Netherworld II [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

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For many millenia, the Worlds were at peace. The world of the Gods oversaw the world of Humans. The just and righteous souls would go to the world of the Gods when they died. Those souls who were not just and righteous would be sent to the World of the Demons, or the Netherworld. There, they served their punishments for their time upon the World of Humans. When their punishment was complete, the soul awaited reassignment to the world of Humans in Purgatory. The cycle continued, and all was well.


Until the ruler of the Netherworld declared he would no longer be subordinate to the grand process. A great raid was launched on the world of Humans. Demons claimed the souls of all they could find, without regard to their righteousness. When it was finished, a great number had been claimed. The World of Gods would not stand for such a violation, and agents were dispatched to the Netherworld to reclaim the souls. The lord of the Netherworld knew this would happen, and prepared. What had not been accounted for, however, was betrayal. The guardian to one of the few entrances to the Netherworld, Hades, abandoned his post. The agents of the Gods made their way through the Styx River without notice. The Gods instigated a great turmoil in the Netherworld, as the community of demons panicked to account for their presence.


When the dust settled, the Gods were slain. They had failed their orders. The souls taken during the great raid were not recovered. Yet, it was not a total loss for the Gods. During the chaos, the Netherworld was forever changed. Hades overthrew his master, and declared himself the new ruler of the Netherworld. Further, the Gods had not been idle during the chaos. During his coup, Hades lost the narrow grip he held over his previous realm, the borderlands between the realm of humans, and the Netherworld. When spies from the world of the Gods reported a vacuum of authority, and while the Netherworld had its attention occupied, the Gods sent forth an expedition to secure the borderlands to extend a buffer of control against the Netherworld.



Sparsely populated, inhabited mostly by wandering, lost spirits and the occasional malevolent demon, the key strategic points of the borderlands proved easy to subjugate. The Gods quickly set up their largest encampment just outside of the entrance to the Styx River. As the Styx stood as the largest of the three entrances to the Netherworld, the Gods quickly attended to its fortification. Going beyond mere military matters, a small-scale government was established, to ensure management of affairs. The Gods sent out agents to impress all manner of spirit and demon it possibly could, as a brace for possible conflict. At the head of the encampment stood the Governor-General. For a time, it seemed that all was going as well.


Of course, not all were happy to hear of this success. Following his coup, Hades' victorious mood turned sour quickly upon hearing that his old home had been annexed. Diplomacy, and the fragile state of his new rule, prevented him from outright demanding the removal of the encampment; it had, after all, been seized during the previous ruler's reign, and he was not entitled to the lost possessions of his predecessor. Despite continued “insistence” to the world of Gods that he be given the borderlands back, he never met success. For a time, this uneasy peace continued. But neither the Gods nor Hades would be fool enough to think it could last...





Rules:

NO QUOTING HOST'S PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING PM'S-You may claim whatever you want, including role name, so long as you don't quote my PM's word for word, or very close to word for word.

The dead cannot reveal anything, including previous night actions, but they may participate as much as they want to contribute to general discussion. The dead also may not communicate outside the thread in any way, shape, or form relating to this game, be it via PM, chat, quicktopic, or other.

I do not allow Vote: No Lynch as an option. Period. You may abstain, however.

If you wish to take back a vote, you CANNOT do it by editing a previous post. I will not count it. Period. You must unvote:PlayerX in order to recant the previous vote. In order to vote for someone, you must do so in the usual Vote:Yaseikhaan style. Votes must be bolded, for reference.

WOGs will occur if a person does not vote 3 rounds in a row, or if they do not vote in 4 rounds in total. Please, please don't make me WOG you. It won't be a pretty death.

Suicides will only be allowed in the event of a person being very much unable to participate in the game. I do not allow suicides for any other reason.

No links to anything outside of this thread. Period. I don't care if it pertains to something completely irrelevant.

It would be very helpful for the sake of my sanity if player's kept a tally running.

DON'T MESS WITH THE TALLY! If I determine ANYONE is intentionally misrepresenting the tally, I WILL wog the offender immediately.

Voting periods will be 24 hours, though I may occasionally extend it to 36 if necessary.

Any ties in voting will await someone to break it. First vote to either person who is tied will result in lynch, regardless of any posts after it.




Roles:

There's going to be a good variety of roles. I will confirm that that there will be at least two doctors. I will not confirm the presence of any other exact roles as of now, except that they do exist. I am planning for four mafioso, if I get my goal of 40 players.


I'M LOOKING FOR FORTY PLAYERS, SO PLEASE JOIN! I can go a bit over forty, but no more than forty five at most.


Signups: 40/40

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
A Very Super Market
Beefy187
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Captain C
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
johnhugthom
Jooray
Khazaar
Kralizec
Peasant Phill
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Seon
Scienter
Sigurd
slashandburn
splitpersonality
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
YLC

Replacement players:

[Beskar]

In. :yes:

[CCRunner]

Intering into the realm of the dead

[GeneralHankerchief]

THE RIVERS OF ROME SHALL RUN WITH THE BLOOD OF-

Oh, wait, I'm still in game mode. In! :2thumbsup:

[Csargo]

:soapbox:

:evil:

[johnhughthom]

Yes please.

[TinCow]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:bow:

[seireikhaan]

Ah, I knew I forgot something:

Regardless of how quick slots might fill up, the game will not start for about a week, due to holidays.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will join this game, as it is pretty much mandatory to join Yaseikhaan games. :2thumbsup: Just don't expect my usual yakety yak. (39 players sigh in relief)

Also, I promised to help spread the word about this game, and so I shall... somehow... do that. Send me a message detailing who you've invited so far, Yaseikhaan, and I'll get to it from there.

[Seon]

Innnage

[woad&fangs]

Who puts the glad IN gladiator? Hercules!

[Beefy187]

:curtain:

[Chaotix]

In.

[pevergreen]

khaan...if you will have me.







MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:bow:

I still get bad nightmares about that.

This man, ladies and gentlemen, is why I hate pro-town groups.

It was, however, a masterful performance by you, that I must admit.

:bow:

[seireikhaan]

khaan...if you will have me.
:bow:

[ULC]

I shall be in as well - cannot possibly miss such a game when I missed the previous.

[slashandburn]

In!

[Andres]

Ah, the game where you have to lynch TinCow as soon as he posts a role pm.

In.

[Sprig]

Should be good. In please.

[Captain Blackadder]

In.

[White_eyes:D]

IN...This is going to be much harder then "Mafia Mongolia".....I can tell:sweatdrop:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Ok, I am in. Though I will no doubt regret it. :sweatdrop: :laugh4:

[atheotes]

In :bow:

[TinCow]

Ah, the game where you have to lynch TinCow as soon as he posts a role pm.

In.

Note to self: Kill Andres first.

[pevergreen]

I still remember the commotion over that.

Man, I played like such a newb. I was still a redshirt when the first one was on.

[naut]

Round 2 aye? In please.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In.

[Centurion1]

in.

[Sigurd]

back for more humbling experiences...

[scottishranger]

back to be killed again
in

[Winston Hughes]

In.

[Yaropolk]

I'm in.

[Khazaar]

In, fate awaits us all...

[Thermal]

I'd hadn't even noticed this one, In please. :beam:

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm in. This time I'm not saying anything for the first week.

