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Unvote: Shin; Vote: Sasaki He's too.... I'm not even sure. :speechless:
Vote:Reenk Roink
You're being wayyyy too quiet, given your reputation for backtalking and snarky comments. :stare:
But... there's a dance (provided by Dr. Elliot Reed) that comes along with the cake too. :<
Ugh, Scrubs used to be good....
Ugh, Scrubs used to be good....
But the dance is from one of the very early episodes! :<
It better be. Scrubs really went downhill after the Third Season.
It better be. Scrubs really went downhill after the Third Season.
I beg to differ, only the last season was bad.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-27-2010, 23:57
And here we go again..
How many times to I have to say I am a townie? :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
03-28-2010, 00:17
If you say it just one more time, I'd be convinced.
Every game I secretly write down a number between one and ten, and if people insist they are innocent that number of times, that's ironclad proof of being such.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-28-2010, 00:18
If you say it just one more time, I'd be convinced.
Every game I secretly write down a number between one and ten, and if people insist they are innocent that number of times, that's ironclad proof of being such.
Ok, just for one more time. I am townie. :brood:
Askthepizzaguy
03-28-2010, 00:20
There, see? How can you possibly be guilty now?
It's impossible, isn't it? Amirite?
I am amazed at the amount of drama that can come from a bit of absurdity. I am beginning to see the appeal of Reenkishness.
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2010, 06:09
Sorry everyone, I was out for around 12 hours and quite literally just got back in. As I have no desire to do anything other than shower and sleep right now, voting will be extended for 12 hours.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-28-2010, 06:12
Cool...
unvote, vote:Subotan
Not feeling any of the current lynches so I'll pick another one out of the hat.
Unvote; Vote: Subotan
He organized the hit on Sonny.
Cool...
unvote, vote:Subotan
Not feeling any of the current lynches so I'll pick another one out of the hat.
"Damn, none of the current lynches are innocent enough for me to bandwagon"
He organized the hit on Sonny.
Who's Sonny?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-28-2010, 17:12
"Damn, none of the current lynches are innocent enough for me to bandwagon"
What does this mean? I don't think it makes sense.
Hm, looking back on it, it's not great English. My bad. :embarassed:
What I'm saying is, you're gathering all the information about who is acting scummy, identifying potential mafiosi, then discarding it and voting for somebody totally random. In addition to myself, you laid the first vote and started bandwagons upon Shlin, Secura and Ibn; and that's just this round. This scattergun approach isn't productive for us at all, as we end up accusing townies who then have to explain why your random vote is stupid, whilst the mafiosi either lurk their way to victory or hide behind wild accusations disguised as "debate".
Sasaki Kojiro
03-28-2010, 17:31
Hm, looking back on it, it's not great English. My bad. :embarassed:
What I'm saying is, you're gathering all the information about who is acting scummy, identifying potential mafiosi, then discarding it and voting for somebody totally random. In addition to myself, you laid the first vote and started bandwagons upon Shlin, Secura and Ibn; and that's just this round. This scattergun approach isn't productive for us at all, as we end up accusing townies who then have to explain why your random vote is stupid, whilst the mafiosi either lurk their way to victory or hide behind wild accusations disguised as "debate".
It's called looking for mafia. If I get a town enough feel for someone, I switch to someone else instead of pushing on and lynching them. The idea is that eventually I accuse a mafioso, or can narrow it down by process of elimination ;)
Vote: Renata
She is lurking and she is usually posting posts going "I think you are the mafia!" and she is not doing this.
Is that a leftover OMGUS from yesterday, or are you just skimming?
If you are looking, then it would be helpful if you could state "I do not think X is mafia because of Y", rather than just leaving it hanging. We have no idea whether you still have suspicions about any of the players you have accused, and as there are no pro-town roles, you have to play a game like this in out in the open.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-28-2010, 17:55
It's just a feeling though, liable to change. There's nothing solid in this game.
Who's Sonny?
A character from The Godfather films; he is the older brother of Al Pacino's character, and he is killed at a tolling booth by a rival mafia family.
I believe TinCow was just quoting from that. :3
Is that a leftover OMGUS from yesterday, or are you just skimming?
You voted me yesterday?
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2010, 18:09
Voting closed.
Stand by for the execution.
It's just a feeling though, liable to change. There's nothing solid in this game.
I guess, but still. :shrug:
A character from The Godfather films; he is the older brother of Al Pacino's character, and he is killed at a tolling booth by a rival mafia family.
I believe TinCow was just quoting from that. :3
Ah I see, I last saw that ages ago when I was little
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2010, 18:53
After five days of voting, the townies had begun to settle into their routine. Get up, normal morning actions, wait to get killed (or not), realize that they had been spared for today, continue on with life as usual, wait to be summoned to the Frontroom Square. Discuss, defend self, maybe accuse others, vote. Go back home, try to relax, sleep. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The usual motions-within-motions were even starting to show up during the voting periods. Someone would make an accusation early on in the day, that accusation would pick up steam and gain more votes, other bandwagons would appear, a bunch of votes would be thrown out in random directions, there would be a final effort to spare the initial target, but ultimately the initial target would go down. This was the case with probably three out of the five executions, maybe more. Including today.
One might even say that the entire execution process was becoming... well... boring. Oh, certainly this wasn't the case for the day's target, shlin28, who started babbling and gibbering about his innocence almost immediately after he started getting votes, but to everybody else, who was safe, nothing really seemed out of the ordinary.
Even when shlin28 made a pledge to the town that he would attend the rest of the executions in women's clothing if he was spared for the day, and, since that failed, would use his various contacts to put together a glorious carnival for the Frontroom sometime in the summer, the rest of the town just didn't seem to care. It was nothing more than business as usual for them, a sad indicator of everyone's psyche on Day 5 of the mafia assault.
Eventually, Chief of Police Lemur called an end to voting, declared shlin as the day's condemned, and dragged him to the execution platform. "shlin," he said, "Any last words before your sentence is carried out?"
"Nah," said shlin, "I think the town's made it pretty clear that they want me gone. I mean, they must be pretty convinced of my guilt if they're going to pass up a carnival complete with lions and candy and ferris wheels and the like in order for a chance to kill me."
"All right then," said Lemur, fishing a walkie-talkie out of his pocket. "Base, this is Robot Unicorn. Proceed to make dreams come true." Putting the walkie-talkie away, he addressed the full crowd again.
"For this execution," he said, "I've called in a little outside help. The local air field nearby has perfected a form of ultra-precision bombing, where they can neutralize a single target without destroying any of the landscape. I've agreed to let them use shlin as practice. This is what we call a 'mutually beneficial agreement'." As always, general apathy proceeded this statement, despite the gravity of what Lemur was saying.
There was about five minutes of silence, and then, little by little, they could see three black specks in the distance. They zoomed by overhead, the sound of their engines finally kicking in, and then everybody could see it. Another dark shape, heading straight down, directly for shlin's head. Everybody half-watched as the object - a regular anvil - made contact with shlin's head, creating the most beautiful sound in the world and killing shlin instantly. Still there was no reaction.
"Wait a sec..." Lemur muttered, spying another black shape coming straight down. "Aw, come on! They were only supposed to drop *one* anvil! One! Everybody clear out! Out of the way!!!"
Finally, realizing their lives were at stake, the villagers started to care and began jostling at each other for position. The exodus out of the Frontroom Square bordered on a stampede, but somehow everybody made it to safety. Everybody, that is, except for Cultured Drizzt fan, who was not quick enough and took the anvil right on the head.
Day 5 tally:
shlin28: 3 (ATPG, Blackadder, shlin) :skull:
Methos: 2 (Psychonaut, Ibn)
Thermal Mercury: 2 (woad, Joooray)
Subotan: 2 (Sasaki, TinCow)
ATPG: 1 (Thermal)
TinCow: 1 (Secura)
Ibn-Khaldun: 1 (Renata)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Methos)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Subotan)
Renata: 1 (Beskar)*
Abstained: 1 (Beefy)
Didn't vote: 4 (Drizzt, Kage, pever, Reenk)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (18)
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
Kagemusha
Subotan
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
Thermal Mercury
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Wrath of God:
Cultured Drizzt fan
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_eyes:D
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Sigurd
shlin28
White_eyes:D
03-28-2010, 18:57
Ah I see, I last saw that ages ago when I was littleHere is the your lynch write-up with Lemur acting as Michael Corleone:bow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6gq1iM4a10&feature=related Not 18+ stuff...I don't think, but I still think it's a little excessive, so I put spoilers on it:juggle2:
Who's Sonny?
Makes sense you wouldn't know, that's what his friends called him. To scum like you he was Santino (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000794/).
johnhughthom
03-28-2010, 19:49
A character from The Godfather films; he is the older brother of Al Pacino's character, and he is killed at a tolling booth by a rival mafia family.
I believe TinCow was just quoting from that. :3
That scene still makes me want to get up and punch Carlo in the face. Sonny was great.
You voted me yesterday?
No, I made a rather pointed comment at you, though.
No, I made a rather pointed comment at you, though.
It doesn't quite qualify as OMGUS voting then, IMO.
Askthepizzaguy
03-28-2010, 22:27
shlin28: 3 (ATPG, Blackadder, shlin) :skull:
I'm glad I was in bed for this one. Seeing this makes me want to go back to bed.
Also, I actually voted for Shlin28 anyway, my vote for Renata was illegal as I never unvoted. It was a ploy.
I am guessing GH knew that, hence the star next to the vote.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2010, 13:32
Yes, I meant to add an explanation to that in the post but evidently I forgot. In any case, since I'm lenient with my vote-tallying, I allowed your vote for Renata to stand because it wasn't endgame and it didn't affect the final results. However, this won't always be the case.
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 13:52
If you only allow votes to stand when they don't affect the tally, then you can be said to be as strict as someone who never allows invalid votes to stand, because the result is the same.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/hm.gif
Or is this some kind of anti-Pizzaguy logic puzzle with no solutio-DOES NOT COMPUTE. SELF DESTRUCT IN 5 4 3 2...
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2010, 14:01
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/matrix-neo.jpg
Because I choose to.
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 17:14
Ah, but I didn't even ask you why. Why would you answer a question I haven't asked yet?
Wait a minute....
How did you do that?
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2010, 17:16
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/matrix-neo.jpg
Because I choose to.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2010, 20:24
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. However, this was not to be the case for very long, as the mafioso once again started the engine of his white van.
*ding dong*
Secura opened the door with a puzzled look on her face. "Yes?" she asked.
"Meals on Wheels," the deliveryman said. "Here's your day's delivery, ma'am." He held out a couple of delicious-smelling prepackaged platters, one of which looked like something Italian inside. The expression he wore was perfectly legitimate, which only served to add to Secura's confusion. After nearly a week of door-to-door killings, he was getting pretty good at this.
"Thanks, but I never signed up for this program. I'm quite capable of fending for myself, food-wise, actually."
Now, of course, the deliveryman launched into his usual routine of there being a clerical mixup, so why not take advantage of the error. "Hmm, there must have been a clerical mixup," he said. "Why not take advantage of the error? I mean, this *is* your address and you *are* Secura, right?" He passed her an official-looking piece of paper.
Secura was wavering. "Well, I mean, it's definitely me, so I don't know how you guys got my name, but I definitely didn't sign up for this... is that Italian?" she said, eying one of the platters.
"Indeed it is," the deliveryman confirmed.
That was enough for Secura. "Well, who am I to pass up a free meal? Come on in, let's eat!" The deliveryman nodded, and, smirking, followed Secura in. "Italian first," she said. "Might as well satisfy my craving for it." She opened the platter to find a glorious heaping of pasta.
"Hmm, seems like everything's in order," she said, taking in the scent of her unexpected meal. "Do I provide my own cheese?"
