View Full Version : Large Mafia Game Mafia IX: Triumph of the Mafia [Concluded]
After reading up on Shadow Fort I have no time to read up on this one as well. Sorry.
Can anybody bring me up to speed, please. So far I know that Sasaki is suspicious of me, that's all.
4 out of 5 dentists dead people surveyed agree I'm Mafia, but the living are mostly going with Khaan.
Take a look at this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126877-Mafia-IX-Triumph-of-the-Mafia&p=2453251&viewfull=1#post2453251) post of Methos' which responded pretty well to an accusation I made against him, and then my response immediately afterwards.
Here's what happened. I made a vote on a hunch against Diamondeye, and found a bandwagon against me in return. It's day one, silly season. It's getting late, and I have to work that evening. I'm not a power role, and I'm not indispensible. So what's the point of arguing seriously? Whatever happens happens.
Methos caught me on IM and asked flat out if I was going to bother defending myself; I said "nope". He unvoted.
I'm glad Beskar and some others gave him some pressure for that. Forget me being mafia for a minute and assume just he is: it's a heck of a lot easier to make such an unvote if you're mafia and you know you're right (and furthermore you know you can prove you were right at any convenient point in the future). However, given that it is Methos, I personally don't consider it to have been a suspicious move. He knows me well enough to make it understandable. He might be mafia or he might not be, but I won't be trying to make a judgment based on this.
If it's true that you don't feel 'invested' in the game, you wouldn't be the only person to feel like that; Centurion told me two nights ago that he was finding it difficult to integrate with the game because he couldn't see a viable way for the town to win and that it was hard to form logical arguments with no real evidence. It was him saying this that made me change my mind about you, really. My response to Centurion was as follows:
So keep strong and keep yourself posting; you're a valuable asset when you're town, moreso in this game. :3
I'm not un-invested at all. Don't mistake an indifference to a day one lynch with not caring about the game as it progresses. This game seems it'll be basically like trying to ferret out a pair of serial killers, given that we'll never know if/when we've lynched the first one. Trying to find serial killers is FUN.
seireikhaan
03-22-2010, 16:03
Well, I'm gonna have to head off to work, so I can really say is: Have fun, y'all. ~:wave:
Btw, Beefy is innocent. :bow:
GeneralHankerchief
03-22-2010, 16:30
Voting will close in two and a half hours.
Well I shamelessly bandwagon then to avoid the WoG. Vote: khaan.
atheotes
03-22-2010, 17:22
4 out of 5 dentists dead people surveyed agree I'm Mafia, but the living are mostly going with Khaan.
Not sure if you included me in that 4 if not please do :grin:
woad&fangs
03-22-2010, 17:40
Everyone who is voting for khaan should be closely scrutinized in future rounds.
Everyone who is voting for khaan should be closely scrutinized in future rounds.
Oh rlly?
Your yet another person on my scum list btw. :grin:
Glad most people have seen sense... :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
03-22-2010, 19:06
Voting closed.
Stand by for the execution.
GeneralHankerchief
03-22-2010, 20:06
Yaseikhaan had somehow acquired a podium, much to the general chagrin of the villagers of the Frontroom. He had been at the pulpit all day, masterfully interweaving proclamations of the glory of Northern Iowa with harangues about how Thermal Mercury was guilty and deserved to die (while conveniently, of course, not even thinking about the possibility of evidence to side the argument in either direction). In addition to this, he was decked out in purple robes with gold trim. All in all, according to him, he gave off the appearance of a gleaming beacon of light in an otherwise hopeless town. However, the villagers mostly regarded him as an annoying blight who needed to be removed.
"And by the grace that is Panther Pride, I say once again that Thermal Mercury has brought this pestilence upon the town, and therefore must be removed, much like how the University of Kansas was removed from the NCAA Tournament by the #9 seed Northern Iowa on Saturday night! Can I get an amen on this, brothers and sisters?! I say, can I get a hallelujah?! Hallelujah! Hallelujah indeed! Strong and fearless we shall strike forth and eliminate our opposition, much like how Northern Iowa will strike forth and eliminate Michigan State in the Sweet 16 on Thursday!" And thus the harangue went on, for hours.
Finally, mercifully, as the sun was setting, Chief of Police Lemur called an end to voting and pontificating alike. "All right khaan," he said, "you have the most votes by a lot. Come on, get down from the pulpit and come on up to the execution platform." khaan did as he was ordered, noticing that there was a large metal pole mounted at the back of the platform that was not there previously. He said nothing as Lemur instructed him to wrap his arms behind the pole and begun tying them there using some rope.
"For today's execution, I have invented a new type of incendiary device that explodes on contact with human flesh only; heavier than a grenade but packing a bit more punch. I've formed it into the shape of a basketball for familiarity's sake. Unfortunately, the device is a lot heavier than I originally anticipated, so I needed to call in someone from the outside to handle it. Therefore, the deliverer of khaan's execution will be University of Kansas point guard Sherron Collins."
khaan, despite his predicament, burst out laughing as Collins gripped the basketball-bomb and prepared to chuck it. "Don't you have a game to prepare for?" he yelled. "Oh wait, that's right, you don't, BECAUSE WE ENDED YOUR SEASON! Ha ha!" Collins, absolutely glowering, shot the ball at khaan but it went wide left.
Lemur retrieved the ball without comment as khaan kept up his barrage of insults and heckling. Collins, lining up for his second shot, came up short as the ball barely made it to the execution platform.
"AIRRRRR BALLLLLLLL!!!" khaan jeered.
And thus it went for the better part of 15 minutes. khaan mercilessly heckled Collins who, try as he might, was unable to shoot the ball-bomb with any accuracy. Finally, Collins, his face absolutely red with rage, stared khaan down while all the while whispering in Lemur's ear.
"Uh, right..." Lemur said with a questioning expression on his face. Collins nodded, and then Lemur shrugged. "Okay khaan, this is going to be it for real. Have you any last words?"
Collins started charging at khaan, leaping into the air, and suddenly khaan understood. "IN THE NAME OF EGLSEDER, AND KOCH, AND FAROKHMANESH, MAY PEACE AND VICTORIES COME UPON YOU ALL!" he bellowed, right before Collins slam-dunked the ball-bomb on khaan's head, the explosion killing them both.
Day 3 tally:
Yaseikhaan: 8 (Sasaki, Beefy, Thermal, Beskar, Blackadder, Methos, Subotan, john) :skull:
Thermal Mercury: 4 (khaan, woad, ATPG, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Reenk, Ibn-Khaldun)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (White_eyes, Kage)
Psychonaut: 1 (Winston)
Split: 1 (Psychonaut)
shlin28: 1 (pever)
Kagemusha: 1 (Renata)
pevergreen: 1 (shlin)
Abstained: 3 (Secura, Joooray, Split)
Didn't vote 2: (Sigurd, CDF)
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Still alive: (25)
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
johnhughthom
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Sigurd
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Winston Hughes
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Winston Hughes
03-22-2010, 20:18
:laugh4: Excellent write-up.
White_eyes:D
03-22-2010, 20:21
Khaan would be proud....:laugh4:
I appear to be without a master. As I cannot think for myself, I will now accept applications for a new master. If you are interested in the position, please briefly explain why I should mindlessly vote the same way you do without question every single day. All submissions must be less than 100 words long, because I can't be bothered to read anything longer than that.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2010, 20:43
I appear to be without a master. As I cannot think for myself, I will now accept applications for a new master. If you are interested in the position, please briefly explain why I should mindlessly vote the same way you do without question every single day. All submissions must be less than 100 words long, because I can't be bothered to read anything longer than that.
You should follow me without question, because if you do, you shall have delicious cake that is both delicious and not a lie. Also, I am one of the few who was brilliant enough to also follow Khaan's clearly superior instincts. I hereby volunteer to lead this town to glorious victoly, offering my head as payment should I fail.
I appear to be without a master. As I cannot think for myself, I will now accept applications for a new master. If you are interested in the position, please briefly explain why I should mindlessly vote the same way you do without question every single day. All submissions must be less than 100 words long, because I can't be bothered to read anything longer than that.
I'm the only girl in the game.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-22-2010, 20:46
I appear to be without a master. As I cannot think for myself, I will now accept applications for a new master. If you are interested in the position, please briefly explain why I should mindlessly vote the same way you do without question every single day. All submissions must be less than 100 words long, because I can't be bothered to read anything longer than that.
If you follow me without question, I will follow you without question. As long as you vote for who I vote for, I will vote for who you vote for.
You should follow me without question, because if you do, you shall have delicious cake that is both delicious and not a lie. Also, I am one of the few who was brilliant enough to also follow Khaan's clearly superior instincts. I hereby volunteer to lead this town to glorious victoly, offering my head as payment should I fail.
My delicious pancakes are far tastier than your foul rotten stink-cake.
Kagemusha
03-22-2010, 20:58
I appear to be without a master. As I cannot think for myself, I will now accept applications for a new master. If you are interested in the position, please briefly explain why I should mindlessly vote the same way you do without question every single day. All submissions must be less than 100 words long, because I can't be bothered to read anything longer than that.
I will promise you a lynch each day right to the end of the game.
seireikhaan
03-22-2010, 20:58
:2thumbsup:
I'm the only girl in the game.
You hussy.
I'm the only girl in the game.
I'm still here. ¬_¬
My delicious pancakes are far tastier than your foul rotten stink-cake.
Lynch him for his pancakes!
I'm still here. ¬_¬
Oh. Well I'll have to get right on rectifying that, then.
(Don't hate -- it's a free vote we're talking here!)
Lynch him for his pancakes!
No! Who will make TinCow pancakes just the way he likes them now?
Glad he got lynched simply through the write ups awesomeness. :laugh4:
pevergreen
03-23-2010, 08:45
TinCow, you should follow me.
If you follow me without question, I will follow you without question. As long as you vote for who I vote for, I will vote for who you vote for.
This is the most amusing answer.
The Khaan is Dead! Long Live the Kojiro!
This is the most amusing answer.
The Khaan is Dead! Long Live the Kojiro!
Follow me and be my voice in the land of the living. I promise you an infinite amount of money, to spend in the eternal paradise.
If you don't follow me, I'll haunt you for eternity!
Andres changed his avatar again, the power abuser.
Follow me and be my voice in the land of the living. I promise you an infinite amount of money, to spend in the eternal paradise.
If you don't follow me, I'll haunt you for eternity!
If it was my policy to follow dead people, I wouldn't have needed to find a replacement for 'khaan. So, if I accepted your offer, I would be a traitor to my late master. I am a mindless minion, and mindless minions obey without questioning... they do not commit treason.
If it was my policy to follow dead people, I wouldn't have needed to find a replacement for 'khaan. So, if I accepted your offer, I would be a traitor to my late master. I am a mindless minion, and mindless minions obey without questioning... they do not commit treason.
So, if Sasaki would ask you to break the tie between yourself and some other player by voting yourself, you'll obey, mister mindless minion?
Andres changed his avatar again, the power abuser.
My personal restylers adviced me to use this avatar.
You can see it all in the next episode of "Extreme Makeover : Moderators."
So, if Sasaki would ask you to break the tie between yourself and some other player by voting yourself, you'll obey, mister mindless minion?
