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Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 00:55
1) Do you know of a dead pro-town role to use it on? If not, what's even the point of him proving it if it's just exchanging one dead townie for another?
Because he is a potential pro town role and we have other pro town roles who might potentially die.
2) I do not believe GH was a mafioso, it was just a typical erroneous early game lynch.
You can at least admit to being fallible...now which killer do you believe me to be? Either the naga or the corpse killer? I want you to be specific, so that either the mafia prove me innocent or have to make sacrifices not too.
TinCow, you have to admit that your case on Chaotix is simply bad. There are 5 points you laid out.
1) & 2) can be disproven easily, if given a chance.
3) is guilt by association
4) is a coincidence that you find suspicious. You, a claimed pro town role were attacked...there is nothing odd about that. Early on when you claimed you hedged about and it was not clear if you were truly claiming.
5) is the same faulty reasoning you used to get me lynched, which you admitted was mostly gut, and as we know your gut said GH was guilty.
Now, I'm all for granting that Chaotix might be a mafioso with a resurrection ability. If you think so, you are welcome to keep blocking him.
Askthepizzaguy
01-15-2010, 01:03
My, my, getting personal, are we? If you have some issue with me, take it to PM - no need to bring such messy things out in the open like this.
Nothing personal, just an in-game objection to such a terrible move.
And I can't PM anyone about this game. I'm dead. You had something to do with that.
1) & 2) can be disproven easily, if given a chance.
I remember saying very similar things in Netherworld I. In any case, the role is inherently ridiculous. It's an obvious fake.
3) is guilt by association
No, it's guilt because he behaved in an absurd manner defending you. There are plenty of decent ways to find a townie to volunteer to die to save a pro-town role, and that was not one of them. Asking every single person who's about to get lynched to do it is scummy beyond belief.
4) is a coincidence that you find suspicious. You, a claimed pro town role were attacked...there is nothing odd about that. Early on when you claimed you hedged about and it was not clear if you were truly claiming.
Now you're not paying attention, I was attacked on N3. I fully revealed on N2. It was well-known who I was by then.
5) is the same faulty reasoning you used to get me lynched, which you admitted was mostly gut, and as we know your gut said GH was guilty.
It's only faulty reasoning if it's not true. Sometimes a role block will actually work.
pevergreen
01-15-2010, 01:10
'What's going on?' indeed. I didn't understand any of that post.
You have to have been around a while to get most of that. the most recent is peverreenk. The lemur one is before my time and Curse of Kage was an ongoing thing.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 01:12
I remember saying very similar things in Netherworld I. In any case, the role is inherently ridiculous. It's an obvious fake.
What are you arguing here? That it should not be tested? I think you said something about playing it safe earlier didn't you? This is very clearly a poor strategy.
No, it's guilt because he behaved in an absurd manner defending you. There are plenty of decent ways to find a townie to volunteer to die to save a pro-town role, and that was not one of them. Asking every single person who's about to get lynched to do it is scummy beyond belief.
You say it's absurd as town, but don't explain why it wouldn't be absurd as mafia. Why would he throw himself out there to save a doomed partner?
This brings me to another main flaw in my argument. His role claim is inherently ridiculous and an obvious fake and he behaved in an absurd manner. That should lead you to the conclusion that he is not my mafia partner.
Now you're not paying attention, I was attacked on N3. I fully revealed on N2. It was well-known who I was by then.
So you fully revealed and were attacked the next night, therefore chaotix tried to kill you because you gave him the code?
It's only faulty reasoning if it's not true.
No, that's blatantly false. If I reason "this coin will definitely come up heads three times in a row", and it does, my reasoning was still faulty.
You know what, because I am in the mood not to care, and technically, this will only ruin my fun, I'll reveal. I am capable of redirecting abilities to myself, and am immune to night attacks - however, someone still has to die to fulfill the illusion, if I am attacked - it won't be their original target however.
I am the illusions that the Lamia, a Dog-Like creature, and the Perseus rider have all attacked. I've earned the ire of the mafia already,, which would be the Lamia, and I know for a fact that two people capable of killing are Atheotes (Dog-Creature, possibly Anubis) and CCRunner (Mr fancy pants flying horse rider). Chaotix is more then likely Yama, and as you can see, minus the Lamia, that accounts for all killers.
I am sure TC will be able to find out about the Lamia, but as for me, I've wanted to have fun from the beginning, and simply play out my role. Now I can.
Have fun, mafia scum.
Thank you.
Now, why don't we vote for the more-or-less confirmed scum instead of me, who is not scum at all?
I'm not going to be coming back to this thread. I am honestly sick and tired of getting lynched because I have a pro-town role and try to help the town. If you look at what I've been doing, it does not benefit a mafia at all.
If I have been revealing to townies before they die (and indeed I have), then wouldn't that be a case for me not to be mafia? You said it yourself: it only draws attention to me.
Why would a mafioso draw attention to himself by deliberately contacting soon-to-be dead people who have nothing to lose and might reveal me as a last ditch?
Why would I reveal myself at all and take the risk? If I am Yama, then I clearly don't have the power I claim I do. What would be the purpose of contacting them?
Why would I continue to paint a big target on my face in the thread for trying to reason with Sasaki, even after people were voting for me? Why would I even try to reverse that massive bandwagon when it would only fail and draw suspicion to me from the town?
The answer is simple. I needed to figure out who the pro-town roles were, and I needed a list of townies that I could use to revive you, TinCow, in case you died. I wanted to help you.
When I am mafia, I don't go around garnering attention. I lurk, and I shrug off or ignore votes when they come to me. You can go ahead and check out every game that I've been mafia, and I've done the same thing.
But go ahead, lynch your ally. Do whatever you want, TinCow. Because, after tonight, YLC will die, and they will be looking for Garuda to kill, and when they find him, you are next. And there will still be Yama around, laughing in your face once I am dead. And the town will have to find him without you, and definitely without YLC, who has been the town's greatest asset so far, apparently.
I don't think I'm going to post again this round. I might, if I get myself worked up again. But I'm annoyed, and I don't want to argue a losing bandwagon any more. Let me know if I somehow survive, won't you?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 01:18
I don't know if I buy YLC's claim or the specific accusations. But can we at least get a counter bandwagon on atheotes?
Because my vote was invalid in the last post.
Vote: atheotes
Winston Hughes
01-15-2010, 01:20
You have to have been around a while to get most of that. the most recent is peverreenk. The lemur one is before my time and Curse of Kage was an ongoing thing.
That's nice, but the part I found most difficult to understand was the part where you voted to lynch me.
pevergreen
01-15-2010, 01:20
I don't know if I buy YLC's claim or the specific accusations. But can we at least get a counter bandwagon on atheotes?
I'm happy on top on Winston.
johnhughthom
01-15-2010, 01:24
So Winston tell me, you have some kind of special role that keeps you from voting for anybody else but john? And what happens if he actually dies? Or are you just really cranky?
I think he took my unexplained vote for him in the first round to heart.
@CCRunner
Just what is your role? Who are you?
@atheotes
What is your role? Who are you?
Winston Hughes
01-15-2010, 01:32
I think he took my unexplained vote for him in the first round to heart.
It's true. I can hardly contain my rage at the sheer injustice of it. Does not a man deserve to know the nature of the crimes of which he is accused? I demand explanation!
johnhughthom
01-15-2010, 01:33
It's true. I can hardly contain my rage at the sheer injustice of it. Does not a man deserve to know the nature of the crimes of which he is accused? I demand explanation!
Honestly, I voted for you because I like your name. I realise that is a terrible crime and beg understanding and forgiveness (not papal forgiveness, the real thing).
What are you arguing here? That it should not be tested? I think you said something about playing it safe earlier didn't you? This is very clearly a poor strategy.
Based on his behavior and his role claim, lynching him IS playing it safe. The risk is leaving him alive.
You say it's absurd as town, but don't explain why it wouldn't be absurd as mafia. Why would he throw himself out there to save a doomed partner?
Bad play. It happens.
his brings me to another main flaw in my argument. His role claim is inherently ridiculous and an obvious fake and he behaved in an absurd manner. That should lead you to the conclusion that he is not my mafia partner.
Why? Because you partners never make mistakes?
So you fully revealed and were attacked the next night, therefore chaotix tried to kill you because you gave him the code?
Nope, I was just pointing out that you were creating arguments for the sake of arguing, without basing them on the facts. The entire reason you're arguing here is just to create doubt with wordiness.
No, that's blatantly false. If I reason "this coin will definitely come up heads three times in a row", and it does, my reasoning was still faulty.
Sorry, Sasaki, a drop in kills due to a roleblock is not faulty reasoning no matter how many times you say it. It may not be the strongest evidence ever, but it's certainly valid in its own right. If that were the only evidence against Chaotix, I wouldn't even have made this case, but the cumulative evidence is very strong.
Askthepizzaguy
01-15-2010, 01:36
Because it's clearly irrelevant and no one besides me is interested in this:
I'll grant that YLC might be a town asset. So let me ask someone who might be more likely to respond, meaning anyone: WHY did he lie to me and suggest he could make me lynch immune? What was the point of that? How does it benefit the team to get me to waste an entire round on myself, thinking I was lynch immune? I could have attracted murders in my direction, too, with a false role claim.
It's a darn good thing I am not worth reviving, that's all I will say. If we win this game, fine... I just want to know why I wasn't even worth giving an explanation to when I was screwed out of my life so badly by a supposedly pro-town character.
But go ahead, lynch your ally. Do whatever you want, TinCow. Because, after tonight, YLC will die, and they will be looking for Garuda to kill, and when they find him, you are next. And there will still be Yama around, laughing in your face once I am dead. And the town will have to find him without you, and definitely without YLC, who has been the town's greatest asset so far, apparently.
YLC claims he can't be killed at night.
Thank you.
Now, why don't we vote for the more-or-less confirmed scum instead of me, who is not scum at all?
I'm not going to be coming back to this thread. I am honestly sick and tired of getting lynched because I have a pro-town role and try to help the town. If you look at what I've been doing, it does not benefit a mafia at all.
If I have been revealing to townies before they die (and indeed I have), then wouldn't that be a case for me not to be mafia? You said it yourself: it only draws attention to me.
Why would a mafioso draw attention to himself by deliberately contacting soon-to-be dead people who have nothing to lose and might reveal me as a last ditch?
Why would I reveal myself at all and take the risk? If I am Yama, then I clearly don't have the power I claim I do. What would be the purpose of contacting them?
Why would I continue to paint a big target on my face in the thread for trying to reason with Sasaki, even after people were voting for me? Why would I even try to reverse that massive bandwagon when it would only fail and draw suspicion to me from the town?
The answer is simple. I needed to figure out who the pro-town roles were, and I needed a list of townies that I could use to revive you, TinCow, in case you died. I wanted to help you.
When I am mafia, I don't go around garnering attention. I lurk, and I shrug off or ignore votes when they come to me. You can go ahead and check out every game that I've been mafia, and I've done the same thing.
But go ahead, lynch your ally. Do whatever you want, TinCow. Because, after tonight, YLC will die, and they will be looking for Garuda to kill, and when they find him, you are next. And there will still be Yama around, laughing in your face once I am dead. And the town will have to find him without you, and definitely without YLC, who has been the town's greatest asset so far, apparently.
I don't think I'm going to post again this round. I might, if I get myself worked up again. But I'm annoyed, and I don't want to argue a losing bandwagon any more. Let me know if I somehow survive, won't you?
That's all well and good, except for the fact I am night kill immune. The only way I am leaving this godforsaken place is if you, as a collective whole, lynch me.
Also, TC is not a killer - I've already checked him, and Seon is clean as well. Me and him have been working together these past few nights. I still believe you are Yama, Chaotix, and will hold you to that by putting you permanently under my shadow until I see fit that you are innocent. Either way, it will be a boon to us, the town.
Because it's clearly irrelevant and no one besides me is interested in this:
I'll grant that YLC might be a town asset. So let me ask someone who might be more likely to respond, meaning anyone: WHY did he lie to me and suggest he could make me lynch immune? What was the point of that? How does it benefit the team to get me to waste an entire round on myself, thinking I was lynch immune? I could have attracted murders in my direction, too, with a false role claim.
It's a darn good thing I am not worth reviving, that's all I will say. If we win this game, fine... I just want to know why I wasn't even worth giving an explanation to when I was screwed out of my life so badly by a supposedly pro-town character.
That is quite simple - I didn't. I even joked about it, and when I thought you had taken it seriously, I even tried to warn you that I could not make you lynch immune.
For clarification, I told ATPG early on that I was a stump, that I had no vote and could not be removed from the game (partially true :wink:) - I told him we could be a duo, knowing that he carried a "lynch immune without actual ability" air about him, I thought we could perpetuate that farce, and he could act as my cover as I fed the town information.
It didn't pan out - sorry toots :laugh4:
Winston Hughes
01-15-2010, 01:49
Honestly, I voted for you because I like your name.
You like my name? Ah, well that paints things in a very different light. I like getting compliments. Doesn't happen often. I wonder why...
unvote: johnhughthom; vote: pevergreen
pevergreen
01-15-2010, 01:50
Because it's clearly irrelevant and no one besides me is interested in this:
I'll grant that YLC might be a town asset. So let me ask someone who might be more likely to respond, meaning anyone: WHY did he lie to me and suggest he could make me lynch immune? What was the point of that? How does it benefit the team to get me to waste an entire round on myself, thinking I was lynch immune? I could have attracted murders in my direction, too, with a false role claim.