"Ah, no," the deliveryman said, "my apologies. I forgot to include it earlier. I was in a rush for time, you see, so I just grabbed a block of it and hoofed it out." He stopped talking and set the block of Parmesan on the table.
"Unfortunately, I don't have a grater," said Secura. "Sorry to be such a pest, but do you have one of those as well?"
"As a matter of fact, I do," said the mafioso, whipping out the cheese grater and, before Secura could do anything, knocking her over the head with it. She crumbled to the floor, out cold.
The mafioso paused, unsure of what to do for the first time. He stopped, stared at the grater, stared at Secura, and stared at the grater again. "How in God's name am I supposed to kill anybody with a cheese grater?" he said out loud, and then stared at Secura again. He was truly and totally puzzled about where to go from here.
A couple of minutes passed, and the mafioso stood there, still without any ideas. Having nothing better to do, he sat down and started eating the pasta. It was pretty good, but he wasn't quite in the mood for carbs. It was still too early in the day. Getting up from the table, he walked around the kitchen, stepping around Secura, examining the artwork on her wall. Most of it was standard still lifes, nothing really standing out. There were apples on the windowsill. He started opening the cabinets at random, and then counting the number of seconds that elapsed between the oven clock changing minutes and his watch doing the same.
Finally, some movement. Secura was starting to stir. Panicked, the mafioso let instinct take over and just shoved the cheese grater in her mouth. Reaching into his bag, he grabbed the staple gun he had used before and attached her arms to the floor. "Sorry," he muttered before leaving. "If it's any consolation, I'll use a better weapon tomorrow."
A few lonely townspeople had gathered together in the Frontroom bar to drown their sorrows and talk about the glory days. It was only morning, but a few of them were already long into it. Depression, after all, is a great motivator for certain types of activity.
Aside from the emotional reasons of gathering together in a time of crisis, there was also a logical one: safety in numbers. So far, every single one of the mafioso's attacks had been on an isolated target. If the trend held, then all of the bar patrons would be safe. So there they sat, drinking the day away, knowing that their collective solitude would not be disturbed.
Suddenly, the doors burst open. "OH MY GOD IT'S A MAFIOSO RIDING A MAD COW AND CARRYING AN OLD WEST GUN!!!" the mafioso bellowed, firing said gun into the air a few times for added effect.
Everybody spit out their drink in surprise. More than a few people even soiled themselves in shock and fear. After a second though, everyone started running, bolting in every conceivable direction. The mafioso, though, was too concerned about theatrics for the moment to actually care about catching his prey... yet. He was still adding to the effect.
Finally, once the last few of them drew closer to the bar's exit, the mafioso stopped posturing and begun his chase. "HYAW, BESSIE!" he shouted, turning his cow towards the door. Slapping her side, Bessie began galloping towards the exit, her bell clanging just as the last of the patrons exited the bar. She kicked the door open again, and the mafioso and his, er, steed were out in the open air. He quickly scanned the roads, looking for people. The closest group was headed east, and he thus urged Bessie to go that way.
Bessie mooed.
The group, seeing this, picked up their speed, not wanting to be the mafioso's victim. "Come on!" one of them urged. "We can't let this happen!" But alas, it was not to be. One of the group, Beskar, tripped over a loose piece of gravel and was sent sprawling to the ground. As luck would have it, he landed awkwardly, twisting his ankle. Beskar wasn't doing any more running.
"Come on, people!" he yelled, pleading for help. "Don't leave me here!" The rest of the people in the group, feeling sick to their stomach, had to ignore his pleas for their own safety. It was a riff on the ageless adage: I don't have to outrun the mafioso riding the mad cow, I just have to outrun you.
Beskar felt a rope go around his person. The mafioso, adding insult to injury, had decided to lasso him. "Entirely unnecessary," he said as the mafioso and Bessie trotted by.
"Silence," the mafioso said, dismounting his cow. "Dinner is served, Bessie!" The mad cow mooed appreciatively and opened her maw wide.
Later that day, Chief of Police Lemur gathered everybody in the Frontroom Square in order to make an announcement.
"All right everyone," he said, "There have been two more kills today, both of them pretty weird. I think for everyone's sakes, both for our lives and the fact that we don't want to be subject to the whims of a clearly ridiculous organization, we should persist and kill the mafia quickly. Good luck!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (16)
Sasaki Kojiro
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
Kagemusha
Subotan
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
Thermal Mercury
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
TinCow
Reenk Roink
Wrath of God:
Cultured Drizzt fan
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_eyes:D
Secura
Beskar
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Sigurd
shlin28
Big mistake, mafiosi, big mistake.
At least now that myself and Beskar are dead, we're absolved of culpability and can still assist the town in taking you down.
White_eyes:D
03-29-2010, 20:41
I say Pizzaguy.....you?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2010, 20:47
I'm rather suspecting kage and pevergreen atm. vote:kage
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 20:52
If Generalhankerchief is writing these, and I think he is, then that makes pever and/or Kage more plausible.
And you can bet your mad-cow-ridden bovine that I'll be bandwagoning once again.
Vote: Kagemusha
I say Pizzaguy.....you?
I don't think myself and Beskar dying in the same night is merely coincidence.
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 21:02
:laugh4:
Lynch me. I want to see who would vote for me.
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy
Why do you think you both killed, then, Secura?
I'm going back to Ibn again.
vote: Ibn-Khaldun
Vote: Kagemusha
He has six fingers on his right hand. :stare:
:laugh4:
Lynch me. I want to see who would vote for me.
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy
You misunderstand, I'm not actually accusing you, I was quoting because it seemed as though White_Eyes was explicitly asking for my opinion.
I'm merely saying that I think Beskar and I were killed in the same night wasn't a coincidence but was intended. :3
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 21:32
Fair enough.
I will return to my mindless, blatant bandwagon on Kagemusha, led by my brilliant master Sasaki and his exceedingly handsome henchcow.
unvote, vote: Kagemusha
Why do you think you both killed, then, Secura?
I don't think there was a reason beyond the fact we're town and we need to be killed for mafia victory; I was more angling at the actual identities of people behind said kills.
Right. You were trying to imply something -- what?
Everyone came up with the imaginary partnership, especially as for whatever reason, probably if I got revealed as a townie when i died, would make Secura look innocence, hence the defending. The reason they killed the both of us is because of that.
OK, that makes some sense.
pevergreen
03-29-2010, 21:49
Not seeing how I am guilty looking.
May be because I don't have time to read the kills?
The way TC behaves just is too convenient to cover up as mafia. And I won't stand for it. So Vote: Tincow.
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 22:27
The way TC behaves just is too convenient to cover up as mafia. And I won't stand for it. So Vote: Tincow.
That bandwagoning making you a little nervous, eh Joooray?
You're on my watchlist, buddy. :brood:
I was going to vote for ATPG or Tincow
To make the vote serious (instead of irrelevant)
vote: tincow
Voting for someone who has voted for themselves is dire at any rate, ATPG can have his glory.
Askthepizzaguy
03-29-2010, 22:30
https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3649/1219945105145lp2.jpg
https://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3649/1219945105145lp2.jpg
https://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp130/aries777777/Scum1.png
I do hope it latches on. :laugh4:
Great, I get accused for jumping on every bandwagon, then I decide to make up my own mind and vote for somebody I find suspicious by own reasoning and again I'm getting accused. No fair. :mean:
Relax, Ser Joory (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ser_Jory)!
I can tell you from experience it happens, and I've been here alot less time than you. Seems that you've got to weather the storm, really. :>
Seems my name is good for a lot of variety of alterations. :laugh3:
Don't worry, it's okay to get under fire, I wouldn't play mafia if I couldn't handle it. I just wanted to point out the irony in the past accusations against me.
Great, I get accused for jumping on every bandwagon, then I decide to make up my own mind and vote for somebody I find suspicious by own reasoning and again I'm getting accused. No fair. :mean:
ATPG accusing you is nothing to worry about as he isn't backing it up with 6 trillion posts of writing this time.
Kagemusha
03-29-2010, 23:52
Vote: ATGP blatant bandwagoners need to die. I have hard time enough trying to understand what is going on in Shadow fort from my beach stool. I dont need to put energy in blatant bandwagon mafiosis in this game.And also didnt you know that each time bandwagon is successfull it makes her sad:
https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6351/kittencry.jpg
Reenk Roink
03-30-2010, 01:35
Vote: Atpg
This is getting to be a distraction... :rolleyes:
Beefy187
03-30-2010, 01:52
Vote: ATPG
Woo. Third on the wagon.
Beefy187
03-30-2010, 01:52
Unvote, Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
unvote, vote Kagemusha
Though I'm still waiting for ATPG to offer up a date on which we can lynch him.
Centurion1
03-30-2010, 02:08
Relax, Ser Joory!
i hate that guy i always strip him down and have him die like a coward, i let daveth keep his armor and blades though. at least he aint a punk.
oh and OOOOOooooooOOOOOooooOOOOOhhhhhhhhhh vote tincow........
i hate that guy i always strip him down and have him die like a coward, i let daveth keep his armor and blades though. at least he aint a punk.
And yet they both die and you get all their loot anyway... xD
Centurion1
03-30-2010, 02:13
And yet they both die and you get all their loot anyway... xD
i want him to die in shame at being in nothing but a loincloth for being such a pansy. i mean he just annoys me.
Reenk Roink
03-30-2010, 02:45
Unvote: Atpg
Vote: Subotan
I must make sure to set up the context and circumstances and opinion of the surviving players to be one favorable to my interests before I seriously attempt to look for Mafia.
i want him to die in shame at being in nothing but a loincloth for being such a pansy. i mean he just annoys the hell out of me.
Daveth is infinitely more annoying; what sort of self-proclaimed Rogue cannot open a locked chest or door?
That's not even counting the fact that he doesn't even have a single rank in the pickpocket skill; no wonder he was caught doing so by Duncan! >.<
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 04:52
:inquisitive:
Ok that was weird.
Vote: Thermal Mercury
=)
:cry:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 07:22
I'll kill ya! I promise you that tonight, either myself or my partner TinCow will utterly annihilate you, Methos! Die die die die die!!!!
Unvote: Atpg
Vote: Subotan
I must make sure to set up the context and circumstances and opinion of the surviving players to be one favorable to my interests before I seriously attempt to look for Mafia.
Oooh, a delayed OMGUS...
Vote:Reenk Roink
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 10:06
Are you all bandwagoners forgetting the curse? Ever since i won the first GH´s mafia. If mafia has killed poor old myself, their downfall of them has been pretty much immediate. So you turnipses are trying to lynch the only player in this game that has even slight "pro town" powers. Shame on you Sasaki, Tincow, ATGP and Renata.~D And your blatant wagon still makes her sad:
https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6351/kittencry.jpg
She's sad because you're not voting for Reenk Roink
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 10:51
Well im not voting Reenk, because so far the only players playing scummy have been the trio of Sasaki, Tincow and ATGP. But i know its a lost cause since it seems they can do pretty much anything in these games novadays without getting lynched. Im wondering why dont we just elect those three to play each game between themselves as representatives of the rest of the gameroomers?:juggle2:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 11:26
It's Askthepizzaguy, abbreviation ATPG.
Also: Whine whine whine. :laugh4:
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 11:32
It's Askthepizzaguy, abbreviation ATPG.
Also: Whine whine whine. :laugh4:
ATGP it is. :smash:Ofcourse i must apologize for questioning the divine judgement of the bandwagoning trio. Surely your scumminess should not be questioned.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 11:36
Please, Kargomushy, tell me how you defeat the mafia without bandwagoning. I'm all ears. :grin:
ATGP it is. :smash:Ofcourse i must apologize for questioning the divine judgement of the bandwagoning trio. Surely your scumminess should not be questioned.
