weak fools have done.... they war against each other with no purpose, and threaten all three of the worlds." A man circled around the pit to speak to pevergreen face to face. "My needs the strong, the dedicated, the wise. And he had determined that you are.... not these things. To end the squabbles of the world, the strong must show the way to the weak, or else the weak must perish. You still guard the camp of those that would tear asunder the worlds and splinter them even further. Thus, my lord has decreed: you must be extirpated. Now, DIE!" The man's staff and eyes began to glow a deeper, darker red, and his skin began to blacken. He levitated above the ground. He swiped the staff through the air at pevergreen, who flinched, but felt no immediate pain. The ground beneath his feet which had supported him melted further down, and pevergreen plunged further. Within a second, he had fallen completely below the molten earth. The man swiped his staff once more, and the ground hardened once more into its old, barren self.

Alive: 5

Andres
Double A
Jooray
Psychonaut
Sigurd

Slain: 22

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
TinCow (D7)
woad&fangs (N7)
Thermal Mercury (N8)
Kralizec (N9)
pevergreen (N10)

Lynched: 10

Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
YLC (D7)
Beskar (D8)
A1_Unit (D9)
johnhughthom (D10)

Wrath of Khaan: 3

Centurion1 (D6)
A completely inoffensive name (D7)
scottishranger (D9)

THIS ROUND WILL LAST 36 HOURS!

TinCow

02-06-2010, 20:39

I strongly believe that this will be the last chance the town will have to win the game. Get it right this time...

Beskar

02-06-2010, 20:46

It is Andres.

I bet you wish you kept me alive. At least I would have killed the other Mafia.

Sigurd

02-07-2010, 00:31

Well played, Andres.

It is Andres.

I bet you wish you kept me alive. At least I would have killed the other Mafia.
Well played Beskar and Diamondeye?

pever was obviously innocent and you guys knew that. Likewise you knew that the list YLC presented was a genuine list.
pever was killed to frame Andres or Double A and it was not a well executed frame.
Why would Andres kill pever?

You guys have been trying to push the town into lynching myself and Andres since the YLC thing...
Do you think we would ever listen to you after you revealed that you were scum?

No I believe the list presented by YLC is genuine which means Andres and Double A are townies. This also means the last Mafioso is either Joooray or Psychonaut.

Joooray was very careful in the last round and shifted the vote to the one who got lynched. Masterful tactic there...

I think it is the right choice to vote: Joooray I am staking my reputation on it.

Diamondeye

02-07-2010, 00:38

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2010, 00:41

Joooray was very careful in the last round and shifted the vote to the one who got lynched. Masterful tactic there...

I think it is the right choice to vote: Joooray I am staking my reputation on it.

Joooray shifted his vote to johnhughthom, leaving himself tied for first. He could have shifted to andres, putting andres in the lead.

Lynch sigurd please.

Sigurd

02-07-2010, 00:45

I wouldn't stake my reputation on that. Our team of four has died. Now we are just angrily trying to ruin it for those who sent us off to hell. Meaning Andres, most likely. Or you, Sigurd, but I don't honestly think so.
Well, I have been Mafia in several multi-Mafia games. Even though other Mafia groups outwitted us, we were still anti-town and wanted a Mafia faction to win. We even did as you most likely do right now - throw off the townie effort into doom.

I am not buying into your disgruntledness.

[edit]: the multi-quote seems to be stuck..

Sigurd

02-07-2010, 00:50

Joooray shifted his vote to johnhughthom, leaving himself tied for first. He could have shifted to andres, putting andres in the lead.

Lynch sigurd please.
Yes he could have done that... but instead he masterfully shifted the momentum over to johnhugh which would have given him trust with the townies. And now again we see a Mafioso-thrust to get me or Andres lynched... Well? Isn't this the reason we are alive this late in the game?
Getting nervous over my accusations?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2010, 00:59

Yes he could have done that... but instead he masterfully shifted the momentum over to johnhugh which would have given him trust with the townies. And now again we see a Mafioso-thrust to get me or Andres lynched... Well? Isn't this the reason we are alive this late in the game?

It's funny how joooray is the mafia master, and sigurd is the innocent butterfly in this picture you are painting. Oh the colors, they may run, but they are so beautiful. The strokes, up, down, left, right, bold yet serene. Pink and blue, pink and blue, tea for two, me and you.

Getting nervous over my accusations?

Townie sigurd knows me better.