Yes.
Kagemusha
03-23-2010, 16:22
Yes.
In that case i know just the perfect tie for next round.:mellow:
GeneralHankerchief
03-23-2010, 21:14
Day breaks in the Frontroom. The white van was filled to the very brim with equipment for today's kill.
*ding dong*
Winston Hughes opened the door, already dressed for the day's activities. This was a switch from the mafioso's previous targets, which had been mostly still half-asleep or groggy.
"Oven installation," the man at the door said. "I'm here to help deliver and install the oven you ordered-" He was cut off.
"It's about time you got here," Winston said, "I was told to expect you three hours ago!"
The installer couldn't help but be surprised at this. "Wait... really?"
"Yes, really, Winston said. Now, are you going to install me an oven or are you just going to stand there looking stupid?"
"No, sir, of course not," the installer said, recovering quickly. "It's just that I was told to be at your house... in fifteen minutes, actually. I thought I was early. Right then, let me just go out to the van and start getting things ready."
"You got it," Winston said. "Need any help with bringing anything in?"
"Nope, I can handle it!" the installer called out, already on the way back to his van. "This is an odd coincidence," he said to himself. "He actually was expecting somebody to install his oven? That is *so* weird. I've got to finish this thing up and get out of here before the actual oven installer comes and complicates things." After a minute of rummaging around with the van, he emerged with a plan, among other things.
Walking back up to the doorway, the installer put his plan in action. "As a thank you for ordering with us as well as an apology for having to wait so long, I'd like to offer you this complimentary pizza paddle. Now you can be like the professional pizzerias when handling your delicious pies!"
"Uh, thanks..." Winston said, taken a bit aback, "But I'm not really sure I'll ever need this..."
"YOU'LL TAKE THE PIZZA PADDLE AND LIKE IT!" the mafioso shouted, whacking Winston upside the head with the pizza paddle. Winston spilled to the ground, out cold. Looking around for any signs of neighbors, the mafioso, now looking slightly mad with paranoia, took out a shovel and started digging. Thirty minutes later, he had buried Winston alive on his own front lawn before driving off.
Unlike Winston, johnhughthom had just gotten up and was in the process of his usual morning rituals. These included, in order, waking up, getting up, shaving, showering, having breakfast, and brushing his teeth. Right now, john had finished with getting up, and now, still half-asleep, he was shaving.
Unbeknownst to him, john's electric razor would not work today because, only minutes ago, someone had strategically detonated a low-power EMP right outside his own bathroom window. Naturally, when john turned his razor on, nothing happened. Muttering about the fact that batteries were increasingly unreliable, john reached for his charger and plugged his razor in. Of course, the razor still didn't work.
"What the...?" john said.
*CRASH!!!* His bathroom window shattered open as the mafioso climbed through, evidently having picked up a ladder beforehand. "Here, use this!" he said, handing a straight, cut-throat razor to john. "In a world where we can't trust electricity, some of the old ways still work! Perhaps this experience will persuade you to join a more naturalist lifestyle! Help end humanity's slavish reliance on our electronic masters!"
john simply stood there, dumbfounded.
"Ah, wait," said the mafioso, "You don't know how to use one of these? It's okay, I'll show you," now gripping the razor and standing at john's side. "Well, basically, you stand, and lift up your chin, and just start scraping, but not too much, because you're liable to-" john suddenly went down to his knees, his hands at his throat, gasping for air.
"...cut your throat," the mafioso finished, smirking. He shimmied out of the window and climbed back down.
Later that day, Chief of Police Lemur gathered the remaining villagers in the Frontroom Square in order to make an announcement.
"All right everyone," he said, "It looks like we have four crimes to deal with today. In addition to the two new murders, there has also been an act of terrorism with the detonation of an EMP. Most importantly though, let it be noted that an oven installation service has failed to keep its appointment! Had the actual installer shown up at poor Winston's door at the designated time, he might have been more on guard when the mafioso had come to call! Unfortunately, we're only here today to discuss the two murders, so get on that in the meantime. I'll make some headway with the other two crimes."
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Still alive: (23)
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Sigurd
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Wrath of God Warnings are now in affect. Do not tempt fate.
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2010, 21:23
:laugh4:
:applause:
Thanks. You amuse me as well, mafiosi.
Why did you kill me ATPG? I thought we were friends. :sad:
Diamondeye
03-23-2010, 22:12
Why did you kill me ATPG? I thought we were friends. :sad:
Nah you know what they say... He's "Married to the job"...
Vote: Sigurd
Time to talk, Mr. 4 post lurker.
vote: Beskar
bla bla bla bla bla...
Happy?
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2010, 22:46
Vote: Sigurd
even random.org thinks you deserve death.
vote: Beskar
bla bla bla bla bla...
Happy?
Actually. I am very happy. you just proven to everyone you are actually paying attention to the thread but not just posting, ergo, you are a scumdar.
My pressure vote is now a real vote, prepare to die, Mafia.
Kagemusha
03-23-2010, 22:59
I have to vote : Tincow so we can tie him with Sigurd. Then Sasaki can decide which one dies.
Actually. I am very happy. you just proven to everyone you are actually paying attention to the thread but not just posting, ergo, you are a scumdar.
He has a point... what's with the lurking, Siggie? :3
I am not Mafia
Are you going to double your game post-count to save yourself now? :tongue:
You are lurking active scum, you contributed nothing except a vote so you can stay in the game and now you only post to attempt to save yourself.
Scummy as :daisy: .
Also ultimately, your loss as a townie wouldn't be significant anyway, so I think it is a very safe bet to kill you off and makesure, afterall, when you are dead, you could contribute as a townie, but somehow, I doubt that will be the case.
It's still early in the game and the intelligentsia in these games are near non-existent.
I am not Mafia, but you are right, my death will not be a loss. I can still contribute but not vote.
It's still early in the game and the intelligentsia in these games are near non-existent.
I am not Mafia, but you are right, my death will not be a loss. I can still contribute but not vote.
So ultimately you agree with what I said? The person who has lurked the entire game and now only posting himself should be killed off, as even you agree their death would not be a loss, especially this early?
I know you won't take this all personally, but sadly, I really do think you need to die. :no: The more to post to save yourself, makes me even more convinced, as you are following the logic of my argument.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-23-2010, 23:21
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
There was too much pizza related stuff in the write-up!! :no:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2010, 23:41
fos:ibn
Ibn-Khaldun
03-23-2010, 23:44
FoS: Sasaki
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2010, 23:51
I WONDER IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REAL ATTEMPT TO FRAME PIZZA VIA THE WRITEUP AND THEN LYNCH HIM
You're voting for Pizza based on some references to pizza in the write-up, as well as FoSing Sasaki for finding you suspicious for doing so?
This is a similar case to Noblesse Oblige, where one of the write-ups basically implicated Renata even though she was simply a civilian... a clever ploy by Andres (a Selecao, one of the mafia so to speak) that almost got her lynched. I wouldn't be too surprised that this was a similar ruse... that or a clever mafia gambit.
I'm more inclined towards the former, at the moment.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2010, 00:06
You're alive aren't you secura?
I am not Mafia, but you are right, my death will not be a loss. I can still contribute but not vote.
Well I guess if your death will not be a loss, then there's no point in wasting a lynch on you. Let's find some innocent to lynch instead [/sarc]
Vote:Sigurd
johnhughthom
03-24-2010, 00:38
You're alive aren't you secura?
I am, yes.
:surprised:
Actually. I am very happy. you just proven to everyone you are actually paying attention to the thread but not just posting, ergo, you are a scumdar.
My pressure vote is now a real vote, prepare to die, Mafia.
Excuse me. This man here said "pressure vote".
And yet, there is not a single bandwagoner voting him. What's wrong with this picture?
I WONDER IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REAL ATTEMPT TO FRAME PIZZA VIA THE WRITEUP AND THEN LYNCH HIM
vote: sasaki
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
There was too much pizza related stuff in the write-up!! :no:
OMG. Pizza-balling. Rude.
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Don't care much about the Sigurd bandwagon. So who else is there. I guess TM is right, Vote: Sasaki.
Beefy187
03-24-2010, 01:23
Pizza reference could be to frame pizza. Then again it could be a WIFOM and a complete random choice.
But what we havn't realized yet is that it could be Pizza framing him self to make him look innocent.
Pizza havn't been posting Wall of text... That is unlikely of him.
I'm willing to let him live for little longer, but he should start talking.
Pizza havn't been posting Wall of text... That is unlikely of him.
I'm willing to let him live for little longer, but he should start talking.
Pizza = busy. Let him nap.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2010, 01:46
Pizza reference could be to frame pizza. Then again it could be a WIFOM and a complete random choice.
But what we havn't realized yet is that it could be Pizza framing him self to make him look innocent.
Pizza havn't been posting Wall of text... That is unlikely of him.
I'm willing to let him live for little longer, but he should start talking.
This is something I can really respond to, all jokey-ness aside. I am not doing any analysis yet. I am waiting until there's fewer suspects to pick from. At some point I will look at the living candidates and decide amongst them based on voting patterns, reasons for their votes, what have you. I will do this whether I am alive or dead, but if I am murdered I will get good and mad and attempt to do what I usually do.
As for wall-of-text, I will only cite a few examples of what I'm talking about, rather than the usual wall. I understand that some people like my choices but would rather not read pages to get to the point. I'm trying to improve on that. I'm not sure what kind of serious analysis one could do at this early juncture. It might have been a few rounds but a shot in the dark is worth as much as any attempt at analysis with nothing to base it on. Focusing on voting patterns this soon, writeup "clues", and so forth, is just delusional. Might as well just guess. It is a guessing game after all.
I won't comment on the obvious pizza references except to say I'm both honored and amused, and should it lead to my death I will also say well done, but I won't go away this time.
Pizza = busy. Let him nap.
I'm good, Psycho. I can juggle.
White_eyes:D
03-24-2010, 01:53
Vote: Reenk someone who frames people like me:mellow:
Pizza being framed, is just WIFOM. Pizza *could* have done it himself to make him look "innocent" (He has been know to do "ballsy" plays):juggle:
But you also get that it could be that he is being framed....it is more likely Reenk did it...but who knows?:detective:
But what we havn't realized yet is that it could be Pizza framing him self to make him look innocent.
*ahem*
I wouldn't be too surprised that this was a similar ruse... that or a clever mafia gambit.
I realised that possibility, I'm just more inclined to think it's a set-up at the moment.
White_eyes:D
03-24-2010, 02:40
I SAID WIFOM sums it up more nicely:stare:.....otherwise you need to think...."Pizza might have done that to make himself to look more innocent, he has done stuff like that before, but maybe he is being framed this time. It could be a ballsy mafia play or Pizza could just be doing it for fun but maybe not and I am just going in circles now...:dizzy2:"
Why do you think it was Reenk Roink?
I'm not really familiar with people's playing styles and such yet, hence why I ask.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2010, 02:50
I don't think so. If Reenk wanted me dead he would just kill me, not necessarily play mind games with me. He never treats me any different from the rest of you, some of whom seem focus on me way too much.
