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fos: shlin At least come up with a pseudo-reason for an OMGUS... jeez.
Revenge voting.... is not a pseudo-reason?
The world of Mafia has changed :cry:
Unvote: White Eyes:D
Vote: Abstain
Diamondeye
03-17-2010, 22:32
Well, that too.
Is Diamondeye lobbying for his cause via IM or do I just have my "kick me, I'm the mafia" sign on right-side up today?
I haven't talked to anyone but you, and perhaps, Seon. I'm pretty relaxed about this whole thing.
You, on the other hand, are failing every flinch test. Tighten up, Renata :beam:
Double A
03-17-2010, 22:40
Really?
So if I posted a picture of a flying book, she'd flinch?
Ibn-Khaldun
03-17-2010, 22:43
After I checked who were mafias in the previous games I think Kagemusha, Reenk Roink, Seamus Fermanagh, Andres, woad&fangs and Yaseikhaan are innocent.
Not once have there been the same people twice in this mafia game series.
About the other I don't know.
After I checked who were mafias in the previous games I think Kagemusha, Reenk Roink, Seamus Fermanagh, Andres, woad&fangs and Yaseikhaan are innocent.
Not once have there been the same people twice in this mafia game series.
About the other I don't know.
I think roles are chosen randomly, so that probably would not mean that they are innocent.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-17-2010, 22:54
GH definitely chooses the mafia randomly. The proof is that I have never been mafia.
seireikhaan
03-17-2010, 22:57
Diamondeye is clearly scummy. More people should get on the bandwagon.
*zero hours of sleep here, no roleplaying for now.
Double A
03-17-2010, 23:11
After I checked who were mafias in the previous games I think Kagemusha, Reenk Roink, Seamus Fermanagh, Andres, woad&fangs and Yaseikhaan are innocent.
Not once have there been the same people twice in this mafia game series.
About the other I don't know.
GH definitely chooses the mafia randomly. The proof is that I have never been mafia.
Yet.
White_eyes:D
03-17-2010, 23:32
Revenge voting.... is not a pseudo-reason?
The world of Mafia has changed :cry:
Unvote: White Eyes:D
Vote: Abstainshlin28, you should be proud. The only time I ever felt like I made a mistake in not trusting someone was in Capo 3.:shame:
Reenk and Pizzguy were PMing me going..."good White_eyes:D, you nailed that scumbag:2thumbsup:".
But to me....it felt like I had just kicked a loving dog that was just wagging it's tail and being happy.(I am serious....only time I felt really bad about betraying someone:laugh4:)
I am voting for you because you often get scummy when voting-pressure is applied(when your innocent) Unvote:shlin28 Vote:Abstain
GH definitely chooses the mafia randomly. The proof is that I have never been mafia.
It also means that the chance of you being mafia has never been as high as in this game.
Crazed Rabbit
03-17-2010, 23:57
After I checked who were mafias in the previous games I think Kagemusha, Reenk Roink, Seamus Fermanagh, Andres, woad&fangs and Yaseikhaan are innocent.
Not once have there been the same people twice in this mafia game series.
About the other I don't know.
Also, Andres is dead.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
03-17-2010, 23:59
It also means that the chance of you being mafia has never been as high as in this game.
That's completely false, it's the other way around. As irrelevant as that is.
I am voting for you because you often get scummy when voting-pressure is applied(when your innocent) Unvote:shlin28 Vote:Abstain
Erm... so you know my behaviour will turn scummy if you vote me, yet you voted me anyway...? :inquisitive:
I'm onto you, Mister I-Want-shlin28-dead-but-attempts-to-look-like-I-don't-really-want-him-dead.
:2thumbsup:
It also means that the chance of you being mafia has never been as high as in this game.
Good point. Vote: Sasaki
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 01:01
Good point.
:stare:
Beefy187
03-18-2010, 01:12
Beefy: It's over, Methos... I have the high ground!
Methos: YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY REASONING!
That's about all I could think when I read this post. xD
Don't try it
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2010, 01:56
Voting closed.
Stand by for the execution.
That's completely false, it's the other way around. As irrelevant as that is.
Statistically perhaps, but a host that gets a player signing up continuously is bound to consider giving a mafia based role eventually.
Double A
03-18-2010, 02:24
Then the roles wouldn't be random, which would be unfair and on top of that LYING!!!!!
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 02:24
Statistically perhaps, but a host random.org generator that gets a player signing up continuously is bound to consider defying its programming and giving a mafia based role eventually.
I disagree.
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2010, 02:32
The sun crept ever lower into the sky, a sign that voting for the day was nearly complete. The villagers of the Frontroom had been a lively bunch for the entire day, taking up their task with gusto and flinging around accusations like there was no tomorrow. For some of them, this would be the truth.
One of the earliest of such accusations was directed at Diamondeye. Some people initially questioned the validity of this accusation, especially considering the fact that the accusation was made up entirely of rhetoric and no actual information or evidence, but it was popular nevertheless. As a matter of fact, it was only in the middle of the day when Diamondeye gave a defense of himself that the votes started shifting elsewhere. Soon, Renata appeared to be in very hot water. As a matter of fact, the votes were even tied at one point.
"All right..." Chief of Police Lemur muttered to himself, looking alternatively at his watch and the setting sun. "Voting will close in five seconds... four... three..."
"WAIT!" shouted one villager, and then another right after him. "I don't like my vote! Move me into the 'abstain' column!" The other villager shouted his like-minded change just as time expired. Renata breathed a huge sigh of relief. Diamondeye groaned.
"Okay, Diamondeye," Lemur said, "Step right up to my new execution platform. It's still somewhat under construction to be able to handle more... elaborate... methods of death, so right now it's just a platform. But it'll still suffice." He paused, leafing through his binder. "Ah, yes, before I'm to execute you, it's customary that the condemned is allowed a set of last words. So, uh, any last words?"
"Not really," Diamondeye said, the gravity of the entire situation still not fully clear to him. "Uh, sorry, I guess, and good luck catching the two mafiosi since you screwed up with me."
The entire (suitably large) crowd gathered in, as if they have been conditioned to expect an elaborate and cool execution. However, they were to be denied, as Lemur simply took out a pistol and unceremoniously blasted Diamondeye in the head.
"What?" said Lemur as the crowd started to mutter with disapproval. "I'm still new to this Chief of Police stuff! Give me some time to get on my feet and cook up some really creative executions! They'll be awesome, I promise! But... uh... let's hope we never have to use them and that you were on-target with your choice today, and all that jazz. Good night, folks!"
Day 1 tally:
Diamondeye: 6 (khaan, Beefy, ATPG, TinCow, Renata, Kage) :skull:
Renata: 5 (Diamondeye, Joooray, Winston, atheotes, Sasaki)
Yaseikhaan: 3 (Secura, AVSM, Split)
Psychonaut: 1 (Centurion)
Centurion1: 1 (Beskar)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Psychonaut)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Methos)
Csargo: 1 (pevergreen)
Beefy187: 1 (woad&fangs)
atheotes: 1 (Csargo)
TinCow: 1 (Thermal)
Beskar: 1 (Double A)
A Very Super Market: 1 (Subotan)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (31)
Yaseikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Sigurd
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
atheotes
shlin28
Winston Hughes
Double A
Centurion1
Chaotix
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
Executed:
Diamondeye
Abstained: 5 (Chaotix, Ibn-Khaldun, Reenk, shlin, White_eyes)
Didn't vote: 3 (johnhughthom, Sigurd, Captain Blackadder)
Congratulations on surviving your first full phase. It is now Night 2! Orders in 24 hours, please.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 02:37
I realize this is going to look suspicious, but I'm heading out for work soon, so will more then likely miss the update.
Unvote: Renata
Good point. Vote: Sasaki
DiamondEye:6
Renata: 5
Scumbuddies with Renata.
Double A
03-18-2010, 02:41
Actually, that is a pretty good argument ...mainly because in a game like this where there are no power roles or night actions and people can continue to participate in discussions, the kill choices could be random and it would not make a difference.
unvote:Diamondeye; vote:Renata
There's a possibility atheotes just saved his partner-in-crime Renata from death... abstaining instead of revoting looks a bit more innocent, does it not? And he could just vote for DE if someone voted for Renata.
Oh, hello paranoia, I didn't notice you creeping up on me like that.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 02:54
There's a possibility atheotes just saved his partner-in-crime Renata from death... abstaining instead of revoting looks a bit more innocent, does it not? And he could just vote for DE if someone voted for Renata.
Oh, hello paranoia, I didn't notice you creeping up on me like that.
atheotes voted renata :inquisitive:
Double A
03-18-2010, 03:11
Well my theory just went down the drain...
atheotes
03-18-2010, 04:05
There's a possibility atheotes just saved his partner-in-crime Renata from death... abstaining instead of revoting looks a bit more innocent, does it not? And he could just vote for DE if someone voted for Renata.
Oh, hello paranoia, I didn't notice you creeping up on me like that.
:laugh4: you should rest your eyes...perhaps get some sleep
Kagemusha
03-18-2010, 04:27
Im sorry but id rathe ta scumm buddy of renata form the simple rason i llike feamales miore.
DiamondEye:6
Renata: 5
Scumbuddies with Renata.
You're just upset because I accused you. :smartass:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 06:45
You're just upset because I accused you. :smartass:
You didn't accuse me.
Congratulations on surviving your first full phase.
Not funny :mean:
He voted you; does that count?
Diamondeye
03-18-2010, 11:33
Yeah I think I'm going to stick around, that is allowed, right?
Also, too bad about the wasted lynch. I'm thinking Yaseikhaan has something to explain. Renata, too. And Beefy.
As per tradition, the game will start with a night phase. Unfortunately, this means two people will die before they even get the chance to cast one vote. Sorry, but it works better for the story that way, and unlike in other games, you can still heavily contribute to the town's effort by careful analysis of the thread.
I would hazard a guess that you're still allowed to help the town ascertain who the scum are if you're dead... you're just not permitted to vote. :3
Yeah I think I'm going to stick around, that is allowed, right?
Also, too bad about the wasted lynch. I'm thinking Yaseikhaan has something to explain. Renata, too. And Beefy.
Did I miss something, or were you not confirmed as town?
Also, you missed Methos.
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2010, 13:40
I would hazard a guess that you're still allowed to help the town ascertain who the scum are if you're dead... you're just not permitted to vote. :3
Correct, you're more than encouraged to contribute after death. :yes:
Correct, you're more than encouraged to contribute after death. :yes:
Problem is, everyone will dislike you for doing a Kagemusha, even if you was a townie.
Problem is, everyone will dislike you for doing a Kagemusha, even if you was a townie.
Well, it's more encouraged in this game because being dead lifts any pressure of being lynched off you and gives you a different perspective of the game; without any power roles, the town needs all the help it can get anyway. :3
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2010, 14:31
Problem is, everyone will dislike you for doing a Kagemusha, even if you was a townie.
Everyone will not dislike you for contributing your thoughts after death. As a matter of fact, it's quite possibly the single greatest reason that keeps the game lively in the endgame.
Also, you missed Methos.
Interesting, since we discussed this via IM and I explained why I was withdrawing my vote against you. Are you saying that I was wrong to withdraw it?
Diamondeye
03-18-2010, 16:19
Did I miss something, or were you not confirmed as town?