Sigurd

02-07-2010, 01:18

It's funny how joooray is the mafia master, and sigurd is the innocent butterfly in this picture you are painting. Oh the colors, they may run, but they are so beautiful. The strokes, up, down, left, right, bold yet serene. Pink and blue, pink and blue, tea for two, me and you.

Townie sigurd knows me better.
You are not making any sense.
How is townie Sigurd different from Mafia Sigurd? I was in as much danger as Joooray and Andres that round. We were all tied and in danger of getting lynched.
Joooray shifted his vote from me to johnhugh to possibly gain my trust? You know, my initial thought was that Joooray is probably innocent. Then they (you) killed pever - which was a YLC list member. That you have now focused on me again - should be evidence enough that the YLC list is genuine. Andres and Double A are innocent and you want to lynch me this round.

Who are you going to lynch next? You know you need another "victim" next round in order to win... or do you only need to get rid of the power roles?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2010, 01:24

You are not making any sense.
How is townie Sigurd different from Mafia Sigurd?

He doesn't say things he knows aren't true.

Sigurd

02-07-2010, 01:31

He doesn't say things he knows aren't true.
You know what... engaging in lengthy discourses with a probable lynched Mafioso only clutters the thread. You have not addressed the important part of my posts; regarding YLC's list of innocents. It doesn't really matter what you think. I suspect you know it was genuine...

I have staked by bet. I'll leave it to Psychonaut, Andres and Double A to stake theirs.

Beskar

02-07-2010, 01:32

Well played Beskar and Diamondeye?

pever was obviously innocent and you guys knew that. Likewise you knew that the list YLC presented was a genuine list.
pever was killed to frame Andres or Double A and it was not a well executed frame.
Why would Andres kill pever?

Now you just set-off my scumdar. Me and Diamond_eye have nothing absolutely to do with pevergreen's death.

As for that list, I also know the source of that list, it was the other mafia's list, not a pro-town list, which I keep on repeating. YLC was in a different mafia group to me, why else did I want him dead? Since I know the source of that list, I want the person who created it to die, as the game was set, match and won except for the mafia creator of that list who wants me dead.

You guys have been trying to push the town into lynching myself and Andres since the YLC thing...
Do you think we would ever listen to you after you revealed that you were scum?

Funny you say that, i never pushed for your lynching. I only went for the flow. i only called for Andres, since he keeps ramming the list given by a Mafia. So nice lies.

No I believe the list presented by YLC is genuine which means Andres and Double A are townies. This also means the last Mafioso is either Joooray or Psychonaut.

Remember, YLC was a mafia, where is the best way to hide your mafia partner? In the innocents section of a list. You don't need to be an egghead to figure that one out.

If anything, I already lost. I have nothing to gain from opposing the town, especially since the person responsible for my defeat is the other mafia group. I rather see revenge than let them have the satisification of victory.

So all in all, I am actually far more reliable than you. You could be on the other Mafia team with a stake in its victory. Your alliegance is unknown. On the otherhand, I was the last of my kind, who supplied the information on the other mafia to the town, when the almighty Andres, and now yourself, are attempting to discredit.

So who to believe? A possible Mafia seeking victory, or a Mafia who has already lost, seeking revenge against the other Mafia? Only reason you would attempt to discredit me is that you are on the other mafia team. :wave:

Chaotix

02-07-2010, 05:54

Andres and Sigurd are mafia partners.

One of them is the god-like recruiter who cannot actually kill anyone; the other one is the actual killer. The inconsistencies that the both of them are continuing to play up, as they both cover each other's backs and move from one innocent townie to the next, has removed any doubt in my mind. If you want to win this game, then I highly suggest you lynch one of them this round and the other one the next.

Do not listen to their words; the cases they provide do not add up, and it is just manipulative language.

Also, if the dead scum truly would like to see their rivals die, I would suggest they be quiet, as their advocation is hardly considered to be reliable.

Double A

02-07-2010, 06:53

I've lost total track of this game. Is King Garaguda still alive?

Diamondeye

02-07-2010, 16:07

Andres and Sigurd are mafia partners

This.

naut

02-07-2010, 16:18

Andres and Sigurd are mafia partners.

One of them is the god-like recruiter who cannot actually kill anyone; the other one is the actual killer.
Except, looking at the write-ups, there has only been one player recruited --- YLC.

And from the write-ups, the recruiter matches the killer. Same red person, same talking style, etc.

Sigurd

02-07-2010, 16:23

With the known Mafia trying to meddle in the town's business once more, I feel a bit like Double A. It is not clear what we are dealing with...