White_eyes:D
03-24-2010, 03:08
My only other guess if not Pizzaguy or Reenk....would be Beskar for some strange reason...:inquisitive:
@Secura:Reenk is a master of chaos....pretty much invented the "Fake-role reveal" and he knows who to target and scapegoat....only Pizzaguy has ever bandwagoned him round one....and for no real reason(good thing he was Mafia that time):laugh4:
Lately, Reenk has made himself harder to read...I am willing to bet he is mafia only because he is not posting much...:juggle2:(If townie he gets bored and messes around "Chicago Soiree" being the best example:embarassed:)
Beefy187
03-24-2010, 03:17
*ahem*
I realised that possibility, I'm just more inclined to think it's a set-up at the moment.
I don't care. I'm a bitter liverpool fan and you're bullying me
And supporting Hiroshima Carps is already bad enough....:clown:
I had to say something so I look like I'm contributing to discussion.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2010, 03:43
I have noticed that Reenk has clammed up as mafia several times in the past. However, I am not willing to endure a lecture on the epistemic merit of suspecting him based on past behavior.
:laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2010, 04:04
I have noticed that Reenk has clammed up as mafia several times in the past. However, I am not willing to endure a lecture on the epistemic merit of suspecting him based on past behavior.
:laugh4:
Just use Occam's razor on him, it always works.
Reenk Roink
03-24-2010, 04:37
Vote: White eyes
Just use Occam's razor on him, it always works.
The following is too generous to Occam's razor (which has a very dubious attribution to the sublime William of Ockham anyway as nicely shown by Thorburn in "The Myth of Occam's Razor" anyway so I shall now refer to it as the 'Dummy Razor'):
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Besides, it's one thing to invoke the Dummy Razor in theology or even science, where there is a (ridiculously) weak argument that it may have some pragmatic value, but in the game of Mafia the underlying virtues aren't even correct for the application to begin.
...But coming from you this statement makes sense if 'works' is considered be a relative term... :wink:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2010, 05:11
I meant works as in "works to provoke a lecture" :beam:
The paper mostly seems to be arguing that people don't or can't apply the principle (because what fits our view is always seen as simpler). It can be misused certainly. It is easy to come up with a simple theory that is wacky.
But as a "I have to pick now" measure I don't see why you dispute it being useful. It does come up in mafia too from time to time.
Just use Occam's razor on him, it always works.
I prefer Wilkinson Sword.
pevergreen
03-24-2010, 13:29
Reenk is busy.
How do I know this? He doesn't send me scans of handwritten love poems via email anymore.
Who is under threat of WOG, GH?
woad&fangs
03-24-2010, 14:40
vote: Ibn Khaldun He who points first likely did it. However, I'm not ruling out pizza as a suspect for later rounds. I could easily see him coming up with something like that.
Tally:
Sigurd (Beskar, Atpg, Subotan)
Sasaki (TM, Joooray)
Ibn (Psycho, w&f)
Beskar (Sigurd)
TinCow (Kage)
Atpg (Ibn)
Reenk (W_E)
W_E (Reenk)
pevergreen
03-24-2010, 15:04
Vote: Sasaki
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2010, 15:34
Who is under threat of WOG, GH?
Sigurd was at the start of the round, but he has posted sufficiently to avoid it for now.
vote: Captain Blackadder
Three posts all game. Then probably Sigurd tomorrow. I think it's about that time of the game it becomes useful to purge a few of the people who don't post.
Vote: Sigurd
It is odd that he doesn't post until he was accused.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2010, 17:25
Vote:ibn
Secura is being a bit wishy washy now. Don't see why she didn't vote in her long post.
Wifom can be planted to try and frame someone, or you can just toss it out there and see if someone jumps on it and then accuse them yourself. Or let somebody accuse them. But it's tricky because while the second plan is smarter, there's no particular reason to think the mafia chose it.
Everybody go join Centurion's Shakespearean Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127084-Shakespearean-Mafia-(Sign-ups)) right now! He only needs 8 more players!
/shamelessplug
Oh, and Beskar is guilty.
I will
Vote: Ibn
because he is clearly guilty.
I will
Vote: Ibn
because he is clearly guilty.
Other than being the first person to pick something out from the write up, what else is guilty about him? He may have just been making a point and trying to be helpful.
Kagemusha
03-24-2010, 18:04
Other than being the first person to pick something out from the write up, what else is guilty about him? He may have just been making a point and trying to be helpful.
You dont remember who has the vote of Tincow in his pocket?Just look who voted Ibn before.:book:
You dont remember who has the vote of Tincow in his pocket?Just look who voted Ibn before.:book:
I did read his posts, but didn't think he'd settled on anyone to follow.
Fair enough.
:book:
This is... rather confusing. I really don't know who to vote for and lack the time required to re-read the thread again. So for now Vote: Abstain
From Friday onwards I will have more time so hopefully I would have formed some sort of an opinion by then. :embarassed:
Secura is being a bit wishy washy now. Don't see why she didn't vote in her long post.
I'm always wishy-washy, treacle!
I didn't vote because I'm getting PMs saying that I should read the write-ups a little more, and that they're indicative of who the mafia is; however, that's like giving the average Brit a book written in Japanese and asking them what it says. Some people are telling me it's TinCow, some are saying it's Sigurd... as a newbie here I don't actually have a clue. :<
Having said that, I support Renata's idea to start getting rid of the lurkers; aside of Sigurd and of those still alive; SplitPersonality, Captain Blackadder, woad&fangs and Reenk all have low post counts. Whether this is typical mafia lurking or simple disinterest of playing vanilla, I do not know, but they're of not help to the town either way. I'm curious as to whether or not any of these are on GH's WOG list.
Once GH confirms/refutes that, I will cast my vote. :3
*goes back to Dragon Age*
You dont remember who has the vote of Tincow in his pocket?Just look who voted Ibn before.:book:
I would still be wary of TinCow, though... he is deliberately washing his own hands of any vote that may later seem scummy. It's allowing him to seem innocent enough without him really contributing anything. Sort of like the way khaan kept starting bandwagons and it took three rounds for you all to lynch him because you thought he was just "setting up random lynches"- and that's not scummy at all.
Kagemusha
03-24-2010, 21:27
I would still be wary of TinCow, though... he is deliberately washing his own hands of any vote that may later seem scummy. It's allowing him to seem innocent enough without him really contributing anything. Sort of like the way khaan kept starting bandwagons and it took three rounds for you all to lynch him because you thought he was just "setting up random lynches"- and that's not scummy at all.
Well im the only one voting for Tincow right now.
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2010, 21:30
Nobody is going to get Wogged... today.
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2010, 21:31
Also, voting will close in 30 minutes. My, how time flies.
No WOGs at the moment then, I see. I forgot to vote last round, so don't want to be subject to the culling myself.
vote: Captain Blackadder.
Time to speak up, good sir! :>
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2010, 22:07
Voting closed.
Stand by for the execution.
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2010, 22:18
Tie vote between Sigurd and Ibn-Khaldun.
In case you're unfamiliar with how I resolve tie votes, I do a runoff between the players with the most votes. Therefore, all previous votes are wiped and you are only allowed to vote for either Sigurd or Ibn. You have 24 hours, and your participation (or lack thereof) will be factored into whether or not I put you on the chopping block for WoGs. Good luck!
Day 4 tally:
Sigurd: 4 (Beskar, ATPG, Subotan, Methos)
Ibn-Khaldun: 4 (Psychonaut, woad, Sasaki, TinCow)
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 (Thermal, Joooray, pever)
Captain Blackadder: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Beskar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (Kage)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Ibn)
Reenk Roink: 1 (White_eyes)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Reenk)
Abstained: 2 (Beefy, shlin)
Didn't vote: 3 (Blackadder, Drizzt, Split)
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2010, 23:06
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Ibn-Khaldun
03-24-2010, 23:27
Vote: Sigurd
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2010, 23:28
Vote: Sigurd
That's all? You're one of those up for lynch you know.
If you're town you aren't allowed to say I told you so unless you argued your hardest.
Well, there is a poster who never commented other than to place a random vote for the last 4 rounds with a sum total of 4 posts, one of them was the signing up post.
When some one voted against them, they actually became active and got all defensive with an OMGUS post, and later admits they are a useless townie, because they are most likely the mafia.
Who is this undeniable scummy character?
Vote: Sigurd
Kagemusha
03-24-2010, 23:30
Vote: Sigurd
Ibn-Khaldun
03-24-2010, 23:31
That's all? You're one of those up for lynch you know.
If you're town you aren't allowed to say I told you so unless you argued your hardest.
Yes, I noticed that.
All I can say is that I'm townie but you will find that out after the night phase anyway..
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2010, 23:32
Who am I to argue with the captain of the Enterprise?
unvote, vote: Sigurd
The will of the people. Besides, it was 50/50 for me anyway.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-24-2010, 23:52
Yes, I noticed that.
All I can say is that I'm townie but you will find that out after the night phase anyway..
How will we find it out?
Why did you think pizza was guilty?
you will find that out after the night phase anyway..
What does this mean? Are you saying that you're going to be night-killed?
It seems a little melodramatic to me, and heavily suspicious.
Well Sigurd said he would be active anyway, so no big loss I guess. Vote: Sigurd.
I'm always wishy-washy, treacle!
Not the best way to start :laugh4:
I think out of the 2, Ibn was a better candidate, but still.
I'm also annoyed by Tincow's mindless votes, I'm thinking a few pressure votes could actually get some sense out of him. By not initiating votes its as if hes not willing to take the brunt for them, trying not to be controversial and keep it low.
Not the best way to start :laugh4:
Well, with this being a vanilla game and all, I would rather be wishy-washy and get what information I can from people's votes and arguments rather than blindly vote or bandwagon-hop like some.
I'm also annoyed by Tincow's mindless votes, I'm thinking a few pressure votes could actually get some sense out of him. By not initiating votes its as if hes not willing to take the brunt for them, trying not to be controversial and keep it low.
He is not the only person to follow this trend of behaviour, though; Joooray comes to mind as someone who does the exact same, both in Mafia IX and Shadow Fort, actually.
pevergreen
03-25-2010, 00:32
Vote: Sigurd
Its closer to Sasaki. :shrug:
Reenk Roink
03-25-2010, 02:32
Best choices are WE and Atpg right now but Ibn seems likely to vote for Atpg so vote: Sigurd Sorry man, but I gotta make sure I don't get WoG'd this game...
The paper mostly seems to be arguing that people don't or can't apply the principle (because what fits our view is always seen as simpler). It can be misused certainly. It is easy to come up with a simple theory that is wacky.
He was way too restrained in making his case against the notion of simplicity, true. I wish he hit harder, it was kind of a wussy paper. :sad:
But as a "I have to pick now" measure I don't see why you dispute it being useful. It does come up in mafia too from time to time.
It doesn't have any epistemic merit. If it's the deciding factor in "I have to pick now" then you probably should go the other way.