It's a darn good thing I am not worth reviving, that's all I will say. If we win this game, fine... I just want to know why I wasn't even worth giving an explanation to when I was screwed out of my life so badly by a supposedly pro-town character.
tbh you are annoyingly powerful while alive and dead.
The players who don't go out on a limb (most of the players from capo and before, plus a few more recent ones, TinCow, khaan et al) just follow whatever you say, from game to game.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 01:52
Based on his behavior and his role claim, lynching him IS playing it safe. The risk is leaving him alive.
No it isn't, not in the slightest. Test the claim, then roleblock him if you must. Not risky.
Bad play. It happens.
That works equally well against your argument. Even more so, since townies are more prone to bad play than mafia.
Why? Because you partners never make mistakes?
Straw man. Who said anything about "never making mistakes"? Role pm's, claims, and strategy are certainly a group effort when I'm mafia, check any old quicktopic.
Nope, I was just pointing out that you were creating arguments for the sake of arguing, without basing them on the facts. The entire reason you're arguing here is just to create doubt with wordiness.
Complete sidestep and slander to boot. I made a legitimate criticism of your argument. You are unwilling to argue because you are convinced of your theory.
Sorry, Sasaki, a drop in kills due to a roleblock is not faulty reasoning no matter how many times you say it. It may not be the strongest evidence ever, but it's certainly valid in its own right. If that were the only evidence against Chaotix, I wouldn't even have made this case, but the cumulative evidence is very strong.
You said that "it's only faulty reasoning if it's not true", do you agree or disagree that this is completely false?
I know first hand how weak your roleblock-->mafioso accusations are. You have said that it doesn't stand on it's own right, and your other arguments have been dealt with.
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At this point, you have ceased logically or rationally defending your case. You contradict yourself, make claims that are logically false, claims that are untrue, and ignore any evidence that contradicts your theory, while admitting none of the proven flaws of your argument.
At this point, you have ceased logically or rationally defending your case. You contradict yourself, make claims that are logically false, claims that are untrue, and ignore any evidence that contradicts your theory, while admitting none of the proven flaws of your argument.
You have produced no evidence, you have simply argued mafia game theory. The very fact that you find Chaotix's role believable is even more evidence against him. There were only 2 people in Netherworld I that didn't believe my fake role: Andres and you. You've either grown gullible, or you're defending your buddy. I don't buy the former.
Askthepizzaguy
01-15-2010, 01:56
That is quite simple - I didn't. I even joked about it, and when I thought you had taken it seriously, I even tried to warn you that I could not make you lynch immune.
For clarification, I told ATPG early on that I was a stump, that I had no vote and could not be removed from the game (partially true :wink:) - I told him we could be a duo, knowing that he carried a "lynch immune without actual ability" air about him, I thought we could perpetuate that farce, and he could act as my cover as I fed the town information.
It didn't pan out - sorry toots :laugh4:
I think you "warned" me when I was about to be lynched, which I consider too late. So the joke is on me, ha ha. Just pointing out how pointless and wasteful it was.
@pevergreen-
What does that have to do with the price of tea in Australia?
pevergreen
01-15-2010, 02:14
What does that have to do with the price of tea in Australia?
I don't see the connection, but I laughed.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 02:15
You have produced no evidence, you have simply argued mafia game theory.
...yes? And what are you doing? Besides contradicting yourself and making logically false statements. The only evidence you have is a roleblock which you say you wouldn't make a case on, the rest is mafia game theory as well. "this makes no sense for a pro town role to do", "this role would not be in one of khaan's games".
The very fact that you find Chaotix's role believable is even more evidence against him. There were only 2 people in Netherworld I that didn't believe my fake role: Andres and you. You've either grown gullible, or you're defending your buddy. I don't buy the former.
I haven't read his role pm. If it can be tested it should be, he may still be a mafioso if it is. Regardless, it should be tested, rather than bandwagoning here. With a roleblocker, we are in the luxury position of being able to leave a claimed pro town role alive without risk.
Double A
01-15-2010, 02:19
unvote, vote: atheotes
If a deflector shield type role is in the game, it's not so hard to believe that there's a reviver who has to sacrifice someone to bring someone else back.
And confirmed killer > unconfirmed :daisy: ? role
... - Sigurd
Kralizec
01-15-2010, 02:43
That's all well and good, except for the fact I am night kill immune. The only way I am leaving this godforsaken place is if you, as a collective whole, lynch me.
Also, TC is not a killer - I've already checked him, and Seon is clean as well. Me and him have been working together these past few nights. I still believe you are Yama, Chaotix, and will hold you to that by putting you permanently under my shadow until I see fit that you are innocent. Either way, it will be a boon to us, the town.
I don't believe this, or at least not for now. "Night kill immune" seems like a ridiculously unbalanced role, especially if you're capable of investigating.
Since I'm off to bed in a couple of minutes and don't want to get WoG'ed,
Vote: YLC
I don't believe this, or at least not for now. "Night kill immune" seems like a ridiculously unbalanced role, especially if you're capable of investigating.
Since I'm off to bed in a couple of minutes and don't want to get WoG'ed,
Vote: YLC
Deary me, apparently this one is a bit lost- educate him we shall. I said I can redirect another roles ability to me, not investigate, silly little one.
Hmmm...I shall keep my eye on you, and maybe in you...hmmm...
Ah! YLC, that is a pretty epic power you have.
Vote: Chaotix
Seems everything has come out into the open now, but you played us like fools last time TinCow so I'm sure you'll understand if I'm somewhat wary of you.
Hmm. Just read Double A's post. I'd have to agree. It 'd be better to lynch a confirmed killer and block Choatix again tonight would it not. So I change my vote instantaniously!
Unvote vote: atheotes
...yes? And what are you doing? Besides contradicting yourself and making logically false statements. The only evidence you have is a roleblock which you say you wouldn't make a case on, the rest is mafia game theory as well.
Nice try at the spin. The other evidence I have produced is:
1) Chaotix has revealed himself multiple times to people who were about to be lynched. He even confessed to this. That is an absurd play for a pro-town role.
2) Chaotix didn't care whether you were a mafioso when trying to save you. That is also not indicative of a pro-town role, particularly considering he was revealing to you in the process.
I haven't read his role pm. If it can be tested it should be, he may still be a mafioso if it is. Regardless, it should be tested, rather than bandwagoning here. With a roleblocker, we are in the luxury position of being able to leave a claimed pro town role alive without risk.
I have other priorities tonight that do not involve Chaotix. He needs to be lynched here because I am only one person and cannot do everything at once.
Askthepizzaguy
01-15-2010, 04:20
I see how you cleverly didn't bold your vote for atheotes, Psychonaut.
Now, ordinarily, that would fool everyone, but not me, no sir! Nothing gets past me. He's your scum buddy and you wanted to look like you were voting him, but not actually cast a legal vote. AHA! Nailed you.
:clown:
I'll still be useful yet, dang it all, even if it is in the pathetic role of reminding people to bold their votes.
If you should want, dear tin of cow, I can watch over Chaotix tonight since I am in the lack of obligations if he does not become lynched.
Lol. No ATPG. But, thanks for pointing it out!
Vote: atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 04:26
Nice try at the spin. The other evidence I have produced is:
1) Chaotix has revealed himself multiple times to people who were about to be lynched. He even confessed to this. That is an absurd play for a pro-town role.
2) Chaotix didn't care whether you were a mafioso when trying to save you. That is also not indicative of a pro-town role, particularly considering he was revealing to you in the process.
That isn't evidence...calling it such does not make it so. It is your interpretation of mafia game theory that those things are absurd, not indicative of a pro town role etc.
I have other priorities tonight that do not involve Chaotix. He needs to be lynched here because I am only one person and cannot do everything at once.
I think the YLC issue is intriguing. Either he is lying about those two being mafia and we should lynch him, or we should lynch them.
I think the YLC issue is intriguing. Either he is lying about those two being mafia and we should lynch him, or we should lynch them.
Besides your answer being a bit non-sequitur, either do one or the other already! Believe me, believe me not - as far as I am concerned, your a mafioso, so to my ears your words mean squat, and others should keep that in mind. The mafia would not handicap themselves 2 kills a night just to frame one man, for however long.
Or do you see me as a roadblock to you and your ilk? Oh, how narrowminded you are - I am more then a mere roadblock in your quest for power :mellow:
That isn't evidence...calling it such does not make it so. It is your interpretation of mafia game theory that those things are absurd, not indicative of a pro town role etc.
So, why exactly did you start caring about bandwagons only from Day 4 onwards?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 04:38
Besides your answer being a bit non-sequitur, either do one or the other already! Believe me, believe me not - as far as I am concerned, your a mafioso, so to my ears your words mean squat, and others should keep that in mind. The mafia would not handicap themselves 2 kills a night just to frame one man, for however long.
Or do you see me as a roadblock to you and your ilk? Oh, how narrowminded you are - I am more then a mere roadblock in your quest for power :mellow:
How many people have died, 13? I am not a mafioso. It's quite a bountiful amount of information you delivered, one wonders how you got it, of course in other games the mafia have unwisely allowed 3rd parties into their midst. Clearly they have not done so in this game if you still consider me to be mafia, thanks for revealing that.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 04:42
So, why exactly did you start caring about bandwagons only from Day 4 onwards?
Having been falsely accused and bandwagoned to death myself (in two games on the same day no less), I am quite sympathetic to Chaotix's cause.
I'm curious what you think of YLC though, he accused chaotix as well and it seems like he has better reason than you unless he made the whole thing up.
How many people have died, 13? I am not a mafioso. It's quite a bountiful amount of information you delivered, one wonders how you got it, of course in other games the mafia have unwisely allowed 3rd parties into their midst. Clearly they have not done so in this game if you still consider me to be mafia, thanks for revealing that.
Who said I was a third party? I think your reading to much into what I am saying, Sasaki Kojiro. A mafioso who contacts me is a fool and deserves to be tied and prepped for his lynch.
Number of people that have died does not correlate to your innocence, it's whether kills go down or not, and for how long, and by which killers. I will always believe you to be a mafioso, since the only I can die is by lynch, and thus I can only die if I am defamed or disproven - you will be hard pressed to do either.
As to my information, it was what I have learned just simply based upon my ability and paying attention to the write ups - something you'd have caught on to if you did that same.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 04:48
Who said I was a third party? I think your reading to much into what I am saying, Sasaki Kojiro. A mafioso who contacts me is a fool and deserves to be tied and prepped for his lynch.
Well, you aren't claiming to be mafia is what I meant.
Number of people that have died does not correlate to your innocence, it's whether kills go down or not, and for how long, and by which killers. I will always believe you to be a mafioso, since the only I can die is by lynch, and thus I can only die if I am defamed or disproven - you will be hard pressed to do either.
The kills can go down from many causes, anyone of the dead could have been one of the mafia, especially since you are suggesting several different killing parties?
As to my information, it was what I have learned just simply based upon my ability and paying attention to the write ups - something you'd have caught on to if you did that same.
I got the impression you didn't think atheotes and ccrunner were allied with the Lamia (mafia), why is that?
Well, you aren't claiming to be mafia is what I meant.
And thus, we reach yet another absurd point. Dear me, I don't have to do any work at all to make gibberish spew forth.
The kills can go down from many causes, anyone of the dead could have been one of the mafia, especially since you are suggesting several different killing parties?
They are not acting in any coordinated manner, and their MO's and whom they are seem to conflict with each other once you start trying to piece everything together based upon the actual mythological creatures/beings motivation.
I got the impression you didn't think atheotes and ccrunner were allied with the Lamia (mafia), why is that?
Read above.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 05:02
And thus, we reach yet another absurd point. Dear me, I don't have to do any work at all to make gibberish spew forth.
All you have to do is misunderstand the other person. Why did you just insult my mother?
They are not acting in any coordinated manner, and their MO's and whom they are seem to conflict with each other once you start trying to piece everything together based upon the actual mythological creatures/beings motivation.
Read above.
Mythology is not my strong point :book:
I wouldn't expect mafia kills to be coordinated.
pevergreen
01-15-2010, 05:10
Blah blah blah
:rolleyes:
Having been falsely accused and bandwagoned to death myself (in two games on the same day no less), I am quite sympathetic to Chaotix's cause.
I've never seen you be this concerned with a bandwagon before. You're fighting even harder than you did for yourself.
I'm curious what you think of YLC though, he accused chaotix as well and it seems like he has better reason than you unless he made the whole thing up.
Everything YLC has said in this thread is consistent with the information I have.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 05:27
I've never seen you be this concerned with a bandwagon before. You're fighting even harder than you did for yourself.
What can I say, I felt like taking a stand. Upholding the org standard and all that, y'know.
Everything YLC has said in this thread is consistent with the information I have.
It seems like we're in a pretty good spot then...
Sasaki is touchy because you got a bandwagon on him.
or the fact it could be Chaotix's scum partner.
CCRunner
01-15-2010, 05:57
Vote: Chaotix
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 06:36
Vote: Chaotix
=mafia; no response to what YLC said.
Double A
01-15-2010, 07:20
:rolleyes:
I'm not the only one who doesn't know what's going on half the time then?
Changed my mind.