The Mafia allegations:

they claim there are at least two groups of Mafia
they claim one group consisted of 4 Mafiosi.
they claim YLC got recruited by the second group of Mafia.
they claim there are at least two Mafiosi left in the game - one recruited and one lord.
they claim there is one pro-town power role left in the game.
they claim the "investigations" by YLC are all false and that at least one Mafioso are presented as innocent.

The discrepancies:

If one group consisted of 4 Mafiosi - does the other group also consist of 4 Mafiosi? Balance?
Why haven't we seen any pro-town actions if the last one is still alive?
If YLC was the recruit - how can they claim that both the recruit and the recruiter are still alive?

In my mind all this doesn't add up. I totally understand what Double A is saying. Maybe this pro-town role Beskar claimed is alive - is the recruiter?

I found the YLC claim...

Well, I could reveal the investigator's actual results, but I am not sure Khaan would allow that. Suffice it to say - you rank higher, based upon how results are given, then any protown role, yet lower then neutrals, such as me. All those who fall into your power bandwidth are capable of killing, meaning your Lamia.

The following people had roles that the investigator is aware of -

Atheotes
Beskar
Chaotix
Diamondeye
TinCow
Yaropolk
YLC

The following do not have a power role, and are alive

Double A
pevergreen
Andres

Also, TC knows of all the investigation results, as I shared them with him, and he confirm. It's not my fault none of you will believe, you'll only have to blame it upon yourselves.

And Beskar's response:

Diamondeye and Yaropolk had roles? :inquisitive:

Well, I know I didn't have a role, so I can safely say I am not Lamia.

atheotes - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
chaotix - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
tincow - roleblock (everyone knows that)
yourself(YLC) - neutral/sk nexus (everyone knows that)

Looks bogus, just like you. Especially as Khaan doesn't do investigator ones and wouldn't have one in a game with 4 mafia, with a pro-town Vig, Roleblock, Doctor, etc, nevermind the roles such as your "neutral" unkillable.

I have reached the decision that YLC (whatever happened there?) was not supposed to reveal that list.
The Mafia went all haywire over it and has since spun tales over it.

I have taken my chance on the fact that Joooray is this last killer. Whether he is Mafioso or serial killer or pro-town doctor gone bad - I don't know. There is one player killing us one by one out there and the game hasn't ended.

Beskar

02-07-2010, 16:50

The Mafia allegations:
[LIST]
they claim there are at least two groups of Mafia
I put it this way, I was the last 'Mafia', the fact the game has not ended, plus this whole recruiter business and overlord stuff, means there is another mafia.

they claim one group consisted of 4 Mafiosi.
Yes.

they claim YLC got recruited by the second group of Mafia.
Yes

they claim there is one pro-town power role left in the game.
There was on my death. They could have died since. Ask TinCow, the pro-town roleblocker.

they claim the "investigations" by YLC are all false and that at least one Mafioso are presented as innocent.

False, the investigations by YLC come from the other Mafia, not the pro-town. Thus, it isn't reliable.

If one group consisted of 4 Mafiosi - does the other group also consist of 4 Mafiosi? Balance?

Being honest, I am upset with the game over the fact we were all killed off by the other mafia, and only 1 from our group was lynched.

Why haven't we seen any pro-town actions if the last one is still alive?
I don't know their identity, and they are a protector. Who are they protecting? I don't know. Ask TinCow if you want their identity.

If YLC was the recruit - how can they claim that both the recruit and the recruiter are still alive?
I never did, but your actions are scummy.

In my mind all this doesn't add up. I totally understand what Double A is saying. Maybe this pro-town role Beskar claimed is alive - is the recruiter?
You forget that TinCow (Pro-town Roleblocker) also said he is alive. He was TinCow's doctor. If he is still alive, I don't know, you have to again, ask TinCow. If I knew who the pro-town was, I would have killed them myself.

I have reached the decision that YLC (whatever happened there?) was not supposed to reveal that list.
The Mafia went all haywire over it and has since spun tales over it.

Nope, the other Mafia produced the list. I obvoiusly tried to deny it for my own safety as I was accused of being a mafia. The game was rather very unbalanced towards us.

Now, you know some aspects of the list is correct, you now need to remember that the mafia produced this list. I wouldn't trust the "innocents" just because a couple of the names are correct, it was the mafia who supplied the list from the mafia.