In fact, I prefer more complex explanations and think they are more likely to be true, but Reenk's Razor was an utter failure near the level of the Dummy Razor, the reason being it was much too arbitrary and could be used by anybody, not just myself. Reenk's Razor v2 is: "multiply entities according to Reenk" - much better :toff:
White_eyes:D
03-25-2010, 02:59
"Reenk's Razor" was totally a pile of :daisy:....I still think your mafia:brood:
If I am right....it means I can anyways tell when your mafia:tongue:(I guessed right too many times already and I am sick of it)
Why can't you be more like Sasaki? Only two rounds and I totally forgot about him:laugh4:
Reenk Roink
03-25-2010, 03:18
If I am right....it means I can anyways tell when your mafia:tongue:(I guessed right too many times already and I am sick of it)
Just because you say that doesn't make it true. In just about every game you've said that (which is about every game we've played together :rolleyes:), you had a passing thought I was Mafia which you later revoked in over half of them. :rolleyes: There isn't any "connection" between us WE, only between pever and I. Sorry. :shrug:
Also you are likely Mafia in this game, you seem exceedingly nervous.
White_eyes:D
03-25-2010, 03:32
There isn't any "connection" between us WE, only between pever and I. Sorry. :shrug:
Also you are likely Mafia in this game, you seem exceedingly nervous.I am always nervous and paranoid.....Mafia or not:laugh4:
And I refer to you as a "Mentor or Teacher" not that we have some sort of "Psychic connection":rolleyes:....you should be proud....no one else well ever have that Title and I learned a lot from others.:iloveyou:
Reenk Roink
03-25-2010, 03:41
not that we have some sort of "Psychic connection":rolleyes:....
:laugh4: K, good, and :iloveyou:
But I'm not Mafia.
Beefy187
03-25-2010, 03:46
Thats what she said
I'm leaning Sigurd, but given there's 24 hours extra I may as well actually look at Ibn's posts tomorrow to see if I want to change my mind. I already know there's nothign worth looking at in Sigurd's.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2010, 03:56
vote: Ibn Khaldun He who points first likely did it. However, I'm not ruling out pizza as a suspect for later rounds. I could easily see him coming up with something like that.
This is the problem with that strategy. How many people immediately suspected me? How much attention did it focus on me? All that time wasted talking about me, and not as much attention on others. That's not what I wish to accomplish. And, because it's something "I would do", people will eventually get antsy and lynch me for it anyway, even if it didn't happen this round. It's completely effective at taking me out. And, since it is a lynch, my analysis post-death becomes tainted with the "he could be mafia" disease. No, it is a bad move. I'm aware this is a WIFOM defense to WIFOM, but I tend to not make bad moves. I take risky moves, but this isn't risky, it's just bad.
The riskiest move I ever made was voting for myself as mafia, and for a while it worked. People voted for me. That is a bad move. I had to unvote myself to make any headway, and that was back when I was voting for myself constantly to get people off of my case. That part of it worked, people stopped first-round voting me for a while. But it didn't really help me that round, I nearly died. I'm not going to put pizza references in, because it will get me killed faster than if I didn't do it, and then it will discredit me so I can't help my partner. That's the main reason why I wouldn't do it, it is a team game. I took a lot of flak any time I voted for myself or my partner too. Not everyone is as risky/gambit-prone as me.
You'll find when I am making safe moves, I'm mafia. I take far fewer risks. I've also noticed I tend to get professorial about how townies should behave. I'm too self-conscious about acting townie. See: Swords and D20's 3 for a recent example.
White_eyes:D
03-25-2010, 03:57
There isn't any "connection" between us WE, only between pever and I. Sorry. :shrug:I was just thinking about the time you were a first round kill in "Cave man mafia". You immediately accused me after death...saying I quote "I was just thinking, White_eyes would think it's funny to first round kill me" and I said "Your totally right" even though I was town and was almost lynched for that.:laugh4: I don't know what kind of connection you have with 'pever' but it's totally different from how we are.:eyebrows:
Splitpersonality
03-25-2010, 04:28
Vote: Sigurd
Purely random.
pevergreen
03-25-2010, 06:01
only between pever and I. Sorry. :shrug: :yes:
Thats disturbing...
[QUOTE=Beefy187;2456463]Thats what she said
Classic Beefy! Oh man, imagining you saying that IRL, just makes it so much funnier. Especially if you are doing your "pretending to be foreign tourist" thing.
I don't know what kind of connection you have with 'pever' but it's totally different from how we are.:eyebrows:
What kind of connection do you think you have with RR? He obviously thinks you don't have one.
White_eyes:D
03-25-2010, 06:41
What kind of connection do you think you have with RR? He obviously thinks you don't have one.
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Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2010, 07:03
Classic Beefy! Oh man, imagining you saying that IRL, just makes it so much funnier. Especially if you are doing your "pretending to be foreign tourist" thing.
You two must tell me these stories. I want to know what fun I have missed out on. More appropriate in private though.
pevergreen
03-25-2010, 07:41
Hmmmm. Nothing to stop them being told in public.
I dont have any shame over them, dunno about Beefy.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2010, 07:49
It is a bit off-topic, thats my only concern.
Captain Blackadder
03-25-2010, 10:50
Vote Ibn
Sorry with the insanity that is keeping up with Shadow Fort I havent being posting much here. I have caught back up and I feel Ibn is the better choice even in a tied thing he appears to have little to say in his defence.
He is not the only person to follow this trend of behaviour, though; Joooray comes to mind as someone who does the exact same, both in Mafia IX and Shadow Fort, actually.
Oh come on :sad:, I always try my best not to follow blindly any bandwagon I'm being offered. But I'm not that good at destructing post to get the essences of scumminess, so I try to just follow if I find the case justified. :shrug:
But in the future I will try to prove more that I have a mind on my own. :embarassed:
Beefy187
03-25-2010, 11:53
Hmmmm. Nothing to stop them being told in public.
I dont have any shame over them, dunno about Beefy.
Shame? I'm Japanese. I would Harakiri my self then to live in shame...
Go ahead pever but best not to go off topic in the main thread :beam:
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vote: abstain
Kagemusha
03-25-2010, 12:14
Well if the Sith says so: Unvote and Vote: Ibn
But in the future I will try to prove more that I have a mind on my own. :embarassed:
I apologise if it seems like I was attacking your style of playing, JooJoo; I just noticed in both current games (as well as some previous ones) that you tend to vote according to bandwagons... you're not the only person to do it, you were just a name that came to mind.
I'm glad that you will try to throw your own ideas out in the future though, it's always nice to see more interpretations of information.
Oh, and before I forget, I'm going to vote: Sigurd for two reasons really.
The first is that his behaviour has been suspicious, as others have pointed out for various reasons that there's no need to repeat. The case for him is a little stronger than that against Ibn-Khaldun too.
The second? Ibn is already dead in Shadow Fort, and I'd hate to be in the shoes of someone who's dead in both games; might as well let him play this one a little longer.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2010, 13:55
lol JooJoo.
I am going to call him JooJoo from now on.
lol JooJoo.
I am going to call him JooJoo from now on.
Well, I hope it doesn't mean anything nasty that I don't understand, other than that, I have a similar nickname in RL. :laugh4:
@Secura:
Don't be too happy about that just yet, it is mostly a lack of time that makes me follow already established cases. And I don't see that change anytime soon.
But as I said, I'll try to keep in mind not to become mindless Stimmvieh (a German term that can be translated as "voting-cattle"). :wink:
Well, I hope it doesn't mean anything nasty that I don't understand
Noooo, it's just a slightly different way of saying this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Cooper) character's nickname, nothing nasty at least. xD
But as I said, I'll try to keep in mind not to become mindless Stimmvieh (a German term that can be translated as "voting-cattle"). :wink:
Any contribution is better than nothing at all, JooJoo.
Oh, and before I forget, I'm going to vote: Sigurd for two reasons really.
The first is that his behaviour has been suspicious, as others have pointed out for various reasons that there's no need to repeat. The case for him is a little stronger than that against Ibn-Khaldun too.
Admit it... there is no case.
The second? Ibn is already dead in Shadow Fort, and I'd hate to be in the shoes of someone who's dead in both games; might as well let him play this one a little longer.
Metagaming
Admit it... there is no case.
I think there is; as soon as Beskar made his accusations of you lurking, you were on him like flies to a heap of manure. This shows that you were paying attention to the thread but not posting, a typical mafioso tactic.
Why the lurking in the first place? This game isn't going to be won by investigation results, but cold hard analysis of the write-ups and player behaviour. From what I've seen, you're actually a good mafia player, so why be noncommittal in this game when town victory could well hinge on your contributions? It doesn't really make sense, people might as well not sign up if that's the case.
As you have stated yourself, whatever your alignment, the town is better off by lynching you; we're either losing a non-committal townie or we're lynching scum. I think you should have and could have argued better in your defense, really.
Metagaming
The aforementioned reasons make this point moot.
Sigurd may have been away in parts of the game, but he usually is, nothing more scummy than usual I don't feel.
vote: Ibn
Sigurd may have been away in parts of the game, but he usually is, nothing more scummy than usual I don't feel.
vote: Ibn
Why so? If you're town in this game, you should actually contribute to the discussions rather than lurking, don't you think?
It's counter-productive for a townie to stay silent and not post; they might as well have not bothered signing up, it's just a hinderance to those who do contribute, in my opinion.
Kagemusha
03-25-2010, 15:58
Why so? If you're town in this game, you should actually contribute to the discussions rather than lurking, don't you think?
It's counter-productive for a townie to stay silent and not post; they might as well have not bothered signing up, it's just an insult to those who do contribute and to the host too, in my opinion.
So you want to mold each and everyones style of play to yours? Sigurd is a player that doesnt babble in the thread the whole time during the game, but has given many times good insights at the later stages of the game. With your logic only the ones who bark loudest should remain in the game.
Why so? If you're town in this game, you should actually contribute to the discussions rather than lurking, don't you think?
It's counter-productive for a townie to stay silent and not post; they might as well have not bothered signing up, it's just a hinderance to those who do contribute, in my opinion.
I agree with Kage, GH said no one qualified for WoG yet and Sigurd has posted when necessary, just not every 2 minutes like most other players. He contributes when he needs to, not for the sake of it. Besides, Sigurd usually behaves in this way, so its Ibn (who picked out something first, possibly trying to make ATPG look guilty?) vs Sigurd who hasn't really done anything out of character at all.
So you want to mold each and everyones style of play to yours?
No, that is not the case; this is an entirely different game setup. There are no power roles or anything of the sort to rely upon and we won't be informed if we lynch a mafioso or not until the second is found; the mafia get two kills per night regardless.
Sigurd is a player that doesnt babble in the thread the whole time during the game, but has given many times good insights at the later stages of the game.
As I stated, I was informed that Sigurd was a good player; if he were town, could he not have made such sterling contributions sooner? Also, I appreciate the thinly-veiled insult there, very tactful and entirely puerile.
With your logic only the ones who bark loudest should remain in the game.
Again, not the case in this game; town conversation is key to victory. We're not waiting on a detective to reveal who the mafia is, we've got to figure it out for ourselves. How does staying silent help, exactly?
What would you advocate, then? Everyone stays silent except for voting? Be realistic.
Sigurd has posted when necessary, just not every 2 minutes like most other players
Oh... is that so? I think you should take a look at Sigurd's three posts (not counting his sign-up) prior to Beskar's accusation to ascertain whether that is true or not:
*shakes head*
Testing... Beskar & Secura sitting in a tree K I S S I N G.
This game has the potential to end in two rounds ... If we are lucky. Ninth time lucky?