One can notices that you haven't play here for a while. Nobody questions Atpg, normally he just gets investigated early on, then killed by the mafia if he is pro-town or by the town if he is anti-town. The fact that he still alive in both games is thus already somewhat suspicious. :grin: But it seems there has been an agreement to give him a break, after what has happened in Noblesse Obligied. :wink:
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 11:44
Please, Kargomushy, tell me how you defeat the mafia without bandwagoning. I'm all ears. :grin:
Well A trivial gay parade.:bandana: It is one thing to vote people and pressure them to talk. Another choosing random people for bandwagons, while no reasoning what so ever changes those wagons. That way these games just become a buddy parades, where those survive that have largest amount of buddies or followers that wont vote for them. So with this great system of yours we are left with few large mouth "politicians" that everyone is too afraid to vote and buddy teams that look for each other. To me such games are not worth playing.
One can notices that you haven't play here for a while. Nobody questions Atpg, normally he just gets investigated early on, then killed by the mafia if he is pro-town or by the town if he is anti-town. The fact that he still alive in both games is thus already somewhat suspicious. :grin: But it seems there has been an agreement to give him a break, after what has happened in Noblesse Obligied. :wink:
This just confirms what i said to pizza. In this new enviroment. There is no chance in hell that he could be lynched over me, no matter how he behaves. So il stick my vote to him and be gone after im lynched, so im not interfering this new way of playing these games.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 11:50
Well A trivial gay parade.:bandana: It is one thing to vote people and pressure them to talk. Another choosing random people for bandwagons, while no reasoning what so ever changes those wagons. That way these games just become a buddy parades, where those survive that have largest amount of buddies or followers that wont vote for them. So with this great system of yours we are left with few large mouth "politicians" that everyone is too afraid to vote and buddy teams that look for each other. To me such games are not worth playing.
What reasoning have you which exonerates anyone here? Also I don't see any shortage of people willing to vote for TinCow or Sasaki or myself. Did you see the tally? You have a picture of two whales kissing, your argument is invalid.
Tally:
Kage: Sasaki Kojiro, Askthepizzaguy, Tincow, Renata
TinCow: Joooray, Thermal
ATPG: Johnny Kage, Mentos
Sasaki: Beefy187
Subotan: Reenk
Thermal: Psycho
Reenk: Subotan
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 11:53
What reasoning have you which exonerates anyone here? Also I don't see any shortage of people willing to vote for TinCow or Sasaki or myself. Did you see the tally? You have a picture of two whales kissing, your argument is invalid.
Tally:
Kage: Sasaki Kojiro, Askthepizzaguy, Tincow, Renata
TinCow: Joooray, Thermal
ATPG: Johnny Kage, Mentos
Sasaki: Beefy187
Subotan: Reenk
Thermal: Psycho
Reenk: Subotan
There is nothing invalid about my reasoning. Just lets have a look at the end result when this day phase is over. Then after seeing that result you can say if my analysis is right or wrong. So dont draw judgement from ongoing vote. Its bit more logical to analyze the vote once its concluded. I have no problems proving my point with my death.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 11:58
I'm just saying I've been hounded for three rounds over a rather silly WIFOM in the writeups. If it were anyone else, those WIFOMs would have been ignored. It's a miracle I am still here, and the only reason why I am is because Beefy and Reenk changed their minds. I don't see how in any way I'm being treated special or playing the game in an unfair way. Secondly, I have never, ever, ever used this wagon strategy before this game and Shadow Fort. Since my first game I've been abhorrent of bandwagon votes. Your complaints don't make any sense to me, and I'm trying to listen with an open mind.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 12:04
I'm just saying I've been hounded for three rounds over a rather silly WIFOM in the writeups. If it were anyone else, those WIFOMs would have been ignored. It's a miracle I am still here, and the only reason why I am is because Beefy and Reenk changed their minds. I don't see how in any way I'm being treated special or playing the game in an unfair way. Secondly, I have never, ever, ever used this wagon strategy before this game and Shadow Fort. Since my first game I've been abhorrent of bandwagon votes. Your complaints don't make any sense to me, and I'm trying to listen with an open mind.
Then tell me if any other people then you, Tincow and Sasaki would have decided to use the strategy you are using. What would have been your own reaction? Would you be driving the case to lynch them? Would it seem scummy to you?Well if you cant see sense in my logic.Take a look at Joorays post. He seems to think that you should be given a break, because you had some misfortune in other game. That tells completely enough for me. Just relax and see the data once this round of voting is concluded
This just confirms what i said to pizza. In this new enviroment. There is no chance in hell that he could be lynched over me, no matter how he behaves. So il stick my vote to him and be gone after im lynched, so im not interfering this new way of playing these games.
Well my comment was meant a bit ironic. I think it is due to the special setup of this game, that there is little else to go with than bandwagon with maybe questionable reasoning. :shrug:
But a bit of a choice would be nice from time to time.
eidt: Also, he might be mafia, but that's as likely as with anybody else. If I was mafia in a game like this, I'd also let Atpg live as long as possible, as I could be sure he would draw attention to himself and away from me sooner or later.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 12:13
Well my comment was meant a bit ironic. I think it is due to the special setup of this game, that there is little else to go with than bandwagon with maybe questionable reasoning. :shrug:
But a bit of a choice would be nice from time to time.
I understand there was irony. But i wouldnt be even slightly amazed if that is indeed the mindset of some players. Just look at the vote renata throwed at me. Voting me, without any context while jokingly asking pizza when he should be lynched. But like i said before. Lets see how the vote will conclude as i dont have any problems proving my point with my own death. Its not a biggie.
I understand there was irony. But i wouldnt be even slightly amazed if that is indeed the mindset of some players. Just look at the vote renata throwed at me. Voting me, without any context while jokingly asking pizza when he should be lynched. But like i said before. Lets see how the vote will conclude as i dont have any problems proving my point with my own death. Its not a biggie.
I don't think Renata was joking. Atpg will have to go eventually, the town just grows more suspicious of him over time and won't let him live till the end. That's at least my prediction and that's the beauty of letting Atpg life when you are mafia. He is a late game lynch target, no matter if innocent, or not. :wink:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 12:27
I don't think Renata was joking. Atpg will have to go eventually, the town just grows more suspicious of him over time and won't let him live till the end. That's at least my prediction and that's the beauty of letting Atpg life when you are mafia. He is a late game lynch target, no matter if innocent, or not. :wink:
Absolutely. That is why I'm working my butt off to get murdered. Which means I just might not be... which means I just might have a lynch vote later on in the game, unless the mafia wins the game of chicken and you lynch me, which will absolutely happen because you guys are chicken. :laugh4:
Then tell me if any other people then you, Tincow and Sasaki would have decided to use the strategy you are using. What would have been your own reaction? Would you be driving the case to lynch them? Would it seem scummy to you?Well if you cant see sense in my logic.Take a look at Joorays post. He seems to think that you should be given a break, because you had some misfortune in other game. That tells completely enough for me. Just relax and see the data once this round of voting is concluded
Yak yak spoilered for the sanity of people reading this.
Yaseikhaan started the game by calling for the death of certain people, and I obliged. Reason was, if he's mafia, such a tactic will get him dead sooner. If he's townie, he's got a decent shot of hitting mafia or at the very least spooking them. Sasaki and TinCow didn't enter into it until Khaan died. And yeah, I decided to wagon people this game, I decided rather arbitrarily who to follow. Until recently I've never really ever been on the same page as Sasaki, and we've often had fundamental disagreements on how to play and what constitutes scummy. Khaan was actually a purely for fun choice because he claims he's a terrible townie. Well, if he hit a scumbag with my help, yay... maybe he will feel better about his townie-ness, or at least laugh about how absurd it was that someone actually died based on a silly point and wagon/destroy strategy.
What was my reaction to his bold leadership? I decided to follow. Which is significantly different from what I usually do, which is pick my own suspects and hope people follow me. This game has been tons of fun because I'm trying something different. What if I were mafia and someone had picked my partner? Wouldn't it have been very, very obvious that I wasn't bandwagoning my own partner, a change from other rounds? I'd end up being an immovable (without looking scummy) vote against my own team. And then me surviving the game is a nonexistent possibility, after my partner dies I'd be soon to follow. So it would have doomed my entire team. It's ridiculous for me to use this strategy as mafia, but no one has noticed that or factored that into their analysis. But then again no one truly understands me. As for Joooray thinking I should be given a break, all I've ever asked for is that I don't get Night One killed/investigated/roleblocked a dozen games in a row, which has been happening (and continued to happen, in Shadow Fort). That's all I ever asked for. That's all... vote me as you please. No cheese off my slice. I also said I didn't want to be treated with kid gloves, I said that explicitly. I can't control what Joooray does, though, or what he thinks. Frankly in this game I would have loved to have been murdered. It's a very strong tactic leaving me alive because then people, for some odd reason, analyze me like no one else, and I become the topic of discussion even when I am doing nothing but lazy, mindless bandwagoning all game long. I can't even have a normal game by playing like how other people do without being scrutinzed, but that's fine by me, whatever floats your boats.
In other games, especially in the past, I would have been very critical of bandwagoners. Well I've done that for over a year now, and it is getting stale. In a game with this simplistic setup, I believe there is a tactical advantage in creating a voting bloc the mafia alone cannot overcome. That way all our blunders will be town blunders. That last round with shlin, for example, was miserable. Shlin shouldn't have self-voted and we shouldn't have allowed it to stand at 3 votes to several with 2, but I think people weren't paying attention. I take it for granted that if people are going to try to have 2 or 3 votes put together every round that they should eventually die. Otherwise it becomes the easy strategy for the mafia to win the game. I'd expect that you wouldn't let me or Sasaki or Tincow actually survive after we take several shots at the mafia, but the underlying point of it all (speaking for myself only) is that the mafia would be dumb to try it because it will result in unavoidable death and it will invite criticism and it will piss people off. So what?
The point of the game is to analyze (that comes later, for me) to use strategy and tactics (I'm using a brand-new one for this game, for me) and to eventually win (as is my goal). But like I said, what reasoning have you for voting certain people? Other than the vague and highly likely to be wrong things like "I saw Pizza in the writeup, he must have did it to himself..." or "These sound like pevergreen and Kage's ideas for kills" we don't really have anything. And they are certainly very subjective, and quite possibly bad reasons. But, perhaps it is a long shot which may work... better than a random vote. A quick and subjective calculation of the odds tells me that Sasaki and TinCow are probably townies, and that this wagon strategy will annoy the mafia, and probably get either myself or them killed, which just adds extra credibility to either mine or their analysis in the endgame, where the mafia are the most vulnerable and exposed and the analysis is the most accurate.
That's my grand strategy, to get myself murdered and to prevent mafia control of the vote, or make it suicidal for the mafia to control it. Nothing fancy, and nothing I've ever tried before. That's as much thought as I've put into the game so far. IMO it is a simple and probably effective strategy. When I die, lynch or not, I will switch tactics to a more analytical style and do actual deep thinking. Until then, your fierce opposition to my chosen strategy this game means that there is a slight chance that I've rattled your cage and you want me lynched, but not murdered. As such, I think Sasaki's suggestion of your head was a good one. It's quite possibly wrong, this isn't an exact science.
pevergreen
03-30-2010, 12:36
Vote: ATPG
I should probably actually vote.
No one answered my question, and since it was mainly aimed at PAGT...
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 12:42
Vote: ATPG
I should probably actually vote.
No one answered my question, and since it was mainly aimed at PAGT...
You'll die tonight, Pevergreen. :mellow:
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 12:44
Absolutely. That is why I'm working my butt off to get murdered. Which means I just might not be... which means I just might have a lynch vote later on in the game, unless the mafia wins the game of chicken and you lynch me, which will absolutely happen because you guys are chicken. :laugh4:
Yak yak spoilered for the sanity of people reading this.