Also, you missed Methos.
Interesting, since we discussed this via IM and I explained why I was withdrawing my vote against you. Are you saying that I was wrong to withdraw it?
Allow me to point out that even if GH missed the reveal - or has decided not to do reveals - the simple amount of kills will give away whether we've caught a mafia.
Also allow me to point out to those oblivious enough to not notice the first time; Renata is way too hyped up and playing unnatural compared to her usual style. I'm suspicious of her.
Allow me to point out that even if GH missed the reveal - or has decided not to do reveals - the simple amount of kills will give away whether we've caught a mafia.
Also allow me to point out to those oblivious enough to not notice the first time; Renata is way too hyped up and playing unnatural compared to her usual style. I'm suspicious of her.
Each mafioso gets one kill per night, unless one of them is lynched in which case the remaining mafioso gets two kills per night. This means two townies will die every night, no matter what (unless all mafiosi are lynched, meaning that the game is over and thus there will be no more kills ).
Not so much. Although you not seeming to realize that is a plus mark for you, maybe.
Someone should ask Methos why he unvoted me.
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2010, 16:27
Allow me to point out that even if GH missed the reveal - or has decided not to do reveals - the simple amount of kills will give away whether we've caught a mafia.
I do not reveal after death, and there will be two kills every night regardless of whether there are two mafiosi alive or merely one. Sorry. :laugh4:
-edit- Beaten to the punch.
seireikhaan
03-18-2010, 18:49
Everyone will not dislike you for contributing your thoughts after death. As a matter of fact, it's quite possibly the single greatest reason that keeps the game lively in the endgame.
Yes, and just to clarify- it is always a better idea to listen to the dead players. Especially at the end of the game. Dead players are definitely the ones to listen to. Except for Kage. (unrelated to shadow fort, btw)
Yes, and just to clarify- it is always a better idea to listen to the dead players. Especially at the end of the game. Dead players are definitely the ones to listen to. Except for Kage. (unrelated to shadow fort, btw)
A small point: it's important to different between dead players who were killed at night and those who were lynched during the day. In this game, anyone who dies at night is a guaranteed townie, and they can be trusted to be working for a town victory. Lynched dead are probably townies as well, but it's possible that one (and only one) of them could be a mafioso, particularly the longer the game goes on. So, lynchees still need to have their advice weighted with that in mind.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 19:45
So, we shouldn't lynch anyone? That way we are sure all dead people are townies? :beam:
I disagree.
Funny you should use random org as the example, given that it isn't completely random (such as when it gives me 4 8's in a row on the card generator... :juggle2: ) .
Funny you should use random org as the example, given that it isn't completely random (such as when it gives me 4 8's in a row on the card generator... :juggle2: ) .
That kinda proves that it is random...
That kinda proves that it is random...
By repeatedly giving the same card over and over again? :thinking:
johnhughthom
03-18-2010, 20:02
No matter how often you get a card the odds of it coming up again next time are exactly the same.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 20:04
I think the odds of getting 4 8's in a row from a card deck would be 3.50127797 × 10-5*, if I had a calculator I could check the math. But crazier things have happened. I got 10 heads in a row flipping a coin and seven 6's in a row rolling a die.
*times 13 if you want odds of getting 4 in a row of no particular card
No matter how often you get a card the odds of it coming up again next time are exactly the same.
It is if the deck is well shuffled, but the amount of glitches in the card generator of random.org make sure that it isn't entirely random, the same card came up after each other a vast majority of times and picture cards rarely ever came up (behavior consistent through all 12 rounds), hence some difficulties when hosting the blackjack tournament.
I'm not just saying this to prove my argument, I simply used the 4 of the same card coming up in a row as an example. :bow:
Ibn-Khaldun
03-18-2010, 20:12
I think the odds of getting 4 8's in a row from a card deck would be 3.50127797 × 10-5, if I had a calculator I could check the math. But crazier things have happened. I got 10 heads in a row flipping a coin and seven 6's in a row rolling a die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjOqaD5tWB0
Diamondeye
03-18-2010, 20:12
On CFC we are very familiar with these Random Number Generator streaks.
There is a smiley depicting a spearman having defeated a tank - go figure :beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2010, 20:13
Maybe it's a browser problem on your end. Works fine for me.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2010, 20:45
On CFC we are very familiar with these Random Number Generator streaks.
There is a smiley depicting a spearman having defeated a tank - go figure :beam:
The spearman is very magical. He carries the lance of doom, which can penetrate even the mightiest armor.
There is a smiley depicting a spearman having defeated a tank - go figure :beam:
Obviously empowered with the mighty tonic that is the Civ 3 Combat System.
Wow, tincow and Ibn have nice avatars......Napoleon?
----
Cheers Johnhughthom
johnhughthom
03-18-2010, 23:19
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127034-ETW-and-NTW-avatars&goto=newpost#post2452228
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2010, 03:58
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Despite the horrible deaths of yesterday, many villagers were still determined to take advantage of the beautiful weather and go outside to partake in various leisure activities. One such villager was atheotes, and his leisure activity of choice was walking. Normally, he took the scenic route around the Frontroom Park (where he got the visit the osmium-rich pond and the ducks), but today he decided to hit the denser part of the town. Buildings flanked the street.
atheotes paused to examine the architecture, not really paying attention to much else. Therefore, he was taken by surprised when somebody else's voice rang out.
He heard someone screaming "atheotes, Watch Out! There is a red dot on your chest! It's a Sniper!!!"
The man threw atheotes what appeared to be a bulletproof vest, and he put it on without much thought. Not noticing that it was a vest covered with C-4 explosives!
It was too late to take off the vest though, the button was pushed, and atheotes went KABLOOEE!
A laser pointer was found at the scene...
Meanwhile, on the other side of town, Double A had decided to sleep late. After the long execution vote of yesterday, Double A realized that he had not yet begun his St. Patrick's Day celebrations. He decided that it was only fair to all the Irish out there that he would have to start making up ground, and quickly. So he drank. And drank. And drank some more, going strong on Guinness (which he had never had before) until roughly 4:30 AM, when he finally passed out.
As such, it took the man at the door well over a dozen doorbell rings before Double A finally rejoined the world and stumbled downstairs to answer the door.
"Carpenter," the man said, dressed in overalls and carrying a bag of tools in one of his hands. A white van was parked outside the house. "Need a patio built? Porch reinforced? Sunroom added to your house? I'm your man!"
"...gurgh?" Double A managed to mutter after unsuccessfully trying to comprehend the man at the door.
"Well, all righty then," the man said cheerfully, and then let himself in the house. Looking around the house, he didn't waste any time at all giving his appraisal of the situation.
"Hmm, this'll do, perhaps here - no, here's better, yes, here. We could make it 12x18, not too bad a size really, when you think about it. Roofing would be a different story of course, but we'll burn that bridge when we come to it - sorry, did I say 'burn'? I meant 'cross', of course. Why in Heaven's name would I say 'burn'? I mean, what's the point of burning a bridge when you come to it? You do that, you can't cross the bridge at all, which isn't a very efficient use of your time. If you were absolutely insistent on burning bridges, you should probably do it after you cross, that way nobody gets to follow you across, which could be useful, I suppose, depending on the situation you're in-" He finally paused, glancing at the still-out-of-it Double A. His eyes were barely open, feeling around for a lightswitch that was on the other side of the wall.
"Oh, there's no point in keeping up this charade any more," the carpenter said. "You're much too hung over to do anything about me anyway. Reaching into his tool bag, he brought out his staple gun and made one adjustment to the house before leaving. The south wall of the foyer now had a Double A-sized ornament stapled to it.
Later that day, Chief of Police Lemur gathered everyone in the Frontroom square in order to make an announcement.
"All right people," he said, "Obviously, there were two more deaths today. Double A was found dead from puncture wounds and massive loss of blood. atheotes died from a stratagem so deadly and so original I had never even thought about such a method before. No, as a matter of fact I had never even envisioned such an original and creative kill. As a matter of fact, I don't think anybody has. Ever." He finally stopped, staring out at the crowd as if to drive home a point.
"Anyway, yeah, so that's where we stand. The mafia are still obviously loose, so you guys get to try again. I wish you better luck this time!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (29)
Yaseikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Sigurd
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Winston Hughes
Centurion1
Chaotix
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Executed:
Diamondeye
It is now Day 2! The round will last approximately 24 hours.
Beefy187
03-19-2010, 04:02
After a hit on two vets, we have a player whos constantly under suspicion and a cheerful spammer killed.
seireikhaan
03-19-2010, 04:04
Vote: Subotan
Everyone else should vote for Subotan. He doesn't like Princess Bride. The heretic must be cleansed. Forcibly, and with a spoon.
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 04:07
I am going to Vote:Sasaki because he is going to vote for me no matter what I say:stare:
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 04:08
Vote:Sasaki forgot to bold.....that WIFOM write-up, Reenk must be happy:laugh4:
Reenk Roink
03-19-2010, 04:17
Vote: White eyes
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 04:20
Vote:khaan
Penalty for getting DE lynched on a whim yesterday. Hiding behind that everyday = cover for mafia.
Vote: khaan
We do NOT need another runaway bandwagon this round. Last time was forgivable since it was Day 1... but let's not continue that tradition longer than it needs to go.
I say, since there's absolutely nothing else to go on, we start voting by good old behavioral analysis. And I think we are due an explanation from our new eager bandwagon-starter, khaan. Pressure vote for now.
Double A
03-19-2010, 04:34
After a hit on two vets, we have a player whos constantly under suspicion and a cheerful spammer killed.
I take it you weren't complimenting me on my abilities. Guilty as charged :grin:
On another note, that's the first time I lol'd at my own death.
seireikhaan
03-19-2010, 04:37
Vote: khaan
We do NOT need another runaway bandwagon this round. Last time was forgivable since it was Day 1... but let's not continue that tradition longer than it needs to go.
I say, since there's absolutely nothing else to go on, we start voting by good old behavioral analysis. And I think we are due an explanation from our new eager bandwagon-starter, khaan. Pressure vote for now.
Lol, pressure vote.
Lol indeed. It's a vanilla game. What's to pressure? Also, DE wasn't a runaway bandwagon; he lost by one vote.
vote: Chaotix
Lol indeed. It's a vanilla game. What's to pressure? Also, DE wasn't a runaway bandwagon; he lost by one vote.
vote: Chaotix
Seconded, your vote was kinda off, Chaotix. Vote: Chaotix.
Any investigator care to reveal some results for a change? It's been awfully quite so far.
:clown:
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 04:52
Vote:khaan
Penalty for getting DE lynched on a whim yesterday. Hiding behind that everyday = cover for mafia.
Come on Sasaki....you know I am scum....or are you trying to make the game last a little longer?:bounce:
Beefy187
03-19-2010, 05:03
I take it you weren't complimenting me on my abilities. Guilty as charged :grin:
On another note, that's the first time I lol'd at my own death.
You are a good player. But I adore your cheerful spamming skill more so then mafia playing :curtain:
Also
Vote: Jooray
What if we have a naive detective who will just take up your offer?:smash:
vote: Yaseikhaan
I found you immensely suspicious yesterday, particularly the manner in which you chastised people for not voting Diamondeye, and I don't see any liklihood that this behaviour is going to change.