I don't see any votes in there, nor anything constructive towards town debate... what doe it say to you?
'When necessary' indeed.
Besides, Sigurd usually behaves in this way... Sigurd who hasn't really done anything out of character at all.
Having been here only since the end of January and, to my recollection, having not played any games with Sigurd until Mafia IX and Shadow Fort, I would not have known something like this. To me, as pretty much an outsider, it appears to be scummy lurking.
Kagemusha
03-25-2010, 16:25
No, that is not the case; this is an entirely different game setup. There are no power roles or anything of the sort to rely upon and we won't be informed if we lynch a mafioso or not until the second is found; the mafia get two kills per night regardless.
As I stated, I was informed that Sigurd was a good player; if he were town, could he not have made such sterling contributions sooner? Also, I appreciate the thinly-veiled insult there, very tactful and entirely puerile.
Again, not the case in this game; town conversation is key to victory. We're not waiting on a detective to reveal who the mafia is, we've got to figure it out for ourselves. How does staying silent help, exactly?
What would you advocate, then? Everyone stays silent except for voting? Be realistic.
Like i already said it doesnt have to be one of the extremes. You know some players tend to create discussion while others tend to follow the behaviour of other players and then give their views about it to others after some observation. Simple as that. Having played from the first game ever started in hear i have had some time to observe few of the regular players.
Having played from the first game ever started in hear i have had some time to observe few of the regular players.
I have a very long way to go to catch you up in that respect. :P
Whilst I condone activity, I'm hardly going to condemn someone for not being really active if they never usually are, in fact it would look scummier if he was really active as its not usually what he does.
Though his posts haven't been useful so far (I assumed they may have been) I still don't need to vote him for it.
I think I do. Though Ibn does ping me a bit, I think I'd rather keep someone around who's going to give something to go on as the game goes on, as opposed to someone with basically no history at all.
vote: Sigurd
My prediction is, once Sigurd is dead, he will pick up activity, to confuse the town.
My prediction is, once Sigurd is dead, he will pick up activity, to confuse the town.
Isn't that more Yaseikhaan Style?
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2010, 18:17
I didn't hear much from Sigurd regarding who he feels should die instead of himself. He went after his accuser Beskar, but that could just as easily have been me for also voting him. His defense was "it's okay if I die" and his attack was OMGUS. Which is fine, whatever... I don't expect everyone to give a passionate defense and it's hard to reverse a wagon in a game like this with no proof. What was he going to do, pull a rabbit out of his hat?
Still, the random one says he needed to die, and I find his lack of votes disturbing.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2010, 18:22
I suppose I'll go for sigurd.
vote:sigurd
The Lord has spoken.
Vote: Sigurd
You would all do well to follow his guidance!
Still, the random one says he needed to die, and I find his lack of votes disturbing.
Lack of votes? He has most the votes. :laugh4:
Lack of votes? He has most the votes. :laugh4:
Young Padawan, what Master Obi-Wan Pizza was revering to, were votes cast by Master Sigurd himself. Always remember, the Dark Side will grow strong with those who don't vote.
Young Padawan, what Master Obi-Wan Pizza was revering to, were votes cast by Master Sigurd himself. Always remember, the Dark Side will grow strong with those who don't vote.
Hmm, it can also grow strong if you just bandwagon for no reason at all, which Secura pointed out that you do a lot...
Hmm, it can also grow strong if you just bandwagon for no reason at all, which Secura pointed out that you do a lot...
As I said to Secura, I find that assertion to be unfair. At least I believe I try to just follow cases that I find justified. Apart from that I find it hard to come up with suspects on my own sometimes and lack of time often also makes me follow people in their votes. I don't think I'm some kind of worst case bandwagon-follower. :snobby:
I don't think I'm some kind of worst case bandwagon-follower. :snobby:
You're not the most prolific one I've seen so far, no. :P
As I said to Secura, I find that assertion to be unfair. At least I believe I try to just follow cases that I find justified.
Is that why in one game (Shadow Fort I think) Centurion votes for someone with no reason whatsoever, then follow in suit saying something to the effort of 'i see where Centurion is coming from'. :shrug:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2010, 21:05
Erm... Vote: Sigurd?
What contradiction?
Inky Pinky Ponky, Daddy bought a donkey. Donkey died, daddy cried. Inky Pinky Ponky!
Vote:Sigurd
GeneralHankerchief
03-25-2010, 22:16
Voting closed.
Need to take a quick nap, so don't expect the execution for a little bit. I will take orders starting now, however, and the 24-hour clock has started.
You're not the most prolific one I've seen so far, no. :P
I had to look that word up and still don't know if it was meant as a compliment, but I decided to take it as one anyway. :wink3:
Is that why in one game (Shadow Fort I think) Centurion votes for someone with no reason whatsoever, then follow in suit saying something to the effort of 'i see where Centurion is coming from'. :shrug:
That was in Greyblades "Then there were none" and if I had known that it would come back to haunt me like this, I wouldn't have done it. It was a pure joke, I didn't want to completely ignore the game, but I'm sorry to say that I'm not feeling like putting a lot of effort into that game. :shrug:
I had to look that word up and still don't know if it was meant as a compliment, but I decided to take it as one anyway.
Definitely not an insult, so don't worry JooJoo.
It means that out of all the people I have seen do it, you are not the worst for doing so, basically.
I think there is; as soon as Beskar made his accusations of you lurking, you were on him like flies to a heap of manure. This shows that you were paying attention to the thread but not posting, a typical mafioso tactic.
Typical? Not so deary.
I played the lurker Mafioso once. I tend to switch tactics all the time - ya know, to not be spotted by any Holmes' or similar systems.
That I was on the exact time as Beskar was just coincidence. I had just caught up with the game and the last post I read was Beskar's vote. I just jumped in with a "right back at you" vote.
What is scummy is players being creative in accusing other players.
Yeah... Sigurd lurked in Chicago and therefore we need to kill all lurkers. What a bunch of horse manure. The case is so weak that you couldn't skate on it.
This is a game where townies really are the uninformed minority. There are no pro-town roles. Just pure luck will lynch a Mafioso in the early rounds, because you haven't got anything to build a case on.
Using metagaming to form an argument is weak, unless you really have some quantitative historic data to build a profile on. And I doubt any of you have Holmes running.
Why the lurking in the first place? This game isn't going to be won by investigation results, but cold hard analysis of the write-ups and player behaviour. From what I've seen, you're actually a good mafia player, so why be noncommittal in this game when town victory could well hinge on your contributions? It doesn't really make sense, people might as well not sign up if that's the case.
I can't play the verbose character or crazy character in every game. I have to change my style slightly in every game so that when I get to play as Mafia again, I am not easy to read.
I therefore chose not to put up a massive defence in this game because I have done so as Mafioso and townie before. And no I am not Mafia in this game as you will see soon enough.
White_eyes:D
03-25-2010, 23:46
That "Total Mafia Victory" well haunt you till your ending mafia days:shame:.....that's why I always like to be in front or in the middle as mafia. I have seen Sasaki skim right though and win Total Mafia Victory's without lurking....Reenk as well but I have seen plenty of other "lurking" Mafia...I guess you were the first to ever relay it though another mod, and that's why it makes it so hard to accept your "just busy"(I mean you do have RL and mod duty's).:yes:
I lurked a few times as "scum" didn't like it....it's like winning by not playing at all.:juggle:
I've never played a game as mafia, so I wouldn't know which strategy was best :shrug:
Lurking does seem like a rubbish way to win a game though. It's like winning by default.
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2010, 23:51
I made a vow never to win by lurking regardless of alignment. I'm not the hiding type.
GeneralHankerchief
03-26-2010, 00:38
In the beginning of the day, it seemed as if there was going to be an open "competition" for the most votes, an anything-goes affair. The votes were spread far and wide, and delivered fast and furious. Nobody was safe because the votes were spread so thin. Finally, though, there did seem to be some separation from the pack. Both Ibn-Khaldun and Sasaki Kojiro seemed to be accumulating pluralities of votes.
Meanwhile, Sigurd sat back and watched all this from his easy chair that he had somehow managed to drag from his house and plant in the Frontroom Square a couple of days back. Sitting back and enjoying his book, A Darkness at Sethanon, Sigurd sipped some lemonade and quietly observed the action. Yessir, it was truly the little things in life that made it worth living. Despite all of the chaos swirling around him, Sigurd and his easy chair were an island of serenity and calm, a beacon of-
"Hey, waitaminute!" one villager suddenly shouted, pointing at Sigurd. "He hasn't done or said anything since this started! What's your opinion on all this, Sigurd?"
Taken aback, Sigurd had very little time to react. "Oh, uh... he did it," he said, pointing the finger directly back at his accuser. Once this deed was done, he went right back to his novel and lemonade. Naturally, this reaction was not quite enough to satisfy the villagers, and Sigurd accumulated a decent amount of votes in short order.
"All right, time's up," said Chief of Police Lemur a few minutes later. "Hmm, looks like we have a tie vote between Ibn-Khaldun and Sigurd. All right, well, I guess there's only one way to do this: runoff! So let's all vote again to see who is guil-"
"Sigurd," the villagers all said, pointing their fingers as one at the man in the easy chair.
"Well, that simplifies things," said Lemur, sprinkling something into Sigurd's drink while nobody was looking. "You three, help me haul this chair up to the execution platform. He wants to live comfy, he'll die comfy too." With a grunt, they hauled the easy chair and struggled to carry it up to the platform. After about a couple minutes' toil, they were finally successful. Panting and sweating from the effort, they looked at the carefree Sigurd with utter disdain.
"Ahh," Sigurd said, "I can't think of very many better ways for a man to go out than this. Many thanks for the dignified death, Lemur." He took a sip of his lemonade. "Now then, only one more page to go, and I'll finally have finished the book I've been having dreams abou-"
He slumped over in his chair, dead.
Day 4a tally:
Sigurd: 14 (everybody) :skull:
Ibn-Khaldun: 3 (Blackadder, Kage, Thermal)
Abstained: 1 (Sigurd)
Didn't vote: 5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (22)
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
White_eyes:D
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Sigurd
Night will end in approximately 22 hours.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2010, 00:40
To keep you guys entertained during the night, here is a link to the worst game of mafia ever played:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=884262#884262
The last two pages crack me up :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-26-2010, 00:48
To keep you guys entertained during the night, here is a link to the worst game of mafia ever played:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=884262#884262
The last two pages crack me up :laugh4:
Ahahahaha, konehead FTW. :laugh4:
Though for a sec I thought it wasn't him considering the 3-day delay between the end of day phase and the end of night phase (since he was pretty active). Then I remembered about the 72-hour night phases and there being other roles.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2010, 01:04
Greetings and salutations, esteemed mafiosi.
I have for some reason decided to reveal my occupation to you in an attempt to facilitate intra-townie communications, even after the voting period has already passed. I am what many might refer to as a "Doctor", and what I do is prevent you from carrying out your murderous enterprises. However, I myself am truly undefended and I would not be able to defend myself should you good fellows decide to ply your deadly arts on my gentle person. It would be truly good of you scumbags to end my miserable existence tonight, otherwise I might use my doctor powers to help my team win.
Warmest regards,
The Doctor.