Unvote, Vote: Chaotix
atheotes
01-15-2010, 16:39
I am NOT aligned with the mafia. I have disclosed everything i know about my role and the game, to a pro-town character.
Vote: Chaotix... if not for YLC i would have taken him out already.
johnhughthom
01-15-2010, 16:41
I'm not the only one who doesn't know what's going on half the time then?
That would mean you know whats happening about twice as often as me.
Unvote, Vote:Chaotix
Kralizec
01-15-2010, 20:13
Deary me, apparently this one is a bit lost- educate him we shall. I said I can redirect another roles ability to me, not investigate, silly little one.
Hmmm...I shall keep my eye on you, and maybe in you...hmmm...
What do you mean by "redirecting"? I assumed that you meant you were capable of mimicking another player's capabilities, wich would also reveal if said person was scum or not.
Anywho, having special powers + immunity from night kills seems like a ridiculously overpowered combo to me. How common is it in mafia games that a pro-town role is immune from mafia kills?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-15-2010, 20:24
I am NOT aligned with the mafia. I have disclosed everything i know about my role and the game, to a pro-town character.
Vote: Chaotix... if not for YLC i would have taken him out already.
If atheotes is admitting to having a role, that puts him, CCrunner, chaotix, and ylc all in the spotlight imo.
seireikhaan
01-15-2010, 20:44
Round over in one hour, fifteen minutes.
Askthepizzaguy
01-15-2010, 21:43
What do you mean by "redirecting"? I assumed that you meant you were capable of mimicking another player's capabilities, wich would also reveal if said person was scum or not.
Anywho, having special powers + immunity from night kills seems like a ridiculously overpowered combo to me. How common is it in mafia games that a pro-town role is immune from mafia kills?
I was basically immune from mafia kills in Chaotix' Council of Villains game. I also made a character that was immune to death if another person was alive in my Monty Python and the Holy Grail mafia. Other than that I haven't seen such a role. I also don't picture Khaan putting such a role in his game unless there was something that could cancel its power.
Diamondeye
01-15-2010, 21:51
What Sasaki is trying to get YLC to say is that YLC is in fact the guy who plays with illusions and make people kill each other. Am I correct, Sasaki Kojiro?
Or: Am I correct, YLC?
Too bad I can't vote since I am dead.
What Sasaki is trying to get YLC to say is that YLC is in fact the guy who plays with illusions and make people kill each other. Am I correct, Sasaki Kojiro?
Or: Am I correct, YLC?
Too bad I can't vote since I am dead.
I don;t play with illusions anymore then you play with your heart, not that you do much anymore :wink:
I've never made anyone else in this entire game do something they did not want already to happen. If someone dies, it is not because of me but because of them.
seireikhaan
01-15-2010, 22:34
When the encampment was called, the feeling was less satisfactory than previously. Three slayings the night before had dampened the mood considerably. The group immediately jumped on one named Chaotix, as a likely perpetrator. Several claimed he they knew he was a powerful, evil force. Chaotix was quickly subjugated and presented before governor-general Yasei.
Chaotix glared at him from a kneeling position. "So, this is how you treat me?" he asked.
"It is not I, but them," Yasei responded.
"You son of a-" Chaotix' last, frustrated statement was cut off by the shimmering sword of the governor-general. Yasei figured he needn't bother to remind the camp this time to keep their wits about, instead waving a hand to dismiss the lot and letting the guards carry Chaotix out of the hall.
Chaotix 12 (johnhughthom, CCRunner, atheotes, Psychonaut, Joooray, YLC, Beskar, Scienter, Woad&fangs, Andres, TinCow, Thermal Mercury)
Atheotes 3 (YLC, Chaotix, Double A)
pevergreen 1 (Winston Hughes)
Winston Hughes 1 (pevergreen)
YLC 1 (Kralizec)
A1_Unit 1 (A1_Unit)
Alive: 21
A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Atheotes
Beskar
CCRunner
Centurion1
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Scienter
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC
Slain: 14
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Lynched: 5
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
DUE TO SCHEDULING ISUES TOMORROW, THIS ROUND WILL TAKE 48 HOURS. PLEASE SEND IN ORDERS.
I don;t play with illusions anymore then you play with your heart, not that you do much anymore :wink:
I've never made anyone else in this entire game do something they did not want already to happen. If someone dies, it is not because of me but because of them.
Though it could be argued that you would die instead of them, it is your power that is killing off random people.
You know, devil advocate and all.
Diamondeye
01-15-2010, 22:36
I don;t play with illusions anymore then you play with your heart, not that you do much anymore :wink:
I've never made anyone else in this entire game do something they did not want already to happen. If someone dies, it is not because of me but because of them.
I'm just saying your role seems scummy to me, although you could just be a completely innocent busdriver-god, that just doesn't really fit with the vibe I'm getting from your actions nor the writeups texting. Might just be me, really.
Tonight will be fun. :juggle:
dreading how many people will read into this comment wrongly... :egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
01-15-2010, 23:48
He's a witch! BURN HIM!!!
:campfire:
Well, have fun, town.
I hope you make better decisions than that for the rest of the game, TinCow. I promise I'll laugh when you get killed.
Well, have fun, town.
I hope you make better decisions than that for the rest of the game, TinCow. I promise I'll laugh when you get killed.
I love how bluntly you put this. :laugh4:
Though TinCow will never die. He is getting protected by a doctor and no one will lynch him.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-16-2010, 00:53
I suppose I could reveal the doctor, and give the mafia a shot at TinCow...
He's a witch! BURN HIM!!!
:campfire:
Witch, WITCH!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKtK9Utr4Y)
but with YLC most likely using his ability on atheotes and TinCow roleblocking CCRunner, it is not like the Mafia can do anything.
but with YLC most likely using his ability on atheotes and TinCow roleblocking CCRunner, it is not like the Mafia can do anything.
Err... You're forgetting about Yama, because, believe or not, he was not me. And on top of that, we still don't know for a fact that either GH or Sasaki was mafia.
but with YLC most likely using his ability on atheotes and TinCow roleblocking CCRunner, it is not like the Mafia can do anything.
Lamia remains unaccounted for. We will not be able to stop all attacks tonight; there's still a decent amount of work to do in this game.
Double A
01-17-2010, 01:01
Maybe Lama's inactive or just trying to lie low?
Who is Lamia? (or which one)
Who is Lamia? (or which one)
Lamia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamia_%28mythology%29)
Perhaps TinCow could point out which write-up Lamia is in, I'm unsure which he is mentioning.
At the base of the mountain, a young woman sat cross-legged in a meditative pose. Her eyes were closed, and she gently hummed a tune to herself. This realm was quiet, peaceful. Well, it was peaceful, anyways, but certainly there was no hustle and bustle of the other realms.
This woman or another?
Others started referring to the role we were calling the Naga as Lamia a while ago. Search the thread, you'll find other mentions of her. That role seems to fit the descriptions a bit better than the Naga.
Witch, WITCH!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPKtK9Utr4Y)
And you wonder why I give you bad cards in blackjack :bigcry:
:clown:
And you wonder why I give you bad cards in blackjack :bigcry:
:clown:
Ey, don't you say anything bad about Get well soon, that guy is a genius. :yes: :tongue:
seireikhaan
01-17-2010, 21:01
Ok, orders are in. Writeups in... maybe half hour if I can get rolling. More likely an hour.
seireikhaan
01-17-2010, 22:20
It would work.... it would work..... it would work.... Thus were the seething thoughts of the beast-headed humanoid as it found, once more, the cave near the swamp and mountain's border. The cave was stereotypically dank and dark. Once again, it trekked the narrow path, with single minded determination. This would not fail. Not this time. The weasel wouldn't get away.
“Did you say something about me?”
It looked around. Something had said that.... somewhere...
“Down here, good sir,” the voice prodded. It looked down, and lo and behold, a weasel was sitting upright on its rear legs in front of him. “Did you call for me?” It asked once more.
In that one moment of irony, all the frustration and anger towards this cave and its inhabitant poured out. Without warning, it delivered a swift kick to the weasel, booting it across the cave. It charged the little rodent, which lay stunned against the wall, and brought his knife into it's tiny body with force. Once, twice, three times.... the count grew into the dozens quickly, and before long, there was nothing left of the little rodent.
Pop
The humanoid let a roar out. Had again! The cave vanished, replaced by the fence of the encampment, the weasel having been replaced by the torso of Scienter, who had been nearly carved in half during the attack.
“Did you do it?” The humanoid turned around, to find a man wielding sword and shield behind him. “Well?!” the man demanded. “Where is he?!”
The humanoid grinned. Another target to vent on. Without an answer, it rushed the man, swinging the knife in a left-sweeping arc. The man raised his shield, and the blow glanced off. Taking the initiative, he swung his blade in response. Ready, the humanoid rolled to its left, finishing the move braced on a knee, taking a swing for one of the man's knees. The man swung his shield, causing the knife to once again glance off, before delivering a kick square to the jaw of the humanoid. It was knocked to its back, giving the man the advantage needed. He leaped onto the chest of the humanoid, and pinned its right arm with his shield. For a moment, the two glared at each other, eye to eye, hatred emanating from each. The man raised his sword arm back, ready to plunge it in for the final blow.
“Noooooooo!” A cry came from behind him, and a hand grabbed at his. Struggling for a moment, he wrenched it free, and the blade rammed up through the jaw and into the head of the atheotes. Just as the blow was struck, a pair of arms wrapped completely around his waist, and sharp teeth embedded into his left shoulder. He was pulled from the body, and tossed. He had lost his grip on his sword, which remained in the atheotes' skull. He scrambled to his feet, to meet his new attacker. A twisted woman was already rushing him again. She slid along on a limbless lower body, but moved still with incredible speed. He attempted to raise his shield, but left arm went numb. She stretched out her arms, and tackled him to the ground. “HOW DARE YOU!” She screamed. “You will suffer for this!” He tried to squirm, but his body was not cooperating. His lower body had decided to copy his arm, and was feebly kicking against the mass pinned against him. She pulled a clawed hand back, and thrust it into his chest. Each finger gouged in between individual ribs. She did likewise with her other hand, thrusting it to the other side of the rib cage. The agony.... he wished whatever had numbed his lower body and arm would make its way to his torso... or if it had, that it was stronger. She lifted him up by his ribcage, and slowly wrapped her lower body around his, constricting him. She could see he was close to blacking out. She curled her fingers, ensnaring the ribs completely. Then, with a violent twist, she ripped CCRunner's ribcage straight out of his body. Any light within his eyes immediately vanished, and bloodied remains were tossed, a sight for all passerby.
I'm going to give this phase 36 hours. I likely won't be awake when it ends, but same procedure as always.
Alive: 18
A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Beskar
Centurion1
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
YLC
Slain: 17
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
Lynched: 5
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Well, that worked out quite well, poor, poor Anubis... - were down to one TC, lets do this :wink:
Note: Most of the below was written prior to the write-up, so be aware that when reading the bits about YLC, his survival proves that my below concerns are unwarranted. He's fine.
Please allow me to explain what happened last night, as I am responsible for most of it.
First, let me make it clear that I have never trusted YLC. He has been lying about his role from the very beginning, and has never come clean about it. Our initial conversations:
If you are town, as you profess, and such a lowly roleblocker, then you will do as I say. We both have a bit to lose, or to gain from this, and I'm not going to get anywhere if I'm stuck on you.
Target ATPG again tonight, because I know for a fact your ability last night was not used on ATPG. I need to trust ATPG, because I have been feeding him information. I need to actually know if I can trust him as a proxy.
And, no, I am not forming a network, I am just setting up proxies.
because I know for a fact your ability last night was not used on ATPG.
Explain
I can't explain in full detail, except I'm fairly sure your not one of the 3 killers - you might be if there is five, but that is doubtful, as the synchronization would be rather hard to pull off.
All I know is that your not hurting the town, so I willing to be more open. But I'm iffy about putting all my cards on the table yet - how do I know your not capable of turning your back on the town?
Whichever - when to trust, when not to?
I am a nexus, I can choose one person, and for that night, any ability they might use, is used on me instead.
Now, play your cards.
I have no additional information to give you; I posted all I know in the thread. Regardless of whatever powers you may have, I am a roleblocker and I submitted orders to block ATPG last night. I will not claim otherwise, because that is the truth.
It is interesting that your opinion of me has made a pretty remarkable U-turn from this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2408025&postcount=356) to your current attitude. You expect me to believe that an easily faked role reveal has convinced you?
No, but from what I've gathered, your not a killer, and kill numbers haven't gone down. If you had the capability to kill, I'd know about it.
And just par for the course - you actually believe everything I have told you? If your a good player, no, you haven't, and no, neither do I fully trust you. I'm simply watching you TC, as you are now watching me. If you think for a second I do not consider you a threat to me, or that of the town, your a bit sadly mistaken.
However, you have a couple of options - either continue your charade if mafia, and eventually die because ATPG and I will be unrelenting, or as town simply work with me so that we simply don't neutralize each other every night until the heavens rain down upon us.
Or simply reveal me, get me killed and eventually yourself as well as a dandy third option, whichever floats your boat. Either way, unless the town takes a step forward, they are just going to sit on their arse and be picked off, and where is the fun in that?
I gather from your statements that you're claiming you used your ability on me instead, so that I blocked you instead of ATPG last night?