[CCRunner]

One of my christmas presents this year was a ski trip that'll last for about a week and during which I'll have no computer. So unless your game doesn't start until Jan. 1 or you don't mind me being inactive until then, I'll have to drop. Sorry :sad:

[seireikhaan]

One of my christmas presents this year was a ski trip that'll last for about a week and during which I'll have no computer. So unless your game doesn't start until Jan. 1 or you don't mind me being inactive until then, I'll have to drop. Sorry :sad:
Jan 1? Shouldn't be much of a problem. I'm not starting up for about 4 days or so, so there shouldn't be much of a problem.

[Captain C]

In.

[A Very Super Market]

In.

[A1_Unit]

In.:yes:

[Splitpersonality]

In if possible :bow:

[Joooray]

Well, who could resist an invitation by Atpg. Was thinking about signing up anyway. :beam:

So IN, please. :yes:

[Double A]

Pizza sent me here, but since I'm forced to use dial-up right now, just put me down as a replacement.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: so far... :bounce:

[seireikhaan]

Alright, at 35 players, would really like getting five more. I'll give it a couple more days-ish(holidays and yadayadaya).

[Kralizec]

In...

I don't think it would have occurred to me to join a mafia game again if it weren't for the yearly ceasefire in the tavern, so bless the WW1 participants ~;)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Welcome back, Kralizec! :bow:

[Double A]

Kay I can probably play this now, take me off the replacements and put me on the regular in list.

[woad&fangs]

I'll be without internet access until January 2nd, so please don't lynch me on the first day:sweatdrop:

[seireikhaan]

I'm going to start things up a bit later tonight, in around 4 or 5 hours. Hopefully those last three spots can be filled. Game will start with a night phase, for which I'll give 48 hours. Then, we'll start the first day phase on the 1st, for which I'll give 48 hours(give people time to recover :skull:), and from then on, I'm aiming for 24 hour phases.

[Peasant Phill]

It seems there's still some room and I have some extra time on my hands ... in.

[Scienter]

I'll play!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can I count that as balloon number four? :grin: :balloon2:

[Diamondeye]

Ins.

[seireikhaan]

Alrighty then, 40 players! I'll officially close signups, although I'll still accept reserve players if they're interested.

I'll have role pm's out in about an hour. After that, I'll be expecting orders in 48 hours.

[seireikhaan]

Well, so much for an hour. :juggle2:

Anyways, all PM's are out. I want all orders by 10:00 PM/22:00 CST, or 4:00 GMT.

In other words, 48 hours from now.

[TinCow]

:devil:

[ULC]

:devil:

I believe, good sir, you are deeply in need of a trim - but a shave would be better.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You also may want to see a doctor about those growths on your head.

[Double A]

And you may want to try some Aloe Vera for that sunburn.

[Askthepizzaguy]

MY GOD!!! HE'S BEEN DECAPITATED!!!

[Csargo]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is a lie

The post below mine probably is as well

[ULC]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The post above mine is probably true

[Thermal]

:devil:

Perhaps some eye drops couldn't hurt either.

[seireikhaan]

As a reminder, I expect orders in about 5 hours.

[Yaropolk]

Ichigo, did you change your SN to Csargo?

[seireikhaan]

A Very Super Market was doing his rounds on a patrol outside of the god's compound. In the outwards bounds of the complex stood a large cavern complex. Some had been explored, but much had not. Curiosity got the better of him when he heard a slight crumbling from inside. Cautiously, he stepped into the mouth of the cave. A fork split oddly early in the cave. While he was pondering right or left, a sudden pressure evoked itself around his neck. A rope tightened, then pulled backwards with great force. AVSM was yanked clear off his feet, onto his back, and drug several feet. Still struggling against the rope, he saw, for a moment, his captor. A red humanoid, sitting oddly serenely on the top of a water buffalo, held the lasso in its left hand, and a spear in its right. With a simple jab, it thrust the spear straight into AVSM's face, ending what little struggle there had been. Whistling to itself, the killer turned its steed around, dragging its quarry with.


"How dull... how terribly, awfully dull...." thought Khazaar. He sat at a table, deep in the compound. "Administrative duty, what luck to be assigned this..." There was a knock at the door to his front. "In," he told the visitor. When there was no response for about ten seconds, he repeated himself, only louder. He got off his chair, irritated, and walked towards the door. Upon his hand touching the knob, the door exploded with force. The visitor had lowered it's shoulder and charged through the door, splintering it and knocking Khazaar back. It snarled angrily, swinging a knife into Khazaar's shoulder. Taking advantage, it tackled Khazaar to the floor, jaws snapping into his face, the knife being brought to bear repeatedly into his torso. The butchery continued well past the point Khazaar had ceased resisting, lasting for nearly 10 minutes as the intruder carved the body beyond recognition.....


There was more than one who was not amused. White eyes sat in a chamber room, meditating. To be doing nothing, just sitting there, it was quite frustrating. Try as he might, his meditation was not helping. On the contrary, sitting in one position only gave him more time to think on how frustrating the whole situation was. He peeked an eye open when he heard heavy footsteps approaching the opening to the chamber. The intruder was heavily armed; bronze armor, a helmet, shield, and spear. White eyes couldn't help but grin. He got up from his position, walked over to his weapon rack, and grabbed a scimitar.

"So, what are you up to?" He asked his uninvited guest. "I suppose you're probably here to vanquish me, no?" The intruder gave a mighty yell, then rushed forward, shield raised as a battering ram, spear tucked under it as a lance. White eyes chuckled. He rolled to his left to avoid the coming force, grabbing a bench with one hand and throwing it. The intruder halted its momentum, raised the shield and deflected it. Only to be faced with the rushing White eyes, who brought the scimitar in a left sweeping, downward arc. The intruder raised ducked, while raising its spear to block the weapon. With its opponent's stance temporarily opened, the intruder delivered a kick to White eye's chest, knocking him backwards. The intruder took the initiative, bring its spear to bear, thrusting towards the off balance foe. White eyes managed to bring the scimitar down on the spear thrust, knocking the weapon down, but the intruder kept the pressure up, bringing the edge of its round shield in a right sweeping motion. The edge caught White eye's in the shoulder, knocking him into a splayed position on the ground. Without hesitation, the intruder thrust it's spear down on the vulnerable White eyes, who managed to roll enough to avoid the weapon planting in his chest. However, it still caught his left leg, and white eyes howled in pain. The intruder jammed the weapon harder, forcing it through the floor and trapping White eyes to place. It unsheathed the short, curved sword hanging from its belt. It brought the weapon down in an overhand arc down on white eyes, who manged, with both hands, to block and hold it off. Finally, the intruder swung it's shield in a side to side motion, making direct contact with White eye's scimitar, knocking it several feet away. A pained, spiteful look was all that White eyes could muster at this point. It would be the last that he would do before the intruder brought its sword down for one final blow....







The assembly meeting the morn' was not a pleasant one. Governor-General Yasei received reports of the carnage from the night before. A guard missing, two rooms destroyed or damaged, and at least two more attacks. A call was issued to all security and administrators. Governor-General Yasei stood atop a dais so all could here his voice in the council chamber.

"Everyone! We have strong reason to believe the Netherworld is already here! Not an army, as we expected, but assassins. Or worse. We know little at the time, other than that malevolent purposes are at work." There was a bit of nervous chatting in the crowd. "We believe the agents of the Netherworld are here, now, in this very room. Look to the one to your left, and the one to your right. They may be demons hiding amongst us." The nervous chatter became quite a bit louder at that proclamation. That is why I must now entrust YOU to help me find these assassins. I cannot know all of you. But you all know each other. Present to me the one you have discovered amongst yourselves, and we shall end this threat! We shall end it here and now!"

And with that, the the accusations flew....