Joooray

02-07-2010, 17:55

Why is everybody so sure that YLC was recruited? I still have to see the prove of that, he had a powerful role anyway, thus him killing TinCow when being lynched could be an ability from this role or a balancing act by Yasei, because of the sportsmanship issue. After all the killer we see right now, seems to me to be the one who was recruited. I'm still not sure if the recruiter is even part of the game.
Also, did YLC present this list before or after the recruitment? Because at that point, the situation in the game changed considerably in my mind, even those cleared before, could not be cleared afterwards, because someone changed allegiance there and maybe even the one recruiting could have appeared to be innocent beforehand.
BTW: Just a thought I had while writing this: Anybody ever considered that YLC might have been the recruiter?

When it comes to your accusation, Sigurd, you are right that I deliberately voted for john to not let it seem like if was only saving my own skin by voting for someone tied with me. I could however not anticipate pever changing his vote to john as well and with pever being cleared by being killed, you can not suggest I was in allegiance with him. So basically what you are saying is that there was no way I could have behaved unscummy last round.

I'm very unhappy with the discussion being led by dead people who were accused of being mafia at some point of the game as I'm not sure about their intention. However I'm pretty sure that the original four member mafia group was independent of the one we see right now. I believe the second only emerged when the first was on the verge of being the defeated, with Beskar being the last member left. Unfortunately I'm not sure against whom their revenge is directed, the town for lynching them or the other mafia group for helping getting them lynched. :shrug:

Your behavior this round thus far is seriously tingling my scumdar though, Sigurd, but I let you react to the above before I make my decision.

Joooray

02-07-2010, 18:01

Being honest, I am upset with the game over the fact we were all killed off by the other mafia, and only 1 from our group was lynched.

This is not entirely true if I remember correctly, but I have a hard time remembering all the details at this point, atheotes was killed by CCRunner who was a neutral to pro-town vigilante. :shrug:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2010, 18:02

Oh well, you aren't doing yourself any favors with that joooray, now you look scummy.

TinCow

02-07-2010, 18:06

Why is everybody so sure that YLC was recruited? I still have to see the prove of that

I said before his lynch that I had solid evidence that YLC was the person who had been recruited. I stand by that statement: the person who was recruited in the night action is dead. As far as I am aware, the only scum alive right now is the recruiter.

TinCow

02-07-2010, 18:08

Oh well, you aren't doing yourself any favors with that joooray, now you look scummy.

Hmm... since I really do believe this will be the last lynch round, I feel there's no harm in saying the following:

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b203/TinCow/mafia/joooray.jpg

Chaotix

02-07-2010, 18:11

Then it would make sense that there is probably only one mafia left in this game, not two as I suspected before (having forgotten about YLC, admittedly). Andres and Sigurd are not partners, but I will stand by my accusation that one of them must be the mafia. Think about it this way: the town has had two or three rounds to find this last mafioso. Don't you think, if Andres and Sigurd were both being sincere, that they would have found him so far, with their analysis skills?

Joooray

02-07-2010, 18:14

Oh well, you aren't doing yourself any favors with that joooray, now you look scummy.

Well apparently it is very difficult not to, I just try to defend myself while also giving input for the discussion. But when looking at TC's comment I'm obviously not aware of all the details from the past.

If you are correct, TC, I just gotten really confused, because it makes no sense for the recruiter to go around killing people while always talking about his lord, that just sounds way to much as someone having been recruited. :shrug:

TinCow

02-07-2010, 18:52

If you are correct, TC, I just gotten really confused, because it makes no sense for the recruiter to go around killing people while always talking about his lord, that just sounds way to much as someone having been recruited. :shrug:

Hmmm... well, all I know is that the person shown being recruited in that earlier night action was YLC and he is dead. If someone else has been recruited since then, either I have missed it in the write-ups or 'khaan didn't show the recruitment in the night actions. :shrug:

Beskar

02-07-2010, 19:26

This is not entirely true if I remember correctly, but I have a hard time remembering all the details at this point, atheotes was killed by CCRunner who was a neutral to pro-town vigilante. :shrug:

Still, only one of us was lynched. Pretty imbalanced, especially with the restrictions we had.

Since TC pretty much said Joooray is the other pro-town (doctor),

This leaves the following as possible Mafia:
Andres
Sigurd
Double A
Psychonaut

If the list is 100% correct, it means either Sigurd or Psychonaut is the Mafia.

However, I would like to repeat the following.
The list is from a Mafia.
Andres kept pushing the legitimacy of the list, even though it was a Mafia who posted it - why?

Why? -
I was a Mafia on that list, by me getting lynched, it gave the list creditiblity.
Andres is classed as 'confirmed innocent' on that list. Him pushing for its creditibility gives the illusion he is also innocent.