Yes, and as to your previous PM, no, your the only one who is aware, considering I didn't trust ATPG fully and simply told him I was a stump. I'm not that much of an idiot :wink:
What is the actual name of your role?
I have no name, no specific name anyway.
'khaan's standard role PM starts with:
You are X
What does it say for the X?
I am an/the Illusion Daemon.
Apparently, I am so ancient that know one knows my name :laugh4:
5 seconds of googling for Illusion Daemons gives this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_daemon
Which includes this blurb:
The evil daemon presents a complete illusion of an external world, including other people, to Descartes' senses, where in fact there is no such external world in existence. The evil genius also presents to Descartes' senses a complete illusion of his own body, including all bodily sensations, where in fact Descartes has no body. Most Cartesian scholars opine that the evil daemon is also omnipotent, and thus capable of altering mathematics and the fundamentals of logic.
That sounds a lot like the meditating man that was involved in Peasant Phill's death scene. Did you have something to do with that?
I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and say - no. I didn't touch Phil last night, I targeted CCRunner, which led to zero results on my end as well.
I may or may not be related to said above "evil daemon" - all I know is that I am an/the Illusion Daemon, and given no hint as to what my actual nature is beyond "you can make pretty lights and force people to use their abilities on you".
Which actually brings up an interesting point - I can find protown roles, specifically investigators, since once they forcibly investigate me, they will know of my alignment and contact me. I might be a good "investigator" checker.
I'm pleased you chose CCRunner. That was who I was blocking before I switched to Csargo.
Two things set me off here. First, YLC claims a generic name "Illusion Daemon", not a specific mythological character. That is not consistent with what I've seen in this game. So far, every single role I've encountered has had a specific name. Second, YLC is straight up lying about his power. He says repeatedly that he redirects actions onto himself. That worked fine early on when he was targeting non-killers, because there was no way to prove otherwise. However, YLC has targeted killers several times now. On ALL of those nights, the result was not that the kill was redirected onto himself, it was instead directed onto a third party. That is very different from the 'nexus' ability YLC claims, which made it clear to me that YLC was lying about his ability.
Later on, I probed more:
So, are you still going to stick with your story that you have nothing to do with the illusions that show up every night?
Oh, thank you, I was looking for whom I targeted on Night 3 - it will help me put my case together.
If your wondering about my involvement with any deaths, the answer is no - I haven't and am incapable of killing anyone. Beyond that it's none of your concern - kill me if you want, try your hardest, but CCRunner and Atheotes are both capable of killing and they need to be gotten rid of.
If I die in the process, so be it - it'll be because of your own selfish paranoia, I'm only here to help.
Pardon, but you're the paranoid one. If you are the illusion guy, you clearly know the identity of several killers and you are not one yourself. I'm just trying to help someone that I think might have useful info.
If you're the illusion guy, just own up to it. Deflecting kills onto another target doesn't make you a killer, that much is obvious.
The issue was that according to my PM, I DON'T reflect kills off on to another - so either someone has been screwing with me (You), or my role will end up killing others without a way to deny it that sounds plausible, hence my early lynching if I owned up to it.
I am, we are, have always been, never were, can't quite, always can, never wont to do, but always willing to say we maybe, almost certainly am, never could be, the person your talking about, no that other guy.
:bow:
Well, all I can say is that I haven't targeted you once during the entire game. I also disagree that even if you are deflecting kills onto other people, that means you are a killer yourself. The mafia are the ones who are still causing the death, you're just screwing up their targeting attempts.
Can you at least give me a list of who you've targeted each night? Since the illusion guy has deflected many mafia kills, if you're him your night action list is very useful to us.
I deleted all of my night orders to make room in my tiny inbox for my game.
Night 1 was Seon
Night 2 was you (LOL, why do you think I went ahead and contacted you?)
Night 3 was CCRunner
Night 4 was Atheotes
Night 5 was Atheotos (to confirm both him, my reflection ability, and CCRunner's guilt)
Hmmm...
N1 - No illusion guy
N2 - No illusion guy
N3 - Deflects a kill by the Perseus killer (who I no longer believe is vigilante, btw)
N4 - Deflects a kill by the wolf-guy
N5 - Deflects kills by the wolf-guy AND by the naga
This pattern would fit with atheotes being the wolf-guy. The extra appearance of the naga could be explained if you are unkillable at night. Perhaps any kill attempt on you results in someone else random getting killed. Worth noting that in both N3 and N5, the killers entered a cave. Do you have any indication that you live in a cave? If so, that might be proof that they were trying to kill you. That would also mean that the N3 illusion was the result of an attempted kill on you, not your night action target.
Have you tried to clarify your role with khaan? Mine was pretty vague in Netherworld I, and he gave me a bit more info when I asked.
I have inquired more into my role, awaiting a response.
He never gave any further explanation from 'khaan after that. In the above, he claims to have no idea why the kills were being deflected instead of directed at himself. I also find that worthy of a raised eyebrow.
At some point prior to the above conversation, I was contacted by Beskar who told me that a third person had told him they were a detective and had gotten a guilty result on Chaotix. Since the guilty result was in-line with what I was already thinking about Chaotix, I was hopeful that this was true and that I'd finally located a detective. I pried a bit more, and Beskar told me the detective's identity was atheotes. However, atheotes had already been pretty convincingly IDed as the wolf-guy by YLC, which did NOT fit with a detective role. So, I confronted atheotes about his role:
What is your exact role name? Are you the wolf-guy with the dagger?
No. You have put me in a difficult situation...given that you are considered to be a pro-town role. revealing to you could put me at risk. At the same time if i dont, you can get me lynched now. But the first option gives me a chance to get a minor victory. my name is Orcus. My goal is to find and kill Hades. I think i am the only one who can kill Hades at night because it is listed as an ability.
Please give me any information you have on Hades. I may know who he is, and I am probably the only person who can get YLC off your butt long enough so that you can act freely at night. However, I need evidence that Hades is bad for the town before I will agree to do something like that.
I am not a detective. I think you misunderstood the "Find" in "find and kill Hades".
I dont have any info on Hades. If i knew who he was i would have killed him already. My mission was from the Gods and they want Hades removed.
I thought Hades had a cover role and maybe even a godfather type role.
I can kill any night but when i kill Hades i will not be shown guilty if investigated. to be honest there are a lot of things i do not understand about the game or even my role.
1) If you're not a detective, why did you tell Beskar that you were and that you got a guilty result on Chaotix?
2) If you can't investigate, and you can kill any night, you're straight up lying about not being the killer I've described as the wolf-guy. Orcus is the origin of the modern version of the Orc,and the descriptions of those kills mesh well with an Orc-like appearance. Admit it and I will consider letting you kill Hades tonight. If you do not, I will roleblock you tonight and have you lynched tomorrow, game over.
crap... i misunderstood the wolf killer description you gave. N1 i targeted Khazaar. After that i had doubts about whether to kill or not. I thought i was more likely to take out townies...so i decided against it. I thought Chaotix was scummy...so the night before last i targeted Chaotix.Did not go through. i had no idea what happened. I did not understand who i was in the writeup and felt that the host had missed my orders. I thought if he did not get night killed then he cant be Hades. last night i targeted Scienter and the same thing happened. I do not know the lore/myth...so i was finding it difficult to identify my character. hence the confusion. I still dont know what happened in the writeup.
Beskar is usually behind me everygame. thats just the way it is. When he hounded me I told him there was an investigation result on Chaotix and he was guilty. I just wanted him to leave me alone. Since the host was not giving away the roles, i thought i can take my chances and keep him off me. And i could always kill him if it became necessary.
atheotes' large numbers of kills/kill attempts made me believe he was either mafia or independent scum. Either way, he had to be disposed of. However, the stuff he said about Hades made my hair stand on end. The intro post of this game makes it very clear that Hades is not on the same side as the town. Before atheotes' statement, I had never seen any indication that Hades himself was actually in the game as a role. If Hades is in this game, there is no way he is pro-town. Hades would be a major threat to the Gods (town) and would have to die.. In addition, atheotes' role ability very much sounded to me like he was the only person who could kill Hades at night. By the time I heard that, it was already obvious that YLC was immune to night attacks. I did not believe that was a coincidence, nor did I believe that a role that was immune to night attacks would be pro-town, because it would be too powerful. At the same time, I found it implausible that there were two night attack-immune role in this game. Combined with YLC's generic role name and lies about his role ability, this made me think that YLC was likely Hades.
So, I knew atheotes had to be disposed of, but I knew YLC was possibly a major threat. Since I already knew YLC was immune to night attacks, if he was NOT Hades, he would survive any attack by atheotes. Thus, if YLC was not Hades, no harm would be done to the town if he were attacked. Conversely, if atheotes DID kill YLC, it would mean YLC was Hades, and again the town would benefit. As far as I could tell, atheotes attacking YLC was a win-win situation for the town. So, I strong-armed atheotes into attacking YLC last night:
now i see what happened... YLC did it. that is one powerful role.
Indeed it is. If you're telling the truth about Hades existing, YLC is almost certainly him.
he cant be it if he is immune to night kill....either that or he is lying. I doubt it though.
You tried to kill YLC? I thought he just blocked you...
I never tried to kill him. i meant that his claim about being immune to nightkill cannot be true if he is Hades.
he said he redirected my killing ability on himself and whatever he has said is consistent with the writeup. So i am inclined to believe he is not Hades.
My thoughts were that his role PM told him that he was night kill immune, without mentioning you. In Netherworld I, several roles had 'guaranteed kill' abilities against certain other roles even if they were protected, but their targets were not aware of that. Clearly YLC is immune from most night kills, as he's survived attacks by Lamia and Perseus.
However, YLC is obviously lying about directing abilities onto himself... he has targeted you twice and Perseus once, and all three times someone else ended up getting killed. If YLC was directing the abilities onto himself, no one else would have died. If he's lying about how his ability works at this stage in the game, he's also lying about a lot more than that. There's no reason to lie about just that part of his role. In addition, I very much doubt that 'khaan would have included TWO night-kill immune roles in this game, which is what the result would be if YLC is not Hades.
I will propose a deal to you: you attack YLC tonight and I will not block you or move for your lynch tomorrow. I will also make sure YLC is not targeting you tonight. I very strongly believe YLC is Hades. If I am right, he will die and both you and the town will benefit. If I am wrong, he is night-kill immune anyway, so no harm is done to the town.
I won't lie to you and say that I believe you'll make it to the end of the game, you're almost certainly doomed... however if you're telling the truth about being able to get a minor victory from killing Hades, this is your one and only chance. If you refuse or if you agree and attack anyone other than YLC tonight, I promise you will be lynched tomorrow and you will not even get your minor victory.
this is from the opening post:
"Following his coup, Hades' victorious mood turned sour quickly upon hearing that his old home had been annexed. Diplomacy, and the fragile state of his new rule, prevented him from outright demanding the removal of the encampment; it had, after all, been seized during the previous ruler's reign, and he was not entitled to the lost possessions of his predecessor. Despite continued “insistence” to the world of Gods that he be given the borderlands back, he never met success. For a time, this uneasy peace continued. But neither the Gods nor Hades would be fool enough to think it could last..."
my take on the game is that Hades is trying to get the borderlands back and the Gods want to take control of Netherworld. I thought all the mafia were working for Hades and have infiltrated the camp. Knowing Hades is here he is definitely under cover.
we have seen mafia, 2 vigilantes(?), and 3 other power roles - you, Garuda and YLC. I dont think YLC is Hades simply because when i targeted Chaotix, Beefy got killed. it aligns with what he says about being immune to night kill.
I understand that i may not have much time. I can be useful to the town. But i will always be the next best lynch target and it will not take much to get a bandwagon on me. My only concern about attacking YLC is - if it fails and he is who he claims to be, he is going to be pissed and is going to go after me. the town is going to be mad as someone else will die...Which leaves me facing lynch.
Beefy dying when you targeted Chaotix doesn't prove anything about YLC, because you didn't attack YLC directly. Like I said, if YLC is not Hades, no harm will be done to the town because he will not die.
I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince you of this; this action is designed to test you just as much as him. If you do not agree to do this by tomorrow morning EST, I will roleblock you and ensure that you are lynched tomorrow. I will also ensure that you are lynched if you agree and then attack anyone other than YLC. This is not a negotiation. At this point, you are almost certain to get lynched tomorrow, even if I say nothing about it. Your only hope of survival is if I speak up in your favor.
thats precisely what i was asking for. Because YLC is sure to come after me if he survives.
Regardless of whether YLC dies or survives, I promise that I explain everything and state that I demanded that you do this. I have no problems accepting responsibility for this action.
At the same time as this was going on, I was contacted by a person who claimed the role of Bellerephon, the man riding Pegasus. He claimed he was a vigilante, with some extra stuff that complicated his role, which I am sure we will need to discuss soon, but I'll leave that for another time. However, I told this person that they needed to prove that they were pro-town, so I asked them to kill atheotes. 'khaan had already told me that actions occur simultaneously, so if all worked as planned, both the attack on YLC and the attack on atheotes would go through. 1 scum, atheotes, would be disposed of for sure, and YLC's true alignment would be tested.