_________
Dear Mr/Mrs: The Doctor
We have received your correspondence. Your message is very important to us, and we appreciate you taking the time to contact our organized crime syndicate. We receive thousands of letters per day and as such it is impossible for us to personally reply to every one of them, as we are unusually busy this time of year, what with the murders and all. But once again, we appreciate your patronage, and wish to inform you that one of our patient and skillful interns has:
read your letter
filed your letter for future reading
misplaced your letter
And will reply as soon as possible. Sincerely,
The Mafia.
Beefy187
03-26-2010, 01:24
Dear doctor
I've read your request and we have considered it.
Believe me we discussed this for hours and hours.
But for tonight, we decided not to do anything about it.
While we do intend to win this game, what we want to see more is Pizza suffering.
And if letting you live does that then we will do our very best to keep you alive.
My sincere apologies.
Jim and Chuck.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2010, 01:25
Please do include more Pizza references. I find them very flattering.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-26-2010, 01:26
Greetings and salutations, esteemed mafiosi.
THE WHAMMY WINS
THE WHAMMY WINS
THE WHAMMY WAS A DOCTOR
Warmest regards,
The Doctor
p.s. I have a life outside of the interner (read - I GO TO SCHOOL)
'THE WHAMMY WINS
THE WHAMMY WINS
THE WHAMMY WAS A DOCTOR'
Lol, that was pretty shabby, not as entertaining as I first thought it would be, but pretty dumb play at any rate. :smiley:
Oh nevermind, I didn't refresh the page so I didn't know sasaki already posted it....you always get the response in quick :wink:
White_eyes:D
03-26-2010, 01:30
At some point your going to be lynched for that one Pizzaguy....(No Mafia would be that dense to think you were a doctor....:stare:)
Might see a drop in kills though.....but at this point, why wait?(I made that Mistake in "The Godfather 3", dropping my kills too soon:shame:)
Is Sigurd your scum buddy or something?:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2010, 01:33
Dearest White_Eyes:D
Your attempt at feigned ignorance will not go unpunished. Surely you do realize there are no pro-town roles in this game, as the game host stated quite plainly. And then of course, the fact that the mafia's kills do not drop even after one of them dies, which is also stated quite plainly. The only reason I can see for this pretense of not understanding the game is because you are mafia. So therefore I will vote for you every round from now on until you die. Please do not murder me tonight, because that would prevent me from carrying out righteous justice.
Sincerely,
The Pizza.
White_eyes:D
03-26-2010, 01:40
WIFOM of the day:bounce: My Kill write-up for you Pizzaguy....it's my BEST EVER....:cry2:(It's a long one:embarassed:)
Askthepizzaguy gets shot and dies, The shooter laughs then leaves.
Askthepizzaguy
03-26-2010, 01:44
No, please, don't hurt me. I have a wife and three toppings. I have dreams, dreams of one day being able to afford a fancy stuffed crust with garlic seasoning. If you come back on Tuesdays, I'm half price.
Also, try the wings, very spicy.
WIFOM of the day:bounce: My Kill write-up for you Pizzaguy....it's my BEST EVER....:cry2:(It's a long one:embarassed:)
Askthepizzaguy gets shot and dies, The shooter laughs then leaves.
No, he gets hit around the head with a crowbar.
Captain Blackadder
03-26-2010, 02:42
Dang that was a horrible game at MS.
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2010, 00:43
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. As usual, the white van was already out, doing its normal morning errand... OF DEATH.
*ding dong*
spL1tp3r50naL1ty opened the door. "Yes?" He wore a neutral expression on his face until he saw the man at the door's uniform.
"Pizza delivery," the deliveryman said. "You ordered two Neapolitan pies, one all cheese, the other half pepperoni, half sausage?"
"What? No..." Split said, slightly overwhelmed by the glorious sight of someone bringing him food at nine in the morning.
"This is a delivery for 'spL1tp3r50naL1ty' at nine-two-one BKS Boulevard, right?"
"Well, yes," Split said, slowly becoming intoxicated by the near-omnipotent aroma that the pizza was giving off, "that is me, but I still didn't order this pizza. I mean, who orders a pizza at nine in the morning?!"
"Yeah, my boss did seem a little bit skeptical when the order came in," the deliveryman said, "but hey, who is he to pass up a business opportunity at a time when things are slow? Are you suuuuuuuure you don't want this, then?" He opened the first box slightly, giving Split's nostrils a taste of the most wonderful scent in the world at full power.
"Well - it - would - be - a - shame - to - see - so - much - pizza - go - to - waste" Split said, now in a near-trance from the full blast of the smell.
"That's the spirit," the deliveryman said, grinning. He stepped inside, found Split's kitchen, and set the pizza boxes down on the counter, waiting off to the side. The excuse, if needed, would be that he was waiting for Split to pay him. Split, however, went straight for the pizza.
"Oh dear," he muttered upon opening the box. "I'm afraid that it's not cut. You don't happen to have a pizza cutter on you, do you?"
"As a matter of fact - I DO!" the mafioso yelled while jumping on top of Split in what was an entirely unnecessary move. Wrestling the still-dazed Split to the ground, he took out a pizza cutter, and in a theatrical roar plunged it into Split's throat. As the murdered Split's blood poured out further and further into the kitchen floor, the mafioso filched through his wallet, took exactly $25.53 in cash, plus $4 more for the tip.
White_eyes:D, not one really known for his trust in others, had been holding true to form ever since the attacks on the Frontroom had started. Aside from the voting sessions, he had for the most part hunkered down and clammed up, turning his house into a veritable fortress. He had asked the Chief of Police about the other kills, and he had learned. There was no way some yahoo with a white van with some service to offer was going to come into his house and kill him. Thanks to his booby traps, the mafioso would be dead before he even got to the doorbell.
All of this was well and good, but there was only one problem: White_eyes was getting sick.
It had started off upon returning home from the very first day of voting, during which the mafioso had stealthily injected the virus into his system without anybody noticing. At first, he had tried to pass it off as a cold, and then a 48-hour bug, but now, five days in, there was no denying it. White_eyes had something big.
Sighing, he logged onto the internet and plugged in his symptoms: Food not having any discernible effect on him, some sort of fungal infection growing on his arms. It was weird, certainly, but the results that came back at him were even clearer: Dutch elm disease.
"Dutch elm disease?" White_eyes said to himself. "Isn't that for trees? Dutch elm disease? Seriously?"
Naturally, since Dutch elm disease was normally a disease that trees caught, there was no readily-available set of pills for him to take. So he had to dig a little deeper. However, much to his delighted surprise, he found a combination medical doctor/tree specialist who had set up his practice in the Frontroom!
Spending the next 30 minutes disabling his various alarms and booby traps, he made the call to the doctor, who graciously agreed to come out and make a house call. He pulled up to the house several minutes later, toting a medical kit and what White_eyes observed to be a very large crate.
"Right then," said the doctor, after settling White_eyes down in his favorite chair, "Dutch elm disease, while rare in humans, is actually not unheard of. There have been, by my count, six documentations of it in humans since 1973. Because of its rarity, though, the treatment process is somewhat complicated. Are you sure you want to continue with this?"
"Yes, of course," said White_eyes. "I don't want to die from a disease that kills trees!"
"Right then," said the doctor, "let's get started." He took out a syringe and loaded it with some liquid. "This first injection I'm giving you will inform the viral cells that you are not, in fact, a Dutch elm tree by way of its passage through your system. This bit of information will serve to confuse the virus, which will weaken it and leave it more prone to the next series of injections."
"...that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard," said White_eyes, his paranoia suddenly ratcheting back up.
"Fine then, enjoy living with Dutch elm disease." He got up, prepared to leave.
"No... wait," White_eyes said, sighing. "I'm sorry. Do it."
"Right then." And the doctor proceeded to inject White_eyes with the fluid. Immediately after the injection was finished, a cold jolt went through White_eyes's body and he found it more difficult to move his limbs or head.
"What... do to me?" he muttered, speech also coming harder.
"Shhh, easy now," the mafioso said, eyes not leaving his watch. He was evidently waiting for a certain amount of time to elapse. "Right then," he said, after the time had elapsed. "What I have just injected you with is a drug called Pancuronium, which as you have just discovered, is a very potent muscle relaxing agent. While causing paralysis, however, it has no anesthetic properties whatsoever, which means you are going to be able to fully enjoy the show I've prepared for you."
White_eyes, eyes white with fear, was unable to speak.
"Yes, good. No foolish remarks. Instead, you are going to sit here and be a captive audience. You know, you spent so much time studying the killer with the van and preparing yourself for that; instead, you should have been looking for the other set of kills going on. Surely you remember Csargo's untimely demise at the hands of spiders? Child's play compared with what I have in store for you." And with that, he unexpectedly walked out of the house, leaving the helpless White_eyes wondering what in God's name was going on.
The mafioso returned two minutes later, walking, ironically, right through the front door, carrying the very large crate that White_eyes had seen earlier. Setting it down and opening it, the mafioso stood back and watched. Suddenly White_eyes understood.
"Enjoy your slow death, White_eyes:D. Emphasis, of course, on 'slow'."
And as he turned around to leave again, a battalion of snapping turtles sauntered out of the crate and slowly made their way to their paralyzed captive. Starting by taking his toes one by one, they worked their way up White_eyes's body, feasting on his skin, his muscles, his fat, his fingers, and, eventually, his eyes. Yes, his juicy, delicious, white eyes.
Later that day, Chief of Police Lemur gathered everyone to the Frontroom Square in order to make an announcement.
"All right everyone," he said, "I think we officially start declaring this situation an emergency. Our numbers are in danger of being halved, something which I really haven't heard of since Spanish Flu. That was a disease. This is people. You can actually do something about this, so do something about this!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (20)
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
shlin28
Thermal Mercury
Cultured Drizzt fan
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_eyes:D
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Sigurd
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 00:48
Vote:shlin
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 01:32
vote: pevergreen
He's just twisted enough to frame me and then keep on doing it.
Beefy187
03-27-2010, 01:37
Vote: ATPG
You'll have to die at one point if this goes on.
Not a strong case but, its still worthy of a temporary vote
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 01:59
Vote: ATPG
You'll have to die at one point if this goes on.
Not a strong case but, its still worthy of a temporary vote
That's fine, I guess... but keep thinking.
Since I am a biased source and the more I talk about it, the less you'll listen, and the more I will die, I'm probably stupid for even saying this but:
Observe. A mention of pizza in the previous writeup, and I become the focus of the round. Many of the posts are dedicated to talking about me doing it to myself, or framing me.
Next round: Another mention of pizza. And now votes come in my direction. And now, I have to defend myself. It's working.
Look, I know the mafia lose no kills if I were mafia and I died, but they lose a vote. And, again, I'm trying to get murdered, not lynched. But I'll accept being lynched at some point before the game ends if necessary. Still a bad move though. It means their WIFOM worked and you fell for it.
If you lynch me over this, I get to eternally point my finger at you and laugh. I'll also have to personally shake hands with the mafia when this is done, because it worked so beautifully.
Now, here it comes. Don't say I didn't warn ya.
Great Write up as usual.
Just A summary of the door-to-door men if a connection could be made perhaps.