Alive: 37

A1_Unit
A completely inoffensive name
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Atheotes
Beefy187
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Captain C
CCRunner
Centurion1
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan
Diamondeye
Double A
GeneralHankerchief
johnhugthom
Jooray
Kralizec
Peasant Phill
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
Seon
Scienter
Sigurd
slashandburn
splitpersonality
Sprig
Thermal Mercury
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
YLC


Slain: 3

A Very Super Market (N1)
Khazaar (N1)
White_eyes:D (N1)



Lynched: 0








BEGIN DAY 1!

I am giving 48 hours for this phase, as it is new years. Future phases will be 24 hours in length.

[Beefy187]

Vote: CCRunner

Just to comfort those mafia whos dying for someone to post before them :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Splitpersonality


This is the most handsome man contest, right?

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Splitpersonality


This is the most handsome man contest, right?

Vote:Splitpersonality

I'm a shoe-in!

[ULC]

Vote:Seon

You didn't die last night, oh how depressing.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Diamondeye

Welcome to mafia?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Beskar

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Winston Hughes.

[Sprig]

I don't like strawberries. vote: Csargo

[pevergreen]

Vote: Sprig

His sig has scorpion dieing. I don't like that.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote:Splitpersonality

[Khazaar]

:wall::wall::wall: But maybe I shouldn´t be ungrateful.:whip::whip::whip:

[Beskar]

Looks like 3 Lurkers were killed, if that was meant to be last nights pattern, but usually AVSM, Khazaar and White_Eyes:D are not first-round killed...

A newish player perhaps?

Vote: Diamondeye

[Joooray]

Looks like 3 Lurkers were killed, if that was meant to be last nights pattern, but usually AVSM, Khazaar and White_Eyes:D are not first-round killed...

A newish player perhaps?

Vote: Diamondeye
Maybe you are right. :shrug:
Vote: Diamondeye.

[Kralizec]

Vote: a completely inoffensive name

[Seon]

Vote:Seon

You didn't die last night, oh how depressing.

Correct. 'tis quite strange. Perhaps the natural laws are evolving...

Vote:Diamondeye. he has similiar name as white eyes. Jealousy must have been the motive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't really consider White_Eyes a lurker. If you get him going, he'll talk.

I will agree that the choices seem very off. AVSM and Khazaar almost never lead the discussion, they don't seem to be logical round one targets. If you let AVSM live through the whole game, the worst that will happen (IMO) is he will be one of the votes on you later on, unless he's a detective or something. The only thing that might be said is that they won't really talk after they are dead. But even I'm getting to that point, almost no one does anymore unless they have a special interest in the game.

I'd say chances are you have a different team than the usual suspects, or a sneaky type like Generalhankerchief who will use unorthodox strategy to throw you off. Or I could just be talking out of my butt.

[ULC]

I don't really consider White_Eyes a lurker. If you get him going, he'll talk.

I will agree that the choices seem very off. AVSM and Khazaar almost never lead the discussion, they don't seem to be logical round one targets. If you let AVSM live through the whole game, the worst that will happen (IMO) is he will be one of the votes on you later on, unless he's a detective or something. The only thing that might be said is that they won't really talk after they are dead. But even I'm getting to that point, almost no one does anymore unless they have a special interest in the game.

I'd say chances are you have a different team than the usual suspects, or a sneaky type like Generalhankerchief who will use unorthodox strategy to throw you off. Or I could just be talking out of my butt.

This is the netherworld - that's a good possibility. How did you die?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Car crash. My head went clean through my intestines.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Does seem like strange first round kills. Seems like it might be a newer player.


Vote: Winston Hughes

[Seon]

Yes. Let us all pick on the new kids.

[Diamondeye]

Would I know who on this board are who already? I know ATPG, because, well, he seems to do half the talking even when he's dead and there are 40 players, but other than that, I wouldn't know enough about players to make such distinctions as you think me capable off.

Besides, Splitpersonality is far better looking than me. This is the best-looking contest, right? I am flattered by your votes, in that case, gentlemen. :bow:

However, I think vote:Seon was a little too quick to jump on the bandwagon against me... Hiding something?

[Seon]

Actually, I am acting as insane, chaotic, crawling tentacly mass from Lovecraft's novel ie:my innocent face.:juggle2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

If one more person tries to make a connection between the kill selection and who is guilty with a straight face in the first round, so help me, I'll murder you myself.

[ULC]

If one more person tries to make a connection between the kill selection and who is guilty with a straight face in the first round, so help me, I'll murder you myself.

GeneralHankerchief did, it's quite obvious. At the very least, he had a hand in it. Only he would post the above then proceed to tell everyone in such a manner to buzz off from that line of thinking.

[Diamondeye]

Uh... Two questions: Do we know for sure that all the three dead people from the first round were innocent? I don't see any spoiler in the writeup.

And would someone mind doing a tally? I feel like I am the one closest to dying but I really can't tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Indeed. No one likes a good WIFOM contest more than GeneralHankerchief. He's also the type to joke that he can kill you when he really can.

unvote, vote: GeneralHankerchief

That, more than the kill selections, seals it for me.

[Yaropolk]

I'm also of the mind that the kills were done with knowledge and were meant to pursuade the crowd to attack a neophyte. Plus we haven't had a first round ATPG lynch in about three months.

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sure, it didn't JUST HAPPEN in the Blackadder game.

*smacks Yaropolk*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:white_eyes

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote:white_eyes

A bit overkill, don'tcha think? :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

A bit overkill, don'tcha think? :inquisitive:

I checked over the posts, but no one else has voted him. Anyway, bit of a fuss you are making over a random vote?

[GeneralHankerchief]

No one else voted him for a reason.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No one else voted him for a reason.

No one else voted him period, reasoned vote or otherwise.

[ULC]

No one else voted him for a reason.

Speaking of votes - Unvote:Seon, Vote:GeneralHankerchief

Your trying to avoid me, Mr.Kerchief, and my reasoning - why?

[GeneralHankerchief]

No one else voted him period, reasoned vote or otherwise.

Ayup. :yes: And there's an easy explanation for why that's so.

-edit- YLC, I'm avoiding you because I feel like it at the moment.

[TinCow]

Looks like 3 Lurkers were killed, if that was meant to be last nights pattern, but usually AVSM, Khazaar and White_Eyes:D are not first-round killed...

A newish player perhaps?

I think it's an experienced player.

Vote: GH

Also, based on the description I think AVSM's killer was Yama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama_%28Hinduism%29).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Most people are not "usually killed first round" and most mafia teams have an experienced player on them.

[Joooray]

No one else voted him period, reasoned vote or otherwise.
What GH is trying to tell you about White_Eyes: HE - IS - DEAD!!

I get the feeling you trying just a bit to hard to seem like you don't know what is going on.

[ULC]

YLC, I'm avoiding you because I feel like it at the moment.

But, why? Do you not love me? Why must you ignore me GH? Have I just become inconvenient for you now? A normal person at this point would simply counter me - if he actually had an excuse. Which you don't.

[scottishranger]

What GH is trying to tell you about White_Eyes: HE - IS - DEAD!!

I get the feeling you trying just a bit to hard to seem like you don't know what is going on.

Vote Jooray

Who are you to tell Sasaki who he can or can't vote for

[GeneralHankerchief]

But, why? Do you not love me? Why must you ignore me GH? Have I just become inconvenient for you now? A normal person at this point would simply counter me - if he actually had an excuse. Which you don't.