At the same time, I told YLC that I would block atheotes, because he had no idea I suspected him of being Hades. Since he thought I was going to keep atheotes from killing, and atheotes would obviously be lynched the next day, it was easy to convince YLC to target someone I suspected of being Lamia instead, which made sure he wouldn't interfere in my scheme. I, of course, did not block atheotes, because I wanted him to be able to attack YLC. Please note that I did not lie to atheotes about what I would do for him. I told him I would not block him and that I would not try to get him lynched today. I didn't say anything about not getting him killed at night. So, that's what happened last night.
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The above was written prior to the night results. Having now read them, YLC's survival means he is not Hades. Apologies, my friend, I hope you can understand my concerns under the circumstances. :bow:
atheotes died as expected, and that is good. Unfortunately it appears that Lamia saw Bellerophon's identity quite easily with the information revealed by YLC. Bellerophon was CCRunner:
I am the vigilante riding the white horse. I'm Bellerephron actually, not perseus but the idea is the same. I'm actually a vigilante with a twist however-- there are a limited number of nights which I can elect to not kill before going insane and murdering quite a few people along with myself. Plus each night I don't kill adds a 20% chance of me being a bomb if I'm lynched so yeah, that's why I'm active at night.
So yeah, basically here's my kill explanations:
First couple of nights I was skiing so no kills.
I targeted DE for being the second highest vote getter but it was somehow redirected.
I targeted you-- It was right after you revealed so I figured you'd be protected for the night thus eliminating the insane thing while still not killing anyone.
I obviously just killed DE-- He was the second place vote getter.
I think that's all of them? For the record, failed attempts don't count as me not killing so there is no danger of me going insane if that's the route you wish to take. I just have to send in a kill order. Not sure about roleblocking but I'd assume it works the same
Interesting. That's certainly a role that will raise some eyebrows as a good excuse for a mafioso, but the in-thread descriptions do fit very well with Bellerephon. I've combed through all kinds of mythology as well and it seems like people on white, flying horses are generally perceived as good. Your role is plausible enough that I will accept it for now. I am protected every night, so if we do not have a mafioso for you to kill, you can simply attack me, with my approval. atheotes is certainly mafia, so he may be a target tonight.
You're saying you didn't kill White_Eyes on N1 thought? That description shows a mighty warrior with shield, spear, and sword, which fits with your other attacks.That is correct, I did not attack on Night one, nor was I in town to even send in an order.
One interesting bit to note from the above is that Bellerophon was not the sword/shield/spear killer on Night 1. That's a separate role, and it has never appeared again. If we're lucky, that was a mafioso who died early on.
So, as it stands now, we obviously still have Lamia left alive, with the possibility that Hades is also around causing trouble. I am curious whether anyone else has seen any indication that Hades is in the game... it could be just something atheotes made up, but for some reason I'm tending to believe he was telling the truth.
*has heart attack, dies, truth is revealed to everyone, everyone else dies or commits suicide*
Hades may fit - considering it seemed like the river Styx was reanimating corpses - Lord of the Dead anyone? I think Khaan stole that ability from me - I had a role that used everyone else as a vessel for night kills, effectively rendering them immune to investigation and making everyone they used appear guilty.
I wonder if that means we might have a post mortem detective - if we do, please contact TC soon.
As for me, no, the role Khaan bequeathed upon me stated that I redirected all abilities to me that a person used during the night when I targeted them - he did however say something about there was more to me, but has never clarified, even when I asked him twice.
LOL, sorry. Like I noted, I wrote that all in advance because it took a long time to pull all the PMs out in a manner that made sense. Transparancy of information is good for the town in most cases, so I decided to post it anyway even though I was wrong about you.
Diamondeye
01-17-2010, 23:05
Wow, nice job, TC! That certainly pours some light on what has been going on. And another mafia has bitten the dust. If only the Lamia is left, we might only see one kill tonight, correct?
And CCR, why so keen to kill me? Revenge from another game? :beam::sweatdrop:
So who is the Corpse Killer? The one who uses corpses to kill?
Scienter
01-17-2010, 23:36
I guess there are worse things than being mistaken for a weasel. :skull:
atheotes
01-17-2010, 23:47
:no:
woad&fangs
01-18-2010, 05:30
Vote: YLC
The mafia appears to be gutted, so I'm no longer quite as worried about them in the short term. On the other hand, I'm inherently worried about any power roles in the Netherworld. They tend to have a habit of staging coups.:skull:
So sorry, YLC, but this needs to happen before we can resume our hunt for the mafia. I hope you understand.
There is one fact, there seems to be many power roles in this game, that thing is certain.
We have/had:
Yama (Presumed Dead / Mafia) - Chaotix
Wolf-man (Dead / Mafia ) - atheotes
Guy on Flying Horse (Dead / Pro-Town Vig? ) - CCRunner
Lamia (Presumed Alive / Mafia) - Unknown
Illusions ( Alive / Neutral /SK Unkiilable Nexus ) - YLC
Sleeply ( Alive / Pro-town Roleblocker) - TinCow
Garuna(?) (Alive / Pro-town Doctor) - Unknown
Corpse Killer ( Dead / Presumed Mafia ) - Sasaki Kojiro
Spartan ( Unknown / Unknown ) - Unknown
Anything missing? (or fill in the blanks)
It does suggest a possiblity of emergant mafia in as Woad says, a coup.
Askthepizzaguy
01-18-2010, 06:05
Red Shirt (Dead, Presumed Awesome)- Askthepizzaguy
Red Shirt (Dead, Presumed Awesome)- Askthepizzaguy
Startrek reference? :beam:
Vote: YLC
The mafia appears to be gutted, so I'm no longer quite as worried about them in the short term. On the other hand, I'm inherently worried about any power roles in the Netherworld. They tend to have a habit of staging coups.:skull:
So sorry, YLC, but this needs to happen before we can resume our hunt for the mafia. I hope you understand.
Well then, I know whom to use my ability on tonight.
GeneralHankerchief
01-18-2010, 06:17
Right, because that's such a pro-town response.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 06:19
Right, because that's such a pro-town response.
The mafia always draw attention to themselves by voting for a claimed pro town role, that's like, mafia 101.
Right, because that's such a pro-town response.
The mafia always draw attention to themselves by voting for a claimed pro town role, that's like, mafia 101.
Apparently, the advice of dead mafioso is something to heed - or that they are that naive?
There is a problem... which role was Sasaki Kojiro meant to be?
Because, he could be actually just be a random townie.
GeneralHankerchief
01-18-2010, 06:38
Apparently, the advice of dead mafioso is something to heed - or that they are that naive?
Oh, I agree: One of us in this conversation is definitely naïve. :yes:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 06:39
Apparently, the advice of dead mafioso is something to heed - or that they are that naive?
I'm renowned for my naivety.
Anyway, 5 mafioso down by my count, guess there won't be anymore kills tonight :beam:
1) no kills,
2) the game keeps going on
3) TinCow is still alive.
Hmmm...
:stupido:
Mmmm...
:stupido3:
Ehm...
:stupido2:
There is a problem... which role was Sasaki Kojiro meant to be?
Because, he could be actually just be a random townie.
I believe he was the 'corpse killer.' That role disappeared on the night I blocked Sasaki, and it has not returned since he was lynched.
Anyway, 5 mafioso down by my count, guess there won't be anymore kills tonight :beam:
Then you need remedial math. (1) Corpse killer, (2) Yama, (3) Orcus/wolf-guy, and MAYBE (4) random shield/spear/sword guy on N1.
Of the above, (3) was most likely an independent killer. So, that leaves us with 1 dead independent, 1 dead vigilante, and 2 (possibly 3) dead mafioso.
Regardless, Lamia is clearly still alive.
OHHHH! He is Corpse Killer.
I will update it now. Thank you. I wondered what happened to corpse-killer.
I thought it was really weird you stopped discussing corpse-killer as they were not a threat. Was even tempted to guess it was YLC's other ability or something.
Now I am on track. :yes:
If you're keeping track, YLC also claims to be totally neutral (capable of winning with either side), not exclusively pro-town. Given the current situation in the game though, and the aid he has provided in tracking down killers, I believe he has decided to side with the town.
Also, read towards the end of my long post. CCRunner claims the sword/shield/spear kill on N1 wasn't him... he wasn't even in town to submit orders then. If so, that's likely a mafioso who got killed or lynched early on without us knowing it.
If you're keeping track, YLC also claims to be totally neutral (capable of winning with either side), not exclusively pro-town. Given the current situation in the game though, and the aid he has provided in tracking down killers, I believe he has decided to side with the town.
Also, read towards the end of my long post. CCRunner claims the sword/shield/spear kill on N1 wasn't him... he wasn't even in town to submit orders then. If so, that's likely a mafioso who got killed or lynched early on without us knowing it.
Hey now, I said we should be open with each other, not with everyone else :angry:
I really thought we had something going TC, somehting special that no one could take from us, and then you go and do this...:disappointed:
If you're keeping track, YLC also claims to be totally neutral (capable of winning with either side), not exclusively pro-town. Given the current situation in the game though, and the aid he has provided in tracking down killers, I believe he has decided to side with the town.
Also, read towards the end of my long post. CCRunner claims the sword/shield/spear kill on N1 wasn't him... he wasn't even in town to submit orders then. If so, that's likely a mafioso who got killed or lynched early on without us knowing it.
So there is another Spartan? :inquisitive:
For some reason, these roles don't seem quite balanced.
So there is another Spartan? :inquisitive:
For some reason, these roles don't seem quite balanced.
I believe there were 300 of them :smartass2:
Hey now, I said we should be open with each other, not with everyone else :angry:
I really thought we had something going TC, somehting special that no one could take from us, and then you go and do this...:disappointed:
Why are you uncomfortable with that information being known? :inquisitive:
Why are you uncomfortable with that information being known? :inquisitive:
It's a joke TC, lighten up :laugh4: I am here to have fun, aren't you?
So there is another Spartan? :inquisitive:
For some reason, these roles don't seem quite balanced.
Well, it is possible that that N1 kill was the corpse-killer before any corpses existed. Without having a mythological character to tie the corpse-killer to, it's hard to tell.
Am I the only one in this game who didn't get a flashy role?
'khaan :mean:
YLC is neutral, hm?
I remember some neutral guy in Netherworld I who was able to resurrect 2 townies after having killed 4.
Am I the only one in this game who didn't get a flashy role?
'khaan :mean:
I'm not so flashy as lustrous ~:flirt:
YLC is neutral, hm?
I remember some neutral guy in Netherworld I who was able to resurrect 2 townies after having killed 4.
Hey, I was never neutral. I never even claimed neutral.
Hey, I was never neutral. I never even claimed neutral.
So, you suggest we don't lynch the Illusion Daemon?
Hey, I was never neutral. I never even claimed neutral.
Only Mafia.
Joke. Haven't a clue you are or not.
So, you suggest we don't lynch the Illusion Daemon?
As of now, yes. We have at least one vanilla mafioso out there, and YLC has the most accurate method of finding them. I do not believe this game has ever had any detectives, so we should make the most of the resources we have. If Lamia dies and the game keeps going, I would probably support a lynch of YLC at that point.
As of now, yes. We have at least one vanilla mafioso out there, and YLC has the most accurate method of finding them. I do not believe this game has ever had any detectives, so we should make the most of the resources we have. If Lamia dies and the game keeps going, I would probably support a lynch of YLC at that point.
As would I. I told TC that if the game continues afterward with the Death of Lamia, then it'll likely be me who is holding it up, or a clever plot by the mafia to ruin all the fun I've had so far in this game :laugh4:
:laugh4:
If the mafia is smart and lucky, then I see where this game is going. You're not going to see any more kills by Yama until you've lynched YLC after killing the Lamia.
And all the while, you're going to continue thinking that I was Yama, because he's not killing. You know, all they have to do is find Garuda, and you're all screwed.
You know, all they have to do is find Garuda, and you're all screwed.
Interesting that you didn't say we're all screwed. I'll take that as confirmation that you don't win with the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 17:29
Interesting that you didn't say we're all screwed. I'll take that as confirmation that you don't win with the town.
And he didn't say "all we have to do is find Geruda" :book:
And he didn't say "all we have to do is find Geruda" :book:
So it's impossible he isn't an independent :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 17:31
So it's impossible he isn't an independent :laugh4:
What's that you say, Mr. YL-"I never said I was 3rd party, you naive fool"-C?
And he didn't say "all we have to do is find Geruda" :book:
Worth noting that you were insistent that we give Chaotix a chance to resurrect someone to prove himself. If Chaotix is by chance telling the truth about not being Yama, then my money is on him being Hades. That fits well with a role that claims the ability to resurrect, especially when mafo-Sasaki was pleading for that to be allowed to happen. :yes:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 17:33
Worth noting that you were insistent that we give Chaotix a chance to resurrect someone to prove himself. If Chaotix is by chance telling the truth about not being Yama, then my money is on him being Hades. That fits well with a role that claims the ability to resurrect. :yes:
I claimed he was either a pro town role or a mafia role that could resurrect :beam:
No, I am town.
I'm just not helping. Without the ability to reveal anything, bring people back to life, or any of the other fun stuff that comes with being alive, I can't do a whole lot to help you out. If I see something obvious that you all missed, I'll point it out, but otherwise I'm now useless.
But I'm not feeling particularly helpful to the town that lynched their reviver right now.
But I'm not feeling particularly helpful to the town that lynched their reviver right now.
You have only yourself to blame for your lynch. Act scummy, get lynched; that's how the game works. If you were actually pro-town, you'd be helping instead of taunting and trying to confuse. That's what the rest of us do when we die.