Yaseikhaan started the game by calling for the death of certain people, and I obliged. Reason was, if he's mafia, such a tactic will get him dead sooner. If he's townie, he's got a decent shot of hitting mafia or at the very least spooking them. Sasaki and TinCow didn't enter into it until Khaan died. And yeah, I decided to wagon people this game, I decided rather arbitrarily who to follow. Until recently I've never really ever been on the same page as Sasaki, and we've often had fundamental disagreements on how to play and what constitutes scummy. Khaan was actually a purely for fun choice because he claims he's a terrible townie. Well, if he hit a scumbag with my help, yay... maybe he will feel better about his townie-ness, or at least laugh about how absurd it was that someone actually died based on a silly point and wagon/destroy strategy.
What was my reaction to his bold leadership? I decided to follow. Which is significantly different from what I usually do, which is pick my own suspects and hope people follow me. This game has been tons of fun because I'm trying something different. What if I were mafia and someone had picked my partner? Wouldn't it have been very, very obvious that I wasn't bandwagoning my own partner, a change from other rounds? I'd end up being an immovable (without looking scummy) vote against my own team. And then me surviving the game is a nonexistent possibility, after my partner dies I'd be soon to follow. So it would have doomed my entire team. It's ridiculous for me to use this strategy as mafia, but no one has noticed that or factored that into their analysis. But then again no one truly understands me. As for Joooray thinking I should be given a break, all I've ever asked for is that I don't get Night One killed/investigated/roleblocked a dozen games in a row, which has been happening (and continued to happen, in Shadow Fort). That's all I ever asked for. That's all... vote me as you please. No cheese off my slice. I also said I didn't want to be treated with kid gloves, I said that explicitly. I can't control what Joooray does, though, or what he thinks. Frankly in this game I would have loved to have been murdered. It's a very strong tactic leaving me alive because then people, for some odd reason, analyze me like no one else, and I become the topic of discussion even when I am doing nothing but lazy, mindless bandwagoning all game long. I can't even have a normal game by playing like how other people do without being scrutinzed, but that's fine by me, whatever floats your boats.
In other games, especially in the past, I would have been very critical of bandwagoners. Well I've done that for over a year now, and it is getting stale. In a game with this simplistic setup, I believe there is a tactical advantage in creating a voting bloc the mafia alone cannot overcome. That way all our blunders will be town blunders. That last round with shlin, for example, was miserable. Shlin shouldn't have self-voted and we shouldn't have allowed it to stand at 3 votes to several with 2, but I think people weren't paying attention. I take it for granted that if people are going to try to have 2 or 3 votes put together every round that they should eventually die. Otherwise it becomes the easy strategy for the mafia to win the game. I'd expect that you wouldn't let me or Sasaki or Tincow actually survive after we take several shots at the mafia, but the underlying point of it all (speaking for myself only) is that the mafia would be dumb to try it because it will result in unavoidable death and it will invite criticism and it will piss people off. So what?
The point of the game is to analyze (that comes later, for me) to use strategy and tactics (I'm using a brand-new one for this game, for me) and to eventually win (as is my goal). But like I said, what reasoning have you for voting certain people? Other than the vague and highly likely to be wrong things like "I saw Pizza in the writeup, he must have did it to himself..." or "These sound like pevergreen and Kage's ideas for kills" we don't really have anything. And they are certainly very subjective, and quite possibly bad reasons. But, perhaps it is a long shot which may work... better than a random vote. A quick and subjective calculation of the odds tells me that Sasaki and TinCow are probably townies, and that this wagon strategy will annoy the mafia, and probably get either myself or them killed, which just adds extra credibility to either mine or their analysis in the endgame, where the mafia are the most vulnerable and exposed and the analysis is the most accurate.
That's my grand strategy, to get myself murdered and to prevent mafia control of the vote, or make it suicidal for the mafia to control it. Nothing fancy, and nothing I've ever tried before. That's as much thought as I've put into the game so far. IMO it is a simple and probably effective strategy. When I die, lynch or not, I will switch tactics to a more analytical style and do actual deep thinking. Until then, your fierce opposition to my chosen strategy this game means that there is a slight chance that I've rattled your cage and you want me lynched, but not murdered. As such, I think Sasaki's suggestion of your head was a good one. It's quite possibly wrong, this isn't an exact science.
To be honest i dont see anything in your reply that would change my opinion. Essentially by creating this so called voting block. You force mafia into lurking strategy, unless the mafia is Tincow, Sasaki or you.Which would mean that one or two of you is playing the others. So all this grand strategy does is that it places the power of the town in few hands and makes it easier for the mafia to hide in the crowd, since individual reasoning is not necessary for others under this so called "bold leadership". Its really simply just a bad tactics. Basically you just decide to flip a coin each day phase on behalf of the town, without asking for any kind of mandate for you guys to do that.
In my perspective that is a) harmfull for the town. b) harmfull for the game. So you three should be lynched and the rest should then have a opportunity to use their own brains.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 12:49
In my perspective that is a) harmfull for the town. b) harmfull for the game. So you three should be lynched and the rest should then have a opportunity to use their own brains.
What's stopping you from doing so now? Seriously, how is 3 votes holding up the whole game? Quite risible.
Also, how is attempting to vote for the mafia and prevent them from controling the vote bad tactics? It means if Sasaki chooses a scum, they've got a much better chance of ending up dead. I didn't see any reasons behind your assertions it was bad strategy. Also, you can't say it's harmful to the town, unless you know something we don't. This is speculation, not fact. We three should be lynched, and after that, the game is over, isn't it? Your suggestion to get the town back into the town's hands would doom the town, especially because I know for a fact at least 1/3 of those people aren't mafia, (and it would be really, really dumb if 2/3 of them were mafia) and I plan on voting for one of the other two soon enough.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 12:57
What's stopping you from doing so now? Seriously, how is 3 votes holding up the whole game? Quite risible.
Also, how is attempting to vote for the mafia and prevent them from controling the vote bad tactics? It means if Sasaki chooses a scum, they've got a much better chance of ending up dead. I didn't see any reasons behind your assertions it was bad strategy. Also, you can't say it's harmful to the town, unless you know something we don't. This is speculation, not fact. We three should be lynched, and after that, the game is over, isn't it? Your suggestion to get the town back into the town's hands would doom the town, especially because I know for a fact at least 1/3 of those people aren't mafia, (and it would be really, really dumb if 2/3 of them were mafia) and I plan on voting for one of the other two soon enough.
Again you are analyzing a un finished vote. What im talking about is general principle. Dont you understand that if someone else is controlling the vote. The only thing mafia has to do is to vote according to that vote and pick you guys up at certain points during nights. Your system gives nothing else to the town then giving a easy ride to the mafia. Mafia doesnt need to defend themselves in the thread and make possible mistakes, since it is not required under your voting block. I cant see it as anything else then attempt for the three of you to stay alive in coordination for the rest of the game. Which is very scummy to begin with. So lets just see how it will turn out in the end of the phase. I for one take very little pleasure playing this game, just so i cant use my own judgement, but rather give my own decisions to hands of others.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 13:11
Again you are analyzing a un finished vote.
Where did I analyze the vote in that post?
What im talking about is general principle. Dont you understand that if someone else is controlling the vote. The only thing mafia has to do is to vote according to that vote and pick you guys up at certain points during nights.
Not sure I follow.
Your system gives nothing else to the town then giving a easy ride to the mafia.
How?
Mafia doesnt need to defend themselves in the thread and make possible mistakes, since it is not required under your voting block.
Kage, in any game the mafia will get votes on them. It's not required that they defend themselves or make mistakes there, under someone else's spontaneous, one-round-only voting bloc either.
There's no difference from the mafia's perspective which 3, 4, or 5 people are voting for them. Doesn't matter if it is the ATPG, Sasaki, Tincow trio or the Kage, pever, Thermal trio, all that matters is that they get voted. How that person is selected makes no difference either... could it be tarot card readings, a roll of the dice, an OMGUS vote, or a thorough analysis, all that matters is they get voted.
I fail to see how different 3 people who vote together is from 3 people who don't always vote together, but did during one round. It means nothing to the mafia, and the result is the same.
I cant see it as anything else then attempt for the three of you to stay alive in coordination for the rest of the game.
That's not a likely way of accomplishing that. I'm a vote away from being lynched and many haven't voted yet. It also makes people, such as yourself, openly oppose and call for the heads of all three people involved. Nothing like running up to a wasp's nest and hitting it with a brick to get the wasps to not sting you.... it is just asking for trouble.
Which is very scummy to begin with.
Define "scummy". :laugh4:
Since everyone and everything can be defined in all circumstances as potentially scummy, I chalk this word up to "I have no substantive argument, but I'll add this word to make it sound like I am serious".
So lets just see how it will turn out in the end of the phase. I for one take very little pleasure playing this game, just so i cant use my own judgement
Who is forcing you to play this way? No one. Are you playing this way? No. Did the bandwagon trio ever, at any time, control a significant fraction of the votes? Not really.
I am baffled by how others are playing the game is impacting your own ability to play. I am not getting it.
but rather give my own decisions to hands of others.
The decision is mine every round to follow or take my own course. I was considering it until Sasaki voted for you. I might have gone for pevergreen instead, but I saw that I might have the votes on you this round if there were no other real candidates or objections. Never has free will been removed from the game. I see your objections to the style, I see that you think it is bad strategy. I don't understand why, but it is not necessary for me to. I do not understand how it is impacting your game experience at all, that seems to be an exaggeration or (since you're quite skilled at these games, I understand) a way of illiciting sympathy for your cause, and a rallying cry to destroy the evil bandwagoners. But taking you at face value, all I see is a difference of opinion but no substance behind it.
Anyways. I can see we will talk in circles, and as it seems either my head will roll, or yours, or some dark horse candidate, I shake hands :shakehands: and wish you luck, and P.S. I am not mafia. :bow:
Captain Blackadder
03-30-2010, 13:16
Vote Kagemusha
What are the chances that atpg would be scum in both large games.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2010, 13:24
fos:captain blackadder
unvote, vote:pevergreen
Kage seems ok as far as I can tell, which makes pevergreen better
unvote; vote: pevergreen
He speaks Hovitos.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 13:38
And the wagon keeps rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'!!!
unvote, vote: pevergreen
Ibn-Khaldun
03-30-2010, 13:39
Vote: Tincow
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 13:43
Where did I analyze the vote in that post?
Not sure I follow.
How?
Kage, in any game the mafia will get votes on them. It's not required that they defend themselves or make mistakes there, under someone else's spontaneous, one-round-only voting bloc either.
There's no difference from the mafia's perspective which 3, 4, or 5 people are voting for them. Doesn't matter if it is the ATPG, Sasaki, Tincow trio or the Kage, pever, Thermal trio, all that matters is that they get voted. How that person is selected makes no difference either... could it be tarot card readings, a roll of the dice, an OMGUS vote, or a thorough analysis, all that matters is they get voted.
I fail to see how different 3 people who vote together is from 3 people who don't always vote together, but did during one round. It means nothing to the mafia, and the result is the same.
That's not a likely way of accomplishing that. I'm a vote away from being lynched and many haven't voted yet. It also makes people, such as yourself, openly oppose and call for the heads of all three people involved. Nothing like running up to a wasp's nest and hitting it with a brick to get the wasps to not sting you.... it is just asking for trouble.
Define "scummy". :laugh4:
Since everyone and everything can be defined in all circumstances as potentially scummy, I chalk this word up to "I have no substantive argument, but I'll add this word to make it sound like I am serious".
Who is forcing you to play this way? No one. Are you playing this way? No. Did the bandwagon trio ever, at any time, control a significant fraction of the votes? Not really.
I am baffled by how others are playing the game is impacting your own ability to play. I am not getting it.