Oh, I have a counter, I just don't feel like using it. Why waste it, after all? Your original accusation on me was WIFOM by nature and therefore ultimately meaningless. After all, I could simply say that your read of me is incorrect and that, were I a mafioso, would have acted differently in such a situation.

[TinCow]

My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.

Unvote: GH; Vote: YLC

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

[Joooray]

Vote Jooray

Who are you to tell Sasaki who he can or can't vote for

Oh no you did-n't! :shout: Who are YOU to tell me who I can smart alec with and who not. :mean:

... - Sigurd

[Winston Hughes]

Looks like 3 Lurkers were killed, if that was meant to be last nights pattern, but usually AVSM, Khazaar and White_Eyes:D are not first-round killed...

A newish player perhaps?

Is this an attempt to distract attention from the real killer, or just appallingly bad reasoning?

One way to find out... vote: Beskar

[Yaropolk]

Sure, it didn't JUST HAPPEN in the Blackadder game.

*smacks Yaropolk*

Meh wasn't part of that one, I still think it's a good idea to lynch you just in case.

[Peasant Phill]

For no apparent reason:

Vote: Double A

Now leave me alone until the next vote.

[ULC]

Oh, I have a counter, I just don't feel like using it. Why waste it, after all? Your original accusation on me was WIFOM by nature and therefore ultimately meaningless. After all, I could simply say that your read of me is incorrect and that, were I a mafioso, would have acted differently in such a situation.

What a lovely little roasted marshmellow you have written, all fluff and no filling. Play the pufferfish more with empty sounding defense? If my accusations are baseless, why defend against them - I am the only one accusing you, yet for some reason you are forced to respond? Why reason with the unreasonable, when you know it gets you caught in circles? Why so defensive?


My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.

Unvote: GH; Vote: YLC

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

You voted GH why in the first place? And I didn't call for a bandwagon on GH at all.

And that is total WIFOM, and you know it. I could vote for the dead too if you want - I suppose that must mean I did not read the night write-up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.

*waves his hand dismissively*

BAH, he is acting like he doesn't know what's going on. And, for no reason other than because he is Sasaki, and he can. It's how he has fun, in my opinion. At worst, he was doing it so that someone could use the very reasoning you just used to "clear" him, which is kind of lame as Sasaki strategies go. He's better than that.... I hope.

[Sigurd]

vote: Scienter as a friendly welcome vote.

[Kralizec]

My vote on GH was made before I saw the rest of this conversation; I got the end of page 1 and didn't realize there were more posts. So, I hadn't seen 81+ at the time of my vote. Having now read them, I do not want to participate in a bandwagon on GH.


For anyone thinking Sasaki is scummy, I would like to point out that he's totally missed the fact that W_E was dead and has pursued GH without apparently noticing this. This indicates he hasn't paid attention to the night write-up.
(bolded vote removed to prevent miscounts)

Why would you point out something that obvious in Sasaki's defense?

But on that topic, it's slightly odd that Sasaki paid attention to the posts after the night write-up, and not to the night write-up itself. Of course, it goes without saying that if he's not mafia and hasn't read the write-up he wouldn't have known that white_eyes was dead *looks suspiciously*

[ULC]

Why would you point out something that obvious in Sasaki's defense?

But on that topic, it's slightly odd that Sasaki paid attention to the posts after the night write-up, and not to the night write-up itself. Of course, it goes without saying that if he's not mafia and hasn't read the write-up he wouldn't have known that white_eyes was dead *looks suspiciously*

Thus - Sasaki read the night write up and is screwing around, TC is defending him needlessly, GH is panicking and trying to defend himself when he should he does not need to.

Kind of adds up - I'd be the type to hunt down the veterans at this point. Immunity to death usually allows them to be much more productive instead of trying to form secret alliances.

[TinCow]

You voted GH why in the first place? And I didn't call for a bandwagon on GH at all.

As I stated, I think those targets were picked by an experienced player, not a new player. GH was just the first person that came to mind.


And that is total WIFOM, and you know it. I could vote for the dead too if you want - I suppose that must mean I did not read the night write-up.

WIFOM on Day 1? OH NOES!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My bad. I totally missed that white eyes was one of the two kills. I should read more carefully. Not that my mistake means I'm innocent at all, of course.

[ULC]

As I stated, I think those targets were picked by an experienced player, not a new player. GH was just the first person that came to mind.



WIFOM on Day 1? OH NOES!

GH was the first player on your mind? Why not Sasaki? ATPG? Sigurd? Dear scottishranger? Why not even Beskar? Or even me? What made GH so special?

Day 1 WIFOM is perfectly understandable, when it is used to accuse someone. It doesn't make a lot of sense when used defensively, and for another persons life, especially one that you haven't a stake in, and it can easily be disproven.

[TinCow]

GH was the first player on your mind? Why not Sasaki? ATPG? Sigurd? Dear scottishranger? Why not even Beskar? Or even me? What made GH so special?

I have a mancrush on him. :love:

[Askthepizzaguy]

My bad. I totally missed that white eyes was one of the two kills. I should read more carefully. Not that my mistake means I'm innocent at all, of course.

:bounce:

You guys don't fully appreciate this man, I fear.

[ULC]

I have a mancrush on him. :love:

I suppose you do then, with the way your behavior has been - lackluster and not player of the year material at all. Where is the old TinCow? Can I get him in exchange of this one?

How about one that knows he has no defense for defending GH by trying to use Sasaki as a distraction, knowing people will pick on his faulty logic? Why do we need to stop looking at GH, TC? I know you can answer my question.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ooooooh I smell a rumble... *gets out the popcorn* http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[GeneralHankerchief]

I have nothing more to add to this conversation other than to say that I reciprocate TinCow's feelings and that YLC's arguments are so laugh-worthy that he won't even have the honor of personally being slayed by myself tonight.

[Diamondeye]

Unvote:Seon Vote: YLC

While all this "veterans buddying up and talking in so much detail that the rest of people can't follow"-stuff is all very funny, I don't see you throwing any votes, gentlemen. Backing these accusations of each other with votes would make them seem vaguely more serious.

[ULC]

I have nothing more to add to this conversation other than to say that I reciprocate TinCow's feelings and that YLC's arguments are so laugh-worthy that he won't even have the honor of personally being slayed by myself tonight.

:laugh4:

Is this a joke? Is that all you have? You sound irrevocably vain in that statement, as if you could kill me at all. If your town, then you can't and thus it's an empty threat, and I am wrong - or your a mafioso and you can, and thus I am right. All your doing right now is bandwagoning on TCs lackluster logic because you have none of your own.

I can bet that I will be attacked this night, oh most assuredly, and not this night, then the next. You and TC are so scummy that it's unbelievable, and one or both of you are mafioso.

[ULC]

Unvote:Seon Vote: YLC

While all this "veterans buddying up and talking in so much detail that the rest of people can't follow"-stuff is all very funny, I don't see you throwing any votes, gentlemen. Backing these accusations of each other with votes would make them seem vaguely more serious.

I have - long ago unvoted Seon and placed it on what I believe is the best first round lynch, GH. Kill me next round if you do not believe me, but I guarantee results if either TC or GH dies today.

[TinCow]

How about one that knows he has no defense for defending GH by trying to use Sasaki as a distraction, knowing people will pick on his faulty logic? Why do we need to stop looking at GH, TC? I know you can answer my question.

Please explain how I defended GH; I was not aware that I had ever done so. Nor am I aware of ever saying we should stop looking at GH. Are you intentionally twisting my words, or are you just being careless?