What's that you say, Mr. YL-"I never said I was 3rd party, you naive fool"-C?
Your only a third party if you consider yourself that. I was neural, could side with whomever I wanted, but chose town because I knew the town would need me, and it's much more fun to get mafioso angsty at you for ruining their master plans.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 17:43
You have only yourself to blame for your lynch. Act scummy, get lynched; that's how the game works. If you were actually pro-town, you'd be helping instead of taunting and trying to confuse. That's what the rest of us do when we die.
Your only a third party if you consider yourself that. I was neural, could side with whomever I wanted, but chose town because I knew the town would need me, and it's much more fun to get mafioso angsty at you for ruining their master plans.
You guys are priceless :laugh4:
seireikhaan
01-18-2010, 17:43
Er....
Just as a reminder- this is the day phase. Y'all can vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 17:44
Er....
Just as a reminder- this is the day phase. Y'all can vote.
If I consider myself to have voting ability, can I vote?
You have only yourself to blame for your lynch. Act scummy, get lynched; that's how the game works. If you were actually pro-town, you'd be helping instead of taunting and trying to confuse. That's what the rest of us do when we die.
You are quite correct. Had I not trusted you with my role information, I would still be alive right now.
And I'm not trying to confuse anyone. Rather, I know people are not going to listen to me no matter what I say, because they all think I am mafia. Instead, I am making predictions for posterity that I will come back and quote once the game is over. If you actually take heed of the warnings instead of just ignoring me, you might be better off.
You are quite correct. Had I not trusted you with my role information, I would still be alive right now.
No, that was fine. It was trusting that info to 2 other people who were about to be lynched, plus putting in a huge effort to save Sasaki that made you scummy.
Er....
Just as a reminder- this is the day phase. Y'all can vote.
True, time to stop being distracted by dead mafioso.
Vote: Winston Hughes
Refrained from voting for Sasaki with a scumtastic neutral excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2412017&postcount=603). Refrained from voting for Chaotix with the exact same scumtastic neutral excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414956&postcount=715). Also, specifically named by Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414914&postcount=707) as one of his 'townie sacrifices', which would fit with Chaotix laying the groundwork for one of his scum buddies. Also, I recall several other people saying he was acting scummy earlier in the game.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 18:32
Refrained from voting for Sasaki
:coffeenews:
True, time to stop being distracted by dead mafioso.
Vote: Winston Hughes
Refrained from voting for Sasaki with a scumtastic neutral excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2412017&postcount=603). Refrained from voting for Chaotix with the exact same scumtastic neutral excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414956&postcount=715). Also, specifically named by Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414914&postcount=707) as one of his 'townie sacrifices', which would fit with Chaotix laying the groundwork for one of his scum buddies. Also, I recall several other people saying he was acting scummy earlier in the game.
Alright, you want me to help the town, TinCow, so that's what I'm doing here.
I cannot tell you that Winston is a confirmed townie. However, lynching him would be an irrational move. I made Winston reveal to me in round one in order to save his life, and he claimed townie (as he did in the thread as well, so no rule-breaking there I hope- please stop me if I'm crossing the line khaan :bow:).
Now, if he was mafia, he would have claimed pro-town and tried to get me to revive him. As a townie, I was prepared to let him die, but when I saw the opportunity to save him I seized it, because it meant I could use him later as a sacrifice to bring back a pro-town.
He is probably a basic townie. At the time he revealed to me, it was unlikely he was going to survive at all, so as a mafia he would have leaped at the chance. He also didn't believe my own claim until after the round was over.
On the other hand, I will admit it is entirely possible he is mafia and just slipped by me. I'd say he has about as much chance of being mafia as anyone else who is currently alive.
Either way, I would suggest the town not follow TinCow blindly, as he appears to be prone to making bad decisions. We appear to have the upper hand now, but we should keep it that way by making well-thought-out choices and not senselessly bandwagoning. We have lost almost as many pro-town roles as we have killed mafia.
johnhughthom
01-18-2010, 19:06
Vote: Winston Hughes
I really like that name.
Winston Hughes
01-18-2010, 19:07
True, time to stop being distracted by dead mafioso.
Vote: Winston Hughes
Refrained from voting for Sasaki with a scumtastic neutral excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2412017&postcount=603). Refrained from voting for Chaotix with the exact same scumtastic neutral excuse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414956&postcount=715). Also, specifically named by Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414914&postcount=707) as one of his 'townie sacrifices', which would fit with Chaotix laying the groundwork for one of his scum buddies. Also, I recall several other people saying he was acting scummy earlier in the game.
I refrained from voting for Sasaki and Chaotix because it was blatantly obvious that they were going to get lynched anyway, and piling more votes on does nothing for the innocent cause.
But I'm not going to bother defending myself any further - I've wasted enough effort doing that already, and it doesn't seem to help.
However, lynching him would be an irrational move.
Sorry, I didn't realize that voting based on another person's voting pattern and statements was irrational. I though that was considered the basis of good mafia-hunting.
I made Winston reveal to me in round one in order to save his life, and he claimed townie ... Now, if he was mafia, he would have claimed pro-town and tried to get me to revive him. As a townie, I was prepared to let him die, but when I saw the opportunity to save him I seized it, because it meant I could use him later as a sacrifice to bring back a pro-town.
Let me get this straight, you're saying that claiming to be a townie on Day 1 is good evidence that you're innocent?
On the other hand, I will admit it is entirely possible he is mafia and just slipped by me. I'd say he has about as much chance of being mafia as anyone else who is currently alive.
Then why did you even write all of this? If he has as much of a chance of being mafia as anyone else, why go through all this effort to defend him? That's a lot of text for someone who "has about as much chance of being mafia as anyone else." :inquisitive:
Winston Hughes
01-18-2010, 19:39
You're right about one thing, TC: whether I was mafia, plain-town, or power-town, I would've said the same thing to Chaotix when he contacted me. My actions could only be an argument in my favour if I was actually stupid enough to fall into such a trap in the first place.
By the way, since you've decided to lynch me anyway - and I'm not going to resist - what say you spend the rest of the day calling out some lurkers? At least get everyone to say a few words as they condemn me to the noose.
ps. There's a cookie in it for the first person to correctly guess what defence I would make for myself if I could be bothered with the effort. ~:)
:coffeenews:
Since you're not helping the town in any way, I can only assume you were indeed a mafioso.
Anyway, Winston, since you won't bother defending yourself, care to attack somebody?
You were pretty keen on lynching johnhughtom; do you still feel the same? Why should we lynch him? Do you have other suspects?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 19:47
Since you're not helping the town in any way, I can only assume you were indeed a mafioso.
So you are convinced that Winston is guilty?
So you are convinced that Winston is guilty?
No, I'm not. In fact, I did a quick re-read on johnhughtom and, to my surprise, there wasn't much to read. Each of his posts are as good as without content. Maybe Winston is on to something.
I am however convinced that you're not really helping. You're not the type to hold grudges against the town because they lynched you wrongfully, so I assume you were indeed mafia.
I'm also very curious to see if ACIN will post in this round to avoid the Wrath of 'khaan or not.
Winston Hughes
01-18-2010, 20:03
You were pretty keen on lynching johnhughtom; do you still feel the same?
That's not strictly correct. I voted to lynch him, but never made any real effort to convince anyone else to do likewise. If I was more certain of his guilt, I would have made a proper case, but there's simply nothing to go on there. That's the beauty of staying quiet, isn't it?
All I can say against him is that he's been keeping a low profile throughout, and has avoided engaging in anything that looks like discussion. Now, on the one hand, that seems to be the only smart way to play in this game (since saying anything substantive makes you a vote magnet), so I can't blame him for that.
On the other hand, though, I feel it's remiss of us to let people get away with it, and john just struck me as the most suspicious of the quiet ones. There's something about the punctuality of his votes that suggests he's paying more attention than you'd think from his posts.
Do you have other suspects?
Nope. And since I've got nothing to offer the innocent cause, and no way of proving my innocence, you might as well agree to lynch me now, and then spend the rest of the day forcing quiet people to justify themselves. Whoever doesn't talk enough, you can lynch them tomorrow.
vote: winston hughes
Whoever votes for someone and has a large wall of text to support it MUST be right. :brood:
Ok it wasn't even a large block, but it looks shiny.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 20:08
No, I'm not. In fact, I did a quick re-read on johnhughtom and, to my surprise, there wasn't much to read. Each of his posts are as good as without content. Maybe Winston is on to something.
I am however convinced that you're not really helping. You're not the type to hold grudges against the town because they lynched you wrongfully, so I assume you were indeed mafia.
I'm only "not helping" if there is good reason to think winston is guilty.
Vote:ACIN
Aw, Wrath of Khaan is to slow - go for a direct lynch :yes:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 20:12
Vote:ACIN
Aw, Wrath of Khaan is to slow - go for a direct lynch :yes:
If he's about to be wogged it's a waste.
I'm only "not helping" if there is good reason to think winston is guilty.
Would you vote johnhughtom if you were still alive?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2010, 20:22
Would you vote johnhughtom if you were still alive?
I might go for woad and fangs, because I'm inherently suspicious of people who offer to sacrifice themselves for no reason.
I'm not convinced of the case against Winston and don't wanna punish him for defending himself. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
So I'll go with the second choice provided. Vote : johnhughtom.
Askthepizzaguy
01-18-2010, 23:52
Your only a third party if you consider yourself that. I was neural, could side with whomever I wanted, but chose town because I knew the town would need me, and it's much more fun to get mafioso angsty at you for ruining their master plans.
:yes:
I've been neutral in about 4 or 5 games now, and went town every time, except for the very first time in a Yoyoma game that purportedly, you couldn't win.
All votes have been good choices. There is the possibility YLC is a Mafia-role, but not on the same team as the Mafia. Winston has been susipicious and so has johnhughthom.
I will vote: johnhughthom for now, as YLC would most likely help us find another Mafiaso.
pevergreen
01-19-2010, 00:23
BANZAI
Vote: Sigurd
John is too cool to be mafia, vote for someone else. :yes:
Or don't you choose.
:laugh4:
johnhughthom
01-19-2010, 08:36
John is too cool to be mafia, vote for someone else. :yes:
An odd argument, but thank you anyway.:beam:
Someone might want to break this tie so we can keep the game moving:
Winston Hughes: 3 (TinCow, johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury)
johnhughtom: 3 (Andres, Joooray, Beskar)
Sigurd: 1 (pevergreen)
Joooray: 1 (Psychonaut)
YLC: 1 (woad&fangs)
ACIN: 1 (YLC)
A1_Unit: 1 (A1_Unit)
Not Voting: 7 (ACIN, Centurion1, Double A, Kralizec, scottishranger, Sigurd, Winston Hughes) :whip:
Unvote:, Vote: Winston Hughes
To make it a landslide - vote: Winston Hughes.
The theory is that Chaotix is Hades right? and he doesn't want us to lynch Winston Hughes.
Well... I know that you can't trust Hades. :sweatdrop:
Winston Hughes
01-19-2010, 18:42
So I'm doomed, eh?
The last time I got lynched was in my very first mafia-type game, Renata's NotW: The War Party at CFC. That time it didn't kill me (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=7953776&postcount=692), though, so this will be my first ever real lynching. I'm actually quite excited at the prospect.
Double A
01-19-2010, 19:31
If you are, then vote: WH
Winston Hughes
01-19-2010, 19:45
If you are, then vote: WH
No, I won't vote against myself. I only vote for people I know to be innocent when I'm a villain.
Double A
01-19-2010, 19:46
No that was my vote. You can do whatever you want with yours.
unvote, vote:A1_Unit Listen everybody: either lynch me or send me a visit from the SKs - I demand it!
seireikhaan
01-19-2010, 22:37
Whoops, my bad. Forgot I gave this phase 36 hours instead of 48. :embarassed:
Since it was host error, I'll count the most recent votes. Day is over.
seireikhaan
01-19-2010, 23:12
The mood at the gathering had improved a bit since the last. Many claimed victory in sight, though a few cautioned against any unknown power. Governor-General Yasei was merely interested in results. And results had told him a bloodbath occurred during the previous watch. So once more, he dictated to the encamped to deliver to him another assassin. When the tally was gathered by his scribe, one by the name of Winston Hughes was held most guilty. When Yasei pointed at him, demanding he stand before him, Winston shrugged, then said "Sure, why not?"
"Great, another insolent one..." Yasei thought to himself. Winston willingly knelt before his executor. Figuring he would gladly oblige, Yasei gripped his sword in both hands, and carved Winston in half at the waist. The scribe walked up to Yasei and whispered in his ear, then pointed to the parchment. "Ah, right," he responded, nodding. He stepped down from his elevated position, walked into the crowd. Against the wall was Centurion1, who had been playing some game against himself that seemed to involve placing four coins consecutively on the floor, while his imaginary opponent was attempting to place "his" own coins in the same manner. Centurion did not even look up at the Governor-General before him. "Tsk, tsk..." Yasei shook his head. Gripping the sword once more, he swung it in an overhead fashion, splitting Centurion's skull.
He stood erect, and proclaimed, "LET THAT BE A WARNING TO THE REST OF YOU! THIS IS NOT A GAME! IF YOU AREN'T WITH US TRYING TO HELP, YOU'RE DEAD WEIGHT! NOW BACK TO YOUR WATCHES!"