-Deliveryman, With Telegram, weapon letter knife
-Carpenter, With tools, overalls, weapon staple gun
-Accountant, talks about taxing files, weapon industrial shredder
-Oven Installer, weapon pizza paddle (ATPG reference)
-Pizza Delivery, weapon pizza cutter (ATPG reference)
Patterns:
Some of the killed players have no clue why the killer is at the door (i.e. telegram, pizza delivery) whilst others were expecting them there way beforehand (Oven installer)
Carpenter is the second killer, the other times the doorman is the first killer
Killer enjoys killing by slitting throats
Catchphrase:
'As a matter of fact, I DO!' (used 3/5 times I think)
Beefy187
03-27-2010, 02:30
That's fine, I guess... but keep thinking.
Since I am a biased source and the more I talk about it, the less you'll listen, and the more I will die, I'm probably stupid for even saying this but:
Observe. A mention of pizza in the previous writeup, and I become the focus of the round. Many of the posts are dedicated to talking about me doing it to myself, or framing me.
Next round: Another mention of pizza. And now votes come in my direction. And now, I have to defend myself. It's working.
Look, I know the mafia lose no kills if I were mafia and I died, but they lose a vote. And, again, I'm trying to get murdered, not lynched. But I'll accept being lynched at some point before the game ends if necessary. Still a bad move though. It means their WIFOM worked and you fell for it.
If you lynch me over this, I get to eternally point my finger at you and laugh. I'll also have to personally shake hands with the mafia when this is done, because it worked so beautifully.
Now, here it comes. Don't say I didn't warn ya.
It will keep coming. And its probably a WIFOM, but if we get to the point of no other candidate and you being too suspecious to live on. Then we must lynch you.
I don't think that will come soon. I'm more then happy to look at other candidates today. But yea. You'll have to go at some point
pevergreen
03-27-2010, 02:32
vote: pevergreen
He's just twisted enough to frame me and then keep on doing it.
Ah, but my writing ability prevents me from doing it.
Anyway, you definately think you can pull off framing yourself and then getting out of it.
Day 1
Diamondeye: 6 (khaan, Beefy, ATPG, TinCow, Renata, Kage)
Renata: 5 (Diamondeye, Joooray, Winston, atheotes, Sasaki)
Yaseikhaan: 3 (Secura, AVSM, Split)
Psychonaut: 1 (Centurion)
Centurion1: 1 (Beskar)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Psychonaut)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Methos)
Csargo: 1 (pevergreen)
Beefy187: 1 (woad&fangs)
atheotes: 1 (Csargo)
TinCow: 1 (Thermal)
Beskar: 1 (Double A)
A Very Super Market: 1 (Subotan)
Abstained: 5 (Chaotix, Ibn-Khaldun, Reenk, shlin, White_eyes)
Didn't vote: 3 (johnhughthom, Sigurd, Captain Blackadder)
Day 2
Chaotix: 5 (Renata, Joooray, Csargo, ATPG, Sasaki)
Methos: 4 (Beskar, shlin, Secura, Chaotix)
Subotan: 3 (khaan, TinCow, john)
Secura: 2 (Psychonaut, Blackadder)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (White_eyes)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Reenk)
Yaseikhaan: 1 (Methos)
Joooray: 1 (Beefy)
Renata: 1 (Centurion)
woad&fangs: 1 (Kage)
Beskar: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
Psychonaut: 1 (Winston)
Beefy187: 1 (woad)
TinCow: 1 (Thermal)
Abstained: 1 (pevergreen)
Didn't vote: 4 (Sigurd, Kage, Subotan, CDF)
Day 3
Yaseikhaan: 8 (Sasaki, Beefy, Thermal, Beskar, Blackadder, Methos, Subotan, john)
Thermal Mercury: 4 (khaan, woad, ATPG, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Reenk, Ibn-Khaldun)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (White_eyes, Kage)
Psychonaut: 1 (Winston)
Split: 1 (Psychonaut)
shlin28: 1 (pever)
Kagemusha: 1 (Renata)
pevergreen: 1 (shlin)
Abstained: 3 (Secura, Joooray, Split)
Didn't vote 2: (Sigurd, CDF)
Day 4
Sigurd: 4 (Beskar, ATPG, Subotan, Methos)
Ibn-Khaldun: 4 (Psychonaut, woad, Sasaki, TinCow)
Sasaki Kojiro: 3 (Thermal, Joooray, pever)
Captain Blackadder: 2 (Renata, Secura)
Beskar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (Kage)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Ibn)
Reenk Roink: 1 (White_eyes)
White_eyes:D: 1 (Reenk)
Abstained: 2 (Beefy, shlin)
Didn't vote: 3 (Blackadder, Drizzt, Split)
------------
Other than Pizza clues (which do look very much planted, it could be a risky strategy on his part) he continually votes for top runners but never starts the vote, seemingly bandwagonning it.
Best lead I have.
vote: ATPG
Vote: shlin
He told me in a PM that he was mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 02:45
Fair enough. But now you have pressed my suspicious button.
You agree it is probably not me framing myself, as it's a suicidal move, and I've already agreed to die by the lynch before the game is done, yet you insist I must die.
Just what I'd expect someone to say if they were busy framing me.
unvote, vote: Beefy187
Beefy187
03-27-2010, 02:55
Your suspicion button better be updated
Because this Beefy character seems to cause all sorts of trouble to ATPG security program.
I said you must die if this keeps on going and if you're still alive in the end game.
Obviously, we can't let the mafias have the glory of taking a high risk and succeeding in it.
If its a lurking mafia victory. I can take it.
But if its a extremely well done cunning job.... by a popular metagaming target Pizza guy. I don't know if I can live with it.
Am I saying something suspicious here?
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 03:02
Your suspicion button better be updated
Because this Beefy character seems to cause all sorts of trouble to ATPG security program.
I said you must die if this keeps on going and if you're still alive in the end game.
Obviously, we can't let the mafias have the glory of taking a high risk and succeeding in it.
:mellow:
So, we have to let those who are lurking and not even trying to take a risk win the game?
I think you're just making excuses now. And you pulled that "I never am right about Beefy as mafia" thing before, when you were mafia. I was right, but you made me change my mind.
If its a lurking mafia victory. I can take it. But if its a extremely well done cunning job.... by a popular metagaming target Pizza guy. I don't know if I can live with it.
Am I saying something suspicious here?
Yes, yes, you're saying things that are on the verge of being ridiculous. You're willing to lose the entire game just because you want to make sure that I don't win via a clever gambit?
That's either bad townie reasoning or mafia rationalization for a scummy vote, after framing me.
You're on my list. I must kill you tonight.
White_eyes:D
03-27-2010, 03:15
And as he turned around to leave again, a battalion of snapping turtles sauntered out of the crate and slowly made their way to their paralyzed captive. Starting by taking his toes one by one, they worked their way up White_eyes's body, feasting on his skin, his muscles, his fat, his fingers, and, eventually, his eyes. Yes, his juicy, delicious, white eyes.I think getting stuck in a small hole and having "rats" VERY SLOWLY eat there way though you in the dark, is more painful and horrifying.....this write-up sucked:no: If ATPG did this....he is running low on ideas:laugh4:
Vote: shlin
He told me in a PM that he was mafia.
Not because Sasaki voted for him naturally....
Beefy187
03-27-2010, 03:28
:mellow:
So, we have to let those who are lurking and not even trying to take a risk win the game?
I think you're just making excuses now. And you pulled that "I never am right about Beefy as mafia" thing before, when you were mafia. I was right, but you made me change my mind.
Yes, yes, you're saying things that are on the verge of being ridiculous. You're willing to lose the entire game just because you want to make sure that I don't win via a clever gambit?
That's either bad townie reasoning or mafia rationalization for a scummy vote, after framing me.
You're on my list. I must kill you tonight.
I was under a assumption that one of us is mafia. Obviously you. But now I consider the possibility of both of us being innocent.
That will be rather hilarious after the game :curtain:
I'm not saying lurkers must not die. I'm just doing a comparision with lurker and a balsey mafia.
Though I lurk often now days, I think talking yet still winning is a harder option as a mafia. Thus more humiliating defeat for the town.
You see, when I am mafia I can make you change your mind. I have that mafia magic on my side. But if you are sitting in front of the computer thinking "not this time... Beefy is mafia full stop. nothing in making me change my mind Nah nah nah!" then you've lost. I am innocent, and you will be banging your head on the wall... yet again after the game :mellow:
My WIFOM policy is to deal with it with an iron fist. Yes it may indeed be mafia framing you. But good mafias are also a master of anti psychology.
Also, I havn't voted for you yet ^^
I changed my plans. If you want to play WIFOM, We shall.
I'm not going to vote for you, so you can come up with a rebuttal like, "he accuses me yet you don't vote for me. Scummy" .
Do that. Please.. It will help me a lot.
Come suspicion! Cover my whole body.
So I won't get night killed.
So it will give me more time to do something nasty to the mafias.
Mafia will have to kill me eventually.
If they don't they'll regret it.
Tomorrow is the key to your victory mafia.
If you can get me lynched tomorrow, you might have a chance to win this.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 03:30
I think getting stuck in a small hole and having "rats" VERY SLOWLY eat there way though you in the dark, is more painful and horrifying.....this write-up sucked:no: If ATPG did this....he is running low on ideas:laugh4:
I actually thought most of these murders were well-written. Not pizza-quality, but very near it.
OMG he's defending the writing style, he must be guilty, vote: pizza.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 03:31
Vote: ATPG
You'll have to die at one point if this goes on.
Not a strong case but, its still worthy of a temporary vote
But Beefy, you did vote for me. Did you forget?
Beefy187
03-27-2010, 03:38
Yes.. Yes I did.
unvote: ATPG
Take that!! Where is your big gun now?
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 03:41
It's better. Now I have to convince Thermal Mercury that blatant bandwagoning, not a common strategy for me, and also likely to also get me lynched, is game-specific and not indicative of me being mafia (or not).
If we can get off of this WIFOM and actually discuss real suspects, we might not even waste the whole round!
I say if they put pizza in the writeup again, you lynch me tomorrow. Now we're talking extreme WIFOM. I can fight dirty too, mafia-holes. :laugh4:
White_eyes:D
03-27-2010, 03:43
I actually thought most of these murders were well-written. Not pizza-quality, but very near it.
OMG he's defending the writing style, he must be guilty, vote: pizza.Low on originality though for causing a slow death.....:juggle2:
I mean snaping-turtles? even vultures could cause a more painful death...:juggle2:
Beefy187
03-27-2010, 03:45
It's better. Now I have to convince Thermal Mercury that blatant bandwagoning, not a common strategy for me, and also likely to also get me lynched, is game-specific and not indicative of me being mafia (or not).
If we can get off of this WIFOM and actually discuss real suspects, we might not even waste the whole round!
I say if they put pizza in the writeup again, you lynch me tomorrow. Now we're talking extreme WIFOM. I can fight dirty too, mafia-holes. :laugh4:
I'm fine with that. I didn't feel like voting for you from the start (I even forgot about that vote)
I'm still watching you though. Closely... Oh yes.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 03:48
unvote, vote: shlin28
And yet more blatant wagonning. Though, shlinny shlin shlin does need to speak up.