Lol indeed. It's a vanilla game. What's to pressure? Also, DE wasn't a runaway bandwagon; he lost by one vote.
vote: Chaotix
Seconded, your vote was kinda off, Chaotix. Vote: Chaotix.
Any investigator care to reveal some results for a change? It's been awfully quite so far.
:clown:
Blah, blah. "Pressure" vote was not the most apt term to use, and yes, I realize this. In fact, it was really more of a "draw out the scum into voting me" vote.
Supposedly, I wanted a defense for khaan's deliberate bandwagon-mongery. Really, I suppose it's just that khaan feels like being silly. Which is something I do from time to time as well... :clown:
What I find interesting now, though, is how quickly you two jumped on my mis-statement and used it as an excuse to vote me. Especially Renata- you already came under fire last round, and narrowly escaped death. Now you're looking for an easy vote and to slink away with a low profile, it seems.
Unvote, Vote: Renata
atheotes
03-19-2010, 05:48
Deja vu...I am pretty sure i have been killed the same way previously. trying to think which game it was...will dig up and find it.
Edit: this write-up has supposedly made a few rounds here at the .org
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 05:56
Chaotix is defending himself suspiciously. This detracts from the khaan wagon :(
seireikhaan
03-19-2010, 06:04
Chaotix is defending himself suspiciously. This detracts from the khaan wagon :(
Tell me about it. Its detracting from my Subotan bandwagon as well. :cry:
Chaotix is defending himself suspiciously. This detracts from the khaan wagon :(
The Chaotix wagon is so much more appealing though.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 06:07
Let's see if there's a pattern.
Secura was very suspicious in dethy mini mafia. She was innocent.
Then in shadow fort she was very suspicious again. But she was guilty
Chaotix was suspicious in shadow fort. But innocent.
Chaotix is suspicious in IX. Therefore he is guilty.
Therefore, we should lynch khaan.
Come on Sasaki....you know I am scum....or are you trying to make the game last a little longer?
You're just trying to convince me that you're innocent in shadow fort :tongue3:
Vote: Methos
He must die.
Double A
03-19-2010, 07:15
You are a good player. But I adore your cheerful spamming skill more so then mafia playing :curtain:
Also
Vote: Jooray
What if we have a naive detective who will just take up your offer?:smash:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/happy_crying.gif
Let's see if there's a pattern.
Secura was very suspicious in dethy mini mafia. She was innocent.
Then in shadow fort she was very suspicious again. But she was guilty
Chaotix was suspicious in shadow fort. But innocent.
Chaotix is suspicious in IX. Therefore he is guilty.
Therefore, we should lynch khaan.
I fail to see any logic whatsoever in that post.
Vote: Methos
He must die.
Could you do that over in the "Then there was none" game, please? Anyway, Vote: Khaan.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 09:13
vote: Chaotix
Khaan is an easy target. I also like his bold leadership. He's not ready for his execution yet.
Diamondeye
03-19-2010, 10:58
My thoughts so far:
-The villain(s) is/are striking against active targets. Yesterday it was vets, as Beefy says.
Yaseikhaan is not providing the town with anything but unmotivated bandwagons. He is not even explaining himself. Scummy?
Sigurd has no reason to be this quiet.
Also, I am vaguely suspicious of Beefy, Beskar and to some extent still Renata for their odd voting habits.
Vote: Subotan
My master commands me.
Secura was very suspicious in dethy mini mafia. She was innocent.
Hey! I was suspicious because you made me out that way! Attacking things that weren't necessarily scummy, jumping on the slightest thing I said, barely fronting anyone else out... I was merely doing everything I could to prove my innocence save PMing you my Role PM directly! :P
Also, Pizza, I think it's a bit of a stretch to label Yaseikhaan's antics as "bold leadership". I've never played a game with him before SF/Mafia IX, so I'm unsure if this is just indicative of his style, but I feel that if we're going to follow someone's lead each turn, I'd prefer it not to be someone who thinks that disliking a film makes you scummy.
Kagemusha
03-19-2010, 14:32
vote: woad&fangs. Where have you been lurking?
Seriously, why haven't Methos and Renata been voted off and killed anyway for being Scum partners?
Ibn-Khaldun
03-19-2010, 14:45
Vote: Beskar
For trying to start another bandwagon..
My thoughts so far:
-The villain(s) is/are striking against active targets. Yesterday it was vets, as Beefy says.
Yaseikhaan is not providing the town with anything but unmotivated bandwagons. He is not even explaining himself. Scummy?
Sigurd has no reason to be this quiet.
Also, I am vaguely suspicious of Beefy, Beskar and to some extent still Renata for their odd voting habits.
Really Beskar? I thought his vote against Methos was the best vote of the day so far, despite thinking he's probably wrong.
Vote: Beskar
For trying to start another bandwagon..
:no:
unvote, vote Ibn-Khaldun
For anyone who is still in confusion about my "pressure vote", I'll spell it out:
It was a ploy- a mind-game designed to get the mafia to lodge their votes- since they are looking for evidence in behavior where there actually is none. My apparent lack of sense provided such an opportunity... and once again, the suspicious Renata took the bait right off the bat.
That is why I find Renata suspicious right now. Obviously, more people are inclined to take me seriously even after I said I wasn't being serious with tthat vote...
unvote, vote Chaotix
I don't think it was a ploy. I think it was a bad vote.
There are certain types of comments that mafia will tend to jump on to get in a cheap vote. But if you're trying to lure them into doing so, you don't do it by actually screwing up. You do it with an ambiguous comment that has a simple innocent explanation as well as the superficially suspicious one.
You just screwed up, Chaotix. You tried to make a "I'm so pro-town look at me complaining about the lousy play yesterday" comment, but you hadn't been paying enough attention to what actually happened to make it an accurate one. And you hadn't been paying that attention because with a couple of townies on the firing line, you didn't much care.
Vote: khaan
We do NOT need another runaway bandwagon this round. Last time was forgivable since it was Day 1... but let's not continue that tradition longer than it needs to go.
I say, since there's absolutely nothing else to go on, we start voting by good old behavioral analysis. And I think we are due an explanation from our new eager bandwagon-starter, khaan. Pressure vote for now.
I re-iterate: there was no runaway bandwagon yesterday.
Chaotix sounds scummy, but this is the second round in a row that I find Renata's behaviour suspicious.
I'll have to meditate on this.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 17:15
Chaotix, your so suspicious.
pevergreen
03-19-2010, 17:34
Chaotix sounds scummy, but this is the second round in a row that I find Renata's behaviour suspicious.
I'll have to meditate on this.
And by meditate, you of course mean drink.
Diamondeye
03-19-2010, 18:08
And by meditate, you of course mean drink.
That's a given.
I'm very suspicious of Chaotix as well.
Vote: Methos
Switching a vote only a short while before the round ends? Only I can do that.
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 18:14
Chaotix, your so suspicious.Says the man who has the quote for saying anything "suspicious":laugh4:
I am going to hound you until I die.....:inquisitive:
That's my WIFOM of the day....remember..."Heights":bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 18:17
Says the man who has the quote for saying anything "suspicious":laugh4:
Do you control the magic of science? Do you have a knowledge of chemistry?
White_eyes:D
03-19-2010, 18:41
That's clearly codewords for his "scum buddy":inquisitive:
I will translate...."Do you control the magic of science?" "White_eyes:D need to die in the way specified"
"Do you have a knowledge of chemistry?" "The WIFOM well be too much for people to even think it was us":beam:
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 18:47
Hey! I was suspicious because you made me out that way! Attacking things that weren't necessarily scummy, jumping on the slightest thing I said, barely fronting anyone else out... I was merely doing everything I could to prove my innocence save PMing you my Role PM directly! :P
Also, Pizza, I think it's a bit of a stretch to label Yaseikhaan's antics as "bold leadership". I've never played a game with him before SF/Mafia IX, so I'm unsure if this is just indicative of his style, but I feel that if we're going to follow someone's lead each turn, I'd prefer it not to be someone who thinks that disliking a film makes you scummy.
What Khaan was doing is choosing a candidate and asking for that person to wind up dead. Such is the essence of mafia games. If he picks several times and comes up with nada, then I shall grow weary of his perspective and add his head to the pile. By requesting our votes, he is showing us that he is a leader... one who will pay for his mistakes. So early in the game, I feel he can make one or two mistakes without penalty. Maybe he didn't read the fine print... maybe I neglected to put any fine print in there... but that is how I play the game. If you want my vote to lynch someone, you'd better be right. Khaan is a bold man for his decisiveness, his leadership, and his persistence. All he need worry about is whether he can put the last mafioso to death. If he can do that, then he won't join the dead.
As for.... so-called "reasons" for voting for someone, at this stage of the game... they are nothing but gibberish. The only thing I see when anyone posts, is their vote, or lack thereof... later on I will examine what they said and who they said it to and what they were arguing, with the benefit of hindsight to assist me. For now, all that matters is where you stand.
For anyone who is still in confusion about my "pressure vote", I'll spell it out:
It was a ploy- a mind-game designed to get the mafia to lodge their votes- since they are looking for evidence in behavior where there actually is none. My apparent lack of sense provided such an opportunity... and once again, the suspicious Renata took the bait right off the bat.
That is why I find Renata suspicious right now. Obviously, more people are inclined to take me seriously even after I said I wasn't being serious with tthat vote...
/\
Case in point; something about pressure and mind games.
I don't know what Chaotix is trying to accomplish with such a complex strategy. I believe he's over-thinking things. At this stage of the game, analysis is about as useful as random guessing. You're presented with a list of names. 2 or fewer are guilty on this list. You have no evidence upon which to base your accusation. The kills could have been randomized, and those kill descriptions look borrowed to me. It's quite early to be thinking of vote analysis or odd tactics.
And so, I am simply lodging a vote against the man who would attack dear leader Khaan. It is not Khaan's time to die yet, in my irrational opinion.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2010, 20:06
Vote: Winston Hughes
Okay, so I'm going to vote: Psychonaut until I get a reason.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 20:28
unvote:khaan, vote:Chaotix
Disco was mafia in one of GH's games, and just bandwagoned at will the first few rounds. In inishmore khaan was mafia, and only showed up the first 5 rounds or so to vote for me in increasingly rainbow type colors. So, khaan should be lynched soon. It's a mafioso behavior.
Vote: Methos
Switching a vote only a short while before the round ends? Only I can do that.
Uh, the vote is still going on, so I'm a bit confused as to your reasoning.
johnhughthom
03-19-2010, 21:00
Vote: Subotan
Centurion1
03-19-2010, 21:00
vote: renata you have been acting scummy all game
vote: renata you have been acting scummy all game
Nuh-uh.
Uh, the vote is still going on, so I'm a bit confused as to your reasoning.
I believe you did that the previous round?
Double A
03-19-2010, 21:42
Chaotix, your so suspicious.
But he does have a point.
woad&fangs
03-19-2010, 21:44
Chaotix seems like the typical early round scape-goat. Renata is supposedly acting scummy but I have never played with her so I don't know. Kage obviously has something against my new avatar. Therefore I will vote: Beefy until he explains why he should be lynched for the greater good.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 21:58
Chaotix seems like the typical early round scape-goat. Renata is supposedly acting scummy but I have never played with her so I don't know. Kage obviously has something against my new avatar. Therefore I will vote: Beefy until he explains why he should be lynched for the greater good.