[GeneralHankerchief]

How about one that knows he has no defense for defending GH by trying to use Sasaki as a distraction, knowing people will pick on his faulty logic? Why do we need to stop looking at GH, TC? I know you can answer my question.

Please explain how TinCow defended me; he was not aware that he had ever done so. Nor is he aware of ever saying we should stop looking at me. Are you intentionally twisting his words, or are you just being careless?

[TinCow]

GH makes a good point, I recommend that we don't lynch him.

[ULC]

Please explain how I defended GH; I was not aware that I had ever done so. Nor am I aware of ever saying we should stop looking at GH. Are you intentionally twisting my words, or are you just being careless?


Please explain how TinCow defended me; he was not aware that he had ever done so. Nor is he aware of ever saying we should stop looking at me. Are you intentionally twisting his words, or are you just being careless?

Since this is essentially one post, I'll answer both at the same time.

I was voting for GH, when TC jumped on - and immediately jumped off without giving reason why.
TC then responds later in the same said post by saying something about Sasaki that would catch peoples attention - for being idiotic and easily disprovable.

GH is overly defensive when I accuse him, arguing with me instead of simply making a statement, when he knows I am being intentionally unreasonable - he is concerned, and thus has something to prove.

TC and GH bandwagon of each others logic, with TC avoiding me in direct discussion as much as possible, even when he knows that I am asking reasonable questions, rather then unreasonable accusations, like I did with GH. He's not seeing a difference.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hay! I have an idea!

Let's lynch them all.

[ULC]

Hay! I have an idea!

Let's lynch them all.

I'm up for that - lets do it. My votes already down, need a couple on GH and TC though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Since this is essentially one post, I'll answer both at the same time.

I was voting for GH, when TC jumped on - and immediately jumped off without giving reason why.
TC then responds later in the same said post by saying something about Sasaki that would catch peoples attention - for being idiotic and easily disprovable.

GH is overly defensive when I accuse him, arguing with me instead of simply making a statement, when he knows I am being intentionally unreasonable - he is concerned, and thus has something to prove.

TC and GH bandwagon of each others logic, with TC avoiding me in direct discussion as much as possible, even when he knows that I am asking reasonable questions, rather then unreasonable accusations, like I did with GH. He's not seeing a difference.

You're wrong, but I'm not going to say why. Put your vote on yourself - and keep it there - and I'll tell you why at the end of the round.

[ULC]

You're wrong, but I'm not going to say why. Put your vote on yourself - and keep it there - and I'll tell you why at the end of the round.

Oh that's rich GH, be more insulting to my intellect, and that of everyone else playing.

Try. Harder. Please.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, at least now you know how it feels like.

[Chaotix]

I've got it! I know exactly who did it!

Unvote: Diamondeye
Vote: TinCow

GH is the red herring, made deliberately to look like he's guilty, while TinCow, the real culprit, is merely on the sidelines and not garnering any attention. Couple that with Sasaki's faked ignorance of the night kill on white_eyes, which GH corrected, and the answer is clear. TinCow is mafia, GH is his converted mindslave, and Sasaki is a townie who wants to be mafia. Case closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

GH is the red herring, made deliberately to look like he's guilty, while TinCow, the real culprit, is merely on the sidelines and not garnering any attention. Couple that with Sasaki's faked ignorance of the night kill on white_eyes, which GH corrected, and the answer is clear. TinCow is mafia, GH is his converted mindslave, and Sasaki is a townie who wants to be mafia. Case closed.

:shocked:

He got it.

I can't believe he got it. And so quickly, too.

TinCow! Sasaki! We need to go to the Quicktopic to discuss this new development.

[Splitpersonality]

I've got it! I know exactly who did it!
GH is the red herring, made deliberately to look like he's guilty, while TinCow, the real culprit, is merely on the sidelines and not garnering any attention. Couple that with Sasaki's faked ignorance of the night kill on white_eyes, which GH corrected, and the answer is clear. TinCow is mafia, GH is his converted mindslave, and Sasaki is a townie who wants to be mafia. Case closed.


....That's stupid...


You're stupid...

Unvote; Vote:Chaotix

[Chaotix]

Remember those words when TinCow decides to use his awesome mind-control powers on you.

[Splitpersonality]

Remember those words when TinCow decides to use his awesome mind-control powers on you.

How can I remember words that you said after the fact?

1. If he's controlling my mind, how am I to remember anything he doesn't tell me to.
2. He already controls my mind!

[Chaotix]

In that case, just tell me you're being mind-controlled, and I'll repost it with a nice little quote tag that has your name on it. Then you will remember what you so ignorantly said to me, and lower your head in shame as you are forced to run me through with a spear.

[ULC]

Well, at least now you know how it feels like.

Unlike you, I haven't stepped so low as to be debasing intentionally yet. Rather petty of you to insult me on false pretenses, when you know I am right and you can't refute it.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

....That's stupid...


stupid...

Unvote; Vote:Chaotix

Personally I like his reasoning :laugh4: makes complete sense in the grand scheme of things

Unvote: Winston Hughes, Vote: Tincow

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone remember to be niceth.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unlike you, I haven't stepped so low as to be debasing intentionally yet. Rather petty of you to insult me on false pretenses, when you know I am right and you can't refute it.

I disagree, sir. You called me "petty". :snobby:

[ULC]

I disagree, sir. You called me "petty". :snobby:

That is because you are :laugh4:

There is a difference between calling names and stating a fact.

[Andres]

vote: Scienter as a friendly welcome vote.

Vote : Sigurd

For being friendly :thumbsdown:

[GeneralHankerchief]

That is because you are :laugh4:

There is a difference between calling names and stating a fact.

Why exactly am I petty? How is it a fact?

Summarize your case against me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I am not sure I agree wholeheartedly with your logic regarding who murdered you and why. Was Andres even here and active at the time? As for me, I am begging your indulgence to just trust me that I didn't murder you. Give me a round of benefit of the doubt, or just for the sake of argument.

Sasaki could have avoided killing you, but that smacks of cowardice. Frankly I think they gave it to AVSM so that it would mess with our brains. But we got AVSM right away, didn't we?

I could make your case in-thread, but I feel you're the best qualified person. I consider Andres' contributions to be lackluster this game. I don't think he was even here to do the murders. I think he skipped out to avoid detection. Tincow and GH are high on my list, but GH sounds like he's the detective or the spokesman for the detective, and as such, he's out. YLC has been revealed, so it's not possible for him to have done it. Chaotix, it's possible...

My next top suspect is actually splitpersonality.

Who are you even talking to? This makes no sense.

[Andres]

Who are you even talking to? This makes no sense.

Let's see:

a) it's new year, so many people are now suffering from a hang-over;
b) it's day 1 in a large mafia game
c) something else
d) some other stuff
e) nonsense

And you expect him to make sense?

:inquisitive:

Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : Sasaki


For expecting people to make sense.

And there are five good reasons to make that vote, so don't say that I'm not making sense here!

[Thermal]

vote: winston hughes

Not only unusual kill choices, but a dead khazzar, which is a player winston hughes always votes for, in other mafia games at least.

[TinCow]

How can I remember words that you said after the fact?

1. If he's controlling my mind, how am I to remember anything he doesn't tell me to.
2. He already controls my mind!

Would you kindly kill Chaotix?

[ULC]

Who are you even talking to? This makes no sense.

I honestly do not understand why you posted this from another thread in here.

[Diamondeye]

Okay, unvote:YLC. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt. vote:GH

[GeneralHankerchief]

I honestly do not understand why you posted this from another thread in here.