Therefore:
Andres is the mafia.

If you are petty enough to accuse me of lying when I plainly haven't, lynch Sigurd or Psychonaut.

If you actually take the big hint from me who it is, lynch Andres.

Diamondeye

02-07-2010, 19:28

Andres

02-07-2010, 21:30

For those who doubt I'm innocent (no, not the dead mafiosi who are coming out the woodwork to ruin it for the town... :rolleyes:): as a mafia I would have made a last minute vote switch to Joooray to save my skin in the previous round. I would not have counted on pevergreen coming out of the blue to vote johnhughtom and saving me.

If we're still looking for two mafiosi (and not one), then I'd say pevergreen and Joooray are partners. But that doesn't make sense, as pevergreen got killed last night.

None of the alive players strike me as guilty, so I'll have to re read.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2010, 21:33

There is no earthly reason not to lynch sigurd.

Andres

02-07-2010, 21:38

There is no earthly reason not to lynch sigurd.

There is no earthly reason to assume you have the towns' best interests at heart.

Didn't you find Pscyhonaut scummy a couple of rounds ago? Nobody has really looked into Double A.

If this is our last chance, then I think we need to keep all options open.

Andres

02-07-2010, 21:42

I don't think it's Joooray. He would have either voted me (I had two votes, his vote would have gotten me lynched) or he would have left his vote on Sigurd (less obvious than voting me, but with three people in the tie, including two people who had been under heavy suspicion, his chances of not being the one to get lynched were pretty reasonable).

Beskar

02-07-2010, 21:49

Andres

02-07-2010, 22:19

@Beskar: yes I missed the part where TinCow said Joooray was the protector, because TinCow didin't say that (or else I'm blind and senile). Besides, TinCow is not allowed to confirm to us now that Joooray is "the protector", because TC is dead. Now, please continue being your scummy self holding a grudge and trying to get me lynched because I got you lynched. It will only help my credibility even more and will prevent people from lynching me, a townie.

Anyway, with that dead scumbag out of the way*

OOC: we're cool, don't worry. I hope you're having as much fun as me ~:cheers:

I know I'm innocent.

Joooray is innocent as well, imo, for reasons stated above.

I've been looking for the posts of the other living players on the last 10-15 pages or so.

Double A seems to me his silly self and he doesn't really strike me as guilty. He was also on YLC's list as one of those with no power role. As TinCow said, the recruitment of YLC was narrated by 'khaan. There have been no write-ups about other recruitments, so I think it's safe to say that Double A is innocent: no power role and not recruited.

Based on previous experiences, I don't think it's Sigurd. The fact that some very dubious dead characters (Diamondeye, Beskar, Chaotix) want him dead, pleads for him. If it's him, very well played :bow:

That leaves Psychonaut.

So a neutral with wings and red light who has recruited someone. I'm fairly certain it can't be TinCow. It could be YLC, but he acts completely differently. And I doubt he'd have recruitment ability as well. My gut says:

Vote: Andres

How does he come to that conclusion? There's no logic at all. In fact, his vote for me reads as a non sequitur. Odd.

Just a quick note. Beskar is very emotional in his posts either defending himself, or attacking YLC. He is rather eager to shift the focus from himself to YLC. It may be nothing, it may be something. But, it sends out some bad joo-joo. Not as bad as YLC's crazy role+claims are though. So what I'm saying is Ihaven'tgotacluewhatthehellisgoingon!

Doesn't have a clue but casts suspicon on two players. Also the way he prhases it (highlighted), makes me think scum.

Hmmm. Beskar tweeked me last round. I'm inclined to change my vote. Just to clear up all this TinCow-YLC-Beskar business and allow the game to progress.

Unvote; Vote: Beskar

I'm still slightly torn though. To Beskar or not to Beskar. That is the question.

Can't make up his mind. The reason he gives as for why he "is inclined" to change his vote seems a bit careless. Mafia usually doesn't care about who gets lynched.

Some input from the dead would be useful. Beskar looks pretty suspect, as he was overly emotional in his posts yesterday. And johnhugthom is trying to dodge the spotlight.

So Vote: johnhugthom

Being overly emotional is not a scum tell for Beskar. We all know Beskar and we know he plays with passion (a :bow: for that, btw). His aggressive style and emotions in Swords in the Moon almost got him lynched; he was just a townie there.

Out of the five remaining players, Pscyhonaut seems the only one appearing scummy to me. He's also one of those three who were not on YLC's list.

I strongly suggest switching your votes from Joooray to Psychonaut.

Vote : Psychonaut