The decision is mine every round to follow or take my own course. I was considering it until Sasaki voted for you. I might have gone for pevergreen instead, but I saw that I might have the votes on you this round if there were no other real candidates or objections. Never has free will been removed from the game. I see your objections to the style, I see that you think it is bad strategy. I don't understand why, but it is not necessary for me to. I do not understand how it is impacting your game experience at all, that seems to be an exaggeration or (since you're quite skilled at these games, I understand) a way of illiciting sympathy for your cause, and a rallying cry to destroy the evil bandwagoners. But taking you at face value, all I see is a difference of opinion but no substance behind it.
Anyways. I can see we will talk in circles, and as it seems either my head will roll, or yours, or some dark horse candidate, I shake hands :shakehands: and wish you luck, and P.S. I am not mafia. :bow:
Ofcourse these are matters of opinion.As no one knows for certain the real scum expect themselves. And i agree to disagree with you on the strategy. This is all both of us can do. The others can decide who´s points seem more logical. Still the only larger thing in this game which is out of the ordinary is the change of tactics of your trio and untill i see anything more suspicious i will do my best to get you people lynched. P.S I am not mafia either.:bow:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 13:44
Then you might notice I've just placed my head a lot closer to the chopping block. P-ever only has 3 votes, you had more.
Here is your chance. If I am mafia, this is your opportunity to finish me.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 13:45
Unvote and vote: Tincow
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 13:47
Puts TinCow into the lead.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 13:50
Puts TinCow into the lead.
Yes it does. I am doing exactly what i told you i would.:yes:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 13:56
I would weep at the loss of my beloved friend. What did TinCow ever do to you, besides threaten you with death?
Actually, what is interesting now is that if TinCow wants to save himself, he might choose to vote for me. You clever, clever devil.
Tally:
TinCow: 4 (Joooray, Thermal, Ibn, Kage)
pevergreen: 3 (Sasaki, TinCow, ATPG)
Kage: 2 (Renata, Blackadder)
ATPG: 2 (Mentos, Peverguy)
Sasaki: 1 (Beefy187)
Subotan: 1 (Reenk)
Thermal: 1 (Psycho)
Reenk: 1 (Subotan)
Reenk Roink
03-30-2010, 14:31
Unvote: Subotan
Vote: TinCow
Kage and pever must live because they are better than most others.
Oooh, a delayed OMGUS...
I didn't see it initially because I don't read the thread before voting (only skim it after). I voted you as soon as I saw though, doing the right thing. :pleased:
Vote Kagemusha
What are the chances that atpg would be scum in both large games.
:laugh4: Infallible logic....
Unvote: Subotan
Vote: TinCow
Nail is starting to sink into the koffin.
I didn't see it initially because I don't read the thread before voting (only skim it after). I voted you as soon as I saw though, doing the right thing. :pleased:
Us noble bodyguards have to stick together :beam:
Unvote: Reenk Roink; Vote PEVERGREEN
Choo choo
Us noble bodyguards have to stick together :beam:
Unvote: Reenk Roink; Vote PEVERGREEN
Choo choo
Hey don't be a rebel, if you hang around with the bullies, they'll make you do all the dirty work, you'll get the blame for it all!
unvote, vote pevergreen
I need the logic module removed from my head, please. It makes me too easy to manipulate.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 18:40
unvote, vote pevergreen
I need the logic module removed from my head, please. It makes me too easy to manipulate.
And may i ask what reasons you have to switch your vote from me to pever? What is the rationale behind it?
You complaining? :)
ATPG buttonholed me earlier and made a couple of arguments for pever over Tincow. First, that TinCow's "strategy" is too likely to get him lynched to be a likely mafia tactic. Second, that pever's typical playstyle isn't really conducive to late-game issues, regardless of his alignment. Third ... I can't remember if there was a third. Anyway, it made sense. It was very logical. Which is why I say I'm too easy to manipulate. You'd think eventually I'd learn, but no.
Finally, because my vote on you was doing no good, and the day is winding down, and I'm here. May as well make a choice among the two options available.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 18:53
You complaining? :)
ATPG buttonholed me earlier and made a couple of arguments for pever over Tincow. First, that TinCow's "strategy" is too likely to get him lynched to be a likely mafia tactic. Second, that pever's typical playstyle isn't really conducive to late-game issues, regardless of his alignment. Third ... I can't remember if there was a third. Anyway, it made sense. It was very logical. Which is why I say I'm too easy to manipulate. You'd think eventually I'd learn, but no.
Finally, because my vote on you was doing no good, and the day is winding down, and I'm here. May as well make a choice among the two options available.
So basically you are trying to protect Tincow by voting pevergreen? And why do you see it important that your vote will be decisive for a lynch? Why the bloodlust?
I knew I had good reason to suspect you, Kage. That's not what I said at all, especially the second point, which is incredibly over the top and pointless from any town standpoint.
For the first point, why not ask ATPG about it, who requested it in the first place? Because I'm an easier target?
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 19:03
I knew I had good reason to suspect you, Kage. That's not what I said at all, especially the second point, which is incredibly over the top and pointless from any town standpoint.
For the first point, why not ask ATPG about it, who requested it in the first place? Because I'm an easier target?
You lost me there now. I asked you questions. Why arent you answering, but accusing me of something i cant quite comprehend?I wasnt making any statements. As you must have witnessed already we had quite the talk today with pizza. So are you saying that i should ask pizza about your resoning for your vote?
Because your questions were akin to "have you stopped beating your wife". Seriously, bloodlust? What mechanic is there in this game that would make that comment make sense? It doesn't. It was designed purely to antagonize and make me look bad.
The first one's not quite as horrible, but you're directing it at the wrong person, which makes me wonder why. See, Kage, the *real* questions there, the ones you would ask if you didn't have an agenda, would be along the lines of:
"ATPG, why'd you try to get Renata to save TinCow? Why is TinCow worth saving to you?"
and, "Renata, how can anyone be sure you're not just using ATPG's suggestion as an excuse to do what you wanted to do anyway?"
But no, you went for the over-the-top and the mis-leading and the mis-directed instead. I finally said something you could pounce on, eh?
He waits for that sort of thing... :3
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 19:28
Because your questions were akin to "have you stopped beating your wife". Seriously, bloodlust? What mechanic is there in this game that would make that comment make sense? It doesn't. It was designed purely to antagonize and make me look bad.
The first one's not quite as horrible, but you're directing it at the wrong person, which makes me wonder why. See, Kage, the *real* questions there, the ones you would ask if you didn't have an agenda, would be along the lines of:
"ATPG, why'd you try to get Renata to save TinCow? Why is TinCow worth saving to you?"
and, "Renata, how can anyone be sure you're not just using ATPG's suggestion as an excuse to do what you wanted to do anyway?"
But no, you went for the over-the-top and the mis-leading and the mis-directed instead. I finally said something you could pounce on, eh?
Im sorry if i used too colourful words. It is just my style to speak. It is not as if doing something scummy in mafia game would be a huge offense to ones person in real life. But thank you. I think i now know why you changed your vote, which was my reason all along to engage in this conversation. One thing though is strange. If my words made you more confident to think i must be suspicious.Why arent you voting me now?
woad&fangs
03-30-2010, 19:31
vote: tincow He needs to provide something more than bandwagoning to survive.
Im sorry if i used too colourful words. It is just my style to speak. It is not as if doing something scummy in mafia game would be a huge offense to ones person in real life. But thank you. I think i now know why you changed your vote, which was my reason all along to engage in this conversation. One thing though is strange. If my words made you more confident to think i must be suspicious.Why arent you voting me now?
I can promise you I will be tomorrow. :D
For a more direct answer to a question I'm still not thinking was very genuine (there's two hours or something left, Kage -- the choice has moved beyond you whether I like it or not) -- because it's pointless to leave a vote on someone who's not going to be lynched when you are around to weigh in on the two options who may be.
woad&fangs
03-30-2010, 19:41
unvote: tincow; vote abstain
I just realized that I broke the tie between pever and tc with my previous vote. I want to give TC a chance to actually contribute, rather than lynching him immediately. Plus pevergreen is ticking my scumdar for some reason.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 19:53
I can promise you I will be tomorrow. :D
For a more direct answer to a question I'm still not thinking was very genuine (there's two hours or something left, Kage -- the choice has moved beyond you whether I like it or not) -- because it's pointless to leave a vote on someone who's not going to be lynched when you are around to weigh in on the two options who may be.
So you assume my questions are not genuine?Hhmm..I smell paranoia. Which smells like mafia. For me it is enough to know that it was ATPG who suggested you your voting target.
That ain't paranoia, Kagemusha, that's me in hunting mode. Someone killed me off in Shadow Fort and right afterwards you perk up my interest in this game with an ill-advised smudge? Lock and load, baby, lock and load.
W&F, isn't breaking a tie generally a good thing? If you're going to unvote Tincow, why not switch to pever instead of abstaining?
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 20:15
That ain't paranoia, Kagemusha, that's me in hunting mode. Someone killed me off in Shadow Fort and right afterwards you perk up my interest in this game with an ill-advised smudge? Lock and load, baby, lock and load.
If im creating activity.Then i consider my task fullfilled. :)
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2010, 20:26
Voting closed.
Looks like there's going to be a tie, but let me take a tally and confirm that. Stand by.
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2010, 20:44
Tie vote between TinCow and pevergreen. You guys know the drill. See you in 24 hours.
Day 6 tally:
TinCow: 5 (Joooray, Thermal, Ibn, Kage, Reenk)
pevergreen: 5 (Sasaki, TinCow, ATPG, Subotan, Renata)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Methos, pever)
Kagemusha: 1 (Blackadder)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Beefy)
Thermal Mercury: 1 (Psychonaut)
Abstained: 1 (woad&fangs)
Didn't vote: Nobody! :medievalcheers:
Ibn-Khaldun
03-30-2010, 20:45
Vote: Tincow
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 20:47
Vote: Tincow. It is quite strange how suddenly when Tincow´s head entered the chopping block the whole trio of Tincow,Sasaki and ATPG fell silent.
Another pointless smudge. Just how many mafia do you think there are?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2010, 21:08
Vote:pevergreen
Pever is lurking and had a late wagon that tried to save him from lynch. TinCow will be more active and less bandwagony after shadow fort is over (he said when he signed up he only had time for one game) and actually provides useful analysis, unlike pever.
pevergreen has no reason to lurk; he's dead in Shadow Fort, so should be more active in this game.
Bear in mind that he's in a vastly different time-zone than the rest of us, though. :3
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 21:32
Another pointless smudge. Just how many mafia do you think there are?
You are taking things way too seriously madam. I was merely trying to get their attention.
Vote: pevergreen
pevergreen was in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden he looked down, and saw a tortoise. It crawled toward him. He reached down and flipped the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lay on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it couldn't, not without pevergreen's help. But he was not helping. Why weren't you helping pevergreen?
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 21:38
pevergreen has no reason to lurk; he's dead in Shadow Fort, so should be more active in this game.
Bear in mind that he's in a vastly different time-zone than the rest of us, though. :3
He hasnt probably even got out from bed yet. Isnt it very early morning in Australia?So being awake when everybody else is sleeping and vice versa hardly can be counted as lurking. On the other hand we have here Tincow who is posting total gibberish and contributing absolutely nothing. The decision is quite obvious.
You complaining? :)
ATPG buttonholed me earlier and made a couple of arguments for pever over Tincow. First, that TinCow's "strategy" is too likely to get him lynched to be a likely mafia tactic. Second, that pever's typical playstyle isn't really conducive to late-game issues, regardless of his alignment. Third ... I can't remember if there was a third. Anyway, it made sense. It was very logical. Which is why I say I'm too easy to manipulate. You'd think eventually I'd learn, but no.
Finally, because my vote on you was doing no good, and the day is winding down, and I'm here. May as well make a choice among the two options available.