Captain Blackadder
03-27-2010, 04:06
vote shlin
All aboard the bandwagon
Vote: Methos
Because Methos is similar to methane and methane is smelly and mafia smell of Italian food and cheese messes with your gut making you make smellies. Therefore, Methos = mafia.
So basically if pizza isn't in the write up pizza probably changed it accordingly as mafia, if pizza is in the write up we kill him as its his wish.
It would make me want to vote for you in either scenario...
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 05:30
I say if they put pizza in the writeup again, you lynch me tomorrow. Now we're talking extreme WIFOM. I can fight dirty too, mafia-holes.
Haha, but what will we do if there isn't pizza in the writeup tomorrow? Then obviously it was you saving yourself.
woad&fangs
03-27-2010, 06:15
vote: thermal mercury An analysis of the kill write-ups in a game with nothing but two mafia is nothing but a distraction. Plus you are going after an easy target (atpg) with shoddy evidence gussied up to look more important than it is.
The one thing worth mentioning about the write-up is that the whole "toes, than fat, than eyes, etc." thing does not seem like a purely GH addition. I'm not sure who's writing style it reminds me of, but it really sticks out for some reason in my mind.
Tincow is another person worth watching. He's cunning enough to hide behind his bandwagon vote as a mafioso. Actual pressure should be put on him soon to add something...anything to the conversation.
Askthepizzaguy
03-27-2010, 07:01
Haha, but what will we do if there isn't pizza in the writeup tomorrow? Then obviously it was you saving yourself.
PRECISELY!!!! :holmes:
Oh.
Wait.... :creep:
Vote: woad&fangs
He's another player with very few posts.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-27-2010, 10:23
Vote: Methos
Vote: shlin
He told me in a PM that he was mafia.
I trusted you! :bigcry:
With such a solid case against me, I guess I have no choice but to Vote: shlin28 now :embarassed:
PS: Fellow Mafioso X, take down Sasaki!
An analysis of the kill write-ups in a game with nothing but two mafia is nothing but a distraction. Plus you are going after an easy target (atpg) with shoddy evidence gussied up to look more important than it is.
I agree. Voting data is useful in games where we can get confirmations about the lynchee's guilt, but in a game such as this where the mafia have way more information than we do, the mafia are able to hide in the voting records with ease.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 15:52
I don't have teh count, but did shlin self vote when someone else was ahead? If so he needs to die.
Not o fan of thermals accusation either, quite scummy.
The current voting tally is as follows:
shlin28: 5 - Sasaki Kojiro, TinCow, Askthepizzaguy, Captain Blackadder, shlin28
Methos: 2 - Psychonaut, Ibn-Khaldun
Askthepizzaguy: 1 - Thermal Mercury
Thermal Mercury: 1 - woad&fangs
woad&fangs: 1 - Methos
Why so many votes on shlin28? Is there something I've missed again? >.<
vote: thermal mercury An analysis of the kill write-ups in a game with nothing but two mafia is nothing but a distraction. Plus you are going after an easy target (atpg) with shoddy evidence gussied up to look more important than it is.
People are more than capable of making there own decisions, from what sparse information we have (write ups aside) ATPG is the only player who has consistantly bandwagonned the person who ends up being lynched, sneaking in when a good reason to lynch the person has supposedly appeared.
People are more than capable of making there own decisions, from what sparse information we have (write ups aside) ATPG is the only player who has consistantly bandwagonned the person who ends up being lynched, sneaking in when a good reason to lynch the person has supposedly appeared.
I didn't like your reasoning when you accused me, I don't like your reasoning now. So Vote: Thermal Mercury.
I didn't like your reasoning when you accused me
I wonder why :rolleyes:
Why so many votes on shlin28? Is there something I've missed again? >.<
Because supposedly Shin pm'ed TinCow stating he was mafia. Why he would do that is my question. Seems rather stupid. Which brings the question of whether its legit, or Shin wants out of the game, or TinCow lied and Shin is playing along because he doesn't care. Either way, it looks like our best option is Unvote: Woad&Fangs; Vote: Shin.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 20:11
HOS:Methos
Which brings the question of whether its legit, or Shin wants out of the game, or TinCow lied and Shin is playing along because he doesn't care.
This is actually a plausible analysis though, Sasaki.
When I mulled over the thread thus far, I noticed a post from the host with the most that the mafia are able to kill two people each night regardless of whether one of the mafiosi is dead. It could be a clever ploy from TinCow and shlin28; TinCow reveals his partner as mafia thus endearing himself to town and ensuring he can slip under the radar a bit. This would correlate with various pieces of advice I have recieved via PM about TinCow, in the very least, and it's suspicious whichever way you look at it that he would make these claims of a PM conversation.
I'm getting major Admiral Ackbar feelings here though. :/
FoS: TinCow
Vote: Shlin28
Well if he is going to be as helpful as a chocolate teapot with self voting, it shows he is willing to die. It would be better than killing a townie who wants to actually play and track down the mafia. Also the self-vote was WIFOM for "I am a mafia".
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 20:47
TinCow voted shlin because I did, and made up a reason. Shlin realized that, and joked along with it. "with such a solid case against me" etc. That is obviously what happened. Methos suggests that it is either legit, or that tincow lied. In both cases he thinks it's best to vote shlin.
TinCow reveals his partner as mafia thus endearing himself to town and ensuring he can slip under the radar a bit.
This makes NO sense because mafia aren't revealed upon death, and his accusation was not at all serious. If you had "mulled over the thread" and "noticed a post from the host" that said the mafia still get two kills you would know that.
and it's suspicious whichever way you look at it that he would make these claims of a PM conversation.
You should be very familiar with townies faking a pm claim, beskar went all out with it in Shadow fort, TinCow is obvious not, there are even people accusing him of hiding behind joke votes
I'm getting major Admiral Ackbar feelings here though. :/
No you aren't, this is fake emotion.
You still aren't voting for anyone.
DIE MAFIA DIE
UNVOTE, VOTE:SECURA
TM's logic isn't completely horrible; in fact, I'd have thought ATPG would kind of appreciate it. It's maybe a little premature, but hey, we need something to talk about. If he weren't trying to apply it to the guy who insists he has to be lynched eventually anyway, then I'd be all for it. (As as aside, though, how DO we get to do that, hmm? If the mere suggestion is scummy? Do you want to set a date yourself, pizza? :D )
vote: Ibn-Khaldun for a few vaguely scummy posts and for avoiding bandwagons roughly as persistently as ATPG has ridden them.
Vote: Shlin28
Well if he is going to be as helpful as a chocolate teapot with self voting, it shows he is willing to die. It would be better than killing a townie who wants to actually play and track down the mafia. Also the self-vote was WIFOM for "I am a mafia".
And we all know those sneaky mafia go in for dangerous WIFOM every day of the week and twice on Sundays. You know better than that Beskar.
Double post; I'll use it to say I think Sasaki's reasoning on both Methos and Secura is pretty good. How much time left in the day?
You should be very familiar with townies faking a pm claim, beskar went all out with it in Shadow fort, TinCow is obvious not, there are even people accusing him of hiding behind joke votes
I didn't fake them. :cry: That really was a PM between me and atheotes.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 21:06
I do get the impression that Ibn has quieted a lot since he was almost lynched.
HOS:Methos
HOS? Hint of Suspicion?
This makes NO sense because mafia aren't revealed upon death, and his accusation was not at all serious. If you had "mulled over the thread" and "noticed a post from the host" that said the mafia still get two kills you would know that.
For someone who appears to pay attention to the thread, you seem to have failed to notice that some of the updates have stated, "and across town", implying that there are, or were, two mafia. We can also see a difference in how kills are done, so in a way, we are being told whether we lynched a mafia or not.
I'm rather embarrassed to say it, but I didn't realize Tincow was joking. :embarassed:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 21:19
Hand of suspicion :beam:
For someone who appears to pay attention to the thread, you seem to have failed to notice that some of the updates have stated, "and across town", implying that there are, or were, two mafia. We can also see a difference in how kills are done, so in a way, we are being told whether we lynched a mafia or not.
:stare:
Yes, there are two mafia in GH's games. But that doesn't mean we know when we've killed one, we never do, they can change how the kills are done if they want to.
I see you are defending Secura :book:
No you aren't, this is fake emotion.
Alright, seriously, how the Dickens can you tell what someone is thinking or feeling from a collection of pixels upon your screen? I have a feeling that there's some sort of trap here, you have no means to refute these feelings because you're thousands of miles away and not face-to-face. So please, do not cast aspersions on what I may or may not be feeling when you have absolutely no idea.
You still aren't voting for anyone.
Because I feel the bandwagon on Shlin is quite weak, in all honesty, and I don't have any inclinations as to where to vote. I'm not one to simply throw a vote on someone randomly without sufficient reasoning, I had thought that much would have become clear by now.
DIE MAFIA DIE
UNVOTE, VOTE:SECURA
And, exactly as happened in Departed Dethy, you're jumping the mark again. Congratulations on being wrong, again.
I can see it's going to take a considerable amount of time for people to get used to the fact that this is how I play.
White_eyes:D
03-27-2010, 21:44
Secura is too transparent as mafia it seems....:juggle2:
Secura is too transparent as mafia it seems....:juggle2:
If that is how you feel, then throw your vote away and place it on me, you can have some of the humble pie when it's done too.
White_eyes:D
03-27-2010, 21:52
No, I am in a better place now:saint:
No, I am in a better place now:saint:
But... there's a dance (provided by Dr. Elliot Reed) that comes along with the cake too. :<
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 22:01
Secura if you're town then you're going to continue to be scummy the whole game. Don't make illogical cases and avoid voting. It's a very useful style for mafia, how we would catch people if we couldn't vote them for making fake-looking cases?
I don't quite believe that you telling white_eyes he should vote was a ploy though, which it would have to be if you were mafia.
unvote:secura, vote:Ibn
Reading back on the thread, I suppose I have been a little 'useless' to the Town... Probably because my 'skill' at Mafia fluctuates between utterly useless and flashes (or dim sparks, depending on your view) of inspiration. Regardless, I think it would be fair for you guys to lynch me, but I promise I will continue to post once I am dead - probably producing some more useful posts as I would not have to think of a reason to vote a random person.
Don't make illogical cases and avoid voting.
Well, it seems as though everything that I notice in a previous round is swept beneath the rug the next and nobody mentions hide-nor-hair of it again; what I pointed out was probably the only thing I could gleam from recent happenings aside of a shlin28 bandwagon I don't really understand. I'm not really used to throwing votes around with no reasoning behind it.
Anyway, bearing this in mind, I'll change my suspicion-seeking finger into vote: TinCow instead.
White_eyes:D
03-27-2010, 22:10
Only those killed by the Mafia can do that, shlin.....otherwise your just a possible scum protecting your buddy and making WIFOM...:shrug: (sorry shlin:shame:)
Sasaki Kojiro
03-27-2010, 22:10
When did the pizza references in the writeups first appear? Was it after Ibn was almost lynched?
edit: no, nevermind :p
When did the pizza references in the writeups first appear? Was it after Ibn was almost lynched?
edit: no, nevermind :p
I think this night was the second night it happened, not sure when Ibn was up for lynch though.
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