But as an innocent townie, you will keep your hands clean of course...
Chaotix seems like the typical early round scape-goat. Renata is supposedly acting scummy but I have never played with her so I don't know. Kage obviously has something against my new avatar. Therefore I will vote: Beefy until he explains why he should be lynched for the greater good.
I would like to partake in the consumption of whatever hallucinogens this young man has had.
Double A
03-19-2010, 22:20
You'd have to change your avatar to a senile old duffer first.
I would just like to add, that upon reading this thread, people seem to be voting in chains, i.e. voting for the last person who voted, I don't know if this is because of there reasoning, if it is then its not a good reason to vote given how little evidence we have, hence why I didn't describe my vote at all, because if I told you why I voted for Tincow I would probably get votes for bad reasoning. :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2010, 22:24
This is what we do for the first 7 rounds. Then we try and figure out who the mafia are.
This is what we do for the first 7 rounds. Then we try and figure out who the mafia are.
Yes, Its a matter of gathering information, oh so gradually....
Apologies if I'm over-analyzing things. Since this is the first mafia game I've been in where there are NO pro-town roles... I had a notion that analysis was the only thing we had to go on besides a blind bandwagon. Now that I look at it, I'm just confusing you guys more than helping. :laugh4:
To Renata: Yes, you keep pressing the point that yesterday was not a "runaway" bandwagon. It started as a large bandwagon, and this was khaan's intention, until you came under suspicion, and then, yes, it became a close tie vote. With you only narrowly escaping the lynch, I might add.
Lynch me if you feel you must, but it's not going to help our cause. It will be even less useful than following one of khaan's rather random bandwagons. If you think I'm acting suspicious, look at older games I've been in. This is what I'm like when I "get serious", so to speak. I'm on spring break so I've got a lot of time to devote to this game now... and I intend to help win it for the town. If I can do that better by not using controversial and confusing methods, I suppose I will do that instead.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2010, 23:38
Lynch me if you feel you must, but it's not going to help our cause. It will be even less useful than following one of khaan's rather random bandwagons.
Why would following you be any more or less random than following khaan? I understand from your perspective you're innocent (or shouldn't be lynched in any case) but I don't know that.
The tiny bit of lazy analysis that I've done so far is that random bandwagons are the hardest to defend against, the hardest to reverse, the hardest to avoid. Khaan is giving almost no reasons, and there aren't any reasons to give, really. If not you, then who? Why not anyone here?
Someone is voting for someone who isn't me, and that's a person who could very well be scum. Why should I not follow? I am certainly not going to follow all game. In fact I may end up voting for Khaan soon enough. But for now, I am prepared to kill anyone he says. How's that for reasons?
And if the mafia don't like that, they can kill me, so my analysis will never be tainted by doubt that I'm innocent.
The problem with random bandwagons is that, no matter how effective they may be (they are very effective at working. Effective at catching scum? Less so.), they are random. Instead of voting for someone because you find him/her suspicious, you are voting someone because someone else said so, because they decided to pick that person at random. There is no "analysis" involved in it at all.
I would think that if the town was actively trying to find the mafia, then we would have a better chance than if we just lynched some person at random every day.
But you'll notice, I'm no longer voting for khaan. He's less important right now, because in all likelihood he's just following an unorthodox school of thought. I am voting for Renata... who opted for the easy vote on me since she wants to keep a low profile after that close tie yesterday.
Centurion1
03-20-2010, 00:58
Nuh-uh.
scummy response see if you analyze the secret mafia code you can see...... scum.
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 01:18
The problem with random bandwagons is that, no matter how effective they may be (they are very effective at working. Effective at catching scum? Less so.), they are random. Instead of voting for someone because you find him/her suspicious, you are voting someone because someone else said so, because they decided to pick that person at random. There is no "analysis" involved in it at all.
Analysis can be just as flawed as randomness. And the wonderful thing about random is, it's unbiased... unable to be reasoned with... unable to be decieved... unable to be persuaded. It's also totally fair.
I feel a Harvey Two-Face speech coming up...
I would think that if the town was actively trying to find the mafia, then we would have a better chance than if we just lynched some person at random every day.
Let me ask you a question, Chaotix... if that is your real name...
How well do you think we would do if we did indeed lynch a random person every day? In order for the mafia to win, they would have had to have not been selected by random.org every single phase of the game. I don't know about you.... but I think the odds are in our favor. I like them. I like those odds. I especially like those odds in a situation which defies analysis... a situation where, we don't have much to analyze yet. A situation where we could be persuaded and cajoled and threatened into destroying ourselves like lemmings off a cliff. How dangerous is an unpredictable town? How dangerous is one that can be reasoned with, persuaded, threatened, and avoided? The random lynch cannot be avoided, unless luck is on your side. And no one has control over that.
That, is more dangerous to the mafia than your analysis or mine. And perhaps I will change my mind, and crack my knuckles and do some analysis later. But for now, I am decided on the proper course of action. A festival of chaos and vigilante justice... bodies hanging at odd angles... a carousel of death, I see before me! The sheer madness of it all... it makes me smile.
But you'll notice, I'm no longer voting for khaan. He's less important right now, because in all likelihood he's just following an unorthodox school of thought. I am voting for Renata... who opted for the easy vote on me since she wants to keep a low profile after that close tie yesterday.
:pumpkin:
If you say so.
Beefy187
03-20-2010, 01:20
Chaotix seems like the typical early round scape-goat. Renata is supposedly acting scummy but I have never played with her so I don't know. Kage obviously has something against my new avatar. Therefore I will vote: Beefy until he explains why he should be lynched for the greater good.
So I have to explain why I should be lynched?
Well if its for the greater good....
I should be lynched because I don't contribute to town discussion that much.
I often just hop on a bandwagon rather then building my own case.
I'm also acting scummy. I'm one of the suspect as you can see from more then one votes on me.
Its also fun lynching me. Beskar will taunt me. Pizza will protect me. TheFlax will weap for me.
Oh and Secura will take over my identity.
How well do you think we would do if we did indeed lynch a random person every day? In order for the mafia to win, they would have had to have not been selected by random.org every single phase of the game. I don't know about you.... but I think the odds are in our favor. I like them. I like those odds. I especially like those odds in a situation which defies analysis... a situation where, we don't have much to analyze yet. A situation where we could be persuaded and cajoled and threatened into destroying ourselves like lemmings off a cliff. How dangerous is an unpredictable town? How dangerous is one that can be reasoned with, persuaded, threatened, and avoided? The random lynch cannot be avoided, unless luck is on your side. And no one has control over that.
I think you are forgetting the possibility that the one operating the random machine could be mafia and might tweak it his favour. :shrug:
---
Also:
I'll be gone for the rest of the weekend. I know this kind of messages are frowned upon lately, but there is nothing I can do since I have to work until monday in a place where the internet has not yet been established.
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 01:34
I think you are forgetting the possibility that the one operating the random machine could be mafia and might tweak it his favour. :shrug:
I think you underestimate the power of pepperoni! Those who suggest who should be killed must die! You see that way no sane mafia would ever suggest a random lynch! Bwahahahaha!!!
I love this strategy.
I think you underestimate the power of pepperoni! Those who suggest who should be killed must die! You see that way no sane mafia would ever suggest a random lynch! Bwahahahaha!!!
I love this strategy.
Yeah, I understand, but in a game like this, were there is no post lynch reveal, how do you judge the success of a lynch. With your logic the one suggesting the lynches would have to get the two mafia within no time. Otherwise he'd be dead meat. But I see, all it needs is pure and heroic commitment to the town cause, so you may be right after all.
Oh and Secura will take over my identity.
:curtain:
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 02:10
Yeah, I understand, but in a game like this, were there is no post lynch reveal, how do you judge the success of a lynch. With your logic the one suggesting the lynches would have to get the two mafia within no time. Otherwise he'd be dead meat. But I see, all it needs is pure and heroic commitment to the town cause, so you may be right after all.
How do you judge the success of a lynch? When the game is over with a town victory. :yes: That's pretty much all we have.
Pure and heroic commitment to the town cause is what I'm all about, my friend. Who's afraid of the big bad lynch? Not me!
Ok, then, smart guy.
If you're so committed to these random lynches, then why are you still voting for me on suspicion instead of following the lead of the glorious leader?
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 02:35
Ok, then, smart guy.
If you're so committed to these random lynches, then why are you still voting for me on suspicion instead of following the lead of the glorious leader?
Because you're opposed to random lynches, and I think that's scummy. :tongue2:
What are you hiding?
Beefy187
03-20-2010, 02:46
Well theres two ways of winning classical mafia games.
Monarchy and Democracy.
Good thing about Monarchy is that if our leader is pure and righteous. We have a very good chance of hitting the scum.
Ideally it should be someone dead who has the skill to hunt mafias.
Negative, mafia can simply stay on leaders good books. While the town can do nothing but blindly follow the leaders leadership.
Or we can do a democracy. We all talk up, battle our ideas. And get completely confused. That way we avoid having a incompetent leader.
In both ways we ought to talk up.
Currently we are taking the orthodox approach.
Now when I started typing this, this post had a purpose. Now I forgot what it was.. So just skip through..
I've decided that I am convinced by Pizza's defense of 'khann; I'm not necessarily going to agree with his bandwagon suggestions and vote accordingly, but I do admire the fact that he's stood up and taken charge of things. At this early a stage in the game, there isn't much to go on, and I was suspicious of him for what I am assured is typical behaviour.
unvote: Yaseikhaan
I've been mulling the thread over, taking into consideration those killed and the votes that have been cast, and a few things stand out as suspicious to me. The one unshakable thing is Methos' unvoting of Renata in the previous day phase... why?
DE's argument does make sense, both both for and against him. For now, I'll lean Unvote/Vote: Renata.
Initially he claims to support Diamondeye's arguments, although he doesn't clarify why, and he votes for Renata accordingly.
I realize this is going to look suspicious, but I'm heading out for work soon, so will more then likely miss the update.
Unvote: Renata
Now consider this post; he states that he is aware his actions are going to look suspicious, but he unvotes regardless. He does not place his vote elsewhere, either, despite stating that he feels Diamond could have been mafia too. What is the reasoning behind unvoting as such?
I miss most game updates/write-ups in the Gameroom because the hosts tend to be American and they're posting at least five hours behind Greenwich Meantime. Most of these updates tend to come in the evening, which I inevitably miss because I'm usually asleep at 4am GMT, but you do not see me unvoting, particularly if it is "going to look suspicious".
In short, I don't see a need to unvote if he was sure that Renata was guilty, and if he was not, he had professed Diamond was suspicious, so surely a vote in that direction would have been plausible.
Currently I can only think of three reasons behind this behaviour:
- Methos and Renata are the mafia; in an attempt at distancing himself he joined the arguments against Renata, but knowing that he had to head out to work, he couldn't be certain that his vote wouldn't lead to his scum buddie's death, so he unvoted to be sure. He posted "I know this is gonna look suspicious" in order to dissipate some of the pressure that he might face, then leaves the thread until the next day; his scum buddy survives by a single vote.
- Methos is the mafia, Renata is not; he voted in an attempt to blend in with the crowd, but realised that someone like Renata is a bad enemy to have; she's more than capable of picking apart an argument/vote and he perhaps wanted a townie on-side. She is saved from trouble by that single vote.