It seems that a lot of people are playing risky OMG HE CANNOT BE MAFIA strategies, well I think that's nonsense, he knows he can pull it off, and would you look, all the controversial players are still alive, risky strategies are by no means exclusive to town.
Your 2nd point basically condemns pevergreen for acting normal, and thats all you have, at least have the gall to call it a bandwagonning vote. :juggle2:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2010, 21:42
What it means kage, is that pever will never post enough for us to even guess at whether he is mafia. TinCow will. So the math is simple.
Having lurkers alive in endgame is terrible.
It seems that a lot of people are playing risky OMG HE CANNOT BE MAFIA strategies, well I think that's nonsense, he knows he can pull it off, and would you look, all the controversial players are still alive, risky strategies are by no means exclusive to town.
Controversial players don't get killed by the mafia.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 21:44
What it means kage, is that pever will never post enough for us to even guess at whether he is mafia. TinCow will. So the math is simple.
Having lurkers alive in endgame is terrible.
Well having people alive just because who they are is just as bad. In matter of fact im quite sure pevergreen has talked more in this thread today compared to Tincow. So your point is simply put shallow.
Vote:pevergreen
Pever is lurking and had a late wagon that tried to save him from lynch. TinCow will be more active and less bandwagony after shadow fort is over (he said when he signed up he only had time for one game) and actually provides useful analysis, unlike pever.
What good is his absent useful analysis when the most we can get out of him is flipping over tortoises?
What good is his absent useful analysis when the most we can get out of him is flipping over tortoises?
They’re just questions, Thermal Mercury. In answer to your query, they’re written down for me. It’s a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind. About your mother.
Controversial players don't get killed by the mafia.
I'm well aware of this because town is more likely to lynch them, which is why a controversial player being a mafia aligned player is the most dangerous. Mafia aren't going to kill players such as ATPG, yet there continual scummy behavior will lead to a wasted lynch if hes innocent.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 21:49
They’re just questions, Thermal Mercury. In answer to your query, they’re written down for me. It’s a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind. About your mother.
So while you are too busy to play the game you have the time to do psychonalysis from people? Off with your head i say.:smash:
They’re just questions, Thermal Mercury. In answer to your query, they’re written down for me. It’s a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind. About your mother.
Don't start going philosophical on me. :tongue:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2010, 21:51
I'm well aware of this because town is more likely to lynch them, which is why a controversial player being a mafia aligned player is the most dangerous. Mafia aren't going to kill players such as ATPG, yet there continual scummy behavior will lead to a wasted lynch if hes innocent.
Oh, I though you were suggesting we lynch Tincow. But yes, I agree, controversial play needs to stop at some point.
Oh, I though you were suggesting we lynch Tincow. But yes, I agree, controversial play needs to stop at some point.
Well out of two, I do choose Tincow
vote: Tincow
The cases on Pevergreen are lousy. And its 3-2 to tincow, So I'll even it out.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2010, 21:57
But you just said that "the town is more likely to lynch [the controversial players]...will lead to a wasted lynch if he's innocent".
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 22:51
The cases on Pevergreen are lousy.
You, Thermal, are a total scumbag in this game. I cast my vote against pevergreen, with great malice.
Vote: pevergreen
And you're next, buddy.
But you just said that "the town is more likely to lynch [the controversial players]...will lead to a wasted lynch if he's innocent".
Yes, if hes innocent, I was assuming intially that mafia wouldn't be beyond this tactic either and still maintain that thought.
@ ATPG
Ok then, what case on Pevergreen is so great? So original? So much more compelling than the bandwagoning tortoise flipping motherly thought provoking Tincow? :thinking:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 23:10
Yes, if hes innocent, I was assuming intially that mafia wouldn't be beyond this tactic either and still maintain that thought.
@ ATPG
Ok then, what case on Pevergreen is so great? So original? So much more compelling than the bandwagoning tortoise flipping motherly thought provoking Tincow? :thinking:
1. pevergreen will lurk and lurk and lurk. This style is terrible for catching mafia, but excellent for surviving as one.
2. The sadistic and intentional wifom I've had to deal with for three rounds is characteristic of pevergreen's true feelings for me. I suspect he'd be cruel enough to inflict it on me.
3. If I were mafia I'd just kill pevergreen without making an elaborate wifom about it. He on the other hand would, for shiggles.
4. He's voted for me, and I know I'm innocent. Thus, removing a bad vote from the game is good. Reenk Roink taught me that.
5. As Sasaki said, he won't put any analysis into the game at the end of it, whereas TinCow will.
6. Simply put, you've got to kill the lurkers before the endgame, or town loses.
Gah to the tie-breaking. I'm making a stand. :knight:
Vote: ATPG
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 23:27
Gah to the tie-breaking. I'm making a stand. :knight:
Vote: ATPG
Its between Tincow and pevergreen.In any other circumstances pizza would be a fine option.:book:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 23:29
Its between Tincow and pevergreen.In any other circumstances pizza would be a fine option.:book:
Then YOU should have voted for me when it would have put me in the lead.
You've betrayed your true feelings for me. You think I'm just hunky-dory, don't you? Or perhaps, just hunky. And you'd be right on both counts.
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 23:34
Then YOU should have voted for me when it would have put me in the lead.
You've betrayed your true feelings for me. You think I'm just hunky-dory, don't you? Or perhaps, just hunky. And you'd be right on both counts.
You just wait for your turn.~:wave:
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 23:35
You just wait for your turn.~:wave:
My turn could have been this phase if you had pressed it. No one forced you to move on TinCow.
If you thought I was guilty, you should have kept your votes on me.
You think I'm just hunky-dory, don't you? Or perhaps, just hunky. And you'd be right on both counts.
Less hunky, more dory. :wink2:
https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8456/dory.jpg
Kagemusha
03-30-2010, 23:41
My turn could have been this phase if you had pressed it. No one forced you to move on TinCow.
If you thought I was guilty, you should have kept your votes on me.
Like i said earlier its your trio im after and voting Tincow was more practical. Eliminating your chances to pull of further wagon stunts.
Askthepizzaguy
03-30-2010, 23:41
:whip: Less jokey, more serious votey.
You have a chance to pick between two potential scumbags. I urge you to flip a coin if you don't care, or make your best guess. Otherwise what's the point of playing?
2. The sadistic and intentional wifom I've had to deal with for three rounds is characteristic of pevergreen's true feelings for me. I suspect he'd be cruel enough to inflict it on me.
Ah yes, that was the third point. But I don't know pevergreen well enough to cast a vote based on it.
It seems that a lot of people are playing risky OMG HE CANNOT BE MAFIA strategies, well I think that's nonsense, he knows he can pull it off, and would you look, all the controversial players are still alive, risky strategies are by no means exclusive to town.
Your 2nd point basically condemns pevergreen for acting normal, and thats all you have, at least have the gall to call it a bandwagonning vote. :juggle2:
No, I don't think so. I've bandwagoned before, but this wasn't that. This was making a rational choice between the two options open to me.
Reenk Roink
03-31-2010, 01:23
Vote: TinCow awww yeah
pevergreen
03-31-2010, 06:45
All righty then.
Me and TC. Bit of a dilema. On one hand I know I'm not mafia, on the other, based on what you guys are saying, I'm the better lynch.
There was a time, long ago, when I'd sit about 5th in number of posts in thread. This has changed. I left school, started a job, quit the job (last month) and then started getting edumacated (22nd of this month)
As to why less activity:
I've been gaming a lot. MW2, DoW2:CR and now EU 3 again. So that takes up 80% of time while at home.
While at college: Internet useage is 80mb PER WEEK. I have to research and stuff with that, so from 6:30am in the morning (when i have to get up) to usually 7pm (when i finish dinner) don't expect me to be on.
Plus thats all GMT+10 (No DST)
Have I been posting less than usual? Yes. Is this consistant everywhere? Yes.
Secondly, I'm getting a bit sick of mafia. People at CFC should be able to see that. Some people in Shadow Fort should know as well. Well, maybe not them, but still.
Thirdly (and I'm not factoring this in, and neither should you) RL. Issues. Been having them for quite a while, and will keep having them. If you know what you're looking for its easy to spot.
So, taking the first two points into consideration, but completely leaving out analysis of myself (you can't analysis yourself, and it should be a well known fact I've never been able to analyse) I don't think it looks like I'm mafia.
Have I put enough time in to get my weird scum feeling I sometimes get? No.
(random thought I had, will jot it down before I forget it: if the WIFOM comes up that I didnt break the tie because blah blah blah, round ended at like 5 30 am.)
For the fun of it, I'm going to read all of my posts in the thread.
15 posts, in a thread of 919.
No excuses there, thats just downright shameful, so before I go any further:
Vote: pevergreen
As a general note, its now beyond funny to me, it just :furious3: annoys the :furious3: out of me now. Keep it up and I don't stay. Simple as that. Not the gameroom, the org in general. The accidents I don't mind.
Sign up post
Vote on Csargo, no reason, apart from me still not liking it compared to Ichigo
Bad joke
Joke vote on Shlin
explanation of it was a joke
saying i won't remove the vote cause he took it too hard
half attempt to get TinCow's vote
saying reenk is busy
voting sasaki
voting sigurd (tie break?)
joke about when beefy was in australia
as above
response to ATPG saying i'm framing him
saying i havent read the kills (I don't most of the time...)
voting ATPG, i think because he mispelt someones name.
So apart from low activity, which I can rectify, the things against me are :TinCow anaylses better. This is true. I'm framing ATPG. Incorrect.
My kills have never been written well...I don't have writing skills. Take a look at any game I've hosted and read the story. Its shocking...
Anyway, this is probably the longest post I've written in a mafia game.
@Reenk: switch your vote.
:bow:
Askthepizzaguy
03-31-2010, 11:41
Sounds an awful lot like a bad choice between two townies now.
Beefy187
03-31-2010, 11:59
*Poke
Ehehee!!:antlers:
Kagemusha
03-31-2010, 12:08
It would seem its 6 to 5 for lynching pever. So pever do you really want to exit the game or not?
pevergreen
03-31-2010, 12:15
It would seem its 6 to 5 for lynching pever. So pever do you really want to exit the game or not?
Theres no proof that either of us are mafia. So, we either assume one of us is, in which case its 50/50 shot, or neither.
In any situation, lynching me is the best outcome for the town. If we're both innocent, TC is a better player, therefore he should live.
Kagemusha
03-31-2010, 12:32
Theres no proof that either of us are mafia. So, we either assume one of us is, in which case its 50/50 shot, or neither.
In any situation, lynching me is the best outcome for the town. If we're both innocent, TC is a better player, therefore he should live.
As you wish. From the two of you i think Tincow has acted far more scummy. But i respect your wishes. Unvote and Vote: pevergreen
pevergreen
03-31-2010, 12:33
As you wish. From the two of you i think Tincow has acted far more scummy. But i respect your wishes. Unvote and Vote: pevergreen
By all means, if you think he is more likely to be mafia, vote for him, but I won't be removing my vote from myself.
Kagemusha
03-31-2010, 12:36
By all means, if you think he is more likely to be mafia, vote for him, but I won't be removing my vote from myself.
In that case. unvote and vote: Tincow and i would urge for you to do the same. As Tincow really has been playing a scummy game and the voting block created by him and Sasaki is trying to wrest the power off from towns hands.
Askthepizzaguy
03-31-2010, 12:38
I feel I deserve due credit for helping form the Three Musketeers. Don't forget the Pizza!
Kagemusha
03-31-2010, 12:42
I feel I deserve due credit for helping form the Three Musketeers. Don't forget the Pizza!
Dont worry i have not forget your pizzaness.~;)
I don't think pever is mafia, so why vote for him?! I don't have any idea about TC, so Vote: TinCow.
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2010, 20:44
Voting closed.