You respond to Sasaki's post, which came chronologically after mine, before you come to my post, which was addressed directly at you.


You[']r[e] trying to avoid me, Mr.[YLC], and my reasoning - why?

[Splitpersonality]

Would you kindly kill Chaotix?

but of course master TC :yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's see:

a) it's new year, so many people are now suffering from a hang-over;
b) it's day 1 in a large mafia game
c) something else
d) some other stuff
e) nonsense

And you expect him to make sense?

:inquisitive:

Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : Sasaki


For expecting people to make sense.

And there are five good reasons to make that vote, so don't say that I'm not making sense here!

I saw this before you edited out the picture. For shame Andres, for shame.

[Andres]

I saw this before you edited out the picture. For shame Andres, for shame.

What picture?

:inquisitive:

~:confused:

You're being weirder than me.

[Thermal]

What picture?

:inquisitive:

~:confused:

You're being weirder than me.

Well your post was edited.... :juggle2:

[Andres]

Well your post was edited.... :juggle2:

To add the line:

"And there are five good reasons to make that vote, so don't say that I'm not making sense here!"

Not to remove a picture.

Sasaki is acting weird.

Unvote : Sasaki

Vote : Tincow

[scottishranger]

he's controlling my mind

There we have it, a confession!

Tincow is controlling split!

[Splitpersonality]

There we have it, my confession!

Tincow is controlling me!


What's that, mafia scum? :inquisitive:

[scottishranger]

What's that, Im mafia scum!

:scastle3:


This is a very odd first day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have the heart of Osiris in this amulet of evil! YOU'LL NEVER STEAL MY MAGIC AMULET!!!

[Splitpersonality]

I AM MAFIA EVERYONE NEEDS TO LYNCH ME RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DON'T IT'S YOUR FAULT CAUSE I'M MAFIA.


I concur.

[ULC]

You respond to Sasaki's post, which came chronologically after mine, before you come to my post, which was addressed directly at you.


You[']r[e] trying to avoid me, Mr.[YLC], and my reasoning - why?

I was more shocked by Sasaki's post and wanted to follow up immediately on it - also, I was busy at the moment and couldn't properly respond to you.

To answer why and how you've been petty - maybe I am confusing you with TC, not sure - your responses just sound so alike. I mean, you literally copied each others posts at one point only changing perspective so they made sense. Your going at me as if, both of you, that I am some how a pest, and using tactics like trying to defame me instead of arguing the point.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: winston hughes

Not only unusual kill choices, but a dead khazzar, which is a player winston hughes always votes for, in other mafia games at least.

Surely a noob (such as myself) would go for the more visible (and obviously experienced) people, like ATPG or GH, rather than people who rarely post. More vocal and experienced mafiosi, on the other hand, might have a good reason for taking out quiet ones, since killing other vocal and experienced players would lead to the question of why they hadn't been targeted themselves.

And as for Khazaar, it's true that I have voted for him repeatedly in another game. But for that very reason, if I were a villain here, it would seem very foolish to kill Khazaar on the first night, since (as has indeed come to pass) it would seem likely to draw unnecessary attention to me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

To answer why and how you've been petty - maybe I am confusing you with TC, not sure - your responses just sound so alike. I mean, you literally copied each others posts at one point only changing perspective so they made sense. Your going at me as if, both of you, that I am some how a pest, and using tactics like trying to defame me instead of arguing the point.

Referring to the "I copied his post" point, I was already playfully poking fun of that exact point you were making at that time. Try digging closer to the source. :yes:

Also, Winston, you're using a WIFOM defense. Anybody could say they'd do X in a certain position while in reality doing Y to deliberately confuse someone. WIFOM defenses generally hold little water around here, so try again.

[Thermal]

unvote
vote: Tincow

His power to control the game is scary, seeing as we don't know if its mafia or town hes benefiting. Although I haven't read thoroughly enough to know if this is true. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

WIFOM defense = Lynch me, I'm the Mafia!

[Winston Hughes]

so try again.

Why bother? Anything I say could be lies. The question is not whether it's possible I'm trying to mislead you, but whether I sound like I'm trying to mislead you. Do I?

In any case, since I think my reasoning is sound on the first point, I wonder if I haven't touched a nerve here. vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Captain Blackadder]

Random vote AVSM

[Beefy187]

Unvote, Vote: Winston Hughs

The last few post of yours are extremely scummy to the point of me wanting to unvote and vote for you... ON ROUND 1.

[Winston Hughes]

The last few post of yours are extremely scummy to the point of me wanting to unvote and vote for you... ON ROUND 1.

If I sound this guilty when I'm innocent, imagine how easy it's going to be to catch me when I'm actually guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're not a "noob" Winston... :inquisitive: Give yourself more credit... before I switch my vote to you. :whip:

P.S. terms like noob technically not welcome in the gameroom (here) which is different from what you're used to Winston. So, don't be such a noob, get with the program. :clown:


Am I allowed to do that? Am I allowed to make a joke?

Plz don't ban me.

*banned*

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why bother? Anything I say could be lies. The question is not whether it's possible I'm trying to mislead you, but whether I sound like I'm trying to mislead you. Do I?

In any case, since I think my reasoning is sound on the first point, I wonder if I haven't touched a nerve here. vote: GeneralHankerchief

Hey, I was just trying to help a newbie out with a friendly bit of advice. I don't think you're guilty, just using a bad defense. :shrug:

[Seon]

If I sound this guilty when I'm innocent, imagine how easy it's going to be to catch me when I'm actually guilty.

Oh I do know that feeling :p

[Winston Hughes]

Alright, I'm not a total -derogatory term for inexperienced player- where mafia games are concerned. But I am used to games where use of the term 'WIFOM' does not count as a substitute for addressing someone's argument.

Put simply, Thermal Mercury gave two reasons why I might be suspected of being a killer, and I addressed both of those points on their own terms, attempting to show that, in each case, the alternative was more likely to be true. The point wasn't to prove my innocence, just to show that the arguments against me were rubbish.

[Diamondeye]

Lynch me, I'm the Mafia!

:inquisitive:

[Seon]

Unvote: DIamondeye

Vote: Tincow cause he has a redskin, a goatee, and 2 growths in his head.

[Yaropolk]

Unvote: ATPG Vote:Tincow because the only people worth lynching more than Sassaki are Sassaki sympathizers.

[Joooray]

Just wanted to let you guys know that I won't have Internet until Monday, gotta work. Sorry.

[Beskar]

:inquisitive:

I have never trusted you, Baker-boy and I will never trust you too!

[Beskar]

Alright, I'm not a total -derogatory term for inexperienced player- where mafia games are concerned.

It isn't a total-derogatory term at all, everyone is a newbie at one point or another.

The derogatory version is "n00b" because it isn't whether or not they are actually new, it is because they are really bad at it and it isn't from lack of practise either. :no:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Random vote AVSM

You'd like us to think that, wouldn't you.

[seireikhaan]

Tally:

TinCow 6(Yaropolk, Seon, Thermal Mercury, Chaotix, Cultured Drizzt fan, Andres)
GH 3(ATPG, YLC, Diamondeye)
Beskar 2(GH, Winston Hughes)
Diamondeye 2(Diamondeye, Joooray)
Winston Hughes 2(Beefy187, johnhughthom)
Splitpersonality 1(ACIN)
Csargo 1(Sprig)
Sprig 1(pevergreen)
Joooray 1(scottishranger)
YLC 1(TinCow)
Double A 1(Peasant Phill)
Scienter 1(Sigurd)
Chaotix 1(splitpersonality)



A few reminders, folks:

1) You MUST unvote a previous vote to reissue it. I'm a stickler for things like that.