- Methos is simply town drawing attention to himself and I'm blowing everything out of proportion.
I'll concede that it's a possibility, but that unvote has been bugging me for the last few days and I'd like answers.
vote: Methos
I've decided that I am convinced by Pizza's defense of 'khann; I'm not necessarily going to agree with his bandwagon suggestions and vote accordingly, but I do admire the fact that he's stood up and taken charge of things. At this early a stage in the game, there isn't much to go on, and I was suspicious of him for what I am assured is typical behaviour.
unvote: Yaseikhaan
I've been mulling the thread over, taking into consideration those killed and the votes that have been cast, and a few things stand out as suspicious to me. The one unshakable thing is Methos' unvoting of Renata in the previous day phase... why?
Initially he claims to support Diamondeye's arguments, although he doesn't clarify why, and he votes for Renata accordingly.
Now consider this post; he states that he is aware his actions are going to look suspicious, but he unvotes regardless. He does not place his vote elsewhere, either, despite stating that he feels Diamond could have been mafia too. What is the reasoning behind unvoting as such?
I miss most game updates/write-ups in the Gameroom because the hosts tend to be American and they're posting at least five hours behind Greenwich Meantime. Most of these updates tend to come in the evening, which I inevitably miss because I'm usually asleep at 4am GMT, but you do not see me unvoting, particularly if it is "going to look suspicious".
In short, I don't see a need to unvote if he was sure that Renata was guilty, and if he was not, he had professed Diamond was suspicious, so surely a vote in that direction would have been plausible.
Currently I can only think of three reasons behind this behaviour:
- Methos and Renata are the mafia; in an attempt at distancing himself he joined the arguments against Renata, but knowing that he had to head out to work, he couldn't be certain that his vote wouldn't lead to his scum buddie's death, so he unvoted to be sure. He posted "I know this is gonna look suspicious" in order to dissipate some of the pressure that he might face, then leaves the thread until the next day; his scum buddy survives by a single vote.
- Methos is the mafia, Renata is not; he voted in an attempt to blend in with the crowd, but realised that someone like Renata is a bad enemy to have; she's more than capable of picking apart an argument/vote and he perhaps wanted a townie on-side. She is saved from trouble by that single vote.
- Methos is simply town drawing attention to himself and I'm blowing everything out of proportion.
I'll concede that it's a possibility, but that unvote has been bugging me for the last few days and I'd like answers.
vote: Methos
That is... well, that's convincing. Better case than Renata at the moment, definitely. And even still, it supports the Renata case as well. I'm going for it.
Unvote: Renata
Vote: Methos
Edit to ATPG:
I am opposed to random lynches because they are rather unreliable, and I am far from the only one. Obviously there are only two scummy people in this game, yet khaan has more critics than supporters. Are we all somehow scummy?
Also, no matter what justification you give for voting me... it's still hypocritical because it's based on a justification or a suspicion, and not on randomness. ~;p
How well do you think we would do if we did indeed lynch a random person every day? In order for the mafia to win, they would have had to have not been selected by random.org every single phase of the game. I don't know about you.... but I think the odds are in our favor. I like them. I like those odds.
Whilst worth considering that we lose 2 people each night, the chances of killing both aren't that good, especially given that random votes easily become biased when a rubbish reason is put in front of it, which then leads to pre-mediated votes.
That is... well, that's convincing. Better case than Renata at the moment, definitely. And even still, it supports the Renata case as well. I'm going for it.
Unvote: Renata
Vote: Methos
I'm unsure if your vote counts because the post has been edited, but feel free to shoot me down for that one if I'm wrong. :3
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 03:49
Whilst worth considering that we lose 2 people each night, the chances of killing both aren't that good, especially given that random votes easily become biased when a rubbish reason is put in front of it, which then leads to pre-mediated votes.
I feel like I am not articulating my point. I wouldn't follow someone based on their "reasoning" this early in the game, because their reasoning is nonsense. It's trying to make a guessing game into something scientific when it isn't.
The chances of killing both mafia increase substantially when we don't buy into their bullspit. Randomness negates that. Who decides what is random? I don't know. roll the dice, pick a card. Whoever suggests that someone dies based on no reasoning should end up dead later. Therefore I trust their opinion as far as I can hang their soon-to-be lifeless body. That's my system.
When others suggest "well I dunno... maybe they are mafia and they are just trying to lead us to death" I think people are totally, totally ignoring all my posts regarding how completely dumb it is for someone to suggest that we should follow them, when the caveat for me following them is that I will personally work to make sure they end up dead later on. And I would hope you all would as well.
This is a tactic. You can agree or disagree with it, vote me to death for it, ignore it... but please don't mischaracterize it.
But, I've explained myself as best I can. I now feel like I'm beating it to death by even talking about it.
GeneralHankerchief
03-20-2010, 03:56
I don't tally votes until I close voting, so edited posts are fine. Just don't be sneaky and edit a post from 18 hours ago or something to put a vote in.
-edit- Let's make it an hour to I close voting.
Thank you for the quick clarification! :bow:
Unvote: White_eyes:D Unvote: Winston Hughes
Vote: Secura
=)
=O
Captain Blackadder
03-20-2010, 04:25
Vote: Secura
Seems to be acting scummy.
Vote: Secura
Seems to be acting scummy.
You've actually got to be kidding me with this vote.
It is nice Secura adopted the wisdom of my vote.
GeneralHankerchief
03-20-2010, 05:00
Voting closed.
Stand by for the execution.
GeneralHankerchief
03-20-2010, 05:46
Day Two of voting had officially ended. All in all the day was a bit more subdued than yesterday, although there were still several interesting discussions that happened. Several of the townspeople took very professorial tones when discussing their cases - although truth be told it was more about the theory of wider detective work than actual cases on people - and others, much to the chagrin of the official vote-counters, voted for targets that had no chance of getting lynched.
Early in the day though, Chaotix set himself to be the main target. However, this was not because he was the object of the passionate-but-random bandwagon that doomed Diamondeye. Instead, he was bandwagoned because he spoke out against that exact type of bandwagon; too loudly, some reasoned. "Almost as if he had something to hide," one villager would say afterwards.
Chaotix, however, would not lie down and die, instead trying to engage the "professorial" townies with academic logic of his own. This endeavor was mildly successful, but the increasingly-verbose Chaotix, forgetting how he got into this situation in the first place, probably kept talking too much for his own good.
"See, now, folks," he said, "the problem is with random lynches is that they're just that: random! They fail to factor in the data or the context of the situation, which means that in reality their percent chance of success is actually lower than what it should be because the Mafia know this and are thus able to manipulate the context to make it less likely that the 'random' votes will attract them, which means that in reality random votes are not random at all! So, faced with this parcel of knowledge, we should instead not randomly, but purposefully, vote for those who would randomly vote for others, since their randomness is precisely the purpose and unrandomness that dooms us all! So, in conclusion, the random achieves predetermined, manipulated results, and only by fighting the random can we truly embrace it! Uh, mind getting your votes off me now?"
General bewilderment and silence followed this discourse.
Chaotix tried to reword his argument so that the unenlightened peons would be able to better understand the majesty of his rhetoric, but Chief of Police Lemur stepped in and formally called a halt to voting. "A pretty speech my friend, but it's too little, too late. You have the most votes. Step on up to the execution platform now."
Softly cursing, Chaotix did as he was told, still muttering under his breath about the value of randomness in voting. As he mounted the steps to the execution platform he changed the subject, openly about to ask Lemur a question. "You know, Chief, so what do I-WAAAAAAGH!" On the final step, Chaotix had failed to notice the placement of a banana peel and slipped on it, falling face forward.
Fortunately, there was something to break his fall. Unfortunately, it was a giant spike. Chaotix fell right into it, the spike impaling him through the mouth.
Lemur shook his head. "Should've kept his mouth shut," he said.
Day 2 tally:
Chaotix: 5 (Renata, Joooray, Csargo, ATPG, Sasaki) :skull:
Methos: 4 (Beskar, shlin, Secura, Chaotix)
Subotan: 3 (khaan, TinCow, john)
Secura: 2 (Psychonaut, Blackadder)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (White_eyes)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Reenk)
Yaseikhaan: 1 (Methos)
Joooray: 1 (Beefy)
Renata: 1 (Centurion)
woad&fangs: 1 (Kage)
Beskar: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
Psychonaut: 1 (Winston)
Beefy187: 1 (woad)
TinCow: 1 (Thermal)
Abstained: 1 (pevergreen)
Didn't vote: 4 (Sigurd, Kage, Subotan, CDF)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (28)
Yaseikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Csargo
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Sigurd
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Winston Hughes
Centurion1
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2010, 07:16
Also, no matter what justification you give for voting me... it's still hypocritical because it's based on a justification or a suspicion, and not on randomness. ~;p
-A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today.
I may vote randomly or I may vote against someone who thinks random is a bad idea. And while not purely consistent, it is still based on the same philosophy.
I realize the update has already occurred, but I'll answer these anyway.
I've been mulling the thread over, taking into consideration those killed and the votes that have been cast, and a few things stand out as suspicious to me. The one unshakable thing is Methos' unvoting of Renata in the previous day phase... why?
Now consider this post; he states that he is aware his actions are going to look suspicious, but he unvotes regardless. He does not place his vote elsewhere, either, despite stating that he feels Diamond could have been mafia too. What is the reasoning behind unvoting as such?
I work in the evening and work blocks this site. I can access this site via my iPhone, but since these games move so fast, I prefer to wait until I get home (Midnight Central US time) and use my Mac.
I had chatted with Renata and I could tell that she didn't care about whether she was lynched or not. I felt that if she was mafia, she would have argued, but she didn't. Note, I said argued, not argued more. She didn't seem to care at all. Being that it was so early in the game, I figured that she felt since she didn't have anything invested in the game, then she didn't care about being lynched. My belief was she was a townie and I didn't want my vote to accidently cause her lynch.
In short, I don't see a need to unvote if he was sure that Renata was guilty, and if he was not, he had professed Diamond was suspicious,
As I stated above, I was sure Renata was a townie and since I was in the process of leaving for work, I simply unvoted and left it at that.
Currently I can only think of three reasons behind this behaviour:
- Methos and Renata are the mafia; in an attempt at distancing himself he joined the arguments against Renata, but knowing that he had to head out to work, he couldn't be certain that his vote wouldn't lead to his scum buddie's death, so he unvoted to be sure. He posted "I know this is gonna look suspicious" in order to dissipate some of the pressure that he might face, then leaves the thread until the next day; his scum buddy survives by a single vote.
Seems rather foolish to me. Why would two mafia do something that makes them both look scummy?
- Methos is the mafia, Renata is not; he voted in an attempt to blend in with the crowd, but realised that someone like Renata is a bad enemy to have; she's more than capable of picking apart an argument/vote and he perhaps wanted a townie on-side. She is saved from trouble by that single vote.
If I was mafia and thought Renata was a bad enemy to have then wouldn't I want her to be lynched? Plus, trying to hide my mafianess from Renata would be darn near impossible. It'd be much safer to string her up.
- Methos is simply town drawing attention to himself and I'm blowing everything out of proportion.