Stand by for the execution.
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2010, 20:48
...and voting is still deadlocked. Therefore, we will continue voting until the tie is broken. Those who have already voted are free to switch, but once one person has more votes than the other then voting is done.
Unvote; Vote: TinCow
I have no desire to help people who don't know what the Voight-Kampff Test is. Replicants, the lot of you.
Ibn-Khaldun
03-31-2010, 21:04
What is Voight-Kampff Test?
What is Voight-Kampff Test?
:stare:
This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126877-Mafia-IX-Triumph-of-the-Mafia&p=2460089&viewfull=1#post2460089), this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126877-Mafia-IX-Triumph-of-the-Mafia&p=2460103&viewfull=1#post2460103), and this (http://pkdick.com/voight-kampff-machine.html).
Seriously? No one got the Blade Runner reference? Shall I assume the Hovitos post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126877-Mafia-IX-Triumph-of-the-Mafia&p=2459760&viewfull=1#post2459760) was lost on everyone as well?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2010, 21:14
Is Blade Runner the first one or the sequel? Or the tv series, but some don't consider that to be Blade because it doesn't have Wesley Snipes.
Kagemusha
03-31-2010, 21:15
In matter of fact it was a test created by mighty but now fallen.:toff:: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?1633-Voigtkampf
On more serious note.Damn we have lost many good members along the way.:shame:
Vote: Tincow for voting for himself!
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2010, 21:22
Writeup coming. :laugh4:
'Twas a far, far better thing you did ...'
Nah, who am I kidding. Don't wander off now, TC, you hear?
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2010, 21:48
It was a very odd scene in the Frontroom indeed on the evening of the 6th day of voting. The early part of the day was its usual chaotic self, with several votes being thrown around in multiple different directions. As always though, eventually two clear favorites were established: TinCow and pevergreen. And so the usual posturing and politicking began.
When the day ended, though, Chief of Police Lemur informed everybody that the vote was tied between the two and thus the proceedings were not over. So, the ritual began anew, with the town starkly divided between the two candidates. One of the main divisions seemed to be that there was a solid voting bloc beginning to form that included TinCow, and that for the good of the town it needed to be broken up. However, this was countered by statements saying that voting blocs were needed to overcome the mafia and forcibly lynch them.
All of a sudden, though, the day shifted to the realm of the weird when pevergreen took the stand and made a passionate case... for his own lynching. He argued fervently that he was the better candidate for the lynch and that the town would be best served if he was no longer around. Naturally, this puzzled some townies, so much so that pever's case probably didn't have the desired effect. Indeed, when Lemur closed voting the second time, there was still a tie.
"Oh, for Pete's sake," said TinCow, taking matters into his own hands. "pever's lying, *I'm* the better lynch candidate. Therefore, I'll take it upon myself to cast the deciding vote!"
Everybody watched in awe as the clearly insane TinCow ran up to the execution platform and began pouring oil all over his body.
"There will be no tomb for TinCow," he began muttering. "No long, slow sleep of death embalmed. I shall burn, like the heathen kings of old. Bring wood and oil!"
"Uh, TinCow, we already have both," Lemur said, clearly pointing out the wood and oil.
"Silence!" TinCow commanded. "You are ruining the moment! Such is the doom of man!" Now fully drenched in oil, he struck a match. Instantly engulfed in flames, he ran off screaming, all the way to the edge of the Frontroom Courtyard where he dropped 1,000 feet to the ground below as the forces of Mordor were continuing their assault where he finally burned out, leaving the rest of the Frontroom to scratch their heads, wondering what on Earth had just happened.
Day 6a tally:
TinCow: 7 (Ibn, Kage, Thermal, Reenk, Methos, Joooray, TinCow) :skull:
pevergreen: 5 (Renata, Sasaki, ATPG, Subotan, pever)
Abstained: 2 (Psychonaut, Beefy)
Didn't vote: 2 (Blackadder, woad)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (15)
Sasaki Kojiro
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
Kagemusha
Subotan
Captain Blackadder
Joooray
pevergreen
Renata
Thermal Mercury
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
Wrath of God:
Cultured Drizzt fan
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_eyes:D
Secura
Beskar
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Sigurd
shlin28
TinCow
It is now Night 7! Orders due tomorrow at 17:00 US Eastern.
Silly town. Go now and die in what way seems best to you.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2010, 00:43
Now I feel like a big piece of chicken poop for trying to avoid death.
Mafia, if you have any sense of decency, you will allow me to join my friend TinCow in the afterlife. I'll be in the middle of main street with a blindfold, on my knees, listening to Queen on my headphones. I won't even see you coming and I'll be glad you did it.
pevergreen
04-01-2010, 00:56
lulwat.
That was something fun to come onto.
:smiley:
It looks like pevergreen is the mafia, I'm voting for you tomorrow, I suggest you all do the same.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2010, 03:07
Why does it look like pevergreen is the mafia?
Why does it look like pevergreen is the mafia?
It was actually a ploy so that the mafia wouldn't kill him at night, but with a second thought whoever they kill is going to be innocent, me and my silly thoughts...
pevergreen
04-01-2010, 03:28
It was actually a ploy so that the mafia wouldn't kill him at night, but with a second thought whoever they kill is going to be innocent, me and my silly thoughts...
:laugh4:
Like the title of the second episode of Lano and Woodly says, "Tonight you die!"
GeneralHankerchief
04-01-2010, 22:04
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. The white van had pulled up to yet another house, picking another target.
*ding dong*
Joooray opened the door, staring at the mafioso.
"Mafioso," the mafioso said simply, trying a different tactic. "I'm here to bludgeon you to death with a rolling pin and then flatten you."
"Okay, come on in," Joooray said, obviously taking some time to process what had just been said to him. "Kitchen's on the lef-wait, what?" That was as far as he was able to get, as the mafioso, true to his word, had taken out a rolling pin and started beating Joooray with it.
"Hey! Ow! Quit it!" Joooray screamed in protest, trying to back away from the mafioso but never quite succeeding. Desperate to gain some distance, Joooray searched around the room for something, anything, that could be used in self-defense. The best thing he came up with was a flowerpot. "Better than nothing," he muttered, still taking a vicious beating from the rolling pin. He gripped the pot and chucked it at the mafioso, who had to pause and break the incoming pot apart with his rolling pin.
This diversion provided Joooray all the separation he needed, as he sprinted upstairs and out of sight. The mafioso, deciding that a slow and deliberate pursuit was more psychologically prudent in this situation, slowly made his way up the stairs, calling out for Joooray. "Come out, come out, wherever you are," he said, in one of the single-most tired cliches in existence. "You can't hide from my rolling pin!" he said, his voice rising. "It only stops beating you once you're dead, and you ain't dead yet! Do not deprive the rolling pin of justice, Joooray!"
Finally, something snapped. Joooray leaped into view from seemingly nowhere and tackled the mafioso. Together the two of them tumbled down the stairs, Joooray landing on top. After delivering one solid punch to the jaw, Joooray scrambled to get up and ran out the door, in the direction of the mafioso's van.
"Think I'll drive this right up to the police station!" he called out gloatingly, for the mafioso had no chance of catching up to him. "Surely Lemur will be able to find something in there that points to you! Have fun getting your neck measured!" he cried, turning the key and jamming the gas pedal, speeding out of sight.
The mafioso calmly took a detonator out of his pocket and pressed the button. He could hear the explosion and see a brief flash of light. Strolling up the street a couple houses, he came upon the ruins of his van and Joooray, mortally wounded but still alive, sprawled out on the ground, coughing and panting.
Kneeling on the ground, the mafioso wordlessly proceeded to hit Joooray with the rolling pin until he finally expired.
Later in the day, pevergreen had decided to visit the Frontroom zoo. The animals still seemed to be well cared-for despite the rapid drop in the town's human population, and for this pever was glad. An animal lover at heart, pever hated to see suffering of any kind. Indeed, the various animal noises soothed him. The majestic roar of the lion, the thunderous growl of the bear, the incessant call of the howler monkey, the somewhat demented-sounding "moo" of the cow...
...waitaminute, that last part can't be right, thought pever. There were obviously no cows at the zoo. pever put it out of his mind as he kept walking. He was at the elephant exhibit now, marveling at the sheer power that was their trunks, the prehistoric wonder of their ivory tusks, their somewhat demented mooing sound...
...there it was again. Now officially disturbed, pever began walking at a brisk pace not coincidentally towards the zoo's exit. He thought he was home free, but passing through the bird exhibit, he heard a distinctly un-avian moo. This is when pever decided to abandon all shreds of dignity and flat-out ran for the exit.
He didn't get very far though. A dart of some kind had pierced his neck. pever stopped and reached up to pull it out, but before he did he crumpled to the ground. Struggling to get a good look at his predator before he lost consciousness, he saw a man in a cowboy hat riding a clearly mad cow. The man looked down and regarded pever with curiosity.
"You know, the signs all say not to feed the animals. However, they only apply in the actual exhibits. You, my friend, are on the zoo's main path and thus fair game. Dinner is served, Bessie!"
The last thing pever heard before losing consciousness for good was a very appreciative "moo".
Later that day, Chief of Police Lemur gathered the remaining villagers in the Frontroom Square in order to make an announcement.
"All right everyone," he began, "Look, the mafia have been here for a week and we still haven't gotten rid of them yet. Their influence is clearly felt. Nobody trusts one another anymore and our numbers are almost in the single digits. For everyone's sake, start getting this right!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still alive: (13)
Sasaki Kojiro
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Methos
Kagemusha
Subotan
Captain Blackadder
Renata
Thermal Mercury
Ibn-Khaldun
woad&fangs
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
Wrath of God:
Cultured Drizzt fan
Killed:
Crazed Rabbit
Andres
atheotes
Double A
Centurion1
Csargo
Winston Hughes
johnhughthom
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_eyes:D
Secura
Beskar
Joooray
pevergreen
Executed:
Diamondeye
Chaotix
Yaseikhaan
Sigurd
shlin28
TinCow
Voting will close at 17:00 US Eastern, although I may not be around then due to a train ride that day (I'm going home for Easter). If that's the case, keep voting until I expressly close it.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2010, 22:06
vote: Methos
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2010, 22:08
Vote:Woad&fangs
We are almost at the point in the game where rereading becomes necessary. But I haven't liked woad's posts so far.
vote Kagemusha
There might be a chance one of my actual suspects gets lynched today. Yippee!
On reflection,
unvote, vote Methos
No point spreading votes out quite that far this early.
That's just great. :mean:
That's just great. :mean:
Death doesn't stop you contributing to the town's progress though, Ser Joory. :3
Yeah, I know, but I like being alive. Anyway, I doubt I'll be able to contribute much, I will however try to keep up with the thread. At least, I'm cleared of suspicions this way.
Askthepizzaguy
04-01-2010, 23:16
Yeah, I know, but I like being alive. Anyway, I doubt I'll be able to contribute much, I will however try to keep up with the thread. At least, I'm cleared of suspicions this way.
Who do you suspect, Joooray?
I'm sorry to say that I haven't formed any particular suspicions on anybody so far. But if I have the time, I'll see what I can dig up.
I'm at a loss of who to vote for.
Haven't seen beefy post in a while...
:whip:
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 02:00
So vote him, Thermal.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 02:03
I don't necessarily think beefy should go down, but it would be better if we avoided bandwagons (now) and took a position on who should be lynched. That's the only way we will get any information. Thanks, Thermal.
pevergreen
04-02-2010, 02:16
When the game is over, I want the reasoning for the kill of me...it doesn't make any sense to me...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-02-2010, 02:19
People who vote themselves into a tie are probably innocent.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 02:28
Leaving the most suspicious people alive allows you to blend in. Case in point.
Leaving the most suspicious people alive allows you to blend in. Case in point.