2) If the players would help keep a tally, that would be awesome for my benefit.

3) You may NOT vote for the dead.

There's still over 24 hours of discussion left. Good, if contentious, discussion.

[Sigurd]

unvote: Scienter, vote: Yaropolk for spelling Sasaki with three s's.

And Sasaki.. Not two but three murders.

[Sigurd]

I just edited my vote post.... :wall:

unvote: Scienter, vote Yaropolk for the reasons stated in my previous post.

[Diamondeye]

Did I vote for myself?

[seireikhaan]

Did I vote for myself?
Probably not. Lemme dig back through. :wall:

[Beefy187]

Surely a noob (such as myself) would go for the more visible (and obviously experienced) people, like ATPG or GH, rather than people who rarely post. More vocal and experienced mafiosi, on the other hand, might have a good reason for taking out quiet ones, since killing other vocal and experienced players would lead to the question of why they hadn't been targeted themselves.

And as for Khazaar, it's true that I have voted for him repeatedly in another game. But for that very reason, if I were a villain here, it would seem very foolish to kill Khazaar on the first night, since (as has indeed come to pass) it would seem likely to draw unnecessary attention to me.

This post is full of WIFOM. And its not the kind of the defense you would want to use on day 1.

[Seon]

This post is full of WIFOM. And its not the kind of the defense you would want to use on day 1.

Ah but maybe he wants to exploit the sentiment that he is a noobie looking (he is not) to use the WIFOM technique to summon suspiscion against himself while at the same time using the sentiment that mafioso players don't use WIFOMS on the first day to rid himself of suspiscion at the same time. :juggle2:

Edit: Now if that thing made any sort of sense, contact me. I promise not to tell anyone else that you are Cthulhu.

[TinCow]

6 votes? Seriously? Have you no shame, gentlemen?

[Splitpersonality]

6 votes? Seriously? Have you no shame, gentlemen?

Unvote:Chaotix

Vote: Tincow

Does that make things better?

[Thermal]

6 votes? Seriously? Have you no shame, gentlemen?

I don't :shrug: I didn't even know anyone else has voted for you when I did. :beam:

[Chaotix]

........Or perhaps, WIFOM is the only defense anyone can really use on Day 1, short of role reveal. Think about it. There are no night actions to speak of that one can account for, no previous-round votes that one can cite as evidence. Nothing can be used to make a case, convoluted as it might be, except for the previous night's kills and behavior during this round.

It is nearly pointless to make any sort of serious case on someone in the first round. It is more pointless for anyone to defend themselves in the first round. Were I accused and bandwagoned this round, my response would probably be something akin to "I don't care, lynch me if you want, but this is the first round, you have no evidence, and it will be a waste."

And that will, more likely than not, get me off the hook for that round, town or not.

[Chaotix]

Actually, you know what, I think we lynched TinCow first round in some other game recently, too. Despite the fact that he is mafia, we have all game to lynch him, and it would be a shame to do so this soon.

Unvote, Vote: split

May as well knock out one of his mindslaves.

[Beskar]

It is nearly pointless to make any sort of serious case on someone in the first round. It is more pointless for anyone to defend themselves in the first round. Were I accused and bandwagoned this round, my response would probably be something akin to "I don't care, lynch me if you want, but this is the first round, you have no evidence, and it will be a waste."

AKA, a touchy Mafia. :yes:

[Splitpersonality]

May as well knock out one of his mindslaves.


I prefer the term "highly valued yet superfluous, sycophant" thank you very much.
:skull::whip:

[ULC]

I prefer the term "highly valued yet superfluous, sycophant" thank you very much.
:skull::whip:

I thought you were beautiful as well? Or are we just devaluing ourselves now?

[Splitpersonality]

I thought you were beautiful as well? Or are we just devaluing ourselves now?


For your information I am the prettiest guy on all of the forums... :yes:

but that is my title as Tincow's official mafia recruitment buddy. :yes::yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I prefer the term "highly valued yet superfluous, sycophant" thank you very much.

I prefer the term "enthusiastically servile glutton for pain and punishment" :kiss:

[Splitpersonality]

I prefer the term "enthusiastically servile glutton for pain and punishment" :kiss:


You're naughty ATPG :blush:

You want me to be your peon too? :kiss:

[Beefy187]

........Or perhaps, WIFOM is the only defense anyone can really use on Day 1

You could ignore or make a joke about it. Otherwise there won't be any proper cases for people to vote for.

Denying it and denying it hard just makes it look really suspicious.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote: Scienter, vote: Yaropolk for spelling Sasaki with three s's.

And Sasaki.. Not two but three murders.

My bad. I should have read the write up more carefully.


Unvote:white_eyes, vote:Beskar -->claimed to be mafia, as shown by DE's quote.

[Captain C]

Vote: Seon.


He put a bandwagon vote on Diamond Eyes when he had the most votes then switched it to TinCow when TinCow got more votes.

[Winston Hughes]

........Or perhaps, WIFOM is the only defense anyone can really use on Day 1, short of role reveal.

Exactly. And since I don't have a role to reveal...

Also, I do think there's a tendency to assume that just because something could, theoretically, be a bluff, that there's no point even considering the case being made. Instead, it just gets chalked up as 'WIFOM', and the inherent plausibility of the statements are left untested.


It is nearly pointless to make any sort of serious case on someone in the first round. It is more pointless for anyone to defend themselves in the first round. Were I accused and bandwagoned this round, my response would probably be something akin to "I don't care, lynch me if you want, but this is the first round, you have no evidence, and it will be a waste."

And that will, more likely than not, get me off the hook for that round, town or not.

Which is precisely the problem: doing nothing is nearly always better than doing anything. Even if someone brings out a half-decent accusation against you, as a mafia, you're better off ignoring or dismissing it, rather than addressing it in any way. The result is that the mafia get an easy ride, because no-one is expected to defend themselves, and anyone who does is an automatic suspect.

Of course, I was fully aware of all this before starting my defence. Make of that what you will. :beam:

Oh, and since I messed up before: unvote: Beskar, vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Sprig]

A little off-topic but the above is why i prefer Notw to the mafia games at the .org

Here if someone accuses me and then I say "wtc your crazy" and defend myself, all of a sudden i find myself bandwagoned and lynched just because i defended myself. not fun :(

... - Sigurd

[Captain Blackadder]

Random vote AVSM


:embarassed: oh dear what were the chances the random org would give me a dead player

unvote avsm; vote Scienter

[TinCow]

Well then, seems I'm not going to deter the bandwagon by faith alone. I guess I'll have to play my get-out-of-lynch-free card.

I am a pro-town role. Good work, guys.

[pevergreen]

Well then, seems I'm not going to deter the bandwagon by faith alone. I guess I'll have to play my get-out-of-lynch-free card.

I am a pro-town role. Good work, guys.

Not falling for that again

Unvote, Vote: TinCow

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Well then, seems I'm not going to deter the bandwagon by faith alone. I guess I'll have to play my get-out-of-lynch-free card.

I am a pro-town role. Good work, guys.

Hopefully someone will investigate him to make sure this is true, but I am willing to buy it for now


Unvote: Tincow, Vote: abstain

[Scienter]

Well then, seems I'm not going to deter the bandwagon by faith alone. I guess I'll have to play my get-out-of-lynch-free card.

I am a pro-town role. Good work, guys.