Not needing to be told twice, the remaining encampment shuffled out of the main hall with haste.
Tally:
Winston Hughes: 6 (Double A, YLC, SigurdTinCow, johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury)
johnhughtom: 3 (Andres, Joooray, Beskar)
Sigurd: 1 (pevergreen)
Joooray: 1 (Psychonaut)
YLC: 1 (woad&fangs)
A1_Unit: 1 (A1_Unit)
Alive: 16
A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Beskar
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
woad&fangs
YLC
Slain: 17
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
Lynched: 6
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
Wrath of Khaan: 1
Centurion1 (D6)
PLEASE SEND NIGHT ORDERS ASAP. I WANT THEM IN 25 HOURS, NO LATER.
Winston Hughes
01-19-2010, 23:48
Well done to those of you who successfully deduced that I was, in fact, the arch-villain. I don't know how you figured me out. I guess it was the fact that I didn't spend the whole time hiding in the background and trying not to be noticed. I must remember that for next time. :rolleyes:
Double A
01-20-2010, 01:52
Cent got more wok than he bargained for.
Well done to those of you who successfully deduced that I was, in fact, the arch-villain. I don't know how you figured me out. I guess it was the fact that I didn't spend the whole time hiding in the background and trying not to be noticed. I must remember that for next time. :rolleyes:
Good news, looks like Lamia is dead then.
Winston Hughes
01-20-2010, 08:46
Good news, looks like Lamia is dead then.
Congratulations! I'm genuinely confused as to whether you actually believe that, or whether you're just trying to out-sarcasm me. :2thumbsup:
For the sake of the remaining townies, however, I suppose I should clarify that I was not any kind of villain. I was exactly what I said I was: a powerless innocent.
Congratulations! I'm genuinely confused as to whether you actually believe that, or whether you're just trying to out-sarcasm me. :2thumbsup:
For the sake of the remaining townies, however, I suppose I should clarify that I was not any kind of villain. I was exactly what I said I was: a powerless innocent.
Mistakes happen all the time in mafia games :shrug:
We always lynch more innocents than guilty ones. Of course, it's always possible you were indeed mafia and you're now playing the upset innocent townie role.
Only time will tell.
Winston Hughes
01-20-2010, 19:28
Mistakes happen all the time in mafia games :shrug:
Of course. The question in this game is just how many mistakes have been made already, and how many will be made in the remainder of the game?
The town's reasons for targeting me were not encouraging. I was lynched for behaving in a way likely to aid the town: speaking up, rather than just hiding in the corner; calling people out for trying to hide, rather than jumping on easy bandwagons; answering everyone who spoke to me, rather than simply ignoring them.
If I'd wanted to, I could have made it very unlikely you would've lynched me here - it's not for no reason that I've gone 9 months of playing games like this without getting myself hanged. But playing safe like that would just add to the easy cover the villains have here amongst the quiet ones, and do absolutely nothing to aid the innocent cause.
Most importantly, though, you guys put me to the test on two previous occasions, and still didn't lynch me. Doing so a third time, whilst plenty of people have managed to avoid being challenged at all, is not a sensible way to go about catching the mafia imo.
The town's reasons for targeting me were not encouraging. I was lynched for behaving in a way likely to aid the town: speaking up, rather than just hiding in the corner; calling people out for trying to hide, rather than jumping on easy bandwagons; answering everyone who spoke to me, rather than simply ignoring them.
You are either mischaracterizing or misunderstanding the case against you. It had nothing to do with you speaking up. It was mainly due to the reasons you gave for your votes during the lynchings of Sasaki (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2412017&postcount=603) and Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414956&postcount=715). In both of those votes, you made statements indicating that you approved of the lynch choice, but then voted for a different person. That is an easy way for a mafioso to appear like they are joining in the vote against one of their allies, while still working towards getting someone else lynched. If you had straight up disagreed with the votes on them, or if you had said the same thing but voted for them as well, I likely would not have voted for you.
GeneralHankerchief
01-20-2010, 21:16
It's never this easy, people. Hopefully you guys will get your act together by the endgame, but I somehow doubt it.
You are either mischaracterizing or misunderstanding the case against you. It had nothing to do with you speaking up. It was mainly due to the reasons you gave for your votes during the lynchings of Sasaki (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2412017&postcount=603) and Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2414956&postcount=715). In both of those votes, you made statements indicating that you approved of the lynch choice, but then voted for a different person. That is an easy way for a mafioso to appear like they are joining in the vote against one of their allies, while still working towards getting someone else lynched. If you had straight up disagreed with the votes on them, or if you had said the same thing but voted for them as well, I likely would not have voted for you.
If he would have really wanted to have someone else lynched instead of Sasaki or Chaotix, then he would have done more effort, imo.
In the post you quoted he mentioned (rightly so) that Sasaki and Chaotix were as good as lynched. He then put his vote on johnhughtom, who wasn't exactly the second top suspect. If he would have tried to get someone else lynched, he'd have chosen Diamondeye to build a case against.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-20-2010, 21:27
It's never this easy, people. Hopefully you guys will get your act together by the endgame, but I somehow doubt it.
Sometimes the town gets a lucky break. Like in the godfather part I, where they lynched sigurd right off the bat realized he was mafia because the kills dropped, and then connected other people to that lynch.
If he would have really wanted to have someone else lynched instead of Sasaki or Chaotix, then he would have done more effort, imo.
In the post you quoted he mentioned (rightly so) that Sasaki and Chaotix were as good as lynched. He then put his vote on johnhughtom, who wasn't exactly the second top suspect. If he would have tried to get someone else lynched, he'd have chosen Diamondeye to build a case against.
That's a good defense. A shame it was not brought up until 24 hours after he was lynched.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-20-2010, 21:32
That's a good defense. A shame it was not brought up until 24 hours after he was lynched.
Mighty suspicious of Andres. Perhaps he's in on this GH-Sasaki-Chaotix-Winston connection. He didn't want to defend his partner while he was in danger for fear of being tied to him, but he was upset by it and can't resist pointing out the flaws in the case now.
Mighty suspicious of Andres. Perhaps he's in on this GH-Sasaki-Chaotix-Winston connection. He didn't want to defend his partner while he was in danger for fear of being tied to him, but he was upset by it and can't resist pointing out the flaws in the case now.
Meh, I was paying too much attention to a dead Sasaki and got distracted.
pevergreen needs more attention next round.
Sometimes the town gets a lucky break. Like in the godfather part I, where they lynched sigurd right off the bat realized he was mafia because the kills dropped, and then connected other people to that lynch.
Lies and more lies... GeneralHankerchief was the Godfather and he lead the bandwagon to shut me up. I knew your beloved CoP had a darker secret and had to hold my peace as a dead man.
Winston was the correct lynch this round... :smash:
seireikhaan
01-20-2010, 21:59
Alright, no more orders will be taken. Writeup started.
seireikhaan
01-20-2010, 22:33
It was quiet, for once. It was dark all around. There was no sound. No light. No distractions. Just thoughts. Just contemplation. Just peace. The pure essence of nothing.
Then, a bright light shone upon the person. They rubbed their eyes. A brilliant, red light shone from above. A winged being descended from the pillar of light, slowly. It opened its arms to the one below.
"Greetings, my beloved one."
They sat unmoving, staring at the wondrous being descending.
"I have chosen you, amongst many. I will lift you up on my shoulders, and together, we shall throw off the shackles of the oppressors! You and I shall bind the planes of existence. The worlds are in chaos, at war. Come with me, and end this. All the realms shall kneel to one ruler. Why should they all have their own rulers, their own systems, their own customs?"
The winged being stood before them, and the light dimmed. Brilliant red eyes lit up its dark face like lighthouses lighting up the dark and chaotic sea.
"The worlds have grown too far apart. Look at what has happened here. Gods war against demons. Man has already been drawn into the conflict, and it shall soon explode in a hellfire. This is naught but the beginning. When both have found that agents on all sides have been vanquished, they shall grow desperate. They shall attempt to strike a quick blow, and end each other."
They nodded in awed agreement. This being made... sense. More than the gods, or the demons have in their fruitless quests.
"They are sowing the seeds of their own destruction. When they are finished, all the planes of existence shall be ablaze. Join me. Be my vehicle. Let us, together, end this insanity. Let us unite the planes beneath us. Let us join them together. Gods, demons, men. All will know my name. All will kneel before me. And when I am done, I shall be generous to those that favored me. You shall be my chosen one, my beloved. You will be my top of command, given greater reward than all others. Come, let us end the chaos. Let us bind the worlds. And when we are done, there shall be peace...."
They nodded. They stepped forward, and the winged being put its arm on its shoulder. The brilliant red light shone once more. And together, they ascended...
Alive: 16
A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Beskar
Double A
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
pevergreen
Psychonaut
scottishranger
Sigurd
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
woad&fangs
YLC
Slain: 17
A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)
Captain C (N2)
splitpersonality (N2)
slashandburn (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N3)
Peasant Phill (N3)
Yaropolk (N3)
Csargo (N3)
Beefy187 (N4)
Diamondeye (N5)
Cultured Drizzt fan (N5)
Sprig (N5)
Scienter (N6)
CCRunner (N6)
atheotes (N6)
Lynched: 6
Seon (D1)
Askthepizzaguy (D2)
GeneralHankerchief (D3)
Sasaki Kojiro (D4)
Chaotix (D5)
Winston Hughes (D6)
Wrath of Khaan: 1
Centurion1 (D6)
I'M GIVING THIS DAY PHASE 48 HOURS!
My interpretation of that write-up is that someone just got recruited into an independent faction.
Scienter
01-20-2010, 23:02
My interpretation of that write-up is that someone just got recruited into an independent faction.
Sounds like someone got resurrected.
Askthepizzaguy
01-20-2010, 23:04
If that's the case, Khaan hasn't updated the alive/dead list. Still the same 16 alive players.
pevergreen
01-20-2010, 23:37
pevergreen needs more attention next round.
:yes:
Winston Hughes
01-21-2010, 00:40
That's a good defense. A shame it was not brought up until 24 hours after he was lynched.
I did bring it up:
I refrained from voting for Sasaki and Chaotix because it was blatantly obvious that they were going to get lynched anyway, and piling more votes on does nothing for the innocent cause.
The only thing I didn't mention was the fact that johnhughthom was not a likely alternative lynchee, but that should have been obvious to you, being the person who concieved and executed the two unstoppable lynches I got fingered for stepping out of line on.
Double A
01-21-2010, 01:01
:yes:
Hi pever, how have you been doing lately?
No deaths, surely good, aye winston? :egypt:
Winston Hughes
01-21-2010, 01:32
No deaths, surely good, aye winston? :egypt:
You know, I hadn't even noticed that.
:idea2: Perhaps all the mafia are caught now, and the game is over. Someone better tell Yaseikhaan, though. We wouldn't want him carrying on for no reason.
woad&fangs
01-21-2010, 02:42
vote: YLC
There is a 1/16 chance you just got recruited in the write up. Add that to the fact you're already a creepy and powerful third party role and I think you are the best lynch choice.
pevergreen
01-21-2010, 02:46
Hi pever, how have you been doing lately?
Not great.
Trying to convince a christian lady that the world won't end if she dates someone.
Double A
01-21-2010, 02:52
I'm sorry but :laugh4:
You know, I hadn't even noticed that.
:idea2: Perhaps all the mafia are caught now, and the game is over. Someone better tell Yaseikhaan, though. We wouldn't want him carrying on for no reason.
Well, you could have still been a Mafia. Since you know, the are other roles in the game, such as YLC who is neutral, and being neutral, it could mean he has to be defeated for the game to end. It is a possibility.
vote: YLC
There is a 1/16 chance you just got recruited in the write up. Add that to the fact you're already a creepy and powerful third party role and I think you are the best lynch choice.
What makes you think pro town power roles can be recruited?
Since you know, the are other roles in the game, such as YLC who is neutral, and being neutral, it could mean he has to be defeated for the game to end. It is a possibility.
Same could be said for TinCow, no?
I am with Andres on this...
Maybe Beskar got recruited by woad&fangs or the other way around? I am reminded of a rhyme about a fart and the first one who notices...
The stink is close to you two :laugh4:
vote: woad&fangs who brought it up first.
Vote : Beskar
Let's see how they react.
pevergreen hasn't contributed much more than a few one liners here and there, a bit similar to johnhughtom.
Are you guys going to talk and post something substantial or do you feel comfortable in your silence as long as it doesn't look like you're going to be lynched?
I don't get your argument.
pevergreen
01-21-2010, 11:57
Are you guys going to talk and post something substantial or do you feel comfortable in your silence as long as it doesn't look like you're going to be lynched?
Yeah, i'm good with how i'm going.
So a neutral with wings and red light who has recruited someone. I'm fairly certain it can't be TinCow. It could be YLC, but he acts completely differently. And I doubt he'd have recruitment ability as well. My gut says:
Vote: Andres
I don't get your argument.
It's just odd that you look at YLC as a possible neutral power role with his own victory conditions, but you don't mention TinCow as a possible neutral role with his own victory conditions.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-21-2010, 15:34
I'm thinking Sigurd should be lynched.
I'm thinking Sigurd should be lynched.
Why?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-21-2010, 15:53
Why?