Yes, quite simply, its good townies that will be struck off first in theory, were just the ones that can't shut up and manage to constantly rank up votes... :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-02-2010, 02:54
Let's get a little wagon on woad and fangs :yes:
Yes, quite simply, its good townies that will be struck off first in theory, were just the ones that can't shut up and manage to constantly rank up votes... :laugh4:
They killed me and I think I'm one of those people who never shut the fudge up... :P
Let's get a little wagon on woad and fangs :yes:
He picked on me a few rounds ago but what would your reason be? :beam:
@ Secura
Well people just seem to enjoy killing you, rather tragically, god knows that they do with your body. :shifty:
Well people just seem to enjoy killing you, rather tragically, god knows that they do with your body. :shifty:
I was hoping that it was simply some late "Welcome to the Org!" party from the Gameroom, but it might end up being a trend that stays. ¬_¬
pevergreen
04-02-2010, 03:27
People who vote themselves into a tie are probably innocent.
If I was mafia (it'll happen again some day) I would have done the exact same thing.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 03:37
Let's get a little wagon on woad and fangs :yes:
I've fallen off of the wagon, Sasaki.
@ Secura
Well people just seem to enjoy killing you, rather tragically, god knows that they do with your body. :shifty:
Secure it?
Secure it?
I'm a sad panda now.
woad&fangs
04-02-2010, 06:15
blerg, I desperately need more time to reread everyone's posts. I've basically been reading through the new posts in a day, then voting and disappearing until the next day phase. I admit this isn't the most helpful thing to the town. vote: subotan because he has been really quiet... I think.
Sasaki, would you mind saying why you find me scummy?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-02-2010, 06:18
Your name jumped out at me when I looked at the list of the living. It's a proven technique.
You are quite scummy though.
I've never liked people who vote for themselves, so Vote: ATPG.
Kagemusha
04-02-2010, 07:00
I would look very carfully to Beefy and Psychonaut they were both hanging in the thread, while psycho made a "wrong" vote and beefy didnt even vote. So vote: beefy
GeneralHankerchief
04-02-2010, 07:42
Kills are now up in the summary thread and post #951 of this thread.
Sleepy time for GH. :flybye:
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 08:32
I've never liked people who vote for themselves, so Vote: ATPG.
Sure, because two innocent people didn't already vote for themselves this game. :laugh4:
Nice OMGUS by the way. Feeling a little silly you didn't kill me last night?
Captain Blackadder
04-02-2010, 09:04
I was hoping that it was simply some late "Welcome to the Org!" party from the Gameroom, but it might end up being a trend that stays. ¬_¬
I don't think so it mafia happens in patterns for ages I was never mafia then suddenly I was mafia in around 5 games close in a row it just happens
Vote woad and fangs
Keep forgeting to vote in this game so I will put this vote on then go back and look to see what i can discern.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 10:30
As William Riker would say, in ST:TNG The Best of Both Worlds Part I, "it's time for the long pants."
There's only 12 hours remaining and I wanted to keep my reasoning private in case the mafia eliminates a suspect for me, like they did with Joooray. I'm going "all-in" on Methos. Here's my reasoning.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=ti5JFj5hAFzAys8vsruTFfQ&hl=en
Final Votes:
Sasaki, Khaan, Khaan, Sigurd, Sasaki, ATPG, Tincow, ATPG
Analysis:
After a meatball vote on Sasaki, he went after Khaan for the pointless bandwagoning until he died. Which Khaan continued until he did die. What does that tell you? A two-man team hates anyone who gets a bunch of wagon votes on random suspects. That's hells dangerous for the mafia. It was quite obvious that Khaan was innocent, otherwise he wouldn't have kept doing that until he died so early.
Then, he offs Sigurd. I believe Sigurd was innocent... just playing the odds. Reason is, is because that was a tied vote between Sigurd and Ibn. The mafia wouldn't allow their partner to die in a tied vote. Any tied vote basically guarantees a townie death.
Then, he goes after Sasaki.... basically, the same reason as he went after Khaan. Because Sasaki was leading a dangerous trio of bandwagoners, which is potentially death for the mafia. Killing Sasaki only proves him innocent and therefore makes him dangerous in the endgame where he can analyze things. Methos wouldn't know that, but his partner would, most likely. *see next post*
Then, he goes after me. When I'm innocent, that's usually a scum tell. He was probably responsible for framing me, too. I went after him in several games in a row, so he probably wanted to get me lynched because he or his partner thinks I'm dangerous. I know I'm innocent, so that's a bad vote. It was also around the same time I was under heavy pressure, so any vote on me would look absolutely natural and innocent. If you're going to frame Pizzaguy, follow up on that with a vote.
Votes for TinCow, because TinCow is more dangerous than pevergreen. We all know that, pevergreen admitted as much. He's an excellent analyst, IMO.
pevergreen dies the next night because his suicide vote proves him innocent.
Then, he OMGUS votes me after I (probably) correctly ID him as scum.
There are other suspects, but after a careful analysis of the game so far, certain pairs are unlikely to be mafia.
Take Ibn-Khaldun for example. He was in a tied vote with Sigurd that one round, and several people who are still alive voted for him for that tie. There is zero benefit in trying to lynch your partner when it is perfectly stealthy and safe not to.
Those people who voted for Ibn-Khaldun, if Ibn were mafia, aren't Ibn's partner, and vice-versa. Only one of the two could probably be guilty. That's not 100% and I know Reenk will argue about epistemology somewhere in here, but most people do not think like Reenk. There's no incentive to put a death vote on your partner in this game as a bluff, because if someone vote-switches, you have to vote-switch to save them.
You haven't convinced anyone that either you or they aren't guilty, you've made yourself look scummy, and you've also probably removed your voting partner. What if you couldn't make it to the computer? Wouldn't it be obvious when there's 2 missing murders or the round gets extended? You don't death vote your partner early in this game.
Now, it is possible. You have to pretend like you're no one's partner, so you cannot obviously save your partner anymore. So that doesn't work late-game.
There's a small chance it is a bad assumption, but in a game like this, I bet about 95% of my analysis on the fact that mafia won't self-vote so early.
I place a 90% bet that they won't start a bandwagon on their own partner EARLY in a round, when there's a maximum of 1 or 2 votes on someone. If someone bandwagons on your choice, and this has been a bandwagon-y game, then you will look like total scum by removing your vote. What's wrong, something happen during the round which clears your main suspect of guilt? I don't think so.
Based on that, and a lot of painstaking analysis that I won't reveal YET, I've determined that the player who is most likely to be mafia, given the fact that he's got a lot of people who could be his partner due to his and their voting patterns, and the fact that he's been so strongly against Khaan, TinCow, myself (bandwagon people) and Sigurd (analysis person) tells me he's nervous about us... massive run-on-sentence... is Methos.
I wanted to wait until next round for my big wager. Unfortunately I don't think that's a good idea when there's obviously NO DIRECTION this round and people aren't voting to reveal their intentions. As such, I request that you either lynch me immediately, or lynch Methos.
I bet my head he's guilty.
Vote Methos, please.
[...] in case the mafia eliminates a suspect for me, like they did with Joooray.
Man, I'm kinda happy I died before becoming an object of an Atpg case. :laugh3:
And I'm also happy I put up a good fight. Very nice write-up, though I wonder why I lived in such a remote area that nobody was alerted by this explosion. Well at least I took the mafia van with me. :2thumbsup:
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 13:06
Let's get a little wagon on woad and fangs :yes:
I predict that Sasaki will kill me for voting his friend Methos.
I'd like to revise the above. Check out Sasaki and Methos' antics at the end of the shlin28 lynch day. Hand of suspicion on Methos? Sure, but not like you'd actually try to kill him.
Methos votes for Sasaki before the deadline when it is clear that Sasaki won't actually be lynched for it.
Captain Blackadder
04-02-2010, 13:07
unvote woad and fangs
Vote White Eyes
ATPG analysis looks good to me even if he was wrong in Shadow Fort. ;)
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 13:12
Shadow fort was filled with all kinds of unnecessary, distracting *ugh* information.
Here, you can just watch who acts like a scum and kill them.
Askthepizzaguy
04-02-2010, 13:33
unvote woad and fangs
Vote White Eyes
ATPG analysis looks good to me even if he was wrong in Shadow Fort. ;)
You just voted for a dead guy, btw.
Captain Blackadder
04-02-2010, 13:40
I dont know where I am today
unvote White Eyes
Vote Methos
Beefy187
04-02-2010, 14:16
Uni started and first few weeks is going to be hell in terms of time availability
Yesterday: I got back at 8. I had to sleep early, so I made quick posts in thread and went to sleep.
Today: I left home at 7 (Woke up at 5:30).. Had to prepare and leave so I didn't have time to post in the morning.
Got back home passed 9 PM (1 hour ago) And leaving in few minutes.
I'm off to Tokyo again tomorrow to check my new house as I have a day off.
But I should have time tomorrow.
No internet on the 4th and 5th.
This is all on Japanese time.
Vote: Beefy
For now. Soon as I get back from shower, I will read through the posts and post again.
Sorry for being inactive.
pevergreen
04-02-2010, 14:25
Vote: Beefy
Pointless vote, attempting to look innocent.
Kojiro187 is my guess for the mafia team.
woad&fangs
04-02-2010, 14:36
unvote: subotan ; vote: methos
ATPG's case is way better than mine.
Beefy187
04-02-2010, 14:36
Pointless vote, attempting to look innocent.
Kojiro187 is my guess for the mafia team.
If the day phase ends while I'm taking a shower, then someone inactive is going to die.
If not. I'll be back and will make a vote after I read all the posts
Beefy187
04-02-2010, 14:53
Okay here is what Beefy has been up to this game (Not a lot)
My theme of play in Shadow Fort and Mafia was "Acting" like a townie.
I didn't follow my usual townie pattern, nor did I try to blend in the crowd like my usual mafia.
I played boarder line innocent/ scummy and I've had reasonable success in this game
Day 1, I followed Khaans incredibly random bandwagon. So I can get some scum scent on me.
I also had the feeling that Khaan was innocent for doing it and maybe Diamondeyes is guilty.
Then I turned on him just incase his trying to be a ballsey mafia. If his townie, he can still contribute.
After that, I've been swimming under the radar. Though missing out on votes was accidental except the one on the previous round.
pever Tincow tie. They both looked innocent to me for the reason I cannot quite put in logical wording.
I've been suspicious of Pizza since our little battle on thread. But pizza assured me that his analysis is coming up and I agreed not to turn on him until later rounds.
My top suspects is Woads and Thermal. But then again, both of them always looks scummy to me. Then pizza. I say the mafia is one or two of them.
So I'll be voting for them if I survive.
Vote: Methos for this round to support pizzas analysis.
But they'll be the ones I'll vote for in the next round.
Sure, because two innocent people didn't already vote for themselves this game. :laugh4:
Nice OMGUS by the way. Feeling a little silly you didn't kill me last night?
Apparently you have a short memory, as I voted for you yesterday too. Besides, if I was mafia, I'd have killed you the first night. Speaking of that, didn't I do that before? ..... The butler game, I believe.
So that's how you play the game. You make up 'analysis' and promote your argument in such a way that it sounds good and then everyone else follows you, since it 'makes sense'. What I find hilarious is that when your analysis is wrong, no one does anything about it.
After you all lynch me, I would suggest everyone lynch Pizza. If I was mafia, I wouldn't have allowed ATPG to live this long.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-02-2010, 15:53
What did I Hos methos for?
He is certainly scummy, especially with those "if I was mafia, I would have...". I have his baseline as pretty high on the scummy though. Ibn is a good suspect, but I don't see why you discount W&F.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-02-2010, 16:02
Vote: Methos
woad&fangs
04-02-2010, 16:03
Methos' last post reeks of scumminess to me. I am very happy with my vote this round.
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