Er, unfortunately this is correct. At least I didn't have to agree to you stating I'm an idiot, rather then just implying it. :embarassed:
One thing I do find interesting is that Secura is asking questions she knows the answer to. In the d20 game I had stated that I was unable to access the site from work due to the firewall, yet I could access QT just fine and I preferred conversations done via QT (kept me from typing on my phone). Why ask why I didn't vote before the update when you knew about my work firewall?
I had chatted with Renata and I could tell that she didn't care about whether she was lynched or not. I felt that if she was mafia, she would have argued, but she didn't. Note, I said argued, not argued more. She didn't seem to care at all.
And how can you be certain that this isn't WIFOM in itself, and simply something that Renata wishes you to believe? You cannot take someone's words as mere face value in mafia, because anything and everything could be a ploy to trick you.
I personally don't buy it. Everyone should have something vested in this game, town or otherwise; there's no power roles, it's down to town to win the game not investigation results. The opinion of every townie counts, dead or alive.
Why would two mafia do something that makes them both look scummy?
WIFOM, that's why.
If I was mafia and thought Renata was a bad enemy to have then wouldn't I want her to be lynched? Plus, trying to hide my mafianess from Renata would be darn near impossible. It'd be much safer to string her up.
I concede that this is entirely plausible, but bad enemies can just as often make good allies. I take Noblesse Oblige as an example here; Csargo (as Kira) attempted to kill me in an early night phase, and I was set on finding and killing him after surviving his heart attack, yet eventually he became my ally by the end of the game.
Necessity can make you change your opinions of things and perhaps look for allies in unlikely places, that's all.
I'm curious though, why would you be unable to hide being mafia from Renata?
Er, unfortunately this is correct. At least I didn't have to agree to you stating I'm an idiot, rather then just implying it. :embarassed:
I apologise if it seems as though I was calling you an idiot, that wasn't my intention. Townies do ballsy, occasionally foolish things all the time; it's how we lure out the scum. Look at Beskar in Shadow Fort; he was almost lynched for trying this.
One thing I do find interesting is that Secura is asking questions she knows the answer to. In the d20 game I had stated that I was unable to access the site from work due to the firewall, yet I could access QT just fine and I preferred conversations done via QT (kept me from typing on my phone). Why ask why I didn't vote before the update when you knew about my work firewall?
While I might have been informed about this in the past, I concede that I had forgotten about your work firewall; I simply have alot more important things to remember. I do remember that you posted via iPhone, but you casting a vote while at work wasn't the crux of my argument; I wanted to know why you unvoted Renata as you did, that's all.
Secura = guilty. :wink2: ~;p
Diamondeye
03-20-2010, 17:49
I don't tally votes until I close voting, so edited posts are fine. Just don't be sneaky and edit a post from 18 hours ago or something to put a vote in.
-edit- Let's make it an hour to I close voting.
You'll want to edit your signature unless we are still needing sign-ups for this game, Gen'ral :beam:
Secura = guilty. :wink2: ~;p
Actually plausible enough.
Centurion1
03-20-2010, 17:53
secura my voting finger is itching.
johnhughthom
03-20-2010, 18:02
Vote: Secura
Always scummy, but always scum? Lets find out.
Actually plausible enough.
I was under the impression that Psychonaut was joking around, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why it's plausible. :3
I feel like I am not articulating my point. I wouldn't follow someone based on their "reasoning" this early in the game, because their reasoning is nonsense. It's trying to make a guessing game into something scientific when it isn't.
You might not, I might not, but many people already have, if you ready my post on chain voting, you'd see my point, that people seem to be voting for the last person who voted, because they vote isn't well constructed, well there not going to be well constructed at this stage....
The chances of killing both mafia increase substantially when we don't buy into their bullspit. Randomness negates that. Who decides what is random? I don't know. roll the dice, pick a card. Whoever suggests that someone dies based on no reasoning should end up dead later. Therefore I trust their opinion as far as I can hang their soon-to-be lifeless body. That's my system.
But townies are all to happy to tell 'bullspit' too, mafia may be happy just to lay low...either way, randomness at the start is about the best you can do, but as we progress, analysis and pattern spotting is clearer and able to give up a better chance of catching mafia than any old random pick.
When others suggest "well I dunno... maybe they are mafia and they are just trying to lead us to death" I think people are totally, totally ignoring all my posts regarding how completely dumb it is for someone to suggest that we should follow them, when the caveat for me following them is that I will personally work to make sure they end up dead later on. And I would hope you all would as well.
This is a tactic. You can agree or disagree with it, vote me to death for it, ignore it... but please don't mischaracterize it.
But, I've explained myself as best I can. I now feel like I'm beating it to death by even talking about it.
Following people in a game like this is not a good idea, you should create you own lead, whether that is out of randomness (as you suggest) or from analysis (which is basically randomness which turns into something more useful as the game progresses). So I agree following people is poor, as they are also voting randomly or are mafia and making things worse, but people do it, a lot of people, which is why I wouldn't condemn them all for it, as you would...
I agree in part, no need to vote against you for an interesting strategy, I don't feel I mischaracterized it.
Not at all, thanks for the reply. :bow:
Centurion1
03-20-2010, 18:25
secura i was joking.
Diamondeye
03-20-2010, 18:40
I was under the impression that Psychonaut was joking around, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on why it's plausible. :3
If I actually was mafia I'd be clapping my hands right now since Secura just forwarded me an innocent PM.
Since I am not, I'll just say we should be careful with who we forward the innocent PM to. Not that I would suspect GH of leaving the mafia without a copy of it, but whatever.
The town has my word that Secura is able to procure the innocent PM. Whether that means anything, I'll let others decide.
Oh and to actually respond to your question; you're far from the top suspect, you're simply good at looking scummy.
I knew you were innocent though, which is why I didn't advocate your bandwagon (don't think Chaotix was scum either), and thus why I showed you the PM that is identical to your own. I wouldn't have done that if you weren't dead, nor would I have done so if I wasn't so bloody frustrated right now.
I still want to know what it is that appeared scummy in my Methos-related post, though; if something I'm doing is looking scummy when I'm town, then I'm playing bad or your interpretations are askew.
To me, my post is explanitory and offers food for thought to town regarding Methos and Renata (the latter particularly, who seems to have gone from a near-death experience in the first day phase to a single vote in the second), and I've asked two very good players about my post and they've agreed it doesn't seem scummy, but to others it seems to be. I'd like to know why it's considered scummy to explain one's thoughts but not to simply type a vote and a short, unrelated sentence such as "vote: X. X needs to die".
I'd like to know why it's considered scummy to explain one's thoughts but not to simply type a vote and a short, unrelated sentence such as "vote: X. X needs to die".
Not true, since you basucally ripped it from my post, Diamond Eyes and Ibn both said it was scummy.
In short, people talk out of their behind and they are the ones who should be lynched.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-20-2010, 18:59
Secura, I already told you about this in dethy mini. Trying to prove your innocence with things like forwarding pm's and claiming roles is scummy, because it works really, really well for mafia. In capo I acquired the townie pm and later a detective pm as mafia. Many mafioso's have done that. Giving the mafia the townie pm or a fake claim is standard modding procedure. Captain Blackadder gave Double A a fake claim remember? So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.
People are jumping on your case on methos because they think it's scummy that you'd make a big persuasive post this early.
Sasaki's ending line is the reason I didn't bother and just said that Methos needs to die. Anyone with a brain cell automatically knew why I said that (such as Renata), those without are the obvious ones.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-20-2010, 19:04
I think khaan needs to die.
So when you do that, it really says nothing about you being townie. What it does do is convince some people that you are innocent--without good reason. Which makes it very appealing for mafia to try.
So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?
Not true, since you basucally ripped it from my post, Diamond Eyes and Ibn both said it was scummy.
People do this all the time though. Your vote was picked up on because of who you are; I've seen similar votes slip by all the time without anyone batting an eyelid.
In short, people talk out of their behind and they are the ones who should be lynched.
Am I in that club? I spoke to you about Methos at your home yesterday, and you expressed frustration that nobody else seemed to care about his unvoting; I genuinely found it suspicious and agreed with you, so I posted what I did. He answered and abated some of my concerns, but new ones arose as a result.
Secura, I already told you about this in dethy mini. Trying to prove your innocence with things like forwarding pm's and claiming roles is scummy, because it works really, really well for mafia.
Yes, and I was town there too. I'm fine with being accused like so when I'm mafia, because at least people are right in their suspicions, but when I'm town it frustrates me beyond comprehension because it seems to say "you're doing it wrong". It seems like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't most of the time.
People are jumping on your case on methos because they think it's scummy that you'd make a big persuasive post this early.
It's me laying down my thoughts on the situation, because nobody else seems to do so beyond one or two noncommittal sentences. It's like two English gentleman sat down simply exchanging monosyllabic pleasantries with one another; "mmmm", "yes", "quite", "rather", and it was irking the hell out of me.
The thread needed some more debate injected into it beyond stupid random bandwagonning and I took that to task. As I said, Methos' unvoting had been unchallenged by all except Beskar, and Renata's five votes decreased to a single vote despite the fact she was still setting off people's scumdars.
If I'm scummy for doing that, then I play town wrong and I should stop now.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-20-2010, 19:12
So why do you believe Jolt in Shadow Fort then?
I believed him before he posted the pm.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-20-2010, 19:15
Yes, and I was town there too. I'm fine with being accused like so when I'm mafia, because at least people are right in their suspicions, but when I'm town it frustrates me beyond comprehension because it seems to say "you're doing it wrong". It seems like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't most of the time.
Well, simply, since it doesn't make you innocent and is a very good tactic for mafia, you will get voted for it. This is why "I always lurk" doesn't work as a defense either.
It's me laying down my thoughts on the situation, because nobody else seems to do so beyond one or two noncommittal sentences. It's like two English gentleman sat down simply exchanging monosyllabic pleasantries with one another; "mmmm", "yes", "quite", "rather", and it was irking the hell out of me.
The thread needed some more debate injected into it beyond stupid random bandwagonning and I took that to task. As I said, Methos' unvoting had been unchallenged by all except Beskar, and Renata's five votes decreased to a single vote despite the fact she was still setting off people's scumdars.
If I'm scummy for doing that, then I play town wrong and I should stop now.
I didn't mind your methos case. But you look less scummy if you ask him questions to draw him out, and only focus your claims on the scummiest things he's done rather than the little things. This works when accusing people as scum too.
I believed him before he posted the pm.
And why was that?
LOL, I did it again, wrong thread.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2010, 00:09
Will you people be quiet??? I'm trying to murder and all I hear is YAK YAK YAK.
The next person who talks gets to die first.
The next person who talks gets to die first.
Someone has to post after a post like this, which is why I'm pointing out how scummy it is, it helps mafia create confusion should what your saying come true, which if you are mafia isn't an issue...
:wink2:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-21-2010, 00:19
Subotan and Kagemusha are going to die tonight.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2010, 00:20
Subotan and Kagemusha are going to die tonight.
Sounds good, I'll get right on that. But not before Thermal dies. He's gotta go because he thinks I'm scummy. Can't be too careful.
Sounds good, I'll get right on that. But not before Thermal dies. He's gotta go because he thinks I'm scummy. Can't be too careful.
Don't murder me, if you do I can't vote for you :shame:
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2010, 00:27
Don't murder me, if you do I can't vote for you :shame:
After I kill you, I'd be sorely disappointed if this was used against me the next day as evidence that I did so. But you do realize that since you said you'd vote for me, I absolutely MUST kill you tonight.