Someone was recruited, and Sigurd's comments about woad being the first to mention it are suspicious, because TinCow mentioned it first and it sounds like the comment of someone who, as mafia, wouldn't bring it up first.
Someone was recruited, and Sigurd's comments about woad being the first to mention it are suspicious, because TinCow mentioned it first and it sounds like the comment of someone who, as mafia, wouldn't bring it up first.
Following that line of thought, it's interesting to see how Sigurd does not mention TinCow. Doesn't that point to a connection between TinCow and Sigurd or am I reading too much in it?
Following that line of thought, it's interesting to see how Sigurd does not mention TinCow. Doesn't that point to a connection between TinCow and Sigurd or am I reading too much in it?
Your reading to much into it.
Also, GH, Sasaki - preemptive sorry if we were wrong about you.
Someone was recruited, and Sigurd's comments about woad being the first to mention it are suspicious, because TinCow mentioned it first and it sounds like the comment of someone who, as mafia, wouldn't bring it up first.
What is this? First the comment about me being a mafia in Godfather I and now this? :beam:
The narration stands on its own legs ... but it was the insinuation that YLC had to be recruited that got my nose twitching. It would have been a better case - had w&f claimed YLC recruited someone - or even TinCow recruiting someone... But no, he insisted that YLC got recruited.
I just put Beskar into the accusation to see if someone reacted... and someone did. Beskar is playing his careful self. Last time I played against him I believed he was townie when playing like this - I was sorely mistaken.
Right now - I think w&f is in the informed minority or his statement makes logically little sense. In this I agreed with Andres - and put a vote on w&f.
A bit uncharacteristic going out on a limb protecting your mafia brothers like this Sasaki... :inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
01-21-2010, 16:56
Also, GH, Sasaki - preemptive sorry if we were wrong about you.
Hooray! It only took 5 rounds! :laugh4:
Although what I still don't get is why you were so averse to my half-joking suggestion of putting your vote on yourself in the very first round.
It's just odd that you look at YLC as a possible neutral power role with his own victory conditions, but you don't mention TinCow as a possible neutral role with his own victory conditions.
I never suggested that at all, you know me better than that, Andres. I merely commented that YLC is the most susipicious choice at this moment. I never mentioned Sigurd as a Mafia, or yourself, or Joe Bloggs, does that make it even more susipicious? Don't be so foolish.
Anyway, since YLC decides to vote for me when I didn't even vote him, I think I pushed him enough for him to expose his true colours, it is funny he goes from "Why vote for Beskar?That is untowny like" earlier to suddenly "Vote: Beskar" when I suspected him.
Vote: YLC
Obviously scum.
Because you are a potential threat, Lamia :wink:
Your so cute too ~:flirt:
Because you are a potential threat, Lamia :wink:
Your so cute too ~:flirt:
Sorry to disappoint, I didn't even know who Lamia was untill some one posted a wikipedia link.
Also, Sigurd is more my type ~:flirt:
Sorry to disappoint, I didn't even know who Lamia was untill some one posted a wikipedia link.
Also, Sigurd is more my type ~:flirt:
Oh come, now, you try to hide it so much yet it's plainly obvious :wink:
Oh come, now, you try to hide it so much yet it's plainly obvious :wink:
In the words of a certain mafia player.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes:
Because you are a potential threat, Lamia :wink:
Your so cute too ~:flirt:
You have anything to back that claim up?
You have anything to back that claim up?
He hasn't, because it is fundamentally impossible, as I don't have any abilities. :laugh4:
If he tries to say otherwise, it would just reveal him to be a liar and therefore should be lynched.
You have anything to back that claim up?
Evidence presented to me during the night. Can't say my sources, but I can confirm that he is indeed Lamia. I also know that this investigator has confirmed TC's status as protown, and that Beskar may be the last mafioso alive.
I am only angry at the investigator because he contacted me first, not TC. Beskars just mad because he has been had, and he's behaving just like he did in Khaan's previous game.
Evidence presented to me during the night. Can't say my sources, but I can confirm that he is indeed Lamia. I also know that this investigator has confirmed TC's status as protown, and that Beskar may be the last mafioso alive.
I am only angry at the investigator because he contacted me first, not TC. Beskars just mad because he has been had, and he's behaving just like he did in Khaan's previous game.
:laugh4: :rolleyes:
Hilarious, you invent an investigator out of the air like that and by surprise, they only contact you and not TinCow. Mysteriously, I wonder how you pull all this out after I mentioned I suspected you.
Though, since then, I learnt that 'khaan doesn't do or like investigators and never puts them in the game. Also funny that as I said, they only speak to you, and not TinCow, who by all accounts, looks far more trust worthy than you. Also, even more amusing still, atheotes (Mafiaso, the Wolf-Boy) also claimed he was an investigator.
Also, there was that futurama game I believe you said that same. I know exactly what you are doing. What you do is this. You get caught out then you just argue and pretend the other person is infact the scum, and try to paint them in as low opinion as possible. Sorry YLC, you are digging your own ditch today.
~:wave:
:laugh4: :rolleyes:
Hilarious, you invent an investigator out of the air like that and by surprise, they only contact you and not TinCow. Mysteriously, I wonder how you pull all this out after I mentioned I suspected you.
Speaking of Khaan's game, I invented up a investigator when I was a mafiaso as well. It is funny that you did the same.
Well, I could reveal the investigator's actual results, but I am not sure Khaan would allow that. Suffice it to say - you rank higher, based upon how results are given, then any protown role, yet lower then neutrals, such as me. All those who fall into your power bandwidth are capable of killing, meaning your Lamia.
The following people had roles that the investigator is aware of -
Atheotes
Beskar
Chaotix
Diamondeye
TinCow
Yaropolk
YLC
The following do not have a power role, and are alive
Double A
pevergreen
Andres
Also, TC knows of all the investigation results, as I shared them with him, and he confirm. It's not my fault none of you will believe, you'll only have to blame it upon yourselves.
Diamondeye and Yaropolk had roles? :inquisitive:
Well, I know I didn't have a role, so I can safely say I am not Lamia.
atheotes - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
chaotix - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
tincow - roleblock (everyone knows that)
yourself(YLC) - neutral/sk nexus (everyone knows that)
Looks bogus, just like you. Especially as Khaan doesn't do investigator ones and wouldn't have one in a game with 4 mafia, with a pro-town Vig, Roleblock, Doctor, etc, nevermind the roles such as your "neutral" unkillable.
Diamondeye and Yaropolk had roles? :inquisitive:
Well, I know I didn't have a role.
atheotes - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
chaotix - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
tincow - roleblock (everyone knows that)
yourself(YLC) - neutral/sk nexus (everyone knows that)
So looks like random names.
Yaropolk is/was int he same bandwidth of power as I was, obviously with different abilities. Diamondeye is in your power bandwidth, and thus a mafioso. Chaotix is not a mafioso, or at least a ridiculously underpowered one considering this game - he falls into the same power bandwidth as TC.
You, however, are in the mafioso power bandwidth, and the longer this game drags on without kills as you try harder to frame me, the longer me, TC, and the investigator have to find all the roles, and then have a nice roster to single you out.
So, go ahead, continue to play your game - everyone will know I am right, you are wrong, once the endgame comes and Khaan posts his game summary, along with the roles.
You, however, are in the mafioso power bandwidth, and the longer this game drags on without kills as you try harder to frame me, the longer me, TC, and the investigator have to find all the roles, and then have a nice roster to single you out.
So, go ahead, continue to play your game - everyone will know I am right, you are wrong, once the endgame comes and Khaan posts his game summary, along with the roles.
Things I noticed in this:
"frame me" - So I posted saying I was susipicious of you, then you do nothing about it, untill Andres/Sigurd says something, babbling with faslehoods untill Andres directly asks you for evidence. Then you mysteriously provide "investigator" results.
"longer the game drags on without kills" - Very interesting considering only one night has no kills in, and spoke of some sort of 'recruitment' session. Are you predicting that there won't be any more kills, as you are directly involved and know there won't be any kills? Interesting phrase you used here. It seems you got information no one else possesses.
Very interesting YLC, you keep coming out with all these things
Edit: Also, something I am curious about, why are you meant to be in this "vastly more powerful than everyone else" band. Also in the write-up, it spoke about some so called greater power recruiting. Could that be you then, in your own words exposing yourself?
Well, the way I see it, YLC has still status of a neutral and thus I trust him more than somebody who's alliance is unknown. Thus I'll follow his lead for now and Vote: Beskar.
Let's see what happens and we can still go after YLC if his information should turn out to be false. I'm just wondering why TinCow has been so silent on this matter. :shrug:
Diamondeye
01-21-2010, 18:53
If it is okay for me to post while I am dead I would just like to point out that YLC's claims of me being anything but a basic townie are ridiculous and blatant lies. I think you should lynch him since he's obviously trying to hide something.
Double A
01-21-2010, 18:57
Is atheotes still alive or did we lynch him/he get killed?
I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I am to others I'm in, sorry.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-21-2010, 18:57
What is this? First the comment about me being a mafia in Godfather I and now this? :beam:
That was irony.
The narration stands on its own legs ... but it was the insinuation that YLC had to be recruited that got my nose twitching. It would have been a better case - had w&f claimed YLC recruited someone - or even TinCow recruiting someone... But no, he insisted that YLC got recruited.
To quote woad and fangs
"There is a 1/16 chance you just got recruited in the write up. Add that to the fact you're already a creepy and powerful third party role and I think you are the best lynch choice." How is that insisting that YLC got recruited?
In fact it's quite rational to be wary of YLC.
A bit uncharacteristic going out on a limb protecting your mafia brothers like this Sasaki... :inquisitive:
Yay, more mafia buddies, that makes 6 total now :beam:
chaotix - confirmed mafia (everyone knows that)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Unvote, Vote: YLC
This needs be done, and an open apology to those involved.
Scienter
01-21-2010, 22:31
Is atheotes still alive or did we lynch him/he get killed?
I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I am to others I'm in, sorry.
I think atheotes was murdered the same night that I was. *goes back to being dead*
Yeah, you have to thank YLC for your death, Scienter.
johnhughthom
01-21-2010, 23:16
Vote: Beskar
Centurion1
01-21-2010, 23:48
yeah sorry for getting wogged, im pretty ashamed. i was just a townie though so no worries.
pevergreen
01-21-2010, 23:51
Vote: YLC
I got a feeling, got a bit of an inkling, that this is gunna be, one of those days.
Double A
01-22-2010, 00:33
vote: Beskar
I guess?
Well, the way I see it, YLC has still status of a neutral and thus I trust him more than somebody who's alliance is unknown.
A neutrals' alliance is unknown as well...
Unvote : Beskar; Vote : YLC
So Beskar and YLC... who is lying, who is telling the truth? Personally, my gut says YLC is lying, he claims about half a dozen roles, plus whatever may be left. Many apologies if you are actually telling the truth.
Unvote: Beskar; Vote: YLC
yeah sorry for getting wogged, im pretty ashamed. i was just a townie though so no worries.
No worries? We need your vote. Ah well.
Apologies for not replying earlier. I have received strong evidence that YLC was recruited last night. However, due to game rules and the results of discussions with 'khaan, I cannot post this evidence so you'll just have to take my word that it exists.
Vote: YLC
Is the information YLC posted about investigation results correct?
He claimed you too had knowlegde of it.
Just a quick note. Beskar is very emotional in his posts either defending himself, or attacking YLC. He is rather eager to shift the focus from himself to YLC. It may be nothing, it may be something. But, it sends out some bad joo-joo. Not as bad as YLC's crazy role+claims are though. So what I'm saying is Ihaven'tgotacluewhatthehellisgoingon!
Is the information YLC posted about investigation results correct?
He claimed you too had knowlegde of it.
I cannot answer that question for 'khaan-related reasons.
I cannot answer that question for 'khaan-related reasons.
Which part of the rules would you violate, please?
You can't quote 'khaan's pm's. You can however say you got a pm saying this or that.
You can quote pm's from other players, hence you can also say I got this or that pm from X saying this or that.
You are not dead, so you're free to speak about previous night actions etc.
:inquisitive:
I'm very curious to read which part of the rules exactly says that you cannot confirm nor deny that YLC spoke the truth.
Woah...
Some showdown going on between the major players?
Beskar is accused by YLC... which, knowing YLC is not unfounded. Then something goes down behind the scene between these players.
Then TinCow appears with claims that reflects w&f's accusations and ads a hands and mouth tied response to any further questioning...
heh!!
Could this be a showdown between two factions? I can sense the teams being:
Beskar
TinCow
w&f
vs.
YLC
Psychonaut
johnhughthom
Joooray?
How far does this stretch into the lines of the dead?...
Unvote : YLC; Vote : TinCow
Talk :whip:
Which part of the rules would you violate, please?
You can't quote 'khaan's pm's. You can however say you got a pm saying this or that.
You can quote pm's from other players, hence you can also say I got this or that pm from X saying this or that.
You are not dead, so you're free to speak about previous night actions etc.
:inquisitive:
I'm very curious to read which part of the rules exactly says that you cannot confirm nor deny that YLC spoke the truth.
I would not violate any specific game rules by answering your questions. This is an issue involving general gameroom rule #2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2085900&postcount=1). 'khaan is aware of the situation. With his permission, I also consulted GH on the issue. Please accept my word on this as a moderator, and do not ask for further explanation until the game is over.
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