:inquisitive: I was going to vote for you, but I can save it for another day.

Vote: GeneralHandkerchief

[Yaropolk]

unvote: TC


vote: Seon for quickly switching from one BW to the next.

[Thermal]

I don't trust him :whip: He is either super bad or super good :shrug: difficult situation really.

[A1_Unit]

vote:TinCow

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't think TinCow was seriously claiming pro town, because he didn't post a role pm.

[Andres]

I don't think TinCow was seriously claiming pro town, because he didn't post a role pm.

As if that would make a difference.

Unvote : TinCow; Vote : Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As if that would make a difference.

Unvote : TinCow; Vote : Sasaki

Yes. As a plain townie you are justified in claiming pro town role to save yourself from lynch, as long as you won't be counterclaimed, revealing an actual pro town role. This is what TinCow did.

I'm not voting TinCow and didn't suggest he should be lynched, so your "as if that would make a difference" comment and your vote on me are quite of the mark.

[Andres]

Yes. As a plain townie you are justified in claiming pro town role to save yourself from lynch, as long as you won't be counterclaimed, revealing an actual pro town role. This is what TinCow did.

I'm not voting TinCow and didn't suggest he should be lynched, so your "as if that would make a difference" comment and your vote on me are quite of the mark.

You think there was a connection between my comment and my vote?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You think there was a connection between my comment and my vote?

As if it makes a difference.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No way is TinCow a pro-town role, for I am the very pro-town role that he's claiming to be.

[Chaotix]

Well, I'm going to say this now. On the conditions that:

-TinCow survives this lynch.
-TinCow is not killed and not attacked during the following night.
-TinCow does not reveal.

We should lynch TinCow next round.

[seireikhaan]

As a reminder- I do not allow role pm's to be quoted.

[Yaropolk]

Perhaps TC would be so kind as to reveal his name, and category of powers - e.g. Detective, Doctor, and so on.

[seireikhaan]

'Pologies, need to clarify a bit real quick. You may quote pm's from other players. Just no quoting my pm's.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Yaropolk

I don't recommend that at all. It is bad enough he would reveal he's a pro-town role anyway.

I would have asked a few of the people who voted for me to remove their vote based on asking for the benefit of the doubt. That can result in a couple people realizing they MAY have voted for a pro-town role but without making it public, and without revealing too much, and it could lead to vote switches. That's pretty much how I do it, but I'm rarely a pro-town role, and I'm rarely on the chopping block when I am. Sometimes I dare people to vote for me, and it has the opposite effect.

On that note, the town is generally pretty good at picking up my hints not to lynch me when it's actually important, but absolutely terrible when I actually state what I am. Then they lynch me as, you know, a roleblocker... or a frickin' GOD.

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[atheotes]

random.org says vote:Captain C

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right, to be serious for once, I think we should give TinCow one more round. I had this conversation with him at the height of YLC's little inquisition, and I don't think his responses were those a mafioso would give me.





I have no idea whether you're actually mafia (or a third-party) or not, but are you up for screwing with YLC for now by overtly pretending to work together in the thread?

In what manner? Such a game could easily get us both lynched.

See my most recent post. Playing into his suspicions and then outright denying it, for example. You don't have to join in, I'm just feeling playful right now.

Sure, I'll play along. Don't have anything better to do.

That's my read into it, anyway.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ah wait, forgot to put in one other PM.


Hey GH, I just want to say that you're so smart and awesome and wonderful that I just couldn't hide it from you anymore: I'm a mafioso. I tried my best, but there was just no stopping you. I would consider it an honor if you led the charge on my lynching, sir.

[TinCow]

I don't think TinCow was seriously claiming pro town, because he didn't post a role pm.

I am seriously claiming pro town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Very well.

I am in the middle of doing Resident Evil stuff and dealing with other headaches; so make this simple for me.

Who do you want me to vote for, TinCow?

[TinCow]

Very well.

I am in the middle of doing Resident Evil stuff and dealing with other headaches; so make this simple for me.

Who do you want me to vote for, TinCow?

Anyone but me. If knew who a mafioso was, I would have said it when I claimed pro-town.

[Yaropolk]

Current Tally based on Yanseikhaan's previous tally - if there was a mistake in there I havent corrected it with one exception Beskar voting for Diamondeyes. Look over this to make sure your vote was registered correctly:

TinCow 6(Seon, Thermal Mercury, Chaotix, Cultured Drizzt fan, pever, A1_Unit)
GH 5(ATPG, YLC, Diamondeye, Winston Hughes, Scienter)
Beskar 2(GH, Sasaki)
Seon 2(Captain C, Yaro)
Winston Hughes 2(Beefy187, johnhughthom)
Scienter 2(Sigurd, CB)
Diamondeye 2(Joooray, Beskar)
Splitpersonality 1(ACIN)
Csargo 1(Sprig)
Joooray 1(scottishranger)
YLC 1(TinCow)
Double A 1(Peasant Phill)
Chaotix 1(splitpersonality)
Sasaki 1(Andres)
Captain C 1(Atheotes)

Edit: updated Beskar's vote for diamondeyes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What I mean is, who is the next leading candidate?

I am already voting for... GeneralHankerchief, I think. All I'm saying is that I'm in the zone doing hosting duties and I don't need a break in concentration to do a tally here.

Edit: Kthanks for the tally. I'll leave my vote where it is.... though GH seems pretty cool under pressure here and I am thinking that a third candidate would be good.




Uhhh you could vote for me if you want.

[Beskar]

Current Tally based on Yanseikhaan's previous tally - if there was a mistake in there I havent corrected it with one exception. Diamondeyes was listed voting twice - once for himself, once for GH. I took out the vote for himself. Look over this to make sure your vote was registered correctly.

I voted for Diamondeye. So the one for himself must have been my vote on him.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right then, all aboard the bandwagon!

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Unvote: Beskar
Vote: Winston Hughes

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote: Beskar, vote:Winston Hughes

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: WinstonHughes

[Winston Hughes]

No. Stop. You're lynching the wrong guy. :yes:

Meh. Better me than someone actually useful to the innocent cause.

And, hey, this will be the first time in 20-odd games that I've ever been successfully lynched. :cool3:

[Winston Hughes]

Hmm... Now I think about it...

I can understand other people being suspicious of me, but ATPG knows I'm far too cautious to dig myself a hole like this if I was actually guilty. So why is he voting for me, eh?

[Seon]

bloody ell. He actually convinced me.

Unvote, Vote:ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can do what you like.

I already volunteered to be the lynch. I am innocent, that's the only thing I will say in my defense.

You want me to die, I'll die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm... Now I think about it...

I can understand other people being suspicious of me, but ATPG knows I'm far too cautious to dig myself a hole like this if I was actually guilty. So why is he voting for me, eh?

Uh, no I don't.

Just because you're guilty or not doesn't mean you wouldn't say something that gets you in trouble. That makes zero sense. Secondly, the reason I am voting for you is because there's a bandwagon to spare TinCow. You'd know that if you were reading the thread.

Unless you're also claiming to be a pro-town role (fat chance) better you than me, friend.

[Kralizec]

Unvote: A completely inoffensive name
Vote: Sasaki

My reason is that Sasaki and Tincow seem to support eachother for some reason. I'm skeptical of Tincow's claim, but it can't be ruled out that he's speaking the truth. So say lynch Sasaki and take things further from there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, but Sasaki will make jokes, thus elevating the game.

He's also far too pretty to die.

[Seon]

I feel strongly disturbed by complete lack of WIFOM and self-suspiscionraising from ATPG.