If that does not happen, then people will doubt my murderous powers. So I must insist on killing you, and the method of your death will be:
Being dropped into a vat of molten mercury
Being dropped into a vat of molten mercury
That's hot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd9VwVPEhnQ).
:laugh4:
Being dropped into a vat of molten mercury
FINALLY, a reunion.
Only thing is, I am probably only the vast minority who is laughing because of Pizza's statement for vastly different reasons.
White_eyes:D
03-21-2010, 01:01
Pizzaguy has the best death write-ups....:bounce:
GH dying by the Queen is the best so far....:laugh4:
[Yeah, I think I'm going to need to start a "things we don't speak of" list - GH]
GeneralHankerchief
03-21-2010, 01:09
Will you people be quiet??? I'm trying to murder and all I hear is YAK YAK YAK.
The next person who talks gets to die first.
I kind of really wanted to be around when this was posted so I could have gotten the one after it.
I kind of really wanted to be around when this was posted so I could have gotten the one after it.
I thought it would have been good if you were after I posted, :creep:
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2010, 02:50
GH dying by the Queen is the best so far....:laugh4:
Bow chicka bow wow.... ROOOOOAAAAARRRR..... WAAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!!..... CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH.... yum.
GeneralHankerchief
03-21-2010, 06:41
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. The unmarked van was once again puttering through the sleepy streets, searching for its next target. After a few minutes of driving, the mafioso found a house he liked, parked it, and once again walked out.
*ding dong*
Centurion1, still dressed in his nightgown and sleeping cap, opened the door after about a minute. He wore a very drowsy expression on his face. "...yes...?" he mumbled.
"Accountant," said the man at the door, stepping into the house without being invited. "It's tax season, you know! Nowadays more people than ever are getting audited because they didn't file their taxes on time. You don't want the government taking more money just because you were a little late mailing some papers, do you?"
"I don't think that's much of a problem considering I'm likely to die in the next few days," Centurion said.
"Nonsense, nonsense," the accountant said, far too cheerily. "Say hypothetically for a moment that you survive this. You're alive, sure, but all of this is bound to be a traumatizing experience. You might even have PTSS afterwards. The last thing you're going to want to do is some soul-crushing pencil-pushing, right? No, you just want to relax and recuperate! So why don't you worry about staying alive and I worry about making sure your finances are in order?"
Centurion thought about it, but it was far too early to really mount a defense to this man's quick tongue. "Well... all right."
"Excellent, excellent," the account said, continuing his penchant for repeating the first statement in his speeches twice. "Now then, the first thing we need to worry about is excess paper. You really don't need more than ten or so sheets that tell you all about your finances, so the rest of it's just liable to get in your way and royally confuse you. So, today we're going to do nothing more than get rid of those papers. Do you have a shredder by any chance?" Centurion nodded, pointing to the room it was in. "Well, all right then," said the accountant, "let's head on over then, by all means!"
The two of them walked to the room that substituted for Centurion's office. In it were several filing cabinets and a small if serviceable paper shredder mounted over a trash can. Taking note of his surroundings, the accountant started directing Centurion. "Okay," he said, "why don't you go into that first cabinet on the left and bring me every paper in there?" Centurion complied, and as his back was to the accountant, the accountant made his way to the shredder and stealthily unplugged it.
"Here they are," said Centurion, turning around with a large handful of papers.
"Right," said the accountant, "Why don't you just start shredding them then?" Centurion did so, but quickly turned to the accountant.
"It doesn't work," he said. "That's odd, I was just playing with it a couple weeks ago and it seemed fine..."
"That brand of shredder is notoriously unreliable," the accountant said, quickly cutting Centurion off before he could think things through. "Here, I've got my own." He rummaged through his bag and somehow managed to pull out a very large, industrial-strength shredder that had no business fitting in a standard business bag. Upon seeing Centurion gaze upon the size of the shredder, he chuckled. "In my business, sometimes you have to shred a *lot* of paper. This bad boy takes care of the business quickly for you. Anyway, try it out for yourself!"
Centurion did so, noting the sharpness of the saws as he put his first pieces of paper in.
"Keep going, keep going!" the accountant said, smoothly stepping out from next to the trash can and moving behind Centurion. As Centurion got more and more involved in the task, the accountant decided it was finally time to act. He gave Centurion a little nudge and Centurion toppled over forward, falling over, before he could stop himself, directly into the industrial-strength shredder. The shredder was so efficient that it even was able to stop Centurion's guts from splashing out and ruining all the walls, instead having all of it collect in the trash can.
"Now that's efficient shredding," the mafioso said, walking back to his van.
The Frontroom Caves were for the most part unexplored. Most of the villagers regarded them as dark, dank, disgusting, and scary. Sure, they were interesting ecological features, but if asked, most of the villagers would say that some ecological features are best left to nature, and that's that.
Csargo was not one of these people, however. An amateur spelunker, he had explored the caves many times, finding lots of interesting features. He only indulged himself a couple of times a year, as spelunking equipment was expensive and difficult to maintain, but today was one of those days. Plus, he figured that the day's excursion would serve as a good hiding place for a mafia attack.
Entering the mouth of the cave, Csargo lowered himself down to the "atrium", if you will, and saw the usual paths: Left, right, and center. He had gone center and right many times, but never to the left. "Might as well today," he said to himself, and then headed left.
He quickly realized why he had usually headed to the right and center. While there was water to the right and lots of interesting paths and rocks in the center, the left path just kept going straight, deep into the cave, getting darker and darker. Ignoring a path off to the left which looked like it lead to a singular room, Csargo decided to keep heading straight. "I want to see how deep this cave actually goes," he said, and kept walking.
About thirty seconds later, a very large spider skittered by him. Stopping in his tracks, Csargo looked all around, wondering where the spider could possibly have come from. He was about to shake it off and keep walking when three more spiders, all relatively enormous, crawled by, one of them starting to climb up his leg before he hurriedly brushed it off.
It was at this point where Csargo realized exactly how far away from rescue he actually was. He had been walking down this path for a good fifteen minutes. The air was particularly dank and foul down here, as if there hadn't been very many disturbances to circulate it in a very long time. It was incredibly dark too, the only source of light seeming to come from...
"...that room off to the side," Csargo mentioned to himself, now wanting to get out of this cave as quickly as possible. "Maybe it's where the spiders are coming from, maybe there's an exit that nobody knows about!" He started running now, stopping at the room where he saw something he did not expect at all.
"Or maybe it's where somebody decided would be a good spot to park a giant box full of poisonous, hostile spiders," the mafioso said, carrying a torch and "inadvertently" dropping the box on the ground, allowing all the numerous spiders to crawl out and slowly, up Csargo. Screaming like a girl, he struggled to brush them off, but there were too many and then they started to bite. His screams grew shriller but they did nothing to placate the spiders, which had just brought him to his knees.
It was only when they had fully swarmed Csargo's body and were starting to eat his eyes did the mafioso leave and make his way back aboveground.
Later that day, Chief of Police Lemur gathered everyone in the Frontroom Square in order to make an announcement.
"All right people," he said. "Unfortunately, at least one of your choices these past two days was wrong, because we have two more deaths on our hands today. Centurion1 got shredded into oblivion and Csargo has gone missing, presumed dead. So, here we go again. Let's hope you're up to it, boys!"
"Wait a minute," shouted one villager, "How about you do some actual detective work on this for a moment? I mean, that had to be a big shredder in order to fully kill a person, right? Why not run a search on the shredder, get its serial number, and found out who bought it and where? You know, something that will actually get us somewhere!"
"Yeah!" a couple villagers shouted in agreement. "Stop leaving the burden on us!"
"Enough of this silly talk!" shouted Lemur. "Are you telling me you people have something against democracy? Against freedom? Are you telling me the Kingdom of Peace and Love doesn't believe in the value of individualism? Why do you hate freedom?"
Shamed into silence, the villagers once again began the task of voting.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (28)
Yaseikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Sigurd
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Winston Hughes
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Note: Due to my sleep schedule, this round will last longer than usual so I don't have to be up until 2am a night before I have an 8:30 class. Therefore, the round will last 36 hours or so.
seireikhaan
03-21-2010, 06:46
Vote: Thermal Mercury
My school shattered roughly one billion brackets, so obviously good things are coming from my campus. Thus, I must be followed.
TM is also being far too polite and cautious in his debating.
woad&fangs
03-21-2010, 06:52
vote: Thermal Mercury I can't argue with Yaseikhaan's wisdom after the Kansas game. All hail the great and mighty UNI!
Sasaki Kojiro
03-21-2010, 06:55
From what I can make of GH's clues, either khaan or shlin is being implicated.
Vote:khaan for now, I'll try to do more analysis later.
Beefy187
03-21-2010, 09:21
Vote: Khaan
I once joined the bandwagon for Khaan.
To balance things up, I will vote against Khaan.
Winston Hughes
03-21-2010, 11:00
I'm still waiting for my reason... vote: Psychonaut
From what I can make of GH's clues, either khaan or shlin is being implicated.
Vote:khaan for now, I'll try to do more analysis later.
Erm... I am being implicated? :embarassed:
Mind telling where is this 'clue'?
This is quite a turn of events; last night, Centurion advised me to take a look at what was actually being written because the style of killings was indicative of certain forum members. Of course, that doesn't help when I don't know half the players in this game. :<
Am I missing something here?
Vote: spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Yes, that's my choice.
pevergreen
03-21-2010, 13:12
Vote: shlin28
According to the writeup, you did it.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-21-2010, 13:38
Vote: shlin28
According to the writeup, you did it.
And where does it say that? Please, point that out!
This is quite a turn of events; last night, Centurion advised me to take a look at what was actually being written because the style of killings was indicative of certain forum members. Of course, that doesn't help when I don't know half the players in this game. :<
Am I missing something here?
Did he say which forum members?
pevergreen
03-21-2010, 14:22
And where does it say that? Please, point that out!
Twas a joke.
Reenk Roink
03-21-2010, 14:50
Vote: Atpg
Reenk Roink
03-21-2010, 14:56
wrong game
as spelunking equipment was expensive and difficult to maintain
Technically, its caving equipment, not spelunking equipment. Spelunkers are the idiots who go into a cave in their street clothes with one flashlight between them. Besides, caving gear isn't that hard to maintain. Spray it down with the hose until its clean enough that the wife won't get ticked off when I put it in the washer. Hehe.
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2010, 15:37
TM is also being far too polite and cautious in his debating.
If Khaan said it, it must be true. The glorious Khaan has never been wrong to the best of my recollection.
vote: Thermal Mercury
Did he say which forum members?
Nope, he didn't; just told me to look hard at the write-ups, but I don't really know anyone's style well enough to make even the slightest guess. >.<
TM is also being far too polite and cautious in his debating.
'Also', what exactly was your first point?
I think I'm programmed to be cautious in a mafia game, but I certainly haven't shied away from questioning people, is it so scummy that choose to do it in a polite way? :inquisitive:
FoS: Yaseikhaan :yes:
@ATPG
You don't have to use Khaan as a scapegoat, we both know you want me dead :no:
I couldn't fine any of these yaseikhaan or shlin clues, but I'll take your words for it. :beam:
vote: yaseikhaan
:rolleyes:
Splitpersonality
03-21-2010, 17:42
Vote: spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Yes, that's my choice.
Nice to see someone finally realizes how hard I've been lurking this game :laugh4:
Alas I am townie :bow:
seireikhaan
03-21-2010, 17:43
'Also', what exactly was your first point?
I think I'm programmed to be cautious in a mafia game, but I certainly haven't shied away from questioning people, is it so scummy that choose to do it in a polite way? :inquisitive:
FoS: Yaseikhaan :yes:
@ATPG
You don't have to use Khaan as a scapegoat, we both know you want me dead :no:
I couldn't fine any of these yaseikhaan or shlin clues, but I'll take your words for it. :beam:
vote: yaseikhaan
:rolleyes:
And now he tries to save his skin. How scummy.
Have I mentioned we beat Kansas?
Ibn-Khaldun
03-21-2010, 17:54
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
I think it's obvious that he is mafia.
I think Kagemusha could use a vote today.
vote: Kagemusha
And now he tries to save his skin. How scummy.
I don't think you quite understand the concept of this game, if a townie (from my viewpoint, even if not yours) saving his own skin in order to put someone who has clues against them at level pegging is scummy, then mafia are really going to enjoy this game.
Also, you didn't respond to anything I asked you, which in turn, is very scummy in itself.
seireikhaan
03-21-2010, 19:37
I don't think you quite understand the concept of this game, if a townie (from my viewpoint, even if not yours) saving his own skin in order to put someone who has clues against them at level pegging is scummy, then mafia are really going to enjoy this game.
Also, you didn't respond to anything I asked you, which in turn, is very scummy in itself.
I don't need to respond to anything you asked. After all, we beat Kansas.
Now stop wriggling around and accept a noose, scum.
Centurion1
03-21-2010, 19:39
its tincow. vote him please.
I don't need to respond to anything you asked. After all, we beat Kansas.
Now stop wriggling around and accept a noose, scum.
Is this some American thing? Because I'm not familiar with Kansas.
Either way, I'm not going to direct even one more post at you seeing as your so stubborn.
seireikhaan
03-21-2010, 19:43
Is this some American thing? Because I'm not familiar with Kansas.
Either way, I'm not going to direct even one more post at you seeing as your so stubborn.
Don't you play basketball in England?
its tincow. vote him please.
I thought that on day 1, given the murder focal points on that day were a Telgram and a Cooler, but that was pretty lame reasoning, is yours any better?
@Yaseikhaan
It isn't a major thing, no, so your voting for me because your home team won in basketball? Neat
Kagemusha
03-21-2010, 19:51
I think Kagemusha could use a vote today.
vote: Kagemusha
Sorry just got back from work :) Vote: Sasaki why do you want me dead?
seireikhaan
03-21-2010, 19:55
I thought that on day 1, given the murder focal points on that day were a Telgram and a Cooler, but that was pretty lame reasoning, is yours any better?
@Yaseikhaan
It isn't a major thing, no, so your voting for me because your home team won in basketball? Neat
Nah, I'm voting you because you were too polite earlier and now you're too eager to stay alive.
That my team won against the best in the country, a team loaded with future pro players, merely serves to reinforce my wisdom and encourages others to follow in my footsteps.
Tally
Thermal Mercury (Yaseikhaan, ATPG, Woad&Fangs)
Yaseikhaan (Thermal Mercury, Beefy187, Sasaki Kojoro)
Askthepizzaguy (Ibn-Khaldun, Reenk Roink)
Sasaki Kojoro (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha (Renata)
Shlin (Pevergreen)
SplitPersonality (Psychonaut)
Psychonaut (Winston Hughes)
Nah, I'm voting you because you were too polite earlier and now you're too eager to stay alive.
That my team won against the best in the country, a team loaded with future pro players, merely serves to reinforce my wisdom and encourages others to follow in my footsteps.
Looks like I'll be added to the list of 'killed in both games then'
Hopefully Choatix & Diamondeye will be there to welcome me :brood:
Its all good that everyone is following in your footsteps because your khaan, when there are actually some constructive reasons, but it doesn't matter because you were right in a game that happened 6 months ago and defying you would mean letting town win. :thinking:
its tincow. vote him please.
So is this what you referred to in our PM conversation?
That my team won against the best in the country, a team loaded with future pro players, merely serves to reinforce my wisdom and encourages others to follow in my footsteps.
Manchester United defeated Liverpool today.
Oh look... nobody cares, just as nobody cares about basketball results here; this is about finding mafia, nothing more. Stop acting so darn suspicious and answer the questions that Thermal put to you, please.
Looks like I haven't voted yet this round and I have no idea who to vote for, so..... FoS: Everybody (except me).
Winston Hughes
03-21-2010, 21:31
Looks like I haven't voted yet this round and I have no idea who to vote for, so..... FoS: Everybody (except me).
I suggest voting for Psychonaut.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-21-2010, 21:34
When was/is the deadline exactly?
White_eyes:D
03-21-2010, 21:35
Sasaki is still going to go down......sometime:juggle: Vote:Sasaki
seireikhaan
03-21-2010, 21:59
So is this what you referred to in our PM conversation?
Manchester United defeated Liverpool today.
Oh look... nobody cares, just as nobody cares about basketball results here; this is about finding mafia, nothing more. Stop acting so darn suspicious and answer the questions that Thermal put to you, please.
1) Bad comparison. Basketball > Soccer.
2) I did answer, if you'd kindly read my posts.
3) If you'd kindly stop pretending that we've excellent chances to catch the mafia this turn, that'd be wonderful. Ever play a Mafia game before? They aren't liable to end so early. Any "constructive analysis" before day six is mostly nonsense anyways, so I fail to see how my reasons for voting are any worse than anyone else's at this point.
1) Bad comparison. Basketball > Soccer.
Of course, that's why nobody cares about basketball outside of North America and football has fans worldwide in 204+ countries, right? :P
2) I did answer, if you'd kindly read my posts.
Thermal maintained that you had not answered his questions fully, and then you stated, and I quote directly here:
I don't need to respond to anything you asked.
So which is it? :S
3) If you'd kindly stop pretending that we've excellent chances to catch the mafia this turn, that'd be wonderful.
I'm hardly pretending, I feel there's sweet F.A to go on, really. I've got to quote you again here though, I'm afraid:
Now stop wriggling around and accept a noose, scum.
Which is it? You call him scum, but you profess that we're not likely to catch mafia this turn? -_-'
Any "constructive analysis" before day six is mostly nonsense anyways, so I fail to see how my reasons for voting are any worse than anyone else's at this point.
How is it nonsense? If something appears to be scummy, people pick up on it; whether they just go "lulz vote:X" or they take it apart and analyse each part, there's always something to look at past the first day phase. If you feel like that about it, then you're not going about playing town the right way, in my opinion.
Also, I never questioned your reasoning behind voting; I wanted to know why you were skimming over the subject at hand and talking about basketball.
Vote: Pevergreen
Accuse me at your peril, Mister Pevergreen :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-21-2010, 22:22
khaan should be lynched. He's pulled this gambit as mafia before. The two times I remember him as mafia, he voted the same person 5 rounds in a row with no reasoning, and in the other he attacked me with about 50 links. This fits both styles, overwhelming but jestful. It combines for effective at getting votes but immune from criticism because it's "not serious". As townie he is more likely to lurk and say he isn't sure about much.
Nice to see someone finally realizes how hard I've been lurking this game :laugh4:
Alas I am townie :bow:
That is SUCH a scum post.
You didn't even vote!
Please note, split is on spring break as well...
Vote: Yaseikhaan
At best, we get a mafia, at worse, we lose a reslly bad townie. Either way, it is win-win.
Splitpersonality
03-21-2010, 22:39
That is SUCH a scum post.
You didn't even vote!
Please note, split is on spring break as well...
I have nothing to contribute.
At best voting would only result in my bandwaggoning someone without even knowing the argument on them.
I am indeed.
Why are you not lynching Renata?
Why are you not lynching Renata?
I like your new avatar, but it looks like you are going to commit a jihad on the Org by deleting my posts.
Why are you not lynching Renata?
So you believe she is mafia?
I concede that there were some points in Methos' response that made me think similarly, but I also believed that it was possible she was just a disinterested townie. :/
Diamondeye
03-21-2010, 23:20
Renata and Yaseikhaan.
Go town.
Beefy187
03-21-2010, 23:33
Manchester United defeated Liverpool today.
I'm tempted to change my vote just for that.....
Vote: Thermal Mercury
My master commands me.
I'm tempted to change my vote just for that.....
:curtain:
Vote: Thermal Mercury
My master commands me.
Not surprised, not surprised at all.
Captain Blackadder
03-22-2010, 00:25
Vote: Yaseikhaan
Seems to be acting of to what I see him as when he is a townie.
So you believe she is mafia?
I concede that there were some points in Methos' response that made me think similarly...
Which?
Which?
Take a look at this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126877-Mafia-IX-Triumph-of-the-Mafia&p=2453251&viewfull=1#post2453251) post of Methos' which responded pretty well to an accusation I made against him, and then my response immediately afterwards.
If it's true that you don't feel 'invested' in the game, you wouldn't be the only person to feel like that; Centurion told me two nights ago that he was finding it difficult to integrate with the game because he couldn't see a viable way for the town to win and that it was hard to form logical arguments with no real evidence. It was him saying this that made me change my mind about you, really. My response to Centurion was as follows:
It isn't hard to use logic at all; never close off your mind in a game of mafia. If you are a vanilla townie, you still have a contribution to make, especially in IX where there are no power roles at all.
For every townie in IX that gives up, the mafia get that one step closer to winning. So don't, because you can bet that I won't.
So keep strong and keep yourself posting; you're a valuable asset when you're town, moreso in this game. :3
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2010, 02:15
To the glorious Khaan:
Should you die, I promise I will carry on in your stead and destroy them all.
Centurion1
03-22-2010, 02:35
im just saying think about tincow.
Hes is efficent and deals with alot of paperwork like an accountant. not to mention he has been really quiet this game/
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2010, 02:51
I think about TinCow all the time. From his shiny metal coat to his breathtaking udders.
He's far, far more exciting than any accountant. :stare:
im just saying think about tincow.
Hes is efficent and deals with alot of paperwork like an accountant. not to mention he has been really quiet this game/
THIS IS A LINK AND YOU SHOULD CLICK IT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126877-Mafia-IX-Triumph-of-the-Mafia&p=2448618&viewfull=1#post2448618).
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2010, 03:47
^^^^DON'T CLICK THAT
edit: got a virus alert, don't click it
pevergreen
03-22-2010, 09:16
Vote: Pevergreen
Accuse me at your peril, Mister Pevergreen :inquisitive:
What was once a joke is now justified.
I will not remove the vote.
Vote:Khaan
Best possible lynch. Judging from all the infomation available to us at this time, Khaan looks like the most likely to be scum.
johnhughthom
03-22-2010, 10:36
Vote: Khaan.
Yes, for all the reasons mentioned above. And perhaps a few secret ones.
*** Tries with even more evil avatar ***
How about Renata?
Kagemusha
03-22-2010, 11:42
*** Tries with even more evil avatar ***
How about Renata?
Oh i get the hint. unvote and vote: Andres ~D
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